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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #150 on: November 11, 2009, 10:32:35 AM »
^ However, Dubai I had a FF, which guaranteed the 1st place team from last leg to come in first again this leg. Not a very good design.

I still believe that the Dubai legs could've been easily merged into one super-leg (then again, the Dubai Ministry of Tourism clearly was actively involved in production).

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #151 on: November 11, 2009, 10:45:57 AM »
The Dubai leg was completely linear. Had there been another team right behind Meghan and Cheyne, they may have moved a bit faster and held first.


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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #152 on: November 11, 2009, 11:05:11 AM »
True. Meghan and Cheyne did waste a lot of time at the hookahs.
I think it may be better to completely eliminate the FF from the race.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #153 on: November 11, 2009, 06:29:15 PM »
Yes the Fast Forward needs to go.  It really only served a true purpose in seasons 1-4.  After that it truly became next to meaningless.

In all honest I can't think of a single leg after season 4, where the Fast Forward had a direct impact in a team remaining in the race.

In fact the only real lasting impact ( since the end of season 4) was Terrance & Sarah losing after being the 2nd team to go for a Fast Forward.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #154 on: November 11, 2009, 07:07:40 PM »
Yes the Fast Forward needs to go.  It really only served a true purpose in seasons 1-4.  After that it truly became next to meaningless.

In all honest I can't think of a single leg after season 4, where the Fast Forward had a direct impact in a team remaining in the race.

In fact the only real lasting impact ( since the end of season 4) was Terrance & Sarah losing after being the 2nd team to go for a Fast Forward.

David and Mary.  marked for elimination-fast forward-1st place


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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #155 on: November 11, 2009, 07:57:58 PM »
But look at that leg, do you honestly think they would have been eliminated.  Peter & Sarah were literally hours later then the  next team ad the still hadn't found the detour let along got to the Pit Stop.

Peter 7 Sarah had worst leg in race history for driving such a small distance. No team has even come close to how much time they lost in such a close area to the city.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #156 on: November 11, 2009, 08:11:05 PM »
I don't think it is a valid approach to look at how another team screwed up to determine if one team benefitted from a FAST FORWARD. David and Mary are one of 3 teams (note that feedback on Uchenna/Joyce AR11, ep. 5 and Eric/Danielle AR11. ep. 10) in Amazing Race history to not be eliminated after being MARKED FOR ELIMINATION. That happened primarily because they were hours ahead due to the FAST FORWARD, which allowed them to avoid the 30 minute penalty which in close episodes sends teams to their doom. We will never know if David and Mary would have screwed up in navigation around Kuwait City because they did not get the opportunity to do the crucial DETOUR, but we know for sure they finished first that AR10 leg. Note that their navigation in AR11 was faulty enough to put them in jeopardy by turning right toward San Pedro de Atacama at the unmarked fork  in the second episode and to totally screw up in the third episode, so the potential to have underperformed navigating around Kuwait City was real.
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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #157 on: November 11, 2009, 08:23:44 PM »
Very True apskip, but there is a very large difference.  In season 10 they relied heavily upon two teams Erwin & Godwin and Lynn & Karlynn now if David & Mary hadn't taken the Fast Forward Dustin & Kandice or Erwin & Godwin were keen on going for it.

If they hadn't done it they most likely would have stayed grouped with which ever "Six Pack" team would have let them.

And even taking the last team, that still would have let them complete said tasks and take the 30 minute penalty and still beat two teams at the mat.  And since the last team was over 4 hours later before getting (according to interviews) directed (they had never found it using locals or on their own) to the Detour to get the clue to head to the Pit Stop.  I think it is very safe to say that it is unlikely that David & Mary would have lost that much time (in fact since they never did find the location of the detour, without production help, Peter & Sarah could have been out there hours upon hours longer).

While it is true that it is mathematically possible that Peter & Sarah would have eventually found in and completed the detour and found the Pit Stop and that David & Mary would have been later, it isn't likely.

Again in 15 cycles no team has ever been as lost (or lost as much time) as Peter & Sarah when being so close to the city they were supposed to be in (at least 8 full hours).  It hasn't happened.  Hell they lost more time then any team that have been lost when driving across multiple countries.  In fact while many teams have gone further off course (Debbie & Bianca, Meredith & Maria and Lake & Michelle as poster children for this), None lost as much time.

And only one other team (and this was over some distance) that I recall ever got directed by production to their destination (first season's Paul & Amie in the desert), though I don't know how much time they in fact had lost.
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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #158 on: November 11, 2009, 08:28:23 PM »
Oh and I don't know if you meant it the way you worded it (because as you certainly know, I do that all the time), but this statement, "David and Mary are the only team in Amazing Race history that I know of to not be eliminated after being MARKED FOR ELIMINATION" isn't true.

The very next season Eric & Danielle were marked for Elimination, suffered the a Yield and the 30 minute penalty and weren't eliminated.

In fact, after removing the time of the penalty and the estimated (20 to 30 minute) yield, they did all the tasks of that day faster then any team (Dustin & Kandice made a very good choice on who to try and Yield both times).

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #159 on: November 11, 2009, 08:30:39 PM »
Oh and on the general topic.  I actually liked that penalty for the non elimination the best out of every one the show has had.

I hated both forms of mugging, I disliked that early seasons it was just a start as normal, and I like it better then a speed bump.  It was far, and equal.


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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #160 on: November 11, 2009, 09:46:10 PM »
I think also Uchenna and Joyce survived a marking in  All-Stars.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #161 on: November 11, 2009, 10:02:46 PM »
I think also Uchenna and Joyce survived a marking in  All-Stars.
Yes you are right, that truly loop sided leg, really gave them just a bit of a cushion to work with.  Oh like 12 hours or something.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #162 on: November 11, 2009, 10:22:04 PM »
Oh and on the general topic.  I actually liked that penalty for the non elimination the best out of every one the show has had.

I hated both forms of mugging, I disliked that early seasons it was just a start as normal, and I like it better then a speed bump.  It was far, and equal.

I prefer TBC without airport bunchings (or any for mid-leg). If the teams are too bunched, this could pose a problem for the team marked for elimination.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #163 on: November 12, 2009, 06:01:02 PM »
Caelestor,

I do not understand what you might by "If the teams are too bunched, this could pose a problem for the team marked for elimination."  You apparently are saying that if the teams all leave the bunched condition at close to the same time, then a Marked for Elimination team will be at a disadvntage. According to my logic, that is precisely when a Marked for Elimination team has the best chance of getting ahead of at least one team by 30 minutes. When teams are less bunched then fewer teams start just more than 30 minutes than the Marked for Elimination team. There is clearly LESS opportunity for that team to when teams are less bunched.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #164 on: November 13, 2009, 05:33:27 PM »
Sorry apskip, by bunching I meant tasks like luck roadblocks. Now that I look at it again, the MFE penalty is actually quite fair, since it makes teams strive for first instead of aiming for the middle. Plus, it saves the cost of setting up an extraneous task.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #165 on: November 16, 2009, 12:54:31 PM »
Draw your own conclusions.
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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #166 on: November 16, 2009, 02:52:09 PM »
Draw your own conclusions.

Agree 100%.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #167 on: November 16, 2009, 07:12:47 PM »
Wow, that's a lot of flights. I think TPTB has chosen the "direct flight" approach (almost every single flight this season has been non-stop). The only flight that doesn't scream bunching was Amsterdam to Stockholm.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #168 on: November 17, 2009, 12:31:28 AM »
Draw your own conclusions.
TPTB should be ashamed  :ascared but I'm done complaining about TAR because I never want it to end and don't want to jinx it  :hearts:

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #169 on: November 17, 2009, 12:50:25 AM »
Off-topic, but why is there a black cloud over Europe? :colors


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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #170 on: November 17, 2009, 01:03:54 AM »
I think its just the bordering of the names and lines. Europe was just so connection heavy it comes out as a black cloud.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #171 on: November 17, 2009, 01:37:37 AM »
TPTB had a lot of money to spend back then.

Based on the flights, I think TAR 2 should have had one leg in Europe (for a six-continent race!).
The leg in Maui should've become part of the finale, with Alaska gone.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #172 on: November 17, 2009, 06:25:50 AM »
Have they had a race that doesn't cross into the Southern Hemisphere before? (Besides FE of course.)

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #173 on: November 17, 2009, 07:12:48 AM »
Draw your own conclusions.

Agree 100%.

I didn't really realize how much bunching there was this season until Neobie showed us his amazing maps.

And yes, then it suddenly struck me and made me realized Phil was always doing the voiceover of -

Teams #1, #2, #3 are flying to ____ via ____.
Teams #4, #5, #6 are flying to ____ via ____.
Teams #7, #8, #9 are flying to ____ via ____.

There are always so many different connecting points, but teams always ended up on the same place almost at the same time.

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Re: Why the Amazing Race has lost its magic
« Reply #174 on: November 17, 2009, 07:44:35 AM »
Have they had a race that doesn't cross into the Southern Hemisphere before? (Besides FE of course.)

Not too significant trends here, but it seems to be happening more frequently...

TAR 3 (Southernmost point: Singapore 1°N)
TAR 6 (Southernmost point: Galle 6°N)
TAR 12 (Southernmost point: Ouagadougou 12°N)
TAR 14 (Southernmost point: Phuket 7°N)
TAR 15 (Southernmost point: Ho Chi Minh City 10°N)