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The Amazing Race => The Amazing Race Discussion => Topic started by: hotriceguy on November 14, 2014, 09:44:08 PM

Title: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: hotriceguy on November 14, 2014, 09:44:08 PM
Well I simply just wanna complain about the Amazing Race page on Wikipedia.
I saw someone "rewrite" everything in the Wikipedia pages from point forms to a big, chronological paragraph.
In my opinion, this change really bug me (person whom don't like reading books) to read them.

If anyone here is the editor or know any of them, please (tell them to) change it back to the ORIGINAL STYLE.  (:;) (:;) (:;)

P.S: They erased all the unaired information.  :'(

Examples:
Old Style: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_7)
New Style: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_25)

This arrogant and obnoxious guy is the person who is responsible of this editing/
Ryulong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ryulong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ryulong)
Title: Re: The Wikipedia pages for the summaries of the races
Post by: Bookworm on November 14, 2014, 09:46:03 PM
I agree, but it probably is just because we've seen the pages in the "old style" for several years. I don't mind the paragraph that much, but I dislike the way the Detour and Roadblock tittles are edited in the route summary.
Title: Re: The Wikipedia pages for the summaries of the races
Post by: Pi/ on November 14, 2014, 10:14:46 PM
I just saw this and I HATE this tbh

#BringtheOldStyleBack
Title: Re: The Wikipedia pages for the summaries of the races
Post by: hotriceguy on November 14, 2014, 10:22:24 PM
I agree, but it probably is just because we've seen the pages in the "old style" for several years. I don't mind the paragraph that much, but I dislike the way the Detour and Roadblock tittles are edited in the route summary.
I totally agree!!! The route summary is a mess now! Especially when the roadblock/detour title is placed in front of the location.
Title: Re: The Wikipedia pages for the summaries of the races
Post by: hotriceguy on November 14, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
I just saw this and I HATE this tbh

#BringtheOldStyleBack

It seems like there's a feud up there among all the TAR editors. They just enforce their way without taking others' opinions.

I think people in this forum should be the ones who edit the page, after all the discussion on this forum.  blahblah
Title: Re: The Wikipedia pages for the summaries of the races
Post by: Pi/ on November 14, 2014, 10:37:48 PM
I just saw this and I HATE this tbh

#BringtheOldStyleBack

It seems like there's a feud up there among all the TAR editors. They just enforce their way without taking others' opinions.

I think people in this forum should be the ones who edit the page, after all the discussion on this forum.  blahblah
I would be more than happy to!
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 14, 2014, 10:58:20 PM
You all DO know that RFF has our OWN wiki, right??

You all can help with any of the sites! Here is the TAR one:

http://realityfanwiki.com/index.php?title=Portal:The_Amazing_Race

Thanks to GB for amazing work!!
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Air on November 14, 2014, 11:02:00 PM
Ryulong...lol you poor soul,dealing with him
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Lemontail on November 14, 2014, 11:08:07 PM
I has account on Wikipedia, named Roif456, but I can't handle over 10 pages about TAR. I just use the account for correcting/edit mistakes on Wikipedia, and watchlist. But I hope could do more than stated above.

And,

That's edit of TAR on Wikipedia, is horrible!
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: hotriceguy on November 14, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
You all DO know that RFF has our OWN wiki, right??

You all can help with any of the sites! Here is the TAR one:

http://realityfanwiki.com/index.php?title=Portal:The_Amazing_Race

Thanks to GB for amazing work!!

Thanks Peach!!! Now I know we have our own wiki!
P.S. I'm so tired to deal with people in Wikipedia. Sigh!
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: claude_24hrs on November 14, 2014, 11:54:20 PM
And look what are the differences how changed the Race Summaries in every leg what is now, User Ryulong of Wikipedia is a contributor in every TAR page and he partially rewrote and edited the new race summary, here's the example from TAR25:

Before:
Show content
(http://i.imgur.com/uwQPe2t.png)

After:
Show content
(http://i.imgur.com/e7U4YR3.png)
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: SamualDude on November 15, 2014, 12:59:32 AM
What an arrogant guy. Don't know where he gets the idea of going around changing things that weren't broken.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: TARloveit on November 15, 2014, 01:27:20 AM
I just saw this. The old wiki pages were perfect and organized, but one giant paragraph for each leg? Although it is in chronological order, it isn't really that great to read.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: hotriceguy on November 15, 2014, 04:32:43 AM
So I just found out this page where he and his editors discuss things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Amazing_Race_25 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Amazing_Race_25) blahblah

and the last post is the answer of this new layout thing. (under the title New TAR Clue Format and Summaries) ???
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: gamerfan09 on November 15, 2014, 06:34:30 AM
:res: This was very jarring and awful, I was surprised when I tried to read an old TAR Season wiki page. It has to be fixed! :(
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Pi/ on November 15, 2014, 07:30:57 AM
There's also a lot of odd stuff, like putting "Pit Stop: Leg 1" right next to the pit stop icon :groan: and unnecessary descriptions of tasks in the location list :gaah: I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Kamineko on November 15, 2014, 07:38:22 AM
I'm so confused when I read the TAR article now. What I would prefer is brief explanation of tasks.
We don't need the word "Detour", "Roadblock", "Pit Stop", etc. beside the icon, because there's a legend on the top of the race summary. For the Roadblock question or the Detour options, he just can use the hover feature on Wikipedia. :iok
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: TAR789 on November 15, 2014, 07:52:44 AM
I've made severall edits in the past on the TAR wiki pages and Ryulong just kept on reverting them as if he was the only one allowed to edit them and change their format. He thinks he's always right, is angry all the time, and he doesn't seem to follow wikipedia's civility policy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility). I gave up a couple of months ago, and yeah now, when I need TAR infos, I head to rff's and GB's amazing wiki.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on November 15, 2014, 01:59:20 PM
Don't tell Ryulong this, but I'm Shadow2. If you want to see us really butt heads, look at the talk page for The Amazing Race 24. He's a completely arrogant son of a mother who always, always thinks he is right. That's why I've given up on the Wikipedia pages entirely. Come to our wiki instead. The TAR section is like 90% complete.

But if you all want to try to make a difference then the best thing to do is to make an account and go post on the Talk page. The reason my opinions always fall flat is because I'm usually the ONLY person with the courage to speak up against him. If there's 7 people wanting the old format and only him wanting the new one, then he actually has to abide by the rules of Wikipedia and go with the majority.

IMPORTANT THOUGH: DO NOT MENTION THAT YOU ARE FROM THIS SITE. As soon as they hear you're from a "fancruft" site, as they call them, they will immediately disregard all of your opinions.

...

In terms of OUR wiki, I think someone mentioned carrying over the old method to the rff wiki. However, since we have more freedom on the rff wiki I've split the TAR seasons into multiple pages, so I don't think there's actually a place for the old method there.

On country pages (http://realityfanwiki.com/index.php?title=Argentina) the race itineraries are listed out using the old OLD method (before they started putting Roadblock symbols on the far left like idiots), and each has a link above to a leg page.

The leg pages (http://realityfanwiki.com/index.php?title=The_Amazing_Race_19_Leg_1) have each task nicely separated and easy to read.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Karpov617 on November 15, 2014, 06:39:34 PM
Hi guys :waves:

I made an alternative leg entry format for the TAR pages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Albertdaniel222

I want to know what you guys think before I present this to the guy who is unusually controlling everything.nah, I couldn't wait :)
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on November 15, 2014, 07:52:22 PM
See how he insulted Gsfelipe94 simply because this person had a differing opinion, calling him "petty"?
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Neobie on November 16, 2014, 12:13:46 AM
Just wanted to pop in to applaud everyone for their hard work!

I like simplicity and clean, neat, options, so I really like Karpov's design!
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Lemontail on November 16, 2014, 12:19:35 AM
Ryulong is most snobbish guy I ever seen.  :funny:

I don't have problems reading the old style, but the new style looks a bit awful. But I like Karpov's design.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on November 16, 2014, 12:26:05 AM
By the way, if anyone wants to help out with the rff wiki but doesn't know what they can do, Hit the Random Page button and look at the page. If anything looks wrong to you, fix it. I'm most certain there's a few typos in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: hotriceguy on November 16, 2014, 10:06:01 PM
Really thanks for everyone who confront him with your opinion! And I think we should work on the RF Wiki as well if you want to contribute.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Karpov617 on November 17, 2014, 12:37:30 AM
Now Ryulong's keeping the hell away from the TAR pages discussion. Odd. ??? :res:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: SamualDude on November 17, 2014, 01:49:04 AM
Now Ryulong's keeping the hell away from the TAR pages discussion. Odd. ??? :res:

As long as he keeps away from the TAR pages in general. Good.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on November 17, 2014, 10:06:46 PM
I might as well bring up the other issue here for discussion too.

As you may notice, the race Legs on Wikipedia always have a header that says something along the lines of "Leg 6 (Spain > France)

Even some complex legs are headed such as "Leg 9 (Switzerland > Malaysia > Singapore)"

And yet for some reason, Ryulong REFUSES to acknowledge TAR25's visit to Sweden in the header, even though Sweden fielded an actual Route Info Marker AND an actual task. This makes me unbelievably frustrated, what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Pi/ on November 17, 2014, 10:11:05 PM
And look at this:

Quote
Leg 7 (Morocco → Austria & Germany)

 :gaah:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Karpov617 on November 17, 2014, 10:27:26 PM
I might as well bring up the other issue here for discussion too.

As you may notice, the race Legs on Wikipedia always have a header that says something along the lines of "Leg 6 (Spain > France)

Even some complex legs are headed such as "Leg 9 (Switzerland > Malaysia > Singapore)"

And yet for some reason, Ryulong REFUSES to acknowledge TAR25's visit to Sweden in the header, even though Sweden fielded an actual Route Info Marker AND an actual task. This makes me unbelievably frustrated, what do you guys think?

He does this because removing Sweden from the header gives it a cleaner look, in favor of not saying Sweden was visited for one task.

I think this spurred when TARP's Leg 2 route went like this: Metro Manila > Cavite > Batangas > Cavite > Batangas. And combined with his hatred for Ford & the justification that unaired one-off visits to Vatican City and Botswana in season 1 isn't included in the header, he just reformated everything.

I think headers like Morocco > Austria & Germany for season 3 is justifiable, but his removal of Sweden from the header in TAR 25 is just  :res:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: tarflyonthewall on November 17, 2014, 11:40:16 PM
Maybe what could be done is rather than doing things like "Metro Manila -> Cavite -> Batangas -> Cavite -> Batangas" and "Scotland, United Kingdom -> Denmark -> Sweden -> Denmark", it could be "Metro Manila -> Batangas (and Cavite)" and "Scotland -> Denmark (and Sweden)"? I agree the long titles don't work, but doing just Pit Stop to Pit Stop also makes no sense (especially in cases like the Germany-plus-Austria legs in TAR3 and TAR14), and neither does simply saying "Germany and Austria" because of that HMLM leg that would be presented as "Hungary -> Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia" under that format.

I second going back to the old format, but I actually like having the task markers before the destinations. My understanding is that it was only done when it required going from the clue to the task at a different place (see the Detours where two locations are listed), which makes sense to me. The indents for Fast Forwards annoy me more, when we could just put the Fast Forward logo before the task location. (The other option would be copying Survivor's format and splitting it up into three parts - a location list, a task guide, and then a summary of what actually happens in the episode - but that'd be far too much work.)

I also think we need to come up with an easy way to tell what actually IS a task. Detours and Road Blocks and whatever are obvious, but where do we draw the line with Route Info tasks? Is "drive yourself here" a task while "take a taxi here" isn't? Was it an actual task in season one for teams to work out that Songwe Museum was in Songwe Village, or that the Eiffel-Tower-like model they got later in that same leg represented the real Eiffel Tower? Is finding a cluegiver in a specific costume at the set location any different from the recent change of locally-inspired clue vessels? And so on.

Edit: **cough**.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Karpov617 on November 18, 2014, 05:17:35 AM
Hallelujah. He finally yielded and agreed to cut up those large paragraphs into smaller paragraphs, and add Sweden to the header for leg 4. God, if this is how much it needs to take to make those small changes, what would happen if a big edit needs to come.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: theamazingracer21 on November 18, 2014, 06:35:03 AM
I really hope the one style is restated soon
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: BritishTARFan on November 19, 2014, 01:48:36 AM
I wish It was England Scotland Wales Northern Ireland and not the UK  (:;)
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Karpov617 on November 19, 2014, 08:39:14 AM
I wish It was England Scotland Wales Northern Ireland and not the UK  (:;)

I have to disagree. United Kingdom is one country by international standards. Separating it into four would just be due to personal preference.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: tarflyonthewall on November 19, 2014, 09:29:11 PM
You're all welcome. :P

I'd split the UK up too. People remember those legs as "the England leg" or "the Scotland leg", not "the United Kingdom leg".
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: BritishTARFan on November 20, 2014, 02:33:35 PM
You're all welcome. :P

I'd split the UK up too. People remember those legs as "the England leg" or "the Scotland leg", not "the United Kingdom leg".

Yes it's wierd I consider myself British but I live in England
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Bookworm on November 20, 2014, 03:49:41 PM
You're all welcome. :P

I'd split the UK up too. People remember those legs as "the England leg" or "the Scotland leg", not "the United Kingdom leg".

Yes it's wierd I consider myself British but I live in England
Shouldn't you, though? In my experience, British people are from England :P
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Karpov617 on November 20, 2014, 06:22:38 PM
For anyone who wants to know the differences between United Kingdom, England, and the Great Britain :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10

One correction though: "Republic of Ireland" is actually officially named as only "Ireland", unlike what the video said. :)
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Pi/ on November 20, 2014, 10:08:42 PM
^^^ CGP Grey! Favorite YouTuber  :hoot:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: theamazingracer21 on November 21, 2014, 06:33:32 AM
^^^ CGP Grey! Favorite YouTuber  :hoot:
He is a "top 5 baby" youtuber for me. Watch his videos and his "Hello Internet" podcast that he does with Brady Haran from many, many youtube channles.

Ok enough CGP Gray love, back to the issue at hand. I feel like that the 4 countries of the UK are just that (dispute the fact that they are under one system). So they should be treated as a regular country in the wiki page.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: TAR789 on November 21, 2014, 07:29:00 AM
OMG Ryulong seriously  (:;)
He just changed all leg titles from "Leg 7 (Morocco -> Italy)" to "Episode 7 "Pretty Fly For a Food Scientist""
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Karpov617 on November 21, 2014, 09:12:33 AM
He's just a giant crybaby. :res: :res: :res: :res: :res: :res: :res:
He won't admit that Sweden is part of Leg 4 so he just changed everything since he knew he already lost.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Karpov617 on November 21, 2014, 09:40:12 AM
:funny: Apparently, Ryulong's a target of the 'Operation 5 Horsemen'. They are targeted for biased editing of the Gamergate controversy page, among others. :funny:

http://pastebin.com/60iFkCX5
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: amazing1604 on November 21, 2014, 11:07:02 AM
The new wiki page is just a complete mess. That guy is just... :res:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Declive on November 21, 2014, 01:49:06 PM
Ryulong ‏@Ryulong 12 hH 12 horas

People are edit warring with me over the format of the ****ing amazing race pages because I don't think the trip to sweden counts in the end
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Pi/ on November 21, 2014, 03:00:16 PM
Notice that it's about what he thinks.  :res:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: BritishTARFan on November 22, 2014, 11:31:12 AM
For anyone who wants to know the differences between United Kingdom, England, and the Great Britain :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10

One correction though: "Republic of Ireland" is actually officially named as only "Ireland", unlike what the video said. :)

I have seen that video many times and it's awesome  :funny:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: tarflyonthewall on November 23, 2014, 10:35:24 PM
The thing is, his entire argument about changing the format is because some people can't read the hover text on the Detour and Road Block items? Just put them in the descriptions. The Detour titles are there anyway, so they're irrelevant, and the new format he's proposing doesn't actually do anything about the Fast Forwards and Speed Bumps, so literally this entire thing is happening because he's whining about not getting to see the Road Block hints. And it's not too hard to add them in brackets after the intro bit, like "In this leg's Road Block, the chosen team member (who has strong legs and keen eyes) must..."

Whiny-ass baby. Ahem.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Pi/ on November 24, 2014, 10:56:17 AM
At least the international version pages are still intact!
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Karpov617 on November 24, 2014, 08:04:40 PM
I just want to ask you guys what you like and do not like about the current formatting of the TAR pages on Wikipedia, particularly season 25's.

For me, I actually like the multiple paragraph for the tasks description per leg better than the bullet format for additional tasks. It gives better flow than darting your eyes back and forth between the Detour/Roadblock and ARIs. Though I would like to add markers or icons for major tasks like Detours and Roadblocks, it doesn't really match with Wikipedia's general design.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Philimination on November 26, 2014, 07:37:29 PM
Wow, 32-1, now that's what I call a blowout!  :o
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on November 27, 2014, 12:17:56 PM
Actually, there's one more thing, and I'm curious for you guys' opinions.

Remember after the first leg of TAR24, a bunch of teams had their positions shuffled? Margie & Luke checked in 4th, but left 3rd, and others such as that. What do you think should be shown in the 'Leg 1' column? It was my opinion that the "new" placements should be there (ML - 3rd) because these placements were the result of time credit corrections and were basically the producers "correcting/fixing" earlier mistakes. Ryulong was hotly adamant that the "old" placements should be there instead (ML - 4th) because ???
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Jimmer on November 27, 2014, 12:34:26 PM
I feel like the old ones should be there because that's what they actually got, but I think there still should be a footnote stating their departing positions :)
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on November 27, 2014, 12:51:21 PM
But my view is that's NOT what they got. Margie & Luke showed up in 4th because production slowed them down, and that's why they got their time credit, meaning they should have shown up in 3rd.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: TARloveit on November 27, 2014, 12:59:57 PM
I have to agree with GB. The main reason why their placements shuffled for the departure time is because of production difficulties (aka the show's fault). If it weren't for those problems, they would have gotten the positions that they got during the departure order.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on November 27, 2014, 01:06:28 PM
One of the arguments I gave Ryulong was "For years, we showed Paul & Amie as 4th after they arrived in 5th but were given a credit to move up to 4th" and he was like oh, well I'd better go change it then (facepalm)
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: tarflyonthewall on November 27, 2014, 07:24:00 PM
1. Old format. I get that going back and forth is annoying, but even split into paragraphs it's too damn hard to find anything in any of the proposed new formats - and the important details get lost in a sea of "the clue teams received at Tower Bridge told them to...". The reason they're split up to begin with was because we have the little marker logos for Detours and Road Blocks and Fast Forwards, and we don't have them for random extra tasks. I also don't think "this is how other shows do it, therefore this is how we must do it" will work. Because if you haven't noticed, TAR is not like other shows.

2. Whatever position they are in at the end of the episode should be their listed order, with other changes included as part of the notes. That's the only real middle ground between the "but who cares if they left in fourth?" camp and the "but if we listed their arrival order, Heather and Eve would be first for the leg where they got eliminated!" camp. Generally penalties are mentioned in the first episode but time credits aren't (yes, I know there are exceptions to this, but whatever), and I think that makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Karpov617 on November 27, 2014, 08:57:56 PM
My position on the results table debate is:
1) if the changes in positions is acknowledged on the show (this episode or the next), the positions should reflect the end result. For example: Terrence & Sarah in the Cambodia leg in season 13. Phil didn't tell them that they were penalized on the mat, but it was mentioned on the show. They arrived in 3rd place, but left in 5th place. Therefore, they would should be in 5th place for that leg.
2) If the change isn't mentioned on the show, the pit stop arrival would be used. For example: in Asia 2, Diane & Ann's and Natasha & Paula's positions changed between legs without being acknowledged, so the leg arrivals were used instead of the departures.

The argument here is that no official sources say what actually happened. We could infer (and be probably right, but nothing is confirmed). The gray area then is whether non-official acknoledgements count, such as the TAR 24 Leg 1 positions. Since the reason behind the position changes was tweeted, but no official statement or notes were made, does this count or not. Current rule is that it doesn't count, since ... well, it's a tweet, not exactly the best of the best. There are also rules regarding original research and other things...
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on November 28, 2014, 09:23:41 AM
The RFF Wiki's down! o:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: TAR789 on November 29, 2014, 12:33:29 PM
The RFF Wiki's down! o:

Hoping it will be back soon  :(
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: smiley on November 29, 2014, 07:46:51 PM
I don't know if this goes here.. but I once found a leaderboard that did clue by clue of the race? does anyone know where I would find that?
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Philimination on November 29, 2014, 07:49:01 PM
I don't know if this goes here.. but I once found a leaderboard that did clue by clue of the race? does anyone know where I would find that?

That was on the RFF wiki, but it's down atm :(
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on November 29, 2014, 08:11:45 PM
Yeah, those are implemented for TAR 1-13, TAR 21, and TAR Asia 1-3
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: TAR789 on December 02, 2014, 09:55:44 AM
The RFF Wiki's down! o:

It's back!  :conf:
http://realityfanwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on December 02, 2014, 05:52:01 PM
If anyone can find a way to back up the contents of the wiki, you win brownie points.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: I ♥ TAR on December 06, 2014, 06:11:08 PM
Edit

Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Hooky on December 15, 2014, 12:55:13 PM
It's probably a little late for me say something here now, but kudos to you all for thinking this through seriously and not allowing Ryulong to continue dominating the TAR pages on Wikipedia. Way back during Seasons 12-17 I used to edit those pages quite a bit (before this current period of my relative inactivity) and I would constantly get into edit wars with him. He would just revert all my changes without ever considering their validity. Needless to say, it got very old.

So thanks for taking him on and working to keep the Wikipedia pages awesome. If I had more time for it, I would certainly join you in your cause.

Anyway, just thought I'd pop in and say hi! :xmas49
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2014, 02:23:37 PM
 :xmas49 Lovely to see you Hooky!!
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Hooky on December 15, 2014, 10:21:21 PM
You too, Peach! :xmas49
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on April 29, 2015, 11:35:02 PM
I forgot to mention, but Ryulong got banned for a period of One Year. I think it started in December.

You may just notice that the TAR pages look a tiny bit better now.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 30, 2015, 12:28:37 AM
I forgot to mention, but Ryulong got banned for a period of One Year. I think it started in December.

You may just notice that the TAR pages look a tiny bit better now.

Still doesn't help, I absolutely LOATHE the paragraph form =/
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: TerraformingYou on April 30, 2015, 07:18:23 PM
Where in the world is the route map?! 0_o
I might have OCD but it's really annoying that the map of the route isn't in the page..
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: stekay on April 30, 2015, 07:34:17 PM
I agree with gamer. Bullet points let you find what you want straight away without trying to delve through paragraphs of slush.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on April 30, 2015, 09:35:07 PM
Where in the world is the route map?! 0_o
I might have OCD but it's really annoying that the map of the route isn't in the page..

Apparently no-one felt like making it, so I only just made one last night (a super crappy one)
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on October 25, 2015, 09:36:37 PM
Was one of you here "Sportsfan1234"?
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: gamerfan09 on November 15, 2015, 02:17:32 AM
This needs a bump.

Bring the old style of one task per paragraph please!

The block style editing is gross! :res:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on November 15, 2015, 03:31:40 PM
Make an account and bring it up on the current race's talk page :)
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 24, 2016, 07:13:45 AM
Whoever ApprenticeFan is can he stop editing JFC? :res:

The language is so broken and run-on sentences are even worse than my teacher's examples :res:

I tried to help and be a good citizen and fix 28 but nope! Within 30 minutes all my edits are gone and I can't undo them.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: claude_24hrs on April 24, 2016, 07:26:37 AM
Whoever ApprenticeFan is can he stop editing JFC? :res:

The language is so broken and run-on sentences are even worse than my teacher's examples :res:

I tried to help and be a good citizen and fix 28 but nope! Within 30 minutes all my edits are gone and I can't undo them.

Apparently these clean and trimmed Wikipedia plot formatting in TAR articles were rewrote by Ryulong. I am a regular contributor there for TAR pages.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Lemontail on April 24, 2016, 07:30:42 AM
I just read his user talk page, and well...  (:;)
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: georgiapeach on April 24, 2016, 09:45:05 AM
That's why we need you all to work on our own RFF Wiki!! Thanks to GB it is a zillion times more complete.

There is a server issue right now but once it is fixed please help out here?
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on April 24, 2016, 03:20:52 PM
Whoever ApprenticeFan is can he stop editing JFC? :res:

The language is so broken and run-on sentences are even worse than my teacher's examples :res:

I tried to help and be a good citizen and fix 28 but nope! Within 30 minutes all my edits are gone and I can't undo them.

If someone undoes your rightful edits, then undo them right back. Do so and explain why yours should stay. If the other party tries to undo them again, then they are breaking the 'three revert rule'.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 24, 2016, 06:49:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SkbNeiN.png)

Lol. This guy absolutely hates the bulleted format, and yet despite acknowledging he has grammatical errors, he still undoes my edits?  :groan:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Best Loser on April 24, 2016, 07:43:31 PM
Some of the more recent International seasons are in need of dire help if anyone can save them. The 4th season of Vietnam in particular is looking pretty skeletal.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on April 24, 2016, 08:18:55 PM
Whoever ApprenticeFan is can he stop editing JFC? :res:

The language is so broken and run-on sentences are even worse than my teacher's examples :res:

I tried to help and be a good citizen and fix 28 but nope! Within 30 minutes all my edits are gone and I can't undo them.

If someone undoes your rightful edits, then undo them right back. Do so and explain why yours should stay. If the other party tries to undo them again, then they are breaking the 'three revert rule'.

OK I totally mathed that wrong. I'm dumb. That would not break the rule I'm talking about, but you should still stand up for yourself if you believe your edits are valid. Don't get steamrolled.

Some of the more recent International seasons are in need of dire help if anyone can save them. The 4th season of Vietnam in particular is looking pretty skeletal.

That's because I used to be the only one building the Vietnam pages. Then I got sick of the idiots on Wikipedia and left for our Wiki entirely.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: georgiapeach on April 24, 2016, 08:36:11 PM


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/wiki%20formatting%20language.jpg)

Lol. This guy absolutely hates the bulleted format, and yet despite acknowledging he has grammatical errors, he still undoes my edits?  :groan:

edited for foul language in the clip
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: TARUSAFan on April 24, 2016, 08:44:52 PM
I used to edit on the Amazing Race wikia page and quit as all the edits, records and other information that I've been working on are wiped out 95%. I gave up.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: georgiapeach on April 24, 2016, 08:48:31 PM
I used to edit on the Amazing Race wikia page and quit as all the edits, records and other information that I've been working on are wiped out 95%. I gave up.

Ours is far better anyway!! We are working on getting a new server there, do hope you all will come help GB there when it is up!!
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: TARUSAFan on April 24, 2016, 08:55:40 PM
I used to edit on the Amazing Race wikia page and quit as all the edits, records and other information that I've been working on are wiped out 95%. I gave up.

Ours is far better anyway!! We are working on getting a new server there, do hope you all will come help GB there when it is up!!

Will do, definitely.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 25, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/WZ1UAG7.png)

After the 6666th view on this page (:lol:)...

(http://i.imgur.com/RvOoFCY.png)

I'm happy to say that I think I've reached an agreement with the guy editing the wiki!

Check out TAR28's page right now, it's back to the old style  :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

(http://i.imgur.com/NxQJ6It.png)

I'll try my best to fix the rest of the pages this weekend.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: claude_24hrs on April 25, 2016, 10:24:23 AM
Hello there, I rework to fix the old-style format in all TAR US seasons throughout the week. I did with TAR 24 (prior to November 2014 edit), TAR 25, TAR 26.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Mandoli on April 25, 2016, 10:43:27 AM
That's why we need you all to work on our own RFF Wiki!! Thanks to GB it is a zillion times more complete.

There is a server issue right now but once it is fixed please help out here?

Speaking of that... I'm still not sure why I haven't been able to register for it...
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: georgiapeach on April 25, 2016, 01:23:10 PM
We have some issues. Will be doing a revamp before long so hang in there!
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 26, 2016, 05:26:31 AM
I'll also try to help out on the Reality Fan Wiki if I'm not bored and it's up btw! :p
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Mandoli on April 26, 2016, 07:58:17 PM
We have some issues. Will be doing a revamp before long so hang in there!

It was acting up on me every time I wanted to register to contribute. I'll offer to do one of the non-major reality shows, if you wanted.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on May 10, 2016, 07:13:59 PM
So, I've just discovered that the TAR Wikia seems to be stealing ideas from out wiki...  :funny:

To be specific, the little list of flags for each team that shows all the countries they visited.

Anyone have anything on the Wikia that they would like me to steal back for our wiki?  :sab

PEACH: Maybe this thread should become a general "wiki" discussion thread?
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Maanca on May 10, 2016, 07:27:59 PM
So, I've just discovered that the TAR Wikia seems to be stealing ideas from out wiki...  :funny:

To be specific, the little list of flags for each team that shows all the countries they visited.

Anyone have anything on the Wikia that they would like me to steal back for our wiki?  :sab

PEACH: Maybe this thread should become a general "wiki" discussion thread?

I actually haven't mentioned this yet, but I am an admin of the TAR Wikia :) And no, the flags weren't my doing. Most of my edits are to do with placings and results tables.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: georgiapeach on May 10, 2016, 07:32:57 PM
So, I've just discovered that the TAR Wikia seems to be stealing ideas from out wiki...  :funny:

To be specific, the little list of flags for each team that shows all the countries they visited.

Anyone have anything on the Wikia that they would like me to steal back for our wiki?  :sab

PEACH: Maybe this thread should become a general "wiki" discussion thread?

You can edit the title in post 1 :tup:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on May 10, 2016, 08:16:11 PM
I'm not the creator of the thread, though.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: georgiapeach on May 11, 2016, 03:08:42 AM
I'm not the creator of the thread, though.

Figure out what you want it to say and either ask rice o r I will do it, okay?
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: claude_24hrs on May 11, 2016, 03:32:10 AM
Peach, the first Wiki editor in TAR in Wikipedia articles was MattTM. He wrote the first six TAR seasons in 2004.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on May 11, 2016, 04:53:13 AM
I'm not the creator of the thread, though.

Figure out what you want it to say and either ask rice o r I will do it, okay?

Perhaps "TAR on Wikipedia and RFF Wiki Discussion"? Sweet and simple.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on September 22, 2022, 09:52:25 PM
RIP nice-looking results tables on Wikipedia.

(RFF will forever be superior)
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Maanca on September 23, 2022, 04:23:05 AM
RIP nice-looking results tables on Wikipedia.

(RFF will forever be superior)

I saw it, it's hideous now. It was never a problem before, but someone came in and suddenly changed all the season pages citing a WP style policy on colored tables. First we can't use national flags anymore and now this  :dick

Thank goodness for RFF Wiki, indeed (and Fandom)
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: georgiapeach on September 23, 2022, 10:42:03 AM
Link? Wow...that is so sad but thankful to each of you keeping RFF so positive.

FWIW, why no flags? I LOVE country flags and have loved when they were a clue on TAR.

Hmmm. How can we help Wiki? Would adding a RFF location page on FB be helpful? Let me know or start a separate discussion thread here  would be best.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Maanca on September 23, 2022, 10:44:59 AM
Flags are only allowed on Wikipedia articles now for official, diplomatic reasons. Even a TV show about racing through different countries doesn't qualify.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: georgiapeach on September 23, 2022, 10:51:56 AM
That's ridiculous. Next someone will say the UN can't fly them?? ALL FLAGS WELCOME HERE!!
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: LandonM170 on September 23, 2022, 05:42:51 PM
I am made about what they are doing to the results table and adding a new cast table. The key is now in notes so next to an eliminated team you have a [1].

The cast table in my opinion makes no sense! Why do we need to know the order they got eliminated and in which city, country when the results table tells us. You can just click the leg number and it takes you to that leg  :groan:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on September 23, 2022, 06:03:03 PM
I'm officially done with Wikipedia as an editor. The site has a huge, huge problem with elitism and it's not worth fighting anymore.

I know RFF Wiki isn't actually a wiki, but everyone know that you can always, always contact me if you see anything wrong on the wiki and I'll look into it right away.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Xoruz on September 23, 2022, 06:51:00 PM
I know RFF Wiki isn't actually a wiki, but everyone know that you can always, always contact me if you see anything wrong on the wiki and I'll look into it right away.

G.B. I have found multiple small errors on RFW (the North Korea page linking to Vietnam 2016, the Malawi page saying that it was recently visited by 19 and hasn't been revisited, an incorrect photo for the Tintin mural on 19.11, mixed up locations for the Mongolian legs on TARAU 4, USVI listing Roadblock on Lovango Cay instead of Hans Lollik Island) and have tried to correct them. However, the site will not give me access.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on September 23, 2022, 08:06:35 PM
Wow, it's a good thing I literally just finished fully documenting the episode title quotes on RFW, as they all just not nuked from Wikipedia...

However, the site will not give me access.

Yeah that's pretty much why it's not a Wiki, new user creation doesn't work. I'll look at all of those soon.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: TARUSAFan on September 24, 2022, 12:20:05 PM
RIP nice-looking results tables on Wikipedia.

(RFF will forever be superior)

I saw it, it's hideous now. It was never a problem before, but someone came in and suddenly changed all the season pages citing a WP style policy on colored tables. First we can't use national flags anymore and now this  :dick

Thank goodness for RFF Wiki, indeed (and Fandom)

It was an eyesore. Redundancy is all over the new look.

On a different note, to whomever created the RFF Wiki Page Database. That is how it should be done. My only suggestion is to group all the countries & territories visited per continent.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: LandonM170 on September 24, 2022, 02:03:28 PM
Yeah the one reason I was still using wiki is because of the race summary and the country/continents visited sections.

I do love having the legs be a separate page with very detailed info but I also love the bullet style summaries of the legs that have on wiki. I think both would be great, but it's not a big deal but this isn't the Reality Wiki thread.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: georgiapeach on September 24, 2022, 02:43:39 PM
Let's make the RFF one the place to be.  :d025:
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on September 24, 2022, 03:40:42 PM
I do love having the legs be a separate page with very detailed info but I also love the bullet style summaries of the legs that have on wiki. I think both would be great, but it's not a big deal but this isn't the Reality Wiki thread.

The bullet style summaries of the visited locations are still on country pages, if you didn't know.

https://realityfanwiki.com/index.php?title=Germany

...I've also lost what little respect I had left for this new overlord editor who's changing everything. He's also "cleaning up" all of the pages and removing stuff he finds to be extraneous or stuff that's trivia. He left in all the information about Ernie & Cindy's wedding, including the list of race alumni who were at the wedding as guests (I'm happy for E&C of course, but this is relatively unimportant to mention in context of the show), but he removed the paragraph that describes the death of Bill Alden... Guess people getting married is more important than people literally dying.  :furious: :groan:

EDIT: And all notes about deaths too. Margaretta, Nancy, Sheila...
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: RachelLeVega on September 25, 2022, 02:00:02 PM
Let's make the RFF one the place to be.  :d025:

This! I love G.B.'s thorough catalog for all things TAR and seeing it become what it is!  :2hearts:
Especially the play-by-play leaderboard info for each episode. That is chef's kiss!
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: Declive on October 18, 2022, 11:20:57 PM
I'll always be looking for the RFF one now. Great job, G.B.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on October 27, 2022, 07:02:37 PM
It's almost funny at this point how far they've devolved and are continuing to devolve even as we speak. They're now talking about removing the Detour/Roadblock icons from the race routes...and the list of destinations. Y'know, from a travel show.

And the reason is always "Because I said so".
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: RealLifed on October 27, 2022, 08:13:03 PM
Ew it's already so bad the way they just put the dagger symbol next to last place teams on the TAR wikipedia page, makes it look like they die after getting eliminated lmao.

I'm so glad we have the RFF one
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: TAR789 on October 27, 2022, 09:58:02 PM
I don't get it. Normally, when you want to change the format of a page, you need to start a thread on the talk page and attain a consensus with the other editors. But here it's the other way around. And I don't think anyone has the time and energy to spend hours and hours trying to convince someone like that.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: G.B. on October 27, 2022, 10:10:57 PM
They're being slaves to the "Manual of Style", which is not a set of hard RULES that every page has to follow, it's a guideline that's used to improve pages and make them as accessible as possible. By trying to adhere so hard to it, they're just making it unappealing and harder to read for other viewers without taking a second to actually think about their actions...

A lot of these changes are in the name of people who use screen-readers...I mean, sure, that's nice, but at some point you gotta realize that a screen-reader isn't going to be able to read everything perfectly no matter how nicely you format it, especially when you consider it's a results table.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: LandonM170 on October 28, 2022, 05:49:25 PM
They're being slaves to the "Manual of Style", which is not a set of hard RULES that every page has to follow, it's a guideline that's used to improve pages and make them as accessible as possible. By trying to adhere so hard to it, they're just making it unappealing and harder to read for other viewers without taking a second to actually think about their actions...

A lot of these changes are in the name of people who use screen-readers...I mean, sure, that's nice, but at some point you gotta realize that a screen-reader isn't going to be able to read everything perfectly no matter how nicely you format it, especially when you consider it's a results table.
I got so pissed reading this message I went to the Talk part of the TAR 34 paged and quoted you're message and giving some commentary with it. I don't care if I get hated on, as I am sick and tired of these nasty formats.

I am making Google Docs pages with old Results table and Race Summary formats. I have 1, 33, and 34 done for anyone who wants them.

Edit: I am not pissed at G.B. btw. I am pissed that who ever started the new format on wikipedia for editing that way when it wasn't even required. I am not even that mad too, I am just annoyed.
Title: Re: Please come and SAVE the TAR page on Wikipedia.
Post by: TARUSAFan on October 28, 2022, 10:03:04 PM
I just visited the TAR Wiki Pages. It went from bad to worse.  :barf  Who keeps changing it? Shortened descriptions.. Separate team tables. Irrelevant information.