Topic: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers

[DavidJunior]

i think that if its common knowledge that eliminated teams generally travel with production staff

and if the reported sightings of T/V getting onto a plane with the production staff are true

then i think it's safe to say that T/V get Philiminated before the final leg

[Ruth]

Ahhh noooooo don't let Tammy and Victor be eliminated! Hmm but I'm kinda getting either a second or fourth-place vibe from them.

[TexasLady]

I am totally confused now. I'm fairly new to TAR so I'm not up to speed on NEL's, buying tickets for the camera people etc. etc. but it does seem odd that T/V would be on the same plane as Phil. OTOH, he wasn't talking to them, so....

[Ashe]

I am totally confused now. I'm fairly new to TAR so I'm not up to speed on NEL's, buying tickets for the camera people etc. etc. but it does seem odd that T/V would be on the same plane as Phil. OTOH, he wasn't talking to them, so....

If they were in that close proximity with him, they've gotta be decoys, whether they actually directly interacted or not.  I'd believe they weren't if they weren't anywhere near Phil, or were on a flight with at least one other team.  Still, the penultimate episode will help determine which is the case, so I can't wait to see what it'll have to say.

[TARAsia Fan]

Usually, Phil tries to fly ahead to the next destination ahead of the teams so he can tape his introductions to the Road Block, Detour and Pit Stop. However, sometimes the teams do catch up. It's rare but it does happen. Do teams often interact with Phil at locations other than the mat? No, but maybe this was one of those rare oddities when Tammy & Victor actually caught up with BVM and Phil. You never know.

[Belle Book]

Usually, Phil tries to fly ahead to the next destination ahead of the teams so he can tape his introductions to the Road Block, Detour and Pit Stop. However, sometimes the teams do catch up. It's rare but it does happen. Do teams often interact with Phil at locations other than the mat? No, but maybe this was one of those rare oddities when Tammy & Victor actually caught up with BVM and Phil. You never know.

You're right in saying that it might be just one of those rare oddities, TARAsia Fan, and I don't want Tammy & Victor to be Philiminated any more than you do (especially if this puts Mark & Michael in the finale), but I kind of doubt that it's the case.  LaKisha & Jen are probably eliminated in Guillin and Tammy & Victor are most likely (although not definitively) eliminated in Beijing.  A pity.

Belle Book

[Snooky]

Usually, Phil tries to fly ahead to the next destination ahead of the teams so he can tape his introductions to the Road Block, Detour and Pit Stop. However, sometimes the teams do catch up. It's rare but it does happen. Do teams often interact with Phil at locations other than the mat? No, but maybe this was one of those rare oddities when Tammy & Victor actually caught up with BVM and Phil. You never know.

In season 9 in Italy, BJ and Tyler were ahead of Phil, and Eric and Jeremy were with him.  Phil was almost too late for BJ and Tyler at the mat.

[DavidJunior]

Usually, Phil tries to fly ahead to the next destination ahead of the teams so he can tape his introductions to the Road Block, Detour and Pit Stop. However, sometimes the teams do catch up. It's rare but it does happen. Do teams often interact with Phil at locations other than the mat? No, but maybe this was one of those rare oddities when Tammy & Victor actually caught up with BVM and Phil. You never know.

In season 9 in Italy, BJ and Tyler were ahead of Phil, and Eric and Jeremy were with him.  Phil was almost too late for BJ and Tyler at the mat.

Were Eric/Jeremy just on the same plane as Phil, or were they travelling with him?

What I got from the spoiler, Tammy/Victor were travelling with Phil and that group, not coincidentally on the same flight

[Snooky]

Usually, Phil tries to fly ahead to the next destination ahead of the teams so he can tape his introductions to the Road Block, Detour and Pit Stop. However, sometimes the teams do catch up. It's rare but it does happen. Do teams often interact with Phil at locations other than the mat? No, but maybe this was one of those rare oddities when Tammy & Victor actually caught up with BVM and Phil. You never know.

In season 9 in Italy, BJ and Tyler were ahead of Phil, and Eric and Jeremy were with him.  Phil was almost too late for BJ and Tyler at the mat.

Were Eric/Jeremy just on the same plane as Phil, or were they travelling with him?

What I got from the spoiler, Tammy/Victor were travelling with Phil and that group, not coincidentally on the same flight

They were just on the same plane. 

[TARAsia Fan]

If I remember right, the teams were in coach while Phil was in First Class.

[littlewop]

Are we absolutely positive that the person who gave RFF the spoiler is 100% reliable?  Remember that we had spoilers about the deaf "girl" in the race, I believe it was Jen, that they had pictures to support and everything.  If they are indeed decoys, why have them travel with production?  Kind of gives it away.

                                                             

[Snooky]

Are we absolutely positive that the person who gave RFF the spoiler is 100% reliable?  Remember that we had spoilers about the deaf "girl" in the race, I believe it was Jen, that they had pictures to support and everything.  If they are indeed decoys, why have them travel with production?  Kind of gives it away.

                                                            

We might as well use what we have, unless we have a spoiler against it...  They HAVE to have economy tickets.

If I remember right, the teams were in coach while Phil was in First Class.

Phil always gets his great comforts!

[puddin]

Are we absolutely positive that the person who gave RFF the spoiler is 100% reliable?  Remember that we had spoilers about the deaf "girl" in the race, I believe it was Jen, that they had pictures to support and everything.  If they are indeed decoys, why have them travel with production?  Kind of gives it away.

                                                            

The info comes from this blogger. I can't see her/him making this up .......

oh BOY!!!

From a blog dated 11/25 but describing events that occured 11/21-23 as best as I can tell: Starts at Beijing airport!

Three airlines, twelve “customer service” representatives and multiple people yelling at each other in Mandarin later we found ourselves on an Air China flight back to Tokyo.  We’re still not sure why or what they were screaming but it seemed to be the norm for the airport.  That said, it was a lovely airport.

During this ordeal we couldn’t help but notice two groups of travelers flashing American passports being flanked by their own teams of cameramen looking a little too giddy to be at the airport in Beijing at 8am. Oddly enough, it seems that we found ourselves in the middle of  CBS’ “Amazing Race” with two teams on our flight.  Without giving too much away, I can assure you that all of the panic and suspense of the actual show comes from some really great editing.  On this particular day we found ourselves watching the double mint twins in matching sweatshirts, bleached teeth and badly dyed red hair preen the entire time for the cameras.
M had to remind me a few times that something are better thought than said aloud and that when calling people “twits” and such it’s best to do it at a volume they can’t hear you.

Forthunately the flight itself wasn’t bad as a nap and bag of M&Ms calmed me down considerable after being cut in front of by the camera crew multiple times had me rather annoyed.

Still we had quite a ways to go and even bumped into the host Phil Keoghan as he waited for his flight to film the finale in Hawaii.  It’s important to note that the running, fighting and begging for seats that you see on TV didn’t really happen and oh yeah, Phil flies business class.

[TARAsia Fan]

That was it. Phil was in Business Class. It appears everyone caught up with Phil/BVM. I'm going to say Tammy & Victor are not eliminated and are in the Final 3.

[Moo]

Looks like Phil and BVM would be running the race with the actual teams for the finals... 

I think M/M are toast in Guilin... The Bangkok leg doesn't look good for them.
plus, they don't look like people who would argue outside and make a commotion out of it as the last third team.

Jen/Kiesha gets the 4th place boot most probably in Beijing (First time that a fourth place did not get enough edit?)

T/V most probably would be the first team on the penultimate leg, followed closely by Jaime/Cara, and trailed by Margie/Luke for a longer time, thus J/C w/o M/L seeing T/V quarrel for flights out of Beijing, and when they leave Beijing earlier, C/J just spoils the information to Margie/Luke. It seems to be the most logical reasoning. Everyone meets in Tokyo Airport for the Hawaii flight... 

Plus, the word traveling means many things in the spoiler, it may be identified as on the same plane as well...

I second the motion with Ken that T/V is one of the final 3!

[apskip]

Mooyou,
If you have watched past Amazing Races, one of the things you come to expect as a given, unless a team is lagging too far behind to be bunched with the other two teams, is that World Race Productions forces all 3 teams onto the same flight to the destination. Now, since Honolulu to Kahului, Maui has flights every 20 minutes throughout the day, the Honolulu segment effectively becomes that flight. I expect out of Tokyo all teams will be on the same flight, which is in complete agreeement with your thinking. Now, there are 9 daily nonstop flights from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu so I am not sure how WRP is going to acoomplish it this time. But you can be assured that they will, as they want all teams to be equal as they arrive at the final place. It brings much more drama to the Finale. What happens from Beijing to Narita is irrelevant as long as a team does not fall too far behind.

[Moo]

Mooyou,
If you have watched past Amazing Races, one of the things you come to expect as a given, unless a team is lagging too far behind to be bunched with the other two teams, is that World Race Productions forces all 3 teams onto the same flight to the destination. Now, since Honolulu to Kahului, Maui has flights every 20 minutes throughout the day, the Honolulu segment effectively becomes that flight. I expect out of Tokyo all teams will be on the same flight, which is in complete agreeement with your thinking. Now, there are 9 daily nonstop flights from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu so I am not sure how WRP is going to acoomplish it this time. But you can be assured that they will, as they want all teams to be equal as they arrive at the final place. It brings much more drama to the Finale. What happens from Beijing to Narita is irrelevant as long as a team does not fall too far behind.

apskip, I also think that they'ed be bunched up in Tokyo, but what I was saying in my previous post is one of I think a reason for Cara/Jaime to say that there is a third team fighting with each other to Margie/Luke, which could probably "prove" Tammy/Victor's "exsitence" still in the game hopefully.. although I may be wrong, because this spoiler made waves...  Could C/J and M/L were just lost in Narita Terminal 1? (But I don't really know since I myself couldn't tell cause I haven't been to Japan), but sadly, we probably wouldn't know what the actual scenes are unless from the interviews, since BVM is cutting almost all airport scenes this season.

What comes after Tokyo/Hawaii flight will only be seen during the race itself, unless some spoilers would again float in the forums... 

[TexasLady]

That was it. Phil was in Business Class. It appears everyone caught up with Phil/BVM. I'm going to say Tammy & Victor are not eliminated and are in the Final 3.

Mooyou,
If you have watched past Amazing Races, one of the things you come to expect as a given, unless a team is lagging too far behind to be bunched with the other two teams, is that World Race Productions forces all 3 teams onto the same flight to the destination. Now, since Honolulu to Kahului, Maui has flights every 20 minutes throughout the day, the Honolulu segment effectively becomes that flight. I expect out of Tokyo all teams will be on the same flight, which is in complete agreeement with your thinking. Now, there are 9 daily nonstop flights from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu so I am not sure how WRP is going to acoomplish it this time. But you can be assured that they will, as they want all teams to be equal as they arrive at the final place. It brings much more drama to the Finale. What happens from Beijing to Narita is irrelevant as long as a team does not fall too far behind.

You both make a lot of sense. This clears up a lot for me.

[TARAsia Fan]

They won't show the scenes of Tammy & Victor commiserating with Phil on the show, but maybe they will on the insider clips. It's something to look for.

[makz3d]

As you all know, RFF first brought you the info about C/J on the flight from Beijing on towards Hawaii.

<SNIP>
Aside from the camera crew cutting in various lines and being a touch rude, I don't honestly remember much else aside from the fact that the cheerleaders were glad another team was fighting and said as much to the Mom/son team. I will say I was surprised at how open the crew was about needing to get certain shots like "the waiting for the plane door to close shot."

Those two teams split in a different direction once we left the plane in Tokyo as we went for our (personal info removed) flight and they went to Hawaii (overheard them saying) and they went onward.

We then came across Phil at the JAL transfer desk in Tokyo. He was actually traveling with Tammy/Victor and BVM. insert: They were ahead of us in line.

<SNIP>

The crew and such traveling with Phil/BVM/Tammy/Victor were considerably nicer than the ones on her flight and were discussing how they had been celebrating someone's birthday a few days prior and someone had accidentally ruined the surprise cake by letting the secret slip. 

Once past the transfer desk we had to go downstairs to the Bus station to transfer to another Terminal where we again came across Phil and Tammy/Victor. We rode the bus with them to the other terminal and then lost them in the chaos that is Narita airport. <SNIP>

The blogger said that the 2 teams split in a different direction than the blogger was going.  Then the blogger come across T/V and Phil & BVM and crew.  It seems to me that either M/L & J/C were going to Hawaii on a different flight.  Or maybe they to the plane and didn't need to stop at the transfer.  I've only flown once and that was overseas 30 years ago.  So I don't know about needing transfers and such.

The other thing is it appears T/V were in one the discussion about the birthday party.  It almost sounds like something with production and that's where T/V had been.  I have a feeling T/V are decoys except that the 5th place team didn't seem to be with production.  Although is Phil and BVM considered production?  Maybe the 5th place team was already in Hawaii along with the Eliminated teams and that's where Kisha started the laughing at Preston because of the bungee cord.

[DavidJunior]

did we see J/C or M/L get on the same flight to Hawaii as T/V?

i don't remember reading that, but i could be mistaken

if they are susposed to be on the same flight, and since we don't have any spoilers of C/J or M/L getting on the T/V flight, I think that T/V being decoys is still a major possibility

[Moo]

The crew and such traveling with Phil/BVM/Tammy/Victor were considerably nicer than the ones on her flight and were discussing how they had been celebrating someone's birthday a few days prior and someone had accidentally ruined the surprise cake by letting the secret slip. 

...

The other thing is it appears T/V were in one the discussion about the birthday party.  It almost sounds like something with production and that's where T/V had been.  I have a feeling T/V are decoys except that the 5th place team didn't seem to be with production.  Although is Phil and BVM considered production?  Maybe the 5th place team was already in Hawaii along with the Eliminated teams and that's where Kisha started the laughing at Preston because of the bungee cord.

The birthday party are being discussed by the production that WRP has. Not along with Phil or BVM. It was posted several paragraphs there that Phil DID NOT INTERACT WITH ANYONE ELSE EXCEPT BVM... The phrase "traveling with Phil/BVM/Tammy/Victor" is used as a function of noun (Indirect Object?), but the main subject in the paragraph above are the CREW AND SUCH (PRODUCTION).

[Moo]

did we see J/C or M/L get on the same flight to Hawaii as T/V?

i don't remember reading that, but i could be mistaken

if they are susposed to be on the same flight, and since we don't have any spoilers of C/J or M/L getting on the T/V flight, I think that T/V being decoys is still a major possibility

We actually don't see them all together in a flight - based on the spoiler, but who knows? This is a rare occurrence that we actually get to see Phil and every team on the same airport and on the same time.Phil's usually ahead by 12 hours to a day, in this case, they'll be racing as the teams themselves race unless production halts teams for racing at the Honolulu-Maui airport.

T/V may or may not be decoys, but I'm lining with that they're not decoys...

[littlewop]

Are we absolutely positive that the person who gave RFF the spoiler is 100% reliable?  Remember that we had spoilers about the deaf "girl" in the race, I believe it was Jen, that they had pictures to support and everything.  If they are indeed decoys, why have them travel with production?  Kind of gives it away.

                                                             

When I questioned the spoiler, it was not meant as "this person lied, or fabricated something"  but rather could it have been a case of mistaken identity?  I'd have felt better if there were pictures included.  Plus decoys or not, I still can't see Phil & co. traveling with the racers.  Not much of a decoy if you are with production.

[TARAsia Fan]

I don't think we were saying you implied that, LW, it just got us to thinking again. With no episode this week, we have a lot of time to speculate.