Author Topic: TAR 37 LIVE STREAMS AND COMMENTARY HERE! EP 4 3/26/2025 8:30-10PM CENTRAL TIME (Read 5020 times)

RachelLeVega · « **on:** March 26, 2025, 06:29:57 PM »

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RachelLeVega · « **Reply #1 on:** March 26, 2025, 06:32:21 PM »

We'll be back for another thrilling episode tonight in approximately 2 hours! Hang tight, hang ten, and don't pick out the wrong surfboard.

elthemagnifico · « **Reply #2 on:** March 26, 2025, 07:32:42 PM »

... And randomly entering someone's house and made an offering out of nowhere

cant wait for this leg

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #3 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:15:06 PM »

15 minutes til' we go

ghmorello · « **Reply #4 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:24:53 PM »

Predicting that this is the episode for a geography blunder. Someone's gonna call Indonesia "India", I just feel it.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #5 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:25:31 PM »

5 minutes!!!

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #6 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:33:07 PM »

And we are back on!!!

Previously on TAR, 11 teams took a high-speed train from Osaka to Kyoto, Japan! At the RB, Ana claimed the Express Pass for Jon while Holden made a comeback! Courtney got off on the wrong foot. A pair of difficult Detours led to frustration and tears. Scott & Lori hit their stride and came out on top. Meanwhile, Courtney & Jasmin were eliminated. Coming up tonight, teams face the jungles of Bali and the first ever Drivers' Seat.

Scott & Lori depart 1st at 1:35 A.M. "Fly to Bali, Indonesia!" They are going to a travel agency (yeeessss!!!) and are reiterating the new twist. They find GS Travel and are working with an agent to go to Denpasar. Carson & Jack leave in 2nd ten minutes behind from them. They arrive at the agency too. They are on the same flight arrangements.

elthemagnifico · « **Reply #7 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:34:25 PM »

Its been a while we saw night departing on a leg

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #8 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:34:48 PM »

Jon & Ana depart 3rd at 2:06 A.M. and explain their Express Pass and how they are good with DnD and the parents. Lori is plotting about the Driver's Seat utilization alongside Carson & Jack.

Melinda & Erika leave in 4th. They are excited. Brett & Mark leave in 5th and Pops & Jeff depart in 6th into their taxis.

Mel & Erika ask the agency for the same flight as the earlier teams with the Vegas performers and Jeff 2x arriving right behind.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #9 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:36:15 PM »

The six teams are on the same flight. Alyssa & Josiah arrive from their 7th place departure as well as Nick & Mike and Han & Holden. New Yorkers got on the same flight as the first other teams while Bernie & Carrigain are at the 10:55 A.M. flight. They are about 2-3 hours behind. Yikes. "My gut tells me nobody's gonna be on this flight with us." - Bernie

Everyone else but Bernie & Carri boarding the first plane to Denpasar.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #10 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:36:55 PM »

Bernie & Carrigain arrive at the Osaka Int'l Airport. "It ain't over 'til it's over."

Short intro and commercials.

elthemagnifico · « **Reply #11 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:38:22 PM »

4 hours difference from the 1st

i winder how long they actually did the dt in the last leg

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #12 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:39:41 PM »

Quote from: elthemagnifico on March 26, 2025, 08:38:22 PM

4 hours difference from the 1st i winder how long they actually did the dt

Oh wow, only way they survive is if someone quits the Roadblock task.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #13 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:42:11 PM »

We are back with the 1st flight stampeding out into the taxi vans! It's a whirlwind with Scott & Lori getting out of the airport first. Mel & Erika's taxi driver. Brett and Mark can taste and smell the moisture. Bernie & Carrigain arrive just behind at 8:50 A.M. That was quick.

"Your clue will arrive at the rising sun." - Jon. So Bernie & Carri will catch up thanks to the hours of operation.

Everyone claiming tags with Carson & Jack arriving later than usual behind the taxis. Bernie & Carrigain arrive in the nick of time.

Race on an ATV through the jungle to a waterfall to pick up the next clue!

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #14 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:44:27 PM »

Brett & Mark were so focused on winning that they want to have fun this leg.

Jon & Ana take off on the ATV first. Nick & Mike are next in 2nd. "Welcome to the jungle." Mike says this is the coolest activity they've done. Scott & Lori zoom off in 3rd excitedly. Han & Holden get out 4th with Alyssa & Josiah leave 5th. "There's no addresses in the jungle." - Josiah. "This is my jam, this is what I'm used to."

Jeff leave in 6th from the ATV starting point. They are going gingerly across the mud while Jon & Ana are zooming through a cave and trying not to crash.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #15 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:46:38 PM »

Jon & Ana find the waterfall and it's beautiful! They get the clue from the side of the rocks and take off. Brett & Mark leave in 7th from the ATVs. Nick & Mike get to the waterfall clue. Mel & Erika are going in 8th and are shocked they are communicating so well and thought they would be bickering a lot more.

Scott & Lori grab the clue and take off from the waterfall with Lori doing a rockstar gesture. Carson & Jack are living out their Mario Kart fantasies while going through the cave.

Han & Holden get the clue from the falls. Bernie & Carrigain take off in last and Bernie is an adrenaline junkie. Alyssa & Josiah grab the waterfall clue.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #16 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:47:06 PM »

Jon & Ana rip open their clue.

ROUTE INFO: Tampaksiring Rice Fields. Heads up Drivers' Seat ahead!

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #17 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:48:47 PM »

Nick & Mike takeoff behind while Jeff 2x are still roving through the forest. Scott & Lori park and speedily go into their taxi. Mel & Erika get to the waterfall. Han & Holden get into their taxi and Holden says "today you're our taxi. Nobody gets in front of you."

Alyssa & Josiah are going and Alyssa is urging their taxi driver to go as fast as they can. Jeff 2x are in their taxis as Bernie & Carri are grabbing the water fall clue. Mel & Erika and Vegas are heading out in their taxis. Seems like now everyone is out of there.

elthemagnifico · « **Reply #18 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:49:10 PM »

Was hoping the task would be somewhat a little bit less linear but none of the teams struggled a bit

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #19 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:50:01 PM »

Jon & Ana arrive at the rice paddies.

ROADBLOCK: Who thinks they can rice to the occasion?
One team member must thresh 15, 20, or 25 pounds of rice from the stalks. The first team to arrive can assign how much rice each team member has to thresh.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #20 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:50:27 PM »

Jonathan & Ana arrive at the Drivers' Seat is now up to them to assign amounts of everyone.

Commercials.

ghmorello · « **Reply #21 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:51:48 PM »

I'm reminded of Filthy Frank since we got a rice fields challenge.

elthemagnifico · « **Reply #22 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:51:59 PM »

Quote from: RachelLeVega on March 26, 2025, 08:50:01 PM

Jon & Ana arrive at the rice paddies.

ROADBLOCK: Who thinks they can rice to the occasion?
One team member must thresh 15, 20, or 25 pounds of rice from the stalks. The first team to arrive can assign how much rice each team member has to thresh.

Reminds me of TARA 2 Vietnam leg

elthemagnifico · « **Reply #23 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:54:29 PM »

Ngl i like when rb clue and the driver seat are apart from each other, creating a much better consequence for the team who choose the wrong person to do the rb lol

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #24 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:57:21 PM »

We return to Jon & Ana with the first-ever executive decision to make multiple teams mad at them simultaneously.

They give Nick & Mike, Scott & Lori, and Alyssa & Josiah for 25 as they are just behind them. They forget to assign themselves as they inadvertently give Bernie & Carrigain the most with 25 as well. Jon suggests using the Express Pass and Ana agrees. It's done! They get their clue off the hook from seeing other teams' dramatic outbursts. Genius.

ROUTE INFO: Penglipuran Village, the cleanest village in Bali for the next clue box.

Scott & Lori arrive at the rice fields in 2nd. Carson & Jack see Jeff 2x in the taxi in front of them. DnD pass Jeff 2x!!!

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #25 on:** March 26, 2025, 08:59:54 PM »

Scott & Lori see everyone's pound distribution for the rice. Lori is pissed at Jon & Ana that they got assigned the most and she is taking out her aggressions on them at the threshing. Meanwhile, Brett & Mark are lost and references the taxi driver's phone. Mark checks the guy's map app and realizes it's the wrong place typed and they are 42 minutes and 10+ km. out in the wrong direction.

Commercials.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #26 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:02:13 PM »

So John & Jessica, in this specific example,

elthemagnifico · « **Reply #27 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:03:37 PM »

Giving themselved the lightest task only to end up burning teh ex pass

tho im not sure its a good move imo lol

Maanca · « **Reply #28 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:04:21 PM »

That Driver's Seat thing is evil, lol. They get to mess with every other team at once.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #29 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:05:58 PM »

We're back to Vegas course correcting as Alyssa & Josiah, DnD, and Han & Holden arrive at the RB. Jeff 2x arrive after them with the three trailers heading through the fields. "Thank you Jonathan and Ana. /eyeroll in progress/" - Alyssa.

Jeff (younger) is doing the task and isn't discouraged while Scott is wondering Jon & Ana's logic behind their decision. Ana is drinking from a super long straw and is low-key shading John & Jessica in their taxi about not being a team wasting their EP.

Han & Holden reveal their parents were rice farmers as they were growing up and their goal is to make them proud. Lori is spilling the rice everywhere and is getting a weight check. Not even close.

elthemagnifico · « **Reply #30 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:06:30 PM »

Quote from: Maanca on March 26, 2025, 09:04:21 PM

That Driver's Seat thing is evil, lol. They get to mess with every other team at once.

icant imagine what could have been had someone arrived right after jo and anna and witnessed them using the driver seat

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #31 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:10:53 PM »

Nick & Mike need a little less than half more while Melinda & Erika arrive at the fields. Melinda does the RB and is relieved she is only doing 15 lbs. "Burning an Express Pass doesn't help anybody but them." - Scott is still moaning about it.

Meanwhile, Lori finishes the 25 lbs of rice harvesting and is going to the village. "You rocked it babe." - Scott. Nick is still off by a small amount. Bernie & Carrigain arrive in 9th at the fields.

"I'm shook that they gave us 25." - Carrigain. Lori & Scott are vocally frustrated with Jon & Ana as the two arrive at the clue box.

DETOUR: Penjor or Pajegan
In Penjor, teams must decorate a long bamboo pole with offerings and leaves and carry it to a stand across the village to place on display to receive their next clue. In Pajegan, teams must rely on their memory by purchasing fruits in the village and assemble it before walking it to a temple to receive their next clue.

Jonathan wants to pull a Kisha & Jen in the Beijing penultimate at the Detour.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #32 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:12:09 PM »

Scott & Lori arrive at the village and choose Penjor. It's the one Jon & Ana are at. Time for a smackdown.

"I mean, Lori had eight babies. She's superwoman." - Ana.

Commercials.

elthemagnifico · « **Reply #33 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:19:16 PM »

Never mess with angry parents

(well yes Jo and Anna are also parents lol)

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #34 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:19:52 PM »

We're back from ads to Scott & Lori studying the features of the floral penjor and making Jonathan & Ana the social pariahs.

At the RB, everyone still sifting and smacking the stalks in their own ways.

Mike goes for another check and it is approved. He hugs the co-judge and is off with Nick. Han also finishes the RB and leave in 4th. Brett & Mark arrive in last at the RB clue and are going to the fields. Alyssa finishes in 5th and we get the iconic promo fall clip. "You are the toughest woman to have ever run this race." - Josiah.

Mark says they only got 20 lbs and said Jon & Ana didn't think they would be a team that needed to be targeted. Jack tries to get it checked and it's a no. Melinda is also a no.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #35 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:22:30 PM »

Carson & Jack finish and leave in 6th.

Han & Holden and Nick & Mike get to the Detour clue in 3rd and 4th while both do Pajegan. Nick reveals what the details of the clue entails which is counting the correct number of fruits around the offering and buying them from the market. Holden fabricates a story involving all of it and it likely makes it even more confusing?

Alyssa & Josiah arrive at the Detour clue in 5th. They choose Penjor and don't know which way they are going to and miss the sign right next to the box. They are going to Pajegan by misdirection. Carson & Jack arrive and choose Penjor.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #36 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:24:58 PM »

Jack criticizes Jon & Ana's use of the Express Pass at the RB in a confessional, not to their face unfortunately. Lori says this penjor was intricate to work with. Scott & Lori slowly making progress.

Melinda doesn't know if she's close or far. Jeff is still moving while Carrigain is still perusing through the.

Mark loses his right shoe after checking a pan of rice initially. "RIP shoe."

Mel & Erika finish in 7th at the RB and leave. "You killed the RB!" - Erika.

Jeff also finishes and both Jeffs leave in 8th.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #37 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:26:02 PM »

Carrigain and Mark both still working with Mark rushing over to the scale. Brett & Mark are finished with the RB and move up to 9th. Bernie & Carrigain are the only ones left at the RB. "It was just us. I felt like we were done." - Carrigain.

Commercials.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #38 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:31:54 PM »

We come back to Carrigain still sifting through rice niblets and getting the bag checked. It's approved. They leave in last to the village.

Scott & Lori are arguing now at the penjor with Alyssa & Josiah are saying it's trouble in paradise for them.

Carson & Jack also overhear. "There is not love without a passion. And they are passionate." - Jack.

Jon & Ana are getting a check and it's unapproved. They are reviewing their work.

Mel & Erika says Indonesia is their favorite leg because Erika got to see her mom crush a RB. Jeff 2x and Brett & Mark are tail and tail with each other right now.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #39 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:34:20 PM »

Jon & Ana get the penjor approved and put on traditional garbs from the two judges to carry the penjor across town. Scott & Lori making a snarky comment about them being 20 minutes ahead of them in the back.

Jon & Ana walk to the temple front and receive their clue after placing it high in the air.

ROUTE INFO: Pit Stop! Stone temple called Pura Dalem Pelapuan.

Nick & Mike felt like they were walking through people's houses than a bodega in NYC gathering the fruits.

Melinda & Erika choose Penjor in 7th.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #40 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:36:14 PM »

Brett & Mark and Jeff 2x arrive at the Detour clue. They both choose the Penjor as Scott & Lori call for a check and are approved for delivery. "We're gonna walk over these steps because they're humongous." They meet children on the way to the temple grounds.

Bernie & Carrigain arrive in last at the Detour and are doing Penjor. They read the direction on paper for Pajegan by mistake and are going there inadvertently instead.

Scott & Lori place their penjor into the ground are racing to the Pit Stop.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #41 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:37:58 PM »

Carson & Jack also finish in the meantime by surprise while directing Bernie & Carrigain in the somewhat right direction to the penjor.

"I'm never gonna look at a red apple the same." - Han. Nick & Mike and Han & Holden are still picking out fruit from the markets.

Jon & Ana arrive at the Pit Stop and are TEAM NUMBER ONE! They win OneKey Cash from Expedia to Croatia and Montenegro!

elthemagnifico · « **Reply #42 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:39:17 PM »

I believe no one would expect a rivalry between jo & anna and Scott & Lori

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #43 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:39:37 PM »

Alyssa runs up to Josiah about something wrong with their penjor and Josiah says arts & crafts are not their thing. Melinda & Erika are doubting their Detour choice as they see everyone is there. Jeff 2x going back and forth between the example penjor. Brett & Mark are in zen and being present and focused with the penjor assembly.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #44 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:43:35 PM »

Han & Holden and Nick & Mike are starting to assemble their fruits on the altar and having a bit of trouble fitting everything and making it work. Nick & Mike eventually get a check and are approved. Han & Holden call for one and are disapproved.

Nick & Mike figuring out which way to go. Mike says the map is in his bag as both hands are holding onto the fruit altar.

Carson & Jack surprisingly arrive on the Pit Stop mat as TEAM NUMBER TWO and Scott & Lori are TEAM NUMBER THREE. Jack says Jon & Ana didn't make a good move with their Express Pass and the Driver's Seat today and a U-Turn would be detrimental to them.

Bernie & Carrigain realize they are walking the wrong way and begin an argument in a confessional.

"Let's just go wherever you wanna go." Tears and drama.

Phil casting clip and commercials.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #45 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:50:47 PM »

We return from an ad of Phil with Taylor Tomlinson for the late-night show with Bernie & Carrigain going to the Penjor Detour. They see Alyssa & Josiah, Mel & Erika, Jeff 2x, and Brett & Mark and is giving them hope they could still be in it.

Alyssa & Josiah call for a check and are off to drop the penjors off. Meanwhile, Nick & Mike are arriving at the temple with their offering and Mike's altar completely falls apart on the temple woman's face... so do they need to redo it? Yes.

Han & Holden arrive right behind with both offerings in tact.

H&H leave in 4th while Nick & Mike leave in 5th. Brett & Mark's penjor is approved as well as Jeff 2x's.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #46 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:53:45 PM »

Melinda & Erika also finish the penjor and are trying to keep up with the boys. Bernie & Carrigain says they are just figuring out how to tie things together.

Han & Holden and Nick & Mike pass by Alyssa & Josiah dropping off their penjor and receiving the PS clue in 6th. Brett & Mark also get the clue in 7th. Melinda & Erika drop off the penjor and receive their clue in 8th. A lot of teams running together at once asking for directions and whereabouts. Everyone scrambling to find Phil. Melinda & Erika are arguing about directions and running in a different direction as the others.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #47 on:** March 26, 2025, 09:57:48 PM »

Jeff 2x pick up the clue for the Pit Stop in 8th. The relay race run to the parking lot of the entire temple. Whoops. Meanwhile, Melinda & Erika are running through the forest unabashedly and disagreeing with each other. Bernie & Carrigain finish the Detour and receive the clue.

MELINDA & ERIKA ARRIVE ON THE MAT! Oh my gosh! And everyone else funnels in.

MEL & ERIKA IS TEAM NUMBER 4! Alyssa & Josiah are 5, Han & Holden are 6. Nick & Mike, Pops & Jeff, and Brett & Mark fill in 7th, 8th, and 9th. It's pitchforks out for Jonathan & Ana between everyone.

Bernie & Carrigain are last to arrive on the Pit Stop and have been eliminated from the race. Bernie explains they wouldn't be on the race without Carrigain and she showed grace to her. Everything they did they believed was magical.

End credits and stay tuned for scenes from our next episode!

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #48 on:** March 26, 2025, 10:00:19 PM »

NEXT WEEK!

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"Grab one of the voting cards", an open forum vote takes teams by surprise. Uhhh. Not sure how I feel about this twist being back again. And Jonathan feels the heat.

RachelLeVega · « **Reply #49 on:** March 26, 2025, 10:05:32 PM »

A lush and pretty episode with a story arc in the making. Now that tonight's episode is wrapped up, time to open the gates for your comments, assumptions, criticisms, and discussions. Hope tonight has been great for all of you and please feel free to keep the conversations going. All contributions welcome!

ZBC Company · « **Reply #50 on:** March 26, 2025, 10:08:00 PM »

I feel like this leg was a little bit lazy. Most of these tasks we have seen before.

Pi · « **Reply #51 on:** March 27, 2025, 08:54:19 PM »

Driver's Seat is an interesting twist. I assume you must take it if you get there first- otherwise, how would you know how many pounds of rice you need? So, it "penalizes" the team that gets there first, in that they have to make some other teams mad. There's definitely strategy involved, but it could be a long-term negative, especially if there are U-Turns/Yields down the road. Johnathan & Anna may have just scored a Pyrrhic victory.

elthemagnifico · « **Reply #52 on:** March 28, 2025, 10:36:34 PM »

I realized i havent written my thought for this leg

so here it goes.

I do think its an another pretty solid leg, entertainment wise, its stellar, while leg and task stuffs wise is a bit step down from the last leg

Honestly i dont really mind ARI like this task that will make you appreciate that you are lucky to be in TAR, Bali is a gorgeous city, especially in its rural area, and full HD/4k capture + really cool drone and atv shows helps it captivate the beauty of Bali. Fun short task

Now to the RB, while the task itself is fine, i mean, it could have done anywhere in any country that has rice fields. Fun fact: while yes our daily meal is still rice, most of the sacks of rice are imported, and Indonesia isnt an ideal place to farm rice plants with the inconsistent climate and wheather and stuffs. I think its a straightforward labor task that was okay to watch. The farmers/judges were lovely tho.

I honestly think driver seat is a good addition of twist, having them a control to assign teams a workload of the task, i do wonder if its feasible in any other task other than RB tho. And while it's not consequential in terms on having stronger teams struggle to do the task, it is very consequential to become a target on their retaliation, especially since like Johnathan and Anna just made a very questionable decision to burn EP

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that might bite them later

. While yes i do agree that it should have had a non linear task before the driver seat, it might not have mattered since when you use it (and its mandatory as the first team on the spot otherwise you'd have to wait for another team to exercise this twist), you automatically become a target of half ot the feams who are angry at you

The detour itself is def the another highlight of this leg, i actually really like that you have to search to the market nearby and purchase the material needed to assemble the pejagan (or gebogan) instead of just the crews provided them, giving it a good risk.

Overall, good leg. Very entertaining in term of drama, wish the rb showed more of Bali culture showcased anyway.

8/10

Xoruz · « **Reply #53 on:** March 30, 2025, 10:01:18 PM »

This leg was insane in large part due to the teams. The Driver's Seat was particularly evil with how it makes every team mad. Considering the Roadblock was a manual labor task, people had reason to be mad. I do wonder what the consequences will be in future legs as Jonathan & Ana have burned many bridges with not fully thought out decisions. My only gripe was the ATV task before as that was the determining factor for the first team. The final headless chicken scramble after the Detour was also pretty funny. Bernie & Carrigain really became dejected after being the lone team on the second flight and getting 25 pounds. They never had a chance to emotionally recover.

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Author Topic: TAR 37 LIVE STREAMS AND COMMENTARY HERE! EP 4 3/26/2025 8:30-10PM CENTRAL TIME (Read 5020 times)