Topic: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.

[georgiapeach]

I'm not the creator of the thread, though.

Figure out what you want it to say and either ask rice o r I will do it, okay?

[claude_24hrs]

Peach, the first Wiki editor in TAR in Wikipedia articles was MattTM. He wrote the first six TAR seasons in 2004.

[G.B.]

I'm not the creator of the thread, though.

Figure out what you want it to say and either ask rice o r I will do it, okay?

Perhaps "TAR on Wikipedia and RFF Wiki Discussion"? Sweet and simple.

[G.B.]

RIP nice-looking results tables on Wikipedia.

(RFF will forever be superior)

[Maanca]

RIP nice-looking results tables on Wikipedia.

(RFF will forever be superior)

I saw it, it's hideous now. It was never a problem before, but someone came in and suddenly changed all the season pages citing a WP style policy on colored tables. First we can't use national flags anymore and now this 

Thank goodness for RFF Wiki, indeed (and Fandom)

[georgiapeach]

Link? Wow...that is so sad but thankful to each of you keeping RFF so positive.

FWIW, why no flags? I LOVE country flags and have loved when they were a clue on TAR.

Hmmm. How can we help Wiki? Would adding a RFF location page on FB be helpful? Let me know or start a separate discussion thread here  would be best.

[Maanca]

Flags are only allowed on Wikipedia articles now for official, diplomatic reasons. Even a TV show about racing through different countries doesn't qualify.

[georgiapeach]

That's ridiculous. Next someone will say the UN can't fly them?? ALL FLAGS WELCOME HERE!!

[LandonM170]

I am made about what they are doing to the results table and adding a new cast table. The key is now in notes so next to an eliminated team you have a [1].

The cast table in my opinion makes no sense! Why do we need to know the order they got eliminated and in which city, country when the results table tells us. You can just click the leg number and it takes you to that leg 

[G.B.]

I'm officially done with Wikipedia as an editor. The site has a huge, huge problem with elitism and it's not worth fighting anymore.

I know RFF Wiki isn't actually a wiki, but everyone know that you can always, always contact me if you see anything wrong on the wiki and I'll look into it right away.

[Xoruz]

I know RFF Wiki isn't actually a wiki, but everyone know that you can always, always contact me if you see anything wrong on the wiki and I'll look into it right away.

G.B. I have found multiple small errors on RFW (the North Korea page linking to Vietnam 2016, the Malawi page saying that it was recently visited by 19 and hasn't been revisited, an incorrect photo for the Tintin mural on 19.11, mixed up locations for the Mongolian legs on TARAU 4, USVI listing Roadblock on Lovango Cay instead of Hans Lollik Island) and have tried to correct them. However, the site will not give me access.

[G.B.]

Wow, it's a good thing I literally just finished fully documenting the episode title quotes on RFW, as they all just not nuked from Wikipedia...

However, the site will not give me access.

Yeah that's pretty much why it's not a Wiki, new user creation doesn't work. I'll look at all of those soon.

[TARUSAFan]

RIP nice-looking results tables on Wikipedia.

(RFF will forever be superior)

I saw it, it's hideous now. It was never a problem before, but someone came in and suddenly changed all the season pages citing a WP style policy on colored tables. First we can't use national flags anymore and now this 

Thank goodness for RFF Wiki, indeed (and Fandom)

It was an eyesore. Redundancy is all over the new look.

On a different note, to whomever created the RFF Wiki Page Database. That is how it should be done. My only suggestion is to group all the countries & territories visited per continent.

[LandonM170]

Yeah the one reason I was still using wiki is because of the race summary and the country/continents visited sections.

I do love having the legs be a separate page with very detailed info but I also love the bullet style summaries of the legs that have on wiki. I think both would be great, but it's not a big deal but this isn't the Reality Wiki thread.

[georgiapeach]

Let's make the RFF one the place to be. 

[G.B.]

I do love having the legs be a separate page with very detailed info but I also love the bullet style summaries of the legs that have on wiki. I think both would be great, but it's not a big deal but this isn't the Reality Wiki thread.

The bullet style summaries of the visited locations are still on country pages, if you didn't know.

https://realityfanwiki.com/index.php?title=Germany

...I've also lost what little respect I had left for this new overlord editor who's changing everything. He's also "cleaning up" all of the pages and removing stuff he finds to be extraneous or stuff that's trivia. He left in all the information about Ernie & Cindy's wedding, including the list of race alumni who were at the wedding as guests (I'm happy for E&C of course, but this is relatively unimportant to mention in context of the show), but he removed the paragraph that describes the death of Bill Alden... Guess people getting married is more important than people literally dying. 

EDIT: And all notes about deaths too. Margaretta, Nancy, Sheila...

[RachelLeVega]

Let's make the RFF one the place to be. 

This! I love G.B.'s thorough catalog for all things TAR and seeing it become what it is! 
Especially the play-by-play leaderboard info for each episode. That is chef's kiss!

[Declive]

I'll always be looking for the RFF one now. Great job, G.B.

[G.B.]

It's almost funny at this point how far they've devolved and are continuing to devolve even as we speak. They're now talking about removing the Detour/Roadblock icons from the race routes...and the list of destinations. Y'know, from a travel show.

And the reason is always "Because I said so".

[RealLifed]

Ew it's already so bad the way they just put the dagger symbol next to last place teams on the TAR wikipedia page, makes it look like they die after getting eliminated lmao.

I'm so glad we have the RFF one

[TAR789]

I don't get it. Normally, when you want to change the format of a page, you need to start a thread on the talk page and attain a consensus with the other editors. But here it's the other way around. And I don't think anyone has the time and energy to spend hours and hours trying to convince someone like that.

[G.B.]

They're being slaves to the "Manual of Style", which is not a set of hard RULES that every page has to follow, it's a guideline that's used to improve pages and make them as accessible as possible. By trying to adhere so hard to it, they're just making it unappealing and harder to read for other viewers without taking a second to actually think about their actions...

A lot of these changes are in the name of people who use screen-readers...I mean, sure, that's nice, but at some point you gotta realize that a screen-reader isn't going to be able to read everything perfectly no matter how nicely you format it, especially when you consider it's a results table.

[LandonM170]

They're being slaves to the "Manual of Style", which is not a set of hard RULES that every page has to follow, it's a guideline that's used to improve pages and make them as accessible as possible. By trying to adhere so hard to it, they're just making it unappealing and harder to read for other viewers without taking a second to actually think about their actions...

A lot of these changes are in the name of people who use screen-readers...I mean, sure, that's nice, but at some point you gotta realize that a screen-reader isn't going to be able to read everything perfectly no matter how nicely you format it, especially when you consider it's a results table.

I got so pissed reading this message I went to the Talk part of the TAR 34 paged and quoted you're message and giving some commentary with it. I don't care if I get hated on, as I am sick and tired of these nasty formats.

I am making Google Docs pages with old Results table and Race Summary formats. I have 1, 33, and 34 done for anyone who wants them.

Edit: I am not pissed at G.B. btw. I am pissed that who ever started the new format on wikipedia for editing that way when it wasn't even required. I am not even that mad too, I am just annoyed.

[TARUSAFan]

I just visited the TAR Wiki Pages. It went from bad to worse.    Who keeps changing it? Shortened descriptions.. Separate team tables. Irrelevant information.

[georgiapeach]

What about if I started a RFF TAR WIKI page on FB? (Only saying me because I have so many racer and production members.)

Is FB flexible enough to do one there? GB? Y'all let me know.

Otherwise we can make our WIKI public (I think) and I can add a link in my FBAnd the ALumni thread too.

Twitter is unsafe tnow and I may not be there much longer and I am liousy at IG...