Post by: puddin on November 02, 2008, 09:46:29 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 02, 2008, 09:49:43 PM
Hopefully we can find out more details to confirm. :wohoo:
Saturday, November 1, 2008
From Flip-Flops to Snow Shoes
Matty left last night. We all went to the airport to see him off. He had two bags packed solid, and a carry-on with 10 hours worth of books and music. His seat assignment: 38E--the absolute center of the plane in a center seat for t-e-n hours. He left in jeans and a t-shirt, and tied to his bag, was a snow jacket and zip-up fleece. This California boy is trading in his flip-flops for the snowy slopes of Switzerland. Davos, Switzerland to be exact. He will be blogging about his journey, so check it out when you can. He already has a few stories, including running into the Amazing Race contestants at the Frankfurt airport!
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 02, 2008, 10:10:39 PM
Saturday, November 1, 2008
Day One- Sorry it is so long!
Wow, I am finally here and it is freezing! What a day God gave me today. It started with a wonderful send off in Portland with my family and Kirsten; incredibly blessed to have them in my life. I had a direct flight from Portland to Frankfurt, Germany and sat next to a sweet elderly lady that literally talked to me every moment I was either awake or had my headphones off. She and her husband are on the tail end of their 20 year traveling time or experience or however you'd like to word it. And yes, I said 20 years, they have basically spent my entire life traveling! She proceeded to tell me stories from Africa, Australia, China...Fiji, Argentina, Peru...you get the picture. I was able to sleep for the first two hours of the flight, then I watched the new Indiana Jones movie (not all that good) and Leatherheads (also not very good); so I talked with my new friend most of each movie.
Once I hit Frankfurt, I realized two things that I immediately regretted not bringing. A watch would have come in quite handy walking through an airport where there are virtually no clocks. Plus, my phone couldn't find service so I couldn't use it as a source of time. So I sat down on my computer thinking I could check my email and Skype some people and 10 minutes into using my computer it dies. Where's my power cord? In my checked luggage...fantastic. I was able to reach my lovely mother, however. I decided just to walk to my gate and hang out there and read until my flight boarded, but to my surprise I had the Amazing Race in my waiting room and on my flight. There were 7 teams of two hanging around being interviewed by the crew with their huge cameras and all. Lucky me I was the only one in the whole crowd they decided to interview! So I had two teams come up to me with their camera crew and talk to me about who I am, where I'm from, and a ton of other random questions. I had to fill out a release form so they could put me on TV and everything! Pretty crazy, right?
Post by: puddin on November 02, 2008, 10:15:13 PM
Hi Guys, I Read It In The Amazing Race Wiki: I live in Ticino, the southern part of Switzerland. Today I saw two separate groups of two people with backpacks running around town, followed by a cameraman and a 4th person. I noticed they were speaking American English.
This was especially strange because I normally hear American-accented English perhaps once or twice a month, even though this place is pretty touristy. Additionally, I saw these Americans talking to a PRIEST outside of church and being filmed doing so. Seriously, what tourists talk to a priest (on camera)? :yess:
So... One Of The Destinations Is Locarno, Switzerland. :tup:
Is the Amazing Race in Locarno, Ticino? (date posted Nov 1 2008, )
SwissMiss08
Is the Amazing Race in Locarno, Ticino?
Yesterday, 4:48 PM EDT
I live in Ticino, the southern part of Switzerland. Today I saw two separate groups of two people with backpacks running around town, followed by a cameraman and a 4th person. I noticed they were speaking American English.
This was especially strange because I normally hear American-accented English perhaps once or twice a month, even though this place is pretty touristy. Additionally, I saw these Americans talking to a PRIEST outside of church and being filmed doing so. Seriously, what tourists talk to a priest (on camera)?
Short of waiting for season 14 to air, is there any way to find out if this was, in fact, the Amazing Race.
venzin77 RE: Is the Amazing Race in Locarno, Ticino?
Today, 3:52 PM EST
Yes the amazing race is in Switzerland y help one couple, y make police man job.
Mornig in Locarno, train Station, y help the couple Dustin & Kandice to go in Verzasca Valley. You see the the show and you see my ..... :)
Wiki/Wetpaint (http://amazingrace.wetpaint.com/thread/2031565/Is+the+Amazing+Race+in+Locarno,+Ticino%3F?t=anon)
Post by: puddin on November 02, 2008, 10:33:53 PM
:jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy:
Post by: michael on November 02, 2008, 10:44:23 PM
Awesome find Mrs Shrek! And don't listen to her, I deserve no credit it was all Mrs Shreks doing!!
:jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy:
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Mornig in Locarno, train Station, y help the couple Dustin & Kandice to go in Verzasca Valley. You see the the show and you see my .....
what?!
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 02, 2008, 10:47:43 PM
And don't listen to her, I deserve no credit it was all Mrs Shreks doing!!
:neener: La la la. I'm not listening....I've given credit where credit is due - the second blog was def a team effort :kuss:
so what you gonna do? Ban me? LOL :meow:
:angel:
Post by: puddin on November 02, 2008, 10:56:25 PM
Sounds like hes a fan of the show Michael and perhaps helped 2 girls? He says hes a cop and heres his profile pic (http://i33.[banned image hosting site].com/bcw09.jpg)QuoteMornig in Locarno, train Station, y help the couple Dustin & Kandice to go in Verzasca Valley. You see the the show and you see my .....
what?!
You know that can never happen Mrs Shrek :lol: :hugs: :kuss:
so what you gonna do? Ban me? LOL :meow:
:angel:
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 03, 2008, 03:32:54 AM
The sister's blog posted on Nov 1 at 4:25pm says that Matt left 'last night'. In the family photo on her blog the bro-in-law is wearing a watch that someone might be able to read - it looks like 1:50 to me, :duno: which suggests Matty departed early evening, which may help work out approx what time he arrived in Frankfurt on the Saturday.
Matty had a had a direct flight from Portland (Oregon I think) to Frankfurt, Germany which took 10 hours. On arrival in Frankfurt it is assumed he went pretty directly to his next gate to 'hang out there and read until his flight boarded', after his laptop ran out of battery power (about 10 mins). The 7 AR teams were already at the gate, and were on his next flight to Zurich. While there are a number of different airlines that fly to Zurich from Frankfurt, only the Lufthansa/SwissAir codeshare flights seem to be non stop, and as they fly regularly thru the day, and as the flight only takes about 55 mins, I can't imagine the teams choosing one of the other airlines with their longer layovers unless they had to, but someone else may come up with a viable alternative....
Matty's blog was posted after he had arrived in Zurich and met the rest of the team at 11am (I assume that would have to be PST, which equates to about 8pm Weston European Time?) which should help narrow the window for pinpointing what flight the teams could have been on (assuming I've interpreted the data correctly)
Post by: Neobie on November 03, 2008, 06:25:49 AM
Hmm, a 7/4 split for the first flight?
The Portland > Frankfurt plane is simply the reverse of TAR 13's final flight, isn't it? That's LH469, departing at 1.35pm to 9.05am the next day, a flight duration of 10h 30min. Portland, Maine doesn't have a direct flight to Frankfurt - and it'd take a much shorter time too if it did!
Only Lufthansa and Swiss Air for the Frankfurt > Zurich leg, and it looks like they're running codeshare. Here're the possible options:
LH5052/LX1071, 1015-1120
LH3726/LX3605, 1200-1255
LH3728/LX3607, 1305-1400
And... There're plenty of trains (departure times differ by less than an hour) from Zurich Airport to Locarno, taking a little over 3 hours with a couple of connections. They'd be able to make it there the same day, albeit in the afternoon. First one gets them in at 1606, provided they can hop on by 1147.
Frankfurt is the airport serving the most destinations worldwide. Not much hope of finding where they start, eh? But if we assume it's straight from the US to Frankfurt, we have the following 21 cities as candidates, with all flights getting in before noon:
The good news? Looks like the LA flight gets in too late for the racers to be lounging around before Matty gets to Frankfurt!
Lufthansa: Atlanta (1810-0900), Boston (1635-0525), Chicago (1433-0545, 1545-0710, 1848-1015), Dallas (1620-0905), Denver (1715-1100), Detroit (1810-0755), Houston (1630-0905), Los Angeles (1435-1025), Miami (1605-0650), New York (1550-0525, 2145-1110), Newark (1810-0750), Orlando (2030-1125), Philadelphia (1635-0615, 1805-0805), Portland (1335-0905), San Francisco (1348-0945, 1430-1020), Seattle (1455-1005), Washington DC (1722-0710, 1750-0730, 1914-0915, 2155-1140)
*deep breath*
United: Chicago (1433-0545, 1545-0710, 1848-1015), San Francisco (1348-0945, 1430-1020), Washington DC (1722-0710, 1750-0730, 1914-0915, 2155-1140)
American: Chicago (1930-1105), Dallas (1445-0705)
Delta: Atlanta (1635-0740), Cincinnati (1925-0955), New York (1910-0930)
Northwest: Detroit (1710-0720)
Continental: Newark (1915-0915)
US Airways: Charlotte (2015-1050), Philadelphia (1635-0615)
Singapore: New York (2100-1050)
Post by: puddin on November 03, 2008, 10:30:31 AM
From: SwissMiss08
I first approached the plaza piazza sant'antonio around 6pm (it gets dark here around 5:30pm now). It is a little plaza in the old city (citta vecchia) which has some parking spots. I tried to park my car and was waved away. And there was a priest standing in front of the church, outside. They did not appear to have been standing there for long. It looked like they were just getting set up.
I drove past, parked, and walked back past around 6:15. I saw a team, a short woman and a tall man with backpacks, frantically talking to the priest (or perhaps frantically talking to each other near the priest). The woman was the one talking. They may have been middle aged, not sure, I was never very close.
The restaurant I was heading to was closed until 7pm, so I turned around and walked past the church/plaza again, this time only the priest and a few others were standing around. I went down to the Piazza Grande and sat in a bar waiting for the restaurant to open.
Around 7, I was again heading up towards the plaza AGAIN when we were passed by a team heading down the street, towards the vicinity of the Piazza Grande or the castle, we thought. This team was two younger people (early to mid 20s). I think the woman I saw was blond, but not sure. She was definitely pretty and tall - guessing 5'9 or more. The "producer" (ie 4th person in group, not carrying a backpack or camera) stopped her to adjust her shirt or necklace as they walked down the street.
After this second encounter we figured out it was the amazing race, so we walked back to the plaza, yet AGAIN after dinner around 8:45. The plaza was empty, no priest. But all the parking spots were cordoned off. This was not the case previously. So we wondered if more teams were coming, and the "priest" had just gone inside to get warm.
We then walked down to the Piazza Grande and the Castle, but neither of those locations was in use.
Post by: puddin on November 03, 2008, 12:13:56 PM
Van Munster, who is currently scouting locations in Asia for the 14th season, ...
Post by: puddin on November 03, 2008, 12:19:18 PM
QuoteAny underground news?Nope; if anybody knows, he (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/3AB/448) does.
Craig ForrestWorld Savvy Film/TV/Media Producer-Director
Greater Los Angeles Area
Craig Forrest’s Experience
Travel Coordinator
World Race Productions
(Broadcast Media industry)
July 2008 — Present (5 months)
• "The Amazing Race 14" (Jerry Bruckheimer Television/Touchstone Television/CBS Network).
and Craigs resume (http://www.craigforrest.com/) :tup:
Post by: Slowhatch on November 03, 2008, 06:55:27 PM
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Countries on Hit List: Nepal, Laos, Brunei, Tahiti, Fiji, Jamaica, Bermuda, Uruguay, Paraguay, Belize
Post by: georgiapeach on November 03, 2008, 07:45:42 PM
I like this guy--he seems to have a great sense of humor...
AND he owns a kilt! :angel: :-[ :angel:
Post by: patlini on November 03, 2008, 07:49:47 PM
Post by: Chateau d If on November 04, 2008, 11:39:01 AM
The first spoiler of a season is always what gets me jumpy and breathless! You guys are great!
Hmm, a 7/4 split for the first flight?
The Portland > Frankfurt plane is simply the reverse of TAR 13's final flight, isn't it? That's LH469, departing at 1.35pm to 9.05am the next day, a flight duration of 10h 30min. Portland, Maine doesn't have a direct flight to Frankfurt - and it'd take a much shorter time too if it did!
Only Lufthansa and Swiss Air for the Frankfurt > Zurich leg, and it looks like they're running codeshare. Here're the possible options:
LH5052/LX1071, 1015-1120
LH3726/LX3605, 1200-1255
LH3728/LX3607, 1305-1400
And... There're plenty of trains (departure times differ by less than an hour) from Zurich Airport to Locarno, taking a little over 3 hours with a couple of connections. They'd be able to make it there the same day, albeit in the afternoon. First one gets them in at 1606, provided they can hop on by 1147.
Frankfurt is the airport serving the most destinations worldwide. Not much hope of finding where they start, eh? But if we assume it's straight from the US to Frankfurt, we have the following 21 cities as candidates, with all flights getting in before noon:
The good news? Looks like the LA flight gets in too late for the racers to be lounging around before Matty gets to Frankfurt!
Lufthansa: Atlanta (1810-0900), Boston (1635-0525), Chicago (1433-0545, 1545-0710, 1848-1015), Dallas (1620-0905), Denver (1715-1100), Detroit (1810-0755), Houston (1630-0905), Los Angeles (1435-1025), Miami (1605-0650), New York (1550-0525, 2145-1110), Newark (1810-0750), Orlando (2030-1125), Philadelphia (1635-0615, 1805-0805), Portland (1335-0905), San Francisco (1348-0945, 1430-1020), Seattle (1455-1005), Washington DC (1722-0710, 1750-0730, 1914-0915, 2155-1140)
*deep breath*
United: Chicago (1433-0545, 1545-0710, 1848-1015), San Francisco (1348-0945, 1430-1020), Washington DC (1722-0710, 1750-0730, 1914-0915, 2155-1140)
American: Chicago (1930-1105), Dallas (1445-0705)
Delta: Atlanta (1635-0740), Cincinnati (1925-0955), New York (1910-0930)
Northwest: Detroit (1710-0720)
Continental: Newark (1915-0915)
US Airways: Charlotte (2015-1050), Philadelphia (1635-0615)
Singapore: New York (2100-1050)
It looks to me like the Teams would have arrived on either
2) SQ 26 from JFK New York, arriving at 8:20 am
I'm looking at these early arrival times because Matty's flight from Portland was shown to have arrived quite early at 8:16 am (versus its 9:05 am scheduled arrival time)
Opps! :groan: I was looking at Frankfurt Departures :groan:
I'll re-post the proper analysis in the 'flights' thread.
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 04, 2008, 12:23:01 PM
The Portland > Frankfurt plane is simply the reverse of TAR 13's final flight, isn't it? That's LH469, departing at 1.35pm to 9.05am the next day, a flight duration of 10h 30min. Portland, Maine doesn't have a direct flight to Frankfurt - and it'd take a much shorter time too if it did!
Are there no other possible non stop flights with other airlines? The reason I ask is that it doesn't seem to fit with the evidence in the blog: The sister said "Matty left last night. We all went to the airport to see him off."
It would be a real stretch to describe a 1:35pm departure as 'night', especially as he would probably have had to say goodbye to them before heading thru customs, probably 1 hour before departure at least, so I would have expected her to use the words 'lunchtime', or similar. And from the photo of the family, the watch really does look like 1:50pm.
Also Matty mentions in his own blog that he was only "able to sleep for the first two hours of the flight". Even seasoned travellers would find it hard to dose off at midday in their own timezone at the beginning of their first flight.
The only reason it is impt either way is because it changes the window of time for when the racers would have been seen at Frankfurt. :duno:
Post by: georgiapeach on November 04, 2008, 12:29:15 PM
Are we totally confident in thinking that Frankfurt is the arrival from US city?
Since we aren't 100% sure of the departure date, don't we have to at least consider that it could be a second leg? :duno:
I agree that it probably isn't, but just want to throw this out there.
We saw Phil on TES on 10/29...so we have that tiny window of 10/30 onwards...
If they went somewhere like London first, they could be still be seen in Frankfurt on 11/1...
Just a thought.
Oh and it is definitely Portland, Oregon.....no doubts.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 04, 2008, 01:07:26 PM
Cape Town is in no way confirmed yet...
Post by: puddin on November 04, 2008, 01:14:24 PM
Post by: apskip on November 04, 2008, 01:20:31 PM
Post by: apskip on November 04, 2008, 01:31:58 PM
The Portland > Frankfurt plane is simply the reverse of TAR 13's final flight, isn't it? That's LH469, departing at 1.35pm to 9.05am the next day, a flight duration of 10h 30min. Portland, Maine doesn't have a direct flight to Frankfurt - and it'd take a much shorter time too if it did!
Are there no other possible non stop flights with other airlines? The reason I ask is that it doesn't seem to fit with the evidence in the blog: The sister said "Matty left last night. We all went to the airport to see him off."
It would be a real stretch to describe a 1:35pm departure as 'night', especially as he would probably have had to say goodbye to them before heading thru customs, probably 1 hour before departure at least, so I would have expected her to use the words 'lunchtime', or similar. And from the photo of the family, the watch really does look like 1:50pm.
Also Matty mentions in his own blog that he was only "able to sleep for the first two hours of the flight". Even seasoned travellers would find it hard to dose off at midday in their own timezone at the beginning of their first flight.
The only reason it is impt either way is because it changes the window of time for when the racers would have been seen at Frankfurt. :duno:
Mrs. Shrek, the last flight connection leaving Portland that can connect in to Frankfurt are a Northwest/KLM flight PDX AMS 1555 1100+1 connecting with Northwest/KLM AMS FRA 1335+1 1450+1 or a Lufthansa flight that is 5 mintues earlier. This means nothing can be leaving Portland after 355pm until the next morning. Soon after such a flight was in the air to fly east across the Atlantic, it would be after dark.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 04, 2008, 01:39:44 PM
Peach, I do not understand your comment "Oh and it is definitely Portland, Oregon.....no doubts." unless this comment is limited to the departure of the blogger's relative from Portland to Frankfurt. Is there something else about AR14 that has been connected to Portland OR?
The original blogger is from Portland Oregon, not Portland Maine.
Post by: patlini on November 04, 2008, 03:13:20 PM
Post by: Chateau d If on November 04, 2008, 04:27:25 PM
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The Portland > Frankfurt plane is simply the reverse of TAR 13's final flight, isn't it? That's LH469, departing at 1.35pm to 9.05am the next day, a flight duration of 10h 30min.
I think there is a Daylight Saving Time error here. The record I had (but can't seem to find anymore) said LH469 was scheduled to leave PDX at 2:35 pm and arrive in FRA at 9:05 am.
So I cross-checked using GMT conversions (http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc):
October 31, 1:35 pm in Portland is October 31, 8:35 pm in GMT.
November 1, 9:05 am in Frankfurt is November 1, 8:05 am in GMT.
That would imply that the flight was 11.5 hours long. But we know that the flight is supposed to be 10.5 hours long. So I think the plane's scheduled departure was really 2:35 pm. This would be consistent with seeing Matty having a wirstwatch time that says 1:50 pm before beginning his trip.
Post by: apskip on November 04, 2008, 05:08:09 PM
Post by: romaniafan on November 05, 2008, 02:05:56 AM
Or would I?!? Few minutes later two girls, looked to be in their 20s, came running out shouting at the crowd asking where the taxis were. Then suddenly they both stopped, looked around very confused-like like they were looking for someone, then stood off to the side a bit, literally about two feet from me. I noticed right away that they both had little yellow and red-striped markers on them, so I was getting even more convinced this was AR. Then while they were waiting, one of them took out an envelope and pulled out of it a blue pamphlet-sized type thing that had the AR symbol on the front, consulted it really quickly, then tucked it away. Now I'm 100% convinced it's AR!! All of a sudden there was a huge flurry of activity as their camerman came running up (apparently that's what the two girls had been waiting for), and then I saw at least two other teams and their camera crews come running through the doors - one was two slightly older African American ladies, and another was two rather short men. All four of them also had the yellow and red markers on their person (some were on fanny packs), and were being chased by cameras as they frantically ran for the taxis. I *think* there was another team arriving a little further down, but I couldn't get a good look in all the excitement. Then last but not least, a very frantic-looking cameraman and sound man ran out in the clearing outside the automatic doors, apparently having lost their team for the moment, and paused scanning the crowd for a good minute or two. Then they took off, so presumably spotted them. Phew.
It gets better. About a half hour later my friend finally came through the double-doors from baggage claim. I was giddy with excitment to tell her about my AR spotting, and her response? "So THAT'S who they were!!" Apparently they were on her flight from Munich! At least some of them were. She was sitting right next to one of the contestants, my friend said she was a Kelly Ripa lookalike. This contestant had another friend sitting up a few rows, who she kept referring to as Chrissy. My friend said they made small talk throughout the flight, and the lady had said she and her friend were making a travel documentary, going to places off the beaten path like Romania to try and generate interest for tourists to go to those countries. So THAT'S their cover! The lady also told the flight attendant that she and her friend Chrissy are Southwest Airlines flight attendants back home. She was also asking a Romanian passenger on the other side of her for advice, my friend didn't catch all of it but did hear them talking about the train station (how to get there, safety, etc). My friend said after the fact, knowing it was an AR team, a lot of the lady's mysterious behavior now made sense: Spending half an hour putting on makeup before they landed (after midnight?!?), asking the flight attendant for an extra sandwich (Chrissy had told her they might need it tomorrow!), etc. My friend said that by the time the plane was ready to deboard, the Kelly Ripa lookalike and her friend Chrissy (and their telltale backpacks) had already worked themselves up to the front of the plane to deboard. She said she also had noticed one other team of two girls with backpacks and camera crews, which I suspect *may* have been the pair I saw stalled outside baggage claim, but not sure.
Soooo, long and short of it: At least two teams were for sure spotted by my friend on the flight from Munich to Bucharest; I spotted at least four teams coming thru baggage claim at about that time, one of which might have overlapped with the ones my friend spotted. They were heading for taxis, so not sure if that means a task in Bucharest, or if they were taxing to the train station to venture elsewhere in the country. Making it at least five or six teams here in Romania today! How exciting!! I live not far from Dracula's Castle, which I'd suspect will be one of their stops, so I'll be keeping an eye out for any more sightings!
Sorry for the ramble, but I've been a huge AR fan since Season 1, Episode 1, and all this time I've been really pulling for them to come to Romania - what are the odds I'd see them arriving at the airport here, especially at 12:45am on a Wednesday?!? Can't wait for this season to air!!
Post by: georgiapeach on November 05, 2008, 02:11:04 AM
Thank you so much for sharing!! Is it too much to hope you might have gotten some pics?
And could you possibly tell us the flight your friend was on? That would be a huge help!!
What fun!! :hearts:
Post by: puddin on November 05, 2008, 02:23:08 AM
Post by: romaniafan on November 05, 2008, 02:33:27 AM
Friend was on Lufthansa flight 3424, arrived about 12:25am 11/5 from Munich. The flight arriving right before that was from Frankfort, arriving at 12:15am - both from Germany, so possibly some of the teams I saw had been on that flight? Not sure. Just because my friend only spotted two teams on the Munich flight doesn't mean they weren't all on that flight and she just didn't see them. She's still in bed and jet-lagged right now (she'd flown all the way from LA), but I'll grill her for more info later and see if there's any other tidbits I can report. This is all so exciting, I'm glad I've got people to share it with who can appreciate it! :jumpy:
Post by: puddin on November 05, 2008, 02:36:18 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 05, 2008, 02:41:13 AM
Any more info on teams, even what they were wearing, while you and your friend's memories are clear is a huge help, as it may help us put things together as we get more info.
See if she knows the other girl's name? And anything she can add to what they were asking about will be a big help too!
And please do keep an eye out! If they arrived at 1225, they will prob have hit hours of operations somewhere--so prob did tasks that AM and then had a Pitstop.
SO if you can ask around, maybe someone saw something? :hearts:
What time is it there for you right now??
Post by: georgiapeach on November 05, 2008, 02:44:28 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 05, 2008, 03:05:30 AM
Were you hanging out waiting for her for a long time? You say finally she arrived... :lol:
Post by: romaniafan on November 05, 2008, 03:23:34 AM
Speculation: If they go to Dracula's Castle (which incidentally isn't that exciting at all and is barely tied to Dracula, but is Romania's Biggest Tourist Trap so something tells me they'll end up there, but I hope I'm wrong - there are so many more interesting things to choose from here!), it's a good three hours drive/train from Bucharest in daytime traffic, a bit shorter at night. So if they had an early morning task in Bucharest, had to wait for opening hours for something first and then complete the task, then get out here, it'd probably be lunchtime at the earliest. Maybe they'd make a stop along the way to do something physically-challengey in the mountains? May need to kick the friend out of bed soon so we can get over there and stalk! With cameras this time, of course :)
As for them supposedly being in Capetown right now - my apologies if I'm wrong about all of this! But between the red and yellow markings, and what most definitely appeared to be an AR clue they were looking at, and all the pairs of backpacked running people tailed by cameras . . . if I'm wrong, someone out there is doing a mighty good job of filming an Amazing Race knockoff!
Shall give more details later if I get them, I'm spreading the word to everyone to keep an eye out!
Post by: georgiapeach on November 05, 2008, 03:30:54 AM
And Cape Town doesn't look so good to me now, :lol:
Post by: puddin on November 05, 2008, 03:34:20 AM
Darn its 4:30 am here and I want to play but am sleepy so for now :waves:
Post by: romaniafan on November 05, 2008, 03:40:14 AM
Post by: Neobie on November 05, 2008, 07:00:34 AM
Add a 12-hour Pit Stop and you get a morning of the 3rd departure. A one-day Leg Two, followed by another 12-hour Pit Stop, gives you arrival in Munich on the night of the 4th.
Alternatively, add a 36-hour Pit Stop, and you get a morning of the 4th departure. We'd test this scenario (36h Pit Stop, then Locarno > Zurich > Munich > Bucharest).
If teams depart before 8am from Locarno, they'd be able to take:
Train from Locarno to Zurich Airport: 8.53am to 12.13pm
LH3743 from Zurich to Munich: 1.10pm to 2.10pm
RO312 from Munich to Bucharest: 4.45pm to 7.45pm
They instead take the next Munich-Bucharest flight at 9.30pm, indicating that they'd check in after 8pm in Leg One. After half a leg on 1 Nov, would we have activities in Locarno on 2 Nov dragging into the night? I'd say doubtful.
ETA: Assuming Locarno is Leg One. But if it isn't, please just add X to the leg number!
Post by: apskip on November 05, 2008, 09:01:53 AM
Would that make Romania Leg 3? Given the late afternoon arrivals at Locarno, it would most likely encompass a 'draw a time and wait for the next morning' bit, making the Pit Stop sometime on the 2nd of November.
Add a 12-hour Pit Stop and you get a morning of the 3rd departure. A one-day Leg Two, followed by another 12-hour Pit Stop, gives you arrival in Munich on the night of the 4th.
Alternatively, add a 36-hour Pit Stop, and you get a morning of the 4th departure. We'd test this scenario (36h Pit Stop, then Locarno > Zurich > Munich > Bucharest).
If teams depart before 8am from Locarno, they'd be able to take:
Train from Locarno to Zurich Airport: 8.53am to 12.13pm
LH3743 from Zurich to Munich: 1.10pm to 2.10pm
RO312 from Munich to Bucharest: 4.45pm to 7.45pm
They instead take the next Munich-Bucharest flight at 9.30pm, indicating that they'd check in after 8pm in Leg One. After half a leg on 1 Nov, would we have activities in Locarno on 2 Nov dragging into the night? I'd say doubtful.
ETA: Assuming Locarno is Leg One. But if it isn't, please just add X to the leg number!
Neobie, it may be more useful to work backward from the known arrival time. There is only one flight from Munich that fits:
LH3424 MUC OTP 2130 0025+1
If you connect to that from Frankfurt(which you wouldn't; see below), best choice is LH980 FRA MUC 1835 1930.
from Milan(possible if leg 2 is in the Milan area) it would be LH3907 MXP MUC 1920 2030.
From Zurich there is a nonstop flight to Bucharest in the early afternoon, but no connecting flights getting in just after midnight.
However, Munich is not the only city from which you can arrive in Bucharest in the 30 minutes after midnight. 3 others that I know of are Prague OK704 2120 0010+1, Frankfurt itself LH3416 2030 0005+1, and Amsterdam KL1361 2020 0010+1.
By connecting just early enough in any of these 4 gateways to Bucharest, a wealth of other cities could connect into one of the late-night flights to Bucharest.
Post by: apskip on November 05, 2008, 09:39:39 AM
Milan
Venice
Vienna
Budapest
An evening flight originating in Milan is covered in my post above.
From Venice LH4101 connects to Munich 1725 1845.
From Vienna LH6337 connects to Frankfurt 1940 2120.
Budapest is the city with the most nonstops to Bucharest. However, there are none in the late evening.
Post by: michael on November 05, 2008, 11:04:46 AM
thanks for the spoilers romaniafan!
I'll admit, the Romania spoiler makes me think Cape Town might be something else, because why would they have two european legs, fly to south africa, and then fly back to europe?
Post by: michael on November 05, 2008, 11:44:15 AM
Post by: apskip on November 05, 2008, 12:30:46 PM
Another really interesting place is Peles Castle in Sinaia about 2 hours north on a low-traffic day. It's a beautiful building and I hope AR14 planners at World Race Productions found a way to fit it in.
Post by: romaniafan on November 05, 2008, 02:37:38 PM
One last little tidbit: My friend said the racer sitting next to her on the plane had mentioned that others "from our group" had been on an earlier flight that day. Maybe these were just the stragglers? And as I may have already mentioned, she was wearing a t-shirt with a picture of her daughter that said "I love you wherever I go". Think that's it for now!
Post by: puddin on November 05, 2008, 02:43:51 PM
Grrr, kept eyes peeled all day and no more AR sightings in my little corner of Transylvania. Sorry guys. I was really enjoying feeling useful and having info to share! Camping out at the departures area was considered, Michael (seriously!), but unfortunately probably won't happen. And apskp - we had made the same prediction ourselves this afternoon about the People's Palace being a filming location in Buc. I've always felt that even finding an address among the jungle of concrete blocs would be an AR-worthy task, too! As for Peles, would be cool but it's closed all of November for cleaning and maintenance. I suppose anything's possible, though!Doesn't mean you have to leave us romaniafan, we'd love to have you stick around and see how all this unfolds :hearts:
One last little tidbit: My friend said the racer sitting next to her on the plane had mentioned that others "from our group" had been on an earlier flight that day. Maybe these were just the stragglers? And as I may have already mentioned, she was wearing a t-shirt with a picture of her daughter that said "I love you wherever I go". Think that's it for now!
Post by: michael on November 05, 2008, 02:45:29 PM
Grrr, kept eyes peeled all day and no more AR sightings in my little corner of Transylvania. Sorry guys. I was really enjoying feeling useful and having info to share! Camping out at the departures area was considered, Michael (seriously!), but unfortunately probably won't happen. And apskp - we had made the same prediction ourselves this afternoon about the People's Palace being a filming location in Buc. I've always felt that even finding an address among the jungle of concrete blocs would be an AR-worthy task, too! As for Peles, would be cool but it's closed all of November for cleaning and maintenance. I suppose anything's possible, though!
One last little tidbit: My friend said the racer sitting next to her on the plane had mentioned that others "from our group" had been on an earlier flight that day. Maybe these were just the stragglers? And as I may have already mentioned, she was wearing a t-shirt with a picture of her daughter that said "I love you wherever I go". Think that's it for now!
like puddin said, stick around!! :D
and if you do end up camping out don't forget your camera!
Post by: cba on November 05, 2008, 03:38:07 PM
venzin77 RE: Is the Amazing Race in Locarno, Ticino?
Today, 3:52 PM EST
Yes the amazing race is in Switzerland y help one couple, y make police man job.
Mornig in Locarno, train Station, y help the couple Dustin & Kandice to go in Verzasca Valley. You see the the show and you see my ..... :)
Wiki/Wetpaint (http://amazingrace.wetpaint.com/thread/2031565/Is+the+Amazing+Race+in+Locarno,+Ticino%3F?t=anon)
People, when I joined last week pointing out it's been a while since they've been to Switzerland I was just joking! :lol:
This post above caught my eye - I've been to Verzasca valley myself on an excursion during my time as geology student at the Swiss federal institute of technology in Zurich.
There's Lago di Vogrono, a reservoir lake and the dam bordering its end, Dam Verzasca was featured in a James Bond Movie ("Goldeneye"). 007 does a bungy-jump from that dam, which is a very popular thing to do among tourists! There's not really anything else thrilling going on in that valley (except for geology of course ;) ) so I'll pick up that spoiler/speculation and, if correct, guess we'll see some bungee jumping as a task or a maybe even a roadblock?
I'd love to extend this and post pictures of the dam and the valley (and the site of the jump itself), but I don't have them with me so you'll have to wait until I'm heading to Innsbruck again.
Post by: puddin on November 05, 2008, 05:10:15 PM
Post by: apskip on November 05, 2008, 06:17:49 PM
Post by: Chateau d If on November 06, 2008, 12:30:21 AM
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Post by: batchick on November 06, 2008, 01:22:47 AM
I'm confused batchick...
Were those banners in the picture we saw at the entrance to Rhodes Memorial or at one of the University entrances?
They were at the entrance to Rhodes Memorial, which is just next to the exit of the University. Both are built on land bequeathed by Cecil John Rhodes. A lot of us don't like that link to the nasty legacy of people like Rhodes, but we're grateful that we have such a beautiful spot.
Oh, and i've mailed the film commission, so hopefully we'll have an answer sometime about who those flags belong to.
Post by: Chateau d If on November 06, 2008, 01:27:01 AM
In Locarno:
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From: SwissMiss08
I first approached the plaza piazza sant'antonio around 6pm (it gets dark here around 5:30pm now). It is a little plaza in the old city (citta vecchia) which has some parking spots. I tried to park my car and was waved away. And there was a priest standing in front of the church, outside. They did not appear to have been standing there for long. It looked like they were just getting set up.
Chiesa Sant`Antonio (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/498194)
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Here in GE:
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Post by: Slowhatch on November 06, 2008, 01:39:41 AM
Post by: Chateau d If on November 06, 2008, 01:41:46 AM
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Around 7, I was again heading up towards the plaza AGAIN when we were passed by a team heading down the street, towards the vicinity of the Piazza Grande or the castle, we thought. This team was two younger people (early to mid 20s). I think the woman I saw was blond, but not sure. She was definitely pretty and tall - guessing 5'9 or more. The "producer" (ie 4th person in group, not carrying a backpack or camera) stopped her to adjust her shirt or necklace as they walked down the street.
Piazza Grande (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/10657196)
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Here in GE
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Post by: Chateau d If on November 06, 2008, 01:50:21 AM
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Around 7, I was again heading up towards the plaza AGAIN when we were passed by a team heading down the street, towards the vicinity of the Piazza Grande or the castle, we thought. This team was two younger people (early to mid 20s). I think the woman I saw was blond, but not sure. She was definitely pretty and tall - guessing 5'9 or more. The "producer" (ie 4th person in group, not carrying a backpack or camera) stopped her to adjust her shirt or necklace as they walked down the street.
Castello Visconteo (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/204484)
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Here in GE
Post by: Slowhatch on November 06, 2008, 10:52:17 AM
Post by: Slowhatch on November 06, 2008, 02:04:45 PM
Post by: puddin on November 06, 2008, 02:21:20 PM
November 6, 2008 in général
At 4am on Wednesday morning, staying up all night in honor of the US Presidential Election, I found myself at Gara de Nord, Bucharest’s primary train station. Standing outside the locked building was a mix of travelers waiting with luggage, teenagers huffing from plastic bags, sanitation workers sweeping, and various hustlers trying to get money from the people who waited. I, myself, had to dodge a couple of leather-jacketed men who insisted they could put me on a bus to wherever I needed to go, Brasov by noon. Later I watched two nearby couples interact with a younger huffer, laughing uncomfortably as he half sang, half shouted something to them. Meanwhile, taxis kept pulling up periodically, and people with bags would try the locked glass doors without luck. Their attempts were understandable, though, because inside the glass doors were other travelers, miraculously inside the warm(er) building even though it was supposed to be closed until 4:30.
These other travelers were, in fact, the cast and crew of the 14th season of The Amazing Race, filming their way through Romania. I looked inside and watched the teams of two flanked by cameramen and production staff. They all seemed unaware of the motley crowd outside those doors. They talked to each other, milled around, and consulted maps. One particular team of young women looked too manicured for such a contest at such an hour. At 4:20am, the ticket counters opened early for them; the crowd outside moved closer to the locked doors. Ten minutes later, the station’s McDonald’s franchise let the cast and crew inside while keeping the public, now allowed in the building, locked outside. Soon these contestants would be headed out of the capital in search of adventure!
And for those of you who are fans of the show, the Romania episode will be full of classics: gymnasts, gypsies, and vampires. Through some connections of mine here, I found out that the cast travels to nearby Bran Castle, engages in a challenge that included coffins and stakes, and visits a gypsy village (possibly in search of a clue). Of course, some of it plays off of the cultural myths about Romania. There is no question that some Romanians are interested in selling vampire kitsch to spook-seeking tourists, regardless of the relative lack of native tradition actually concerning the monsters. Much of the rest of the population at least tolerates it. And The Amazing Race clearly aims to take advantage.
But the show exploits more than the vampire legend. The most intriguing element of The Amazing Race episode in Romania relates to the gypsy village, which was, strangely, a fake. Constructed specially for the show in an area with a relatively low gypsy population, the artificial village was “populated” with ethnic Romanians dressed up in gypsy attire. Yes, even the supposed gypsies were impostors, as authentic as their costumes may have appeared. All this was done for the benefit of a reality television show. And tourism, of course.
Because most countries try to export a symbolic and friendly image of native culture that will lure tourists into spending strong currencies in a bid to purchase access to it all. Australia has promoted koalas, kangaroos, happy indigenous people, and blonds with surfboards leading a laid back life along the beach. Scotland pushes kilts, bagpipes, and Mel-Gibson-as-William-Wallace (not to mention all things whiskey). Romania is certainly not exempt from these kinds of campaigns, and the gypsy village proves just to what lengths people are willing to go. By dressing up ethnic Romanians as gypsy villagers, The Amazing Race and its Romanian collaborators are presenting an idealized image of gypsy culture, one meant to dazzle foreigners with exoticism.
The reality is more fraught. Tensions toward and within the gypsy population in Romania remain strong; prejudices are performed daily in the most progressive communities; divides exist socially and within the government about how to work with this minority group. Debates flourish about how to even provide education for children in gypsy communities. The quaint, friendly, built-to-order gypsy village, with its cast of Romanians in gypsy costumes, couldn’t be more of an idealization of the situation here. It censors the poverty, the alienation, and even the violence that contribute to the gypsy reality in Romania, as well as elsewhere in Eastern Europe.
Myself, I am unqualified to say anything truly meaningful regarding this subject. Except I can’t help but be intrigued by a reality show that not only employs cultural proxies and fakes, but helps to sell a glossy version of what makes up a country like Romania. For my money, I think showing the real Romania would make excellent television; but no, the producers want to keep the glue huffers locked outside and the gypsies lighter skinned. Maybe the danger is that if we, as viewers, saw the reality, we might lose interest in the contestants and the contest itself. After all, what’s amazing about it? People flying all over the world in competition for money? What’s amazing about that? Besides what it excludes.
Post by: puddin on November 06, 2008, 02:34:19 PM
Post by: Chateau d If on November 06, 2008, 05:07:02 PM
Post by: SingularStars on November 06, 2008, 11:18:17 PM
Amazing Race (http://seriouslyromania.com/2008/11/06/amazing-race/)
November 6, 2008 in général
But the show exploits more than the vampire legend. The most intriguing element of The Amazing Race episode in Romania relates to the gypsy village, which was, strangely, a fake. Constructed specially for the show in an area with a relatively low gypsy population, the artificial village was “populated” with ethnic Romanians dressed up in gypsy attire. Yes, even the supposed gypsies were impostors, as authentic as their costumes may have appeared. All this was done for the benefit of a reality television show. And tourism, of course.
I really hope that this is not true, cuz I'll be really disappointed.
Post by: puddin on November 06, 2008, 11:46:28 PM
Post by: michael on November 06, 2008, 11:51:59 PM
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I really hope that this is not true, cuz I'll be really disappointed.
I sort of get why you'd be disappointed, but it doesn't mean TAR is all rigged or anything, they probably just do it to show the countries culture more, you know what I mean? Just like they are having a RB of an Indian festival on this Sunday's episode of TAR13, and it was filmed in May, but in reality that festival takes place in March.
Post by: apskip on November 07, 2008, 07:39:40 AM
Post by: puddin on November 07, 2008, 12:25:29 PM
Just wrote something unusual… a really PRETTY Race cue. And now—time to do battle with the NYT XWD. I've earned it. :-) 9:58 PM Nov 2nd
Tough day for gear—NOW 2 of the keys on my KBD are sticking. These new Race cues are KICKING MY STUDIO's ASS!
about 17 hours ago
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 07, 2008, 11:45:41 PM
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I also have to say that one of the most exciting points of the day was when we saw signs for the show "The Amazing Race." It was being filmed at the palace where the famous Sound of Music gazebo now is. I took a picture of one of the signs that I saw, but there also were about 15 matching white Mercedes out front that were supposed to belong to the people in the amazing race. After I took a picture, an angry man came and put a garbage bag over the sign.
Salzburg Austria Posted 11/06/08 Image date 11/03/08
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Post by: michael on November 07, 2008, 11:46:51 PM
OMG
good job Mrs Shrek!
Post by: michael on November 07, 2008, 11:51:20 PM
Salzburg blog with photos:
poster November 3rd
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The driver pulled down the window and asked a young Austrian man for directions. I recognized right away that the driver spoke American English, so being the helpful American I am, I pulled around the front of the car to see if I could help. The Austrian man was fishing for his English vocabulary. Both the front and rear driver's side windows were down. A young man was driving, what I guess was his wife or girlfriend was behind him.
"How do you get to Schloss Hellbrunn?" the man asked me. He and the woman were frazzled, amazingly desperate! And they were covered in what looked like an amazing amount blood, guts, and pumpkin rot. But it all looked fake. Plus they had tons of make-up on.
I explained that they needed to turn back onto the major road they had just left, Alpenstraße, and head straight down until they passed underneath and underpass. Then they should take the very next right which would lead them down a wooded country lane.
By the time I had finished my first sentence, out of the car from the front and back passenger seats raced the camera man and the boom (sound) man, and they were both on me. I was good. Amazingly enough, I didn't look into the camera! I put a foot on my peddle to push off and ride away when the boom man caught my eye. He shook his head quickly as if to say, "Don't race off!"
The camera man turned off his camera and the boom man, an American, explained to the Austrian and me that we had to sign a release or this footage couldn't be used.
While we signed the paperwork, the woman in the backseat swore. They were in an amazing rush! The boom man turned to her and said, "Look, I told you. If you ask people questions, we have to do this. If you don't like it, don't ask for help."
"What kind of show is this?" I asked.
"A travel show," he replied.
"What channel?" I asked.
"I'm not sure," he said. Amazing, if that were true!
"What's the show called?" I asked.
Then he (sort of) came clean. He said, "I can only tell you that it's a pretty popular one!"
Off into the car they went. I wave and they raced off.
So this was some sort of race! Amazing, I thought, that I was caught in the middle of it.
I swore myself to secrecy--this was big stuff--I couldn't tell people about this! In two minutes I was home and spilling my guts to Jenny. Then one of my students came over 15 minutes later to pick up some soup, and I was telling her before she even sat down.
After my student left, Jenny suggested we head to Hellbrunn (only 5 minutes from our apartment) to see what we could see. There's a huge playground there and we promised Nikolas he could play there a bit (he said 40 minutes, and we said about 10--hey, it was getting dark!).
When we got to Hellbrunn, I noticed not one, but three cars that looked like the one I'd seen earlier. They each had numbers in the back window. The highest number I saw was 11.
When we tried to enter the castle grounds, we were immediately forced to make a U-Turn by a staff member. "Das Schloss ist zu wegen Dreharbeit." Closed due to filming...hmmm.
Just then, another white car pulled into the parking lot. A different set of people but with camera and boom men. They held each other's hands and headed right past us through a different door than the main entrance. I wanted to tell them that the path they were taking was a Detour, but I figured it wasn't my place.
In fact, a staff member came up to us a short time later and asked us in German if we'd said anything to the couple. "Nein," we answered. Dang, can't we be friendly?
Jenny decided to take Nikolas down that path to see where the couple was headed. I waited in case more white cars appeared in the parking lot. None did, and soon Jenny was back to tell me that she's seen "things." Well, I wanted to see things, too, so off I went along the path. The pathway was heavily wooded so it was even darker. Up ahead I could see huge lights, the kind you see on film sets. But there was a Roadblock between lights and me: a gate and a staff member. I spoke to the staff member for a moment. I asked him if they were filming an advertisement (playing dumb I was) and he spilled his guts. And while he spilled, I looked through the gate and saw "things."
Fast Forward to me catching up with Jenny and Nikolas in the park. We saw bobbing through the trees what looked like a TV camera light. Two women were running together. One was hobbling. The other said, "I'm going ahead a bit," and the other countered with, "OK, go ahead." Off into the park they went, clueless as the day was long.
Satisfied with the afternoon's excitement, we headed home and made a Pit Stop at Rossbräu, a local restaurant. No one recognized me from TV and I didn't tell anyone who I was.
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Post by: puddin on November 07, 2008, 11:57:54 PM
Another GREAT find Mrs Shrek! :jumpy: and Michael!!QuoteI also have to say that one of the most exciting points of the day was when we saw signs for the show "The Amazing Race." It was being filmed at the palace where the famous Sound of Music gazebo now is. I took a picture of one of the signs that I saw, but there also were about 15 matching white Mercedes out front that were supposed to belong to the people in the amazing race. After I took a picture, an angry man came and put a garbage bag over the sign.
Salzburg Austria Posted 11/06/08 Image date 11/03/08
Post by: Chateau d If on November 08, 2008, 12:19:18 AM
Nice work Michael & Mrs Shrek :wohoo:
Post by: puddin on November 08, 2008, 12:37:41 AM
"How do you get to Schloss Hellbrunn?" the man asked me. He and the woman were frazzled, amazingly desperate! And they were covered in what looked like an amazing amount blood, guts, and pumpkin rot. But it all looked fake. Plus they had tons of make-up on.
Post by: Chateau d If on November 08, 2008, 12:53:21 AM
U-turn
Roadblock
Detour
Pit Stop
Fast Forward
any more?
I guess it's just a stylistic tongue-in-cheek way of writing
Post by: michael on November 08, 2008, 12:54:17 AM
Why is that blog written with every possible TAR term?
U-turn
Roadblock
Detour
Pit Stop
Fast Forward
any more?
I guess it's just a stylistic tongue-in-cheek way of writing
LOL, I noticed that too.
Post by: Slowhatch on November 08, 2008, 12:56:27 AM
Great find, Michael/Mrs. Shrek! :wohoo: :yess:
Post by: Chateau d If on November 08, 2008, 01:13:15 AM
(well, I'm talking about just the lower one)
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Post by: puddin on November 08, 2008, 01:25:33 AM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 08, 2008, 02:23:36 AM
3 cars are already at the castle when blogger arrives
assume that young pumpkin couple from earlier are one of these cars already here
car 4 is blonde lady and blue shirt
car 5 or 6 is females with sore leg
Post by: michael on November 08, 2008, 10:39:13 AM
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first of alllllll, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO JOLINE LIM JIAJING! haha i shall give you your angsana card likeeeeee, the next time i see you, which is likeeeee, um, heheh.
today's training was quite relaxed coz everyone was damn high? coz beatrice kept saying the word 'high'. like aim high, look high, throw high, jump high. then we became really really high. and nicole and i were the only ones who did a proper cooldown coz the rest were too high to function as per normal. and after trng i cheonged home to change and eat then went to Bishan to meet the throwers for Eugenia's surprise barbecue thing and they were half an hour late. and while waiting for them, i was approached by two groups of people doing some amazing race thing and an aunty who was selling pens.
Bishan is in Singapore right; I'm pretty sure they have their own race type thing.
Post by: Boingo on November 08, 2008, 11:35:00 AM
Daimler BlueTEC (http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/07/daimlerchrysler.html)
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Post by: Boingo on November 08, 2008, 11:41:15 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 08, 2008, 01:18:46 PM
:funny: Looks like a "musical theme" for the Salzburg leg of the next TAR season. From the "Sound of Music" to who knows what in the birthplace city of Mozart (http://www.ennstalerhof.com/en/mozarts-geburtshaus.shtml). Maybe Julie Andrews will be the pitstop greeter. (:;) :knuckles: :groan: :res: :meow:
I am holding out for the SALT MINES (http://www2.salzburg.info/sehenswertes_salzburg_salt_mines.htm) myself--I remember having a blast doing those!
The funicular ride to the top of the fort could be good too...
Post by: sunnyca on November 08, 2008, 02:12:31 PM
Mirabellgarten (Mirabell Garden)
Mirabell Gardens - The Mirabell Gardens were laid out in the 18th century. Maria and the children were seen dancing around the statue of Pegasus, the winged horse, and throughout the gardens singing 'Do-Re-Mi'.
Mirabell Gardens, Dwarf Gardens
Schloß Mirabell
Prince Archbishop Johann Ernst Graf von Thun (1687 - 1709) had the famous Mirabell Gardens remodelled in 1690 according to plans by Johann Bernhard Fischer von Erlach. They were redesigned around 1730 by Franz Anton Danreiter.
The Pegasus, designed by Kaspar Gras from Innsbruck (1661), was placed here in 1913 after having stood on Chapter Square, Mirabell Square, Makart Square and even in a museum (under a staircase). The 4 groups of figures around the fountain were sculpted by Ottavio Mosto (1690) and symbolize the 4 elements: Fire (Aeneas' flight from Troy), Air (Hercules' battle with Antaeus), Earth (Pluto, lord of the Underworld abducting Zeus' daughter Persephone) and Water (Paris carrying off Helen, precipitating the Trojan War).
The mythical figures on the balustrade are the work of Bartholomäus van Opstal and Johann Fröhlich. The copies of the famous "Borghese Fencer" are attributed to Andreas Götzinger (the inner pair) and Michael Bernhard Mandl (the outer, artistically more valuable pair). The pedestals bear the coat of arms of Salzburg's Archbishop Johann Ernst Graf Thun (1687 - 1709). The elaborately decorated vases on the balustrade were built after plans by Fischer von Erlach.
The Heckentheater (Hedge Theater) is located on the west side of the Gardens. Built between 1704 and 1718, it is one of the oldest hedge theaters north of the Alps.
The Zwerglgarten (Dwarf Garden) dates back to Archbishop Franz Anton Graf Harrach, who had a dwarf theater with 28 dwarves set up southwest of the palace. Unfortunately, nothing is known of the creator of these "mysterious figures". These pitiful, misshapen beings, attached to almost all of the Baroque European courts for entertainment purposes, were highly respected and well-treated because of their integrity and loyalty. The dwarves in the Mirabell Gardens, made of Untersberg marble, are representative of these grotesque characters.
In concern for his wife and their unborn child, Crown Prince Ludwig of Bavaria had the disfigured creatures with their goitres and hunchbacks removed from the Dwarf Garden (they were to be destroyed). Fortunately, they were only auctioned off and the dwarves were forgotten for over one hundred years. Not until 1921 did the Salzburg Society for the Preservation of Local Amenities recall this part of Salzburg's cultural heritage to mind and convince the city councillors to place the nine dwarves then in the city's possession in their historical positions. Today the carefully restored dwarves are set up in the Bastion Garden and the hope remains that all of the dwarves still preserved will be retrieved and reunited in their historically innate location.
In 1854 Emperor Franz Joseph opened the Mirabell Gardens to the public. It has remained a jewel of horticultural architecture to this day.
Post by: sunnyca on November 08, 2008, 02:22:26 PM
St. Peter's Cemetery
St. Peter's Cemetery with its unique backdrop is one of the oldest and most charming cemeteries in the world. It serves as the final resting place for many notable personalities, artists, scholars and merchants.
Catacombs
The so-called "catacombs" hewn out of the Mönchsberg rock are one of the special attractions at St. Peter's Cemetery (open all year) and probably of early Christian origin. St. Gertrude's Chapel and the Maximus Chapel are especially worth seeing.
Post by: sunnyca on November 08, 2008, 02:38:41 PM
Oct 31 - Leave US (maybe SFO) - via Frankfurt/Zurich or Milan - to Locarno, Switzerland
Nov 1- 2: tasks around Locarno, drive to Salzburg
Nov 3: Tasks around Salzburg (Mirabell Gardens/St. Peter's Cemetery/Schloss Hellbrunn), drive to Munich
Nov 4: Fly from Munich to Bucharest (racers seen on direct flight, but others maybe via VIE or FRA)
Nov 5: Tasks around Brasov, Romania.
This is so weird, it's almost real time!
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 08, 2008, 02:45:12 PM
Very little chance that this is our race but I might as well post it:
Bishan is in Singapore right; I'm pretty sure they have their own race type thing.
yeah there are a whole heap of copy cat races that are run thru groups and schools all over Asia, so this is most likely one of them.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 08, 2008, 03:01:48 PM
Post by: sunnyca on November 08, 2008, 03:02:08 PM
I am holding out for the SALT MINES (http://www2.salzburg.info/sehenswertes_salzburg_salt_mines.htm) myself--I remember having a blast doing those!
The funicular ride to the top of the fort could be good too...
The salt mines would be awesome - Hallstatt is one of the most gorgeous places I have seen! And the skull church is bizarre too. But I wonder if they would have time to drive there, do the tasks, and drive to Munich to catch that flight on the 4th? It's possible but real tight. The cable car up to Untersberg near Hellbrunn does seem more likely..
Here's a link to the salt mines and the skull church at Hallstatt: http://www.globosapiens.net/travel-information/Hallstatt-1096.html
Quote" Today, one can visit the salt mine from mid-April to mid-September, assisted by a modern tram that whisks you up the side of the mountain. The tour includes donning miner's clothes, hurtling down two long wooden slides, hiking through rocky tunnels, and even riding a little train. In-between these thrills, they throw in enough history to leave you marveling at this extraordinary place."
Sounds tailor-made for TAR, doesn't it?
Post by: Boingo on November 08, 2008, 04:03:23 PM
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17788.0;attach=110931;image
Post by: Belle Book on November 08, 2008, 05:32:29 PM
So let's see if I've got the timing right (adding to above):
Oct 31 - Leave US (maybe SFO) - via Frankfurt/Zurich or Milan - to Locarno, Switzerland
Nov 1- 2: tasks around Locarno, drive to Salzburg
Nov 3: Tasks around Salzburg (Mirabell Gardens/St. Peter's Cemetery/Schloss Hellbrunn), drive to Munich
Nov 4: Fly from Munich to Bucharest (racers seen on direct flight, but others maybe via VIE or FRA)
Nov 5: Tasks around Brasov, Romania.
This is so weird, it's almost real time!
I'll bet by the time the teams get to Brasov, one or maybe two teams are already out of the Race. So nine or ten teams are in Romania.
Belle Book
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 08, 2008, 05:42:14 PM
:lol: Did a quick check of the license plate on the white Mercedes the blogger photographed as a TAR car in Salzburg (Austria). It appears to be a German license plate. Note the font, the Euro blue, the similar graphics consistent with a German plate. So if it's not Swiss, and not Austrian, did they drive it all the way from Germany? :angel: How does this figure into the flight schedules? :umn: Or did they ship these cars in from Germany just for the product promotion. So many questions.... :funny:
That car was registered in Stuttgart, which is where the Mercedes factory is located. So that ties in with them being a sponsor product. It is quite common to put a bunch of cars on a truck and transport them from A to B in Europe. I would assume they will just pick the cars up and take them back to Stuttgart again on a truck when they are finished - it's only about 125 miles from Munich - so only an hour or two drive on the autobahn
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 08, 2008, 09:02:01 PM
posted by future contestant. Post 20 in the Survivor Sucks TAR14 Spoiler Thread. Could be total bull but thought I would post it! :duno:
Post by: puddin on November 08, 2008, 09:13:27 PM
tar 14 started in los alamitos, california at the military base 100% correct my friends dad works at the military baseI was just coming to post the link (http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/3679930/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html), I believe it.
posted by future contestant. Post 20 in the Survivor Sucks TAR14 Spoiler Thread. Could be total bull but thought I would post it! :duno:
Post by: apskip on November 08, 2008, 09:49:08 PM
Post by: puddin on November 08, 2008, 10:15:20 PM
Post by: puddin on November 08, 2008, 10:28:04 PM
posted here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,3678.0.html)
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Rob
RFF Administrator
TAR 7 Spoiler - Submitted on the News site!
« on: October 28, 2004, 08:58:47 PM » Modify Split Topic
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This was submitted on the news site, and thought that the forum would be a better place! This is about TAR 7, NOT the Race that is starting in November:
The race will start at Edwards AFB in California. I heard from a friend who works there the show is working with Public Affairs from the base. The taping should be near the end of November.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 09, 2008, 12:38:48 PM
Presents from our Salzburg blogger!
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Yes, it was November 3. Whoever guessed the time of 4:45-5:15 was just about spot on. It was indeed a Pitstop because we could see through a side gate the check-in mat, a greeter dressed as Mozart (I'm assuming a man), and Phil. Phil was dressed in jacket, hat, and gloves and looked cold. It was chilly that night but it was a good chilly!
The exact location of the Pitstop was just inside the inner courtyard on the left-hand side. In the Forum Hellbrun overview photo, you see four photo icons/squares in a line across the courtyard when you enter it from the long entry road. The Pitstop was located between the first and second icons on the left.
I'm including two more photos of the team of two women. Not very good ones, but then again, your photo people might have some fun. Finally, there's a photo of the cars the next morning. My wife went jogging out to Hellbrunn at about 6:30am. She said that they'd closed up shop, so it looks like there were no day-late stragglers like there sometimes are (which must drive them insane).
What else? I overheard camera/sound folks expressing frustrations about their teams not having a clue but nothing very specific. It seems after teams check in, their camera/sound folks are done for the day. At different times, crews climbed into a black van and were whisked off into the Hellbrunn grounds, I'm assuming to wherever there was a buffet for staff since it was dinner time, but I have no proof of that.
All the best and good luck with your research!
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Post by: michael on November 09, 2008, 12:42:07 PM
yay
thanks peach!
I'm guessing that the F/F team is not the last team, because there are still three F/F teams left in Romania, and I doubt TAR casted FOUR F/F teams.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 09, 2008, 12:56:39 PM
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No photo of Phil, sorry! I could've been a punk and whipped out my camera while the man guarding the gate was telling me all about what was going on, but I didn't have the nerve.(I sent Chateau's pic for confirmation--peach)
The Pitstop pinpointing is good.
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14SaltzburgPitstopChateausGE.jpg)
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Regarding the gory slime: at first, I thought they'd been involved in a Halloween event even though it was Nov. 3. Halloween is celebrated here but not like it is at home. They sell some "Scream" masks in the stores--that's about it. Anyway, my wife guessed that they could've been taking part in some local custom, maybe something with beer brewing or cheese making. BUT the woman in the car I first saw as well as the older man and woman whom we saw at Hellbrunn had the stuff on them in places you'd figure you would clean up right away, like on your face. It's almost as if they were made up like that and were expected to leave it on. But again, I have no proof. There was some slime on one of the cars that I passed by. I should've taken a sample! By the way, the team of two women appeared to have no slime on them whatsoever which would imply they had a choice in a previous activity. A Detour?
As I thought more about it today, I do remember a crew member saying something about climbing a mountain earlier in the day. Something how his team person saw arrows pointing downward, but she thought it was a trick, so she went back up the mountain. Again, that was a fleeting conversation and I may be messing up the details.
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 09, 2008, 12:57:45 PM
Post by: michael on November 09, 2008, 12:59:40 PM
could do 4. Doubt it though!! The f/f team are african american. Are they or is it just the photo!
I can't tell Kiwi... In this one she sort of looks African American:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14SalzburgPitstopfmChase2.jpg)
Post by: Boingo on November 09, 2008, 01:01:48 PM
Sorry, I don't have cat-like vision, so I had to run the spolier pix through an editor to lighten them up to see the details. Sorry. ;)
Post by: georgiapeach on November 09, 2008, 01:06:41 PM
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The girls were nowhere near last! When we left Hellbrunn, there were only five or six white cars there. The next day, my wife took the photo with some dozen cars. No, I have a feeling that it was going to be a late night because we left at 6 p.m. or so and there had been no sign of anyone else arriving. Again, my wife is sure that by 6:30 a.m. the next day, all had been wrapped up. She ran through the courtyard where the Pitstop had been, and it was all cleaned up.
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 09, 2008, 01:17:41 PM
more just in: :lol:QuoteThe girls were nowhere near last! When we left Hellbrunn, there were only five or six white cars there. The next day, my wife took the photo with some dozen cars. No, I have a feeling that it was going to be a late night because we left at 6 p.m. or so and there had been no sign of anyone else arriving. Again, my wife is sure that by 6:30 a.m. the next day, all had been wrapped up. She ran through the courtyard where the Pitstop had been, and it was all cleaned up.
:jumpy: Wow! Thank you so much to our blogger for going the extra mile and sharing all this info and the extra photos with us :hearts:
Post by: michael on November 09, 2008, 01:19:40 PM
:duno: What the heck is the dude/dudette with the backpack carrying? (long, cylindrical, silvery thingie). The other couple seem to be carryinfg something also. Too early for the Travelocity gnomes, ya think?
It looks like some sort of space ship LOL :duno: :groan:
Post by: Chateau d If on November 09, 2008, 01:29:21 PM
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The girls were nowhere near last! When we left Hellbrunn, there were only five or six white cars there. The next day, my wife took the photo with some dozen cars. No, I have a feeling that it was going to be a late night because we left at 6 p.m. or so and there had been no sign of anyone else arriving. Again, my wife is sure that by 6:30 a.m. the next day, all had been wrapped up. She ran through the courtyard where the Pitstop had been, and it was all cleaned up.
This statement all but confirms that this Pit Stop was extended beyond the nominal 12 hours. All the cars were still there at 6:30 in the morning. Even though teams had checked in prior to 6:30 pm the evening before.
Post by: Boingo on November 09, 2008, 03:20:32 PM
Post by: Belle Book on November 09, 2008, 03:38:15 PM
Guess I'd put this here! CBS must either be very impressed or very angry...
They're probably very impressed, but maybe a tad bit annoyed at our efficiency as Mrs. Shrek suggested. Anyway, great job!
Belle Book
Post by: Belle Book on November 09, 2008, 03:45:51 PM
Belle Book
Post by: puddin on November 09, 2008, 03:49:27 PM
Post by: romaniafan on November 09, 2008, 04:51:13 PM
"So I sat next to a guy at the wedding yesterday who is a cop in brasov and was assigned as a driver to some of the supporting crew for the amazing race when it came through. from bucharest they had to take the train to brasov, and they went to the black church where they found out their road block. i don't remember what the first one was but the second was something to do with a gypsy village. he didn't know what else they did in brasov but from brasov they went to bran and he said he didn't think they went to Bran Castle but they did have their pit stop. in all he said they spent about 3 days in romania and from here they went to russia."
The crazy thing is I was eating lunch about a minute's walk from the Black Church on Wednesday - if we'd timed it a little better, I might've seen some more action!!!
Post by: michael on November 09, 2008, 04:54:03 PM
Yay!! More dirt!! Thought the well had run dry on info from here in Romania, but just got this email from a friend here in Brasov:
"So I sat next to a guy at the wedding yesterday who is a cop in brasov and was assigned as a driver to some of the supporting crew for the amazing race when it came through. from bucharest they had to take the train to brasov, and they went to the black church where they found out their road block. i don't remember what the first one was but the second was something to do with a gypsy village. he didn't know what else they did in brasov but from brasov they went to bran and he said he didn't think they went to Bran Castle but they did have their pit stop. in all he said they spent about 3 days in romania and from here they went to russia."
The crazy thing is I was eating lunch about a minute's walk from the Black Church on Wednesday - if we'd timed it a little better, I might've seen some more action!!!
OMG thanks romaniafan!
Post by: puddin on November 09, 2008, 05:13:37 PM
Yay!! More dirt!! Thought the well had run dry on info from here in Romania, but just got this email from a friend here in Brasov:Oh thank you romaniafan! You rock!! :yess: and Russia again! Wow!
"So I sat next to a guy at the wedding yesterday who is a cop in brasov and was assigned as a driver to some of the supporting crew for the amazing race when it came through. from bucharest they had to take the train to brasov, and they went to the black church where they found out their road block. i don't remember what the first one was but the second was something to do with a gypsy village. he didn't know what else they did in brasov but from brasov they went to bran and he said he didn't think they went to Bran Castle but they did have their pit stop. in all he said they spent about 3 days in romania and from here they went to russia."
The crazy thing is I was eating lunch about a minute's walk from the Black Church on Wednesday - if we'd timed it a little better, I might've seen some more action!!!
Post by: Jobby on November 09, 2008, 05:54:33 PM
Post by: Jobby on November 09, 2008, 05:56:42 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 09, 2008, 06:30:48 PM
Post by: puddin on November 09, 2008, 06:47:42 PM
Post by: redwings8831 on November 09, 2008, 07:16:17 PM
I'd been hoping for maybe Turkey, or Scandanavia, but Russia is good too.
I would be surprised if they go back to St. Petersburg or Moscow. I think it will probably be somewhere in southern Russia, like Sochi. Some of Southern Russia borders the eastern part of the Black Sea and Romania borders the same body of water on the west, so it wouldn't be that far.
Post by: Boingo on November 09, 2008, 07:18:43 PM
Post by: topaz on November 09, 2008, 08:03:09 PM
Sochi will be good because that city will host the 2014 Winter Olympics there. And here's the info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sochi#2014_Winter_Olympics :tup:I'd been hoping for maybe Turkey, or Scandanavia, but Russia is good too.
I would be surprised if they go back to St. Petersburg or Moscow. I think it will probably be somewhere in southern Russia, like Sochi. Some of Southern Russia borders the eastern part of the Black Sea and Romania borders the same body of water on the west, so it wouldn't be that far.
p.s.
I hope they should go to Kenya, this season and they'll should feature in an ancestral home town of US President elect Barack Obama, and I don't know where on that area. :duno:
Post by: password on November 09, 2008, 08:24:46 PM
Post by: michael on November 09, 2008, 08:25:07 PM
I have heard rumors of Turkey being visited.
Cool. Where did you hear these Rumours?
Post by: puddin on November 09, 2008, 08:31:54 PM
I bet he read it here, and psssst its password ;)I have heard rumors of Turkey being visited.
Cool. Where did you hear these Rumours?
Post by: michael on November 09, 2008, 08:33:30 PM
I bet he read it here, and psssst its password ;)I have heard rumors of Turkey being visited.
Cool. Where did you hear these Rumours?
lmao, oops, my bad.
Post by: michael on November 09, 2008, 08:38:46 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 09, 2008, 08:54:44 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 09, 2008, 09:07:23 PM
I have heard rumors of Turkey being visited.I've also heard rumors the racers are eating turkey somewhere on this race, but nothing confirmed. :P
Post by: apskip on November 09, 2008, 09:10:05 PM
Post by: puddin on November 09, 2008, 09:13:18 PM
Amazing Race (http://seriouslyromania.com/2008/11/06/amazing-race/)
November 6, 2008 in général
And for those of you who are fans of the show, the Romania episode will be full of classics: gymnasts, gypsies, and vampires. Through some connections of mine here, I found out that the cast travels to nearby Bran Castle, engages in a challenge that included coffins and stakes, and visits a gypsy village (possibly in search of a clue). Of course, some of it plays off of the cultural myths about Romania. There is no question that some Romanians are interested in selling vampire kitsch to spook-seeking tourists, regardless of the relative lack of native tradition actually concerning the monsters. Much of the rest of the population at least tolerates it. And The Amazing Race clearly aims to take advantage.
But the show exploits more than the vampire legend. The most intriguing element of The Amazing Race episode in Romania relates to the gypsy village, which was, strangely, a fake. Constructed specially for the show in an area with a relatively low gypsy population, the artificial village was “populated” with ethnic Romanians dressed up in gypsy attire. Yes, even the supposed gypsies were impostors, as authentic as their costumes may have appeared. All this was done for the benefit of a reality television show. And tourism, of course.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 09, 2008, 09:43:19 PM
could do 4. Doubt it though!! The f/f team are african american. Are they or is it just the photo!
I can't tell Kiwi... In this one she sort of looks African American:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14SalzburgPitstopfmChase2.jpg)
More from our blogger! :jumpy:
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They were definitely not African American. I would guess that they were mid- to late- twenties, but it was getting dark so I could be totally off. The one in the pink had brown hair, the other had lighter hair, but not blond. The one in the pink dropped her water bottle, which was white. The camera man got the drop and the pick up on film, then they all started off again. They were totally heading the wrong way, convinced that lights on a pond area must be lighting the Pitstop. It took them a good five minutes to figure out where they really needed to be.
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 09, 2008, 09:47:50 PM
Post by: puddin on November 09, 2008, 09:49:06 PM
Post by: michael on November 09, 2008, 09:50:41 PM
I worry that Michael will pre-jinx them :'(
NOT SAYING A WORD.
(until I see their pictures and decide which one is hottest)
Geez, what's with everybody turning all the threads into the michael is a curse thread tongiht lmao
Post by: Jobby on November 09, 2008, 09:50:55 PM
I worry that Michael will pre-jinx them :'(
:funny: I'm already liking the african american team.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 09, 2008, 10:01:37 PM
Picture data: 11/3 5:19PM
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She adds:
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I took this picture too, I believe these are the cars they were driving. The dates that they were there: Nov 2nd and 3rd. Glad to be a help!
Post by: puddin on November 09, 2008, 10:07:31 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 09, 2008, 10:20:07 PM
I think you raised the issue tonight. :lol:I worry that Michael will pre-jinx them :'(
NOT SAYING A WORD.
(until I see their pictures and decide which one is hottest)
Geez, what's with everybody turning all the threads into the michael is a curse thread tongiht lmao
Post by: MilkBB on November 10, 2008, 06:20:48 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 10, 2008, 06:46:27 AM
Is this something you heard, or something you would like to happen?
If it is something you heard about, can you tell us more please?
Post by: apskip on November 10, 2008, 08:08:17 AM
Post by: Kogs on November 10, 2008, 07:39:01 PM
For those who have not been to Salzburg (and even those that have), the Travel Channel from 12:00 to 12:30pm today is reprising the Salzburg episode of Samantha Brown's Passport to Europe. I don't remember it that well from an earlier viewing, but all of these Passport to Europe episodes follow a formula that is pretty good.
love sammantha brown
Post by: puddin on November 10, 2008, 08:09:53 PM
Post by: Belle Book on November 10, 2008, 08:36:49 PM
Belle Book
Post by: puddin on November 11, 2008, 03:49:48 PM
Post by: Zack. on November 12, 2008, 08:18:45 AM
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Locarno
Salzburg
Romania
Somewhere in Asia
Somewhere Else in Asia
Hong Kong
Bali
Alice Springs, Australia
Canberra, Australia
Christchurch, New Zeland
Wellington New Zealand
U.S. Finish
I don't think they're going to skip Africa again. Also, they haven't done the Africa-Asia connection since TAR 7 (or TAR10 going in the reverse), so I think the somewheres are in Asia could be in Africa instead. We haven't done North Africa in ages - maybe Tunisia or (if they're really adventurous) Libya.
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 12, 2008, 08:56:04 PM
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By the way, mention some spoilers for The Amazing Race on your blog and watch your traffic double.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 13, 2008, 10:20:48 AM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 13, 2008, 10:56:49 AM
That would truly be aDon't forget the European version if it ever gets off the ground! :groan:nightmarespoiling opportunity. Fixed! :funny:
Post by: cabioTAR on November 14, 2008, 11:05:58 PM
WOW! :hearts:
The PROD Team become bigger and bigger ....
While TARA3's finale is next week and TAR13 is also almost to the end .... now they are filming ....
so RFF Detectives are also start to work ......... right?
Soon later TARA4 is coming too ....
Post by: puddin on November 14, 2008, 11:38:42 PM
Just went through all in this thread .... so TAR14 & TARI is filming right now ...We're already 15 days into TAR14 and have not had a sighting since Brasov Romania on Nov 5th and thanks to romaniafan's info they stayed there for 3 days then, whether production crews or teams went to Russia, again thanks to romaniafan, remains to be seen. We have lost the trail *sigh* but more sightings will be discovered our detectives are :jam:.
WOW! :hearts:
The PROD Team become bigger and bigger ....
While TARA3's finale is next week and TAR13 is also almost to the end .... now they are filming ....
so RFF Detectives are also start to work ......... right?
Soon later TARA4 is coming too ....
If TPTB continue with the 20-23 day race schedule the teams should be back, the 20th -22nd give or take which is roughly a week away :ascared OMG!
Post by: michael on November 14, 2008, 11:40:32 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 15, 2008, 01:06:28 AM
If only I could sneak a peak at his passport.... :angel:
The trouble is that with all the local versions in Asia, plus TAR ISrael filming, it would be very very easy to overlook the smallest piece of info that would get us back on the trail again....
sooner or later though, we'll find them :snicker: back to the hunt :spy:
Post by: michael on November 15, 2008, 01:13:55 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 15, 2008, 03:14:01 PM
yeah, there could be spoilers out there right now we just can't find them. hopefully some more are found soon :'(
I have faith!! And if anyone knows something and should want to chat, :flirt: :angel: :flirt: you'll find us to be all ears!
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2008, 07:06:21 PM
New Blog.........
Sunday, November 16, 2008
I love it here
This place is amazing.
Ok. I had always heard that and went "yeah yeah it's probably ok", but it really is a great place.
Beautiful view, cool people and great food.
Oh yeah, plus I was drinking $3 Long Island Iced Teas last night.
I am in the hotel internet, so it is kind of expensive and I don't want to be long.
Exciting news- on my domestic flight going Bangkok- Phuket, the Amazing Race contestents caught the same flight. And as I expected it's all a shame. Camera crews set up and take multiple shots of them running to the ticket counter, and then they got off the plane and ran down the stairs, only to get held up by customs. Stupid f'cking Americans.
Ahh they were wankers. They yelled at the Air stewardess because their large cameras didn't fit in the overhead lockers, they walked around the plane the whole flight to be sure no one was filming them and they were the biggest bunch of knobs.
But hey what do you really expect from American reality shows??
Hope everything is good back in Brisbane...
Peace.
eta: posted at 10:15 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 15, 2008, 07:12:54 PM
So TAR 14? In Phuket?? Oh happy days!!
Good job puddin!! :hearts:
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2008, 07:28:44 PM
:wohoo: :jumpy: :jumpy: :wohoo:Oh someone would have found it eventually. Thanks to dhall's sighting this has to be us!!
So TAR 14? In Phuket?? Oh happy days!!
Good job puddin!! :hearts:
Post by: Slowhatch on November 15, 2008, 08:03:50 PM
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And as I expected it's all a shameI wonder if sham was meant.
Post by: topaz on November 15, 2008, 08:32:13 PM
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2008, 08:41:24 PM
Post by: apskip on November 15, 2008, 10:12:34 PM
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The island offers many different looks and feels for you to discover and enjoy. Kata Beach with its spectacular tropical scenery compared with the stately cassurina trees that are found on Nai Yang Beach just a few kilometers north. The triple canopy rainforest of Khao Phra Thaeo National Park to the mud flats and mangrove swamps of Koh Siray. Limestone outcroppings line the east coast and solid granite boulders on the west. Phuket is truly a tropical wonderland and offers something for just about everyone.
To help you find your way around the island this web site divides the island into five geographical areas Patong Beach, South Coast Area, Phuket Town, North Coast Area, and the North Central Area. It is organized around and gives directions from the Patong Beach area because the majority of visitors are located there. Those staying in the Kamala Beach area north of Patong or the Kata Beach and Karon Beach areas to the south should be able to easily make the necessary adjustments for distance and travel time.
Phuket Cruises, Phuket Elephant Trekking, ATV Tours, White Water Rafting , Phuket Golf and Simon Cabaret are major actiities available in the Phukey area.
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2008, 10:55:47 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/rff.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/p1010080.jpg)
Post by: michael on November 15, 2008, 11:00:50 PM
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2008, 11:06:48 PM
Post by: michael on November 15, 2008, 11:07:34 PM
Why do I think I've seen them before?
i thought so too puddin, the guy looks like Nick Lachey lol
was there any blog associated with the photo?
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2008, 11:12:02 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 15, 2008, 11:14:39 PM
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2008, 11:15:55 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/tatoo.jpg)
Post by: Slowhatch on November 15, 2008, 11:24:20 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 15, 2008, 11:25:09 PM
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2008, 11:35:09 PM
Ahem. Auburn is Alabama, lol. And we just beat the pants off them today in football! :yess:Oh I'm so dumb! And I watch college foot ball all the time! lol
Post by: Hooky on November 15, 2008, 11:50:57 PM
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2008, 12:52:00 AM
TOI is Tourismus Interlaken, and "care," I'm guessing, is the group or committee that's tasked with handling WRP.
From this link/PDF (http://www.interlaken.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/services/ueber_uns/interlaken/toi-rubrik/toirubrik-10-08.pdf) and then translated web page (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.interlaken.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/services/ueber_uns/interlaken/toi-rubrik/toirubrik-10-08.pdf&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=10&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DInterlaken%2Bamazing%2Brace%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dnews%26sa%3DN%26as_qdr%3Dm).
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/tv.jpg)
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 16, 2008, 01:19:50 AM
Post by: PeeT_Pm52 on November 16, 2008, 08:41:36 AM
Thailand :jam: :jam:
:sucks :sucks :sucks :sucks :sucks
Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2008, 01:17:32 PM
:thankyou: so much!! And we are hoping to have you join us here!!
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Thanks for your e-mail and excitement and I'm glad to be able to help
patching some of your Amazing Race puzzle!
We were on a train on Nov 2 to Spiez, Switzerland (and then transferring to
another train to Interlaken) when flocks of cameras and people got on in
Domodossola, Italy. I thought some sort of Italian celebrities were getting on
or something, but apparently they were Americans. They came around in our car
asking a few people 'around' us who were the locals from Italy (we boarded in
Milan) talking in a quiet manner, telling them that they are doing a travel show
without saying what it is. But it was obvious from their questions that for
people doing a travel show they had done NO research about where they were
filming (that's when we figured out what show it really was.)
We overheard they were quizzing people on the train for a certain name or place
in Interlaken, including talking to the Italian couple (both of whom spoke good
English and were well-traveled) sitting next to us. The team in on our car was
the ones in the photo, wearing orange shirts. We all rode to Spiez, and got off
and transferred to the train to Interlaken. It was probably a little after noon
when they boarded and it was about 2.30-3pm when we all got off in Interlaken. I
took photos of them at the train station when they were rushing into taxis and
heading somewhere. Each team seems to have a cameraman and a sound engineer
assigned and closely followed.
I also saw other 3 teams that got off (I don't really know how many are there in
total though). One older couple looking less agitated than the rest, another one
of looking-like sisters wearing green shirts, and the other team with an African
American lady. It's kind of funny that when we got off at Spiez awaiting quietly
to get on the next train, these teams all seemed scrambled and almost 'acted'
like they were going to miss a train and ran all over to get to the right
platform.. which was the one right next to where we got off. It was a tiny
station!
I'm attaching you another non-zoomed photo at the station too, taking at the
same time. I'm guessing that the older guy in there was the taxi driver.
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14Interlakencontestants.jpg)
Post by: apskip on November 16, 2008, 01:36:01 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2008, 01:47:03 PM
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2008, 02:10:58 PM
eta: actually this map is driving directions not train
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/Domodossola_ItalytoSwitzerland.jpg)
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2008, 02:23:04 PM
The trip from Locarno to Domodossola is made by way of the Ferrovie Autolinee Regionali Ticinesi, or FART. This is a metre gauge elecric train also known as the Centovalli Railway. It is an interurban line that runs between Locarno and Domodossola, and is run by two companies, FART in Switzerland, and SSIF, or Società subalpina di imprese ferroviarie, in Italy. The route is a key link in connecting the Gotthard Line with the Simplon Line along the southern edge of the Alps. The SBB connects with Locarno from Bellinzona and the Gotthard line to the east, and with Domodossola from Brig to the west.
and http://www.sbb.ch/en/
Post by: patlini on November 16, 2008, 02:25:23 PM
Post by: Chateau d If on November 16, 2008, 02:28:26 PM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14Interlakencontestants.jpg)
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/8185961.jpg)
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2008, 02:53:50 PM
So the could have spent time in Locarno on Nov 1st then early Nov 2 to Domodossola to Interlaken? Color me confused.
Post by: Chateau d If on November 16, 2008, 03:04:52 PM
Quote
I also saw other 3 teams that got off (I don't really know how many are there in
total though). One older couple looking less agitated than the rest, another one
of looking-like sisters wearing green shirts, and the other team with an African
American lady. It's kind of funny that when we got off at Spiez awaiting quietly
to get on the next train, these teams all seemed scrambled and almost 'acted'
like they were going to miss a train and ran all over to get to the right
platform.. which was the one right next to where we got off. It was a tiny
station!
I would guess that these 4 Teams are in the "middle" of three release groups from an overnight stay in Locarno. Their train left Locarno at 10:47 am and reached Domodossola at 12:35 pm. Then they got on the spoiler's train at 12:48 pm.
The trains from Locarno to Domodossola would be these three:
Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2008, 03:17:57 PM
http://www.eurail.com/downloads/eurail/map_Eurail2008_part2.pdf
Post by: apskip on November 16, 2008, 03:23:02 PM
dep. Spiez 1425 arr. Interlaken Ost 1454
dep. Speiz 1432 arr. Interlaken Ost 1451
Note: Above schedules were changed from the West to the West station, as suggested by Chateau.
Post by: apskip on November 16, 2008, 03:36:09 PM
Post by: Chateau d If on November 16, 2008, 04:32:49 PM
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Interlaken has 2 train schedules, East and West. It is the East which is most relevant to arriving from Spiez.
It probably does not matter too much but the Team was photographed getting a taxi outside the West Interlaken station.
Post by: Hooky on November 16, 2008, 10:16:08 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 16, 2008, 10:45:18 PM
Post by: Hooky on November 16, 2008, 10:50:18 PM
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2008, 11:02:37 PM
(http://i38.[banned image hosting site].com/2yvkzrq.jpg) TAR 14
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/southern_living_1164755340_dsc02126.jpg) Ushuaia, Argentina season 11
(http://i36.[banned image hosting site].com/2yjq7wx.jpg) Croatia season 12
Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2008, 11:06:19 PM
I asked more about the "sisters" and more about if they heard anything about where they needed to go:
re the "sisters":
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I meant they were looking alike, but perhaps they are just friends.
Re the task:
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I didn’t really hear what they were asking for during that time, but my husband thinks he heard they were asking how to find a person in Interlaken.
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 16, 2008, 11:40:21 PM
Post by: michael on November 16, 2008, 11:44:03 PM
What about the old couple what were they like. Gosh I hope they make it far!!
older could also be referring to a team like Ken/Tina
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 16, 2008, 11:58:41 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 17, 2008, 12:01:38 AM
Post by: michael on November 17, 2008, 12:02:44 AM
Heee... to you guys, old is probably thirty! :groan:
30 is anicent. Old is like 24 for me. (just kidding LOL)
*back to searching blogs*
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 17, 2008, 01:12:52 AM
Heee... to you guys, old is probably thirty! :groan:
30 is anicent. Old is like 24 for me. (just kidding LOL)
*back to searching blogs*
:wise young people these days just don't have the respect they used to...
...back in my day..... :lol:
Post by: georgiapeach on November 17, 2008, 10:55:49 AM
New Blog.........
Sunday, November 16, 2008
I love it here
This place is amazing.
Ok. I had always heard that and went "yeah yeah it's probably ok", but it really is a great place.
Beautiful view, cool people and great food.
Oh yeah, plus I was drinking $3 Long Island Iced Teas last night.
I am in the hotel internet, so it is kind of expensive and I don't want to be long.
Exciting news- on my domestic flight going Bangkok- Phuket, the Amazing Race contestents caught the same flight. And as I expected it's all a shame. Camera crews set up and take multiple shots of them running to the ticket counter, and then they got off the plane and ran down the stairs, only to get held up by customs. Stupid f'cking Americans.
Ahh they were wankers. They yelled at the Air stewardess because their large cameras didn't fit in the overhead lockers, they walked around the plane the whole flight to be sure no one was filming them and they were the biggest bunch of knobs.
But hey what do you really expect from American reality shows??
Hope everything is good back in Brisbane...
Peace.
eta: posted at 10:15 AM
Our Aussie blogger has been kind enough to share some more info with us-- :ty3: !!
I asked was it production or the teams who were being jerks, :lol:
(bolds are mine)
Quote
....
And I must admit it wasnt so much the contestants who were jerks, more the production crew. I spoke to one of the contestants, an asian looking man with his girlfriend.
Nice guy.
Also two older men.
The camera guys and production bothered me though, they seemed very pretentious, roaming around the plane like they owned it. As an Australian I do not appreciate this, as i believe everyone is the same, regardless of their fame, wealth, etc.
They all had a picture of a monkey and were looking for that.
our flight details were:
15/nov
Bangkok- phuket
thai airways
flight TG203- 0730
Sorry no pictures the camera crew acted like body guards.
Yes they did do multiple takes, one funny incedent was when we arrived all the teams ran, just to be held up by crowds and customs..that made me laugh.
...
hope this helps,
Post by: puddin on November 17, 2008, 11:04:59 AM
"They all had a picture of a monkey and were looking for that." :lol: :groan:
Post by: michael on November 17, 2008, 11:05:41 AM
Post by: puddin on November 17, 2008, 11:10:57 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 17, 2008, 11:11:58 AM
A quick Google gives us multiple choices:
Monkey Beach: http://www.phuket.as/monkeybeach.php
Monkey training School (http://www.fodors.com/world/asia/thailand/phuket-and-the-southern-beaches/review-433231.html): http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=31498988
Monkey Show at the zoo (please lord no):http://www.flixya.com/video/568356/Phuket_Monkey_Show#
Gibbon Rehab center (better): http://phuket.sawadee.com/grc.htm
Monkey Hill (http://jamie-monk.blogspot.com/2006/05/monkey-hill-phuket-khao-to-sae.html)
Please TAR, no trained monkey shows? :'(
Post by: georgiapeach on November 17, 2008, 11:14:04 AM
Post by: Neobie on November 17, 2008, 11:15:35 AM
Would it be a statue or something? (I know, I know, girl on a swing in Auckland...)
Found this (http://bp2.blogger.com/_cLbKNlAvgiY/Ro9RTLl1s3I/AAAAAAAAARs/SA5cX1dhqkA/s1600-h/Statue-Phuket.jpg) in Phuket and this in Krabi town...
(http://thestar.com.my/archives/2008/8/23/lifetravel/f_23monkey.jpg)
Post by: georgiapeach on November 17, 2008, 11:20:28 AM
This is nice though: http://www.hasekamp.net/gibbon.htm although I doubt they would go there.
Post by: michael on November 17, 2008, 11:22:54 AM
Post by: mjriches2005 on November 17, 2008, 12:16:49 PM
Post by: mjriches2005 on November 17, 2008, 12:21:27 PM
Post by: apskip on November 17, 2008, 03:42:30 PM
Nothing more... descriptive? 'Cause if that's all the teams had they'd be running around in all directions! (Like we are...)
Would it be a statue or something? (I know, I know, girl on a swing in Auckland...)
Found this (http://bp2.blogger.com/_cLbKNlAvgiY/Ro9RTLl1s3I/AAAAAAAAARs/SA5cX1dhqkA/s1600-h/Statue-Phuket.jpg) in Phuket and this in Krabi town...
(http://thestar.com.my/archives/2008/8/23/lifetravel/f_23monkey.jpg)
Neobie, I thought of Krabi also, but I rejected it as a possibility for AR14. First, the flight was into Phuket, not Krabi. Krabi has its own airport, with Thai Airways daily direct flights from Bangkok, Air Asia from Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur and Tiger Airways direct from Singapore and Darwin. It is about 100 km from Phuket to Krabi, so that would be a long distance to go to somewhere that you can fly into. AR1 went to Krabi, which was the jumping off point for scaling "The King". That does not prevent it from being used again, but I doubt that it was in AR14.
Post by: puddin on November 17, 2008, 03:47:11 PM
I'm asking, I'm asking! :groan: :pull :lol:Please ask him "Did you see or touch any monkeys?" :monkey
Post by: georgiapeach on November 17, 2008, 04:28:34 PM
http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=2667921&view=findpost&p=11051412
Thanks to ChristineC
Just Tuned In
Quote
While waiting at the Delhi airport on Thursday night Nov.13, I spotted Phil sitting by himself at our boarding area.
He was on his way to Bangkok, but said he was scouting a location in Delhi.
We talked about the show, his career and family, and he asked us what we were doing in Delhi.
Told him we are real fans and he thanked us for that.
I was very impressed with how friendly he was. Got two great pictures with him.
We talked for about ten minutes, but his flight was leaving, so he had to return to his boarding area.
What a nice guy !!!!
Lucky ME !!!!!!!
Post by: apskip on November 17, 2008, 04:39:41 PM
Post by: Chateau d If on November 17, 2008, 04:43:31 PM
Indian Airlines IC 857 leaving DEL at 12:05 am (on November 14th) and arriving in Bangkok at 5:30 am
or
Thai Airways International TG 316 leaving DEL at 12:05 am (on November 14th) and arriving in Bangkok at 5:35 am
Post by: puddin on November 17, 2008, 04:58:22 PM
From TWoP!A Phil sighting! Nice!! Thanks peach and thanks to ChristineC :)
http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=2667921&view=findpost&p=11051412
Thanks to ChristineC
Just Tuned InQuoteWhile waiting at the Delhi airport on Thursday night Nov.13, I spotted Phil sitting by himself at our boarding area.
He was on his way to Bangkok, but said he was scouting a location in Delhi.
We talked about the show, his career and family, and he asked us what we were doing in Delhi.
Told him we are real fans and he thanked us for that.
I was very impressed with how friendly he was. Got two great pictures with him.
We talked for about ten minutes, but his flight was leaving, so he had to return to his boarding area.
What a nice guy !!!!
Lucky ME !!!!!!!
Post by: georgiapeach on November 17, 2008, 05:01:03 PM
Post by: puddin on November 17, 2008, 05:42:15 PM
Remember that we had a rumor of them going on into Russia?? He could be connecting from there, right?Romania, if details are correct, they spent 3 days there so Nov 5 6 7 then off to Russia. Gosh looking at a map and there are so many options. How about Turkmenistan?
Post by: Belle Book on November 17, 2008, 08:26:03 PM
New Blog.........
Sunday, November 16, 2008
I love it here
This place is amazing.
Ok. I had always heard that and went "yeah yeah it's probably ok", but it really is a great place.
Beautiful view, cool people and great food.
Oh yeah, plus I was drinking $3 Long Island Iced Teas last night.
I am in the hotel internet, so it is kind of expensive and I don't want to be long.
Exciting news- on my domestic flight going Bangkok- Phuket, the Amazing Race contestents caught the same flight. And as I expected it's all a shame. Camera crews set up and take multiple shots of them running to the ticket counter, and then they got off the plane and ran down the stairs, only to get held up by customs. Stupid f'cking Americans.
Ahh they were wankers. They yelled at the Air stewardess because their large cameras didn't fit in the overhead lockers, they walked around the plane the whole flight to be sure no one was filming them and they were the biggest bunch of knobs.
But hey what do you really expect from American reality shows??
Hope everything is good back in Brisbane...
Peace.
eta: posted at 10:15 AM
Our Aussie blogger has been kind enough to share some more info with us-- :ty3: !!
I asked was it production or the teams who were being jerks, :lol:
(bolds are mine)Quote....
And I must admit it wasnt so much the contestants who were jerks, more the production crew. I spoke to one of the contestants, an asian looking man with his girlfriend.
Nice guy.
Also two older men.
The camera guys and production bothered me though, they seemed very pretentious, roaming around the plane like they owned it. As an Australian I do not appreciate this, as i believe everyone is the same, regardless of their fame, wealth, etc.
They all had a picture of a monkey and were looking for that.
our flight details were:
15/nov
Bangkok- phuket
thai airways
flight TG203- 0730
Sorry no pictures the camera crew acted like body guards.
Yes they did do multiple takes, one funny incedent was when we arrived all the teams ran, just to be held up by crowds and customs..that made me laugh.
...
hope this helps,
Okay, so I know the Asian couple makes it to Phuket at least. Maybe they'll make the finals and even win! I sure hope so -- I was so disappointed when Ron & Christina came in second last season!
Belle Book
Post by: apskip on November 18, 2008, 08:02:28 AM
Post by: selkie on November 18, 2008, 10:13:11 AM
I don't think they're going to skip Africa again. Also, they haven't done the Africa-Asia connection since TAR 7 (or TAR10 going in the reverse), so I think the somewheres are in Asia could be in Africa instead. We haven't done North Africa in ages - maybe Tunisia or (if they're really adventurous) Libya.
Unless things have significantly changed in the last 3-6 months, Libya would be off the list because it's very difficult for an American to get the right visa to get in there to film. When they filmed Long Way Down going through there not too long ago, their two American crew members could not get permission to enter the country despite months of trying, and they had to skip from Tunisia to Egypt instead of staying with the mostly English/EU team. Which is a shame because it looked like a beautiful place.
Even if the visa process has been streamlined to some degree, getting every single visa needed for 4-11 teams, plus film crews plus other production crew members in what's usually a pretty tight time frame after casting would probably be impossible at this point.
Kenya's also kind of iffy to make a tv show in right now because of recent ethnic violence.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 18, 2008, 01:00:38 PM
(And the Celt in me loves your name!)
Post by: puddin on November 18, 2008, 11:50:43 PM
Catching up on "Destination Unknown" (http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/earlyshow/main500202.shtml#)
• Maggie's Dubai Adventure
• Russ in Athens
• Russ enjoys Greek food -- in Greece!
• Julie in Paris
The only one that has not had a destination is Harry Smith I guess? So with that I'll guess we should keep our eyes on the Early Show next week for Phil's return? to perhaps wrap up the series.
Post by: selkie on November 19, 2008, 08:36:27 AM
As for the screen name, I was a swim team kid growing up, and always seemed to do better in water. I'm a total klutz on land.
Post by: Kogs on November 19, 2008, 10:04:05 AM
Welcome to the forum selkie :hithere:
Catching up on "Destination Unknown" (http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/earlyshow/main500202.shtml#)
• Maggie's Dubai Adventure
• Russ in Athens
• Russ enjoys Greek food -- in Greece!
• Julie in Paris
The only one that has not had a destination is Harry Smith I guess? So with that I'll guess we should keep our eyes on the Early Show next week for Phil's return? to perhaps wrap up the series.
harry is going to an aircraf carrier in the arabian sea
Post by: michael on November 19, 2008, 12:37:24 PM
three days left until the race is probably going to end! :'( :hides
Post by: Hooky on November 19, 2008, 04:07:50 PM
But 11 still seems waaay too short!
Post by: password on November 19, 2008, 04:21:58 PM
When i went for a close look it looked like an AMAZING RACE USA one
Post by: walkingpneumonia on November 19, 2008, 06:41:22 PM
Post by: marigold on November 19, 2008, 07:09:24 PM
:whoop: I saw reindeer being chased by a fat guy in a red suit on Bloor street - oh wait - that was the Santa Claus parade.
:funny: ha ha ha ha that is freaking hilarious I live on Bloor Street, yuppers Route Markers for the Santa Clause Parade
Good job though password :tup:
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 19, 2008, 08:57:50 PM
Post by: topaz on November 19, 2008, 09:06:18 PM
I live in Toronto and I have seen clueboxes downtown and i believe some are posted on this siteI dunno if that's a USA or Israel version, but you'll might get a clue on this link:
When i went for a close look it looked like an AMAZING RACE USA one
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17852.75.html
Post by: puddin on November 19, 2008, 09:48:04 PM
Post by: RichInSydney on November 20, 2008, 03:44:17 PM
Hopefully one of the team spots it!
Post by: puddin on November 21, 2008, 06:34:22 PM
Maybe something? :sucks
November 15, 2008~
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/phuket.jpg)
Two contestants in a TV production being filmed by foreigners in Phuket are on the verge of collapse after taking turns pulling each other around Phuket City as they raced against the clock in the midday heat.
PHUKET: At least four pairs of contestants taking part in a travel documentary are racing around Phuket using various forms of transport today.
One of the challenges that faced the contestants was to pull each other through Phuket City in the midday heat using rickshaws as they searched for “King Rama V Park”.
The contestants pictured here made “four wrong turns” and held up traffic while a camera man and a sound engineer followed them in a songtaew (wooden bus with benches). A policeman on a motorcycle also followed the contestants and crew to “ensure their safety”. The policeman told the reporter that even though he could easily have told them how to get to the park, he had been ordered not to give directions to the contestants.
The reporter caught up with production crew members at the park, but despite holding up traffic and creating quite a spectacle with brightly decorated rickshaws being pulled by very hot and stressed-looking farangs, they refused to make any comment on what they were doing, except to say that they were making a “random travel documentary”.
Post by: puddin on November 21, 2008, 06:41:55 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/larger-1.jpg)
Post by: georgiapeach on November 21, 2008, 07:14:42 PM
Thanks puddin!!
Oh why does the camera have to block the other team member, lol?
Only 4 teams left???
Finish line should be anytime now...
Post by: topaz on November 21, 2008, 08:55:18 PM
:hearts: :wohoo: :hearts:probably that was a non-elimination and a 9th out of 11 legs on Phuket, Thailand if it was 4 teams remained was sighted on that race. And going from that city to the US for the final race is too far, I think. If so, then the 10th leg is located somewhere in the North Pacific Rim countries but since none form my country [the Philippines] haven't sighted and heard the news yet that they'll gonna make a race again since season 5, and the possible places for the 10th leg of the race before going back to the US are Canada, South Korea, China, Japan, Saipan, Northern Marianas, Marshall Is., Papua or even in Vladivostok, Russia.
Thanks puddin!!
Oh why does the camera have to block the other team member, lol?
Only 4 teams left???
Finish line should be anytime now...
As for now, here's what we've heard and sighted on the contents of TAR 14 race legs:
Starting city --> San Diego or Los Angeles, USA
leg 1: Locarno, Switzerland
leg 2: Salzberg, Austria
leg 3: Bucharest, Romania
leg 4/5: probably in Russia, Turkey, Mideast, Armenia or Azerbaijan
leg 6: probably somewhere in East Africa (I hope Kenya)
leg 7: unknown
leg 8: probably India (again?), Nepal, Maldives or Bangladesh
leg 9: if it isn't a 2nd to the last leg, Phuket, Thailand
leg 10: probably Canada, South Korea, China, Japan, Saipan, Northern Marianas, Marshall Is., Papua or Vladivostok, Russia
final leg: back to USA
Post by: apskip on November 21, 2008, 09:16:40 PM
:hearts: :wohoo: :hearts:Referring to my timeline on the Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information thread, I have Phuket as the 8th leg of 11. There are 3 legs left after Phuket if I have made correct assessments of AR14. It is a given that there are 3 teams left for the final leg. So if one of leg 9 or 10 is NEL or TBC, then the inference that the 4 teams seen in Phuket are what is left appears to be true. The other possibilities is that both of those legs are elimination, in which case there are 5 teams and one was not seen by the observer, or double non-elimination legs in which case there are only 3 teams left..
Thanks puddin!!
Oh why does the camera have to block the other team member, lol?
Only 4 teams left???
Finish line should be anytime now...
Post by: michael on November 21, 2008, 09:25:01 PM
Post by: puddin on November 21, 2008, 09:32:37 PM
based on the legs that looks like a F/F team to me....(the legs of the hidden teamate)Of course you think that it looks like 2 females Michael, now get your head out of your pants. :colors
I'm on the fence whether male or female?
Post by: michael on November 21, 2008, 09:34:21 PM
well, the socks and the shoes seem to match the female pulling it, so who knows haha
maybe more info will come once we hear from the blogger?
---also, they haven't been to Canada in forever so maybe they'll come ?
Post by: puddin on November 21, 2008, 09:38:57 PM
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rob007
11-20-08, 05:22 PM (EST)
"Amazing Race 14 Started today in Seattle"
Hey guys I'm new to the forum, but I am a huge fan of the show and after what happened today I had to just join and share with someone. The Amazing Race 14 started today in Seattle, WA. I am on travel in Seattle and while at the Public Market this morning I had the chance to see 5 teams come through the market headed for Pier 66. I actually had one team stop and ask for directions. What a thrill. I love the show and just had to tell someone. By the way I wish they would do an eposide where they reveal all the behind the scenes information such as what happens at pit stops and so on....
blows/rtvw (http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID37/1581.shtml)
Post by: michael on November 21, 2008, 09:44:43 PM
that would make it a 21 day race (oct 31st - nov 20)
Post by: puddin on November 21, 2008, 09:50:41 PM
the finale 2 days ago?Cute and can count, your going to make a fine husband someday Michael :kuss:
that would make it a 21 day race (oct 31st - nov 20)
Hey so I don't know but am searching Seattle now ........
Post by: georgiapeach on November 21, 2008, 09:56:58 PM
Sounds funny though? 5 teams all together? Decoys would be scattered...
Although yesterday could be right.
I would think if they had been at Pier 66 we should have had more news--worse than Portland! :funny:
Post by: puddin on November 21, 2008, 10:00:41 PM
Post by: Slowhatch on November 21, 2008, 10:20:29 PM
I'm reasonably certain they're entering Rama IX park off of Chao Fah road; there's no Rama V park in Phuket that I could find. Compare the plants and the orange/rattan looking building in the background to this (http://www.mapjack.com/?iQdwT3PLXcwD).
Post by: georgiapeach on November 21, 2008, 10:36:54 PM
http://www.thaiwaysmagazine.com/phuket_map/phuket_map_town.html
Post by: puddin on November 21, 2008, 10:38:12 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/phuket.jpg)You find the best stuff Slowhatch! :yess: :jam:
I'm reasonably certain they're entering Rama IX park off of Chao Fah road; there's no Rama V park in Phuket that I could find. Compare the plants and the orange/rattan looking building in the background to this (http://www.mapjack.com/?iQdwT3PLXcwD).
I can't get the angle but ......
(http://i38.[banned image hosting site].com/2dm7f61.jpg)
Post by: selkie on November 22, 2008, 11:45:20 AM
Post by: Belle Book on November 22, 2008, 02:05:13 PM
Belle Book
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2008, 02:30:48 PM
It's possible that the male guy isn't heavily built. In any case, we either have an all-female team or the Asian couple -- and I think somebody said the Asian couple makes it to Phuket.From the eyewitness/on the Phuket flight *one of the contestants, an asian looking man with his girlfriend. Nice guy
Belle Book
Post by: mswood on November 22, 2008, 06:01:30 PM
See and that is why Michael is beloved on this board.....Heee... to you guys, old is probably thirty! :groan:
30 is anicent. Old is like 24 for me. (just kidding LOL)
*back to searching blogs*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 23, 2008, 12:28:33 AM
Thanks to apple73 at TWoP!
Amazing Race pitstops in Sydney
By David Knox on November 23, 2008 Filed Under News The Amazing Race swept through Sydney last week, shooting episodes of its 14th season.
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One reader tells TV Tonight, “I was in Sydney this weekend and they were filming new Amazing Race. They were at the Opera House. Two teams came up running with camera crews -I was so excited! I think they were after Mrs Macquarie’s Chair. I wanted to follow, them I love the show!”
According to news.com.au it was also in Manly: ….for an hour or so there was a sudden stampede of earnest, sweaty, tired types with backpacks clambering on the sand.
It’s not the first time TAR has visited Sydney, previously visiting the Harbour Bridge and Harry’s Cafe de Wheels. It’s also raced through Brissy, Perth, Adelaide, Cairn, Coober Pedy and Darwin.
Of the 14th season, Keoghan has said, “It’s incredible. It’s amazing, quite frankly. We’ll be heading out for the 14th time to go around the world. We keep having this opportunity and for me, it’s the best job I’ve ever had and I love it. And thankfully the viewers love it and it’s always nice to be employed and when you get employed. You get to go around the world and shoot great adventures with people and with an audience, there’s nothing more exciting than that.”
Source: news.com.au, CBS
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/11/amazing-race-pitstops-in-sydney.html
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 01:11:06 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 23, 2008, 05:22:58 AM
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 11:22:11 AM
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Today @ 11:27 am Post#26
From the very unlikely but let-it-be-known department:
I'm driving into Tacoma, WA this morning along WA-509 around 8am when I saw boards saying "Filming in progress along 509, 6:30 -11:30am". Save for some cops waiting at the edges of this area, I saw no signs of a major film crew or anything they looked like fixed cameras in place. The area right before 509 dumps into downtown Tacoma (crossing to 705) was wetted down, however.
(Downtown Tacoma map; the 509 is the far right of it)
Now, again, this could be a legitimate film shoot, but the schedule is 1) about 23-24 days after the race started in late October, so returning to the US about now would be correct and 2) this follows the usual TAR tradition of an early morning Sunday end date. If I wasn't busy, I would have checked out a few places for TAR flags but I didn't see anything.
Now, why'd they be on the 509 would be likely one of two things (as if they were coming in from anywhere else, they'd be on the I-5): they could have had a task at one of the dockyards to the east, and then had to travel to a point proper inside Tacoma (for example, Defiance Park , which is the upper left part of the map), which makes the 509 appropriate, or they are trying to get to downtown Tacoma proper (like, for example, the Glass museum, a block away from 509/705) which they would come up I-5, onto the 705, and then onto 509 and into the city.
Again, I saw no flags, no film crew, no circling copters, so this simply could be a real film shoot, however it can't hurt to hope :-) (unfortunately today is really foggy, so panaramic shoots would not be great).
I did a quicky search and came up with this, the Glass Museum would work for the Toyota commercial.
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More Filming in Downtown Tacoma - Tomorrow
(20. November 2008, 13:19 ) ~
A film crew will shut down Commerce Street between S. 15th and S. 17th Streets on Friday, Nov. 21. The time frame the production coordinator has provided is 2 p.m. – 5 p.m. However, closure could occur as early as 1 p.m. During the closure, Pierce Transit will operate the Tacoma Link service using Pierce Transit buses.
Here’s the word:
It’ll be a Toyota commercial. They’ll be shooting in front of the Convention Center on Friday. Then, on Sunday, they’ll be down at the 21st Street Bridge and the Museum of Glass
http://www.exit133.com/4876/more-filming-in-downtown-tacoma-tomorrow
Post by: TARA on November 24, 2008, 01:59:07 AM
and more detailed information was post out
sorry, phil and Mr. Van Munster. I love your show so much, but people here just want to know more about it.
so here it is:
date: nov.18th
l
ocation: Guilin, Guangxi Province, China
a beautiful city with world famous
official tourisim site http://www.guilintourist.com/
Two crusted movements of earth took place about 200 and 180 million years age thrusting the limestone sediments out of the sea bottom. They were forced upwards more than 200 meters to the surface. This Karst formation was molded through many years of erosion by the wind and rain to become the hills and rocks with bizarre shapes. There are numerous complete Karst (limestone sites), which are of high scientific value and tour value.
Strongly recommended by the World Tourism Organization (WTO), Guilin is one of the most picturesque places in the world, making it one of the most ideal tourist destinations. With such an abundance of attractions, it has always possessed a special charm and appeal to visitors, especially to foreign visitors.
a girl said her boyfriend helped the production, seemed like to be one of the local assistant.
she claimed that when her bf told her that, she instantly thought about TAR and could confirm that.
they lived in Sheraton and the pit top was Sun-Moon-Tower.
and a mountain named Di-Tsai was also visited.
They also have been to a steel factory.
It was also said teams had to go to a hair salon to wash their hair.
Phil was described very tall and handsome by her bf.
And for security reasons, all assistants have been asked to remain their position after everyone is on the plane, the left the same day.
so far, no photo evidence.
P.S some others said people see a lot of foreign people running in the subway in Shanghai days b4 that which the city was visited in season 6.
a little about myself: a 19y.o Chinese boy currently studies in the U.S bcuz after watching TAR, I have decided to be a TV producer. AMAZING RACE is really amazing,
did anyone feel about their editing of the show had been worse since S9?
i checked out because BVM became the direcor of the show since that time. I would say S5-S7 were wonderful editing, but now, i don't get the feeling when I first time watch TAR of S5.
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 02:13:13 AM
I went to a local net-forum of TAR fans in china and someone posted saying TAR14 was visiting china. they saw Phil and the production crew. more than 40 people replied (that's a large number of population in the forum)Thanks for the info TARA! I believe this is true. Can you provide a link to the China forum?
and more detailed information was post out
sorry, phil and Mr. Van Munster. I love your show so much, but people here just want to know more about it.
so here it is:
date: nov.18th
l
ocation: Guilin, Guangxi Province, China
a beautiful city with world famous
official tourisim site http://www.guilintourist.com/
Two crusted movements of earth took place about 200 and 180 million years age thrusting the limestone sediments out of the sea bottom. They were forced upwards more than 200 meters to the surface. This Karst formation was molded through many years of erosion by the wind and rain to become the hills and rocks with bizarre shapes. There are numerous complete Karst (limestone sites), which are of high scientific value and tour value.
Strongly recommended by the World Tourism Organization (WTO), Guilin is one of the most picturesque places in the world, making it one of the most ideal tourist destinations. With such an abundance of attractions, it has always possessed a special charm and appeal to visitors, especially to foreign visitors.
a girl said her boyfriend helped the production, seemed like to be one of the local assistant.
she claimed that when her bf told her that, she instantly thought about TAR and could confirm that.
they lived in Sheraton and the pit top was Sun-Moon-Tower.
and a mountain named Di-Tsai was also visited.
They also have been to a steel factory.
It was also said teams had to go to a hair salon to wash their hair.
Phil was described very tall and handsome by her bf.
And for security reasons, all assistants have been asked to remain their position after everyone is on the plane, the left the same day.
so far, no photo evidence.
P.S some others said people see a lot of foreign people running in the subway in Shanghai days b4 that which the city was visited in season 6.
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 02:20:42 AM
Post by: topaz on November 24, 2008, 06:29:40 AM
And next year, it'll be the productions of TAR 15, TARA 4 and TAR LA, simultaneously. And what country do you think it might feature on the filming of these 3 seasons of different TAR franchise, simultaneously? Remember when both TAR 12 and TARA 2 was simultaneously filmed, last year, they'd featured Japan but they'd went to a different cities [on TAR 12 it was Osaka while TARA 2 was in Tokyo] and 6 or 7 months ago both TAR 13 and TARA 3, they'd raced to India. Isn't it coincidence?
So, I'll take a guess, maybe Canada for TAR 15, TARA 4 and TAR LA?
Post by: apskip on November 24, 2008, 08:12:56 AM
Post by: apskip on November 24, 2008, 12:52:35 PM
So I can tell you which 3 Indian or Nepalese cities it is not likely to be. I have to go back to the drawing boards for other Indian cities that would be most accessible through Delhi. That list would have Bikaner, Varanasi, and Gwalior on it. It is possible that AR14 only had Phil connect in Delhi from somewhere north or west of India, but I doubt this. The rich Amazing Race episodes in India are legendary and I doubt they bypassed India if it was along the way.
Post by: Belle Book on November 24, 2008, 06:07:31 PM
Belle Book
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 24, 2008, 09:27:24 PM
Leg 1: L.A to Locarno, Switzerland
Leg 2: Switzerland to Domodossola, Italy and Interlaken, Switzerland
Leg 3: Switzerland to Salzburg, Austria
Leg 4: Austria to Brasov/Bucharest, Romania
Legs 5/6: African Countries
Leg 7: Russia: Unsure of timeline?
Leg 8: Phuket
Leg 9: Bangkok
Leg 10: Guilin, China
Finale: Back to homesoil!
Post by: MilkBB on November 25, 2008, 06:45:47 AM
People in australia have spotted racers in Sydney filming for the 14th season at the Sydney Opera House
Post by: nbase41 on November 25, 2008, 07:05:01 AM
pure spec. but
Leg 1: L.A to Locarno, Switzerland
Leg 2: Switzerland to Domodossola, Italy and Interlaken, Switzerland
Leg 3: Switzerland to Salzburg, Austria
Leg 4: Austria to Brasov/Bucharest, Romania
Legs 5/6: African Countries
Leg 7: Russia: Unsure of timeline?
Leg 8: Phuket
Leg 9: Bangkok
Leg 10: Guilin, China
Finale: Back to homesoil!
I don't believe TAR has been to and I wish they would go to: Cartagena, Colombia - Barbados/ any of the Lesser Antilles, Sri Lanka, Ghana, Suriname, East Timor......some of which might pose travel or security issues. Hey, maybe North Korea huh?
Post by: selkie on November 25, 2008, 07:32:24 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 08:13:58 AM
I am searching amazing race 14 while i was seeing this sentences in wikipedia.
People in australia have spotted racers in Sydney filming for the 14th season at the Sydney Opera House
:welcome: milkBB! We have all the Sydney sightings in the TAR Israel thread Here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17852.0.html)
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2008, 08:07:43 PM
Metropolitan News-Enterprise
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
Page
Anti-Defamation League Honors Two Attorneys
By a MetNews Staff Writer
The Anti-Defamation League will honor Los Angeles attorney Arthur N. Greenberg and Beverly Hills attorney Samuel Freshman at its annual dinner celebration Dec. 10, the organization has announced.
Greenberg, a founding partner of Greenberg Glusker Fields Claman & Machtinger LLP, will receive the group’s Jurisprudence Award, while Freshman, a founding partner of the Beverly Hills real estate firm Freshman, Marantz, Orlanski, Cooper and Klein, will share the group’s Humanitarian Award with his wife, Ardyth Freshman.
The organization said yesterday that Greenburg, also the former president of the Legal Aid Foundation of Los Angeles County, was being honored for his activism and leadership in several national and local Jewish organizations.
Admitted to the State Bar in 1953, he attended college and law school at UCLA.
The group also said that Freshman and his wife were being honored for their initiation and underwriting of the ADL’s Bearing Witness program for the past six years in Los Angeles.
The program is a partnership with the Archdiocese of Los Angeles’ Department of Catholic Schools that provides training to Catholic school teachers, seminarians and priests in order to teach about the history of anti-Semitism and the Holocaust.
Freshman attended college and law school at Stanford University, and was admitted to the State Bar in 1957.
The keynote speaker for the celebration, which will take place at the Beverly Hilton Hotel in Beverly Hills and begin at 6:30 p.m., will be University of California President Mark G. Yudof. Master of Ceremonies is Phil Keoghan, Emmy-winning host of television’s The Amazing Race.
Tickets for the event are available through the ADL website and are $450 per person. Proceeds help ADL projects combating bigotry, prejudice and anti-Semitism.
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2008/adl112508.htm
Post by: Neobie on November 26, 2008, 06:08:01 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/phuket.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9412/dsc01543qo9.jpg)
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 08:22:36 AM
From a blog dated 11/25 but describing events that occured 11/21-23 as best as I can tell: Starts at Beijing airport!
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Three airlines, twelve “customer service” representatives and multiple people yelling at each other in Mandarin later we found ourselves on an Air China flight back to Tokyo. We’re still not sure why or what they were screaming but it seemed to be the norm for the airport. That said, it was a lovely airport.
During this ordeal we couldn’t help but notice two groups of travelers flashing American passports being flanked by their own teams of cameramen looking a little too giddy to be at the airport in Beijing at 8am. Oddly enough, it seems that we found ourselves in the middle of CBS’ “Amazing Race” with two teams on our flight. Without giving too much away, I can assure you that all of the panic and suspense of the actual show comes from some really great editing. On this particular day we found ourselves watching the double mint twins in matching sweatshirts, bleached teeth and badly dyed red hair preen the entire time for the cameras.
M had to remind me a few times that something are better thought than said aloud and that when calling people “twits” and such it’s best to do it at a volume they can’t hear you.
Forthunately the flight itself wasn’t bad as a nap and bag of M&Ms calmed me down considerable after being cut in front of by the camera crew multiple times had me rather annoyed.
Still we had quite a ways to go and even bumped into the host Phil Keoghan as he waited for his flight to film the finale in Hawaii. It’s important to note that the running, fighting and begging for seats that you see on TV didn’t really happen and oh yeah, Phil flies business class.
Post by: walkingpneumonia on November 26, 2008, 09:04:15 AM
Bet they're glad not to be in Bangkok this week...
Post by: DrRox on November 26, 2008, 09:20:29 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 09:23:50 AM
I was just about to post that one.
Bet they're glad not to be in Bangkok this week...
Amen to that! Prayers for all there:
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/
Post by: apskip on November 26, 2008, 10:36:49 AM
So this leads me to conclude that there was an 11th leg in the Beijing area before a final 12th leg. Otherwise, there would be no reason to go through Beijing airport.
We still don't know where the leg between Phuket and Guilin goes.
I am going to ponder this and make appropriate alterations to tthe AR14 Timeline.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 10:43:17 AM
Remember too that the Pacific Northwest remains only speculation for now, Tacoma has been pretty much ruled out.
I hope to know more soon! :hearts:
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 10:55:11 AM
I wonder is that is the new 2nd Fast Forward.......instead of shaved head, now it is a bad red dye job!per the Guilin info posted by TARA maybe? http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17941.0.html
Cool find peach!! :yes:
Post by: michael on November 26, 2008, 11:31:04 AM
THANKS PEACH...
and holy crap Neobie, LOL, it's an EXACT match! good job! :D
(http://blog.wired.com/biotech/images/doublemint_twins753712.jpg)
Post by: manilaguna on November 26, 2008, 11:59:44 AM
Post by: manilaguna on November 26, 2008, 12:01:08 PM
Post by: michael on November 26, 2008, 12:02:24 PM
wow! after 9 seasons we will have a "new" twin team hmmm but what's with the double mint remark? I don't get it...hopefully it's a FF team ;p remember the poster who said that he saw a "sister looking team" maybe that's them or probably a new one that hasn't been spotted yet! ^^ hopefully CBS will show a TAR14 preview in the finale *crossed fingers ^^
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the team with the badly dyed red hair is the two blondes that were spotted in romania (i think it was romania) that supposedly looked a lot alike....they may not actually be twins. Like DrRox and Puddin speculated I bet one of the tasks or maybe a FF was previously a dye your hair an ugly color or something because it was said that teams had to visit a salon in guilin.
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 12:09:22 PM
Post by: michael on November 26, 2008, 12:11:12 PM
peach and I were just on the phone saying " I wonder when Michael would write......" OMG F/F FTW :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
:neener: :neener: :neener:
you knew it was only a matter of time.
BUT STILL. I refuse to root for them.
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 26, 2008, 12:32:16 PM
Post by: manilaguna on November 26, 2008, 12:46:22 PM
Hmmm…putting it all together it seems plausible that the girls in green tops are indeed the “double mint twins?” who got bleached in China as a part of their task or maybe the Fast Forward as u guys said…bleached teeth is indeed a custom in many parts of Asia but I dunno about bleached hair? ^^ a Fast Forward in the final 4 would be awesome because it never happened before! Whew! I’m so excited now! lol
Furthermore, it seems like we might have 4 female teams this coming soon?
1. dustin-kandice look alike or prolly the double mint twins (in Switzerland and China)
2. brunettes wearing pink and blue (in Romania & Thailand)
3. older African American team (in Switzerland & Romania)
4. flight attendants (in Romania)
F/F FTW!!! ^^
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 01:51:43 PM
Nov 5th
Brasov & Bucharest, Romania
romaniafan:
*I spotted at least four teams coming thru baggage claim at about that time, one of which might have overlapped with the ones my friend spotted
* Asian couple with backpacks
* two girls, looked to be in their 20s
*.. then I saw at least two other teams and their camera crews come running through the doors -
**one was two slightly older African American ladies,
***and another was two rather short men
romaniafans friend who was on flight with the teams:
*She was sitting right next to one of the contestants, my friend said she was a Kelly Ripa lookalike. This contestant had another friend sitting up a few rows, who she kept referring to as Chrissy.
**The lady also told the flight attendant that she and her friend Chrissy are Southwest Airlines flight attendants back home.
***She said she also had noticed one other team of two girls with backpacks and camera crews, which I suspect *may* have been the pair I (romaniafan) saw stalled outside baggage claim, but not sure.
****My friend said the racer sitting next to her on the plane had mentioned that others "from our group" had been on an earlier flight that day. And as I may have already mentioned, she was wearing a t-shirt with a picture of her daughter that said "I love you wherever I go".
Post by: michael on November 26, 2008, 01:52:35 PM
Post by: password on November 26, 2008, 05:35:43 PM
Post by: Hooky on November 26, 2008, 06:42:54 PM
Post by: Belle Book on November 26, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
oh BOY!!!
From a blog dated 11/25 but describing events that occured 11/21-23 as best as I can tell: Starts at Beijing airport!QuoteThree airlines, twelve “customer service” representatives and multiple people yelling at each other in Mandarin later we found ourselves on an Air China flight back to Tokyo. We’re still not sure why or what they were screaming but it seemed to be the norm for the airport. That said, it was a lovely airport.
During this ordeal we couldn’t help but notice two groups of travelers flashing American passports being flanked by their own teams of cameramen looking a little too giddy to be at the airport in Beijing at 8am. Oddly enough, it seems that we found ourselves in the middle of CBS’ “Amazing Race” with two teams on our flight. Without giving too much away, I can assure you that all of the panic and suspense of the actual show comes from some really great editing. On this particular day we found ourselves watching the double mint twins in matching sweatshirts, bleached teeth and badly dyed red hair preen the entire time for the cameras.
M had to remind me a few times that something are better thought than said aloud and that when calling people “twits” and such it’s best to do it at a volume they can’t hear you.
Forthunately the flight itself wasn’t bad as a nap and bag of M&Ms calmed me down considerable after being cut in front of by the camera crew multiple times had me rather annoyed.
Still we had quite a ways to go and even bumped into the host Phil Keoghan as he waited for his flight to film the finale in Hawaii. It’s important to note that the running, fighting and begging for seats that you see on TV didn’t really happen and oh yeah, Phil flies business class.
Hmm ... I'll bet the bleached teeth and badly dyed red hair were part of a Fast-Forward task -- or at least the badly dyed hair was. And the blonde women were probably the team who had their hair dyed -- which means they probably make the Final 3! Well, at least we'll have an all-female team in the finals -- let's hope this team's a good one!
Belle Book
Post by: topaz on November 26, 2008, 07:32:53 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 08:05:39 PM
Honolulu is NOT known to be the final city. All we know right now is that teams are heading to Hawaii. We don't know the final island even, so to say Honolulu is final city is premature, I think.
We also know that TOKYO is a connection only per the blog itself. I recall reading nothing about a waiting list.
It is fun to speculate on what may or may not happen, but at this point it is crucial that we all be quite clear about what is and what isn't KNOWN vs SPEC. Otherwise we will all be getting Google alerts saying that RFF says that Honolulu is the final city. :groan:
We also don't know yet whether teams were in Beijiing for tasks or not, but I am inclined to agree that it could be quite possibly the last leg before the finale.
But as spec I heard quite a bit of chatter from various sources that suggested that the Olympic Stadium in Beijiing was going to be used for a task in TARA 3 , so perhaps that all was meant for TAR 14 and not TARA at all?? I'd love that!
Post by: Neobie on November 26, 2008, 09:51:05 PM
Only about 5% of the conversations were in English, so there might have been quite some miscommunication...
According to the gardeners, a group arrived in the park at about 4pm. Production in the park went on for about two hours, until about 6pm. They gave me the *running motion* *around the lake motion*. Appearing frequently in the conversation was the English word "exercise".
A cyclist told me that production spent time in the Fitness Center - a tiny indoor public gym on the north side of the park. Normal opening hours are 6am to 9.30am and then 5pm to 8.30pm (for the working class), so there might have been an Hours of Operation. The guy who opened the shutters at 5pm couldn't, or wouldn't, communicate anything about what happened.
The Phuket Gazette photo was taken next to a police booth. Nothing from them. The shops along the road outside the park mostly don't know anything, and even those who said they knew, I think those were false positives. (My fault, my Thai sucks.)
I have absolutely no idea what they could have done in that gym. It's just weights machines and stuff. There were photos of a muay thai event on the notice board though, but it looked like a different location. Heading all the way to Phuket, to lift weights??
Oh, by the way? Teams trying to get to "Rama Nine Park" will not get ANYTHING out of the locals. They know it as Seum Luang, and even then it's pronounced quite differently than the way we would...
Your foreign correspondent Neobie, reporting from Phuket.
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 10:00:22 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 11:38:04 PM
Thanks for the info!! :hearts:
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2008, 10:23:16 PM
Post by: michael on November 27, 2008, 10:25:52 PM
And no surprise to those of us who are following the TIMELINE thread, but I am pleased to be able to confirm from an independent source, that the race did finish 100% on or before 11/23, and almost certainly either on or just before 11/22. :angel:
you are so good!
GO F/F team!
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 27, 2008, 10:58:47 PM
Post by: manilaguna on November 28, 2008, 08:07:53 AM
Post by: Neobie on November 28, 2008, 10:48:00 AM
Popped by the Phuket Zoo, and the staff there were very reluctant about saying anything to do with filming! There were some pretty lame excuses ("Oh there are many people." "Oh I forget."), so I can pretty much confirm that this is one of our racers' locations!
Which, sad to say, kind of means a monkey show is slated to appear on our TV screens soon.
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2008, 10:54:36 AM
You know how astronomers find new stars by looking where there's a blank spot in the night sky? Yeah that's kind of the way it is with TAR.Your awesome Neobie! thank you for the new info!
Popped by the Phuket Zoo, and the staff there were very reluctant about saying anything to do with filming! There were some pretty lame excuses ("Oh there are many people." "Oh I forget."), so I can pretty much confirm that this is one of our racers' locations!
Which, sad to say, kind of means a monkey show is slated to appear on our TV screens soon.
....and we all hope you are home or at least somewhere safe! :hugs: :kuss:
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2008, 11:20:57 AM
Thanks for sharing Neobie! TAR Detectives in action! :yess:
Post by: michael on November 28, 2008, 11:41:55 AM
THIS WAS A LIE -- IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I REALLY THINK, GO HERE: http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/4099822/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html
OK well, I was sent this on facebook,
take it for what it's worth ....
eta: :lies: :lies: :ahat:
Quote
I have some information regarding TAR 14, but unfortunately the website won't send me an activation email, so I am passing this info on the only way possible for me at the moment.
One of my mothers friends saw several teams in Thailand and because she is a TAR fan, she recognized them straight away and began talking to them.
One of the teams was the father/son team
One was the young dating team in orange, one of whom was deaf.
The third team was a team of two male dwarfs (possibly the 'two short men')
She spoke with the deaf woman for a long time in the airport, and she whispered 'we're in a race' to her. The deaf woman also said to trip the dwarfs, they aren't nice people.
There were camera men with every team who were being very careful about people taking photos. In spite of this, she said she managed to get several good photos of the teams she saw.
I will send the photos when I can get my hands on them.
If this were true that would mean the F4 is: two short men, father/son, orange auburn couple, and a f/f team ....
I'm not buying it, but i wanted to post it anyways just in case lol.
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2008, 11:47:13 AM
OH pictures!! I want to see them!
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2008, 12:07:32 PM
Pictures will be fabulous, of course!
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2008, 12:10:37 PM
She "talked" a long time w/ the deaf woman? Not unless she she signs! :snicker:We don't know that she doesn't sign? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, I don't think someone would go through so much trouble to make up a story you know? If its fake I'll take the blame so says Michael :D
Post by: michael on November 28, 2008, 12:12:40 PM
if SHE:
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm2/wakwakwak_2008/wipppppppp.jpg)
was deaf, wouldn't she have hearing aids?
she looks like she's talking to the taxi driver?
Post by: walkingpneumonia on November 28, 2008, 12:57:39 PM
Maybe the sound guy isn't recording her because she isn't speaking - just pointing out stuff on the paper.
And why are there two vans?
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 28, 2008, 01:45:01 PM
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2008, 01:49:04 PM
Notice in the picture that they are taping her, but the sound guy is occupied with the other van.2 vans because there are several teams. And who says because she is deaf she cannot speak? even so wouldn't the male be recorded...
Maybe the sound guy isn't recording her because she isn't speaking - just pointing out stuff on the paper.
And why are there two vans?
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 28, 2008, 02:18:04 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2008, 02:32:45 PM
There is still a division among which route is better for hearing impaired children: do you mainstream them into lip reading and speech or do you go with primarily signing?
The way the info was relayed to me made me think that signing would be the case here, but that could always be my misinterpretation of what I was told. If so, it will be my bad!
Post by: Belle Book on November 28, 2008, 03:03:06 PM
Belle Book
Post by: Coutzy on November 28, 2008, 05:01:09 PM
Unless my mum is lying to me, and that would mean in turn that mum's friend is lying to her, the info is legit.
It came from a fan of the race, that's why she took all the photos.
And RE: The deaf girl, do we all remember Christa from Survivor a while back who spoke and read lips?
I think this woman would speak to most people because, let's face it, how many people know how to sign?
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2008, 05:17:24 PM
Hello everybody, Michael's emailer here.
Unless my mum is lying to me, and that would mean in turn that mum's friend is lying to her, the info is legit.
It came from a fan of the race, that's why she took all the photos.
And RE: The deaf girl, do we all remember Christa from Survivor a while back who spoke and read lips?
I think this woman would speak to most people because, let's face it, how many people know how to sign?
Thanks for the info Coutzy :jumpy:. I didn't think someone would go through all this trouble to make up a story so went with my gut. Do you know if the friend gave your mom a date?
Post by: Coutzy on November 28, 2008, 05:22:04 PM
And I'm definitely not making this up, I wouldn't do that to the only people in the world who can match my love for TAR.
Seriously, I'm downloading TAR 13 off youtube because I can't wait two weeks for it to be on Aussie TV, and I can't wait 24 hours for the torrent to download.
That's commitment.
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2008, 05:28:38 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 28, 2008, 06:23:45 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2008, 07:42:40 PM
Thank you so much for being persistent in finding a way to share this with us, and please thank your Mom's friend as well, I hope she is safe?
What great luck to have a TAR fan see them at the airport! :hearts:
Would it be possible to clarify with her which airport, what date she saw them, and the approximate time? Which way were they headed?
I will be eager to hear more about her description of the hearing impaired racer-- as we all know, Adrian and Collin showed in TARA 2 that winning the race is totally possible for a hearing impaired racer. I think seeing the communication dynamics will be so interesting--perhaps it won't even be an issue! I remember Adrain and Collin saying that sign language could be a great way for them to communicate privately, so it could be fun to see if that happens here. Clearly they are doing great in the race to make it this far!
And please let me know if I can help with links to TAR13 for you...
Post by: Coutzy on November 28, 2008, 08:50:22 PM
The woman I got the info from is back home, she's just waiting on her friend, who has all the pictures.
The second I get a hold of them, you guys will be the first to know.
EDIT: Also, she only saw three teams on her flight, so there's definitely some separation between teams in Thailand, unless they all caught the same connecting or had an hours of operation leveler.
Post by: asamber1 on November 28, 2008, 11:34:19 PM
But many deaf people dont wear hearing aids [Marlee Matlin doesnt wear any, Christie on Survivor Didnt]. Also she didnt say how deaf the girls was, she could just be deaf in one ear.
Post by: michael on November 29, 2008, 12:00:30 AM
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About that filming crew, well two braided pigtailed twins in backpacks ran by us as a film crew chased them —we were watching the Amazing Race!! We figured it was the German television version.
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 12:02:43 AM
Found this from a blog...not sure exactly WHERE or WHEN, but it was posted on Nov 26th..Already posted Michael, in the Israel thread.QuoteAbout that filming crew, well two braided pigtailed twins in backpacks ran by us as a film crew chased them —we were watching the Amazing Race!! We figured it was the German television version.
I dont want to sound off, but when i look at the girl in Orange she just looks deaf to me idk why.What the hell? How does someone look deaf? *groan*
But many deaf people dont wear hearing aids [Marlee Matlin doesnt wear any, Christie on Survivor Didnt]. Also she didnt say how deaf the girls was, she could just be deaf in one ear.
Post by: michael on November 29, 2008, 12:04:03 AM
Found this from a blog...not sure exactly WHERE or WHEN, but it was posted on Nov 26th..Already posted Michael, in the Israel thread.QuoteAbout that filming crew, well two braided pigtailed twins in backpacks ran by us as a film crew chased them —we were watching the Amazing Race!! We figured it was the German television version.I dont want to sound off, but when i look at the girl in Orange she just looks deaf to me idk why.What the hell? How does someone look deaf? *groan*
But many deaf people dont wear hearing aids [Marlee Matlin doesnt wear any, Christie on Survivor Didnt]. Also she didnt say how deaf the girls was, she could just be deaf in one ear.
ooopsy doodles LOL
i probably look so blind right now!
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 29, 2008, 01:27:03 AM
Post by: Neobie on November 29, 2008, 02:39:01 AM
With the help of Peach, managed to find the office of the Phuket Gazette editorial team. They've been really happy to help (thanks guys!), but what they know, they've already put in the story. Chief editor Nick Davies was the one who spotted the teams at Rama IX Park. He tried talking to some of the production crew, but they refused to tell him anything.
What he can tell us though, is that this happened in the early afternoon.
Thanks to Mr Stephen Fein, Mr Nick Davies and the entire Phuket Gazette editorial team. You've been too kind to entertain us!
(One last part on Phuket coming up the next couple of days...)
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 02:48:40 AM
Post by: Alvin06 on November 29, 2008, 06:14:22 AM
Do we have a temporary map in place for the destinations so far?
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2008, 08:45:17 AM
Post by: apskip on November 29, 2008, 04:46:30 PM
Wow, you guys are really good TAR detectives!
Do we have a temporary map in place for the destinations so far?
Alvin06, I suggest you read the AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information thread, looking for the latest timetable. There is a listing for each day of Oct. 31 to Nov. 22. It has not been transcribed onto any map by anyone yet, but feel free to do that.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2008, 12:34:42 AM
Sukhothai, Thailand Novemeber 18th
"We ran into The Amazing Race Asia 4 and gave these 2 racers a lift"
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/tar.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/tar2.jpg)
I'm wondering if this couldn't be TAR 14 after all?
From apskip's Timeline:
AR14 Timeline(revised 11/26):
Nov. 14 leg 8 leave unknown location #3 to arrive Bangkok the next morning
Nov. 15 fly Bangkok to Phuket apparently on TG203 0740 0850, then tasks in Phuket area
Nov. 16 leg 9 fly from Phuket to ?
Nov. 18 leg 10 fly from ? to Guilin
Nov. 20 leg 11 Guilin to Beijing, then tasks in Beijing and start pitstop
Phuket to Sokhothai by 11/18 is certainly possible. And at this early stage it would be easy for us to be off by one day so this could possibly be a task>>Pitstop day OR a release from Pitstop day heading to Guilin.
Just thinking....
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 01:11:11 AM
Post by: Neobie on November 30, 2008, 01:20:44 AM
Alright one last bit from the streets of Phuket:
Met a group of elderly gentlemen in Rama IX Park who spoke Cantonese, and they told me that something had been going on along Thanon Thalang, in the historic core of town. And... that happens to be exactly where my hotel is!
So for two days I've been walking up and down the streets in the district, drawing pictures of boxes and envelopes... You get the picture! :lol: And yes, apart from the "sightings" of a certain Leonardo DiCaprio filming The Beach a couple of years back, there's TAR news!
At about 1-3pm on 15 November, various shopkeepers in the district saw farangs pulling rickshaws around the street. A shop on the western end of Th Thalang suggested that they might have started on Soi Romani (a little alley running off the north side of the street). However, shops on the alley know nothing about TAR filming, instead pointing me to another production there on the 27th. A traffic warden I talked to on Th Krabi told me about Wat Phuttha Mongkhon Nimit on the north end of Soi Romani (followed by communication breakdown), so I'm not sure if he was talking about TAR or rickshaws in general. No rickshaws when I went to the temple though.
Other sightings, that when plotted on a map, give a good sense of where teams would have gone:
East along Th Dibuk, between Soi Romani and Th Phuket
South along Th Phuket, between Th Dibuk and Th Thalang
West along Th Thalang, between Th Phuket and Th Yaowarat
The sightings then disappear. I'm really not sure how they made their way to Rama IX Park from there. Two shops also suggested the Thai-Chinese Museum on the north side of Th Krabi as a *Thai lost in translation*, but I didn't understand the significance. Staff there genuinely didn't seem to know much.
Somewhere in one of these conversations there was a mention of a woman pulling a man; but the man was "holding a camera", so I'm not sure what that means. There was also mention of a police escort going in front of the teams, about two or three motorcycles.
There remains one single hotspot that I have yet to talk about. Everyone within a 50m radius pointed me to a Chinese herbal shop on the south side of Th Thalang, touting itself to be the "Oldest Herbal Shop in Phuket". Another communication breakdown there (real or feigned), but there's one thing that made me very sure that TAR was here.
Coming right up with photos! Need to find an internet cafe with the necessary hardware...
Realized I just spent my single day in Bangkok surfing RFF.
Quote from: One Night in Bangkok
It's really such a pity to be looking at the board, not looking at the city...
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 01:27:08 AM
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 01:32:18 AM
Your pretty amazing Neobie! :hearts:
peach, looking at the photo takers album, it looks like he was at Phitsanulok early that same day. Just an FYI.
Sukhothai Province
The Sukhothai Historical Park Approximately 427 kilometres (270 miles) north of Bangkok and 330 kilometres (200 miles) south of Chiengmai. The most convenient route is via Phitsanulok, which can be reached either by plane or train direct from Bangkok or Chiengmai. Alternatively, one may travel by bus all the way from Bangkok or Chiengmai to Tak which is 68 kilometres (42 miles) to Old Sukhothai (and a further 12 kilometres or 8 miles east to New Sukhothai).
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 01:33:26 AM
We await with bated breath on those Photos, and as soon as somebody ID's the places, we can look at potential tasks in those places.Those too Coutzy! Then we can put the pieces together! :yess:
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 02:06:18 AM
*The oldest Chinese herbal medicine shop in Phuket is on 16 Thalang Road. They specialize in combining western and eastern cures, and are also suppliers to Phuket’s health spas.
http://www.lestariheritage.net/phuket/webpages/tha01.html
Breathe in the heady aromatic aroma of Chinese herbs at Nguan Choon Tong, the city’s oldest herbal shop.
*http://www.tatnews.org/emagazine/3469.asp
I think Nguan Choon Tong may be the name of our herbal shop.
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 02:08:21 AM
Here's a random googled pic of the Nguan Choon Tong shop for reference.
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 02:16:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/pFLzNd9cFI0&hl=en&fs=1
Photos of the shop are mixed in with a bunch of other stuff on the same street.
Post by: Neobie on November 30, 2008, 03:58:11 AM
Also attached is a photo of the entire length of Soi Romani, and a random poster I took last night in Bangkok. ;)
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 04:37:44 AM
It's REALLY caught my interest now and I'm sure Puddin Pie will be proud of you when she wakes up tomorrow!
Post by: manilaguna on November 30, 2008, 04:56:23 AM
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 06:03:09 AM
Post by: manilaguna on November 30, 2008, 06:22:48 AM
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 06:30:51 AM
Do we have a confirmed team in red yet?
The hair of the visible person strikes me as a semi-older woman's (late 30's early 40's) type haircut, but maybe the headband just makes it look like that.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2008, 09:25:39 AM
Instead of living it up on the beaches of Phuket, there he is scrounging around in herb shops on our behalf. We owe you Neobie!! But you loved it, right? :lol:
Nice overnight research Coutzy!
Here is a closer shot of the Sukhothai team, also from the TARI thread...
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14Sukhothaiteam.png)
Here is a very good map of Phuket, so we can follow Neobie along...
http://www.thaiwaysmagazine.com/phuket_map/phuket_map_town.html
And before I knew Neobie was goig to be our man on the ground and could find all this in person, I had written to the newspaper myself. Here is the answer I just received with one tidbit of new info: (bolds mine)
Quote
I'm afraid we have no other information. The production crew would not
reveal anything.
The reporter followed the couple pictured until they arrived at their
destination, where it seemed as if the other contestants had already
arrived and moved on to their next tasks.
Regards
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 11:15:59 AM
Prawit Saenthit is easy to search btw, hes also an actor.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3086758/
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 04:46:48 PM
Nice overnight research Coutzy!
It wasn't overnight for me, I did that at about 8 PM my time.
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2008, 04:52:23 PM
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 04:55:46 PM
No wonder y'all were so chipper! :funny:
No, that was because Amazing Race discussion gets me FIRED UP!
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 07:26:25 PM
The Australian Government is organizing a 'mercy flight' for the Australian's stranded in Thailand.
I pray to The Great Phil In The Sky that my informant can get on this flight and come home with the pictures, safe and sound.
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 07:29:27 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2008, 11:43:09 PM
Y'all are killing me here! :lol: I keep rushing over to see what lovely new TAR 14 spoilers have appeared...
Let's take it back to TAR 14 please?
Post by: puddin on December 01, 2008, 11:43:21 PM
You can start topics in the discussion thread (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/board,72.0.html) for off topic things, thanks.
eta: GMTA peach!
eta: page one of this thread "Any nonsense will be deleted such as route wish lists etc or dream teams."
So if you see you posts vanish you'll understand why.
Post by: Neobie on December 03, 2008, 12:40:33 AM
Called up the Sheraton in Guilin, and they've been nice enough to tell us that production started arriving in dribs and drabs on the 10th, and they all left on the 20th. Remembering Salvador's whiteboard, that means teams would most likely have taken flights out on the 20th as well. How does that fit in?
Also called up the Sheraton and Meridien in Shanghai, but they have no record of WRP Group. Any other ideas we could try, or should we rule Shanghai out?
Post by: puddin on December 03, 2008, 12:59:27 AM
Alright guys, I'm out of Thailand! *phew* Thanks for everyone's concern!Good stuff Neobie :jumpy:, Guilin confirmed :jumpy:!
Called up the Sheraton in Guilin, and they've been nice enough to tell us that production started arriving in dribs and drabs on the 10th, and they all left on the 20th. Remembering Salvador's whiteboard, that means teams would most likely have taken flights out on the 20th as well. How does that fit in?
Also called up the Sheraton and Meridien in Shanghai, but they have no record of WRP Group. Any other ideas we could try, or should we rule Shanghai out?
And on Shanghai, you read what was posted at that forum and really Shanghai could have been a bunch of backpackers running thru the subway or even TARI for all we know so .... just a rumor maybe?
Glad you are safe :-* :hugs:
Post by: apskip on December 03, 2008, 09:49:14 AM
Post by: apskip on December 03, 2008, 09:53:11 AM
Nov. 18 leg 10 fly from ? to Guilin
Nov. 20 leg 11 Guilin to Beijing flight choices
That appears to be a perfect fit with your data on Nov. 20 checkout from Guilin Sheraton.
Post by: Slowhatch on December 03, 2008, 06:55:34 PM
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 04, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
http://unde-fined.blogspot.com/2008/11/hellohello-im-back-from-my-trip-yipeee.html (http://unde-fined.blogspot.com/2008/11/hellohello-im-back-from-my-trip-yipeee.html)
This is the blogger's sisters blog: http://citystares.livejournal.com/4655.html (http://citystares.livejournal.com/4655.html) with pics at Tokyo Disneyland around Nov. 11.
Sorry - please delete this one - its already under TAR Israel...
Post by: puddin on December 04, 2008, 10:47:31 PM
CV Ady Ryf/mountainfilms (http://www.mountainfilms.ch/crew.htm)
Location Manager/pdf (http://www.mountainfilms.ch/images/cvadypdf.pdf)
The Amazing Race CBS/Dschoint Ventschr (http://www.dschointventschr.ch/dv/stage/home.php?lang=_en)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/mountain_flims.jpg)
Post by: apskip on December 05, 2008, 07:21:31 AM
Post by: mungobuh on December 09, 2008, 09:08:03 AM
Post by: Seycheller on December 09, 2008, 04:28:09 PM
Post by: apskip on December 09, 2008, 04:52:22 PM
You should know that the race according to reports was heading for Russia from Romania. Also, there may be only one leg between Russia and Phuket. To go from anywhere in Russia to Seychelles to get to Phuket is not exactly probable. The other possibility is going from Phuket to Guilin. Taking a huge detour via the Seychelles is so unlikely it is not worth talking about. However, I hope you have the answers for us.
Post by: Coutzy on December 09, 2008, 05:02:50 PM
I read that somewhere, but I can't remember where.
Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2008, 05:03:28 PM
Pssst.... the answer to the mystery location is in the Seychelles.
Welcome seycheller! :welcome: Thanks so much for coming!
I would lovelovelove if the Seychelles were on our race...one of the most beautiful places in the world!!
What can you share with us? We thrive on info here, so names, dates, places, and pictures would be awesome!
Can't wait to hear more from you! :hearts:
Post by: Seycheller on December 09, 2008, 05:16:57 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 09, 2008, 05:39:17 PM
Post by: apskip on December 09, 2008, 05:40:59 PM
Post by: michael on December 09, 2008, 06:13:13 PM
Post by: Coutzy on December 09, 2008, 08:06:57 PM
Post by: michael on December 09, 2008, 08:10:00 PM
Not yet. Hopefully I'll be seeing her Saturday at a function for the tennis club.
ohhhh
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 09, 2008, 08:45:31 PM
Post by: pashy on December 14, 2008, 10:04:15 AM
I'm building a fan site for TAR israel.
If anyone has any more pics or interesting gossip , I'd appreciate it...
http://www.amazingrace.co.il (http://www.amazingrace.co.il)
TXS! :cmas26
Merry Xmas
Post by: north09 on December 14, 2008, 10:29:40 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2008, 10:34:31 AM
We have a TAR Israel thread here:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17852.0.html
As long as you fully credit us for any info you use, AND provide a link back to us, we are pretty happy to share!
Good luck! :waves:
Heee...kogs? You have to translate for us!
Post by: Coutzy on December 15, 2008, 01:03:56 AM
Unfortunately, she also said that a month ago, so now I'm growing less and less excited about the photos.
Post by: puddin on December 15, 2008, 01:14:21 AM
Mum's friend said that she'll send em to us.I'm excited! I can't wait to see them Coutzy!!
Unfortunately, she also said that a month ago, so now I'm growing less and less excited about the photos.
Post by: pashy on December 15, 2008, 02:41:02 AM
:welcome2: to RFF pashy!
We have a TAR Israel thread here:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17852.0.html
As long as you fully credit us for any info you use, AND provide a link back to us, we are pretty happy to share!
Good luck! :waves:
Heee...kogs? You have to translate for us!
Sure Thing!
I'll try to post here once in a while when the show starts in a few weeks. :cmas16
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2008, 03:43:16 AM
Let us know of any new developments if you would, we'd love to keep up!
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 15, 2008, 01:41:45 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2008, 01:44:16 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 15, 2008, 02:09:38 PM
Must be my American Version mind thinking. Speaking of that! Spoilers seem to have dimmed down havent they! :cmas4
Post by: michael on December 15, 2008, 02:19:53 PM
oh. But ours is like 1 month before not a week before lol!!
Must be my American Version mind thinking. Speaking of that! Spoilers seem to have dimmed down havent they! :cmas4
:cmas4
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 15, 2008, 02:29:35 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 15, 2008, 06:46:33 PM
Post by: Hooky on December 15, 2008, 06:47:27 PM
But it is going to be a dull two months if nobody finds any new info!
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 15, 2008, 07:14:55 PM
Post by: apskip on December 16, 2008, 09:22:31 AM
Tblisi, Georgia
Yerevan, Armenia
Baku, Azerbaijan
Next would be major cities in the "stans":
Ashkabad, Turkenistan
Samarkand, Uzbekistan
Tashkent, Uzbekistan
Astana, Kazakhstan
Dushanbe, Tajikistan
The Gulf States (Oman, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain) have an outside chance, but they(particualrly Dubai) have been used a lot in recent Amazing Races.
Of that above list, I like Samarkand and Tashkent the best. They have functioned as crossroads for millenia.
What do you think?
Post by: apskip on December 16, 2008, 09:34:32 AM
Starting in Thailand, although Bangkok has been used extensively by Amazing Race Asia, it has not been overused in my judgement by Amazing Races. Chiang Mai is also used but not overused. In Vietnam, there has been use of Hanoi and Saigon, so I do not think we will see them in AR14. Phnom Penh, Cambodia and Vientiane, Laos are top prospects due to never have been in an Amazing Race; they are overdue. Kathmandu has an outside chance. In southern China, Guangzhou, Kunming, Chengdu and Chongqing are all possiblities.
Looking at the major prospects, I like Vientiane or Phnom Penh the best.
What do you think?
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2008, 10:49:34 AM
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html
Also, we still have an unidentified racer photo from Sukhothai, Thailand on 11/18.
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17852.msg361956.html#msg361956
While it is NOT clear what race this belongs to (TAR 14 {dates may fit nicely}, TAR Israel {dates cannot be excluded}, or Pekin Express {in Thailand on 11/22}), we can't entirely rule this out yet for TAR 14, I don't think.
Post by: woden on December 16, 2008, 12:58:53 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2008, 01:26:50 PM
Post by: woden on December 16, 2008, 01:28:40 PM
Post by: north09 on December 16, 2008, 01:43:58 PM
I think we can eliminate Kazakhstan from the list. While I did enjoy their vist there, I wouldn't think they would want to re-use a "new country" so quickly. Since they like to feature places that are less known to the modern world, Tajikistan and Turkenistan would be at the top of my list.
Post by: goodyingbadyang on December 16, 2008, 01:56:48 PM
Dubai was also used in TAR10. How can we forget the demise of Peter/Sarah there?!
You're confusing Dubai with Kuwait
Post by: apskip on December 16, 2008, 02:26:41 PM
Post by: apskip on December 16, 2008, 02:43:16 PM
Both Georgia and Uzbekistan remain on the State Dept warning list, so I would think those might be unlikely.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html
Peach, you are correct that both Georgia and Uzbekistan are on the State Ddepartment warning list. However, a few things emerge from the pages on those countries. In Georgia, the major risks are South Ossetia and Abkhazia and areas adjacent to them. That leaves a lot of territory. In Uzbekistan, the State Department admits that there has been no violence since 2005. They could have been used, but since there are safer equivalent places AR14 could go, I agree with your assessment that those countries were not used.
Post by: Alvin06 on December 17, 2008, 04:39:23 AM
Another question, as for the country before Thailand, is it possible to have a northeast African country like Egypt (since geographically, it's quite near Romania and perhaps other intermediate countries in between?)
Post by: apskip on December 17, 2008, 08:09:50 AM
Just a speculation here: Is it possible that before going to China, teams go to an Oceanian country, say Australia or even Papua New Guinea before going to Guillin, China?Alvin06, I will do my best to give you my takes on your questions:
Another question, as for the country before Thailand, is it possible to have a northeast African country like Egypt (since geographically, it's quite near Romania and perhaps other intermediate countries in between?)
Yes, it is possible that AR14 went to Oceania(Australia or Papua New Guinea) between Phuket and Guilin. However, it is maybe 4000 miles to either one so the probabilty of doing so is miniscule, far less than 1% in my opinion. They are not worth thinking about. If TAR14 was headed from Phuket for Australia or New Zealand before jumping off to Hawaii, it would be different. But a known route from Beijing to Hawaii negates that possibility.
Egypt is a possibility. It along with many other places not on my list for the place after Russia and before Phuket has a combined probability of about 50%. I believe those on my list above have a combined proability of about 50%. However, the straight line for the route from southern Russia to Phuket does not come within thousands of miles of anywhere in Eqypt, so again I have to rate its probability at below 1%.
Post by: selkie on December 17, 2008, 10:28:26 AM
I'd bet Papua New Guinea is off the list because of safety concerns and because it would cost a lot of money to get insurance to go there.
Uzbekistan might be a possibility. It's a new place, relatively safe since the unrest of 2005, and seems open to 'cultural exchanges' with Noth American and EU countries.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 18, 2008, 09:32:12 AM
Post by: Hooky on December 18, 2008, 10:11:03 PM
I also feel Georgia, USA is not a site for this year's race simply due to the fact the producers do not know any other section of the country besides Los Angeles. :P
My second biggest pet peeve about the new "condensed" seasons, the first being the "condensed" part. :cmas7
Post by: mjriches2005 on December 19, 2008, 05:33:56 PM
Post by: Neobie on December 22, 2008, 05:42:20 AM
Will try the other locations tomorrow. I have 24 hours to dig out as much as I can!
Your roving correspondent Neobie, reporting from Guilin, China.
Post by: Mrs Shrek on December 22, 2008, 01:47:12 PM
you really are going the extra mile hunting for clues :cmas17
Post by: MilkBB on December 23, 2008, 04:07:50 AM
Post by: hakushu8 on December 23, 2008, 07:15:37 AM
Start with Post 224: credit to Nickasingh (http://www.survivorsucks.com/topic/41155?page=12)
Kinda weird that a month AFTER filming, the flag is still there. But it's at Bangkok, compared to Phuket were the sightings were held. Thoughts?
For mine:
1. I don't think it's any other race other than TAR14.
2. Red herring. Or not related to TAR at all.
3. Flag that was completely forgotten. Uh oh.
Post by: scuzneck on December 23, 2008, 08:57:15 AM
Keep up the grand work!!
Happy Holidays to all!!!
Brian
Post by: apskip on December 23, 2008, 10:22:10 AM
There may be many specific answers to your question, but a general answer is "elbow grease", hard work and perseverance plus the cultivation over time of sources all over the world.
Post by: marigold on December 23, 2008, 11:06:55 AM
Though I am in no position to answer your question I believe there has to be a genuine interest, so you are headed in the right direction.
Specializing or focusing on a certain element (sort of a piece of the puzzle) that alone takes hard core discipline it’s not easy or pretty I would bet there are days they are banging their heads on the wall or wanting to toss their computer across the room. Did that scare you?
I personally think to manage and master it all like puddin is something NO ONE can reach lol I tell her all the time she blows my mind.
It’s certainly impressive isn’t it.
Good Luck :cmas16
Post by: puddin on December 23, 2008, 04:45:26 PM
Really I just try to keep the threads organized and that is due to me OCD, can't stand clutter :crazy
How do you guys and gals find your information? I have always been fascinated by the extreme amount of data that is placed on the site. I want to help, but have no earthly idea how to even begin.Thanks for the kind words Brian, our detectives are the best of the best :yess: :jam:
Keep up the grand work!!
Happy Holidays to all!!!
Brian
How can you help? search and seach and search and hope you hit the right blog, right picture, right combination something something :lol: .
Post by: puddin on December 23, 2008, 05:01:55 PM
Just bringing this over from Sucks:I don't know what to make of it either hakushu but thanks for bringing it over. If I were Nickasingh I probably would have swiped it :lol:
Start with Post 224: credit to Nickasingh (http://www.survivorsucks.com/topic/41155?page=12)
Kinda weird that a month AFTER filming, the flag is still there. But it's at Bangkok, compared to Phuket were the sightings were held. Thoughts?
For mine:
1. I don't think it's any other race other than TAR14.
2. Red herring. Or not related to TAR at all.
3. Flag that was completely forgotten. Uh oh.
Post by: Neobie on December 27, 2008, 11:15:40 PM
Went back to the Sheraton on another shift and managed to meet the receptionist manager; He told me that production kept very much to themselves, referring to everything they did as a "commercial secret". He did talk to one of the locals in charge though, and although he (the guy in charge) was a Beijinger, he did work for a travel consultancy based in Shanghai. Does this mean anything?
The Sun & Moon Towers are on Shan Lake, and although the ticket counter people told me there wasn't any filming at the towers last month, they pointed me across the lake to Zhiyin Tai (loosely translatable as Soulmate Pier). It's just a pretty stone platform jutting out into the lake, where boats leave to cruise the lakes and rivers of Guilin.
There was a ticket counter there for boat cruises, and the guy there (in a very suspicious manner) told me he didn't know anything, and that he worked on alternate days, so maybe he missed whatever was going on. Refused to admit to anything regarding filming, unlike the other people I asked. Checked back the next day and there he was in the booth. Not a really good liar, eh?
A lady there with a photo shop told me she remembers a huge crowd of people rushing onto the platform from the street (Binjiang Lu, or Waterside Rd), did a little bit of filming, and rushed off again. She said she didn't see any activity with regards to the boats. She thinks it was in the early afternoon.
Also met this bunch of really lovely cleaning ladies, who told me they heard of filming being done in the morning. (They told me they were working in the afternoon shift, and therefore didn't see the racers.) Was in the morning though when I met them, so maybe they changed their working schedule?
But they gave me another lead, that not only was filming done at Zhiyin Pier, but also across town at the Old South Gate!
Coming back soon with a little bit more, on the Old South Gate (not much info from there really), the dates and times, and of course the perfect spot for a Pit Stop!
PS: Puddin, any way I could add the photos I took to your photo albums? Don't want to overload this page...
Post by: georgiapeach on December 27, 2008, 11:30:49 PM
And how "amazing" that you are tracking our guys...wanna go to Hawaii next??!! :lol:
And the happiest of holidays to you too...
Post by: puddin on December 27, 2008, 11:40:51 PM
Great detective work Neobie :jumpy: :jumpy:
Post by: georgiapeach on December 27, 2008, 11:43:30 PM
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pictured here, a remnant of the old walled city of Guilin, the south gate entrance to the city...! This old gate, now restored to pristine condition, was built all the way back in the Tang Dynasty! It sits right next to Rong Hu and there is a long tunnel hidden behind the gate itself which you can actually walk through to get an idea of what it was like to enter the city in ancient times...!
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14GuilinSouthCitygate.jpg)
Post by: puddin on December 28, 2008, 11:42:44 AM
And no, whatever picture was posted I don't see either :P
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Only the top post of importance:
在地铁一号线转二号线八号线的转换大厅里看到Phil和一群外国人...
但是没看到选手...
估计是在录制Phil讲述任务的片段吧
人上人下的可惜没几个人在关注Phil....
自己留心拍了照片!
"Saw Phil and a bunch of foreigners in the interchange hall between Lines 1 and 2/8...
No contestants though.
I think Phil was probably explaining a task.
People were coming and going, but no one was paying attention to Phil..."
Can't interpret the last line - something about taking a photo? But I don't see any photo there, do you?
Oh, the interchange station is Renmin/People's Square.
Post by: Neobie on December 28, 2008, 10:38:51 PM
Got corroboration from various people that the Guilin leg took place on the 17th of November. Here are the various clues from the locals that help confirm the fact:
1. It was a Monday.
2. Production started serious work two days before, and on the third day (presumably the day the racers came by) it was drizzling.
With Phuket being filmed at least until the afternoon of the 15th, that would mean Phuket and Guilin are consecutive legs! Will discuss more in the timetables thread...
Nothing much to report at the South Gate, but just enough to confirm that teams were there. A girl in the Tourist Office (20m west of the gate) remembers seeing a team run past with a camera crew, eastwards towards the gate. A pair of tour guides told me they heard of filming on both sides of the twin bridges, just in front of the gates. Nobody at the gate, though, could tell me anything. There's a tea shop on top, but the manager there told me if there was any filming at or outside their shop, they would have been contacted. (Lie detector did not go off, I kind of believe her.)
Post by: gingerman28 on December 30, 2008, 04:48:49 PM
That can account for two missing locations. Central Siberia could mean a visit to either Novosibirsk or Irkutsk or Ulan-Ude or perhaps Krasnoyarsk And these three cities are connected to Beijing by a major rail link.
Post by: puddin on December 30, 2008, 05:41:18 PM
According to an interview with BVM in TV Guide (for week of January 5) teams will be visiting fewer airports (rah rah) and will suffer through a blizzard in Central Siberia and will have "Olympic-themed challenges in BeijingDamn my tvguide wasn't there today but thanks for the info Gman :jumpy: "Central Siberia" !!!!!!!!!!!
That can account for two missing locations. Central Siberia could mean a visit to either Novosibirsk or Irkutsk or Ulan-Ude or perhaps Krasnoyarsk And these three cities are connected to Beijing by a major rail link.
Anything else Gman?
Post by: marigold on December 30, 2008, 05:48:22 PM
From Variety
Season Pass Q&A: Coming Attractions
"Amazing Race" creators Bert Van Munster and Elise Doganieri
Link: http://weblogs.variety.com/season_pass/2008/12/the-biggest-los.html (http://weblogs.variety.com/season_pass/2008/12/the-biggest-los.html)
Post by: Neobie on December 30, 2008, 08:17:30 PM
Beijing again, huh? (This makes Shanghai unlikely...)
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 30, 2008, 08:33:24 PM
Leg 1: L.A to Switzerland
Leg 2: Possibly Switzerland
Leg 3: Austria
Leg 4: Romania
Leg 5: -- (Unkown most probably Bulgaria or something)
Leg 6: --
Leg 7: Russia
Leg 8: Thailand
Leg 9: Guilin
Leg 10: Beijing
Leg 11: Hawaii
We are close if this all right!! :cmas26 PURE SPEC. Derived from the info we have
Post by: puddin on December 30, 2008, 08:52:36 PM
With the Beijing to Honolulu sighting, would that mean Phuket-Guilin-Beijing-Hawaii, with Central Siberia coming before all of this? Would this also be the "Russia" that's supposed to come after Romania (edited, can't keep my E Europe countries straight)?Yes Neobie! Siberia after Romania unless of course they went somewhere Russia before Siberia. And as mentioned in the other threads, longer legs in 1 place which if course means less flying ( rah rah Gman :lol: )
Beijing again, huh? (This makes Shanghai unlikely...)
eta: I was just watching Bizarre Foods today in Beijing and had turned it off when Andrew started eating Donkey skin/ noodles :eww
Post by: georgiapeach on December 31, 2008, 12:38:37 AM
:lol: Does this mean the tips (and tips and tips again...) for the Olympic Stadium in Beijing could FINALLY be coming true?? :lol: I was ready to give up!
Post by: gingerman28 on December 31, 2008, 10:01:53 AM
According to an interview with BVM in TV Guide (for week of January 5) teams will be visiting fewer airports (rah rah) and will suffer through a blizzard in Central Siberia and will have "Olympic-themed challenges in BeijingDamn my tvguide wasn't there today but thanks for the info Gman :jumpy: "Central Siberia" !!!!!!!!!!!
That can account for two missing locations. Central Siberia could mean a visit to either Novosibirsk or Irkutsk or Ulan-Ude or perhaps Krasnoyarsk And these three cities are connected to Beijing by a major rail link.
Anything else Gman?
Not much more to say; one place I haven't been (missed an opportunity to spend time in a Siberian Gulag coutesty of Uncle Joe). But could be reached after Romania with flight through Moscow (again) to one of the central Siberian cities mentioned above. Flight then could go down to Thailand. (What is it about TAR? They go through a place and civil unrest erupts after they leave?)
Post by: apskip on December 31, 2008, 01:59:56 PM
According to an interview with BVM in TV Guide (for week of January 5) teams will be visiting fewer airports (rah rah) and will suffer through a blizzard in Central Siberia and will have "Olympic-themed challenges in Beijing
That can account for two missing locations. Central Siberia could mean a visit to either Novosibirsk or Irkutsk or Ulan-Ude or perhaps Krasnoyarsk And these three cities are connected to Beijing by a major rail link.
GMAN, this is great news, but I do not think it means what you think. A Russian location in Siberia(Nov. 10 or 11 or maybe one leg later) is a real plus for AR14. However, there is not going to be any rail trip to Beijing. Teams still have to get to one or two places before PHUKET on Nov. 16 and they are not going to be east of Phuket; they should be northwest of Phuket. Beijing is known to be Nov. 20/21. See my TIMELINE if you don't believe me. I am going to copy it below to update the Siberia information into it.
I should point out that bragging rights don't appear to mean much to Bertram van Munster or Elise Doganieri. I think they would delight in providing false information which causes RFF and others to go off the deep end. So, I do not consider it being announced in TV Guide to be definitive. van Munter has constantly put inadvertent wrong information into his public statements so what would be the problem with going one step farther?
Post by: apskip on December 31, 2008, 02:05:35 PM
AR14 Timeline(revised 12/31):
Oct. 31 leg 1 depart U.S. for Locarno, Switzerland via Frankfurt and Zurich or via Milan:
The only applicable flight in the right time frame from the U.S. is UA990 SFO FRA 1348 0830
A different route goes LAX to Milan-Malpensa(MXP) as follows: TN022 1145 0845+1 connecting with AF1214 0945+1 1145+1
Here are the bus schedules in the same time frame:
Shuttle bus leaves airport Arrival in Bellinzona at Connecting train leaves Arrival in Locarno
12:30 14:20 14:39 14:58
14:30 16:20 16:39 16:58
From LAX to Milan-Linate a similar schedule applies:
TN (Air Tahiti Nui) 022 LAX CDG 1145 0845+1, conecting with XM5997 CDG LIN 0935+1 1110+1
From LAX to Zurich via Frankfurt we have the interesting combination:
LH457 LAX FRA 1435 1025+1 connecting with LH3726 FRA ZRH 1200 1255
What I find most interesting is the fit LH457/LH3726 has with the observer comments about seeing 7 teams in Frankfurt Airport the morning of Saturday Nov. 1. I expect no other reason to go to Frankfurt except to connect to Zurich. There are 10 nonstop flights on Saturday between Frankfurt and Zurich, so if any are delayed there are alternatives.
The train schedule from Zurich to Bellinzona to Locarno indicates that 3 1/4 hours is required. Here is is:
Train leaves airport Change in Connecting train leaves Arrival in Locarno
11:47 Zurich HB (main station) 12:09
Arth-Goldau 12:52
Bellinzona 14:40 15:06
12:47 Zurich HB (main station) 13:09
Bellinzona 15:40 16:06
13:47 Zurich HB (main station) 14:09
Arth-Goldau 14:52
Bellinzona 16:40 17:07
16:47 Zurich HB(main station) 17:09
Bellinzona 19:40 19:06
It is my belief that AR14 teams used a minimum of 2 flight combinations to get to Locarno. One may be to Milan, another to Zurich directly, and a third to Zurich via Frankfurt.
Nov. 1 arrive mid-morning in Europe and reach Locarno sometime in the afternoon; then tasks; this might be a TBC to allow known timing of next leg, but probably isn't
Nov. 2 leg 2 Locarno to Domodossola to Spiez to Interlaken by train; then tasks in Interlaken
dep. Locarno 1047 arr. Domodossola 1235
dep. Domodossola 1248 arr. Spiez 1353
dep. Spiez 1425 arr. Interlaken West 1454 or dep. Spiez 1432 arr. Interlaken West 1451
total trip is 4 hours train
Nov. 3 leg 3 Interlaken probably by rail to Zurich, then plane to Salzburg; arrival possibilities mid-morning, mid-afternoon, and late evening
From Interlaken to Salzburg, the early morning Tuesday(as in Nov.4) train schedules are:
dep. Interlaken West 0605 transfer trains in Spiez, Romanschorn, 7 min. walk to ship, ship to Frederichshafen ship terminal, 5 min. walk to Hafen station, 2 min. train to Frederichshafen station, Ulm, then arr. Salzburg 1454 after a 8 hour 53 minute trip OR
dep. Interlaken West 0731 transfer trains in Spiez, Bern, Zurich arr. Salzburg 1529 after a 8 hour 0 minute trip
Based on the above, it seems more likely that teams flew to Salzburg on Nov. 4. In order to do that the optimal route is to take a train from Interlaken to Bern(somtimes changing first in Spiez) and then change for Bern to Zurich. The trains that fit are:
First train is dep. Interlaken West 522 transfer at Bern, arr. Zurich HB 0728, transfer there to Zurich Airport dep. HB 0746 arr. Airport 0747, a difficult 23 minute connection to make the first flight below from Zurich airport
Next is dep. Interlaken West 1031 transfer at Bern, arr. Zurich HB 1228 dep.HB 1237 arr. Airport 1246 .
Last is dep. Interlaken West 1729 transfer at Spiez and Bern, arr. Zurich HB 1928, dep. HB 1937 arr. Airport 1946.
At Zurich there are several nonstop flights to Salzburg, each with a connection from one of the train trips above:
C91202/LX4290 0810 0915 ZRH SGZ
C91204/Lx4292 1335 1440 ZRH SGZ
C91208/LX4294 2040 2145 ZRH SGZ
Nov. 4 tasks in Salzburg
Nov. 5 leg 4 depart Salzburg for Bucharest, with several late-night flight options:
through Munich drive back form Salzburg early evening, then LH3424 2130 0025 MUC OTP
through Frankfurt OS269 1830 1950 SGZ FRA connecting to LH3416 2030 0005 FRA OTP
Nov. 6 arrival in Bucharest after midnight; transfer to train to get to Brasov
morning train departures: Bucharest Nord 2358 arr. Brasov 0246 or dep. 0630 0922 or dep. 0730 1019 or dep. 0616 1051(note: nobody would want this) or 0830 1124 or 0942 1254 or 1130 1404
Nov. 7 tasks in Brasov
Nov. 8 leg 5 leave Transylvania for unknown location #1(could be Siberia)
Nov. 10 leg 6 unknown location #2(could be Siberia)
Nov. 12 leg 7 unknown location #3
Nov. 14 leg 8 leave unknown location #3 to arrive Bangkok the next morning
Nov. 15 fly Bangkok to Phuket apparently on TG203 0740 0850, then tasks in Phuket area
Nov. 16 leg 9 fly from Phuket to ?
Nov. 18 leg 10 fly from ? to Guilin
Nov. 20 leg 11 Guilin to Beijing flight choices:
CZ3281 0900 1125
CA6312 1145 1435
CZ3287 1710 1950
CA1226 2105 0015
then tasks in Beijing and start pitstop
Nov. 22 leg 12 return from Beijing to U.S. for Finish Line in Hawaii via Tokyo
PEK NRT on Air China has several choices:
CA6651/NH956 0845 1305
CA925 0930 1350
CA167 1350 1750
Continuing on from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu (NRT to HNL), there are 9 choices with departures between 645pm and 10pm. With the 6 hours 45 minute flying team and 5 hour time difference, these flights arrive HNL 0630 to 0950. The most logical choice to me would be UA880 NRT HNL 1925 0710+1. All these are same day due to crossing the International Date Line.
Finish Line on which Hawaiian island not known yet although I guess Oahu now for convenience
Note: this is a 23 day race.
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 31, 2008, 03:53:06 PM
Post by: puddin on December 31, 2008, 08:32:05 PM
Phil infront of a Jet? Engine. Maybe Los Alamitos Airfield isn't too far off the mark?
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/rff-0000.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/rff-0001.jpg)
Post by: SingularStars on January 01, 2009, 02:11:06 AM
Post by: apskip on January 01, 2009, 08:22:30 AM
Leg 12? sorry am I being an idiot. This is a 11 leg race :umn:
Kiwi Jay.
Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. I don't think it's obvious either way but I chose to present it as 12 legs because that makes the most sense given the timing between Romania and Phuket(which I believe was referenced earlier).
Post by: north09 on January 01, 2009, 01:43:37 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 01, 2009, 02:31:36 PM
I thought puddin pointed out it was 11 legs! :tup:
Post by: puddin on January 01, 2009, 09:22:13 PM
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12/17/2008 19:23:36
Subject: Re:DONT SHOOT ME -TAR 14 has started filming
TARinChina
CBS Community Member
Joined: 12/17/2008
We were in the Guangzhou China airport November 17th around 11pm and saw a team of two caucasian men wearing backpacks running through the airport with a cameraman and producer in tow. They were in the baggage claim area and were in a hurry to find something and stopped at hte information desk to ask directions. The cameraman was working to capture every move. The men were both short and appeared to be related. One had a fanny pack that was visible with red/yellow/back horizontal stripes on it. We went up to them and said "Are you with the Amazing Race?". They said "No", but we are waiting for cast pictures to see if they were telling the truth or not.
Post by: theschnauzers on January 01, 2009, 09:54:59 PM
I've been following your work for TAR 14 (as I have for other seasons :lol: )
and I've noticed the discussion on the timing of the middle legs. I think the mention of the Race encountering a blizzard in central Siberia may offer a clue.
As far as I can recall, there has only been one confirmed weather delay in the history of TAR -- the sandstorm which delayed the Race in Tunisia for 24 hours in TAR 1. I can't imagine that the Race expected a blizzard just at the time the Racers got there, so I think a weather delay took place.
Travel is impossible in a blizzard, and you do not want to be stuck in open areas while one is taking place (heavy and blowing snow, along with high winds.) I'm not sure which cities would be considered "central Siberia," but knowing that we're looking for one or more cities in that area during that range of dates in mid- to late-November where such conditions were reported is something I suspect can be located at Weather Undergrond.
Just thought I would throw that in there and see if y'all can make anything of it.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 01, 2009, 10:17:42 PM
Oh weather guys.... :lol:
Post by: puddin on January 01, 2009, 11:34:12 PM
Post by: gingerman28 on January 02, 2009, 11:41:18 AM
Do we believe BVM? Remember the so called Monsoon in India, TAR12, which never happened? :lol:
Do you doubt the word of our lord and master? Heck, I've bought a couple of shares in one of the bridges he owns
Post by: georgiapeach on January 02, 2009, 03:35:05 PM
We all know that the episode will open with team intros and a flight. If they are leaving from the military base, a parachute jump could be possible...
But if this is really BVM speak for the first leg in Switzerland, then I think, thanks to cba, that we already may have our challenge:
venzin77 RE: Is the Amazing Race in Locarno, Ticino?
Today, 3:52 PM EST
Yes the amazing race is in Switzerland y help one couple, y make police man job.
Mornig in Locarno, train Station, y help the couple Dustin & Kandice to go in Verzasca Valley. You see the the show and you see my ..... :)
Wiki/Wetpaint (http://amazingrace.wetpaint.com/thread/2031565/Is+the+Amazing+Race+in+Locarno,+Ticino%3F?t=anon)
People, when I joined last week pointing out it's been a while since they've been to Switzerland I was just joking! :lol:
This post above caught my eye - I've been to Verzasca valley myself on an excursion during my time as geology student at the Swiss federal institute of technology in Zurich.
There's Lago di Vogrono, a reservoir lake and the dam bordering its end, Dam Verzasca was featured in a James Bond Movie ("Goldeneye"). 007 does a bungy-jump from that dam, which is a very popular thing to do among tourists! There's not really anything else thrilling going on in that valley (except for geology of course ;) ) so I'll pick up that spoiler/speculation and, if correct, guess we'll see some bungee jumping as a task or a maybe even a roadblock?
Bungy Jumping like OO7:
http://www.trekking.ch/eng/007.asp
Post by: Neobie on January 02, 2009, 11:59:11 PM
Unless they're really, really, really late....
Post by: zacz on January 03, 2009, 09:11:11 AM
Post by: apskip on January 03, 2009, 03:49:30 PM
It is possible to fly Guangzhou to Guilin at that late hour. China Southern CZ3234 flies 2305 2355.
Other nonstop flights are all in the afternoon or evening, nothing is in the morning.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 03, 2009, 04:54:53 PM
Wikitravel says
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By boat
You can get to Guilin by cargo boat from Guangzhou via Wuzhou, but there are no passenger boats to Guilin anymore, except the boats to and from Yangshuo. You can take a cargo boat if you want to at almost no cost from Wuzhou to Yangshuo.
Post by: topaz on January 03, 2009, 09:07:05 PM
Anyway, here's my revised legs that contain for TAR 14, in my theory:
Starting leg: Los Alamitos Airfield, California (just near to Los Angeles, again)
leg 1 & 2: Switzerland
leg 3: Salzburg, Austria
leg 4: Romania
leg 5 & 6: Central Siberia, Russia
leg 7: Nepal or India (again?!?!) or Bangladesh
leg 8: Phuket, Thailand
leg 9: Guilin, China [2nd non-elimination leg]
leg 10: Beijing, China
leg 11 (final leg): final city will be either in Hawaii or East coast part of USA
And since I theorized that there will be 2 legs in Central Siberia, surely the only way to get there is via the Trans-Siberian Railway after landing in Moscow, Russia because the roads in Russia, especially in the Siberian region are very bad and getting there will take weeks, not a few days to get to some of the towns and cities on that region unlike in getting to a train or to the airport and that's what I'd saw in a TV series called Long Way Round when Ewan McGregor, Charley Boorman and the rest of the crew went to that area and they had difficulty to drive in a Siberian roads.
Post by: apskip on January 03, 2009, 11:12:41 PM
Tyumen’
Novosibirsk
Krasnoyarsk
Irkutsk
Khabarovsk
Ulan Ude
I am sure there are many others.
Post by: selkie on January 03, 2009, 11:29:43 PM
Post by: ZBC Company on January 03, 2009, 11:52:44 PM
Furthermore, he also promised that this season will feature "less airports".[3]
Post by: puddin on January 04, 2009, 12:03:51 AM
According to a TV Guide interview, Bertram van Munster, the executive producer of the show, revealed that the countries of the People's Republic of China and Russia will be visited as he states that the racers in this season will be "suffering through blizzards in Central Siberia" and will be involved with "Olympic-themed challenges in Beijing".[3]:browsie:
Furthermore, he also promised that this season will feature "less airports".[3]
Post by: redwings8831 on January 04, 2009, 02:29:47 AM
According to a TV Guide interview, Bertram van Munster, the executive producer of the show, revealed that the countries of the People's Republic of China and Russia will be visited as he states that the racers in this season will be "suffering through blizzards in Central Siberia" and will be involved with "Olympic-themed challenges in Beijing".[3]
Furthermore, he also promised that this season will feature "less airports".[3]
When he says "less airports", does this actually mean their will be less airports visited during the race, or during the episodes, will they just show less of the "airport scene" and focus more on the actual tasks, because there have been some past episodes where up to 15 minutes were based in the airports?
Post by: Coutzy on January 04, 2009, 06:19:34 AM
Now you have me thinking.
I think it would mean both, since they are trying to cut the budget and make the show more entertaining (let's face it, airports are pretty boring most of the time.)
Post by: georgiapeach on January 04, 2009, 02:42:34 PM
According to a TV Guide interview, Bertram van Munster, the executive producer of the show, revealed that the countries of the People's Republic of China and Russia will be visited as he states that the racers in this season will be "suffering through blizzards in Central Siberia" and will be involved with "Olympic-themed challenges in Beijing".[3]
Furthermore, he also promised that this season will feature "less airports".[3]
When he says "less airports", does this actually mean their will be less airports visited during the race, or during the episodes, will they just show less of the "airport scene" and focus more on the actual tasks, because there have been some past episodes where up to 15 minutes were based in the airports?
Here's my take on this, fwiw....
I have heard from more than one source that the "purse strings" are being tightened and that there will be some budget changes this season. One of the easiest ways to do that is to minimize the number of flights taken.
As we saw last season, there were two legs in the same locations (Moscow and Delhi), which eliminated 2 flights. I am being told that we may see that sort of leg again...
We already have Switzerland/Austria which may involve train instead of plane, which could be a huge cost savings especially early in the season when there are still such large numbers of racers and production staff to move from place to place.
There could also be a double leg later on still, perhaps in Thailand or Siberia or (less likely) even in China. Every plane not taken is a huge $$ savings.
There have also previously been a few flights that while it appeared to us as viewers that they were being booked, they actually may have been "reserved" by production ahead of time, which would also be a cost savings. If racers are told they can only fly "X" airline from "X" airport during a small time window, they are often in actuality limited to one or two flights, and sometimes those could be booked/reserved ahead...
So my thoughts are that that statement just may be BVM's way of putting a positive spin on some budget constraints.
But gosh knows that I would LOVELOVELOVE more clues like "make your way to the water that thunders" not take this prearranged flight to Victoria Falls in South Africa and then this arranged car/taxi, etc. Anything that makes the racers have to THINK about how to get from point to point (train vs bus vs ferry vs plane) is all good, as far as I am concerned. I would love more let the racers figure out how to get there on their own sorts of clues. Self driving, self navigation, all that is a great travel skill and some teams would do really well at that. That was the worst part of TAR 13 for me...I really missed self-navigation and the fun that ensues when things go screwy.
TARA 3 was billed as "the toughest race" this year, and it was in great part, I think, tough because there were fewer flights. Teams were stuck on long local bus rides, had long tasks in each place, and were exhausted from that, and I certainly never ever missed any airport drama. It was nicely done... Flight booking is never that exciting to watch, :lol:
Post by: Belle Book on January 04, 2009, 03:05:34 PM
Belle Book
Post by: Hooky on January 04, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
According to a TV Guide interview, Bertram van Munster, the executive producer of the show, revealed that the countries of the People's Republic of China and Russia will be visited as he states that the racers in this season will be "suffering through blizzards in Central Siberia" and will be involved with "Olympic-themed challenges in Beijing".[3]
Furthermore, he also promised that this season will feature "less airports".[3]
When he says "less airports", does this actually mean their will be less airports visited during the race, or during the episodes, will they just show less of the "airport scene" and focus more on the actual tasks, because there have been some past episodes where up to 15 minutes were based in the airports?
They have already cut the airport drama dramatically, unfortunately. (:;) If they cut any more of the footage that makes this show great, it won't even make any sense!
Post by: apskip on January 04, 2009, 03:35:50 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 04, 2009, 03:50:08 PM
Now yes, sometimes it is ALL about the flights and that's fine. Flights can make or break you sometimes. Sometimes the team interactions during a booking are crucial, and that's always good to see. I would not have wanted to miss the drama of Chip/Kim scoring the flight they did. But seeing team after team run to a counter, book the same flight or two, not so much. I'd love to see more trains, buses, ferries even if it meant the locations were closer to each other.
Post by: Mrs Shrek on January 04, 2009, 03:55:47 PM
There is no way they can completely eliminate flights from the schedule, unless they went back to another North America only edition :nono2: so there will still be airport drama footage available, but I think that varying the mode of transport between alternative public transport and self drive options is a good thing and gives different teams an advantage depending on their different strengths, weaknesses and intra-team dynamics. Pre arranged 'car with hired driver' has to be my least favourite option.
:pedaler: :horsey: :plane: :chute: :ele:
Post by: marigold on January 04, 2009, 04:11:33 PM
I agree apskip
Booking flights is a major factor of the race it certainly doesn’t leave any room for a single team to run like hell to catch an unsuspecting departing flight
Controlled and prearranged limits teams to an even playing field no one gets advantages for their quick thinking and actions to get ahead
ie catch one of these 2 flights kinda sucks
Post by: Hooky on January 04, 2009, 10:21:49 PM
If anything, airport drama has already decreased to an unacceptable low. :(
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 05, 2009, 12:02:19 AM
Post by: Neobie on January 05, 2009, 03:06:58 AM
Sure, you can fly from Guangzhou to Guilin (to which Apskip will certainly attest), but with the budget factor for production, it could be worth looking at the other options! If racers are given the liberty, you have the train, which is slower but mostly on time; the bus, which travels a more direct route but more prone to delays; minivans, which are much faster but cost a whole lot more, and well, so on!
Any chance, any chance at all that instructions would get teams to fly into Guangzhou, THEN travel by any means possible (including or excluding flights) to Guilin? (Damn we haven't seen "travel by any means possible" since Tunisia in TAR1, have we? I really, really, really miss those!)
Post by: Coutzy on January 05, 2009, 04:38:14 AM
What if getting to Guilin was the detour (similar to the one made famous by Nancy and Emily)
Like take the train or take the bus?
And TAR would get to bunch people, which they love doing.
Post by: apskip on January 05, 2009, 09:45:27 AM
only one direct train; it leaves Guangzhou at 1939 and arrives Guilin at 0642, an 11 hour trip that is the lowesty travel time possible by train. Other reasonable possiblities all involve transferring train at Hengyang. The first segment is a 6 hour trip:
2114 0322
0908 1523
1746 0051
2336 0617
1036 1714
the second segment is a 6 to 7 hour trip:
0933 1442
0805 1417
1525 2207
0709 1328
0825 1508
1603 2213
1054 1625
0200 0847
2143 0455
The combination of the two schedules would typically add 2 to 4 hours (beyond 12 to 13 hours) except for one fortuitous conneciton that if you are on time would be a 2 minute transfer.
Although long, arduous train trips have been a big favorite of the Amazing Race for traveling in Asia, I do not think they would use it for this particular route. Bus travel is much more direct and would be a better choice in my opinion due to the circuitous route to get to Guilin from Guangzhou (look it up on a map and then see where hengyang is) by train.
Post by: puddin on January 05, 2009, 02:30:24 PM
Sorry for the confusion people :waves:
These are the real spoilers (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17805.0.html), as best as we can determine and the contestant spoilers/sightings are summarized here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17789.0.html).
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I have some information regarding TAR 14, but unfortunately the website won't send me an activation email, so I am passing this info on the only way possible for me at the moment.
One of my mothers friends saw several teams in Thailand and because she is a TAR fan, she recognized them straight away and began talking to them.
One of the teams was the father/son team
One was the young dating team in orange, one of whom was deaf.
The third team was a team of two male dwarfs (possibly the 'two short men')
She spoke with the deaf woman for a long time in the airport, and she whispered 'we're in a race' to her. The deaf woman also said to trip the dwarfs, they aren't nice people.
There were camera men with every team who were being very careful about people taking photos. In spite of this, she said she managed to get several good photos of the teams she saw.
I will send the photos when I can get my hands on them.
Post by: RichInSydney on January 05, 2009, 03:56:57 PM
There is an airport in Krabi to get back to Bangkok and then onto China.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 05, 2009, 05:07:10 PM
A disclaimer of sorts .....I read elsewhere that rff is getting credited with spoiling 2 dwarfs as contestants as well as the girl in orange from Auburn (in orange) being the deaf contestant BUT we have no proof of this, this quote below came from Coutzy! We have no photos from Coutzy's moms friend, no proof what so ever, just hearsay so with that said, its pure speculation until we get some real proof. We don't want other forums/blogs quoting us as saying "rff says, the deaf female contestant is from Auburn, and 2 dwarfs...." etc.
Sorry for the confusion people :waves:
I just want to say a hearty AMEN to what puddin has said. We do not know which of our contestants is the deaf woman yet and puddin said it better but I too believe that there are 2 short men, but we have NO verified spoilers that they are actual "little people" as I said in the contestant thread:
Okay, I want to give y'all a couple of updates.
It is being reported elsewhere that the deaf person on the race is a male, not a female as I was told.
I will again say that I am being told that the deaf person is a woman who relies primarily on signing for communication.
Additionally, this post (as reported to Michael by Coutzy) suggested the possibility of two male "little people"...
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg362349.html#msg362349
I think we can all agree that there are two short men on the race, based on several sightings. However, I am NOT being told that there are two "male little people" on the race, and I truly do think that that would have been mentioned by one of our other sources by now were that the case.
So in the absence of further proof (photos, etc) , I am going to ask that we do NOT assume that the the two short men seen are "little people"--as of this writing I do NOT believe that they are. Just want to be clear here because I keep reading elsewhere that RFF says there are "dwarves" on the race, and RFF is saying no such thing. :groan:
I would of course be delighted to see photo evidence confirming this, it would be wonderful casting!
But I am in total agreement w/ puddin that this "dwarf" rumor is speculation only until further proof is presented, as is the identity of the deaf contestant.
Hopefully we will get the cast release soon and finally know for sure! :yess:
Post by: apskip on January 05, 2009, 05:28:44 PM
From Phuket they could have got a ferry from the boat terminal to one of a number of spots on the water, eg. Phi Phi Island, Krabi etc.
There is an airport in Krabi to get back to Bangkok and then onto China.
Yes, RichIn Sydney but they could also have used the much higher volume airport in Phuket, probably flying out via Bangkok but there are other places(Koh Samui, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur,Hong Kong, Seoul, Shanghai but not Munich as there isn't time to return to Europe). You would have to be interested in making a statement to go 100km to Krabi for the pleasure (NOT) of flying out of that smaller airport.
Post by: walkingpneumonia on January 05, 2009, 08:46:20 PM
Novosibirsk Tolmachevo, RS (Airport)
Nov. 9 10:30 am wind gusts 50km and heavy snow
Irkutsk
Nov. 10 2:00am wind gusts 50km and heavy snow
Ulan-Ude
Nov. 10 11:00am wind gusts 43km and heavy snow
I guess BVM wouldn't know what a real blizzard is - 40km wind, heavy snow etc but these should be pretty close...
I like Novosibirsk and Irkutsk because they have direct flights to Bangkok.
Post by: Coutzy on January 05, 2009, 09:17:43 PM
NOTE: THIS IS NOT PROVEN!
My mom's friend saw the racers in Thailand.
The team she contacted was the orange team.
They told her to "Trip the dwarves, they aren't nice people"
Now, given what we have seen previously on TAR "The Dwarves" may very easily be a nickname used by the racers (Similar to "The Freaks" for Kynt and Vyxsin.)
And sorry for any confusion that I caused.
Post by: apskip on January 05, 2009, 09:24:06 PM
I appreciate the research you have done on the weather in the correct time frame. Your airline information needs a bit of updating. There are no direct flights form Irkutsk to Bangkok, nor are there any from Novosibirsk. Those cities, which I agree with you are probably the most logical of those on my list above, require complex flight combinations involving 2 or more airlines and flights from Novosibirsk and 3 or more airlines and flights from Irkutsk to reach Bangkok. The other Siberian cities would probably be the same, although I have not checked them. None of those places will have a direct flight to Bangkok. There just isn't the combination of income and demand to support that.
Post by: apskip on January 06, 2009, 07:59:56 AM
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Teams were stuck on long local bus rides, had long tasks in each place, and were exhausted from that, and I certainly never ever missed any airport drama.I find long bus rides (of the 10+ hour variety, certainly not local) to be the most boring part of Amazing Races that have them. Witness the ride from Bangkok to Chiang Mai in Episode 1 of ARA3. Contrast that with long train rides. Because of the different interior layout of trains vs. buses, train rides allow teams to socialize and "mingle". Airplane flights are quite boring, but the drama at the travel agent or the airline reservations agent can make that the most compelling drama of the three modes of transportation, although frequently it too is boring.
Post by: walkingpneumonia on January 06, 2009, 08:40:23 AM
walkingpneumonia,According to this: http://www.s7.ru/en/flight_info/our_cities/index.html (http://www.s7.ru/en/flight_info/our_cities/index.html) S7 flies from Irkutsk and Novosibirsk to Bangkok - has this flight been discontinued? Its only once a week (Mondays) from Irkutsk so its probably not practical for TAR purposes - but its 3 times a week from Novosibirsk.
I appreciate the research you have done on the weather in the correct time frame. Your airline information needs a bit of updating. There are no direct flights form Irkutsk to Bangkok, nor are there any from Novosibirsk. Those cities, which I agree with you are probably the most logical of those on my list above, require complex flight combinations involving 2 or more airlines and flights from Novosibirsk and 3 or more airlines and flights from Irkutsk to reach Bangkok. The other Siberian cities would probably be the same, although I have not checked them. None of those places will have a direct flight to Bangkok. There just isn't the combination of income and demand to support that.
Post by: apskip on January 06, 2009, 10:46:24 AM
Thursdays and Sundays 0205 1020
Fridays 0330 1135
Now, the date of travel would have been Nov. 16, a Monday, or possibly Nov. 15, a Sunday, so we cannot rule it out. However, Sunday would have them pausing for almost 24 hours(although maybe there was a Bangkok leg slipped in there). The WRP coordination to make sure teams could make one of these flights would have been massive.
From Irkutsk to Bankgkok your information that there is one direct flights is correct. The only flight I find to Bangkok starts on a Monday (such as Nov. 16) at 505 and arrives Bangkok at 1105. That is likely to be OK. We need more information about when things happened in Phuket to be sure.
With what I know I actually believe that AR14 did use one of those flights. They are too weird for it to be just random. See what I am about to write about Siberia.
Post by: apskip on January 06, 2009, 11:03:38 AM
What I see as possible is this:
1. fly into Siberia to Ulan-Ude and have a leg there arriving probably Nov. 10
2. while there there was a heavy snowstorm that cause WRP production to call a 24 hour halt
3. the departure from Ulan-Ude would on Nov. 13
4. teams would then get one of the westbound trains from Ulan-Ude to Irkutsk, arriving same day
5. there would be a leg in the Irkutsk area, the entry point to Lake Baikal
6. after what may have been an extended pit stop, teams are ready to depart before Monday Nov. 17 on the Siberian Airlines flight at 505am, arriving Bangkok at 1105am (which walkingpneumonia discovered when I missed it). However, after a date mistake was pointed out to me, it is clear that this is too late for the Phuket sightings on the 16th
The Trans-Siberian Express train schedule westbound from Ulan-Ude to Irkutsk is:
Depart Arrive Duration
05:00 12:51 07:51
05:31 12:26 06:55
09:27 19:50 10:23
09:50 07:01 07:11
11:10 22:45 11:35
11:53 19:11 07:18
12:58 20:13 07:15
18:00 02:20 08:20
21:02 04:30 07:28
Just so the information is captured here, this is the schedule westbound from Krasnojarsk(I found it by altering its spelling) to Novosibirsk:
00:57 14:09 13:12
04:10 16:01 11:51
04:25 20:38 16:13
05:39 17:44 12:05
05:59 20:06 14:07
06:52 18:51 11:59
07:08 20:23 13:15
07:18 22:52 15:34
08:05 21:24 13:19
So, what do you think of that hypothesis?
EDITOR'S NOTE - the above logic disnitegrates when tehre is an error of one day due to Monday being the only day of the week for the key flight to Bangkok. This means that I need to redo the logic to focus on Krasnojarsk and Novosibirsk instead of Ulan Ude and Irkutsk. The concept of using the TransSiberian Express is intact. I am going to start fresh in a new posting.
Post by: walkingpneumonia on January 06, 2009, 11:50:04 AM
I especially like that potentially teams have to read a train schedule in Russian in order to make the correct decision about which train to take - some trains that depart later arrive earlier at the destination, probably because they make fewer stops on the way.
Post by: apskip on January 06, 2009, 02:32:54 PM
Here is the proposed sequence events:
1. Departure from Bucharest Romania flying to Krasnojarsk, Russia probably departing Sunday Nov.9
Flight combinations choices are:
TK1444 OTP IST 1050 1215 connecting to TK1415 IST SVO 1335 1740 connecting to SU779 SVO KJA 2255 0540+1
9U9862 OTP KIV 1240 1350 connecting to S7158 KIV DME 1605 1850 connecting to S7071 DME KJA 2220 0645+1
RO343 OTP VIE 1610 1655 connecting to FV204 VIE LED 1750 2235 connecting to FV577 LED KJA 0050+1 0930+1
2. Leg 5 tasks in the region around Krasnoyarsk
3. Delay of 24 hours due to snowstorm?
4. start pit stop in Krasnojarsk on Nov. 12; release from it early on Nov. 13
5. TransSiberian Express train travel on Nov. 13 from Krasnojarsk to Novosibirsk (see below for details)
6. Arrival either late on Nov. 13 or early on 14th
7. tasks in Novosiobirsk on nov. 14
8. Begin extended 36 hour pit stop
9. Release around midnight becoming Nov. 16
10. Early on Nov. 16 fly Novosibirsk to Bangkok, S7789 0205 1020
Krasnojarsk to Novosibirsk Trans-Siberian Express Schedules
Depart Arrive Duration
00:57 14:09 13:12
05:39 17:44 12:05
05:59 20:06 14:07
06:52 18:51 11:59
07:18 22:52 15:34
08:05 21:24 13:19
12:36 01:12 12:36
13:00 02:24 13:24
14:37 04:19 13:42
18:26 06:47 12:21
23:36 12:38 13:02
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 07, 2009, 11:33:04 AM
If anything, airport drama has already decreased to an unacceptable low. :(From the recap point of view, airport drama is never fun and decreasing it is welcomed at this end. Airport drama to me has become so boring that you can skip that part of the show and not miss anything.
Post by: password on January 07, 2009, 03:27:28 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 07, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg367514.html#msg367514
wiki gets most of their spoiler info from us.... :sucks
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 07, 2009, 05:24:30 PM
You guys have done an incredible job with these spoilers. I'm from Australia, and I haven't seen anything TAR-related here' since TARA1. Can't wait until this season hits the air. I'm also Armenian by nationality, and I saw that Armenia was speculated as a destination earlier. Any new news about that?
Great job detectives! :hearts:
Post by: Coutzy on January 08, 2009, 12:00:07 AM
Good to see another Aussie here to keep me company.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 08, 2009, 03:57:50 AM
But nothing about Armenia, I'm afraid....
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 08, 2009, 04:15:52 AM
The father/son team that has been sighted in Phuket could possibly be Mel White and Mike White, the latter of which wrote the movie "The School Of Rock". They are also both gay. This information comes from tvsquad.com, and I should point out that it is speculation. :duno:
And once again, I apologise if that was already on here, but I did not see anything. :ascared
Post by: Coutzy on January 08, 2009, 05:23:08 AM
Post by: redwings8831 on January 08, 2009, 09:40:47 AM
I've been reading through this forum, and I apologise if this information is already on here, but I should mention it in any case:
The father/son team that has been sighted in Phuket could possibly be Mel White and Mike White, the latter of which wrote the movie "The School Of Rock". They are also both gay. This information comes from tvsquad.com, and I should point out that it is speculation. :duno:
And once again, I apologise if that was already on here, but I did not see anything. :ascared
Did you read this thread?
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17789.0.html
Post by: puddin on January 08, 2009, 10:38:09 AM
I've been reading through this forum, and I apologise if this information is already on here, but I should mention it in any case:Mel and Mike White originated here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17789.msg364845.html#msg364845), by us, and has come full circle racer,I hope that helps :lol:
The father/son team that has been sighted in Phuket could possibly be Mel White and Mike White, the latter of which wrote the movie "The School Of Rock". They are also both gay. This information comes from tvsquad.com, and I should point out that it is speculation. :duno:
And once again, I apologise if that was already on here, but I did not see anything. :ascared
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 08, 2009, 11:31:42 AM
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 08, 2009, 04:43:14 PM
Sorry. :(
Post by: banzai on January 08, 2009, 05:08:09 PM
Because of the TAR14 stuff, I was curious about Destination Unknown and kept track of the videos. Phil was phoning it in of course, but I looked to see if it was all prepared on the same day. So far, it seems that way: the clothes, the lighting (slightly above and to his left) and the backdrop are the same.
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17788.0;attach=110915;image)
Heres the tv guide quip ..
Phil infront of a Jet? Engine. Maybe Los Alamitos Airfield isn't too far off the mark?
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/rff-0000.jpg)
Same clothes. Hmm. Same day? Is it Boeing 757 engine? Where was the photo shoot? Airplane hangar?
Post by: puddin on January 08, 2009, 06:25:07 PM
Post by: Slowhatch on January 08, 2009, 09:35:25 PM
Post by: banzai on January 08, 2009, 09:40:54 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/29/earlyshow/series/amazingrace/main4556013.shtml
I found the first video of Destination Unknown but I can't find the 2nd video.
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Koeghan, who was in Los Angeles, is about to start shooting the next "Amazing Race" and he is keeping mum on all of the juicy details.
I guess the photoshoot is somewhere in L.A.
Post by: banzai on January 08, 2009, 09:53:31 PM
We assume the race got underway on Friday October 31 thanks to various (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15486.msg358081.html#msg358081) reports.
Not Confirmed:
futurecontestnat sucks posts (http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/3679930/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html):
tar 14 started in los alamitos, california at the military base 100% correct my friends dad works at the military base
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/29/earlyshow/series/amazingrace/main4556013.shtml
That video was posted on Oct. 29th. Hmm.
Was the photoshoot day on the same day of the race or 2 days earlier? :duno:
Post by: banzai on January 09, 2009, 12:06:19 AM
7TH ANNUAL WINGS, WHEELS, ROTORS & EXPO
The Seventh Annual “Wings, Wheels and Rotors Expo” at the Joint Forces Training Base in Los Alamitos, will again be presented by the Los Alamitos Area Chamber of Commerce and the JFTB. The show will be on Sunday, Oct. 26, 2008, from 9:00 a.m. until 4 p.m., on the tarmac of the Army Airfield.
The show includes military and civilian airplanes, helicopters and a large custom car show.
(http://www.wwrexpo.net/2004/wings/49.jpg)
http://www.wwrexpo.net/2004/sh-wings.htm
Post by: banzai on January 09, 2009, 12:21:56 AM
Post by: Slowhatch on January 09, 2009, 12:29:20 AM
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Can't find this..Will this (http://flickr.com/photos/stevenpam/458346000/) work?
Post by: banzai on January 09, 2009, 01:09:55 AM
http://www.wwrexpo.net/2004/sh-wings.htm
OK. I'll go with Boeing C17 Globemaster III manufactured for the U.S. Air Force and the starting line is at the Los Alamitos Joint Forces Training Base. :jam:
Post by: georgiapeach on January 09, 2009, 02:13:51 AM
Post by: puddin on January 09, 2009, 02:32:12 AM
Post by: apskip on January 09, 2009, 09:18:12 AM
When I examine the possible routes with minimum flying times it narrows quickly down to Moscow. It is easy for the teams to get to Bangkok. They have to get SVO BKK SU553 1940 0905+1 , then BKK HKT TG1205 1030 1150. The problem is with Phil, because he would not want to be traveling with the teams. My guess is that he has a 36 hour lead due to an extended rest stop. So what would that allow him to do? One possibility is to get to Moscow(to be addressed below) on Nov. 14 in time for SU555 SVO DEL 1850 0330+1, connecting with DEL BKK TG724 1155 1725 and then with BKK HKT TG223 1820 1940. To do this he must have been unable to get the Moscow to Bangkok flight SU553 on Nov. 14, which should have been his first choice but could have been full.
The next question is how teams could get to Moscow-Sheremetyevo for these connections. Here are the possiblities that fit(although all have long connect times in Moscow):
Best is Irkutsk IKT SVO SU748 1400 1525
Novosibirsk OVB SVO 5N808 1055 1210
Krasnojarsk KJA SVO SU782 1040 1145
Ulan Ude UUD DME S7116 0840 1105 Note: this one goes to Domodedovo airport; ground transportation is required to get to Sheremetyevo airport, probably about 2 hours away by taxi.
If anyone else can solve the puzzle of Phil in Delhi airport, then speak up. One possibility is that teams were in Siberia around Nov. 9/10 but moved on to one or two other places down toward Delhi on the way to Bangkok. I would love for one of those places to be Kathmandu.
Post by: ZBC Company on January 09, 2009, 03:30:29 PM
Post by: Dĺnooky on January 09, 2009, 07:41:10 PM
(...)The problem is with Phil, because he would not want to be traveling with the teams. (...)Although they try to keep Phil ahead of the teams, I remember having read that there's been several times when Phil travels in the same flight with the contestants (albeit in First Class), so perhaps this is the case?
Post by: Coutzy on January 09, 2009, 08:33:14 PM
It happens more often than most think (Including in some cases, such as TAR 7, the final leg)
So it sounds like a distinct possibility.
Post by: harley on January 11, 2009, 04:26:34 AM
My brother flies 757s and 767s, so I asked him to take a look. According to him, it could be a 757 or possibly a 737 engine. He doesn't usually do the walk-around and there are several different engines certified to be used for 757s. He 's fairly sure that it's not a Rolls Royce engine, but thinks it might be a Pratt & Whitney with a small possibility that it's a GE. He said he could tell better if he could see the cone that Phil is blocking. He's pretty positive the engine is not from the military plane because he thinks those engines are actually bigger than the one in Phil's picture.
The little gizmo just under Phil's right hand is an air inflow sensor. There's another one on the back of the engine that measures the air outflow and combined this gives a reading of how much thrust the engine is producing.
He thought the picture could have been an engine at a maintenance facility (the engine would be detached from the plane and easier to get to - and easier for a picture to be made); or it could be a prop from a studio lot; or possibly a privately-owned jet (there's a private 757 at the Burbank airport that parks next to where my brother parks when they land that is available to be leased). Or as one poster mentioned, it could be from a museum.
OK. Way too much info, I know. You just can't shut up me or my brother when we're talking about things we're into.
Post by: Mrs Shrek on January 11, 2009, 03:25:04 PM
OK. Way too much info, I know. You just can't shut up me or my brother when we're talking about things we're into.
Thanks a heap for this info Harley. There's no such thing as too much info when sleuthing...sometimes it's the little details that make the difference.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 11, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
Post by: anon1akacolby on January 12, 2009, 12:35:37 PM
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My brother flies 757s and 767s, so I asked him to take a look. According to him, it could be a 757 or possibly a 737 engine. He doesn't usually do the walk-around and there are several different engines certified to be used for 757s. He 's fairly sure that it's not a Rolls Royce engine, but thinks it might be a Pratt & Whitney with a small possibility that it's a GE. He said he could tell better if he could see the cone that Phil is blocking. He's pretty positive the engine is not from the military plane because he thinks those engines are actually bigger than the one in Phil's picture.
Actually the C-17 and the 757 have the same engine installed, the PW2000 manufactured by Pratt & Whitney. Since the C-17 is a military aircarft, they designated the engines as a F117-PW-100. However it is pretty much the same engine.
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He thought the picture could have been an engine at a maintenance facility (the engine would be detached from the plane and easier to get to - and easier for a picture to be made); or it could be a prop from a studio lot; or possibly a privately-owned jet (there's a private 757 at the Burbank airport that parks next to where my brother parks when they land that is available to be leased). Or as one poster mentioned, it could be from a museum.
I don't think it is a maintenance facility. It if is, then the engine is still attached to the airplane. Phil is standing on the inlet which means the picture was taken on an actual airplane. If the engine was not attached to the airplane then the inlet area where Phil is standing wouldn't be present. The only place I have ever seen an engine with the entire Nacelle attached is at a Training Facility, e.g. on-site at Pratt & Whitney. However, it is possible that a major maintenance facility could have such a set up.
I believe the picture was taken on an actual aircraft. If the rumor/spoiler about Los Alamitos base being the starting point then I would say that is the most convenient place for a picture like this one. It would have to be some place where an aircraft was parked for a period of time. Getting access to an airplane is not an easy thing. I've had instances where for whatever reason I needed access to a domestic aircraft and I had to plan ahead and go at a time when the aircraft wasn't in rotation (meaning being worked on at the airport facility and is down for the night or day and isn't scheduled for use for several hours). That was usually late at night or early morning.
Also, it is possible that when they were in Seattle that the pic was taken at one of the Boeing facilities. However, that would mean it isn't a 757 since the 757 is no longer in production. However, with planning, contacting the Boeing Media department, time for production to get access to an airplane for pictures could be done. I recall a few years ago, Maroon 5 was onsite at my facility for promotional pictures of them in front on an aircraft or the aircraft engines (I don't recall the specifics).
Therefore, I think is is highly likely the picture was either scheduled or was taken during a long downtime at a facility where production was set up for a long period of time like they were most likely for at Los Al.
At any rate, that's my 2 cents. Now it's out in the open....I work for Boeing and I deal specifically with engines. :lol:
Post by: Hooky on January 12, 2009, 04:16:10 PM
Post by: puddin on January 12, 2009, 05:40:33 PM
Lets think of a start line that might require contestants arriving on "boats"
And thanks to s1, this article (http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/01/survivor-secrets-revealed.php) tells us the Survivor cast should be revealed next week so we can probably be looking at the TAR cast soon as well but thats stating the obvious :lol:
Post by: north09 on January 12, 2009, 06:09:07 PM
So, why boats?
Post by: puddin on January 12, 2009, 07:44:24 PM
If I remember correctly, they released the TAR cast like 2 days before the Survivor cast last time.Something I read but, the boats can also be used for any leg of the race, I'm guessing here.
So, why boats?
Post by: anon1akacolby on January 12, 2009, 08:55:53 PM
In OC.....Newport maybe? Lots of places where smaller boats (fishing, sail, yachts) come into. Huntington Beach.....I can't think of any place around there boats can come in and out of.
Hmmmm, how about this....(thinking outside of the box).....since the final destination appears to be Hawaii, how about they start on an island? Catalina island. It's just off the coast. There are boats/ferries that take people to and from the island daily. I think it takes about an hour. Those boats go to Marina Del Rey, Long Beach, and Newport Beach. Though I can't say how often they run. Of course they could rent them out and allow only the first 5 to come to the mainland on the first one at a set period and the other to leave 15-30 min later on the next one. Or they could have boats with captains ready to take them to the mainland and it's a race to a set point on the mainland with a bunch of boats. There they would have cars waiting for them so they could drive themselves to the airport.
Post by: Neobie on January 12, 2009, 10:33:44 PM
If there is a perfect place for a Pit Stop in Guilin, TPTB found it!
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/Guilin/GuilinFoldedBrocadeMountains11.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/Guilin/GuilinFoldedBrocadeMountains17.jpg)
This is the Peak of the Luminous Moon in the Folded Brocade Mountains, overlooking the city of Guilin from the north, and Pit Stop in a race around the world! (Less poetic official translators call it Bright Moon Peak.)
Production closed the entire compound from 6pm on the 17th (the usual time vendors pack up and go home), and stayed ON the hilltop the entire night. There was a TPTB security team of six. (Geez, how much security do you need?) The peak's really just a courtyard with a little shelter, but the views here are marvelous. According to those who witnessed production, they have been hanging around for two days beforehand (since the 15th), and finally set up lights and a few tents for the big event, on the night of the 17th.
The people I talked to remembered rain that afternoon, when a few members of production popped by. The main activity, though, started at around 9pm. About 50-60 sandwiches were catered for the night, and a huge crowd started streaming in from 12am to 3am. It's such a huge group those I've talked to couldn't differentiate between crew and cast, but I guess those are our racers! (So late?)
Word of caution to the racers:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/Guilin/GuilinFoldedBrocadeMountains23.jpg)
PS Had the incredible luck to transit in Bangkok on the way home, and just happened to dig up something on Nickasingh's Phayathai Palace find! Your guess: US, Israel or Asia?
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17788.0;attach=111299;image
Post by: puddin on January 12, 2009, 10:37:13 PM
eta: oh duh Nickasingh (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17852.msg364180.html#msg364180)
Post by: georgiapeach on January 12, 2009, 10:53:32 PM
Any pictures??
You have been doing truly AMAZING Detective work!! Being temporarily "retired" :lol: seems to agree w/ you! :hearts:
Pekin Express for Nickasingh, sadly "this be none of us"....
Post by: puddin on January 12, 2009, 10:58:31 PM
Actually CBS/BB10 used Catalina island for a private/reward so thats not a bad guess colby.
Hmmmm, how about this....(thinking outside of the box).....since the final destination appears to be Hawaii, how about they start on an island? Catalina island. It's just off the coast. There are boats/ferries that take people to and from the island daily. I think it takes about an hour. Those boats go to Marina Del Rey, Long Beach, and Newport Beach. Though I can't say how often they run. Of course they could rent them out and allow only the first 5 to come to the mainland on the first one at a set period and the other to leave 15-30 min later on the next one. Or they could have boats with captains ready to take them to the mainland and it's a race to a set point on the mainland with a bunch of boats. There they would have cars waiting for them so they could drive themselves to the airport.
Post by: Coutzy on January 13, 2009, 06:37:56 AM
Is it possible that they had the Pit Stop elsewhere and moved it? (AGAIN!)
Don't the lead teams usually check out around midnight/early morning?
Post by: WalterC on January 13, 2009, 07:41:12 AM
What ever happened to starting in great places like the Nevada desert or the Everglades, or a variety of cities like Chicago or Denver? Now it has been reduced to Playboy Mansion, the LA Coliseum (which was a copycat of the TAR4 starting point), or an airfield (copycat of TAR12 ending point).
Post by: apskip on January 13, 2009, 08:23:01 AM
puddin, boats are probably going to be used on either a large lake or on the ocean. If we examine the known places already known for AR14, I coclude that the Salzkammergut adjacent to Salzburg and Phuket on the Gulf of Thailand and any island of Hawaii are the most probable places for use of a boat. The start of the race also provides such an opportunity.If I remember correctly, they released the TAR cast like 2 days before the Survivor cast last time.Something I read but, the boats can also be used for any leg of the race, I'm guessing here.
So, why boats?
Post by: Snooky on January 13, 2009, 06:34:40 PM
So basically, it is starting in the LA area once again, for the 3rd straight season. Maybe it's just me, but this, along with reduction of number of legs, and ending in a place that the race has been to 5 times, just shows the race could be reaching the end of the line.
What ever happened to starting in great places like the Nevada desert or the Everglades, or a variety of cities like Chicago or Denver? Now it has been reduced to Playboy Mansion, the LA Coliseum (which was a copycat of the TAR4 starting point), or an airfield (copycat of TAR12 ending point).
I agree with you WalterC. It is very annoyed and it seems like CBS is just getting lazy, and don't want to put the teams anywhere else but the LA metropolitan area. What ever happened to those different and exotic places?
Post by: Belle Book on January 13, 2009, 06:45:38 PM
Belle Book
Post by: Snooky on January 13, 2009, 07:04:41 PM
It is beautiful there!
Post by: Neobie on January 13, 2009, 09:54:04 PM
Post 223 by Nickasingh, from Sucks (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/41155/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html?page=12) (thanks hakushu8 for bringing it over!)
Had the incredible luck to connect in Bangkok for a couple of hours, and was able to gather that an "adventure company" was holding an event here at the Phayathai Palace on the 16th of November, and that the point of contact worked for... World Race Productions! (This is our race, guys!)
Other places which may or may not be locations (I can't tell for sure if I completely understood the lady I talked to, but it's worth a look) are...
(http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5286/thisplacejz5.jpg) this place... and
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2562/thatplaceie1.jpg) this place!
It's a huge rush getting from Phuket on the 15th, Bangkok on the 16th, to Guilin on the 17th - but it's possible, and the whole point of the race, isn't it? More info in the timetables thread!
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5237/bangkokphayathaipalace5lm4.jpg)
Kinda weird that a month AFTER filming, the flag is still there.
If I were Nickasingh I probably would have swiped it :lol:
And... glad to report that I am now the proud (and very illegal) owner of official Amazing Race paraphernalia!
Post by: puddin on January 13, 2009, 10:02:32 PM
Again, very cool info Neobie :jam: :yess:
eta: You swiped it Neobie!! YESSS!!!
Post by: georgiapeach on January 13, 2009, 10:07:36 PM
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
LOL at you stealing the flag!!
Post by: puddin on January 13, 2009, 10:29:57 PM
Tell us more!! :jumpy: Where/what are those places?? 'Phayathai Palace' ?? Who did you talk to? When/where/what/how??Neobies going to make us search? I can't find these places!! :lol:
Post by: georgiapeach on January 13, 2009, 10:45:40 PM
Post by: puddin on January 13, 2009, 10:48:39 PM
What does this say?:lol: that we need a magnifying glass?
Post by: georgiapeach on January 13, 2009, 10:53:02 PM
Crap, that was supposed to be bigger! :lol:What does this say?:lol: that we need a magnifying glass?
Post by: michael on January 13, 2009, 11:03:19 PM
Crap, that was supposed to be bigger! :lol:What does this say?:lol: that we need a magnifying glass?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: puddin on January 13, 2009, 11:09:28 PM
So we have a place that looks like some place to eat? and another place with red cross patterns on the roof? not a museum? or is it?
Post by: georgiapeach on January 13, 2009, 11:18:38 PM
Something parking? :lol:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14BangkokNeobies1bigger-1.png)
Post by: Neobie on January 13, 2009, 11:22:55 PM
< Here's the magnifying glass to help you guys out! (That's the best I could get it to go. Blame my shaky hands!)
Oh, all three places share something in common. And it's Googlalbe; one turned up on Page 2, the other on Page 4!
Post by: georgiapeach on January 13, 2009, 11:29:41 PM
I've been Googling for an hour...
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 13, 2009, 11:36:00 PM
Post by: PeeT_Pm52 on January 14, 2009, 01:46:04 AM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14BangkokNeobies1bigger-1.png)
this is ศิลปาคาร จุมภฏ พันธุ์ทิพย์
www.suanpakkad.com
;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: georgiapeach on January 14, 2009, 08:08:23 AM
Heee...one down, one to go! :yess:
Post by: puddin on January 14, 2009, 11:05:27 AM
Post by: apskip on January 14, 2009, 07:38:20 PM
Might have a reason why Pit Stop arrivals are so late in Guilin...
Post 223 by Nickasingh, from Sucks (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/41155/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html?page=12) (thanks hakushu8 for bringing it over!)
Had the incredible luck to connect in Bangkok for a couple of hours, and was able to gather that an "adventure company" was holding an event here at the Phayathai Palace on the 16th of November, and that the point of contact worked for... World Race Productions! (This is our race, guys!)
Other places which may or may not be locations (I can't tell for sure if I completely understood the lady I talked to, but it's worth a look) are...
(http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5286/thisplacejz5.jpg) this place... and
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2562/thatplaceie1.jpg) this place!
It's a huge rush getting from Phuket on the 15th, Bangkok on the 16th, to Guilin on the 17th - but it's possible, and the whole point of the race, isn't it? More info in the timetables thread!
Neobie, I absolutely agree that Amazing Races are sometimes scheduled with two legs on back-to-back days, but I have never seen it three legs back-to-back. A possible answer is my friend the TBC, which hasn't been seen since AR6. With a TBC e nding the Phuket leg, there is no pit stop to slow teams from getting to Bangkok. Another possiblity beyone that is the split leg in 2 different places. That has been used recently, including in ARA3 with Bangkok plus chiang Mai, ARA2 where they did Hong Kong (what a farce), then New Zealand and ARA1 where the infamous Singapore Caltex task was sandwiched between departure from Auckland and arrival in Bangkok.
Post by: mjriches2005 on January 14, 2009, 11:06:04 PM
Post by: Neobie on January 15, 2009, 12:15:46 AM
Here's a map of the three locations - but the last one doesn't allow photography (it's on royal grounds), so I'm wondering if TAR really went there?
Night buses are much more frequent from Phuket to Bangkok than day buses. Will post the timetables in that thread!
Post by: georgiapeach on January 15, 2009, 12:55:15 AM
TAR can go anywhere I'm convinced, they have great powers of convincing!
You did such a wonderful job tracking TAR around--almost like having our own Production team! :thankyou: and I do hope it was as much fun for you as it was for us! :hearts:
Post by: Hooky on January 15, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
Might have a reason why Pit Stop arrivals are so late in Guilin...
Post 223 by Nickasingh, from Sucks (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/41155/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html?page=12) (thanks hakushu8 for bringing it over!)
Had the incredible luck to connect in Bangkok for a couple of hours, and was able to gather that an "adventure company" was holding an event here at the Phayathai Palace on the 16th of November, and that the point of contact worked for... World Race Productions! (This is our race, guys!)
Other places which may or may not be locations (I can't tell for sure if I completely understood the lady I talked to, but it's worth a look) are...
(http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5286/thisplacejz5.jpg) this place... and
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2562/thatplaceie1.jpg) this place!
It's a huge rush getting from Phuket on the 15th, Bangkok on the 16th, to Guilin on the 17th - but it's possible, and the whole point of the race, isn't it? More info in the timetables thread!
Neobie, I absolutely agree that Amazing Races are sometimes scheduled with two legs on back-to-back days, but I have never seen it three legs back-to-back. A possible answer is my friend the TBC, which hasn't been seen since AR6. With a TBC e nding the Phuket leg, there is no pit stop to slow teams from getting to Bangkok. Another possiblity beyone that is the split leg in 2 different places. That has been used recently, including in ARA3 with Bangkok plus chiang Mai, ARA2 where they did Hong Kong (what a farce), then New Zealand and ARA1 where the infamous Singapore Caltex task was sandwiched between departure from Auckland and arrival in Bangkok.
I think you meant AR 10. Just to clarify. :tup:
Post by: bag on January 15, 2009, 07:02:38 PM
There's a difference between a TBC and a 'superleg'. The TBC leg in TAR6 was in Hungary when teams went to an internet cafe to find a video message of Phil giving them their next clue, which turned into another leg. The actual 'superleg' concept where either Phil gives racers their next clue (7, 8(?), 9) or they find their next clue in a cluebox (10) wasn't used until season 7. So there is a possibility it could be either/or.Might have a reason why Pit Stop arrivals are so late in Guilin...
Post 223 by Nickasingh, from Sucks (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/41155/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html?page=12) (thanks hakushu8 for bringing it over!)
Had the incredible luck to connect in Bangkok for a couple of hours, and was able to gather that an "adventure company" was holding an event here at the Phayathai Palace on the 16th of November, and that the point of contact worked for... World Race Productions! (This is our race, guys!)
Other places which may or may not be locations (I can't tell for sure if I completely understood the lady I talked to, but it's worth a look) are...
(http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5286/thisplacejz5.jpg) this place... and
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2562/thatplaceie1.jpg) this place!
It's a huge rush getting from Phuket on the 15th, Bangkok on the 16th, to Guilin on the 17th - but it's possible, and the whole point of the race, isn't it? More info in the timetables thread!
Neobie, I absolutely agree that Amazing Races are sometimes scheduled with two legs on back-to-back days, but I have never seen it three legs back-to-back. A possible answer is my friend the TBC, which hasn't been seen since AR6. With a TBC e nding the Phuket leg, there is no pit stop to slow teams from getting to Bangkok. Another possiblity beyone that is the split leg in 2 different places. That has been used recently, including in ARA3 with Bangkok plus chiang Mai, ARA2 where they did Hong Kong (what a farce), then New Zealand and ARA1 where the infamous Singapore Caltex task was sandwiched between departure from Auckland and arrival in Bangkok.
I think you meant AR 10. Just to clarify. :tup:
Post by: apskip on January 15, 2009, 07:09:04 PM
In any case, my memory which told me that there were no TBCs since AR6 was incorrect. I had remembered episode 9 as a double-sized leg, but it isn't. Thank you for the udpate.
Post by: bag on January 15, 2009, 07:36:12 PM
Thank you, Hooky and bag, for your clarifiactions. The situation in question is the 9th leg of AR10 at the Helsinki Olympic Tower. I went back and looked at it. it ends with James/Tyler getting a Keep Racing! instruction. Is that a TBC or a superleg? I think it is probably both. I define TBCs whether the action is continuous and you go to a second leg without a pit stop. I don't have a definition for a superleg.I don't even really know after that what exactly is a TBC or a superleg. :lol: But anyway, I don't think it'll be used because they haven't used it since season 10. If they haven't brought back the yield, I don't think they'll bring back TBCs, anyway, though again it would be nice.
In any case, my memory which told me that there were no TBCs since AR6 was incorrect. I had remembered episode 9 as a double-sized leg, but it isn't. Thank you for the udpate.
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 15, 2009, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: bag on January 15, 2009, 07:49:14 PM
I too always saw them as the same thing...I now know. Yields changed to Speedbumps in Series 11-12 transaction didnt they??They changed to U-Turns, not speed bumps.
Post by: hakushu8 on January 15, 2009, 08:22:22 PM
The sharing of info between this site and Sucks is what I've been doing most of the time now... since I really can't help out much with the researching as of present time. Or more like I dunno where to look. :lol:
Now I'm just waiting for the cast to be revealed... very soon, yes?
Great job and keep up the good work, everyone! :jam:
Post by: michael on January 15, 2009, 08:26:32 PM
Post by: Neobie on January 15, 2009, 08:31:39 PM
Here it is!
ETA: Amped up historical tags (including Temple of Dawn), by demand!
ETA: Full map!
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17788.0;attach=111314;image
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 15, 2009, 08:39:48 PM
Post by: Kogs on January 15, 2009, 08:43:20 PM
Yikes, forgot the attachment!
Here it is!
hey wheres the temple of dawn from tar1?
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 15, 2009, 09:23:34 PM
Post by: puddin on January 15, 2009, 09:55:43 PM
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2562/thatplaceie1.jpg) this place!
It's a huge rush getting from Phuket on the 15th, Bangkok on the 16th, to Guilin on the 17th - but it's possible, and the whole point of the race, isn't it? More info in the timetables thread!
Thanks for the hint Neobie :lol:
Post by: Neobie on January 15, 2009, 10:16:58 PM
It isn't exactly that building though; I was told something about the Vimanmek Teak Palace, in the same compound, but no photography is allowed inside?!
So I'm not exactly sure if TAR could have got their cameras in too! (A security guard seemed to remember filming in the compound though, the information desk - when I asked them - called up someone, then started pretending to not know anything...)
Post by: puddin on January 15, 2009, 10:20:50 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 15, 2009, 10:43:51 PM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14BangkokSuanHong.png)
Vimanmek photo gallery: http://thailandforvisitors.com/central/bangkok/vimanmek/vmk_gal.html
MAP!
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014%20Maps/TAR14MapVimanmekMansion.png)
clickable link: http://thailandforvisitors.com/central/bangkok/vimanmek/map.html
Quote
The Vimanmek Mansion is often called the "King Rama V House" and is the world's largest golden teakwood mansion.
Interior layout:
http://www.bangkokmag.infothai.com/vimanmek3.htm
Inside:
http://www.bangkokmag.infothai.com/vimanmek4.htm
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 07:43:15 PM
Starting's line at the air tarmac where I believe Phil did the photo shoot. Plenty of stuff to go over. puddin? Birthday girl? Did you get this? I might do a quick recording and try to do some vidcaps.
Post by: michael on January 18, 2009, 07:44:12 PM
i hope someone got it!
Post by: redwings8831 on January 18, 2009, 07:44:35 PM
Amazing Race promo! Amazing Race promo! Right during halftime of the AFC Championship! Right after The Mentalist promo! :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy:
Starting's line at the air tarmac where I believe Phil did the photo shoot. Plenty of stuff to go over. puddin? Birthday girl? Did you get this? I might do a quick recording and try to do some vidcaps.
I was just going to post this, but didn't know where to. I'm pretty sure I saw a bungee jump in the preview.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 07:47:12 PM
Post by: Neobie on January 18, 2009, 07:50:55 PM
Post by: michael on January 18, 2009, 07:54:06 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 08:16:56 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1401.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1402.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1403.jpg)
Announcer Boy: What makes The Amazing Race amazing?
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 08:18:25 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1404.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1405.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1406.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1407.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1408.jpg)
Post by: Neobie on January 18, 2009, 08:19:12 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 08:19:50 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1409.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1410.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1411.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1412.jpg)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 08:20:58 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1413.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1414.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1415.jpg)
Phil: GO!!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1416.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1417.jpg)
WOOOOOOOOOAHHHHHHH!
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 08:22:05 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1418.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1419.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1420.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1421.jpg)
Announcer Boy: It's two ordinary people at the Starting Line!
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 08:23:15 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1422.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1423.jpg)
Guy: I can't believe we just did that!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1424.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1425.jpg)
Post by: michael on January 18, 2009, 08:23:29 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 08:24:20 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1426.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1427.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1428.jpg)
Announcer Boy: With nothing but the whole world in front of them.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1429.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1430.jpg)
Woman: Tears of joy, right?
Woman: Yeah, tears of joy.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 08:25:08 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1431.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/kzf1/TAR1432.jpg)
Announcer Boy: The Amazing Race returns February 15th.
Post by: Neobie on January 18, 2009, 08:27:29 PM
I think we see quite a few of our teams?
Auburn on the left end of Start Line
Oldish couple on the plane/helicopter
Asian man with girl
Blue and yellow guys
Green girls
Mom/son celebrating at night
And oh! Start line puddles!
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 08:29:36 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 08:33:29 PM
Post by: Neobie on January 18, 2009, 08:36:38 PM
Don't miss the helicopter and the horses in the last frame! Entry by helicopter?
Looks like Mom and Son pull a departure time! Night of Nov 1, in Locarno?! Switzerland looks to be a single two-part leg, per tradition!
And that's the Verzasca Dam, I presume?
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/5680648.jpg)
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 08:44:58 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 08:45:48 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 08:49:35 PM
omg....green teaaaaaaamNo rooting! :funny: :funny:
Post by: Slowhatch on January 18, 2009, 08:52:02 PM
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 08:54:55 PM
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 08:56:49 PM
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 09:02:34 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 09:03:29 PM
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 09:04:31 PM
Post by: Slowhatch on January 18, 2009, 09:05:44 PM
Post by: Neobie on January 18, 2009, 09:07:09 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2030/1923782308_f3e98a0e86.jpg)
So starting line's in front of the Los Alamitos control tower, eh?
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 09:07:15 PM
My program could not get that shootaround clearly. I'm glad you could get that, puddin.Oh no you did good Ken :yess: :jumpy:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0033.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0034.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0035.jpg)
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 09:07:47 PM
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 09:10:56 PM
and I'll rewind .. and am now downloading powerdvd, its easier to handle/slowdown
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 09:13:24 PM
and I'll rewind ..You're kind. :lol:
Post by: michael on January 18, 2009, 09:19:32 PM
LOL, they really are short, the men I mean, my babies in green tower over them.
AND PUDDIN, I SEE NO MIDGETS! HINT HINT. :lol:
Post by: goodyingbadyang on January 18, 2009, 09:27:57 PM
SIGN ME UP!
Post by: georgiapeach on January 18, 2009, 09:42:20 PM
Three fit-looking all-female teams, an young asian team, deaf contestant?
SIGN ME UP!
We have had the teams for ages, but SO nice to see their faces! And my favorite day is when we get to add names to their faces! :jumpy:
So :bigwelcome to any lurking contestants, we are excited for you!! :hearts:
Here is more on the trekking site that does the Versasca Dam bungee, as well as some bungee videos...
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg367578.html#msg367578
Post by: Slowhatch on January 18, 2009, 09:49:47 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 18, 2009, 09:53:51 PM
And what are sea thingys and where are they in the screenshots please?? (I am on a different computer at work, so don't have my normal views)..
Post by: Slowhatch on January 18, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
Some smaller photos below (and I'm not sure about the horses).
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0043.jpg)
Post by: georgiapeach on January 18, 2009, 10:08:29 PM
I still don't see a horse :spy:, but one place we might possibly see a pony or horse could be Siberia....
Post by: DrRox on January 18, 2009, 10:10:19 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0021.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0025.jpg)
LOL, they really are short, the men I mean, my babies in green tower over them.
AND PUDDIN, I SEE NO MIDGETS! HINT HINT. :lol:
Post by: DrRox on January 18, 2009, 10:15:34 PM
The Sea Stallions are helicopters used by US Navy/Marines. The girls on the horses appear to me to be wearing tank tops....so doubt it is Siberia.
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 10:20:34 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0024.jpg)
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 10:30:12 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0000.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0001.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0003.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0004.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0055.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0051.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0052.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0053.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0056.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0060.jpg)
Post by: DrRox on January 18, 2009, 10:35:26 PM
Two couples with blonde haired females and one FF team blonde. All the same shade of blonde.
Two short men teams.
Two tall women teams.
One of the shorter alpha male teams, the ones next to the tall redheads, appear to me, to be hispanic. Did the "Munoz" connection get ruled out?
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 18, 2009, 10:37:23 PM
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 10:43:19 PM
It almost seems like TPTB cast this race to thwart the spoilers (us).No the Munoz brothers? have not been ruled out, we just don't have a photo of them that I know of, until maybe now?
Two couples with blonde haired females and one FF team blonde. All the same shade of blonde.
Two short men teams.
Two tall women teams.
One of the shorter alpha male teams, the ones next to the tall redheads, appear to me, to be hispanic. Did the "Munoz" connection get ruled out?
Post by: georgiapeach on January 18, 2009, 10:44:17 PM
Zipline? Is this old footage? ???
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14promo1zip-1.png)
Horses! (finally, :lol: !) Could this be old? Didn't Dustin/Kandice ride in Mongolia?
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14promo1horses.png)
Neobie, could this be Guilin? Or maybe Interlaken lakes?
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14promo1maybeGuilin.png)
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 10:49:08 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 18, 2009, 10:49:53 PM
Post by: Hooky on January 18, 2009, 10:54:51 PM
The teams look more competitive looking this time. Let's hope they don't make as many mistakes as last season! I'm excited!! :jumpy:
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 18, 2009, 10:57:24 PM
I see ...
1. Preston and Jennifer
2. Blondes - Jodi and Chrissy
3. Brad and Vicky - Older Married Team
4. Spoiled Asian Team
5. Margaret and Luke - Mother/Son
6. Mike and Mark Munoz??
7. African American Ladies
8. Mel and Mike - Father/Son
9. Cute Blonde and Boyfriend??
10. Older man and younger man?? (what. another father/son)
11. Cute green team f/f dark haired
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 18, 2009, 10:59:28 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 18, 2009, 11:02:47 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 18, 2009, 11:20:29 PM
This promo was truly a surprise. Thank goodness I had the CBS halftime show on otherwise I would have changed the channel and missed it.
You did a fabulous job, Ken!! Thank you!!! :hugs:
Post by: puddin on January 18, 2009, 11:50:11 PM
This promo was truly a surprise. Thank goodness I had the CBS halftime show on otherwise I would have changed the channel and missed it.I wasn't even paying attention Ken! Just recorded just incase. Thank you again!! :hearts:
Post by: Slowhatch on January 19, 2009, 12:26:13 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0017.jpg)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 19, 2009, 01:16:47 AM
The DVR is truly a great invention. I was able to rewind live TV, then record it to my DVD to do the vidcaps. :jam: :jam: :jam: :yess: :yess: :yess:This promo was truly a surprise. Thank goodness I had the CBS halftime show on otherwise I would have changed the channel and missed it.I wasn't even paying attention Ken! Just recorded just incase. Thank you again!! :hearts:
Post by: Chateau d If on January 19, 2009, 02:19:12 AM
But I did see the new movie release Defiance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defiance_(2008_film)). And I recognized that many of its scenes were filmed here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum%C5%A1i%C5%A1k%C4%97s).
Kynt & Vyxsin will be pleased!
Post by: apskip on January 19, 2009, 07:30:34 AM
Beautiful, puddin!! :kuss: Is the video in our future?? :hearts:
Zipline? Is this old footage? ???
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14promo1zip-1.png)
Horses! (finally, :lol: !) Could this be old? Didn't Dustin/Kandice ride in Mongolia?
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14promo1horses.png)
Neobie, could this be Guilin? Or maybe Interlaken lakes?
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14promo1maybeGuilin.png)
Peach, I would say that the lake being the Thuner See or Brienzer See on either side of Interlaken is probable. However, it could also be the Salzkammergut near Salzburg.
Post by: apskip on January 19, 2009, 07:34:14 AM
Post by: DrRox on January 19, 2009, 08:41:56 AM
I think Peach's rotated zip line is actually the cave decent in TAR2 in New Zealand when they had to go down with a guide. There are three people in that shot. The detour that allowed Chris/Alex to pass Danny/Oswald in the cave at the bottom. Wasn't it called "Lost World?"
Post by: Snooky on January 19, 2009, 10:27:29 AM
Go Asians! It just brings me back to the old seasons... :sucks
Post by: puddin on January 19, 2009, 10:45:03 AM
So Sea Stallions are the entry vehicles. And they ride horses (or maybe that's contestant bio footage).I agree with Slowhatch, the horses could be contestant bio footage/B-Roll. Say for instance the blonds, Jodi and friend are from Texas so maybe thats it. The so called zipline looks like an ascender to me, maybe season 5 or 10, Vietnam or El Nido, Palawan.
Post by: Hooky on January 19, 2009, 10:52:34 AM
Post by: puddin on January 19, 2009, 11:02:43 AM
Post by: Kogs on January 19, 2009, 11:35:02 AM
^^ Budget reasons I suppose? The tight purse strings and all ..........
tax breaks too
Post by: anon1akacolby on January 19, 2009, 02:19:30 PM
This probably doesn't need to said but the starting line is definitely Los Alamitos Base. In the screenshot of Phil saying "Go!" the building right behind him matches with the building on the base in the picture below.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/anon1akacolby/losAl-1.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0008.jpg)
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 19, 2009, 03:50:11 PM
Post by: Belle Book on January 19, 2009, 04:20:34 PM
Belle Book
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 19, 2009, 04:34:24 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 19, 2009, 04:39:59 PM
This probably doesn't need to said but the starting line is definitely Los Alamitos Base. In the screenshot of Phil saying "Go!" the building right behind him matches with the building on the base in the picture below.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/anon1akacolby/losAl-1.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/th_rff-0008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0008.jpg)
Thank you colby! :hugs:
I think with the lovely shots from you and from Slowhatch earlier, there is no doubt at all!
Very possibly KSLI Los Alamitos. Compare the building and palm tree with this (http://www.flickr.com/photos/senoritafish/357526177/sizes/o/).
A different view of the tower area here (http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5963997&nseq=6). Good enough to call it, I think; futurecontestnat gets the credit.
Post by: hakushu8 on January 19, 2009, 05:11:12 PM
BTW, thanks for the pics and vidcaps, puddin and TAfan. :sucks
Post by: georgiapeach on January 19, 2009, 05:15:10 PM
Hmmm...now you have made me think! This could be Siberia, couldn't it? :yess:
Post by: DrRox on January 19, 2009, 05:35:29 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 19, 2009, 05:58:50 PM
Post by: Snooky on January 19, 2009, 06:48:24 PM
:camping:
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 19, 2009, 07:46:46 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 19, 2009, 09:01:54 PM
:jam: Hope so too...Cast release in 2 days we hope :wohoo:
Sorry kiwi!
Cast Release is going to be on Monday, Jan 26. ;) :angel:
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 19, 2009, 09:09:28 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 19, 2009, 10:08:41 PM
Post by: Coutzy on January 19, 2009, 10:14:08 PM
:jam: Hope so too...Cast release in 2 days we hope :wohoo:
Sorry kiwi!
Cast Release is going to be on Monday, Jan 26. ;) :angel:
WOW!
They picked Australia Day!
This is surely a sign that CBS will make an Australian edition!
(Well, I can dream, cant I?)
Post by: michael on January 19, 2009, 10:16:48 PM
:jam: Hope so too...Cast release in 2 days we hope :wohoo:
Sorry kiwi!
Cast Release is going to be on Monday, Jan 26. ;) :angel:
WOW!
They picked Australia Day!
This is surely a sign that CBS will make an Australian edition!
(Well, I can dream, cant I?)
maybe it's a sign that we'll finally get to see these midgets! :yess:
Post by: apskip on January 19, 2009, 10:20:35 PM
Isn't it speculated they took trains in Romania too.......it might be there. But sure seems we are going to see some trains this race........hoorayyyyy!!!Dr. Rox, it's a nice thought. The train route in Romania has mountains but only one small passage along a lake. As others(including me) have said the railway line shown could be the Trans-Siberian Express, which is a high probability when teams are in Siberia as it is one of the few reliable means of transportation(although it limits you to cities on that line). However, my best guess is still Switzerland, home of alps and many fabulous train routes. I got to ride many of them using a 8 day Swiss rail pass and know the diversity of possilbilities, with the line from Domodossola to Interlaken the most likely.
Post by: Slowhatch on January 19, 2009, 10:46:23 PM
Autolinee Regionali Ticinesi) between Domodossola and Locarno.
On the topic of trains, a map for Peach: live swiss trains (http://www.swisstrains.ch/); as I write this, ICE 987 is approaching Interlaken West.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 19, 2009, 10:57:22 PM
Guess this means I better get to work on the new MAP thread, huh? :funny:
Post by: puddin on January 19, 2009, 11:03:39 PM
:hearts: That has to be the coolest program ever! Two of my favorite things, trains and MAPS! :ty3:What? No FART love? :umn:
Guess this means I better get to work on the new MAP thread, huh? :funny:
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 20, 2009, 01:46:12 AM
:jam: Hope so too...Cast release in 2 days we hope :wohoo:
Sorry kiwi!
Cast Release is going to be on Monday, Jan 26. ;) :angel:
WOW!
They picked Australia Day!
This is surely a sign that CBS will make an Australian edition!
(Well, I can dream, cant I?)
If they don't make an Australian edition, I will! :sucks
Post by: Coutzy on January 20, 2009, 08:03:38 AM
Anyway. HURRY UP CBS! I WANT TO PUT IN MY PREDICTIONS!
Post by: Hooky on January 20, 2009, 12:11:45 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 20, 2009, 12:19:44 PM
And I am trusting the source on this, it appears to be quite reliable. :angel:
I agree it is quite late though.
Post by: gingerman28 on January 20, 2009, 12:58:46 PM
Isn't it speculated they took trains in Romania too.......it might be there. But sure seems we are going to see some trains this race........hoorayyyyy!!!Dr. Rox, it's a nice thought. The train route in Romania has mountains but only one small passage along a lake. As others(including me) have said the railway line shown could be the Trans-Siberian Express, which is a high probability when teams are in Siberia as it is one of the few reliable means of transportation(although it limits you to cities on that line). However, my best guess is still Switzerland, home of alps and many fabulous train routes. I got to ride many of them using a 8 day Swiss rail pass and know the diversity of possilbilities, with the line from Domodossola to Interlaken the most likely.
I can't pin it down, but I suspect that the train is in Switzerland, as pointed out by apskip, mainly because most of the preview scenes are from the first or second ep. The pair of guys looking out of the window of the train seem to be the same pair as seen in the team lineup (second from the right next to the gals in green). I doubt that the producers would want to show one team making it Siberia, and that far into the series. The only thing that bothers me is that the train cars are all silver. Most Swiss train have a good deal of color, mostly red, decorating the outside of the rail cars.
Post by: gingerman28 on January 20, 2009, 01:59:33 PM
See all the views in the attached:
http://www.myswissalps.com/graubunden/graubunden-pictures.asp?lang=EN
Post by: puddin on January 20, 2009, 02:32:54 PM
from Nijjy
Quote
We were on a train on Nov 2 to Spiez, Switzerland (and then transferring to
another train to Interlaken) when flocks of cameras and people got on in
Domodossola, Italy
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg360511.html#msg360511
Post by: walkingpneumonia on January 20, 2009, 05:00:44 PM
that makes sense Gman!I now know more about Italian trains than is healthy...
from NijjyQuoteWe were on a train on Nov 2 to Spiez, Switzerland (and then transferring to
another train to Interlaken) when flocks of cameras and people got on in
Domodossola, Italy
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg360511.html#msg360511
I believe the train where our little people are risking their necks is this train, that according to the website http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix_frameset.html (http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix_frameset.html) is used on the Domodossola - Milan run.
Looks like it to me anyways.
Post by: apskip on January 20, 2009, 10:17:06 PM
Post by: Slowhatch on January 21, 2009, 11:06:32 AM
Also: if you want to ride the FART (Locarno-Domodossola in about a minute), it's here (http://flickr.com/photos/hurtubia/2950481736/), but there's nothing that matches the Munoz rail cap. Since the Cisalpino uses silver/gray (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lastarial/3181648027/), that's where my chips will go for now.
Post by: puddin on January 21, 2009, 03:21:59 PM
hey so I finally have the football promo youtubed :lol: :-[
click the video twice to get the "watch in high quality" option
Post by: apskip on January 22, 2009, 04:35:27 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 22, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
The helmets on the middle-aged man and woman look like Soviet era cosmonaut headgear. However, the only training facility I can find in russia is the cosmonaut training program in Star City, a suburb of Russia. I doubt that AR14 went there.
Couldn't that maybe just be in the helicopters we think they fly in on? I doubt we would get much other than Intro or first leg footage here...
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 22, 2009, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 22, 2009, 05:26:58 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 22, 2009, 08:15:07 PM
Post by: woden on January 23, 2009, 09:33:09 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2009, 09:35:37 AM
Post by: Coutzy on January 23, 2009, 09:37:07 AM
*Bows down to sheer dedication and awesomness*
Post by: woden on January 23, 2009, 09:38:26 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2009, 10:17:27 AM
Sorry, I screwed up the image link at first -- working now?
:yess: awesome job! And I have been drooling over that mat for days, :lol3:
Post by: Coutzy on January 23, 2009, 10:18:57 AM
And then the proceeds could go to maintaining the server!
*TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE FIVE*
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 10:52:03 AM
I can't remember if we had nailed down the Siberia location or not, but the eBay pictures of Bonnie Hunt's mat show the mat's carrying case with a Krasnoyarsk airport tag.Eagle eye! Great catch mwooden! :yess:
Post by: DrRox on January 23, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2009, 12:32:39 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2009, 12:45:58 PM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14MatBag.png)
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14MatBag2.png)
Post by: walkingpneumonia on January 23, 2009, 01:08:50 PM
Here is the LINK (http://cgi.ebay.com/Amazing-Race-Mat-Signed-by-Phil-Keoghan_W0QQitemZ230319761859QQihZ013QQcategoryZ18839QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting) to the pictures, and here is this too in case it helps. (embedding so this treasure is never lost, lol!)
Interesting - the mat traveled on Air China 983 on November 22. AC 983 is a direct flight from Beijing to Los Angeles. Do they use 2 mats (an understudy ;D ) ?
Because this mat should have been in Hawaii for the finale on Nov 22 - unless the Hawaii speculation is wrong...
Post by: woden on January 23, 2009, 01:19:47 PM
Post by: apskip on January 23, 2009, 01:20:19 PM
I have always assumed that there is a mat for each pit stop. Then the advance teams can have it ready and nobody has to worry about the making sure it makes a flight. The cost of 11 mats vs. 1 cannot be huge.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2009, 01:21:46 PM
no, looks like 11/22!
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 01:23:24 PM
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 01:23:51 PM
They use the giant mat for the finale.GMTA :lol:
Post by: woden on January 23, 2009, 01:30:29 PM
Post by: walkingpneumonia on January 23, 2009, 01:59:40 PM
It could be said that this is not the finale mat, they use that large one at the finishine. I hardly think they had time to have a regular "pitstop" in Hawaii. Perhaps they just sent the regular pitstop mat ahead? ..to LAX.
OK, never mind...
So this would be the Traveling Matt ?
Post by: apskip on January 23, 2009, 02:56:07 PM
Here is the schedule from Krasnojarsk to Novosibirsk on a weekday (Thursday actually):
Dep.Kr Arr.No Duration
00:57 14:09 13:12
02:01 17:27 15:26
04:10 16:01 11:51
05:59 20:06 14:07
06:52 18:51 11:59
07:18 22:52 15:34
08:05 21:24 13:19
10:09 23:55 13:46
10:36 23:12 12:36
11:16 00:58 13:42
12:36 01:12 12:36
13:51 02:24 12:33
14:37 04:19 13:42
15:27 04:33 13:06
18:26 06:47 12:21
23:36 12:38 13:02
The similar schedules for Krasnoyarsk to Irkutsk are:
04:03 21:44 17:41
05:21 06:13 24:52
06:56 01:18 18:22
07:45 01:03 17:18
08:54 03:19 18:25
09:16 03:28 18:12
10:28 04:07 17:39
11:52 05:34 17:42
18:10 18:35 24:25
19:16 13:00 17:44
20:55 14:40 17:45
The next question I have to ask is "could teams have flown from Krasnojarsk to Novosibirsk?" The answer is probably not. There are no nonstop flights on the appropriate days of the week (Friday). Connecting flights are possible but for a relatively short distance of 762 km one flight combination takes 8 hours through Irkutsk and all the rest take 11 hours through Moscow.
The next logical question is "can we accommodate Phil being in Delhi early on the morning of Nov. 14?" My guess is that he has a 36 hour lead due to an extended rest stop. So what would that allow him to do? One possibility is to get to Moscow(to be addressed below) on Nov. 14 in time for SU555 SVO DEL 1850 0330+1, connecting with DEL BKK TG724 1155 1725 and then with BKK HKT TG223 1820 1940. To do this he must have been unable to get the Moscow to Bangkok nonstop flight SU553 on Nov. 14, which should have been his first choice but could have been full. The next question is how Phil could get to Moscow-Sheremetyevo for these connections. Here are the possibilities that fit(although all have long connect times in Moscow):
Best is Irkutsk IKT SVO SU748 1400 1525
Novosibirsk OVB SVO 5N808 1055 1210
Krasnojarsk KJA SVO SU782 1040 1145
We don't know for sure that teams were on the TransSiberian Express but it makes good sense. For them to fly into Krasnojarsk makes good sense, but it could also have been Irkutsk or Novosibirsk. Which way they traveled on the TransSiberian Express is not known yet. Which city they flew out of is also not clear at this point.
Post by: apskip on January 23, 2009, 04:27:04 PM
1. It is a major port on the Yenisei River, the major south to north river in central Siberia emptying into the Arctic Sea. Due to the Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric dam 32 kilometers upstream, the Yenisei never freezes in winter and never exceeds 14 °C (57.2 °F) in summer temperature through the city.
2. It is a major stop on the TransSiberian Railway
3. The most popular place of attraction for tourists visiting Krasnojarsk is the huge national nature reserve Stolby (Pillars in Russian) or the Rock Pillars. Stolby covers an area of 181 square miles with numerous giant granite rocks formations up to 100 meters high, many of very extraordinary shapes. Stolby is also a major rock climbing location, many local climbers intentionally do not use any belaying equipment and call their extreme sport "stolbizm", which is known around the world as solo climbing.
Post by: DrRox on January 23, 2009, 04:35:03 PM
Btw, just a tremendous bit of detective work mwooden!!!!!
Post by: Belle Book on January 23, 2009, 05:41:17 PM
It could be said that this is not the finale mat, they use that large one at the finishine. I hardly think they had time to have a regular "pitstop" in Hawaii. Perhaps they just sent the regular pitstop mat ahead? ..to LAX.
OK, never mind...
So this would be the Traveling Matt ?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :funny:
I loved Fraggle Rock!
Belle Book
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 08:09:16 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0000-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0001-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0002-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0003-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0004-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0005.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0006.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0007.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0008-2.jpg)
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2009, 08:13:02 PM
:popcorn:
Post by: Slowhatch on January 23, 2009, 08:33:23 PM
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 08:54:54 PM
or option below that I just noticed for a higher quality video, lol
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2009, 09:07:04 PM
gosh they get to do helicopters, bungee, and a tandem jump all right off the bat?? Yippee! Maybe they are picking the tasks up a notch this season! Looks like fun to me!
:chute:
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 09:07:30 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/th_DSC_0449.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/DSC_0449.jpg)5 Interlaken - Paras landing
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2009, 09:13:18 PM
http://www.twinparagliding.com/en_theflightoffer.html#
click on the panoramamap--neat! Choose our spot, lol!
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 09:28:37 PM
Interactive search + locate (http://gis2.begasoft.ch/gis/pages/ch.bgs.googlegis.gwt.GMap/interlaken.jsf?lang=en&jumpBoxIndex=0)
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2009, 09:35:10 PM
:-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Post by: Slowhatch on January 23, 2009, 09:37:33 PM
As far as the paragliding goes, I've found two databases: Paragliding Earth (http://www.paraglidingearth.com/en-html/index.php?region=863) and the Swiss database Flyland (http://www.flyland.ch./start.htm?Sprache=E).
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2009, 09:55:05 PM
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 10:20:58 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0015-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0016-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0017-1.jpg)
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 10:27:52 PM
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 10:29:03 PM
Post by: Snooky on January 23, 2009, 10:35:05 PM
:yess:
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2009, 10:36:08 PM
Post by: Snooky on January 23, 2009, 10:38:41 PM
Could this be off the coast of California? Maybe are they helicoptering in off the coast on the way to Los Alamitos? ???
They will probably ride army helicopters to the starting line. I don't think they are skydiving there however. The mountains aren't really that tall looking. The helicopters also look different in both the pictures.
???
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 10:43:13 PM
<< HQuality toggle
Post by: DrRox on January 23, 2009, 10:49:42 PM
Could this be off the coast of California? Maybe are they helicoptering in off the coast on the way to Los Alamitos? ???
I think you hit the nail right on the head Peach. Similiar to All Stars, where you guys found the assembly point on that tiny island and then they rode the cigarette boats to the start line. I think in TAR14, they assemble someplace and then ride the Navy/Marine helicopters up the coast to the start line at the Los Alamitos Airfield.
Btw, all the helicopters are the same Navy/Marine Sea Stallions.
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 10:56:57 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2009, 10:58:59 PM
http://www.airviews.com/catalinaPage/catalina2.html
Plus remember BVM said they do a "death defying task" right off the bat? That's been bugging me, leg 2 isn't right off the bat...
Post by: DrRox on January 23, 2009, 11:01:27 PM
Using Los Alamitos, gives TPTB some added security in that the normal public will not have access to the starting line.
Peach, that is the coast line of California going south from Los Angeles toward San Diego.....Orange County, etc. Though it is a little far down the coast, the Marines have a base at Camp Pendleton in Oceanside and the Navy has big airbase at Miramar that could be assembly points for those Sea Stallions to take off from,. Remember in the early days, it was speculated that start was in San Diego. It could be that the assembly point for the racers were on one of those military bases. Again the military base gives them security from the public. But they could land and take off those helicopters just from just about any airport in the area or even a golf course. Those shots of the helicopters in the promo are flying south to north up the California coastline, ie, from the direction of San Diego to Los Angeles.
I was thinking that death defying stunt was the bungee off the dam, their first morning in Europe.
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 11:17:12 PM
Post by: DrRox on January 23, 2009, 11:28:29 PM
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 11:39:17 PM
Agreed, the heli is for filming the action/bungee only
I was thinking that death defying stunt was the bungee off the dam, their first morning in Europe.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0031-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0013.jpg)
Post by: Slowhatch on January 23, 2009, 11:43:50 PM
Post by: puddin on January 23, 2009, 11:47:02 PM
Post by: DrRox on January 24, 2009, 12:10:26 AM
But in the promos from TAR14, it appears to me that the helicopters are flying south to north along the coast in the area down by Laguna Beach and Dana Point and areas south of there. Thats all I am saying.
In looking at Google Earth, it is probably half as far from Camp Pendleton in Oceanside to Los Alamitos as it is from Edwards AFB to Long Beach. Those helicopters have MARINES on the side and Pendleton is a Marine Base.
Post by: apskip on January 24, 2009, 09:11:21 AM
1. The views of an island have to be Santa Catalina Island(aka Catalina), which is off the coast of California about 30 miles. Here is: Catalina Island Map (http://www.catalinachamber.com/pdf/Catalina_Map_NEW.pdf)
2. The key issue is not where the helicopers come from, but where the teams embark from.
3. Choices for embarkation point include the military base where the helicopters originate(Los Alamitos, El Toro or San Clemente Island military base airports); a private high-speed boat to take the teams from somewhere on the nearby coast to Avalon or Two Villages(only villages on Santa Catalina); or commercial high-speed catamaran lines that go from the Long Beach/Queen Mary/Dana Point and from Marina Del Rey area (near Los Angeles International Airport) to Avalon and Two Villages, or from Newport Beach by high-speed catamaran to Avalon or by flying into any Catalina heiport from Long Beach or San Pedro on commercial flights.
4. So here is a scenario which works:
a. Helicopters orginate from Los Alamitos and fly to a heliport(there are two I have found, one called Avaon Bay and the other nearer to Two Villages is Avalo Vor/WP) on Catalina where teams are waiting.
b. Teams could arrive by any of the methods discussed above.
c. Teams could do their death-defying stunt somewhere over the ocean.
d. Then there is the option of taking teams to the mainland on the military helicopters or commercial helicopters or putting them on the catamaran to Marina Del Rey or flying them back on a commercial helicopter. I like the catamaran to Marina del Rey option best here.
Post by: Snooky on January 24, 2009, 09:28:57 AM
Post by: Chateau d If on January 24, 2009, 04:49:15 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0017-1.jpg)
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/4687094.jpg)
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/4602677.jpg)
At least that is my vote! :snicker:
Post by: georgiapeach on January 24, 2009, 05:25:55 PM
So on the way from________ to Los Alamitos?
Post by: anon1akacolby on January 24, 2009, 07:42:08 PM
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Nice job, Chateau!!
So on the way from________ to Los Alamitos?
San Pedro is in the opposite direction of Los Alamitos base. I haven't seen the clip yet but if the coast in shown and the helicopter is moving left to right of the screen then yes they are flying to Los Al. If the clip shows them flying toward that area then I don't know where they are flying. :lol: that would be up the rest of the LA coast toward LAX, Santa Monica, etc.
Of course if they are flying from Catalina island would mean that they may see that part of the San Pedro coast even though it is a little bit more north. they could do sort of a fly by. It would be to the left of them.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/anon1akacolby/coastline.jpg)
Here's an overview showing Catalina and the coast from San Predro down to Orange County. I marked the location Los Al base and the San Pedro coast which we suspect the picture is of.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/anon1akacolby/coastline2.jpg)
Post by: georgiapeach on January 24, 2009, 07:50:37 PM
Post by: anon1akacolby on January 24, 2009, 07:53:00 PM
Or as they flew up the coast, they looped out toward the ocean when they got near Huntington beach and looped back in and flew over Seal Beach toward Los Alamitos base. That could explain how a camera would get that direct shot of the San Pedro coastline a shown in the clip.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 24, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Post by: anon1akacolby on January 24, 2009, 08:24:07 PM
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Or maybe they just did a circuit Los Alamitos>>Los Alamitos
:funny:
Post by: Slowhatch on January 25, 2009, 01:38:39 AM
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Or maybe they just did a circuit Los Alamitos>>Los Alamitos :lol:It's possible, even probable. Entry vehicles have been used in the past for show, rather than actual transport; there's no reason this season shouldn't be any different than TAR7 (if you look closely at the Queen Mary footage, you'll see most of the teams jumping out of the same helo).
Post by: Slowhatch on January 25, 2009, 01:48:26 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2009, 02:02:45 AM
But I can't figure out why we would have a paraglide AND a bungee all at the same time? COULD this be in CA? :o
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 25, 2009, 02:04:58 AM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 25, 2009, 02:22:13 AM
Post by: puddin on January 25, 2009, 02:23:38 AM
I don't think so. I would lean towards Paragliding being a Detour Choice and bungee jumping being either a detour choice or an additional task :yess:I agree, clearly the Bungee is a Roadblock, red clue card, and the gliding looks like a duo of racers.
I was imagining Slowhatch and I Paragliding in Interlaken together :lol:, I was the one with the red chute!
.....ETA: and it was a blast!
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 25, 2009, 02:27:15 AM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 25, 2009, 02:29:32 AM
Post by: apskip on January 25, 2009, 07:25:33 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2009, 09:01:23 AM
Post by: Chateau d If on January 25, 2009, 12:02:14 PM
This shot was taken between 2:14 and 2:53 pm (assumes October 31st)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0017-1.jpg)
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 25, 2009, 01:43:04 PM
Post by: DrRox on January 25, 2009, 02:43:33 PM
One more thing about this shot is that if it is Fermin Point then it was taken really late in the day. Something like 2 to 3 pm. Too late for a typical TAR start time.
This shot was taken between 2:14 and 2:53 pm (assumes October 31st)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0017-1.jpg)
Chateau d, I am going to respectfully disagree with your determination that this is Pt. Fermin. Where is the lighthouse on the end of the point? Where are the trees that are right behind the lighthouse? And most of all, where are all the houses that are across the street from the lighthouse? The housing density does not compare to Pt. Fermin and San Pedro. This is a very barren promontory of land. Also, if this is Pt. Fermin, where is the jetty that protects the harbor of Long Beach?
What is the promontory in the background? There is nothing that close to Pt Fermin to the north or west, till you get to the old Marineland. I thought at first maybe this was Pt Vincente, the far promontory, in Palos Verdes. So I tried to figure out where the helicopter had to be to make the shot and I couldn't get any reasonable angle.
To me, the lack of housing density just precludes this to be Pt. Fermin or anywhere UP the coast from there. If you look at that Google Earth shot you posted, it is full of houses.
One other question I have, is the two Sea Stallon helicopters in the promo. That helicopter will hold 37 fully geared up marines. Without gear, it will hold 55 people. Even if all 11 teams and their camera crews were onboard....one helicopter would be enough. If it wasn't for the picture of the one team, in helicopter gear, I would almost think it was stock footage of flying helicopters. Now that you put a time of day on it, it makes even less sense. If in fact it is some place farther south or east down the coast or on Catalina Island, the time of the photo wouldn't vary all that much. I would think at that time of day, teams should be at the airport or maybe even in the air already on the way to Europe. I haven't gone back to check on Apskip's flight timetables from LAX, but sure seems to late in the day to be flying around in helicopters to me.
Post by: Boingo on January 25, 2009, 05:38:20 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 25, 2009, 05:52:32 PM
Post by: Chateau d If on January 25, 2009, 05:57:31 PM
Here is the GE tilted view that tries to match:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0017-1.jpg)
Post by: puddin on January 25, 2009, 06:49:51 PM
Post by: Slowhatch on January 25, 2009, 06:50:39 PM
- The small tree at the end of the promontory (seen here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/94028658@N00/3208905014/) from a different angle)
- The small bush 2/3 up the strata
- The dirt area shaped like a breaking wave
Since the producers seem stuck on SoCal, two hi-res resources you can bookmark are the Coastal Records Project (http://www.californiacoastline.org/) and SoCal Aerial Photography (http://www.cnsm.csulb.edu/departments/geology/people/bperry/AerialPhotosSoCal/AerialPhotographyIndexMapPage.htm) from the Geology dept. at CSULB (which provided the source photo (http://www.cnsm.csulb.edu/departments/geology/people/bperry/GrantPhotos/CatalinaFeb06/090CloseViewPortAndInspirPointsFeb06L.jpg)).
What does it mean? I still think it means zip, just a pretty section of coastline they wanted to shoot to help give the illusion that teams are actually transported from someplace to Phil.
Post by: puddin on January 25, 2009, 06:52:17 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2009, 06:57:41 PM
??? I'm confused. Where does Edwards come in? The Bell helos in TAR7 flew around the Palos Verdes peninsula, and the promo caps look similar (compare with the Portuguese Bend (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jw-jets/2133060732/) area). But I haven't seen an assembly point. Producers like to drop the racers out of the sky, then show the bio clips.
Darn, HOW did I miss this? Thank you Slowhatch, looks good to me!
Sigh, I want to drive along there.....
Post by: anon1akacolby on January 25, 2009, 07:05:50 PM
ok, now I agree with slowhatch. :lol:
regardless....the palos verdes peninsula or Pt. Fermin in San Pedro, it's all much more north of Los Alamitos AF base.
the footage looks more and more like extra aerial footage shot just for show.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2009, 07:12:05 PM
Post by: Boingo on January 25, 2009, 07:25:21 PM
Post by: Chateau d If on January 25, 2009, 07:31:10 PM
Now with the correct location:
This shot was taken between 10:13 and 10:26 am (assumes October 31st).
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0017-1.jpg)
Post by: puddin on January 25, 2009, 07:54:17 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 25, 2009, 08:04:57 PM
Post by: Boingo on January 25, 2009, 08:29:37 PM
Reality check time: All this assumes that the racers take a "commercial flight" out of LAX. (I don't recall any airport sightings) Just wondering.... :angel:
Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2009, 08:44:09 PM
Post by: Slowhatch on January 25, 2009, 08:56:41 PM
It all depends on which side of the runway you're on. If you're on the south side, taking Valleyview will dump you directly on the 405 feeder (try routing it from Orangewood next to the Navy golf course and you'll see what I mean). The teams are on the north side; in addition to the longer route, the traffic (weekday mornings, at least) on the north 605 will back up (for miles, sometimes) starting at the I-5 junction. Teams could save time going right instead of left on Katella (and avoid the red-light-camera intersection at Los Alamitos blvd. :rules: ;D) and then down Valleyview, but it would be counterintuitive.
Post by: Boingo on January 25, 2009, 09:08:21 PM
Post by: puddin on January 25, 2009, 10:38:44 PM
fwiw some better screencaps, sorry no Bend
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0004-2.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0007-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0005-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0006-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0009-2.jpg)
Post by: puddin on January 25, 2009, 10:40:04 PM
Post by: puddin on January 25, 2009, 10:41:52 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 25, 2009, 10:43:08 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2009, 10:45:19 PM
I am obliged to believe that Margaret is holding an 8. 8th place?? what does it mean!
Probably a departure order, kiwi...
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 25, 2009, 10:51:49 PM
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 26, 2009, 01:21:02 AM
but that is usually times. I can only see 8 there!
It could be a number for an order that they will be performing the task next morning, possibly the bungee/paraglide/other tasks already mentioned. But for departure times, they do usually have the time written on it.
If indeed it is an '8', which it looks like to me, we can assume that the mother/son team is not on the first flight in the first leg. :'(
Post by: anon1akacolby on January 26, 2009, 01:36:58 AM
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OK, just had to check something.... as I was saying, according to GE, it's 29.2 miles from Los Alamitos, AAF to LAX, with an approximate driving time of 37 mins. Just two major freeways, but I would have thought that the San Diego Freeway was a more direct route. go figure...
Reality check time: All this assumes that the racers take a "commercial flight" out of LAX. (I don't recall any airport sightings) Just wondering....
From the Los Alamitos area there are two routes, as noted, to LAX:
1. 405 North (straight shot)
2. 605 NOrth to the 105 West
You can access LAX from either the 405 or 105.
Considering where they are and then time of day, I personally would take the 405 North. I wouldn't even give the other route a thought. I live near the 405/605 intersection and when I am planning to go LAX, route 2 never even crosses my mind. (coming home however that's another story. :lol: )
Even if they did head in the direction of the 605, I would expect them to take the 605 south and then onto the 405 North.
Traffic would be tough during that time period regardless however I would think the 405 would be a better bet.
I'd say it would take them roughtly an hour give or take a few.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
Post by: puddin on January 26, 2009, 08:57:25 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/cast/97613_D0439b-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/cast/97613_D0284b-1.jpg)
THE AMAZING RACE 14--Host Phil Keoghan of THE AMAZING RACE 14 at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX).
Post by: Slowhatch on January 26, 2009, 09:04:54 AM
Post by: schwarzmoor on January 26, 2009, 09:11:45 AM
Some interesting stuff in the "Amazing Race Montage" at the CBS site: pie throwing, carrying cheese downhill, elephant cyclists, segway navigation, ballerinas, etc.
I can't watch this video coz I think I'm outside US. Can someone upload this video to somewhere else? Thanks!
Post by: Slowhatch on January 26, 2009, 09:13:47 AM
Post by: Slowhatch on January 26, 2009, 09:18:55 AM
Post by: Kogs on January 26, 2009, 09:22:56 AM
??? No idea where this is. Someone should have it spotted by the time I get back from work. :tup:
thats the birdsnest aka olympic stadium in beejing
Post by: Coutzy on January 26, 2009, 09:27:00 AM
??? No idea where this is. Someone should have it spotted by the time I get back from work. :tup:
thats the birdsnest aka olympic stadium in beejing
Correct, I thought that would have been the most recognizable building in the world right now.
Post by: puddin on January 26, 2009, 09:29:29 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 26, 2009, 09:56:18 AM
Post by: walkingpneumonia on January 26, 2009, 09:59:16 AM
??? No idea where this is. Someone should have it spotted by the time I get back from work. :tup:
Where is the stadium in the montage? The version on the CBS site now doesn't have it...
edit: it seems depending on which interstitial is on before the montage you may not see the first bit. It starts with the elephant.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 26, 2009, 10:24:21 AM
:wohoo:
Post by: Boingo on January 26, 2009, 10:50:43 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 26, 2009, 10:52:30 AM
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg367578.html#msg367578
Post by: apskip on January 26, 2009, 11:09:20 AM
1. The scene of the beergarden is typically German, not Austrian(even though Salzburg in on the border). It's very easy to cross over to Bertechsgaden, maybe 25 miels from Salzburg. I predict that that task will be in Germany.
2. The ballet is quintessentially Russian. I predict we will see it in one of the Siberian cities.
Post by: apskip on January 26, 2009, 11:13:49 AM
Post by: Uncle Bill on January 26, 2009, 11:15:10 AM
Post by: Boingo on January 26, 2009, 11:16:34 AM
Segway at Lago Maggiore (http://www.maggiore.ch/15/common_details.jsp?id=90361)
Post by: anon1akacolby on January 26, 2009, 11:19:40 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/cast/97613_D0284b-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/anon1akacolby/AirNZ_Koru.jpg)
Post by: Uncle Bill on January 26, 2009, 11:27:36 AM
Post by: apskip on January 26, 2009, 12:23:36 PM
Post by: puddin on January 26, 2009, 12:24:26 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 26, 2009, 12:34:21 PM
Bavaria would be fabulous!
Russia ballet, could St Petersburg be possible? :duno:
We need to have 9 countries this time:
Switzerland
Austria
Romania
India
Russia
Siberia
Thailand
China
USA (Hawaii)
So if we don't count Russia/Siberia as 2, we are still missing one.... ???
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These contestants will travel one of the most grueling courses ever assembled on the Race - spanning 40,000 miles and nine countries in just 22 days. Teams will be faced with a multitude of extremes, including the world's second tallest bungee jump, bone-chilling Siberian temperatures followed by the suffocating heat of India, and an Olympic-sized challenge that leaves Teams gasping for air. For the first time in the history of the Race, Teams will travel to Romania and Siberia.
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18247.msg371429.html#msg371429
Olympic-sized challenge that leaves Teams gasping for air shouts swimming challenge to me, hopefully at the Olympic pool site: the "Water Cube".
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14Beijingwatercube.jpg)
Post by: walkingpneumonia on January 26, 2009, 12:43:00 PM
Thanks Uncle Bll and Boingo for that info! That's some lotta beer :jam:, and German beer is strong, As I can attest to after having survivied a week at Oktober fest with a bunch of Aussie's years ago, :funny:
Bavaria would be fabulous!
Russia ballet, could St Petersburg be possible? :duno:
We need to have 9 countries this time:
Switzerland
Austria
Romania
India
Russia
Siberia
Thailand
China
USA (Hawaii)
So if we don't count Russia/Siberia as 2, we are still missing one.... ???
They visit Italy (Domodossola) when they are on the train from Locarno...
Post by: georgiapeach on January 26, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
World countries does not count Russia and Siberia separately...
Post by: redwings8831 on January 26, 2009, 01:29:45 PM
Olympic-sized challenge that leaves Teams gasping for air shouts swimming challenge to me, hopefully at the Olympic pool site: the "Water Cube".
Maybe as a possible task, teams have to swim and complete all eight Olympic races that Phelps won gold in.
Also, does anyone have an idea of where the picture that used the cakes is from (country)?
Post by: georgiapeach on January 26, 2009, 01:34:37 PM
Post by: puddin on January 26, 2009, 01:38:32 PM
I vote Austria for cakes!
Me too
.............
Michael's blog find: (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg359145.html#msg359145)
• The driver pulled down the window and asked a young Austrian man for directions. I recognized right away that the driver spoke American English, so being the helpful American I am, I pulled around the front of the car to see if I could help. The Austrian man was fishing for his English vocabulary. Both the front and rear driver's side windows were down. A young man was driving, what I guess was his wife or girlfriend was behind him.
"How do you get to Schloss Hellbrunn?" the man asked me. He and the woman were frazzled, amazingly desperate! And they were covered in what looked like an amazing amount blood, guts, and pumpkin rot. But it all looked fake. Plus they had tons of make-up on
Post by: georgiapeach on January 26, 2009, 01:43:48 PM
Post by: Boingo on January 26, 2009, 02:47:04 PM
FWIW, the picture below is described as "(Re 620) Re 6 / 6 train at the entrance to the Göschenen railway station ;)
... you can see a similar building and top of the tank structure behind the train. FYI, Göschenen is serviced by the Gotthard Railway. So there. :snicker:
Post by: puddin on January 26, 2009, 02:51:33 PM
Post by: Boingo on January 26, 2009, 03:17:53 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 26, 2009, 03:21:34 PM
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Göschenen is a municipality in the canton of Uri in Switzerland.
It is located at the northern end of the St. Gotthard Tunnel and the Gotthard Rail Tunnel in the canton of Uri. It is in the German-speaking part of Switzerland.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 26, 2009, 04:13:52 PM
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The racecourse spans 40,000 miles and nine countries in only 22 days, according to the release. Along the way, teams — which include stuntmen brothers, a pair of former NFL cheerleaders, two female flight attendants, a brother-sister duo with Harvard law degrees and the show’s first-ever deaf contestant and his mother will face the world’s second tallest bungee jump, the “bone-chilling cold” of Siberia followed by the “suffocating heat” of India, stops in Romania and Serbia and an “Olympic-sized challenge that leaves teams gasping for air” among other challenges
Link: http://tvwatch.people.com/2009/01/26/the-amazing-races-14th-season-will-be-grueling/ (http://tvwatch.people.com/2009/01/26/the-amazing-races-14th-season-will-be-grueling/)
Post by: Boingo on January 26, 2009, 04:24:51 PM
Did an editor slip up here and really mean Siberia? ??? :duno: Or do we need to have a look-see? ???
Not really, this kinda solves your "missing country" issue. Serbia (formerly Yugoslavia) borders Romania. Fits the less air travel mantra of TAR14. They could visit both easily. Note the author also mentions Siberia in the same article. It's possible. ;)
Post by: georgiapeach on January 26, 2009, 04:26:22 PM
Post by: puddin on January 26, 2009, 04:50:32 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 26, 2009, 04:57:33 PM
So really, I think it is a mis-hearing/understanding of Siberia.
But since you never know, I am working on follow up.
Post by: Snooky on January 26, 2009, 05:11:49 PM
Hmm... Twelve episodes. Maybe a double leg. Or maybe 12 legs. Or maybe it is just false.
:ascared
Post by: puddin on January 26, 2009, 05:17:35 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on January 26, 2009, 05:37:11 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/promo1/rff-0051.jpg)
I haven't been able to find a really close match yet, but it seems that they are a traditional Swiss German Räf defined here (http://www.heidiland.com/en/navpage.cfm?category=heidimagazinhl&subcat=heidimagazinhl&id=321887) as
"A frame for carrying objects on one’s back, with which one can balance cumbersome and heavy loads over the centre line of the body, thus making them easier to carry."
The picture on this page here (http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:tN33IH9YjFsJ:photo.net/photodb/photo%3Fphoto_id%3D7660219+%22wooden+backpack%22+Switzerland&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=nz) has been removed, but I think the comment is referring to the same piece of apparatus
"The wooden backpack is also used for carrying the large cheeses down into the valley."
The closest image match I have been able to find is on ebay
(http://i8.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/1c/84/c71c_1.JPG)
Link (http://cgi.ebay.ch/Ruckentrage-altes-Raf-aus-Holz_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ130270573933#ebayphotohosting)
Post by: Belle Book on January 26, 2009, 05:49:10 PM
Olympic-sized challenge that leaves Teams gasping for air shouts swimming challenge to me, hopefully at the Olympic pool site: the "Water Cube".
Maybe as a possible task, teams have to swim and complete all eight Olympic races that Phelps won gold in.
That would be an Olympic-sized task -- and one that would leave teams gasping for air -- literally!
Belle Book
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 26, 2009, 06:40:34 PM
This was based on a press release and NOT an interview, and all of the press releases should be the same, and no one else's (including ours) says Serbia.
So really, I think it is a mis-hearing/understanding of Siberia.
But since you never know, I am working on follow up.
Just guessing here, but if they did want to stick to the Olympic-theme in this season, Serbia competed for the first time as an independant nation in the 2008 Olympics. That could explain why they would want to go there in this season in particular. Just speculating, though.
Post by: mjriches2005 on January 26, 2009, 07:06:49 PM
Post by: anon1akacolby on January 26, 2009, 08:09:26 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/larger-1.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0029-1.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0024-1.jpg)
Post by: Mrs Shrek on January 26, 2009, 08:52:59 PM
I have been trying to find out more about the wooden backpacks they are using here
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/promo1/rff-0051.jpg)
I haven't been able to find a really close match yet, but it seems that they are a traditional Swiss German Räf defined here (http://www.heidiland.com/en/navpage.cfm?category=heidimagazinhl&subcat=heidimagazinhl&id=321887) as
"A frame for carrying objects on one’s back, with which one can balance cumbersome and heavy loads over the centre line of the body, thus making them easier to carry."
The picture on this page here (http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:tN33IH9YjFsJ:photo.net/photodb/photo%3Fphoto_id%3D7660219+%22wooden+backpack%22+Switzerland&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=nz) has been removed, but I think the comment is referring to the same piece of apparatus
"The wooden backpack is also used for carrying the large cheeses down into the valley."
:jumpy: Found the missing pic. I think it's a match
(http://photo.net/general-comments/attachment/13919536/fileT0MbIy.jpg)
http://photo.net/general-comments/image-attachment?comment_id=13919536 (http://photo.net/general-comments/image-attachment?comment_id=13919536)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 26, 2009, 09:16:12 PM
Post by: gingerman28 on January 26, 2009, 10:00:50 PM
Post by: anon1akacolby on January 26, 2009, 10:58:50 PM
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That's a very strange combination: umpah band, beer, and tortes (cakes) all in one location. Is there a choice of tasks? Guzzle x number of steins of beer or smash x number of cakes? In any case, what a waste. And look at all the cakes, a heck of a lot more than one per team.
I know!! Who would choose cakes over beer?!!! I wouldn't. :lol:
:jam:
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 27, 2009, 12:04:32 AM
Post by: Neobie on January 27, 2009, 12:50:17 AM
Adding a flight back to Moscow before heading to India pumps the figure up to 24797 miles. Adding another return trip from Delhi to the bottom of the subcontinent makes it 27255.
Previous CBS estimates have been generous, but we're still far from 40000 miles. What could account for those missing frequent flier points? A finish line that comes AFTER Hawaii in the Continental US?
(http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?PATH=lax-fra-lszl-lsmi-szg-muc-otp-dme-kja-ovb-del-bkk-hkt-bkk-kwl-pek-hnl&PATH-COLOR=red)
Post by: puddin on January 27, 2009, 01:40:34 AM
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Sadly, no on could be bothered to listen as we sprinted between two terminals (sent from one to the other and then back via a 10 minute shuttle bus each way). Three airlines, twelve “customer service” representatives and multiple people yelling at each other in Mandarin later we found ourselves on an Air China flight back to Tokyo. We’re still not sure why or what they were screaming but it seemed to be the norm for the airport. That said, it was a lovely airport.
During this ordeal we couldn’t help but notice two groups of travelers flashing American passports being flanked by their own teams of cameramen looking a little too giddy to be at the airport in Beijing at 8am. Oddly enough, it seems that we found ourselves in the middle of CBS’ “Amazing Race” with two teams on our flight. Without giving too much away, I can assure you that all of the panic and suspense of the actual show comes from some really great editing. On this particular day we found ourselves watching the double mint twins in matching sweatshirts, bleached teeth and badly dyed red hair preen the entire time for the cameras.
Still we had quite a ways to go and even bumped into the host Phil Keoghan as he waited for his flight to film the finale in Hawaii. It’s important to note that the running, fighting and begging for seats that you see on TV didn’t really happen and oh yeah, Phil flies business class.
Post by: apskip on January 27, 2009, 07:24:37 AM
A rough estimate, using Delhi as the Indian location, gives us 22225 miles. (All predicted flight connections, through Frankfurt, Munich and Moscow for example, HAVE been included.) Novosibirsk, which has direct flights to Delhi, has been placed after Krasnojarsk, which doesn't.
Adding a flight back to Moscow before heading to India pumps the figure up to 24797 miles. Adding another return trip from Delhi to the bottom of the subcontinent makes it 27255.
Previous CBS estimates have been generous, but we're still far from 40000 miles. What could account for those missing frequent flier points? A finish line that comes AFTER Hawaii in the Continental US?
(http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?PATH=lax-fra-lszl-lsmi-szg-muc-otp-dme-kja-ovb-del-bkk-hkt-bkk-kwl-pek-hnl&PATH-COLOR=red)
First of all, there is not time for another leg and there is supposedly not a 13th leg. On Nov. 22, when teams should reach Hawaii, it was the 23rd day of the race. The race cannot continue on the mainland.
The best answer I can give you is a question of whether you used statute miles (always the way airlines report them) or regular miles. The difference is about 15% if you used air miles and World Race Productions used regular miles (which I would do if I were producing the Amazing Race).
Post by: selkie on January 27, 2009, 11:08:02 AM
Olympic-sized challenge that leaves Teams gasping for air shouts swimming challenge to me, hopefully at the Olympic pool site: the "Water Cube".
Maybe as a possible task, teams have to swim and complete all eight Olympic races that Phelps won gold in.
That would be an Olympic-sized task -- and one that would leave teams gasping for air -- literally!
Belle Book
Considering how many competitive swimmers would struggle to complete a long coures 400 IM or 200 fly, my guess for a swimming-based task would be some short relay like they did with the kids running in Arfica in TAR 6, or else something like doing 800 meters of freestyle, which is far more doable for a casual swimmer if they take their time and rest on the walls or lane lines as needed. That one could not only really separate out the field because ability levels can vary so much, but you can also make the other racer hold the lap cards and that makes for a fun visual.
Post by: gingerman28 on January 27, 2009, 01:18:45 PM
The blogger never got back to us Neobie .... maybe Phil was fliming final stand ups in Hawaii? And why would Phil give out that info or any of his crew?QuoteSadly, no on could be bothered to listen as we sprinted between two terminals (sent from one to the other and then back via a 10 minute shuttle bus each way). Three airlines, twelve “customer service” representatives and multiple people yelling at each other in Mandarin later we found ourselves on an Air China flight back to Tokyo. We’re still not sure why or what they were screaming but it seemed to be the norm for the airport. That said, it was a lovely airport.
During this ordeal we couldn’t help but notice two groups of travelers flashing American passports being flanked by their own teams of cameramen looking a little too giddy to be at the airport in Beijing at 8am. Oddly enough, it seems that we found ourselves in the middle of CBS’ “Amazing Race” with two teams on our flight. Without giving too much away, I can assure you that all of the panic and suspense of the actual show comes from some really great editing. On this particular day we found ourselves watching the double mint twins in matching sweatshirts, bleached teeth and badly dyed red hair preen the entire time for the cameras.
[
Does this point a finger at the "double mint twins" as being one of the final 3 teams on the way to Hawaii? Or are have they been eliminated and just travelling along with the final three? Two teams and Phil? This almost seems more like two eliminated teams rather than final three teams.
Post by: apskip on January 27, 2009, 02:48:18 PM
Post by: Belle Book on January 27, 2009, 04:03:33 PM
Olympic-sized challenge that leaves Teams gasping for air shouts swimming challenge to me, hopefully at the Olympic pool site: the "Water Cube".
Maybe as a possible task, teams have to swim and complete all eight Olympic races that Phelps won gold in.
That would be an Olympic-sized task -- and one that would leave teams gasping for air -- literally!
Belle Book
Considering how many competitive swimmers would struggle to complete a long coures 400 IM or 200 fly, my guess for a swimming-based task would be some short relay like they did with the kids running in Arfica in TAR 6, or else something like doing 800 meters of freestyle, which is far more doable for a casual swimmer if they take their time and rest on the walls or lane lines as needed. That one could not only really separate out the field because ability levels can vary so much, but you can also make the other racer hold the lap cards and that makes for a fun visual.
Yeah, that's probably the best possibility but the idea of having teams swim and compete in all eight races would be funny!
Belle Book
Post by: password on January 27, 2009, 05:54:10 PM
Post by: apskip on January 27, 2009, 09:04:25 PM
Post by: puddin on January 27, 2009, 09:12:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlOMj2b0N6w#
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Post by: georgiapeach on January 27, 2009, 09:14:56 PM
Just thoughts, there could still be somewhere out there, I want Burma!! :funny:
Post by: spontaneousss on January 28, 2009, 01:16:47 AM
The blogger never got back to us Neobie .... maybe Phil was fliming final stand ups in Hawaii? And why would Phil give out that info or any of his crew?QuoteSadly, no on could be bothered to listen as we sprinted between two terminals (sent from one to the other and then back via a 10 minute shuttle bus each way). Three airlines, twelve “customer service” representatives and multiple people yelling at each other in Mandarin later we found ourselves on an Air China flight back to Tokyo. We’re still not sure why or what they were screaming but it seemed to be the norm for the airport. That said, it was a lovely airport.
During this ordeal we couldn’t help but notice two groups of travelers flashing American passports being flanked by their own teams of cameramen looking a little too giddy to be at the airport in Beijing at 8am. Oddly enough, it seems that we found ourselves in the middle of CBS’ “Amazing Race” with two teams on our flight. Without giving too much away, I can assure you that all of the panic and suspense of the actual show comes from some really great editing. On this particular day we found ourselves watching the double mint twins in matching sweatshirts, bleached teeth and badly dyed red hair preen the entire time for the cameras.
[
Does this point a finger at the "double mint twins" as being one of the final 3 teams on the way to Hawaii? Or are have they been eliminated and just travelling along with the final three? Two teams and Phil? This almost seems more like two eliminated teams rather than final three teams.
hey guys i've been following you up for spoilers & i have to say i'm impressed, keep it up :tup:. in regards to cara & jamie being on the flight to hawaii, imo i think they are on the final 3, cause pointed out they were being tagged by the cameras the whole time..wouldn't that be a little off if the camera were focused on them if they have been eliminated already...just a thought
Post by: puddin on January 28, 2009, 01:34:19 AM
Welcome to the forum spont ... :waves:
hey guys i've been following you up for spoilers & i have to say i'm impressed, keep it up :tup:. in regards to cara & jamie being on the flight to hawaii, imo i think they are on the final 3, cause pointed out they were being tagged by the cameras the whole time..wouldn't that be a little off if the camera were focused on them if they have been eliminated already...just a thought
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 28, 2009, 10:59:16 AM
Welcome to the forum. Thanks for the that tidbit, but as we have seen, decoy teams have had camera crews follow them especially when TAR gets to the final five or so. The eliminated teams do not go to Sequesterville and basically follow the remaining teams to the finish line. And the decoys go through the route to throw off any people (like the Detectives) from finding out the final three.
Last season, one of the remaining teams played the decoys in Portland. This we know from the Detectives' great work and from our talk with the teams during the lunch before the season finale. :tup:
Post by: DrRox on January 28, 2009, 11:07:04 AM
Possible opening scenario of TAR14.
Oct 31, 2008—Leave Los Alamitos JRTB and make way to LAX for flights to Europe. Nov 1, 2008-- Possible
termination points of trans-Atlantic flights at Zurich and Milan.
Teams make their way by train to Locarno, Switzerland and arrive at
overnight sleep over point and leave the next morning at designated time.
This is not a pit stop, but a continuation leg which is common on first leg
of TAR
Nov 2, 2008—Teams make their way to the Verzasca Dam and do the bungy jump roadblock.
After the roadblock, teams are told to go to Interlaken, Switzerland by
train. Depending on arrival at train station in Locarno, there are two routes
to Interlaken, either through the Gotthard Tunnel or Simplon Tunnel.
Teams would have to determine which routing would get them to
Interlaken soonest. On arrival in Interlaken, teams encounter a detour. I
think the detour would be snow related (we had the company of the guy
that specializes in filming snowboarding). So detour is maybe
snowboarding or segway After completing detour, teams make their way
to the Pit Stop around Interlaken. It is presumed that some teams will
arrive at the Pit Stop before dark, meaning that they will leave the next
morning before sunup.
Nov 3, 2008—Leave pit stop and drive to Obermaiselstein. Along the way teams will
have to go through Lucerne. This city has similar waterfront as Interlaken
and could be site for Segway task to get clue to go to Obermaiselstein. The
cheese deal looks like a roadblock to me. All pics are of a single team
member that I can tell. So somewhere along the way, they should do the
cheese task in Switzerland to me. I mean we order Swiss cheese, not
Austrian cheese or German cheese….lol…..but that is just a guess. After
completion of roadblock, proceed to Obermaiselstein for detour,
paragliding or pie throwing. After completion of detour, drive to Schloss
Hellbrum in Salzburg for pit stop.
Nov 4, 2008--(Possible moved Pit Stop mat from night before like in Moscow) Teams
leave Salzburg Pit Stop for tasks in Salzburg then make their way to
Bucherest and Translvania arriving early morning of Nov 5th. This comes
from the fact that the lady jogged by the Schloss Hellbrum the next moring
and nothing was happening. All the cars were still parked there and nothing
where the Pit Stop mat had been the night before.
Nov 5, 2008--Teams make their way by trains to Translvania and either tasks or 36 hour
pit stop.
Post by: spontaneousss on January 28, 2009, 11:47:34 AM
Spont,
Welcome to the forum. Thanks for the that tidbit, but as we have seen, decoy teams have had camera crews follow them especially when TAR gets to the final five or so. The eliminated teams do not go to Sequesterville and basically follow the remaining teams to the finish line. And the decoys go through the route to throw off any people (like the Detectives) from finding out the final three.
Last season, one of the remaining teams played the decoys in Portland. This we know from the Detectives' great work and from our talk with the teams during the lunch before the season finale. :tup:
yeah, maybe. .. i'd just like to think the fact that another female team made it to the final 3. hehe... oh well
Post by: DrRox on January 28, 2009, 12:26:54 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 28, 2009, 02:09:22 PM
Believe me, I would love to see it. I would love another all-female make it to give them a chance. Dustin & Kandice were so close in All-Stars.Spont,
Welcome to the forum. Thanks for the that tidbit, but as we have seen, decoy teams have had camera crews follow them especially when TAR gets to the final five or so. The eliminated teams do not go to Sequesterville and basically follow the remaining teams to the finish line. And the decoys go through the route to throw off any people (like the Detectives) from finding out the final three.
Last season, one of the remaining teams played the decoys in Portland. This we know from the Detectives' great work and from our talk with the teams during the lunch before the season finale. :tup:
yeah, maybe. .. i'd just like to think the fact that another female team made it to the final 3. hehe... oh well
Post by: apskip on January 28, 2009, 03:04:32 PM
Well we are having a bad ice storm here in the Big D, so I have nothing else to do and came up with this. You guys shoot it down all you like, it will only help.
Possible opening scenario of TAR14.
Oct 31, 2008—Leave Los Alamitos JRTB and make way to LAX for flights to Europe. Nov 1, 2008-- Possible
termination points of trans-Atlantic flights at Zurich and Milan.
Teams make their way by train to Locarno, Switzerland and arrive at
overnight sleep over point and leave the next morning at designated time.
This is not a pit stop, but a continuation leg which is common on first leg
of TAR
Nov 2, 2008—Teams make their way to the Verzasca Dam and do the bungy jump roadblock.
After the roadblock, teams are told to go to Interlaken, Switzerland by
train. Depending on arrival at train station in Locarno, there are two routes
to Interlaken, either through the Gotthard Tunnel or Simplon Tunnel.
Teams would have to determine which routing would get them to
Interlaken soonest. On arrival in Interlaken, teams encounter a detour. I
think the detour would be snow related (we had the company of the guy
that specializes in filming snowboarding). So detour is maybe
snowboarding or segway After completing detour, teams make their way
to the Pit Stop around Interlaken. It is presumed that some teams will
arrive at the Pit Stop before dark, meaning that they will leave the next
morning before sunup.
Nov 3, 2008—Leave pit stop and drive to Obermaiselstein. Along the way teams will
have to go through Lucerne. This city has similar waterfront as Interlaken
and could be site for Segway task to get clue to go to Obermaiselstein. The
cheese deal looks like a roadblock to me. All pics are of a single team
member that I can tell. So somewhere along the way, they should do the
cheese task in Switzerland to me. I mean we order Swiss cheese, not
Austrian cheese or German cheese….lol…..but that is just a guess. After
completion of roadblock, proceed to Obermaiselstein for detour,
paragliding or pie throwing. After completion of detour, drive to Schloss
Hellbrum in Salzburg for pit stop.
Nov 4, 2008--(Possible moved Pit Stop mat from night before like in Moscow) Teams
leave Salzburg Pit Stop for tasks in Salzburg then make their way to
Bucherest and Translvania arriving early morning of Nov 5th. This comes
from the fact that the lady jogged by the Schloss Hellbrum the next moring
and nothing was happening. All the cars were still parked there and nothing
where the Pit Stop mat had been the night before.
Nov 5, 2008--Teams make their way by trains to Translvania and either tasks or 36 hour
pit stop.
Dr. Rox, I am not attempting to "shoot it down" as I respect your thinking even though I do not agree with all of it. Let's start with the biggest problem area, which is number of legs. We know from Bertram van Munster that there are 12 legs in AR14. He has been known to get things not quite right, but I believe him here. My timeline (see Timelines and Flight Information thread) calls for three total legs in Locarno, Interlaken and Salzburg. Then there is Romania, Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk, somewhere in India, Phuket, an unkown location (leaning toward agreemeent on Thailand but that is irrelevant for the purpose of this analysis), Guilin, Beijing and Hawaii fof a total of 9. 9+4 = 13, which is one too many. There can be only 3 legs in Switzerland, whatever parts of Italy and Germany might be traversed, and Austria or the total get too high.
Your thought that Cheese will be a ROADBLOCK is a good one. Your thought that it should be done in Switzerland (even though you have to steal a ROADBLOCK from the Interlaken are to make room there for such a ROADBLOCK) is even better. It almost for sure is going to be Switzerland, not Obermaiselstein.
I think Obermaiselstein is possible, but not probable. The company there that you have cited for a task could move its plane to either Switzerland or to Salzburg to accomplish the same result.
Your thought that teams will make their wasy to Locarno, arriving mid-afternoon after a flight and train and/or bus combinations, and then go to sleep needs improvement. I think teams will do tasks in Locarno to until there is a "pick a number" board which will be the setup for the following morning at Verzasca Dam, then they will rest. In the morning I see Verzasca Dam and then the end of leg 1 with a TBC so they can keep going and arrive in Interlaken in the early afternoon. In Interlaken teams will do the full range of tasks for leg 2(including cheese) and have a pit stop. For leg 3 the tranportation mode to Salzburg could be car (it's more efficient than I originally thought), train to the plane via Zurich, and even train all the way. I see no big favorite here, but the self-navigation is always fun to watch, so I hope that it is by car. I know that this concept puts a ROADBLOCK into leg 1 but you can't do both Verzasca Dam and cheese in leg 2.
A minor aside is that no respectable train would take the Gotthard Tunnel to go from Locarno to Interlaken. The Simplon tunnel between Domodossola and Brig is the only one that makes sense. The gotthard tunnel route is much longer and takes more time.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 28, 2009, 03:11:45 PM
But I think that the first episode (ie leg 1) will include Los Alamitos through Interlaken, leaving Salzburg as Leg 2.
BVM did say we would have a death defying stunt in Leg 1, I believe, which has to be the bungee.
Post by: puddin on January 28, 2009, 03:12:24 PM
Post by: Snooky on January 28, 2009, 06:56:45 PM
:lol:
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 28, 2009, 08:31:41 PM
Post by: DrRox on January 28, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
Your thought that teams will make their wasy to Locarno, arriving mid-afternoon after a flight and train and/or bus combinations, and then go to sleep needs improvement. I think teams will do tasks in Locarno to until there is a "pick a number" board which will be the setup for the following morning at Verzasca Dam, then they will rest. In the morning I see Verzasca Dam and then the end of leg 1 with a TBC so they can keep going and arrive in Interlaken in the early afternoon. In Interlaken teams will do the full range of tasks for leg 2(including cheese) and have a pit stop. For leg 3 the tranportation mode to Salzburg could be car (it's more efficient than I originally thought), train to the plane via Zurich, and even train all the way. I see no big favorite here, but the self-navigation is always fun to watch, so I hope that it is by car. I know that this concept puts a ROADBLOCK into leg 1 but you can't do both Verzasca Dam and cheese in leg 2.
I don't think I added a leg.
Leg 1) Start in California and end in Interlaken
Leg 2) Start in Interlaken and end in Salzburg
Leg 3) Start in Salzburg and end in Romania
So maybe Leg 1 Roadblock is bungy jump in Locano and Detour is ????? or Cheese in Interlaken, since the cheese run was found there.
We know the teams were split 7/4 on the flights to Europe. In that one vidcap, Margie/Luke appear to be holding a card with the number 8 on it. I think that determines the order the teams get to do the bungy jump the next morning. I also think that it means that they were on the later flight to Europe and the 7 teams from Frankfurt airport had already checked in and got their cards. They certainly could do some tasks in Locarno before arriving at the check in, but, like Peach, I do not think it is a Pit Stop in Locarno. By the time they get to that check in, they have been going for at least 24 hours. So a pre-planned rest period before the HOH task at the dam makes sense to me.
Edited to remove Segway event from first leg. Segway belongs in 2nd leg.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 28, 2009, 09:59:29 PM
Post by: puddin on January 29, 2009, 11:14:32 AM
From the CBS message boards (http://www.cbs.com/forum/posts/list/25532.page), does this work with our Guilin info? plus short men :yess:Quote12/17/2008 19:23:36
Subject: Re:DONT SHOOT ME -TAR 14 has started filming
TARinChina
CBS Community Member
Joined: 12/17/2008
We were in the Guangzhou China airport November 17th around 11pm and saw a team of two caucasian men wearing backpacks running through the airport with a cameraman and producer in tow. They were in the baggage claim area and were in a hurry to find something and stopped at hte information desk to ask directions. The cameraman was working to capture every move. The men were both short and appeared to be related. One had a fanny pack that was visible with red/yellow/back horizontal stripes on it. We went up to them and said "Are you with the Amazing Race?". They said "No", but we are waiting for cast pictures to see if they were telling the truth or not.
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They were both rarther short (5 ft 5 or less my guess) with brownish red hair. They looked like they were related. I think at least one of them wore glasses. They were "thick" build but not fat. They were wearing shorts and tshirts and both had on back packs. They were very much in a hurry and looked stressed. There was a camera man that was filming their every move and a person carrying a microphone that was stuck in front of their faces as well. Hope that helps
Just a follow up fwiw, after looking at the cast photos, TARinChina answers ...
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It very well could have been Mark and Michael.
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 29, 2009, 12:47:56 PM
Post by: scuzneck on January 29, 2009, 01:27:51 PM
Olympic-sized challenge that leaves Teams gasping for air shouts swimming challenge to me, hopefully at the Olympic pool site: the "Water Cube".
Maybe as a possible task, teams have to swim and complete all eight Olympic races that Phelps won gold in.
That would be an Olympic-sized task -- and one that would leave teams gasping for air -- literally!
Belle Book
Considering how many competitive swimmers would struggle to complete a long coures 400 IM or 200 fly, my guess for a swimming-based task would be some short relay like they did with the kids running in Arfica in TAR 6, or else something like doing 800 meters of freestyle, which is far more doable for a casual swimmer if they take their time and rest on the walls or lane lines as needed. That one could not only really separate out the field because ability levels can vary so much, but you can also make the other racer hold the lap cards and that makes for a fun visual.
Could this quite possibly be a dreaded INTERSECTION, as well...The two teams pair up and have to swim a 400M freestyle relay. Each member only has to swim one length of the pool, but you would have to hope that all 4 members of the group were competant swimmers.
something like doing 800 meters of freestyle ---- that is really, even for a good swimmer, a bunch of swimming. In the Beijing pool that would be 16 down and backs ... That is a lot of water to swim...
Post by: gingerman28 on January 29, 2009, 07:31:11 PM
Post by: puddin on January 29, 2009, 09:46:55 PM
Jamie & Cara are on the Segways, their coats even match the Salzburg blurry blog pictures (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg359145.html#msg359145), they are the only ones shown on the Segways just to clear that up.
"Two women were running together. One was hobbling. The other said, "I'm going ahead a bit," and the other countered with, "OK, go ahead." Off into the park they went, clueless as the day was long."
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14SalzburgPitstopfmChase1-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/untitled.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/monatage/montage/rff-0014.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/monatage/montage/rff-0017.jpg)
Post by: georgiapeach on January 29, 2009, 09:59:53 PM
So did one of them hurt themselves falling on that Segway? :'(
And the cakes have to be JUST before the PitStop, or they would have been cleaned up before the source saw them, right?
Post by: puddin on January 29, 2009, 10:33:10 PM
We believe the cakes are also for this leg (2)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/promo1/rff-0043.jpg) Victor and Tammy
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/promo1/rff-0047.jpg) Marge and assumes Luke
then the paragliding as well thanks the Uncle Bill, Slowhatch, DrRox, Chateau..
Ruhpolding, Barvaria
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0027-2.jpg) << not sure who that is but I think its a female (green jacket & jeans)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0033-2.jpg) Mike White is there as well
Post by: Mrs Shrek on January 29, 2009, 10:58:39 PM
Also, I thought the paraglider pilot would be at the top/back like parachuting (they have their hands on the the handles for controlling the wing), which would make the guy in light brown our racer....
Post by: puddin on January 29, 2009, 11:01:28 PM
The asian siblings look like they are first at the cake fight, while Marge and Luke are a lot later (judging by the mess on the floor)You are smart Mrs Shrek! So that is Mel White in the coveralls :jam:
Also, I thought the paraglider pilot would be at the top/back like parachuting (they have their hands on the the handles for controlling the wing), which would make the guy in light brown our racer....
Post by: georgiapeach on January 29, 2009, 11:30:47 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 30, 2009, 12:07:24 AM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 30, 2009, 12:08:49 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 30, 2009, 12:14:06 AM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 30, 2009, 12:21:03 AM
Post by: DrRox on January 30, 2009, 04:12:06 AM
I think the source meant there that they were not going the right (most direct) way to the PitStop....
So did one of them hurt themselves falling on that Segway? :'(
And the cakes have to be JUST before the PitStop, or they would have been cleaned up before the source saw them, right?
^^ thats why I'm wondering if Cara and Jamie switched detours?Quote from Michael's Salzburg blogger:
By the way, the team of two women appeared to have no slime on them whatsoever which would imply they had a choice in a previous activity. A Detour?
I went back and read this guy's blog and correspondence. The first team, young couple, he encounters, the one asking directions, has to be either Preston/Jennifer or Amanda/Kris. He says they are a young couple. And they have slime. He also comments on two other things......"lots of make-up and the woman swore" Well, being from the SOUTH, this just shouts Jennifer to me. The same as Jodi/Chrissy putting on make up for landing in Bucherest, lol Southern women dont do anything without their face on. I know first hand, I used to be married to one. The other thing was the girl "swore." Again, for some reason, and I admit not having seen them in action yet, I think that was Jennifer. Just a hunch. It just doesn't hit me as a California deal, which would be Amanda.
Then at the Schloss, he saw a girl/girl team with dark hair and no slime. That had to be Cara/Jamie. One was hobbling, so looks a little like a segway accident as has been speculated above. No slime = no detour switch.
The last team he saw was an older couple with slime and from the pics it seems to be Brad/Victoria, since they are tall
I too think the "slime" event is real close to the Pit Stop or they would have cleaned up.
Whoever was corresponding with that guy in Salzburg might shoot him an email and ask him what color the team in the car was wearing, the one he gave directions too. or send him the pic of Preston/Jennifer and Amanda/Kris and let him identify them. Either orange or the light blue would be my guess and he might remember that if prompted. Heck, maybe he is reading this and might just post.
GE says it is 23.3 km (16 miles) 25 min. from Schonau am Konigssee, German (segway event) to Schloss Hellbrunn. I would think the torte (cake throwing) event to be in Berchtesgardener Land too. Maybe we can match up that flag in the tent with one of those villages around Berchtesgaden. MsShrek in post 117 in the Promo Screencaps identified a town in Austria wiht a similiar flag, but the colors are reversed. I think we need to find a village in Berchtesgadener Land with red on the right and blue on the left. Again from MsShrek in post 135 in the Promo Screencaps thread, bavarian tents are blue/white striped and Austrian tents are red/white striped.
Post by: Coutzy on January 30, 2009, 04:39:46 AM
Post by: DrRox on January 30, 2009, 06:30:31 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/promo1/rff-0003.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/promo1/rff-0046.jpg)
The Municipality of Berchtesgaden Coat of Arms from Wikipedia.com
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3425/3238920254_985e613de2.jpg?v=0)
In reading this morning about Coats of Arms, I always thought they were always the same. This morning I found out they could be different, as long as they all had the same elememts. Anyway, I think the torte throwing was in Berchtesgaden somwhere. I think the colors match. All of the other coats of arms from Berchtesgadener Land I found were different colors. Maybe after 1st episode, we will get something else to narrow it down.
I have to give credit to MsShrek. I would have never picked up on the banner/flag in the background. Good eyes, Ms Shrek
Post by: apskip on January 30, 2009, 07:34:05 AM
A few comments are in order at this time:
1. The scene of the beergarden is typically German, not Austrian(even though Salzburg in on the border). It's very easy to cross over to Bertechsgaden, maybe 25 miels from Salzburg. I predict that that task will be in Germany.
2. The ballet is quintessentially Russian. I predict we will see it in one of the Siberian cities.
Dr. Rox, I agree with Bertechsgaden and even predicted it as one possibility.
Post by: DrRox on January 30, 2009, 08:25:30 AM
A few comments are in order at this time:
1. The scene of the beergarden is typically German, not Austrian(even though Salzburg in on the border). It's very easy to cross over to Bertechsgaden, maybe 25 miels from Salzburg. I predict that that task will be in Germany.
2. The ballet is quintessentially Russian. I predict we will see it in one of the Siberian cities.
Dr. Rox, I agree with Bertechsgaden and even predicted it as one possibility.
Kudos to you too. I remember the part of the post about the ballet, but I guess I read right past the german part. It might have been my brain thought you meant another place with the misspelling Bertechsgaden.....but I usually don't do that. If all the right letters are there, I usually get the meaning and just attribute it to a typo. I spent the last 11 years marking papers and sure did circle a lot of bad spelling......maybe by brain refuses to do it anymore. Spelling wasn't a big part of what I did, but I would point it out to my students. They hated that. I know I dont spell everything correctly everytime, but I do try to proof read and catch them. I associate correcting other people's spelling on the internet to throwing rocks at glass houses.
Again, kudos for making that observation on Bavaria and not Austria.
Post by: DrRox on January 30, 2009, 09:40:57 AM
It's a good thing I am not in charge, lol, cuz I know exactly where I would plant that tent or at least where I would put the clue box for the detour information.... :bounce ... but then again, all my close friends know how warped I am and all the RFF people haven't learned yet.
Post by: Chateau d If on January 30, 2009, 02:12:51 PM
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/3728782.jpg)
I can't find where they have the big tent on GE.
Post by: Mrs Shrek on January 30, 2009, 02:38:37 PM
I guess the tent doesn't necessarily have to be on their premises though. It could be hired and erected in some remote field, and the Hotel just got to hang their flag there because they provided the beer/band/cakes etc
Post by: georgiapeach on January 30, 2009, 02:45:22 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on January 30, 2009, 02:48:48 PM
I'm assuming the beer drinkers are just background scenery, and not part of a detour if the contestants are going to be self driving from there to the pitstop in Salzburg
Post by: puddin on January 30, 2009, 03:08:32 PM
BG is definitely involved here. The banner in our screen caps belongs to Hoffbrauhaus Berchtesgaden (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3728782) And their website (http://www.berchtesgadener-bier.de/brauerei.html).Good job Chateau :jumpy:! Honestly i was looking for German beer labels and couldn't connect any with the banner then lost interest, thought I was on the wrong track!
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/3728782.jpg)
I can't find where they have the big tent on GE.
Post by: DrRox on January 30, 2009, 03:23:46 PM
(the blue and red stripes in my eyeballs are starting to fade finally!!!)
Post by: georgiapeach on January 30, 2009, 03:34:02 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/monatage/montage/rff-0001.jpg)(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14band-cakes.png)(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14band-cakes2.png)
Post by: puddin on January 30, 2009, 03:38:30 PM
:neener:
Post by: georgiapeach on January 30, 2009, 03:39:34 PM
I would love one for Switzerland and one for Bavaria/Salzburg :please:
Boingo? Neobie? :luvu:
puddin: available for a fee! :neener:
Post by: puddin on January 30, 2009, 03:42:59 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on January 30, 2009, 03:47:00 PM
A map thread sure would be nice *cough*ahem*cough* :neener:
Offers puddin cough lozenge ;D
Post by: georgiapeach on January 30, 2009, 03:47:28 PM
and Christmas is coming too! :funny:
Post by: georgiapeach on January 30, 2009, 03:52:34 PM
Offers puddin a laryngectomy.... :touche:A map thread sure would be nice *cough*ahem*cough* :neener:
Offers puddin cough lozenge ;D
Post by: Mrs Shrek on January 30, 2009, 04:05:46 PM
Offers puddin a laryngectomy.... :touche:A map thread sure would be nice *cough*ahem*cough* :neener:
Offers puddin cough lozenge ;D
offers puddin and peach inflatable sumo wrestling suits, and removes all sharp objects
Post by: puddin on January 30, 2009, 04:06:34 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on January 30, 2009, 04:10:01 PM
Post by: Belle Book on January 30, 2009, 04:14:07 PM
I think the source meant there that they were not going the right (most direct) way to the PitStop....
So did one of them hurt themselves falling on that Segway? :'(
And the cakes have to be JUST before the PitStop, or they would have been cleaned up before the source saw them, right?^^ thats why I'm wondering if Cara and Jamie switched detours?Quote from Michael's Salzburg blogger:
By the way, the team of two women appeared to have no slime on them whatsoever which would imply they had a choice in a previous activity. A Detour?
I went back and read this guy's blog and correspondence. The first team, young couple, he encounters, the one asking directions, has to be either Preston/Jennifer or Amanda/Kris. He says they are a young couple. And they have slime. He also comments on two other things......"lots of make-up and the woman swore" Well, being from the SOUTH, this just shouts Jennifer to me. The same as Jodi/Chrissy putting on make up for landing in Bucherest, lol Southern women dont do anything without their face on. I know first hand, I used to be married to one. The other thing was the girl "swore." Again, for some reason, and I admit not having seen them in action yet, I think that was Jennifer. Just a hunch. It just doesn't hit me as a California deal, which would be Amanda.
Then at the Schloss, he saw a girl/girl team with dark hair and no slime. That had to be Cara/Jamie. One was hobbling, so looks a little like a segway accident as has been speculated above. No slime = no detour switch.
The last team he saw was an older couple with slime and from the pics it seems to be Brad/Victoria, since they are tall
I too think the "slime" event is real close to the Pit Stop or they would have cleaned up.
Whoever was corresponding with that guy in Salzburg might shoot him an email and ask him what color the team in the car was wearing, the one he gave directions too. or send him the pic of Preston/Jennifer and Amanda/Kris and let him identify them. Either orange or the light blue would be my guess and he might remember that if prompted. Heck, maybe he is reading this and might just post.
GE says it is 23.3 km (16 miles) 25 min. from Schonau am Konigssee, German (segway event) to Schloss Hellbrunn. I would think the torte (cake throwing) event to be in Berchtesgardener Land too. Maybe we can match up that flag in the tent with one of those villages around Berchtesgaden. MsShrek in post 117 in the Promo Screencaps identified a town in Austria wiht a similiar flag, but the colors are reversed. I think we need to find a village in Berchtesgadener Land with red on the right and blue on the left. Again from MsShrek in post 135 in the Promo Screencaps thread, bavarian tents are blue/white striped and Austrian tents are red/white striped.
Just out of curiosity -- how did some of them get slime?
Belle Book
Post by: puddin on January 30, 2009, 04:28:30 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 30, 2009, 04:36:46 PM
Post by: puddin on January 30, 2009, 09:37:14 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0027-2.jpg)
that settles that .....
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0006-2.jpg)
Post by: apskip on January 30, 2009, 09:54:45 PM
What peach, no Hoffbrauhaus Berchtesgaden history lesson? :word:
:neener:
Well, if you insist, puddin, I can step in and offer one. I visited Bertechsgaden decades ago and it was (and I am certain still is) one of the most beautiful places on the globe. It is the northern end of the Konigsee. The Bertechsgaden National Park was established in 1978 with the Königssee in its centre.
A second claim to fame is the BERCHTESGADEN SALTMINES where visitors are dressed in miner’s attire and take an underground train into the mine. The tour includes a boat trip across an underground lake.
However it is this third fact which makes Berchtesgaden a unique place. During World War II, Adolf Hitler maintained a residence at Berghof, a complex of buildings which included the Eagle's Nest on Kehlstein Mountain above Bertechsgaden (the area is part of Obersalzburg). He ran the war from there when he was not doing so in Berlin or touring the military fronts; it was referred to as the #2 seat of power in the Third Reich.
Post by: puddin on January 30, 2009, 11:29:31 PM
Interlaken, Matten, Unterseen
The Augustine monastery was founded at the beginning of the12th century and first documented in 1133. It played a decisive role in the development of the ‘Bödeli’ (local name for the flat plain between Lakes Thun & Brienz). From 1224, the Interlaken monastery enjoyed the protection of the ambitious city of Bern and became one of the largest landowners in the region. Its wealth and widespread connections attracted many traders and guests to the establishment. A convent was later affiliated to the monastery and at times housed over 300 nuns.In 1484, financial problems and friction resulted in the abolition of the convent and with the arrival of the Reformation in Bern in 1528, time was also up for the monastery. From then on the building served as the official seat of the provincial governor. In later times, the monastery church was put to another use, serving to store barrels and wagons until it eventually fell to ruin. Today’s Protestant church was built in 1909 on the foundations of the old church nave. At the same time the Catholics built their own House of God immediately next to the Protestant church.
Interlaken, The former Aarmühle
Today’s resort of Interlaken was once known as Aarmühle (Aare Mill). From 1562, the monastery mill that gave the place its name was owned by the provincial bailiwick. In 1708, the four mill wheels at Aarmühle finally ground to a halt. The Mühlekanal (mill canal) is a reminder of this industry from earlier times. In 1891, the local council successfully applied to the government to change the name "Aarmühle" to the commonly used "Interlaken" (between the lakes). The name Interlaken was already being used in geographical maps, travel books, timetables and even advertisements. Permission to change "Aarmühle" to "Interlaken" was granted in December 1891.
Matten
The name Matten can be traced back to a document dated in 1183 where the expression "Interlacus-Madon" was found. Another mention was in 1242 when a blacksmith's shop with tavern was described which is presumed to be todays' Gasthof Hirschen. In historical times the land of Matten was shared by the farming communities of Aarmühle (Interlaken), Wilderswil and Matten. In 1838 Matten and Aarmühle had a falling out which resulted in the founding of the political community of Matten.
Post by: apskip on January 31, 2009, 07:45:06 AM
Post by: password on January 31, 2009, 12:40:34 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 31, 2009, 01:10:33 PM
The CBS press release said they would visit 9 ountries and the second tallest jump, presumably a bungee jump. This is loacted in ZAMBIA which could be the missing country and leg since there is 12 of them.
WTH?? :wall:
:lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
:readtt:
Macau Tower 233 meters
Verzasca 220 meters
Victoria Falls 111 meters
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 31, 2009, 03:00:15 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on January 31, 2009, 03:21:08 PM
But had password read anything at all here, (let alone everything like you do kiwi :kuss:), he would have realized that we have all the countries and the incredible Verzasca bungee well documented here. And not taking the time to even read puddin's beautiful summaries is incredibly rude to all the posters who do.
I feel better now....
:carryon:
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 31, 2009, 03:43:26 PM
Post by: Belle Book on January 31, 2009, 05:49:47 PM
We think the slime wasn't exactly slime afterall, more like cakes.
Ah, so we're dealing with cakes, not really slime. That makes sense. Thanks.
Belle Book
Post by: DrRox on January 31, 2009, 06:02:00 PM
Ms Bell Book......I was just using the word the blogger in Salzburg used. Since the promos have come out, it appears the "slime" is just left over cake parts. I am sorry for the confusion.
Post by: Boingo on January 31, 2009, 06:34:04 PM
In TAR All Stars' the Macau jump wasn't a bungee jump if you remember. It was a descender cable jump. They may have changed it since them. I don't mean to be picky, but that might be why Zambia is listed as 2nd highest bungy jump.
Ms Bell Book......I was just using the word the blogger in Salzburg used. Since the promos have come out, it appears the "slime" is just left over cake parts. I am sorry for the confusion.
ummm... the Macau Tower has two types of "jumps" according to Wikipedia:
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At 233 meters, the Macau Tower's tethered "skyjump" and Bungee jump by world renowned AJ Hackett [1] from the tower's outer rim, is the highest in the world.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 31, 2009, 06:49:22 PM
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The World's Highest Bungy Jump at Macau Tower will take its guests on a free fall at a speed of up to 200km/h for the ultimate extreme journey! Plunging from a platform 233m high, challengers will experience a 4-5 second freefall before stretching the 50 meter bungy cord nearly four times its unloaded length and rebounding at approximately 30 meters above the ground. Using a guide cable system, bungy jumpers will be able to safely experience a few rebounds before slowly landing onto a specially designed airbag.
Lordie, how many
http://www.macautower.com.mo/eng/adventure/adventure_activities.asp
Post by: georgiapeach on January 31, 2009, 07:43:16 PM
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Whoever was corresponding with that guy in Salzburg might shoot him an email and ask him what color the team in the car was wearing, the one he gave directions too. or send him the pic of Preston/Jennifer and Amanda/Kris and let him identify them. Either orange or the light blue would be my guess and he might remember that if prompted--DrRox
I have sent our Salzburg source loads of pics and asked for clarification, so fingers crossed!
Also reviewed my emails from him and noticed this part again, in ref to who we now know is Cara/Jaime, as they enter the schloss hellbrunn grounds on the way to the pitstop:
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The one in the pink dropped her water bottle, which was white. The camera man got the drop and the pick up on film, then they all started off again. They were totally heading the wrong way, convinced that lights on a pond area must be lighting the Pitstop. It took them a good five minutes to figure out where they really needed to be.
He also said they were nowhere near last...
Post by: puddin on January 31, 2009, 09:34:52 PM
puddin, a good historical overview. However, there is one additional thing that Interlaken is noted for (besides being a cute Swiss town with a major railroad connection and lake connections to Thun and Spiez for which the 2 lakes are named). That is the fabled trip to the Jungraujoch, my reason for being there. The train near the top goes through an ice tunnel and there is an ice palace besides an incredible view from above 11,000 feet. I reacted to being the highest (at that point) in my life by nearly passing out, but that is easy enough to avoid if you are expecting altitude sickness.It would be a shame to take the show to Interlaken and not show the ice palace or the Sphinx Observatory on
Jungfraujoch.
Post by: georgiapeach on January 31, 2009, 09:48:27 PM
And you can read more about it here (http://www.jungfraubahn.ch/en/DesktopDefault.aspx/tabid-8/183_read-808/).
Post by: Snooky on January 31, 2009, 09:56:44 PM
:nitenite: :gnite:
Post by: Ashe on January 31, 2009, 10:05:10 PM
That said, I'll begin.
I hope this doesn't make it to air, as Cara & Jaime are my favorite team, and seem like the best bet for a women's team to finally win. This being shown might mean the editors want to make them the "stupid team," and the "stupid team" doesn't win. (Though then again, T.K. & Rachel had a bumper crop of stupid moments, yet still won TAR12.)QuoteThe one in the pink dropped her water bottle, which was white. The camera man got the drop and the pick up on film, then they all started off again. They were totally heading the wrong way, convinced that lights on a pond area must be lighting the Pitstop. It took them a good five minutes to figure out where they really needed to be.
He also said they were nowhere near last...
Post by: puddin on January 31, 2009, 10:27:54 PM
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Provided things are kept very friendly here.
Of course we are friendly, we are the anti-sucks :sucks
Post by: georgiapeach on January 31, 2009, 10:28:29 PM
And we are always friendly! :waves:
Post by: Ashe on January 31, 2009, 10:36:58 PM
:welcome2: to RFF, Ashe! I know you from elsewhere, and am glad you de-lurked.Really? Where? And who?
Post by: georgiapeach on January 31, 2009, 11:16:48 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 01, 2009, 12:16:59 AM
:welcome2: to RFF, Ashe! I know you from elsewhere, and am glad you de-lurked.Really? Where? And who?
Peach sees all and knows all :lol:
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 01, 2009, 12:28:03 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on February 01, 2009, 02:26:54 AM
I heard back from our Salzburg source and he was able to confirm that: italics mine
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The couple he gave directions to in the car: It was actually Amanda and Kris! The women look similar (Jennifer and Amanda), but the guy was definitely Kris. They seemed to be very tanned when I saw them, but it may have been make-up now that I think about it.
Yes, the older man and woman are the ones we saw (she was limping). ...but she does look good for her age. {this was Brad/Victoria}
Yes, the two young redheads are the women who got lost in Hellbrunn park.
The limping makes sense since we know Victoria has had foot surgery...
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 01, 2009, 02:32:02 AM
Presents!! :hearts:
I heard back from our Salzburg source and he was able to confirm that: italics mineQuoteThe couple he gave directions to in the car: It was actually Amanda and Kris! The women look similar (Jennifer and Amanda), but the guy was definitely Kris. They seemed to be very tanned when I saw them, but it may have been make-up now that I think about it.
Yes, the older man and woman are the ones we saw (she was limping). ...but she does look good for her age. {this was Brad/Victoria}
Yes, the two young redheads are the women who got lost in Hellbrunn park.
The limping makes sense since we know Victoria has had foot surgery...
The limping could also be the result of another tumble from the Segway? - B&V didn't have 'slime' on them either did they?
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 01, 2009, 02:37:58 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on February 01, 2009, 02:39:32 AM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 01, 2009, 03:04:45 AM
I guess that what I am saying is that with hip dysplasia and extensive foot surgery, it is possible that she has some degree of a baseline limp. I don't think they were commented on about slime...but it was dark and would have been difficult to tell. But I'll ask! I am not sure that they would have chosen Segways though, unless they already knew how? Seems hip risky to me....
I do agree with your comments. Just throwing the alternatives out there.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 01, 2009, 03:11:01 AM
Post by: DrRox on February 01, 2009, 04:29:56 AM
Thank you for all the work and information, Peach......I wonder, is San Diego now "southern." lol
I would have bet the farm on Jennifer, instead of Amanda. It doesn't suprise me a bit that he couldn't tell the difference between Jennifer/Amanda and used Preston/Kris to differeniate the teams. Right now, I can't tell them apart without their "colors."
I had a relative that had hip displasia when he was very young. Sounds like Victoria had all the same treatment as my relative. My relative, if he has had a very active day, will tend to limp in the evenings from all the activity of the day. I would expect Victoria to show the same from all the exertion
Again thanks for all the work
Post by: Uncle Bill on February 01, 2009, 11:03:27 AM
After looking for blue and white strip tents in Interlaken I have found www.balmers.com They rent tents like the one in the promo and they are called Bike Tents, you can even sleep and stay in some of them. They also have a hostel. The picture of it looks somewhat like the pitstop :duno:anyway just a thought.
remember our super sunday is two weeks from today :jumpy:
Post by: Uncle Bill on February 01, 2009, 11:07:56 AM
Post by: puddin on February 01, 2009, 11:29:21 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on February 01, 2009, 11:36:45 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/promo1/rff-0044.jpg)(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14Balmerstentvillage.png)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/commercial/rff-0004-3.jpg)thumbnail:(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/th_TAR14Balmers.png) (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14Balmers.png)
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The tent is situated between Interlaken and Wilderswil -- 800m from the Balmer's Herberge & Guest House, and has a spectacular view of the mountains of the Jungfrau Region.
I :duno: Uncle Bill, sadly I don't think it is a match....The tents should be in Bavaria too, as puddin says....
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18288.msg372542.html#msg372542
Post by: Ashe on February 01, 2009, 11:42:05 AM
Is that picture of Mel & Mike at the first Pit Stop or the second? I can't be sure.
Post by: puddin on February 01, 2009, 11:46:15 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on February 01, 2009, 11:54:10 AM
The guy gave directions to Amanda & Kris? I'd have thought it was Preston & Jennifer since they do wear orange.
That's a different source that gave us the pic of Jenn/Preston in orange, Ashe...
This comes from the person who gave us this, and no mention of orange... although I have asked again...
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A young man was driving, what I guess was his wife or girlfriend was behind him.
"How do you get to Schloss Hellbrunn?" the man asked me. He and the woman were frazzled, amazingly desperate! And they were covered in what looked like an amazing amount blood, guts, and pumpkin rot. But it all looked fake. Plus they had tons of make-up on.
I explained that they needed to turn back onto the major road they had just left, Alpenstraße, and head straight down until they passed underneath and underpass. Then they should take the very next right which would lead them down a wooded country lane.
By the time I had finished my first sentence, out of the car from the front and back passenger seats raced the camera man and the boom (sound) man, and they were both on me. I was good. Amazingly enough, I didn't look into the camera! I put a foot on my peddle to push off and ride away when the boom man caught my eye. He shook his head quickly as if to say, "Don't race off!"
The camera man turned off his camera and the boom man, an American, explained to the Austrian and me that we had to sign a release or this footage couldn't be used.
While we signed the paperwork, the woman in the backseat swore. They were in an amazing rush! The boom man turned to her and said, "Look, I told you. If you ask people questions, we have to do this. If you don't like it, don't ask for help."
Post by: TKM809 on February 01, 2009, 12:07:45 PM
Post by: puddin on February 01, 2009, 12:11:58 PM
So do we have a bootlist yet? sorry if this being asked alreayNo and we haven't had the so called bootlist since season 11. How I hate the word "bootlist" !! Sorry, I had to rant :carryon:
Post by: Ashe on February 01, 2009, 02:04:17 PM
Yeah, no bootlist, but if I had to speculate, based on the info and evidence known and given, I'd say this:So do we have a bootlist yet? sorry if this being asked alreayNo and we haven't had the so called bootlist since season 11. How I hate the word "bootlist" !! Sorry, I had to rant :carryon:
11th: Steve & Linda
10th: Preston & Jennifer/Mel & Mike
9th: Mel & Mike/Preston & Jennifer
8th: Christie & Jodi/LaKisha & Jennifer/Brad & Victoria
7th: Christie & Jodi/LaKisha & Jennifer/Brad & Victoria
6th: Christie & Jodi/LaKisha & Jennifer/Brad & Victoria
5th: Margie & Luke
4th: Mark & Michael
3rd: Amanda & Kris/Cara & Jaime/Tammy & Victor
2nd: Amanda & Kris/Cara & Jaime/Tammy & Victor
1st: Amanda & Kris/Cara & Jaime/Tammy & Victor
Could be totally different from tenth and up, but that's what I love about speculation. :lol:
Post by: Ashe on February 01, 2009, 02:23:47 PM
EP11: Beijing, China to Hawaii (USA) (Unknown location)Problem is, are they still in the game, or just decoys?
Air Date: MAY 3
Film Date: NOV 21-22
Tasks:
Evidence: Witness at Beijing airport spots Phil flying to Hawaii and “doublemint twins”
Possible Teams: Cara/Jamie
Post by: anon1akacolby on February 01, 2009, 04:31:25 PM
Just an observation....I don't know if it will help much in pinpointing where this picture was taken but there are what appears to be flag poles behind them and in front of the building they are at. I would suspect not many businesses or buildings have flags poles in front of them.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/anon1akacolby/rff-0004-3-flags.jpg)
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 01, 2009, 04:36:11 PM
Post by: puddin on February 01, 2009, 04:36:24 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 01, 2009, 05:46:44 PM
Post by: Belle Book on February 01, 2009, 06:19:04 PM
Oh, was that source who spotted Amanda & Kris someone in Germany, Peach? If so, yeah, the picture of Preston & Jennifer was likely from the first leg, while Germany is on the second.Yeah, no bootlist, but if I had to speculate, based on the info and evidence known and given, I'd say this:So do we have a bootlist yet? sorry if this being asked alreayNo and we haven't had the so called bootlist since season 11. How I hate the word "bootlist" !! Sorry, I had to rant :carryon:
11th: Steve & Linda
10th: Preston & Jennifer/Mel & Mike
9th: Mel & Mike/Preston & Jennifer
8th: Christie & Jodi/LaKisha & Jennifer/Brad & Victoria
7th: Christie & Jodi/LaKisha & Jennifer/Brad & Victoria
6th: Christie & Jodi/LaKisha & Jennifer/Brad & Victoria
5th: Margie & Luke
4th: Mark & Michael
3rd: Amanda & Kris/Cara & Jaime/Tammy & Victor
2nd: Amanda & Kris/Cara & Jaime/Tammy & Victor
1st: Amanda & Kris/Cara & Jaime/Tammy & Victor
Could be totally different from tenth and up, but that's what I love about speculation. :lol:
Here's my speculation on the results:
11th: Linda & Steven
10th: Preston & Jennifer or Amanda & Kris (most likely Preston & Jennifer)
9th: Mel & Mike
8th: Brad & Victoria
7th: Christie & Jodi
6th: LaKisha & Jennifer
5th: Margie & Luke
4th: Amanda & Kris
3rd: Mark & Michael
2nd: Tammy & Victor (strongest team finishes second)
Winners: Cara & Jamie (first all-female winners!)
Belle Book
Post by: Hooky on February 01, 2009, 09:52:46 PM
11: Steve & Linda (no evidence beyond leg one)
10: Amanda & Kris (no evidence beyond leg two)
9: Mel & Mike (guess)
8: LaKisha & Jennifer (guess)
7: Brad & Victoria (guess)
6: Christie & Jodi (guess)
5: Margaret & Luke (guess)
4: Preston & Jennifer (orange was spotted, though not deaf)
3: Mark & Michael :groan:
2: Cara & Jaime :groan:
1: Victor & Tammy (surprise, surprise) :res:
I would rather see Mark & Michael or Cara & Jaime win, so this would just be the fifth disappointing ending in a row if they didn't! :'(
*Crosses fingers already*
Post by: makz3d on February 02, 2009, 01:32:42 PM
I feel that the 4th last and 5th last teams would go together to final city as decoys. Last year it would have been Terrance & Sarah without Toni & Dallas because of what happened with pouch.
I could be totally wrong
eta: I just went and reread the blog and there is mention of 2 teams on the blogger's plane. I couldn't tell if Phil was actually on the same plane. Just that blogger saw Phil waiting for his flight. At the beginning of the blog there's mention of Three Airlines.
I've been reading all of the messages and I still feel mixed up for some things.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 02, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 02, 2009, 01:51:46 PM
11th: Steve and Linda
10th: Preston and Jennifer
9th: Mel and Mike
8th: LaKisha and Jennifer
7th: Christie and Jodi
6th: Brad and Victoria
5th: Margie and Luke
4th: Victor and Tammy
3rd: Amanda and Kris
2nd: Cara and Jamie
1st: Mark and Michael (lives in Maui, Hawaii!!!!)
Post by: Ashe on February 02, 2009, 02:05:07 PM
eta: I just went and reread the blog and there is mention of 2 teams on the blogger's plane. I couldn't tell if Phil was actually on the same plane. Just that blogger saw Phil waiting for his flight. At the beginning of the blog there's mention of Three Airlines.Maybe . . . Cara & Jaime are in the F3, and are one of the first two teams on the first plane (for still-in-the-game teams) out of Beijing, and there's a team in third place stuck on the third of the three flights. Likely the team that's pretty much fallen out of it and will be ultimately finishing in third place. Hey, it's happened every season.
Post by: Belle Book on February 03, 2009, 06:05:09 PM
Ready for mine with spoilers taken into account?
11: Steve & Linda (no evidence beyond leg one)
10: Amanda & Kris (no evidence beyond leg two)
9: Mel & Mike (guess)
8: LaKisha & Jennifer (guess)
7: Brad & Victoria (guess)
6: Christie & Jodi (guess)
5: Margaret & Luke (guess)
4: Preston & Jennifer (orange was spotted, though not deaf)
3: Mark & Michael :groan:
2: Cara & Jaime :groan:
1: Victor & Tammy (surprise, surprise) :res:
I would rather see Mark & Michael or Cara & Jaime win, so this would just be the fifth disappointing ending in a row if they didn't! :'(
*Crosses fingers already*
Hey, I like Asian Americans -- have a soft spot for them, so I'd be thrilled if Tammy & Victor won! But I'd also like to have Cara & Jamie win if only because we've never had an all-female team win and they seem like the most likely all-female team to be in the Final 3. Besides, I like red hair on women.
Belle Book
Post by: Snooky on February 03, 2009, 06:48:02 PM
Ready for mine with spoilers taken into account?
11: Steve & Linda (no evidence beyond leg one)
10: Amanda & Kris (no evidence beyond leg two)
9: Mel & Mike (guess)
8: LaKisha & Jennifer (guess)
7: Brad & Victoria (guess)
6: Christie & Jodi (guess)
5: Margaret & Luke (guess)
4: Preston & Jennifer (orange was spotted, though not deaf)
3: Mark & Michael :groan:
2: Cara & Jaime :groan:
1: Victor & Tammy (surprise, surprise) :res:
I would rather see Mark & Michael or Cara & Jaime win, so this would just be the fifth disappointing ending in a row if they didn't! :'(
*Crosses fingers already*
Hey, I like Asian Americans -- have a soft spot for them, so I'd be thrilled if Tammy & Victor won! But I'd also like to have Cara & Jamie win if only because we've never had an all-female team win and they seem like the most likely all-female team to be in the Final 3. Besides, I like red hair on women.
Belle Book
I agree with most of your placings hooky! I also have a soft spot for the asian siblings! I just don't want them to be similar to Nick and Starr.
Post by: DrRox on February 03, 2009, 07:24:41 PM
Ready for mine with spoilers taken into account?
11: Steve & Linda (no evidence beyond leg one)
10: Amanda & Kris (no evidence beyond leg two)
9: Mel & Mike (guess)
8: LaKisha & Jennifer (guess)
7: Brad & Victoria (guess)
6: Christie & Jodi (guess)
5: Margaret & Luke (guess)
4: Preston & Jennifer (orange was spotted, though not deaf)
3: Mark & Michael :groan:
2: Cara & Jaime :groan:
1: Victor & Tammy (surprise, surprise) :res:
I would rather see Mark & Michael or Cara & Jaime win, so this would just be the fifth disappointing ending in a row if they didn't! :'(
*Crosses fingers already*
Guess you didn't read Peach's post after she got the email from the blogger in Salzburg. He identified Amanda/Kris as no worse then 3rd on that leg. Peach's post is #902 in this thread and your prediction is #925. Well you have time to change your prediction before the race starts.
Post by: Ashe on February 03, 2009, 09:02:50 PM
Yeah, if either young couple goes out early this season, I see it more likely being Preston & Jennifer rather than Amanda & Kris. The latter just looks like they'll be more cooperative than the former, which always helps.Ready for mine with spoilers taken into account?
11: Steve & Linda (no evidence beyond leg one)
10: Amanda & Kris (no evidence beyond leg two)
9: Mel & Mike (guess)
8: LaKisha & Jennifer (guess)
7: Brad & Victoria (guess)
6: Christie & Jodi (guess)
5: Margaret & Luke (guess)
4: Preston & Jennifer (orange was spotted, though not deaf)
3: Mark & Michael :groan:
2: Cara & Jaime :groan:
1: Victor & Tammy (surprise, surprise) :res:
I would rather see Mark & Michael or Cara & Jaime win, so this would just be the fifth disappointing ending in a row if they didn't! :'(
*Crosses fingers already*
Guess you didn't read Peach's post after she got the email from the blogger in Salzburg. He identified Amanda/Kris as no worse then 3rd on that leg.
However, I worry about them having so many fans already before the show has even started (check the CBS site).
As for Tammy & Victor being like Nick & Starr, I don't think that's gonna happen since, you know, Tammy & Victor actually look like they'll be interesting. Nick & Starr started out as interesting, to me, but Nick's constant talking about how great he was for doing things he thought were clever but were really just unnecessary, Starr's constant talking about their "adult" relationship and how great it was, and basically them making the season boring with their repetitive winning pretty much killed all my interest in them.
Then again, I'm probably the only one here on RFF who despised the Spanglers and wishes I could erase them from my mind permanently.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 03, 2009, 09:52:57 PM
Guess you didn't read Peach's post after she got the email from the blogger in Salzburg. He identified Amanda/Kris as no worse then 3rd on that leg. Peach's post is #902 in this thread and your prediction is #925. Well you have time to change your prediction before the race starts.
Here is what I actually said:
Presents!! :hearts:
I heard back from our Salzburg source and he was able to confirm that: italics mineQuoteThe couple he gave directions to in the car: It was actually Amanda and Kris! The women look similar (Jennifer and Amanda), but the guy was definitely Kris. They seemed to be very tanned when I saw them, but it may have been make-up now that I think about it.
Yes, the older man and woman are the ones we saw (she was limping). ...but she does look good for her age. {this was Brad/Victoria}
Yes, the two young redheads are the women who got lost in Hellbrunn park.
The limping makes sense since we know Victoria has had foot surgery...
The source's only words about placement that I recall were that the "girls" (ie Cara and Jaime) were "no where near last". The placement of Amanda/Kris was never discussed, that I can recall, but swearing makes me think they were in quite a hurry...
Post by: Glamazon Racer on February 04, 2009, 12:30:35 AM
Yeah, if either young couple goes out early this season, I see it more likely being Preston & Jennifer rather than Amanda & Kris. The latter just looks like they'll be more cooperative than the former, which always helps.Ready for mine with spoilers taken into account?
11: Steve & Linda (no evidence beyond leg one)
10: Amanda & Kris (no evidence beyond leg two)
9: Mel & Mike (guess)
8: LaKisha & Jennifer (guess)
7: Brad & Victoria (guess)
6: Christie & Jodi (guess)
5: Margaret & Luke (guess)
4: Preston & Jennifer (orange was spotted, though not deaf)
3: Mark & Michael :groan:
2: Cara & Jaime :groan:
1: Victor & Tammy (surprise, surprise) :res:
I would rather see Mark & Michael or Cara & Jaime win, so this would just be the fifth disappointing ending in a row if they didn't! :'(
*Crosses fingers already*
Guess you didn't read Peach's post after she got the email from the blogger in Salzburg. He identified Amanda/Kris as no worse then 3rd on that leg.
However, I worry about them having so many fans already before the show has even started (check the CBS site).
As for Tammy & Victor being like Nick & Starr, I don't think that's gonna happen since, you know, Tammy & Victor actually look like they'll be interesting. Nick & Starr started out as interesting, to me, but Nick's constant talking about how great he was for doing things he thought were clever but were really just unnecessary, Starr's constant talking about their "adult" relationship and how great it was, and basically them making the season boring with their repetitive winning pretty much killed all my interest them.
Then again, I'm probably the only one here on RFF who despised the Spanglers and wishes I could erase them from my mind permanently.
Actually, I wouldn't mind erasing the Spanglers from my mind, and maybe the whole of TAR13 with it. Any team that was interesting in TAR13 was eliminated early, leaving boring teams until the end. However in TAR14, so far, it seems like the opposite effect!
Post by: DrRox on February 04, 2009, 02:26:07 AM
The source's only words about placement that I recall were that the "girls" (ie Cara and Jaime) were "no where near last". The placement of Amanda/Kris was never discussed, that I can recall, but swearing makes me think they were in quite a hurry...
That is true for his latest email. His latest email only "identifies" the team he gave directions to (Amanda/Kris), and the two teams (Cara/Jamie and Brad/Victoria) that he saw arrive when he was at the Schloss.
In his orginal blog, he gave the couple directions to the Schloss, then he went home and got his wife and son. Then they went to the Schloss and when they arrived at the Schloss there were only 3 cars there at that time. So the couple he gave directions to, were one of the first 3 cars there and therefore one of the first 3 teams to check in.
"When we got to Hellbrunn, I noticed not one, but three cars that looked like the one I'd seen earlier. They each had numbers in the back window. The highest number I saw was 11."[/b]
When he and his family left the Schloss, he said there were 5 or 6 cars there.
Post by: north09 on February 04, 2009, 02:11:41 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on February 04, 2009, 02:24:41 PM
In his orginal blog, he gave the couple directions to the Schloss, then he went home and got his wife and son. Then they went to the Schloss and when they arrived at the Schloss there were only 3 cars there at that time. So the couple he gave directions to, were one of the first 3 cars there and therefore one of the first 3 teams to check in.
"When we got to Hellbrunn, I noticed not one, but three cars that looked like the one I'd seen earlier. They each had numbers in the back window. The highest number I saw was 11."
When he and his family left the Schloss, he said there were 5 or 6 cars there.
Oh now I understand what you meant, I think this could be very possible.
Post by: north09 on February 04, 2009, 02:57:44 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on February 04, 2009, 03:09:22 PM
Post by: DrRox on February 04, 2009, 03:32:52 PM
MORE FROM SALZBURG :wohoo:
The driver pulled down the window and asked a young Austrian man for directions. I recognized right away that the driver spoke American English, so being the helpful American I am, I pulled around the front of the car to see if I could help. The Austrian man was fishing for his English vocabulary. Both the front and rear driver's side windows were down. A young man was driving, what I guess was his wife or girlfriend was behind him.
"How do you get to Schloss Hellbrunn?" the man asked me. He and the woman were frazzled, amazingly desperate! And they were covered in what looked like an amazing amount blood, guts, and pumpkin rot. But it all looked fake. Plus they had tons of make-up on. (In an email to Peach, he identified this couple as Amanda/Kris)
I explained that they needed to turn back onto the major road they had just left, Alpenstraße, and head straight down until they passed underneath and underpass. Then they should take the very next right which would lead them down a wooded country lane.(This sounds like 5-10 minutes maximum driving time to me.)
By the time I had finished my first sentence, out of the car from the front and back passenger seats raced the camera man and the boom (sound) man, and they were both on me. I was good. Amazingly enough, I didn't look into the camera! I put a foot on my peddle to push off and ride away when the boom man caught my eye. He shook his head quickly as if to say, "Don't race off!"
The camera man turned off his camera and the boom man, an American, explained to the Austrian and me that we had to sign a release or this footage couldn't be used.
While we signed the paperwork, the woman in the backseat swore. They were in an amazing rush! The boom man turned to her and said, "Look, I told you. If you ask people questions, we have to do this. If you don't like it, don't ask for help."
"What kind of show is this?" I asked.
"A travel show," he replied.
"What channel?" I asked.
"I'm not sure," he said. Amazing, if that were true!
"What's the show called?" I asked.
Then he (sort of) came clean. He said, "I can only tell you that it's a pretty popular one!"
Off into the car they went. I wave and they raced off.
So this was some sort of race! Amazing, I thought, that I was caught in the middle of it.
I swore myself to secrecy--this was big stuff--I couldn't tell people about this! In two minutes I was home and spilling my guts to Jenny. Then one of my students came over 15 minutes later to pick up some soup, and I was telling her before she even sat down.
After my student left, Jenny suggested we head to Hellbrunn (only 5 minutes from our apartment) to see what we could see. There's a huge playground there and we promised Nikolas he could play there a bit (he said 40 minutes, and we said about 10--hey, it was getting dark!).
When we got to Hellbrunn, I noticed not one, but three cars that looked like the one I'd seen earlier. They each had numbers in the back window. The highest number I saw was 11.
Logic tells me that one of those 3 cars belonged to Amanda and Kris, unless they went on a sightseeing tour of Salzburg. The driving instructions were pretty simple, one U-turn and two other turns. I don't get the impression that he was at his home very long, approx 30 min to one hour tops. I think he says it gets dark at 5:30 that time of year and he has enough sun left to take picture safter he gets to the schloss. I don't know who took what numbered car, but the fact that the floor of that tent was clean when Tammy/Victor were doing that task tells me they were first there, so I would speculate that one of the 3 cars was theirs, without knowing any team numbers, or if the car numbers correlated with team numbers
I hope this clears up my logic. That's why I thought it would be a good idea to send him pics of the teams to identify which team he gave directions too. Whoever he gave directions, should be one of the 3 cars at the schloss when he got there with his famiy. As you know from our PMs, Peach, I was very suprised that it wasn't Preston/Jennifer.
Post by: north09 on February 04, 2009, 05:13:32 PM
That would seem to make sense...whose team numbers do we have so far? Since we haven't seen the entry order yet?
Well last time the team numbers corresponded to the cast order at the top of the CBS site. If they did the same thing this year, it would be...
1. Amanda & Kris
2. Brad & Victoria
3. Cara & Jamie
4. Christie & Jodi
5. Preston & Jennifer
6. LaKisha & Jennifer
7. Linda & Steve
8. Margaret & Luke
9. Mark & Michael
10. Mel & Mike
11. Tammy & Victor
So if DrRox is right on the times, it would make sense to me. If this source remembers the highest number he saw, maybe he remembers the other 2.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 04, 2009, 05:17:17 PM
I can try to ask...
Post by: DrRox on February 04, 2009, 05:49:07 PM
Post by: north09 on February 04, 2009, 06:04:17 PM
Post by: Glamazon Racer on February 05, 2009, 12:51:49 AM
11. Steve & Linda
10. Jennifer & Preston
9. Mel & Mike
8. Brad & Victoria
7. Christie & Jodi
6. Lakisha & Jennifer
5. Amanda & Kris
4. Mark & Michael
3. Margaret & Luke
2. Tammy & Victor
1. Cara & Jaime
I hope Margie & Luke shock us all and make the Final Three, although it seems unlikely based on the speculation. Another team I would love to see go far is Lakisha & Jennifer, or even Christie & Jodi, but particularly the former.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 05, 2009, 12:58:35 AM
Post by: Glamazon Racer on February 05, 2009, 01:01:49 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on February 05, 2009, 01:08:22 AM
The problem this season is that based on what we have seen so far, I really LIKE them all, and don't want anyone to go home first... :'( :'( :'(
Post by: DrRox on February 05, 2009, 07:52:51 AM
The problem this season is that based on what we have seen so far, I really LIKE them all, and don't want anyone to go home first... :'( :'( :'(
Ain't that the truth, Peach. As it stands now, I think I am going to be sad with every Philmination.
Post by: DrRox on February 05, 2009, 11:56:11 AM
More from SwissMiss08 in reply to my questions.
From: SwissMiss08
I first approached the plaza piazza sant'antonio around 6pm (it gets dark here around 5:30pm now). It is a little plaza in the old city (citta vecchia) which has some parking spots. I tried to park my car and was waved away. And there was a priest standing in front of the church, outside. They did not appear to have been standing there for long. It looked like they were just getting set up.
I drove past, parked, and walked back past around 6:15. I saw a team, a short woman and a tall man with backpacks, frantically talking to the priest (or perhaps frantically talking to each other near the priest). The woman was the one talking. They may have been middle aged, not sure, I was never very close.
The restaurant I was heading to was closed until 7pm, so I turned around and walked past the church/plaza again, this time only the priest and a few others were standing around. I went down to the Piazza Grande and sat in a bar waiting for the restaurant to open.
Around 7, I was again heading up towards the plaza AGAIN when we were passed by a team heading down the street, towards the vicinity of the Piazza Grande or the castle, we thought. This team was two younger people (early to mid 20s). I think the woman I saw was blond, but not sure. She was definitely pretty and tall - guessing 5'9 or more. The "producer" (ie 4th person in group, not carrying a backpack or camera) stopped her to adjust her shirt or necklace as they walked down the street.
After this second encounter we figured out it was the amazing race, so we walked back to the plaza, yet AGAIN after dinner around 8:45. The plaza was empty, no priest. But all the parking spots were cordoned off. This was not the case previously. So we wondered if more teams were coming, and the "priest" had just gone inside to get warm.
We then walked down to the Piazza Grande and the Castle, but neither of those locations was in use.
6:15 Team = Linda/Steve Cole????
7:00 Team = Jennifer/Preston????
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 05, 2009, 02:04:23 PM
Post by: DrRox on February 05, 2009, 04:30:32 PM
I drove past, parked, and walked back past around 6:15. I saw a team, a short woman and a tall man with backpacks,
7:00 She was definitely pretty and tall - guessing 5'9 or more.
Well, I don't think anyone seeing Brad/Victoria standing next to each other would say she was short and he is tall. They are close to same height. The only couple with really difference in height is Linda/Steve. Linda is 52, older than Victora.
I think somewhere I read that Jennifer is tall, 5'9" tall. I don't think Amanda is anywhere near that tall, but we will see soon.
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 05, 2009, 05:29:09 PM
I drove past, parked, and walked back past around 6:15. I saw a team, a short woman and a tall man with backpacks,
7:00 She was definitely pretty and tall - guessing 5'9 or more.
Well, I don't think anyone seeing Brad/Victoria standing next to each other would say she was short and he is tall. They are close to same height. The only couple with really difference in height is Linda/Steve. Linda is 52, older than Victora.
I think somewhere I read that Jennifer is tall, 5'9" tall. I don't think Amanda is anywhere near that tall, but we will see soon.
What is the height difference between Margie and Luke. They would also fit the description, given that it was in poor light conditions
Post by: north09 on February 05, 2009, 06:19:09 PM
Post by: Belle Book on February 05, 2009, 07:12:22 PM
Belle Book
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 05, 2009, 07:21:01 PM
Post by: puddin on February 06, 2009, 01:31:54 AM
B&T Film GmbH (http://www.bt-film.de/THE-AMAZING-RACE.19c8c.php)
// THE AMAZING RACE Shortly, you will find more information on this website about THE AMAZING RACE, one of the most successful reality TV formats world wide.
Post by: DrRox on February 06, 2009, 01:40:29 AM
I doubt it is Steve and Linda ! I suspect it is Amanda and Kris!
Are Amanda and Kris middle aged?..... The witness described them as, short woman, tall man and middle aged.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 06, 2009, 01:51:27 AM
A fwiw, because we already know they went to Germany.. I think its new? I don't recall running across it before?Nice!
B&T Film GmbH (http://www.bt-film.de/THE-AMAZING-RACE.19c8c.php)
// THE AMAZING RACE Shortly, you will find more information on this website about THE AMAZING RACE, one of the most successful reality TV formats world wide.
We offer the experience of about 100 productions, ranging from a low budget short that makes it to the Cannes official competition, to German movies and the co-production of European feature films, line-production of one of the most successful US reality TV programs worldwide and multiple Emmy winner, to service and line productions for US and UK feature films and Bafta, Golden Globe and Emmy winners.
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 06, 2009, 02:25:22 AM
I doubt it is Steve and Linda ! I suspect it is Amanda and Kris!
Are Amanda and Kris middle aged?..... The witness described them as, short woman, tall man and middle aged.
:lol: They also quoted "It was 6:15pm and I saw a couple short women and tall man heading to.....They looked to be older but I couldn't really tell and I could be wrong"
I think at 6:15 when it is really rather dark they could be mistaken! And I really can't see Steve and Linda ahead of Preston and Jennifer by 45 mins indicating Steve and Linda make the first flight and Preston and Jenn miss the first and make the last!
Post by: Ashe on February 06, 2009, 10:15:09 AM
Nah, I think it's either Steve & Linda or Brad & Victoria. Both Steve and Brad are taller than Linda and Victoria, respectively.I doubt it is Steve and Linda ! I suspect it is Amanda and Kris!
Are Amanda and Kris middle aged?..... The witness described them as, short woman, tall man and middle aged.
Post by: puddin on February 06, 2009, 10:39:16 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/AR14_suitace_final.jpg)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 06, 2009, 12:03:09 PM
Post by: Hooky on February 06, 2009, 05:27:25 PM
Post by: Ashe on February 06, 2009, 05:34:41 PM
That's way better than the postcard! They should put that on the website!Agreed! It's a lot more eye-catching than that last one was! I'll definitely take that over TAR13's postcard!
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 06, 2009, 05:58:04 PM
Post by: Belle Book on February 06, 2009, 06:12:07 PM
Belle Book
Post by: puddin on February 07, 2009, 12:49:26 AM
The Bonnie Hunt (http://www.bonniehunt.com/promos/friday_february_13th_joan_rive.php)
Friday, February 13th - Joan Rivers
Friday, February 13, 2009
Joan Rivers ('Men Are Stupid...'): It's Bonnie's Valentine's Day show and if anyone has an opinion on love you can be sure Joan has some choice words to share. If the title of her new book, 'Men Are Stupid...' is any indication then this should be interesting!
Phil Keoghan ('Amazing Race'): It's Bonnie's favorite reality show and it's back with a whole new cast and new race. The first episode airs this Sunday and Bonnie's pleased to welcome back one of her favorites, host Phil Keoghan, to tell us what's in store for the contestants this time around.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 07, 2009, 01:00:53 AM
:hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
Post by: marigold on February 07, 2009, 01:38:06 AM
:jumpy: Oh yay thats great to hear
Post by: Hooky on February 07, 2009, 03:52:31 PM
11: Steve & Linda (no evidence beyond leg one)
10: Mel & Mike (guess)
9: Amanda & Kris (I just feel an early elimination from them, for some reason) (guess)
8: LaKisha & Jennifer (guess)
7: Brad & Victoria (guess)
6: Christie & Jodi (guess)
5: Margaret & Luke (guess)
4: Preston & Jennifer (orange was spotted)
3: Mark & Michael
2: Cara & Jaime
1: Victor & Tammy
Belle Book, I don't hate asians, but I am just afraid they will be too Nick & Starr-ish, and I also want to wipe the Spanglers from my memory just like you, Ashe.
The car numbers are not usually the same as team numbers, just to clear that up. They are just randomly chosen by the teams.
Also, I have noticed that some numbers seem to have similar teams. If you look at the number 7:
S6: Lori & Bolo
S7: Rob & Amber
S9: Eric & Jeremy
S10: Tyler & James
S11: Rob & Amber
S12: Ari & Staella (never actually saw this tag, just went through the process of elimination to get it)
S13: Nick & Starr
S14: *unknown* (I would guess Tammy & Victor, Amanda & Kris, or Preston & Jennifer)
It seems like the number 7 indicates a tough or imposing team. And 2 is almost always a F/F team. But I don't know. Take it for what it's worth.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 07, 2009, 06:35:12 PM
I am also being told that car #'s should be considered random, darn it! It was a good thought, though!
Post by: Hooky on February 07, 2009, 09:58:44 PM
Preston & Jennifer (orange was spotted): that spoiler was unable to be confirmed, unfortunately, so take it with a grain of salt....
I am also being told that car #'s should be considered random, darn it! It was a good thought, though!
I'll keep the orange spoiler in mind, but I still feel they will make it to that part of the race, so I won't change it.
I have analyzed the numbers long enough to notice that the car numbers are not in any way significant (the first team to get a car doesn't even have to take #1), so that idea can be considered dead.
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 08, 2009, 01:28:18 AM
Post by: Jobby on February 08, 2009, 11:02:55 AM
Post by: gingerman28 on February 08, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
1A Golden Eye
1B On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. The Sound of Music
3. Dracula
4. Doctor Zhivago
5. The Lives of the Bengal Lancers
or
Slumdog Millionaire
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. The Last Emperor
11. Hawaii
Just a coincidence? Who knows
Post by: gingerman28 on February 08, 2009, 12:07:16 PM
TAR to premiere in Romania? IN Romanian...
http://www.cotidianul.ro/amazing_race_a_filmat_in_premiera_in_romania-71475.html
Taken from the spoilers I assume ..
64,000 miles? I think the translator converted 40,000 miles into 64,000 kilometers but still labeled it miles..
Post by: walkingpneumonia on February 08, 2009, 12:34:02 PM
I was just about to suggest the same thing. Movies seem to be connected with most the locations so far:What about the Heidi movies? They were filmed in Switzerland. Isn't there one where Heidi's friend Peter the goatherder carries the cheese from the mountain into the city? Can we dare to hope there might be some yodeling!?!?!?
1A Golden Eye
1B On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. The Sound of Music
3. Dracula
4. Doctor Zhivago
5. The Lives of the Bengal Lancers
or
Slumdog Millionaire
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. The Last Emperor
11. Hawaii
Just a coincidence? Who knows
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 08, 2009, 12:55:49 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 08, 2009, 01:05:46 PM
Instead of cow suits, we could have seen Dallas and co dressed up in a little lime green over the shoulder outfit :-[
Post by: DrRox on February 08, 2009, 01:32:58 PM
The Bridge on the River Kwai" for Thailand
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 08, 2009, 01:37:44 PM
"
The Bridge on the River Kwai" for Thailand
That would be Kanchanaburi rather than Puket and Bangkok though wouldn't it?
Post by: Hooky on February 08, 2009, 02:23:14 PM
Post by: Ashe on February 08, 2009, 03:41:44 PM
Belle Book, I don't hate asians, but I am just afraid they will be too Nick & Starr-ish, and I also want to wipe the Spanglers from my memory just like you, Ashe.Disliked them for the same reasons as I did, I wager, Hooky?
Post by: Belle Book on February 08, 2009, 03:44:45 PM
Belle Book
Post by: Ashe on February 08, 2009, 03:49:09 PM
reposting these here so they don't get buriedGee, I hope they didn't inadvertently give away the F3 by so far having them be the only three teams with their own promos.
The Amazing Race 14 Mike & Mel White Promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mTMu-dy6cs
The Amazing Race 14 Margie & Luke Promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE2eyi3Iq38
The Amazing Race 14 Tammy & Victor promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjik9xMjM-w
Post by: Belle Book on February 08, 2009, 03:53:38 PM
Ready for my list with spoilers taken into account? (Revised!)
11: Steve & Linda (no evidence beyond leg one)
10: Mel & Mike (guess)
9: Amanda & Kris (I just feel an early elimination from them, for some reason) (guess)
8: LaKisha & Jennifer (guess)
7: Brad & Victoria (guess)
6: Christie & Jodi (guess)
5: Margaret & Luke (guess)
4: Preston & Jennifer (orange was spotted)
3: Mark & Michael
2: Cara & Jaime
1: Victor & Tammy
Belle Book, I don't hate asians, but I am just afraid they will be too Nick & Starr-ish, and I also want to wipe the Spanglers from my memory just like you, Ashe.
Ah, I understand. The Spanglers weren't my favorite team either.
Belle Book
Post by: Snooky on February 08, 2009, 03:58:27 PM
:lol: :food:
Post by: Ashe on February 08, 2009, 04:09:15 PM
There's still an unknown team in the F4. I just wonder why we don't have much Lakisha and Jennifer news.Right. We already know it's potentially Tammy & Victor, Mark & Michael, and Cara & Jaime, but who could the last one be? Maybe Margie & Luke got by the F5, after all? Maybe Amanda & Kris? But it would be nice to find out it was LaKisha & Jennifer.
Post by: Kogs on February 08, 2009, 04:33:12 PM
I was just about to suggest the same thing. Movies seem to be connected with most the locations so far:
1A Golden Eye
1B On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. The Sound of Music
3. Dracula
4. Doctor Zhivago
5. The Lives of the Bengal Lancers
or
Slumdog Millionaire
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. The Last Emperor
11. Hawaii
Just a coincidence? Who knows
bangkok the man with the golden gun lol if were going bond themes lol
Post by: Hooky on February 08, 2009, 05:25:42 PM
Belle Book, I don't hate asians, but I am just afraid they will be too Nick & Starr-ish, and I also want to wipe the Spanglers from my memory just like you, Ashe.Disliked them for the same reasons as I did, I wager, Hooky?
Yep. Exact same reasons. :lol:
Post by: Coutzy on February 08, 2009, 09:15:56 PM
Dare I say it will "Take the cake?" :funny:
:groan: I'm awful.
Post by: makz3d on February 08, 2009, 09:26:49 PM
read the summaries, makz3d, they are the most helpful, thanks to puddin.
Peach,
I did read the summaries on the first pg. That's where I found the blog that I reread. When I indicated I had been reading all of the messages I should have included summaries too.
Post by: Ashe on February 08, 2009, 09:28:54 PM
Sweet!Belle Book, I don't hate asians, but I am just afraid they will be too Nick & Starr-ish, and I also want to wipe the Spanglers from my memory just like you, Ashe.Disliked them for the same reasons as I did, I wager, Hooky?
Yep. Exact same reasons. :lol:
Oh, and btw, if the teams selected in your signature end up being the actual F5 rather than the generally-speculated one, then it'd be a pretty good one, I'd definitely say.
Post by: apskip on February 08, 2009, 10:18:37 PM
"
The Bridge on the River Kwai" for Thailand
That would be Kanchanaburi rather than Puket and Bangkok though wouldn't it?
Mrs. shrek, it would indeed as Kanchanaburi is 5 km from that bridge(or where the earlier version of it was).
Post by: topaz on February 08, 2009, 10:43:08 PM
I was just about to suggest the same thing. Movies seem to be connected with most the locations so far:imo, these lists could be connected to this season:
1A Golden Eye
1B On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. The Sound of Music
3. Dracula
4. Doctor Zhivago
5. The Lives of the Bengal Lancers
or
Slumdog Millionaire
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. The Last Emperor
11. Hawaii
Just a coincidence? Who knows
Switzerland - Golden Eye
Germany - Munich
Austria - The Sound of Music
Romania - Dracula
Russia - In Russia With Love
India - Ghandi or Slumdog Millionaire
Phuket, Thailand - The Beach
Bangkok, Thailand - Brokedown Palace
China - Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and The Last Emperor
Hawaii - Blue Hawaii
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 08, 2009, 11:12:03 PM
Sweet!
Oh, and btw, if the teams selected in your signature end up being the actual F5 rather than the generally-speculated one, then it'd be a pretty good one, I'd definitely say.
Hey Ashe :waves:
Where is this generally speculated f5 list? I wasn't aware there was one :duno:
I've read a blog where someone thought they saw the cheer leaders going to Hawaii, and there was an unconfirmed sighting of 'a deaf woman' and 'the orange team' in Bangkok which mentioned the little men, but I haven't read of sightings of B/V or A/K later in the race and I don't think there is any confirmed f5 lists, at least here on RFF. :duno:
Post by: Ashe on February 08, 2009, 11:19:13 PM
Post by: puddin on February 08, 2009, 11:32:16 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 08, 2009, 11:44:19 PM
But for most of it I don't think there are any confirmed f5 lists or even any 'generally speculated' ones, and the M/F teams mentioned (A/K, J/P V/B) haven't been 'seen' since about leg 3. That doesn't mean they didn't make it to the final 5, but I didn't think I'd seen any evidence in the spoilers to support them making it that far, apart from a few people recently listing them in their top 5 guesses
Post by: puddin on February 08, 2009, 11:52:55 PM
* based on photo and witness evidence
•Linda & Steve Cole no evidence beyond leg 1
•Jennifer Hopka & Preston McCamy no evidence beyond leg 1
•Mel & Michael White photo evidence in Germany/Salzburg (leg 2)
•LaKisha & Jennifer Hoffman last witnessed in Romania (leg 3)
•Amanda Blackledge & Kris Klicka last witnessed in Romania (leg 3)
•Victoria & Brad Hunt last witnessed in Romania (leg 3)
•Jodi Wincheski & Christie Volkmer last witnessed in Romania (leg 3)
•Mark Michael Munoz last witnessed in Romania (leg 3) & "maybe" China/airport heading to Guilin (leg 10)
•Tamara & Victor Jih last witnessed on a Bangkok to Phuket flight (leg 7)
•Margie & Luke Adams Phuket, photo evidence (leg 7)
•Cara Rosenthal & Jaime Edmondson eyewitness reports spotted in China airport heading to Hawaii (final leg 11)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 09, 2009, 12:07:51 AM
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg360806.html#msg360806
Post by: puddin on February 09, 2009, 12:36:45 AM
and there are also the two "older" men on the Bangkok to Phuket flight:yeah that too, lol
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg360806.html#msg360806
It's all on page 1 of the spoiler summary.
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 09, 2009, 01:32:33 AM
Post by: Ashe on February 09, 2009, 02:07:12 AM
Yeah, everyone has their speculations, and that's cool. I'd put a few of those teams in my f5 guess also.I guess it's also kind of an assumption, considering at least one young, fit couple makes it far each season.
But for most of it I don't think there are any confirmed f5 lists or even any 'generally speculated' ones, and the M/F teams mentioned (A/K, J/P V/B) haven't been 'seen' since about leg 3. That doesn't mean they didn't make it to the final 5, but I didn't think I'd seen any evidence in the spoilers to support them making it that far, apart from a few people recently listing them in their top 5 guesses
Post by: puddin on February 09, 2009, 10:28:50 AM
Wait a minute Phuket is leg 7 I need a recap!!!!!!!!!Phuket could be leg 7 or 8, we shall see? It all depends on what country the double/triple? legs are.
Post by: Ashe on February 09, 2009, 01:52:55 PM
Post by: apskip on February 09, 2009, 02:48:48 PM
Do not take that to the bank just yet. I believe there have to be 4 legs in Europe, so that means if it isn't two in Austria/Germany it will be two in Romania. Once you get to Russia, there is hardly time for more than 2 Russia, 1 India, 2 Thailand, one Guilin and one Beijing before the final leg. Count that out and you get Phuket as the 8th leg. There are different points of view than mine, but those people think AR14 will be a total of 11 legs and I think theyare kidding themselves. We'll see soon enough, probably at the start of the race when Phil summarizes the scope of the race.
Post by: gingerman28 on February 09, 2009, 03:15:35 PM
Ashe:
Do not take that to the bank just yet. I believe there have to be 4 legs in Europe, so that means if it isn't two in Austria/Germany it will be two in Romania. Once you get to Russia, there is hardly time for more than 2 Russia, 1 India, 2 Thailand, one Guilin and one Beijing before the final leg. Count that out and you get Phuket as the 8th leg. There are different points of view than mine, but those people think AR14 will be a total of 11 legs and I think theyare kidding themselves. We'll see soon enough, probably at the start of the race when Phil summarizes the scope of the race.
I think that there may very well be two pit stops in Austria. It would be a shame just to have the pitstop for leg two in Salzburg and then fly via Munich or Vienna to Bucharest the next morning. We seem to have them pretty well set for them to be in Salzburg for a pitstop at the Schloss at the end of leg two, but it seems program wise best for the teams to visit more places around Salzburg before they fly off to Romania and Transylvania.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 09, 2009, 03:30:42 PM
We know from spoilers that the Salzburg PitStop was the evening of Nov 3, and that means release AM of 11/4 (or evening of 11/4 if it is a 18-24 hour Pitstop, which several leg 2's have been).
And then we also see them in Romania by 1245 AM on 11/5, so there isn't time for another leg in Salzburg, I don't believe?
Post by: Hooky on February 09, 2009, 04:58:20 PM
Yeah, everyone has their speculations, and that's cool. I'd put a few of those teams in my f5 guess also.
But for most of it I don't think there are any confirmed f5 lists or even any 'generally speculated' ones, and the M/F teams mentioned (A/K, J/P V/B) haven't been 'seen' since about leg 3. That doesn't mean they didn't make it to the final 5, but I didn't think I'd seen any evidence in the spoilers to support them making it that far, apart from a few people recently listing them in their top 5 guesses
Exactly why I still insist that Preston & Jennifer can easily outlast Amanda & Kris, who just look to me like they're going home earlier.
Post by: Snooky on February 09, 2009, 05:08:00 PM
Yeah, everyone has their speculations, and that's cool. I'd put a few of those teams in my f5 guess also.
But for most of it I don't think there are any confirmed f5 lists or even any 'generally speculated' ones, and the M/F teams mentioned (A/K, J/P V/B) haven't been 'seen' since about leg 3. That doesn't mean they didn't make it to the final 5, but I didn't think I'd seen any evidence in the spoilers to support them making it that far, apart from a few people recently listing them in their top 5 guesses
Exactly why I still insist that Preston & Jennifer can easily outlast Amanda & Kris, who just look to me like they're going home earlier.
yup its all speculation, nothing is a sure thing
* based on photo and witness evidence
•Linda & Steve Cole no evidence beyond leg 1
•Jennifer Hopka & Preston McCamy no evidence beyond leg 1
•Mel & Michael White photo evidence in Germany/Salzburg (leg 2)
•LaKisha & Jennifer Hoffman last witnessed in Romania (leg 3)
•Amanda Blackledge & Kris Klicka last witnessed in Romania (leg 3)
•Victoria & Brad Hunt last witnessed in Romania (leg 3)
•Jodi Wincheski & Christie Volkmer last witnessed in Romania (leg 3)
•Mark Michael Munoz last witnessed in Romania (leg 3) & "maybe" China/airport heading to Guilin (leg 10)
•Tamara & Victor Jih last witnessed on a Bangkok to Phuket flight (leg 7)
•Margie & Luke Adams Phuket, photo evidence (leg 7)
•Cara Rosenthal & Jaime Edmondson eyewitness reports spotted in China airport heading to Hawaii (final leg 11)
Could be, but Amanda & Chris have more evidence of getting farther than Preston and Jennifer.
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 09, 2009, 05:39:13 PM
So often we've seen one of the seemingly 'strong teams' fail early either due to a silly mistake, or the inability to work well together.
In multiple interviews Phil has talked about a production sweepstake they run before the race to pick who is going to win it, and he's been wrong every time.
Apart from the 3 teams who have definitely been seen up to at least leg 7, everyone else has either been eliminated before then, or has just escaped observation. I could see Mike and Mel as being a 'flying under the radar team', who might not be noticed at the airport, but both Amanda/Kris and Jennifer/Preston seem like the sort of teams that would stand out and people would notice straight away.
Dunno. :duno: Guess we'll all know for sure in a couple of months time. :jumpy:
Post by: Snooky on February 09, 2009, 06:19:53 PM
Post by: Snooky on February 09, 2009, 06:38:27 PM
:winner :cheesehead
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 09, 2009, 06:58:39 PM
But the first one we'll see at the finish line will... be phil....and don't forget the 8 already eliminated teams also...unless one of them 'does a dallas' :lol:
Post by: Ashe on February 09, 2009, 08:03:40 PM
So often we've seen one of the seemingly 'strong teams' fail early either due to a silly mistake, or the inability to work well together.Or an inattentive travel agent's silly mistake. (Still bitter about poor Azaria & Hendekea. :()
Post by: Ashe on February 09, 2009, 08:32:40 PM
I have always liked the first few legs of the The amazing Race! Although the second legs have proved to be boring to me. Hopefully this one will prove to be a better one! I hardly even remember some of the second legs of some seasons!Here are the second legs I remember:
TAR1: "You're a fat bitch!" "LEEEENNNNYYYYYYYY!" Kim & Leslie are eliminated.
TAR2: Peggy & Claire's shocked reactions at making it to the Iguazu camp in eighth place out of ten teams when they thought they were last (and would've been were it not for Blake & Paige and Hope & Norm's bus breaking down). Hope & Norm hit the road.
TAR3: Nothing I really remember but Tramel & Talicia being so damn bad with their jetskis, or whatever those were, including them "signing off" after their elimination. So basically, Tramel & Talicia go home.
TAR4: Reichen & Chip rightfully face off with Steve & Josh over the way they screwed Monica & Sheree just to help Steve & Dave. Steve & Dave's street troupe Fast Forward. Masquerade ball Roadblock that leads to the Monica & Sheree/Amanda & Chris footrace. Amanda & Chris lose it and are out of the race.
TAR5: "You gots to go to Uruguay to go to a foam club." "Mine keep having sex!" "You might have to put your hand in the cow's ass." Start of the Chip & Kim/Kami & Karli rivalry. Alison & Donny are off to sequester after going from first to last.
TAR6: Meredith & Maria can't drive stick. Introduction to 6/6 Roadblock rule. Viking games. Meredith & Maria are sent packing.
TAR7: Rob vs. everyone over being a liar. Brian & Greg/Megan & Heidi footrace. Megan & Heidi get booted.
TAR8: Secret Service Roadblock. Battlefield Detour. Renee, Brittney, and especially Denny pile on Brock for Denny's mistake. The Weaver Family snags their first and only leg win. The Rogers Family gets the boot.
TAR9: Stair-climbing, ascender Roadblock that scares Danielle. "I'm gonna slap you, woman!", complete with Phil's hilarious "If looks could kill . . ." eyebrow raise. Lisa & Joni make their exit, and Lisa cries. A lot.
TAR10: Dustin gets dragged by a horse. Dustin & Kandice and Erwin & Godwin's helmet fiasco. Flaming arrow Roadblock, Peter & Sarah's first of two leg wins. Lyn & Karlyn beat out Kellie & Jamie since at least they know how to navigate. Kellie quits the Roadblock after being there for three or four hours. Kellie & Jamie are tossed.
TAR11: Boardroom Roadblock that Dustin and Mary totally blow through. Rob & Amber's booty-shaking dance when they win their second leg in a row. Kevin & Drew's semi-sad, semi-not-so-sad departure.
TAR12: Ronald reveals he's kind of an ass. Hoist It/Hunt It Detour. Ditch-vaulting Roadblock that Jason, Shana, Rachel, and Marianna blow through, while Jennifer, Kynt, Hendekea, Donald, Christina, and Kate (I guess) struggle at it. Ronald gets his hernia. Kate & Pat hit the bricks.
TAR13: Tina allegedly gets the planes switched. Ken kisses Terence. Marisa & Brooke follow Nick & Starr and wind up at log-hauling Detour when they wanted the shipyard one. Kelly & Christy's unnecessary digging and subsequently forgetting to get their taxi to stay at the Roadblock. Ken & Tina's first of three legs wins in a row, this one just barely over Mark & Bill. Aja's hilarious "Aw, hay-ell!" Nick screwing over Andrew at the Roadblock. Anthony & Stephanie take a powder. So . . . basically, the point in the season in which things were still exciting and not too anticlimactic (thanks for that, Nick & Starr).
Post by: puddin on February 09, 2009, 08:46:27 PM
tyia
Post by: DrRox on February 09, 2009, 09:25:10 PM
Do not take that to the bank just yet. I believe there have to be 4 legs in Europe, so that means if it isn't two in Austria/Germany it will be two in Romania. Once you get to Russia, there is hardly time for more than 2 Russia, 1 India, 2 Thailand, one Guilin and one Beijing before the final leg. Count that out and you get Phuket as the 8th leg. There are different points of view than mine, but those people think AR14 will be a total of 11 legs and I think theyare kidding themselves. We'll see soon enough, probably at the start of the race when Phil summarizes the scope of the race.
I certainly agree with apskip. There is a lot of open time out there and no facts as to what they do. They certainly can do an extended pitstop in Salzburg, but it seems early for that to me. Over the years watching TAR, it seems to me that they like to "work" a 5 1/2 day week and then take a "weekend." Sort of like when I went to college and we had 1/2 day of classes on Sat.
We know they got to the pit stop in Salzburg at about dark time on Mon, Nov 3. I can see them doing some tasks around Salzburg for 1/2 day on Tue, Nov 4th, then scurrying to make flights to Bucharest and train ride to Brazov for some tasks, then pit stop around noon, if not sooner, on Wed,Nov 5th. End of Leg 3.
Then a full leg in Romanai from late Wed, Nov 5th, maybe starting around midnight to Thur, Nov 6th. Then 36 hour pitstop with departure to Russia on 8th.
What do I base this on, almost nothing. The only "facts" we have is the comments made in the wedding. The man at the wedding that worked on the crew said they "were in Romania for 3 days and then flew to Russia." That is pretty ambiguous, but I think it could mean they were there the 5th, 6th, 7th and flew to Russia on the 8th. It could also mean they flew to Russia on the 7th. The reported tasks there just dont seem to me, to have to take up 3 days. Thats why I like 1 1/2 days racing and the weekly "weekend 36 hour pitstop." They started on Oct 31 and the Nov 6-7 timeframe is one week after the start.
I will say that I haven't checked with apskips flights/timeline for the activities in Russia yet, to see if they mesh with my ideas. I just haven't gotten there yet. That's next on my agenda. I sure hope we get some more "evidence" when the show starts on Sunday.
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Post by: Jobby on February 10, 2009, 02:34:04 AM
Yes Phil, there's something special about Season 1,3,5,7.. because those were my most favourite seasons and the only times i've got a season pick winning!!
OMG, if TAR 14 felt the same to him... :hearts: :jumpy: :wohoo: :jam: :meow: :sucks
I don't know, I'M SO EXCITED FOR SEASON 14. I kinda felt bored after TAR 8 to TAR 13.. and i hope TAR 14 relight the fire and passion in my heart for TAR once again!
<3 Phil, for hope giving! :D
I bet TAR 14 must be an exciting season then!
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 10, 2009, 02:37:11 AM
Post by: Mister RC on February 10, 2009, 06:21:07 AM
I've been quite the busy person for several months, but nothing has interfered with my Sunday evenings for more than 2 years!
Post by: apskip on February 10, 2009, 07:34:23 AM
I have taken a look at my Timeline for clues on whether an extended pitstop is possible in Salzburg. The earliest drive yourself option would arrive maybe 1pm (due to rental car agency not open until 7am). Getting the first possible flight would get them there at 915am. First trains would get them to Salburg around 3pm. In all cases there is room for either a 24 hour pitstop after Salzburg area tasks and with the flight option there is even room for a 36 hour pitstop.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 10, 2009, 10:03:44 AM
So hold on, with the cars, do the teams pick the car with their team number? Because if they do, that would pit Tammy & Victor as one of the first 3 teams at the Schloss.
I am also being told that car #'s should be considered random, darn it! It was a good thought, though!
I have analyzed the numbers long enough to notice that the car numbers are not in any way significant (the first team to get a car doesn't even have to take #1), so that idea can be considered dead.
I am going to revise this info:
I am being told that the backpack numbers DO correlate to car numbers. (http://www.smileys4msn.com/displaysmiley.php?show=1005)
Howver, it is also possible that the backpack #'s may be random this year and not correlate to the team entry's, so ???
Post by: DrRox on February 10, 2009, 11:06:18 AM
Dr. Rox,
I have taken a look at my Timeline for clues on whether an extended pitstop is possible in Salzburg. The earliest drive yourself option would arrive maybe 1pm (due to rental car agency not open until 7am). Getting the first possible flight would get them there at 915am. First trains would get them to Salburg around 3pm. In all cases there is room for either a 24 hour pitstop after Salzburg area tasks and with the flight option there is even room for a 36 hour pitstop.
I agree with you 100%. An extended pit stop in Salzburg is certainly possible and reasonable. 5 teams had checked into the Schloss Hellbrunn by 6 pm on Nov 3, leaving 5 teams yet to check in. Teams are not seen till right after midnight at 12:45 am clearing customs at the airport in Bucharest on Nov 5. That right there is approximately a 31 hour window. The common team seems to be Cara/Jaime that were observed by the Salzburg blogger getting to Schloss Hellbrunn between 5-6 pm on Nov 3 and comming out of customs in Bucharest at 12:45 am Nov 5. As by your timeline, they have to release those teams from the Pit Stop in Salzburg to be able to make those evening flights to Bucharest from Munich and Frankfurt. The Salzburg blogger's wife saw no activity around Schloss Hellbrunn at 6:30 am. He mentions that she said all the equipment was gone. To me, this means another one of the moving Pit Stop mats, similiar to Moscow. ie, check in at Schloss Hellbrunn and check out after Pit Stop who knows were or when.
Post by: puddin on February 11, 2009, 01:00:43 AM
A fwiw, because we already know they went to Germany.. I think its new? I don't recall running across it before?:groan: The link to TAR is gone now.
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Post by: georgiapeach on February 11, 2009, 01:07:24 AM
Post by: puddin on February 11, 2009, 01:30:34 AM
Post by: DrRox on February 11, 2009, 06:18:50 PM
Btw, GE says it is a 6 hr 3 min drive from Stechelberg to Ruhpolding, Bavaria.
Post by: Snooky on February 11, 2009, 06:25:51 PM
Well, that hotel Alpenhof looks car friendly as does the town of Stechelberg. This gives apskip's and my idea of a driving leg in Ep2 some posibilty. They can start out on leg 2, without being bunched up by train or plane schedules. I was sort of worried about all those mountain villages like Murren that are not car friendly and only accessible by train or cable car, which I would think would bunch them up. Now it looks like they can get in a car and start driving toward Bavaria as soon as released from the Pit Stop. It will be interesting to see if that actually happens.
I really hope so! I love self-driving!
Post by: georgiapeach on February 11, 2009, 06:41:13 PM
Post by: Ashe on February 12, 2009, 08:31:44 AM
If so, I'd find that to be an awesome F4! A women's team, a brother/sister team, and not one, but two parent/child teams being the last four teams standing? I think TAR14 will be made of win if something like that happens!
Post by: TARAsia Fan on February 12, 2009, 10:51:42 AM
Post by: Jobby on February 12, 2009, 12:24:27 PM
That's good speculation, but it doesn't always happen that way. Although for TAR Asia, the teams that get a Sony video camera ad have been in the final three. I think CBS would be a bit more careful.
Henry and Bernie has it too, only after everyone started speculating Sam and Vince will win like Collin and Adrian thanks to the ad. :res:
Post by: michael on February 12, 2009, 01:03:59 PM
I have a new bit of speculation, though I'm not totally going to take it to the bank just yet. Could there be any chance that the four teams with promos -- Tammy & Victor, Mel & Mike, Margie & Luke, and Cara & Jaime -- were given promos because they're going to be the actual F4, and CBS was trying to hint at that?
If so, I'd find that to be an awesome F4! A women's team, a brother/sister team, and not one, but two parent/child teams being the last four teams standing? I think TAR14 will be made of win if something like that happens!
that would be cool if it were true, especially because I like all of those teams :yess:
we'll see soon enough!
I'm so pissed, I have to miss the Survivor premier AND and TAR premier.
Post by: mjriches2005 on February 12, 2009, 02:00:11 PM
Post by: Hooky on February 12, 2009, 04:20:40 PM
So hold on, with the cars, do the teams pick the car with their team number? Because if they do, that would pit Tammy & Victor as one of the first 3 teams at the Schloss.
I am also being told that car #'s should be considered random, darn it! It was a good thought, though!
I have analyzed the numbers long enough to notice that the car numbers are not in any way significant (the first team to get a car doesn't even have to take #1), so that idea can be considered dead.
I am going to revise this info:
I am being told that the backpack numbers DO correlate to car numbers. (http://www.smileys4msn.com/displaysmiley.php?show=1005)
However, it is also possible that the backpack #'s may be random this year and not correlate to the team entry's, so ???
Just to clarify, I KNOW for a fact that in Tar 12 Leg 5 they did NOT have to take the cars with their numbers. Nathan & Jennifer did not take #1, etc. But Aja & Ty did take #4 in Leg 4 (which was their tag #), so I guess the rules could have been changed beginning in TAR 13. But it certainly wasn't that way in TAR's 5-12 (excluding FE which I didn't see).
I'm sure the backpack numbers don't match the website, because the website bios are in ABC order, and the numbers don't appear to put the teams in ABC order ever (although I have yet to find out with TAR 1-4). blahblah
Trust me, you could ask me and I could give you all or most of the numbers of teams in TAR's 6-13 (again excluding FE). TAR ADDICT! :groan: :lol:
Post by: Snooky on February 12, 2009, 05:23:33 PM
So hold on, with the cars, do the teams pick the car with their team number? Because if they do, that would pit Tammy & Victor as one of the first 3 teams at the Schloss.
I am also being told that car #'s should be considered random, darn it! It was a good thought, though!
I have analyzed the numbers long enough to notice that the car numbers are not in any way significant (the first team to get a car doesn't even have to take #1), so that idea can be considered dead.
I am going to revise this info:
I am being told that the backpack numbers DO correlate to car numbers. (http://www.smileys4msn.com/displaysmiley.php?show=1005)
However, it is also possible that the backpack #'s may be random this year and not correlate to the team entry's, so ???
Just to clarify, I KNOW for a fact that in Tar 12 Leg 5 they did NOT have to take the cars with their numbers. Nathan & Jennifer did not take #1, etc. But Aja & Ty did take #4 in Leg 4 (which was their tag #), so I guess the rules could have been changed beginning in TAR 13. But it certainly wasn't that way in TAR's 5-12 (excluding FE which I didn't see).
I'm sure the backpack numbers don't match the website, because the website bios are in ABC order, and the numbers don't appear to put the teams in ABC order ever (although I have yet to find out with TAR 1-4). blahblah
Trust me, you could ask me and I could give you all or most of the numbers of teams in TAR's 6-13 (again excluding FE). TAR ADDICT! :groan: :lol:
Doesn't it seem that team #7 is usually the alpha-team.
Post by: Belle Book on February 12, 2009, 06:49:58 PM
I have a new bit of speculation, though I'm not totally going to take it to the bank just yet. Could there be any chance that the four teams with promos -- Tammy & Victor, Mel & Mike, Margie & Luke, and Cara & Jaime -- were given promos because they're going to be the actual F4, and CBS was trying to hint at that?
If so, I'd find that to be an awesome F4! A women's team, a brother/sister team, and not one, but two parent/child teams being the last four teams standing? I think TAR14 will be made of win if something like that happens!
Possible, but I think at most we'll have just three of the ones who have the promos in the Final 4: Tammy & Victor, Margie & Luke and Cara & Jamie. I think Mel & Mike will be gone before the Final 4. But I would like that Final 4, if it's true.
Belle Book
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 13, 2009, 12:58:04 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on February 13, 2009, 01:54:51 AM
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I don’t see myself as a celebrity, but people recognize Mike all over. Back home, he has paparazzi shooting and asking him questions. When we were going through India, this woman leaned over to us on a bus and said to him, “I like your movie.” I’m a dad, so of course I got a puff of pride. I mean, I don’t see him as an actor or screenwriter, I just see him as my kid. When I see him on the screen, I don’t see the character, I see Mike. Which was really uncomfortable when I saw Chuck & Buck. [Laughs] I was so taken aback.
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Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 13, 2009, 02:04:44 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on February 13, 2009, 02:07:29 AM
Gosh I hope the India thing is true!
Why would Mel lie? :lol:
Post by: puddin on February 13, 2009, 02:16:33 AM
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What’s scarier -- running through a third world country with no money or going on an Equality Ride to Liberty University?
To be surrounded by fundamentalists is much scarier than being surrounded by pygmy warriors or whomever. The fundamentalists are so blind, so dogmatic. I have to have police guards at universities. I had 40 Baptist clergy marching into a classroom demanding they must be heard. They just lose their cool completely.
Post by: apskip on February 13, 2009, 07:13:03 AM
Post by: puddin on February 13, 2009, 03:42:57 PM
Start: Los Alamitos, California, United States
1. Stechelberg, Switzerland
2. Salzburg, Austria
3. Bran, Romania
4. Krasnoyarsk, Russia
5. Novosibirsk, Russia
6. Jaipur, India
7. Phuket, Thailand
8. Bangkok, Thailand
9. Guilin, China
10. Beijing, China
11. Beijing, China
Finish: Maui, Hawaii, United States
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/tar_14_route.jpg)
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 13, 2009, 04:26:09 PM
Note, they do not have Maui listed as a leg so will we have 11 or 12 episodes?
It seems to me that they are numbering pitstops, so Beijing will be the 11th pitstop, and the finale being the 12th leg/episode :duno:
Post by: georgiapeach on February 13, 2009, 04:30:54 PM
Jaipur is nice, but we have been there before in Season 1(elephants up to the fort)...
Two legs in Beijing?? Did we have this? Off to check the Timeline....
Post by: puddin on February 13, 2009, 04:47:38 PM
http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/th_amazingrace.jpg
Post by: Jobby on February 13, 2009, 07:26:31 PM
I hope the cast really make up the loss then.. :( :duno:
Post by: puddin on February 13, 2009, 07:29:36 PM
Okay, i think this is abit disappointing. Why do we have 2 legs in Russia again? And 2 legs in Thailand.. and THREE in China? And we're only going to 3 continents? I can't believe they are entirely leaving out Africa, South America and Australia! And i can't believe they are spending more than 50% of the race in 3rd world countries just to cut down the cost..If you have been keeping up with the spoilers you would not be so disappointed or all that surprised Joab. We knew India but, not where and all the other locations were pretty much spoiled before the map release.
I hope the cast really make up the loss then.. :( :duno:
Post by: TARAsia Fan on February 13, 2009, 08:03:14 PM
Post by: Hooky on February 13, 2009, 08:20:04 PM
When the economy works again...if!
Post by: georgiapeach on February 13, 2009, 08:34:52 PM
So I think it is WAY to early to say that this race isn't amazing because of the route. More miles does not always mean bigger and better or more amazing, in my book. If we go back to the "make your way to" school of TAR and truly do have less airport filler, this could really be one of the most amazing seasons ever!
Post by: apskip on February 13, 2009, 10:32:05 PM
Note, they do not have Maui listed as a leg so will we have 11 or 12 episodes?
Start: Los Alamitos, California, United States
1. Stechelberg, Switzerland
2. Salzburg, Austria
3. Bran, Romania
4. Krasnoyarsk, Russia
5. Novosibirsk, Russia
6. Jaipur, India
7. Phuket, Thailand
8. Bangkok, Thailand
9. Gurlin, China
10. Beijing, China
11. Beijing, China
Finish: Maui, Hawaii, United States
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/tar_14_route.jpg)
So two legs in Beijing subsitutes for the second one I had in Romania. I'm disappointed as it might be a long time before the Amazing Race returns to Romania.
However, overall I disagree with the chorus that is singing the blues due to the geography of AR14. I like it a great deal!
Post by: TARAsia Fan on February 13, 2009, 10:46:04 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 13, 2009, 10:50:50 PM
This particular race is Asia-heavy, but I like that. Some seasons are Euro-centric. It all balances out.Although many say that season 8 was too America-centric ;)
Post by: Neobie on February 14, 2009, 12:34:25 AM
And in cosmetic fixes, Race's route will be updated with Google maps, the show will sport new graphics and a new opening sequence, and the musical score will get a tuneup. "We had a little too many cymbals crashing," van Munster says.
Does he mean too many cymbals crashing in the opening sequence? I only hear two! :lol:
But... could it mean that the Israel theme was exported to Reshet by CBS? That would be interesting! (The Israel theme has 7 cymbal crashes though!)
Post by: spontaneousss on February 14, 2009, 02:48:19 AM
This season's racers are a more diverse lot: The show's 11 teams include Luke Adams, 23, a deaf college graduate from Monument, Colo., who travels with his mom, Margie, 51.
"We had to work a little harder because I can't hear," said Luke in a telephone interview interpreted by his mother, who noted that their choices were limited in some challenges. But "I'm a big fan and I've been watching since Season 1, and I really wanted to be the first deaf person on the show."
Also on the chase for the $1 million prize: a brother/sister team of Chinese-Americans with Harvard law degrees; a pair of former NFL cheerleaders; two flight attendants; diminutive stuntmen brothers; and Mike White, a screenwriter (School of Rock) and actor (Chuck & Buck) who travels with his gay activist dad, Mel.
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it's clearly speculated & rumored that cara/jamie, margie/luke, victor/tammy, michael/mark along with mel/mike to be the final 5 and they are the teams advertised on this article along with all those advertised screencaps for leg 1, makes me really think they might be really the final 5... in addition the flight attendants, christie & jodie are also mentioned on this article, so i hope they do consist of the final 6... hopefully this spec turns out true.. (crossing fingers)
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 14, 2009, 02:56:53 AM
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"Siberia was cold, and I don't care for the cold at all," said Lakisha. "In Romania, the people live such a different life than what I'm used to seeing. It really gives you a greater appreciation for what you have."The last confirmed sighting of this team had been Romania, but I guess this suggests they make it at least 1 or 2 legs further on, in to Siberia
Post by: Jobby on February 14, 2009, 08:17:27 AM
Okay, i think this is abit disappointing. Why do we have 2 legs in Russia again? And 2 legs in Thailand.. and THREE in China? And we're only going to 3 continents? I can't believe they are entirely leaving out Africa, South America and Australia! And i can't believe they are spending more than 50% of the race in 3rd world countries just to cut down the cost..If you have been keeping up with the spoilers you would not be so disappointed or all that surprised Joab. We knew India but, not where and all the other locations were pretty much spoiled before the map release.
I hope the cast really make up the loss then.. :( :duno:
I have been following the spoilers, i'm just really expressing my disappointment as a whole.
Post by: Jobby on February 14, 2009, 08:22:01 AM
Post by: puddin on February 14, 2009, 10:52:48 AM
Good catch Mrs Shrek :tup:Quote"Siberia was cold, and I don't care for the cold at all," said Lakisha. "In Romania, the people live such a different life than what I'm used to seeing. It really gives you a greater appreciation for what you have."The last confirmed sighting of this team had been Romania, but I guess this suggests they make it at least 1 or 2 legs further on, in to Siberia
Post by: Ashe on February 14, 2009, 02:26:51 PM
Great! That means they'll either get bumped off on at least leg four or five, unless they make it farther.Good catch Mrs Shrek :tup:Quote"Siberia was cold, and I don't care for the cold at all," said Lakisha. "In Romania, the people live such a different life than what I'm used to seeing. It really gives you a greater appreciation for what you have."The last confirmed sighting of this team had been Romania, but I guess this suggests they make it at least 1 or 2 legs further on, in to Siberia
This now makes me think things'll go like this:
11th: Steve & Linda (them being so hopelessly lost in that preview makes me think they won't live past the first leg)
10th: Preston & Jennifer
9th: Amanda & Kris
8th: LaKisha & Jennifer
7th: Brad & Victoria
6th: Christie & Jodi/Mel & Mike/Mark & Michael/Margie & Luke
5th: Christie & Jodi/Mel & Mike/Mark & Michael/Margie & Luke
4th: Christie & Jodi/Mel & Mike/Mark & Michael/Margie & Luke
3rd: Christie & Jodi/Mel & Mike/Mark & Michael/Margie & Luke
2nd: Tammy & Victor/Cara & Jaime
1st: Tammy & Victor/Cara & Jaime
I don't know why, but it's just a gut feeling I have that made me put down my speculated top two. They just feel like it to me. I could be wrong, but I'm gonna throw it out there, anyway.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 14, 2009, 03:48:26 PM
Post by: Hooky on February 14, 2009, 05:37:38 PM
Or maybe there really are two legs in Beijing, like Moscow in TAR13. Which means 12 legs!
It's really sort of ridiculous to have 3 legs in one country though. Hoping for expansion next season but it's looking unlikely. I hope the new redesigned intro and other things will be awesome! We'll see.
Post by: Belle Book on February 14, 2009, 05:57:26 PM
Great! That means they'll either get bumped off on at least leg four or five, unless they make it farther.Good catch Mrs Shrek :tup:Quote"Siberia was cold, and I don't care for the cold at all," said Lakisha. "In Romania, the people live such a different life than what I'm used to seeing. It really gives you a greater appreciation for what you have."The last confirmed sighting of this team had been Romania, but I guess this suggests they make it at least 1 or 2 legs further on, in to Siberia
This now makes me think things'll go like this:
11th: Steve & Linda (them being so hopelessly lost in that preview makes me think they won't live past the first leg)
10th: Preston & Jennifer
9th: Amanda & Kris
8th: LaKisha & Jennifer
7th: Brad & Victoria
6th: Christie & Jodi/Mel & Mike/Mark & Michael/Margie & Luke
5th: Christie & Jodi/Mel & Mike/Mark & Michael/Margie & Luke
4th: Christie & Jodi/Mel & Mike/Mark & Michael/Margie & Luke
3rd: Christie & Jodi/Mel & Mike/Mark & Michael/Margie & Luke
2nd: Tammy & Victor/Cara & Jaime
1st: Tammy & Victor/Cara & Jaime
I don't know why, but it's just a gut feeling I have that made me put down my speculated top two. They just feel like it to me. I could be wrong, but I'm gonna throw it out there, anyway.
I pretty much agree with you, and I'm going to go a little farther based on what Spontaneouss suggested:
11. Linda & Steve
10. Jennifer & Preston
9. Amanda & Kris
8. LaKisha & Jennifer
7. Brad & Victoria
6. Christie & Jodi
5. Mel & Mike/Margie & Luke
4. Margie & Luke/Mel & Mike
3. Mark & Michael
2. Tammy & Victor/Cara & Jamie
1. Cara & Jamie/Tammy & Victor
The names I put first are those I suspect will be in the position that I put them in. So if I think that Mel & Mike will be in fifth but I'm not certain, I'm putting their names first followed by Margie & Luke's.
Belle Book
Post by: Neobie on February 14, 2009, 08:34:42 PM
(Thailand has had a very busy year - the races' cumulative curse effect?)
Post by: puddin on February 14, 2009, 08:54:36 PM
The answer to Sukhothai (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9kin_Express_4,_la_route_des_Dragons_(France)#Le_parcours)...I forgot about that picture, thanks Neobie!
(Thailand has had a very busy year - the races' cumulative curse effect?)
Post by: Snooky on February 15, 2009, 08:55:47 AM
Probably means 11 legs. It said the Pit Stop was there twice because the Finish Line is not a Pit Stop, maybe?
Or maybe there really are two legs in Beijing, like Moscow in TAR13. Which means 12 legs!
It's really sort of ridiculous to have 3 legs in one country though. Hoping for expansion next season but it's looking unlikely. I hope the new redesigned intro and other things will be awesome! We'll see.
In the case of 11 legs, they could use it as somewhat as an intermediate destination. But if there are twelve legs than it would probably mean that they would stay in Beijing for 2 legs.
Post by: bag on February 15, 2009, 12:50:34 PM
Post by: cba on February 15, 2009, 03:50:27 PM
And i can't believe they are spending more than 50% of the race in 3rd world countries just to cut down the cost..
That's the price for racing in Switzerland! ;D
Post by: Jobby on February 15, 2009, 09:48:12 PM
And i can't believe they are spending more than 50% of the race in 3rd world countries just to cut down the cost..
That's the price for racing in Switzerland! ;D
Yes, Switzerland must be damn expensive for 11 teams to go. :funny:
Post by: puddin on February 16, 2009, 12:24:31 AM
Post by: Ruth on February 16, 2009, 03:43:57 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on February 16, 2009, 05:44:43 AM
Any racer sightings out of Koh Samui will need to be looked at w/ suspiscion, I guess~!
Post by: eragon on February 16, 2009, 06:18:11 AM
Great! That means they'll either get bumped off on at least leg four or five, unless they make it farther.Good catch Mrs Shrek :tup:Quote"Siberia was cold, and I don't care for the cold at all," said Lakisha. "In Romania, the people live such a different life than what I'm used to seeing. It really gives you a greater appreciation for what you have."The last confirmed sighting of this team had been Romania, but I guess this suggests they make it at least 1 or 2 legs further on, in to Siberia
This now makes me think things'll go like this:
11th: Steve & Linda (them being so hopelessly lost in that preview makes me think they won't live past the first leg)
10th: Preston & Jennifer
9th: Amanda & Kris
8th: LaKisha & Jennifer
7th: Brad & Victoria
6th: Christie & Jodi/Mel & Mike/Mark & Michael/Margie & Luke
5th: Christie & Jodi/Mel & Mike/Mark & Michael/Margie & Luke
4th: Christie & Jodi/Mel & Mike/Mark & Michael/Margie & Luke
3rd: Christie & Jodi/Mel & Mike/Mark & Michael/Margie & Luke
2nd: Tammy & Victor/Cara & Jaime
1st: Tammy & Victor/Cara & Jaime
I don't know why, but it's just a gut feeling I have that made me put down my speculated top two. They just feel like it to me. I could be wrong, but I'm gonna throw it out there, anyway.
I pretty much agree with you, and I'm going to go a little farther based on what Spontaneouss suggested:
11. Linda & Steve
10. Jennifer & Preston
9. Amanda & Kris
8. LaKisha & Jennifer
7. Brad & Victoria
6. Christie & Jodi
5. Mel & Mike/Margie & Luke
4. Margie & Luke/Mel & Mike
3. Mark & Michael
2. Tammy & Victor/Cara & Jamie
1. Cara & Jamie/Tammy & Victor
The names I put first are those I suspect will be in the position that I put them in. So if I think that Mel & Mike will be in fifth but I'm not certain, I'm putting their names first followed by Margie & Luke's.
Belle Book
I agree to you Belle Book for the 1st & 2nd place teams. But here is what I thought.
11 - Preston & Jennifer (after Leg 1)
10 - Linda & Steve
9 - LaKisha & Jennifer
8 - Brad & Victoria
7 - Mel & Mike/Christie & Jodi
6 - Mel & Mike/Christie & Jodi
5 - Margie & Luke
4 - Amanda & Kris/Mark & Michael
3 - Amanda & Kris/Mark & Michael
2 - Tammy & Victor/Cara & Jaime
1 - Tammy & Victor/Cara & Jaime
Post by: puddin on February 16, 2009, 03:37:58 PM
Thailand! That is a surprise! Didn't we have something that said Portugal? ???I don't recall anything about Portugal? and the sightings we have around Thailand, besides Coutzys fake spoiler, look legit as in race mode not decoys or whatever.
Any racer sightings out of Koh Samui will need to be looked at w/ suspiscion, I guess~!
Post by: walkingpneumonia on February 16, 2009, 06:04:16 PM
OK well, I was sent this on facebook,I know we never saw the proof for this spoiler - but maybe what was seen was teams either on their way to sequesterville or on their way from sequesterville to Hawaii? They at least described the teams correctly back before we had much information.
take it for what it's worth ....QuoteI have some information regarding TAR 14, but unfortunately the website won't send me an activation email, so I am passing this info on the only way possible for me at the moment.
One of my mothers friends saw several teams in Thailand and because she is a TAR fan, she recognized them straight away and began talking to them.
One of the teams was the father/son team
One was the young dating team in orange, one of whom was deaf.
The third team was a team of two male dwarfs (possibly the 'two short men')
She spoke with the deaf woman for a long time in the airport, and she whispered 'we're in a race' to her. The deaf woman also said to trip the dwarfs, they aren't nice people.
There were camera men with every team who were being very careful about people taking photos. In spite of this, she said she managed to get several good photos of the teams she saw.
I will send the photos when I can get my hands on them.
If this were true that would mean the F4 is: two short men, father/son, orange auburn couple, and a f/f team ....
I'm not buying it, but i wanted to post it anyways just in case lol.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 16, 2009, 06:12:21 PM
Coutzy says later that the date was a week or two ago, counting back from 11/28. Preston/Jenn were elim'd on 11/2, no way they were seen in mid Nov by anyone. Esp someone who "talked to them a long time" and says she was deaf! :groan:
Bogus through and through.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 16, 2009, 06:14:44 PM
Thailand! That is a surprise! Didn't we have something that said Portugal? ???I don't recall anything about Portugal? and the sightings we have around Thailand, besides Coutzys fake spoiler, look legit as in race mode not decoys or whatever.
Any racer sightings out of Koh Samui will need to be looked at w/ suspiscion, I guess~!
Yes, all of our sightings except for the fake one have been in Bangkok or Phuket, so all legitimate.
But if we were to get a sighting for KOH SAMUI, then we would have to look again.
Post by: puddin on February 16, 2009, 10:47:50 PM
Amanda & Kris were aligned with Preston & Jen who were also aligned with Mike & Mel
No one wants to be aligned with Linda and Steve because they are too slow
Post by: Jobby on February 16, 2009, 11:42:00 PM
fwiw I just sat through the Insider clips and Cara/Jamie Victor/Tammy Marge/Luke have an alliance and it looks like Michael & Mark are in that alliance as well.
Amanda & Kris were aligned with Preston & Jen who were also aligned with Mike & Mel
No one wants to be aligned with Linda and Steve because they are too slow
I'm not complaining a Cara/Jamie Victor/Tammy Marge/Luke alliance. But that's sad nobody wants Linda/Steve, cause underdogs always surprises us!!
Post by: Ashe on February 17, 2009, 01:59:09 AM
Amanda & Kris were aligned with Preston & Jennifer, who were also aligned with Mel & Mike.That makes sense, as the three of their teams were all on the first airport shuttle together when they got to LAX.
Post by: Jobby on February 17, 2009, 03:56:42 AM
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they lived in Sheraton and the pit top was Sun-Moon-Tower- spoiler for Guilin, China leg.
(http://image.photos.nphoto.net/200612/21/05c000516e2cf00ca83d70be2f55302e.jpg)
Also known as 日月塔 in chinese.
Sorry, just looking for a place to store spoilers, been looking for spoilers in chinese.. just in case there is. :funny:
Post by: Jobby on February 17, 2009, 04:24:03 AM
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and a mountain named Di-Tsai was also visited.
Anyway, it's actually called Die Cai Shan (叠彩山).
(http://www.west-meet-east.com/t1g2010a.jpg)
http://www.west-meet-east.com/travelgl.htm#dcs (http://www.west-meet-east.com/travelgl.htm#dcs)
Post by: Jobby on February 17, 2009, 09:25:03 AM
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Leg 5 quote's - "They Did The Double On Us!"
Totally sounds like a Mark and Michael quote to me.
From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/double
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4. To replace an actor in the actor's absence or in a certain scene.
Sounds like a stuntman term, since a stuntman.. is sometimes a double.. to help the actors/actresses perform dangerous stunts that they cannot do.. and Mark and Michael are highly to be the team using the term?
And they.. i'm speculating that they are refering to a team who look really alike each other?? Cara and Jaime?? :duno:
Post by: georgiapeach on February 17, 2009, 09:58:54 AM
Post by: Jobby on February 17, 2009, 10:03:06 AM
I searched so many terms but to no avail!! But i shall not give up.. :(
Post by: Jobby on February 17, 2009, 10:03:35 AM
Post by: Jobby on February 17, 2009, 10:10:55 AM
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知道23日下午接到旅行社的电话，并按要求在当天晚上7点半去到大宇饭店，才知道原来是要做T.A.R.节目制片组的PRODUCER ASSISTANT（P.A.)。那天晚上的JOB就是接机。
23日晚上11点40分左右终于到了两江机场。晚上的郊区真的好冷，而我只有身上的两件薄薄的衣服，明明冷得发抖还不得不死命装做还撑得住。终于在24号凌晨0点30分左右接到了我负责的PRODUCER，J.R..那天晚上回到住的地方已经是凌晨2点多了。
This girl was asked to be the PA of TAR!! She received the PRODUCER on the flight to Guilin on the 23rd, at 11.40pm!! I'm going to read the whole post and translate it!!
Post by: Jobby on February 17, 2009, 10:17:08 AM
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J.R.和SETH是ART DEPARTMENT的，下午回到饭店后，我和NORA就一直在帮忙做道具。确切点来说，NORA一整天都在做道具。后来J.R.说，道具要在晚上9点半前全部运到叠彩山顶并且摆好装饰好，然后我们四个，再加两个桂林方面负责道具的师傅，不得不放弃好好吃饭的想法，赶做道具。8点多的时候，道具还没全部完成，但是也要把完成的那部分运去山顶了。
ON 24TH - She helped this 2 production team workers J.R and Seth and another girl named Nora to make the props needed by the teams. Thus we now know that the teams haven't even arrive in Guilin China on 23rd. And she said the props needed to be done and prepared for the teams before 9.30pm. They weren't done even by 8pm, but the production teams still went on to place what they have done on Die Cai Shan (the mountain) anyway.
Post by: Jobby on February 17, 2009, 10:20:13 AM
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最后做完道具回到住的地方，已经是凌晨4点了。
6点再次出现在饭店。我真是超人，连续工作20个小时，WITH一个小时的睡眠。
去到OFFICE的时候发现有人比我更超人，SETH一个晚上都没睡。
25日THE SHOW正式开拍。而我又在风中度过AWFUL的大半天……
They finished the props at 4am on the 25th. And she ended stating that teams will be in Guilin on 25th November!! :jumpy:
So we got our dates wrong!!
Post by: Jobby on February 17, 2009, 10:23:06 AM
Oh dear, this is sooooo confusing.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 17, 2009, 10:32:44 AM
Is this perhaps the date posted, or are they for sure saying the date they did whatever? If so, may not be for TAR.....
Can you translate it for us :please:
Post by: Jobby on February 17, 2009, 10:38:34 AM
Unless there's something wrong with the blog dates.. OR.. producers told her to mix up the dates if she wants to blog about it so as to throw us off?
Post by: georgiapeach on February 17, 2009, 10:50:14 AM
Not sure why she has the other dates wrong? Are we losing something in translation? ???
Post by: Jobby on February 17, 2009, 10:52:51 AM
If she made the post on the 21st, that fits :jumpy: because we believe teams were in Guilin 18-20. So she is talking about something that already has happened? So that all fits...
Not sure why she has the other dates wrong? Are we losing something in translation? ???
Yes, the blogpost is indeed on the 21st and she recounted EVERYTHING she has done for the past few days, on her job working as a product assistant..
I think she deliberately edited and changed the dates.. because she isn't allowed to reveal the real time and date?
Post by: TARAsia Fan on February 17, 2009, 03:40:05 PM
Post by: DrRox on February 17, 2009, 03:59:42 PM
Post by: Belle Book on February 17, 2009, 06:51:35 PM
fwiw I just sat through the Insider clips and Cara/Jamie Victor/Tammy Marge/Luke have an alliance and it looks like Michael & Mark are in that alliance as well.
Amanda & Kris were aligned with Preston & Jen who were also aligned with Mike & Mel
No one wants to be aligned with Linda and Steve because they are too slow
I'm saddened by the fact that no one wants to be aligned with Linda & Steve but I can see why. As for the other alliances -- it's interesting that four of the presumed Final 5 teams are in an alliance. I wonder if those four are the Final 4?
Belle Book
Post by: georgiapeach on February 18, 2009, 10:59:40 PM
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On the 24th morning, she reached the hotel at 7.30am in the morning and started working. Because filming will begin on the next day, they have to finish all the preparation by today and ensure that nothing goes wrong. She talks about how the foreigners (production team) does not have the habit of taking an afternoon nap and some of them didn't even take their lunch. She worked for the entire day and only ate a few biscuits and felt awful.We were able to make contact but she was unable to tell us more:
kept ourselves busy with making the props. J.R told us that the props must be done by 9.30pm and transported up Die Cai Shan to be prepared and put into place. Then the four of us (Seth, J.R and Nora), together with another 2 masters at making props from Guilin, had to give up the idea of eating a proper meal to rush out the props. At around 8pm, the props were still not done but they had to move them up to the mountain already.
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Hello,
Looks like you guys are big fans of the show!
I'm not very good with dates; usually just remember which day of the week it is. Thinking back, I'm not very sure with the dates, sorry!
... we couldn't know exactly what the activities are.
My guess is that she added a week to the dates, perhaps just looked at a calendar in error?
Anyway, we can tie this in with Neobie's excellent detective work, hopefully he will add his nice summary here! :hearts:
Post by: puddin on February 18, 2009, 11:06:18 PM
Post by: Jobby on February 18, 2009, 11:39:31 PM
Good detective work Joab :jam:
:jam: Nothing compared to what you guys have done. The only thing i confirmed was they did when to the mountain for a task.
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 19, 2009, 01:51:30 AM
Good detective work Joab :jam:
:jam: Nothing compared to what you guys have done. The only thing i confirmed was they did when to the mountain for a task.
Every little bit helps fit the puzzle together :jumpy: :tup:
Post by: Jobby on February 19, 2009, 02:13:43 AM
Post by: Jobby on February 19, 2009, 02:16:16 AM
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呃……好像是15吧，不太记得了，好久咯，而且我一般对日期不是很有概念，只记得星期几，呵呵~
She replied to the tag on the board, indicating that it could have been since the 15th that she was talking about. But it was so long ago and she couldn't remember.
Post by: puddin on February 19, 2009, 10:31:20 AM
I have absolutely no luck with Beijing. I don't think they went to the Olympic Stadium. It would have been a crazy sighting and people would have at least posted it.
Remember CBS/TPTB put this in the "Montage" videos, i don't think we had any sightings though.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/promo1/rff-0004-4.jpg)
Post by: Jobby on February 19, 2009, 10:55:37 AM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on February 19, 2009, 03:35:15 PM
Hmmm, there would be obvious sightings if they did went.. there's too many people in China. I don't think there have been any sightings in Beijing yet right?
It's much easier to spot 22 stressed Americans with film crews running around, than 6-8, so sightings are much more common at the beginning of the race. It is more than possible that they weren't spotted and blogged about, or weren't actually identified as Amazing Race contestants. We definitely know they went to Beijing from the official CBS pitstop map, and press articles have mentioned an Olympic themed task, so I don't doubt they went there - we just haven't got the independent eye witness accounts to get more details of actual tasks.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 19, 2009, 05:04:53 PM
Post by: puddin on February 19, 2009, 05:09:21 PM
Hmmm, there would be obvious sightings if they did went.. there's too many people in China. I don't think there have been any sightings in Beijing yet right?Well in the insider clips teams are sitting around LAX waiting for their flights. People are just walking around them like its not a big deal. Some even borrowed laptops to find the best directions the church in Ticino. Not one reported sighting this time around in LAX.....Whats up with that?
Post by: TARAsia Fan on February 19, 2009, 08:49:11 PM
Post by: puddin on February 19, 2009, 08:51:26 PM
Perhaps the producers swore people to those non-disclosure agreements? :duno: :duno: :meow: :meow: :meow:All those people? Did you watch the insider clip? There are people everywhere. I guess in LA when people are being filmed in an airport its no big deal? to them :meow:
Post by: TARAsia Fan on February 19, 2009, 08:52:16 PM
Post by: puddin on February 20, 2009, 09:55:58 PM
From wikipedia -QuoteLeg 5 quote's - "They Did The Double On Us!"
Totally sounds like a Mark and Michael quote to me.
From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/doubleQuote4. To replace an actor in the actor's absence or in a certain scene.
Sounds like a stuntman term, since a stuntman.. is sometimes a double.. to help the actors/actresses perform dangerous stunts that they cannot do.. and Mark and Michael are highly to be the team using the term?
And they.. i'm speculating that they are refering to a team who look really alike each other?? Cara and Jaime?? :duno:
fwiw, Wiki has pulled those episode titles, I only trust the titles if they come straight from CBS or one on the on-line tvguides.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on February 20, 2009, 11:19:30 PM
Post by: puddin on February 20, 2009, 11:21:19 PM
Yes, the preliminary title of Episode 2 called, "Linda and Steve Get Eliminated" was not official. :lol::lol: your killing me here
Post by: Belle Book on February 21, 2009, 06:21:45 PM
Yes, the preliminary title of Episode 2 called, "Linda and Steve Get Eliminated" was not official. :lol:
:funny: But it would've been true!
Belle Book
Post by: TARAsia Fan on February 21, 2009, 11:02:25 PM
You know you love me. :neener: :neener: :waves: :waves: :waves: :<3 :<3 :luvu: :luvu: :luvu: :luvu:Yes, the preliminary title of Episode 2 called, "Linda and Steve Get Eliminated" was not official. :lol::lol: your killing me here
Post by: Moo on February 22, 2009, 07:49:07 AM
First, I must say, TAR detectives here are so cool! :hearts: :jumpy: The Amazing Race is my favorite reality show (heck, its the only reality show that I religiously watch and follow) and all of you provide such amazing spoilers and information, it makes me so much eager and anticipate the next episodes!
Anyway, I just kinda observed (and rewatched the 1st episode like 4 or 5 times because of its awesomeness), Before the brand new, lavish, techno intro, as teams were leaving Los Alamitos, only 5 teams were featured, Mel/Mike, Tammy/Victor, Margie/Luke, Amanda/Kris, and Cara/Jaime. Could CBS be ACTUALLY spoiling us with our top 5 teams? Base on what I've mostly read, 3 - 4 of these teams were really seen racing "extensively" in Thailand, and in Guilin/Beijing, even taking flights to Hawaii...
So guys, what's your take on these?
Thanks for all those infos, Us fans are really the heart and soul of the show! More power!
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MTAR2: (http://i27.[banned image hosting site].com/2mnm4rd.jpg)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 22, 2009, 08:01:57 AM
We have no sightings of Amanda or Kris after this episode, so we can't comment on their placing.
You can find a full spoiler update here, thanks to puddin's hard work!
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17805.0.html
Post by: Hooky on February 22, 2009, 02:02:28 PM
Post by: Belle Book on February 22, 2009, 02:27:51 PM
Belle Book
Post by: georgiapeach on February 22, 2009, 02:34:38 PM
Post by: puddin on February 22, 2009, 03:01:39 PM
Post by: Belle Book on February 22, 2009, 08:12:01 PM
Belle Book
Post by: puddin on February 22, 2009, 08:44:53 PM
The others must be on an earlier flight to Romania, especially considering what I saw tonight.It makes sense now :tup:
Belle Book
Post by: michael on February 22, 2009, 08:48:28 PM
The others must be on an earlier flight to Romania, especially considering what I saw tonight.It makes sense now :tup:
Belle Book
:lol:
Post by: puddin on February 22, 2009, 09:49:37 PM
shush you :lol:The others must be on an earlier flight to Romania, especially considering what I saw tonight.It makes sense now :tup:
Belle Book
:lol:
Post by: michael on February 23, 2009, 01:06:20 AM
shush you :lol:The others must be on an earlier flight to Romania, especially considering what I saw tonight.It makes sense now :tup:
Belle Book
:lol:
I speculate that I should get back on topic.
:flirt:
Post by: TARAsia Fan on February 23, 2009, 01:28:09 AM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 23, 2009, 01:39:46 AM
Post by: Moo on February 23, 2009, 04:28:22 AM
watch the link as Phil interviews Amanda and Kris, he clearly says something about the yield...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwm9_7Gu6FI
Post by: bag on February 23, 2009, 06:16:47 AM
Post by: Jobby on February 23, 2009, 10:43:14 AM
It could, but I think at this point it's highly unlikely. :\ I don't think they'd suddenly reintroduce the yield after being gone for two seasons.
I will not be surprised. But i guess production team loves the U-TURN more. At least they get to show teams completing a task, rather than just standing there and drawing on other team's photo.
But i won't be surprise if they introduce new concepts into the race this season. And i hope they do too. Maybe a new penalty for NEL, after watching how teams does not get affected much by a Speedbump. But a Speedbump is cool, it shows us more for the country. (Kynt and Vyxsin yoga in TAR 12.. i didn't know indians do YOGA! :D)
Post by: Moo on February 24, 2009, 06:32:29 AM
Just a tad information, while I was re-watching episode 2, A Tammy/Victor confessional stood up my sight, not because of what they have said, rather probably a spoiler, It came in the first half of the race and the location of their confessionals looked like in the final leg/city in Maui. (Its a place outside... Not snowing - Not probably in Romania, as they are wearing the same clothes on the first leg... It doesn't look like Thailand, India or China either... ) When I figure where that clip is, I'll post more information. Thanks!
NEW EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZOpff2V_YE
You can see the image at 3:52 - 3:53 minutes
Post by: eragon on February 24, 2009, 06:34:09 AM
In Romania, Romaniafan has given us Tammy/Victor Jodi/Christie Kisha/Jen Michael/Mark & Cara/Jamie.
which are probably the teams on the 2nd flight??
Post by: hakushu8 on February 24, 2009, 09:23:34 AM
Hi guys, thanks for all the warm welcome! :waves:
Just a tad information, while I was re-watching episode 2, A Tammy/Victor confessional stood up my sight, not because of what they have said, rather probably a spoiler, It came in the first half of the race and the location of their confessionals looked like in the final leg/city in Maui. (Its a place outside... Not snowing - Not probably in Romania, as they are wearing the same clothes on the first leg... It doesn't look like Thailand, India or China either... ) When I figure where that clip is, I'll post more information. Thanks!
NEW EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZOpff2V_YE
You can see the image at 3:52 - 3:53 minutes
Quite frankly, the brownish swaying things look either like tall grass infloresence or bamboo. So you gotta take all those three places into consideration again. Also, talking about "unprogramming decades of blah blah" doesn't equate for a finale confessional, because you can't unprogram at the end (unless you had a very INV edit in the beginning and your story arc just got going in the finale).
Also, since you mentioned that they had their leg 1 clothes, it "may" have been a leg 1 confessional.
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2009, 09:42:51 AM
Here is the shot in question:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14ep2T-Vconfessionalwhere.jpg)
Good eye, Mooyou!
Although my guess would lean towards not-Hawaii as well.
Post by: hakushu8 on February 24, 2009, 10:06:42 AM
Well now those things look like grass, and so I nominate Saccharum spontaneum. :lol:
(http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:hyk7lDiqBF2BSM:http://www.stuartxchange.com/Talahib.jpg)
Wikipedia says it's native to South Asia, so maybe that clip is from India. Hmm... Although my first thought was that the clip occurred in Thailand. Anyways, the grass I mentioned can be found anywhere (we have lots of them here), so India may not be it.
Post by: puddin on February 24, 2009, 10:34:14 AM
Heres Margie and Luke's ....
then the sisters and on and on
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2009, 10:43:43 AM
Post by: Chateau d If on February 24, 2009, 12:18:55 PM
But if you make the mistake of picking the big stem, and bringing it home, you will be cleaning bits of fuzz out of your trunk until it's time to buy a new car. :groan:
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2009, 12:38:24 PM
Post by: Chateau d If on February 24, 2009, 12:40:25 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on February 24, 2009, 01:01:30 PM
Post by: Moo on February 25, 2009, 05:15:40 AM
Hi guys, thanks for all the warm welcome! :waves:
Just a tad information, while I was re-watching episode 2, A Tammy/Victor confessional stood up my sight, not because of what they have said, rather probably a spoiler, It came in the first half of the race and the location of their confessionals looked like in the final leg/city in Maui. (Its a place outside... Not snowing - Not probably in Romania, as they are wearing the same clothes on the first leg... It doesn't look like Thailand, India or China either... ) When I figure where that clip is, I'll post more information. Thanks!
NEW EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZOpff2V_YE
You can see the image at 3:52 - 3:53 minutes
Quite frankly, the brownish swaying things look either like tall grass infloresence or bamboo. So you gotta take all those three places into consideration again. Also, talking about "unprogramming decades of blah blah" doesn't equate for a finale confessional, because you can't unprogram at the end (unless you had a very INV edit in the beginning and your story arc just got going in the finale).
Also, since you mentioned that they had their leg 1 clothes, it "may" have been a leg 1 confessional.
Hi guys, thanks for the comments, At first, It really looks like its been shot in the finale, but again, looking at all the flora, we could really say that it could be pre-race, India or someplace else, With pictures you all have posted too,
Being on the other side of the world where we see American soil <= Television (specifically TAR for me :)), At first would really have thought that it is indeed the Finale, since most of the time, we see teams running to the finish line with their so called "uniforms" during the time they left the starting line, as well as their photos in the website.
I also think that it couldn't have been in Leg 1, because the producers would probably showcase the alps or snow to fit the leg's theme.
It looks to me that it could really be in India (but where? pitstop maybe? Is there somewhere in Jaipur that would look like that?), or completely a pre-race interview - but had it been done a whole lot of times? Inside houses, the studio, pre race you tube videos... Guess we all just have to wait then... thanks a lot! Man, TAR's changing a lot of their ways this season... It seems that we're having a hard time from cover to cover than the past seasons, but makes things more exciting.
Kudos guys!
Post by: puddin on February 25, 2009, 10:40:12 AM
It looks to me that it could really be in, lets say .... Los Angeles, California
Hi guys, thanks for the comments.
It looks to me that it could really be in India (but where? pitstop maybe? Is there somewhere in Jaipur that would look like that?), or completely a pre-race interview -
Post by: Belle Book on February 25, 2009, 04:12:54 PM
Belle Book
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2009, 04:33:57 PM
guys, puddin already showed us this is a PRE-RACE INTERVIEW! Let's move on...
And pssst...the Finale is in Maui, not LA.
Post by: michael on February 26, 2009, 01:20:27 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on February 26, 2009, 02:32:03 AM
Post by: michael on February 26, 2009, 02:37:14 AM
We have no further spoilers for A/K we keep telliing y'all, so no they cannot be speculated to go far based on spoilers.
oh, for some reason I was under the impression that they made it far, my bad!
Post by: Snooky on February 26, 2009, 06:10:43 PM
We have no further spoilers for A/K we keep telliing y'all, so no they cannot be speculated to go far based on spoilers.
oh, for some reason I was under the impression that they made it far, my bad!
Somehow I think Amanda and Kris won't make it that far. Although the other three may make it that far... Who knows, they could have been like Joe and ABill and were a day behind forever. I don't think that the producers would allow that anymore though.
;D :lol:
Post by: georgiapeach on February 26, 2009, 06:37:33 PM
Post by: Ashe on February 26, 2009, 07:12:03 PM
However, Mel & Mike were shown in that intro, so they might make it far, as well.We have no further spoilers for A/K we keep telliing y'all, so no they cannot be speculated to go far based on spoilers.
oh, for some reason I was under the impression that they made it far, my bad!
Somehow I think Amanda and Kris won't make it that far. Although the other three may make it that far... Who knows, they could have been like Joe and ABill and were a day behind forever. I don't think that the producers would allow that anymore though.
;D :lol:
Post by: eragon on February 28, 2009, 12:08:18 AM
(http://i44.[banned image hosting site].com/2urtefd.jpg)
Post by: michael on February 28, 2009, 12:49:02 AM
Post by: puddin on February 28, 2009, 12:51:48 AM
No more bringing that crap here please :angel:
(http://i42.[banned image hosting site].com/o6wk83.jpg)
Post by: michael on February 28, 2009, 12:54:54 AM
Post by: eragon on February 28, 2009, 12:55:50 AM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on February 28, 2009, 01:08:06 AM
Post by: puddin on February 28, 2009, 01:11:46 AM
Just based on the promo that you posted, puddin, the order of finish looks totally wrong for Sunday's leg.Especially since Mike is doing the Roadblock and the FAKE wiki has Mel 2 Mike 1.
Post by: puddin on February 28, 2009, 01:47:49 AM
Post by: michael on February 28, 2009, 01:49:23 AM
^^ You've lost weight Michael! :jam:
please stay on topic puddin!
Post by: Jobby on February 28, 2009, 02:13:14 AM
^^ You've lost weight Michael! :jam:
please stay on topic puddin!
:funny: I really wonder why people are so free to edit the entire leaderboard again and again time after time. :res:
Post by: Ashe on February 28, 2009, 06:03:22 AM
Not to mention Mel & Mike seem way too happy at what seems to be the Pit Stop to be getting eliminated.Just based on the promo that you posted, puddin, the order of finish looks totally wrong for Sunday's leg.Especially since Mike is doing the Roadblock and the FAKE wiki has Mel 2 Mike 1.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on February 28, 2009, 10:14:50 AM
DON'T TRUST WIKI!!!!
:lol: :lol:
Post by: Ruth on March 01, 2009, 12:41:17 PM
Post by: Jobby on March 01, 2009, 10:45:46 PM
I don't really see much of Kisha/Jen, Christie/Jodi and Mark/Michael... or even Amanda/Kris.. unless they are getting a TK/Rachel edit? :duno:
Post by: puddin on March 01, 2009, 11:00:27 PM
Anyway, based on the edit.. that is starting to come out.. it's really quite obvious that producers are trying to focus on the storyline of Tammy/Victor, Margie/Luke and Mel/Mike. And Jaime/Cara's alliance with Margie/Luke is starting to come out as well..I can see the M&M teams in the final 5 along with Cara/Jamie Luke/Marge Tammy/Victor. I don't know where to place Kris and Amanda though .....in my mind anyway.
I don't really see much of Kisha/Jen, Christie/Jodi and Mark/Michael... or even Amanda/Kris.. unless they are getting a TK/Rachel edit? :duno:
Post by: Jobby on March 02, 2009, 01:38:41 AM
Anyway, based on the edit.. that is starting to come out.. it's really quite obvious that producers are trying to focus on the storyline of Tammy/Victor, Margie/Luke and Mel/Mike. And Jaime/Cara's alliance with Margie/Luke is starting to come out as well..I can see the M&M teams in the final 5 along with Cara/Jamie Luke/Marge Tammy/Victor. I don't know where to place Kris and Amanda though .....in my mind anyway.
I don't really see much of Kisha/Jen, Christie/Jodi and Mark/Michael... or even Amanda/Kris.. unless they are getting a TK/Rachel edit? :duno:
Actually the only teams i really see now are Tammy and Victor, Margie and Luke and Mel and Mike. I see Jaime and Cara alot more this episode (the previous 2 episodes was Christie and Jodi).. Mark and Michael are everywhere with little edit.
Kisha and Jen probably are goner. Even with 3rd place finish.. we still don't see much of them. (Mark and Bill Leg 1 TAR13)
I think Jaime and Cara could be really the final 4 along with the 3 teams with the most edit, because they are always in the middle pack yet they get decent screentime, especially this episode. Once Christie and Jodi are no longer the second last team, we hardly saw them this episode.
Post by: Ruth on March 02, 2009, 12:35:17 PM
Post by: michael on March 02, 2009, 12:38:06 PM
Post by: smith on March 02, 2009, 08:59:35 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on March 02, 2009, 09:01:08 PM
Post by: smith on March 02, 2009, 09:03:11 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on March 02, 2009, 09:09:14 PM
Post by: Ashe on March 02, 2009, 09:42:13 PM
I still can't see how Cara/Jaime manage to (possibly) get to the final three...They have been in the bottom half of the teams for the first three legs haven't they? Hopefully they kick it up soon.Chip & Kim were in the bottom the first three legs before kicking it up, too.
Post by: georgiapeach on March 03, 2009, 03:22:33 PM
I spoke to one of the contestants, an asian looking man with his girlfriend.
Nice guy.
Also two older men.
our flight details were:
15/nov
Bangkok- phuket
thai airways
flight TG203- 0730
Yes they did do multiple takes, one funny incident was when we arrived all the teams ran, just to be held up by crowds and customs..that made me laugh.
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.200.html
The two older men have now been confirmed as MEL AND MIKE.
Post by: puddin on March 03, 2009, 04:24:51 PM
Thanks for clearing that up peach, I know you worked hard to get that info :jam:
I spoke to one of the contestants, an asian looking man with his girlfriend.
Nice guy.
Also two older men.
our flight details were:
15/nov
Bangkok- phuket
thai airways
flight TG203- 0730
Yes they did do multiple takes, one funny incident was when we arrived all the teams ran, just to be held up by crowds and customs..that made me laugh.
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.200.html
The two older men have now been confirmed as MEL AND MIKE.
Post by: Belle Book on March 03, 2009, 04:35:49 PM
Belle Book
Post by: DrRox on March 03, 2009, 05:48:15 PM
I spoke to one of the contestants, an asian looking man with his girlfriend.
Nice guy.
Also two older men.
our flight details were:
15/nov
Bangkok- phuket
thai airways
flight TG203- 0730
Yes they did do multiple takes, one funny incident was when we arrived all the teams ran, just to be held up by crowds and customs..that made me laugh.
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.200.html
The two older men have now been confirmed as MEL AND MIKE.
Thanks Peach!!!!!! As usual, you really are a peach!!!!
Post by: georgiapeach on March 03, 2009, 08:18:13 PM
Thanks entirely to a lead from puddin, she and I have been able to definitively confirm the TAR 14 Finale Mat location! :jumpy:
The Finale took place on 11/21 after 11AM at
THE KAHILI GOLF COURSE (http://kahiligolf.com/golf/proto/kahiligolf/course/course.htm)
Kahili is a hillside course on the south slopes of the West Maui Mountains in the Waikapu area, near Maalaea Bay.
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014%20Maps/TAR14ep12finalemapKahili.jpg)
The MAT was located on the 18th green.
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14ep12Finalesite18thhole.jpg)
Panoramio (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/square/9536489.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.panoramio.com/photo/9338986&usg=__v4TpcvvrjAuD9oet1hVsLlJfHwM=&h=60&w=60&sz=4&hl=en&start=40&um=1&tbnid=-NH0SEZL3nOVoM:&tbnh=60&tbnw=60&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkahili%2B18th%2Bhole%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GFRC_enUS311US311%26sa%3DN)
Kahili is a hillside course on the south slopes of the West Maui Mountains in the Waikapu area, near Maalaea Bay.
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014%20Maps/TAR14ep12finalemapKahili.jpg)
The MAT was located on the 18th green.
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/TAR14ep12Finalesite18thhole.jpg)
Panoramio (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/square/9536489.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.panoramio.com/photo/9338986&usg=__v4TpcvvrjAuD9oet1hVsLlJfHwM=&h=60&w=60&sz=4&hl=en&start=40&um=1&tbnid=-NH0SEZL3nOVoM:&tbnh=60&tbnw=60&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkahili%2B18th%2Bhole%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GFRC_enUS311US311%26sa%3DN)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 03, 2009, 08:42:54 PM
Post by: Jobby on March 03, 2009, 08:57:31 PM
Not surprised with Mel and Mike though.. look how well they are doing now! :tup: But that's really an underdog team that none of us would expect to do so well..
Post by: apskip on March 03, 2009, 10:52:21 PM
Post by: TexasLady on March 04, 2009, 11:04:27 AM
Post by: Belle Book on March 04, 2009, 08:20:45 PM
Belle Book
Post by: michael on March 05, 2009, 02:16:52 PM
I can't wait to see the finale :jumpy: :jumpy: :hearts:
Post by: de67ng on March 06, 2009, 12:00:37 PM
I'm starting to think this "asian looking man with his girlfriend" is actually Kris & Amanda. First, Victor looks clearly Asian... you'd describe him as an Asian man, not an Asian-looking man. The person who saw them on the plane also said he/she spoke to this Asian-looking man, but still said his partner was his girlfriend rather than his sister and didn't call her an asian-looking girlfriend.
Kris has dark hair and a baby face and looks like a "nice guy". He could easily be mistaken for being "Asian-looking" by someone who's had a little too much free booze on the plane!
Also, in an article on Sandiego.com, it says that Amanda & Kris traveled 40,000 miles during the competition.
Post by: puddin on March 06, 2009, 12:10:37 PM
The two older men on the Phuket plane have been confirmed as Mel & Mike, but has the "asian looking man with his girlfriend" been confirmed as Victor & Tammy?:lol: I'm sure Kris would find this amusing IF he were to read this.
I'm starting to think this "asian looking man with his girlfriend" is actually Kris & Amanda. First, Victor looks clearly Asian... you'd describe him as an Asian man, not an Asian-looking man. The person who saw them on the plane also said he/she spoke to this Asian-looking man, but still said his partner was his girlfriend rather than his sister and didn't call her an asian-looking girlfriend.
Kris has dark hair and a baby face and looks like a "nice guy". He could easily be mistaken for being "Asian-looking" by someone who's had a little too much free booze on the plane!
Post by: Snooky on March 06, 2009, 12:16:27 PM
The two older men on the Phuket plane have been confirmed as Mel & Mike, but has the "asian looking man with his girlfriend" been confirmed as Victor & Tammy?:lol: I'm sure Kris would find this amusing IF he were to read this.
I'm starting to think this "asian looking man with his girlfriend" is actually Kris & Amanda. First, Victor looks clearly Asian... you'd describe him as an Asian man, not an Asian-looking man. The person who saw them on the plane also said he/she spoke to this Asian-looking man, but still said his partner was his girlfriend rather than his sister and didn't call her an asian-looking girlfriend.
Kris has dark hair and a baby face and looks like a "nice guy". He could easily be mistaken for being "Asian-looking" by someone who's had a little too much free booze on the plane!
We should invite him to the racers corner...
That may be a little hard.
Post by: georgiapeach on March 06, 2009, 12:58:55 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on March 06, 2009, 01:13:26 PM
Yeah. That's reading a bit too much into it. Hell, I'm Asian, but I often get confused for a Swede.The two older men on the Phuket plane have been confirmed as Mel & Mike, but has the "asian looking man with his girlfriend" been confirmed as Victor & Tammy?:lol: I'm sure Kris would find this amusing IF he were to read this.
I'm starting to think this "asian looking man with his girlfriend" is actually Kris & Amanda. First, Victor looks clearly Asian... you'd describe him as an Asian man, not an Asian-looking man. The person who saw them on the plane also said he/she spoke to this Asian-looking man, but still said his partner was his girlfriend rather than his sister and didn't call her an asian-looking girlfriend.
Kris has dark hair and a baby face and looks like a "nice guy". He could easily be mistaken for being "Asian-looking" by someone who's had a little too much free booze on the plane!
Post by: Snooky on March 06, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Yeah. That's reading a bit too much into it. Hell, I'm Asian, but I often get confused for a Swede.The two older men on the Phuket plane have been confirmed as Mel & Mike, but has the "asian looking man with his girlfriend" been confirmed as Victor & Tammy?:lol: I'm sure Kris would find this amusing IF he were to read this.
I'm starting to think this "asian looking man with his girlfriend" is actually Kris & Amanda. First, Victor looks clearly Asian... you'd describe him as an Asian man, not an Asian-looking man. The person who saw them on the plane also said he/she spoke to this Asian-looking man, but still said his partner was his girlfriend rather than his sister and didn't call her an asian-looking girlfriend.
Kris has dark hair and a baby face and looks like a "nice guy". He could easily be mistaken for being "Asian-looking" by someone who's had a little too much free booze on the plane!
Let's just say that if someone IS Asian in this season, then we will suspect it is them and not someone else. We can't just hope. Besides, it is already comfirmed.
Post by: Jobby on March 06, 2009, 09:26:55 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on March 07, 2009, 11:20:15 AM
Post by: gator27 on March 07, 2009, 01:09:30 PM
So Mel & Mike do make it to Bangkok! I thought they might do so.
Belle Book
Further support for Mike & Mel .. the March 13 issue of Entertainment Weekly's What to Watch for March 15 says that they enjoy watching Mel traipse thorugh Russia.
Post by: puddin on March 07, 2009, 01:22:46 PM
Post by: Ashe on March 07, 2009, 01:52:37 PM
But as for being the highest-placing parent/child team ever? Well . . . they'd have to win to beat Ronald & Christina's record. But with Mel's injury, they won't. I still see them going out in fourth.
Post by: puddin on March 07, 2009, 01:58:12 PM
Well, I like Mel & Mike well enough, so it's great hearing they get to Bangkok as well as Phuket. This will officially make them the highest-placing father/son team in TAR history now (although they already guaranteed that by making it through the F9 in the last episode, as TAR3's Dennis & Andrew finished tenth, and TAR4's Steve & Josh finished ninth).We don't know that Mel & Mike make it to the leg in Bangkok as that leg comes after Phuket. They were witnessed flying from Bangkok to Phuket only.
But as for being the highest-placing parent/child team ever? Well . . . they'd have to win to beat Ronald & Christina's record. But with Mel's injury, they won't. I still see them going out in fourth.
Post by: Ashe on March 07, 2009, 02:04:42 PM
From Bangkok to Phuket? Doesn't the former come second on the route?Well, I like Mel & Mike well enough, so it's great hearing they get to Bangkok as well as Phuket. This will officially make them the highest-placing father/son team in TAR history now (although they already guaranteed that by making it through the F9 in the last episode, as TAR3's Dennis & Andrew finished tenth, and TAR4's Steve & Josh finished ninth).We don't know that Mel & Mike make it to the leg in Bangkok as that leg comes after Phuket. They were witnessed flying from Bangkok to Phuket only.
But as for being the highest-placing parent/child team ever? Well . . . they'd have to win to beat Ronald & Christina's record. But with Mel's injury, they won't. I still see them going out in fourth.
Post by: puddin on March 07, 2009, 02:06:25 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on March 07, 2009, 03:01:23 PM
Post by: Belle Book on March 07, 2009, 05:48:39 PM
Belle Book
Post by: ready2rock on March 10, 2009, 09:41:36 AM
Post by: tory on March 10, 2009, 12:01:11 PM
Post by: gator27 on March 10, 2009, 01:08:13 PM
:waves: hi ready rock thank u for the post. r u talking about the last leg caus they end some where i think sibera, is that in inda?? if so the last leg the team u refer too came in second and there was a stage with a lot of danceing ppl on it..but it is only the 4 th leg of the race. i think they finish the race in hawie??
Siberia is part of Russia.
Post by: TexasLady on March 10, 2009, 01:25:13 PM
:welcome3:
Post by: walkingpneumonia on March 10, 2009, 09:09:48 PM
Quote
Alright Guys, We’re At War! (India)we're probably looking at some sort of military themed tasks.
Jaipur is home to the 61st Calvary (a mounted unit) :mechbull: with a polo club attached. They also play polo with camels here apparently.
So maybe some military, horse, camel, polo thing? I personally love any detour that's camel based. :jumpy:
Mostly speculation...
Post by: :jerry: on March 10, 2009, 09:13:19 PM
Also, during my vacation, i was in China, a city called Dalian, and there are flights from Beijing, to Tokyo(http://)butlanding here first, and i was at the airport around Nov.20 2008 and i saw people running, and they had backpacks and a camera crew ..i think... and at first i thought they were people late for their flight, but in fact, they were racers...well adleast i think they are....anyway, they were asian so thats y i thought it was just people hurring to board. I can say they could be Tammy and Victor.
If not, they could be crew of the amazing race china or something.... :neener: the last part was just guessing
Post by: georgiapeach on March 10, 2009, 09:45:13 PM
Post by: Jobby on March 10, 2009, 09:53:29 PM
Post by: DrRox on March 10, 2009, 11:23:02 PM
What does it mean? Heck if I know. But the go getters seem to always be on the first flight and seem to end up going the fartherest. Now before anyone starts pulling out statistics, I just mean this in a very, very general way. As I said at the first, it is just something that floats around in my head every race.
Post by: ready2rock on March 11, 2009, 12:59:08 AM
Post by: Moo on March 11, 2009, 01:37:53 AM
Hey Texas Lady and Tory thanks for ur warm welcome Also wishing u all a happy holi!!! i hope u people know about holi remember tina in green in the last season ok now coming to my point tory i'm not talking about the last episode what i wanna say is that even before the new season went on air back in india they use to show a promo of amazing race where they had clips from previous seasons put together but towards the end i cud see two african ladies in their white jackets running towards phil with teams standing on each sides and cheering them as i mentioned earlier this makes me feel that kisha and jen may definitely be in top 3 unfortunately they have stopped showing that promo now and also the channel's website doesn't feature that video anymore hence i'm not in a position to put forth some concrete proof confirming my info...Anyways once again Happy Holi!!! :jumpy:
Hi ready2rock! Welcome to RFF too! Hehe
I would just like to comment that, could it be from a different season? I cant seem to recall Kisha/Jen wearing white jackets over the course of the race, even in Siberia already (I see them wearing red all the time...), especially the finish line which is in Maui, Hawaii, which we all know is a tropical and warm, humid place, which makes me think that they wouldn't wear jackets either. ;D
Hey guys, what do you think?
But I'm really really rooting for a T/V, C/J, C/J Final Three... :jumpy:
Post by: tory on March 11, 2009, 06:14:12 PM
Post by: Ashe on March 11, 2009, 07:53:05 PM
Also, during my vacation, i was in China, a city called Dalian, and there are flights from Beijing, to Tokyo(http://)butlanding here first, and i was at the airport around Nov.20 2008 and i saw people running, and they had backpacks and a camera crew ..i think... and at first i thought they were people late for their flight, but in fact, they were racers...well adleast i think they are....anyway, they were asian so thats y i thought it was just people hurring to board. I can say they could be Tammy and Victor.Tokyo?
Aha! I've got it! If the race was still going on according to the dates, maybe that explains why only one team other than Jaime & Cara were spotted on their flight out of Beijing. Unless their flight was straight to Maui, maybe the last team took a different flight to a different destination, and the three teams all met up in Tokyo for the final leg of the flight (since lately, the producers seem to want the F3 teams all on as even ground as possible en route to the final city)?
Post by: Jobby on March 11, 2009, 10:40:56 PM
Also, during my vacation, i was in China, a city called Dalian, and there are flights from Beijing, to Tokyo(http://)butlanding here first, and i was at the airport around Nov.20 2008 and i saw people running, and they had backpacks and a camera crew ..i think... and at first i thought they were people late for their flight, but in fact, they were racers...well adleast i think they are....anyway, they were asian so thats y i thought it was just people hurring to board. I can say they could be Tammy and Victor.Tokyo?
Aha! I've got it! If the race was still going on according to the dates, maybe that explains why only one team other than Jaime & Cara were spotted on their flight out of Beijing. Unless their flight was straight to Maui, maybe the last team took a different flight to a different destination, and the three teams all met up in Tokyo for the final leg of the flight (since lately, the producers seem to want the F3 teams all on as even ground as possible en route to the final city)?
. . .
Post by: Neobie on March 11, 2009, 11:12:37 PM
Also, during my vacation, i was in China, a city called Dalian, and there are flights from Beijing, to Tokyo butlanding here first, and i was at the airport around Nov.20 2008 and i saw people running, and they had backpacks and a camera crew ..i think... and at first i thought they were people late for their flight, but in fact, they were racers...well adleast i think they are....anyway, they were asian so thats y i thought it was just people hurring to board. I can say they could be Tammy and Victor.
If not, they could be crew of the amazing race china or something.... :neener: the last part was just guessing
Hi Jerry, and welcome!
Could you give us a rough time of the day (and an exact date, if possible) you were at the airport?
Did you just land or were you preparing to leave?
我是冠军 (the Chinese ripoff) is lame and way too melodramatic. Don't think they do the airport stuff though.
Their Guilin-Hunan finale (http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/jceiYCKWMWQ/) for those interested. (Note how they rip off 24.) *seething hate*
Post by: DavidJunior on March 15, 2009, 01:41:47 AM
Hey Texas Lady and Tory thanks for ur warm welcome Also wishing u all a happy holi!!! i hope u people know about holi remember tina in green in the last season ok now coming to my point tory i'm not talking about the last episode what i wanna say is that even before the new season went on air back in india they use to show a promo of amazing race where they had clips from previous seasons put together but towards the end i cud see two african ladies in their white jackets running towards phil with teams standing on each sides and cheering them as i mentioned earlier this makes me feel that kisha and jen may definitely be in top 3 unfortunately they have stopped showing that promo now and also the channel's website doesn't feature that video anymore hence i'm not in a position to put forth some concrete proof confirming my info...Anyways once again Happy Holi!!! :jumpy:
Hi ready2rock! Welcome to RFF too! Hehe
I would just like to comment that, could it be from a different season? I cant seem to recall Kisha/Jen wearing white jackets over the course of the race, even in Siberia already (I see them wearing red all the time...), especially the finish line which is in Maui, Hawaii, which we all know is a tropical and warm, humid place, which makes me think that they wouldn't wear jackets either. ;D
Hey guys, what do you think?
But I'm really really rooting for a T/V, C/J, C/J Final Three... :jumpy:
I think K/J making it to the end is possible, however very unlikely.
there have been teams that have made it all the way to the end under the radar. (dan and andrew were last spotted in india, yet made it all the way to the finale) K/J could be the same situation to a greater extent (not seen since romania)
and jackets could mean a lot of things, do you think they could be windreakers?
i think it would be pretty cool to have a suprise team make it to the end
Post by: Moo on March 15, 2009, 07:17:30 AM
Hey Texas Lady and Tory thanks for ur warm welcome Also wishing u all a happy holi!!! i hope u people know about holi remember tina in green in the last season ok now coming to my point tory i'm not talking about the last episode what i wanna say is that even before the new season went on air back in india they use to show a promo of amazing race where they had clips from previous seasons put together but towards the end i cud see two african ladies in their white jackets running towards phil with teams standing on each sides and cheering them as i mentioned earlier this makes me feel that kisha and jen may definitely be in top 3 unfortunately they have stopped showing that promo now and also the channel's website doesn't feature that video anymore hence i'm not in a position to put forth some concrete proof confirming my info...Anyways once again Happy Holi!!! :jumpy:
Hi ready2rock! Welcome to RFF too! Hehe
I would just like to comment that, could it be from a different season? I cant seem to recall Kisha/Jen wearing white jackets over the course of the race, even in Siberia already (I see them wearing red all the time...), especially the finish line which is in Maui, Hawaii, which we all know is a tropical and warm, humid place, which makes me think that they wouldn't wear jackets either. ;D
Hey guys, what do you think?
But I'm really really rooting for a T/V, C/J, C/J Final Three... :jumpy:
I think K/J making it to the end is possible, however very unlikely.
there have been teams that have made it all the way to the end under the radar. (dan and andrew were last spotted in india, yet made it all the way to the finale) K/J could be the same situation to a greater extent (not seen since romania)
and jackets could mean a lot of things, do you think they could be windreakers?
i think it would be pretty cool to have a suprise team make it to the end
Hello DavidJunior! :waves:
Yeah, I must agree that with the lack of spoilers, everyone, including Kisha/Jen making it to the end is possible indeed. And I definitely agree that there could be one team making it to the end by surprise would completely make the race so much fun than last time. But, K/J looks like one of the next to be sent in elimination station, I just would assume that those who have spotted Cara/Jaime and Tammy/Victor in Beijing getting out of China are true, making less chances that one surprise team could go in the last spot.
I really love this season! A lot of people are seriously engaged in posting, speculating, I must say, CBS and TPTB really made this season so great!
Post by: Moo on March 19, 2009, 12:22:49 AM
wow thx neobie!
ok...its maybe a little too early to say this, but i think tammy and victor will do pretty well in the two legs in china, (if they make it, which will probaly happen) cause tammy speaks mandrian and victor somehow planned a trip to china all by himself or something...(its in their bio)
Hi jerry :waves:, If tammy/victor would survive the next legs until the 8th leg, we'll see that its also almost a guarantee that they'll make the final 3, because of the 3 china legs :yess: :yess: :yess:... it's similar to ron/christina's situation last last season, where they completely knew how to navigate to japan and taiwan because of prior knowledge, culture and heritage... :jumpy:
Post by: Kiwi Jay on March 19, 2009, 02:40:50 AM
Post by: Hooky on March 19, 2009, 04:30:57 PM
Post by: Snooky on March 19, 2009, 05:24:23 PM
Post by: TARAsia Fan on March 19, 2009, 05:43:02 PM
Post by: Snooky on March 19, 2009, 05:54:53 PM
Post by: Belle Book on March 19, 2009, 07:00:34 PM
Frank & Margarita were overconfident (or at least Frank was),
Tara just couldn't run as fast as Chris & Alex,
Chip & Kim wisely didn't reveal the canceled flight to the other finalist teams, so they had to get a later flight; although Colin & Christie did get a great taxi driver, they got a flat tire (possibly because the driver was going past cars on the bumper strip),
and the Schroeder family was pushed to the back of the pack by just grabbing the first ticket they saw -- which was a later one, and they got themselves lost quite a bit.
Belle Book
Post by: apskip on March 19, 2009, 08:02:19 PM
Frank took a long time discussing his route with the Newark Airport taxi driver. If he hadn't done that before getting in the taxi and chose to do it en route, Frank/Margarita would probably have gotten on the same subway run as Rob/Brennan.
Wil spent time trying to cut the taxi line at Oakland International Airport. If Wil/Tara had just gotten into that line when they arrived, nobody could have caught them and the slower speed of Tara would have been irrelevant.
The factors you cite for Colin/Christie at Calgary and in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area are true. Here are two more factors that influenced the outcome. Once the fog came in after Colin/Christie and Brandon/Nicole had started to rest in the Calgary airport hotel, Chip/Kim were incredibly lucky to be in the right place at the right time. They caught a small window of available flight reservations for the Denver to Dallas flight that closed and could not be attained by the other two teams. That still would not have mattered if the American Airlines agent had not recommended that both teams check their excess luggage on the American flight. That did not matter for the Calgary to Denver flight but airport officials in Denver applied strict guidelines and prevented them from going standby on the United Denver to Dallas flight, the one Chip/Kim were on. The American flight from Dallas to Denver got them in just over 10 minutes behind.
So these things are complex and you can't say that any team lost as a result of hometown knowledge.
Post by: Moo on March 20, 2009, 01:20:12 AM
Post by: Belle Book on March 20, 2009, 05:48:32 PM
Belle Book,
Frank took a long time discussing his route with the Newark Airport taxi driver. If he hadn't done that before getting in the taxi and chose to do it en route, Frank/Margarita would probably have gotten on the same subway run as Rob/Brennan.
Wil spent time trying to cut the taxi line at Oakland International Airport. If Wil/Tara had just gotten into that line when they arrived, nobody could have caught them and the slower speed of Tara would have been irrelevant.
The factors you cite for Colin/Christie at Calgary and in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area are true. Here are two more factors that influenced the outcome. Once the fog came in after Colin/Christie and Brandon/Nicole had started to rest in the Calgary airport hotel, Chip/Kim were incredibly lucky to be in the right place at the right time. They caught a small window of available flight reservations for the Denver to Dallas flight that closed and could not be attained by the other two teams. That still would not have mattered if the American Airlines agent had not recommended that both teams check their excess luggage on the American flight. That did not matter for the Calgary to Denver flight but airport officials in Denver applied strict guidelines and prevented them from going standby on the United Denver to Dallas flight, the one Chip/Kim were on. The American flight from Dallas to Denver got them in just over 10 minutes behind.
So these things are complex and you can't say that any team lost as a result of hometown knowledge.
That's what I was trying to say, even if some of the details weren't quite accurate -- the curse of the hometown team doesn't really exist because other factors came into play.
Belle Book
Post by: Snooky on March 20, 2009, 06:11:17 PM
Belle Book,
Frank took a long time discussing his route with the Newark Airport taxi driver. If he hadn't done that before getting in the taxi and chose to do it en route, Frank/Margarita would probably have gotten on the same subway run as Rob/Brennan.
Wil spent time trying to cut the taxi line at Oakland International Airport. If Wil/Tara had just gotten into that line when they arrived, nobody could have caught them and the slower speed of Tara would have been irrelevant.
The factors you cite for Colin/Christie at Calgary and in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area are true. Here are two more factors that influenced the outcome. Once the fog came in after Colin/Christie and Brandon/Nicole had started to rest in the Calgary airport hotel, Chip/Kim were incredibly lucky to be in the right place at the right time. They caught a small window of available flight reservations for the Denver to Dallas flight that closed and could not be attained by the other two teams. That still would not have mattered if the American Airlines agent had not recommended that both teams check their excess luggage on the American flight. That did not matter for the Calgary to Denver flight but airport officials in Denver applied strict guidelines and prevented them from going standby on the United Denver to Dallas flight, the one Chip/Kim were on. The American flight from Dallas to Denver got them in just over 10 minutes behind.
So these things are complex and you can't say that any team lost as a result of hometown knowledge.
That's what I was trying to say, even if some of the details weren't quite accurate -- the curse of the hometown team doesn't really exist because other factors came into play.
Belle Book
Are we even sure that Victor and Tammy are that familiar with Asia? They're from America not Asia.
Post by: apskip on March 20, 2009, 07:20:04 PM
they recently traveled with friends to China and Victor mapped out the entire trip down to the minute.
So they are very knowledgeable about China, where there will be 3 AR14 episodes.
Post by: georgiapeach on March 20, 2009, 07:27:42 PM
Post by: Hooky on March 21, 2009, 04:37:55 PM
Post by: Ashe on March 21, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
*Praying Tammy & Victor won't be another reincarnation of "Team Domination"*If that's the Spanglers, then I hope they are, minus a victory on the final leg. That'd knock Victor down a few pegs.
Post by: slayton on March 22, 2009, 05:42:47 PM
*Praying Tammy & Victor won't be another reincarnation of "Team Domination"*
I assume that you're talking about Nick & Starr, but Gary & Dave called themselves "Team Domination" way back in season 2.
I'm against re-using team nicknames.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on March 22, 2009, 05:49:17 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on March 22, 2009, 06:18:26 PM
Post by: ready2rock on March 24, 2009, 03:48:28 AM
Linda and Steve-TVGuide.com: Who's your favorite to win now?
Linda: The way I feel about it is this: Everybody on the race is fantastic. I mean, they are competitors. They're tough, they're strong, they're smart. You go through so much emotionally, physically. The ones I want to win are the ones that win because they deserve it.
Steve: The ones that work for it. It's not like we have a favorite team or a team we want to lose. It's just whoever wins it deserves it because they didn't get there by making a lot of mistakes. They got to that point by being good and they deserve to win.
Kris and Amanda-TVGuide.com: When did you find out it was Margie and Luke who U-Turned you?
Amanda: We found out about a weekend later when we were sequestered. But what they didn't show was the reason why we initially thought it was Jen and Kisha. The day before, we were eating lunch with the cast at a restaurant in Romania and the cast was split up into two tables. Afterward, when we were walking back to our room, Luke and Margie approached us and said, "Hey, just so you know, everyone at our table was talking about the U-Turn and every single team said they wouldn't use it, including us, but Jennifer and Kisha said, 'You'd be stupid not to use it. We'd definitely use it if we have a chance.'" So naturally, that was the first thing we assumed because of what we were told the day before. When we found out it was Luke and Margie, it's like, "Why did they have to go out of their way to make up a story to tell us?" At the end, we told Jen and Kisha, and they said Margie's story was completely untrue.
Jodi and Christie-TVGuide.com: Who were you cheering for after you got eliminated?
Jodi: Kisha and Jennifer or Mike and Mel.
Christie: Obviously, we want a girl team to win, and Jennifer and Kisha were such good sports that were always telling us during tasks, "Good job, ladies." We didn't really get that camaraderie with Jaime and Cara that we got with them.
Jodi: They're strong, but they're classy. Also, I just really love Mike and Mel because they were positive all the time. Mel was one of the people I trusted most in the Race because I knew that he wasn't going to lie to me.
Christie: I've had so many people call me and tell me they're pulling for those two. My mom's 68, which is Mel's age, so I was really impressed with him. And to see Mike so worried about his dad — I just really appreciated that relationship.
I failed to interpret anything significant from any of the interviews...infact this has left me more confused now :umn:
Post by: puddin on March 24, 2009, 11:13:25 AM
I failed to interpret anything significant from any of the interviews...Exactly, so whats the point?
Post by: TARAsia Fan on March 24, 2009, 12:45:02 PM
Post by: Ruth on March 24, 2009, 01:21:02 PM
Post by: ready2rock on March 27, 2009, 02:08:51 AM
Yes, so what exactly are you confused about, ready2rock?
The confusion is that in the jodi and christie interview, she has mentioned that during the roadblock task in india she was not allowed to carry two buckets of water at the same time which she wanted to do whereas as we know except for her,victor and mel; rest all didn't do the camel feed task properly until only later on when they realised that there is a basket and a tool provided using which they were supposed to do the task...in that case why was no penalty levied on the other teams bcz they didn't follow the instructions correctly...i mean what's the basis for levying a penalty???
Post by: Kiwi Jay on March 27, 2009, 02:30:34 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on March 27, 2009, 02:31:13 AM
OTOH, Jodi carrying two buckets was smart. TPTB got out of letting her do that by saying she couldn't use "another team's" bucket. I suspect that was an on the spot decision by production.
Post by: Ashe on March 27, 2009, 03:15:11 AM
Mel and Mike and Jaime and Cara, Tammy and Victor and Mark and Mike onwards and Margie and Luke look safe so Kisha and Jen are my next boots!No good. According to puddin, the sisters actually get past the Phuket leg and make the F5. So it's one of the other five who won't be around for the Bangkok leg.
Post by: ready2rock on March 27, 2009, 03:22:36 AM
Mel and Mike and Jaime and Cara, Tammy and Victor and Mark and Mike onwards and Margie and Luke look safe so Kisha and Jen are my next boots!No good. According to puddin, the sisters actually get past the Phuket leg and make the F5. So it's one of the other five who won't be around for the Bangkok leg.
Yeah I agree!!! and trust me how awesome that wud be i mean since this season has started all speculations related to them are just proving to be false...like no sightings since the romania leg and everything...wow wud be amazing to see them making it to the final 3 and eventually winning it :yess:
Post by: DavidJunior on March 27, 2009, 03:36:46 AM
Mel and Mike and Jaime and Cara, Tammy and Victor and Mark and Mike onwards and Margie and Luke look safe so Kisha and Jen are my next boots!
i believe that we saw Mark/Michael and Margie/Luke in the Bangkok airport before the Phuket leg began
and Mel/Mike and Tammy/Victor were on the flight from Bangkok to Phuket
Post by: TARAsia Fan on March 27, 2009, 07:55:09 AM
Taking private transportation is considered a no-no most of the time (although Linda rode in a private car earlier this season and we didn't see any penalty assessed) and also, taking a taxi or bus when the clue clearly states "walk" and we saw that with Heather & Eve in TAR 3.
Post by: gator27 on March 27, 2009, 12:18:02 PM
Besides, carrying two buckets is not a punishable offense, you just drop one and move on.
Taking private transportation is considered a no-no most of the time (although Linda rode in a private car earlier this season and we didn't see any penalty assessed) and also, taking a taxi or bus when the clue clearly states "walk" and we saw that with Heather & Eve in TAR 3.
Using a bucket or stuffing your shirt to carry camel food was actually slower that using the tools provided. It would have been silly to punish a team that already punished itself.
I suspect that Steve & Linda could have received a penalty if they were not the last team to arrive.
Post by: georgiapeach on March 27, 2009, 12:41:01 PM
Post by: DrRox on March 27, 2009, 12:57:32 PM
Post by: gator27 on March 27, 2009, 01:03:13 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on March 27, 2009, 02:44:32 PM
I think Kris said he did the same thing as Linda....at same spot.....just earlier......from his interviws........but they were not penalized.
Kris ran it though, he didn't take a ride.
It also seems that penalties are given to Teams but not told to the audience.
Yes, sometimes...
Post by: Belle Book on March 27, 2009, 04:04:17 PM
Mel and Mike and Jaime and Cara, Tammy and Victor and Mark and Mike onwards and Margie and Luke look safe so Kisha and Jen are my next boots!
Well, actually we strongly suspect that Cara & Jamie make the Final 3 and that Tammy & Victor are on the same flight with them. LaKisha & Jen, Margie & Luke, Mark & Michael and Mel & Mike are the ones who I'm not sure about.
Belle Book
Post by: georgiapeach on March 29, 2009, 06:33:21 PM
Here is the rest of the story.
While we have had this information since well before the show aired, I personally felt that it wouldn't be fair to the first teams that would be eliminated or to all the fans enjoying speculating on their favorites to release this info too soon. But after tonight we will have our final five, so I think it is finally okay to share this with you all.
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Okay, presents! :hearts:
I have been fortunate enough to be in contact with someone who came across the race in Beijing, on the way to Tokyo. Thanks to an enormous amount of time and help from her, I am able to bring you a good bit of info. This would be the connecting flight Beijing>Tokyo>Hawaii.
This description has been edited by me in order to combine a series of email exchanges and in order to simplify the info, so any mistakes in the editing are mine. My inserts/edits have been italicized, the rest is in her words. Most of this comes in response to questions I posed.
We were flying on an Air China/ANA code share from Beijing to Tokyo on the 21st of November, flight later ID’d as CA925/NH5702 0930-1350.
All persons seen by her were confirmed by her matching photos.
At the terminal we discovered we had ended up on the same flight as the cheerleaders (Cara/Jaime) and the Mom/son (Margie/Luke). To the annoyance of the airline ground staff the film crew kept trying to jump ahead in line and was filming other passengers boarding the plane. I pray my exhausted scowl does not make national television. It would not be an attractive moment to have aired.
Once we got on the plane, one sound man in particular seemed keen on climbing over seats to make sure he was involved.
Aside from the camera crew cutting in various lines and being a touch rude, I don't honestly remember much else aside from the fact that the cheerleaders were glad another team was fighting and said as much to the Mom/son team. I will say I was surprised at how open the crew was about needing to get certain shots like "the waiting for the plane door to close shot."
Those two teams split in a different direction once we left the plane in Tokyo as we went for our (personal info removed) flight and they went to Hawaii (overheard them saying) and they went onward.
We then came across Phil at the JAL transfer desk in Tokyo. He was actually traveling with Tammy/Victor and BVM. insert: They were ahead of us in line.
I do recall Victor was very nice to the crew and was trying to get the crew members window seats to sleep by to their next destination...Honolulu. They did film them at the counter if I recall.
I'm not sure if they were staying there or not as none of them mentioned anything beyond that.
this group which included Phil, BVM (see below), and Tammy/Victor had NOT been seen by her on her flight.
Phil didn't really interact with anyone besides an older man who I would assume was a producer of some sort. Photo confirmation that this was Bertram Van Munster—insert: And it definitely was Bertram Van Munster that was with them, he and Phil didn't really interact with anyone but each other.
The crew and such traveling with Phil/BVM/Tammy/Victor were considerably nicer than the ones on her flight and were discussing how they had been celebrating someone's birthday a few days prior and someone had accidentally ruined the surprise cake by letting the secret slip.
Once past the transfer desk we had to go downstairs to the Bus station to transfer to another Terminal where we again came across Phil and Tammy/Victor. We rode the bus with them to the other terminal and then lost them in the chaos that is Narita airport.
…
I asked if she was able to get a feel for who might be in the lead at that point, or if these could be decoys:
To be honest, none of the groups really seemed to be too excited or racing, so it would be hard to say as neither group we saw really seemed all that "race like."
Post by: Moo on March 29, 2009, 07:58:25 PM
At the terminal we discovered we had ended up on the same flight as the cheerleaders (Cara/Jaime) and the Mom/son (Margie/Luke). To the annoyance of the airline ground staff the film crew kept trying to jump ahead in line and was filming other passengers boarding the plane. I pray my exhausted scowl does not make national television. It would not be an attractive moment to have aired.
We then came across Phil at the JAL transfer desk in Tokyo. He was actually traveling with Tammy/Victor and BVM. insert: They were ahead of us in line.
... (basically the whole story above)
This means quite a lot peach!
a) T/V are so far ahead (at least meeting up with Phil/BvM in Narita Airport to Hawaii), than C/J and Margie/Luke making them our Final 3??
SPECULATION:
T/V get so far ahead during the 11th leg in Beijing, thus leaving on the first flight (catch up with BvM and production flight or separate flight) meeting them in Narita Airport for JAL and off to Honolulu, would it be that most likely, they meet all of the teams in the flight?
b) T/V are sadly eliminated in Beijing China ( :'( x infinity - saddest and most heartbreaking elimination for us guys who root for them as the first Asian who wins the race! - Please don't let it be Hometown, in this case, Homecountry curse!)
c) Phil did mention before that sometimes they are actually together with racers, problem is, is T/V actually seen with Phil and BvM? If they were seen as one cluster, then we by all means, know that they would run as decoys already... :'( (Like Kelly/Christy last season) I'm kinda confused with these lines:
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Phil didn't really interact with anyone besides an older man who I would assume was a producer of some sort. Photo confirmation that this was Bertram Van Munster—insert: And it definitely was Bertram Van Munster that was with them, he and Phil didn't really interact with anyone but each other.
The crew and such traveling with Phil/BVM/Tammy/Victor were considerably nicer than the ones on her flight and were discussing how they had been celebrating someone's birthday a few days prior and someone had accidentally ruined the surprise cake by letting the secret slip.
d) Could the last Beijing leg be actually a NEL? No other team was spotted there in Beijing Airport nor Tokyo (If there is another, wouldn't they be also filmed or noticed?) There were no sighting of other teams, and C/J talking to Margie/Luke about a team that is quarreling? - The final 5 does not have anyone quarrel way more than sibs T/V.
If this is really our final 3, by all means, yes way! :hearts:
Else: :'(
Peach, do you have her photos and and are you allowed post it here in RFF? :)
Post by: Belle Book on March 29, 2009, 08:17:21 PM
Belle Book
Post by: georgiapeach on March 29, 2009, 08:28:14 PM
T/V are not far ahead, all three teams are in Tokyo airport.
And she was so sorry, but there are no pictures.
The decoy teams are traditionally teams 4 and 5, although there have been a few exceptions.
Speculate away... :waves:
Post by: Moo on March 29, 2009, 08:46:57 PM
Re-read the post Mooyou, it is all there. :)
T/V are not far ahead, all three teams are in Tokyo airport.
And she was so sorry, but there are no pictures.
The decoy teams are traditionally teams 4 and 5, although there have been a few exceptions.
Speculate away... :waves:
Peach, thanks! I literally skipped parts! :hearts:
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I do recall Victor was very nice to the crew and was trying to get the crew members window seats to sleep by to their next destination...Honolulu. They did film them at the counter if I recall.
Speculation:
they're the final 3 alright, T/V gets a flight, coincidentally, with Phil and BvM... But what I don't know is that C/J and M/L would probably take the same flight? Or a different flight? Could your witness be just ahead by a notch from the two other teams? Basically, what we know is that JAL would probably arrive first than the another flight (Phil/BvM). I wonder why production did not prohibit T/V in getting the JAL flight with them?
Decoys don't get filmed or get camera crews right?? The only thing I could remember is Kelly/Christy accidentally getting taped while Dandrew performs the Speedbump.
Oh yeah, the crew's probably nicer because their boss is there... :funny:
Post by: georgiapeach on March 29, 2009, 09:21:11 PM
Post by: Zack. on March 29, 2009, 09:25:46 PM
I really think T/V are the decoys in this instance.
Post by: Moo on March 29, 2009, 09:30:57 PM
Decoys absolutely get filmed AND have camera crews.
Oh, shucks then... I guess we all have to speculate until we get to see the results( :'() then! :lol:
EDIT:
Cara/Jaime would most probably be happy if T/V would be fighting, because starting from Episode 5, we could see the two teams' gut-wrenching hostility towards each other (further implicated by Victor when he specifically wanted C/J to be U-turned), and since we know M/L do not trust them anymore either as far as the race is concerned, C/J would happily tell them to.
I don't see any cooperation by C/J with K/J or the midgets in the future episodes
The only way T/V could be eliminated in China is if one of the other teams (C/J to be more specific) U-turn T/V.
Post by: Chateau d If on March 29, 2009, 10:07:12 PM
Post by: Moo on March 29, 2009, 10:08:55 PM
So you all saw T/V in confessional clearly in China!!!
Question is, where in China? Are they happy? With the spoiler on the other thread, I'm scared of their placement, especially in the penultimate leg, Sadly, I wasn't able to start the race itself...
Post by: puddin on March 29, 2009, 10:30:31 PM
So you all saw T/V in confessional clearly in China!!!What time Chateau?
Post by: Chateau d If on March 29, 2009, 10:36:25 PM
Post by: puddin on March 29, 2009, 10:37:23 PM
Post by: Chateau d If on March 29, 2009, 10:47:06 PM
Wel wrong thread but this one?
That's the one! China huh?
Post by: puddin on March 29, 2009, 10:50:53 PM
Wel wrong thread but this one?
That's the one! China huh?
I was thinking it was Europe! LOL .. okay moving this to the spec thread okay?Wel wrong thread but this one?
That's the one! China huh?
Post by: TARAsia Fan on March 29, 2009, 11:06:42 PM
Post by: Chateau d If on March 29, 2009, 11:17:02 PM
Post by: Ashe on March 29, 2009, 11:18:48 PM
More often than not the teams have been bunched together on the flight to the final destination, either through an early morning/late night pit start (Russia last year being a good example), an extended pit stop (Guam), or various tasks in the intermediate destination (Paris, Puerto Rico, Hawaii all those times)I agree. I could see it happening through a U-Turn on leg ten and coming in last on an NEL, and then being unable to make up the time following their Speed Bump on leg eleven. I don't think they'd be traveling with Phil if they were still in the race. But if they are, then I assume something would bunch them up.
I really think T/V are the decoys in this instance.
So if they go out, I think Mark & Michael will be that last F3 team since they slowly seem to be turning into the villains of the race.
Post by: Moo on March 29, 2009, 11:27:14 PM
I agree. I could see it happening through a U-Turn on leg ten and coming in last on an NEL, and then being unable to make up the time following their Speed Bump on leg eleven. I don't think they'd be traveling with Phil if they were still in the race. But if they are, then I assume something would bunch them up.
So if they go out, I think Mark & Michael will be that last F3 team since they slowly seem to be turning into the villains of the race.
For me, I don't see those two fighting - as the witness mentioned to peach, I always have thought that they were cool and very calm/relaxed... even though they had an hour's worth of penalty, they remained quiet all the time. Kisha and Jen seems to be diplomatic in exchanging of words, the only team I see really fighting against each other is V/T...
Oh man, please let T/V go into the F3!!
Post by: puddin on March 29, 2009, 11:40:07 PM
Tammy is talking about nothing specific so I guess it could be from a previous pit stop. :duno:I'm looking Chateau,, was it the bob sled in Novosibirsk ?
Post by: puddin on March 29, 2009, 11:49:40 PM
Post by: puddin on March 29, 2009, 11:50:26 PM
Post by: Moo on March 30, 2009, 12:02:35 AM
Thanks for the screencaps puddin!
Puddin, what's your take on the spoiler at the previous page? are T/V decoys or one of the final 3 teams? hehe...
Post by: DavidJunior on March 30, 2009, 12:55:32 AM
Look at Kynt/Vyxsin of TAR12 (who would've expected them to raise their voices at eachother at all?)
so, anyone could get short with eachother, especially near the end of spending over three weeks with the person literally circling the globe and having to compete in strenuous and stressful tasks all the way through
honestly anyone could be in the final 3, who knows Cara/Jaime and Margie/Luke are the two decoys and the other three made it to F3...
but i think Tammy/Victor might be the decoys in this instance
Post by: Ashe on March 30, 2009, 05:05:28 AM
Post by: ready2rock on March 30, 2009, 08:21:09 AM
Post by: apskip on March 30, 2009, 09:00:42 AM
Huh? When was this law passed? They could be eliminated any leg due to a random chance task or a penalty. They are unlikely to be eliminated on a task involving physical action or brains.Decoys absolutely get filmed AND have camera crews.The only way T/V could be eliminated in China is if one of the other teams (C/J to be more specific) U-turn T/V.
Post by: DrRox on March 30, 2009, 09:59:58 AM
but i think Tammy/Victor might be the decoys in this instance
I don't think T/V are decoys, though they bear all the signs. I just don't think that decoy teams buy their own tickets after they are eliminated. Nor would they be buying tickets for their crew, which Victor obviously doing, since he is trying to get window seats for his cameraman and soundman. I would think that decoy teams get tickets handed to them by production.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on March 30, 2009, 10:04:03 AM
Post by: Snooky on March 30, 2009, 09:42:33 PM
Not necessarily. If they're decoys, they do everything as if they're still in the race including buying tickets.
We did have Kelly and Christie just watching Andrew and Dan doing their speed bump last season, so they might not always do the exact same as the other teams. They should have been doing the roadblock or the detour.
Post by: mungobuh on March 30, 2009, 09:59:52 PM
More than all that, it would be SUPER refreshing to see a team that wasn't so. ****ing. inevitable. Last season wasn't necessarily a turd, but it was too damn predictable with Nick & Starr winning nearly every damn leg and then the whole thing. I guess a season cannot be so unpredictable...as it has been up till now.
Post by: Moo on March 31, 2009, 05:31:01 AM
Not necessarily. If they're decoys, they do everything as if they're still in the race including buying tickets.
We did have Kelly and Christie just watching Andrew and Dan doing their speed bump last season, so they might not always do the exact same as the other teams. They should have been doing the roadblock or the detour.
And don't Kelly/Christy just toured the whole of Russia and Kazakhstan, I'm quite sure I've seen their pictures somewhere, probably in their site? I can't recall. :lol:
We are just assured that C/J M/L and T/V stays alive of the probable next two legs. :tup:
Post by: Belle Book on March 31, 2009, 01:19:01 PM
If the spoilers are to be believed and we're left with a F3 of T/V, M/L and C/J, I pray to the sweet baby Jesus that we're spared a Tammy/Victor win....but mostly because I cannot stand Victor. I know that Margie/Luke (can be cloying and fishing for sympathy) and Jamie/Cara (ugly americans) have their faults and all...but they must have worked damn hard to get where they got if the spoilers are correct and they were all spotted going from China to Hawaii.
More than all that, it would be SUPER refreshing to see a team that wasn't so. ****ing. inevitable. Last season wasn't necessarily a turd, but it was too damn predictable with Nick & Starr winning nearly every damn leg and then the whole thing. I guess a season cannot be so unpredictable...as it has been up till now.
Well, I think that Cara & Jamie and Margie & Luke definitely make the finals. Tammy & Victor's the question mark, because they were not only seen with Phil but also with the executive producer. That means they may be a decoy team. The other two -- not so much.
Belle Book
Post by: Hooky on March 31, 2009, 04:36:18 PM
I think it is just as likely that Tammy & Victor could be in the F3, but do the producers really get that interactive with the teams? To me that implies interference with the fairness of the game. I hope TAR does not go there. :knuckles:
Post by: Snooky on March 31, 2009, 06:05:21 PM
Post by: Ashe on March 31, 2009, 08:22:14 PM
If all of this is the case, then Kisha and Jen are most likely 5th.Agreed. It's looking more and more like Kisha & Jen go out in Guilin (since Bangkok will obviously be an NEL), and then either Tammy & Victor or Mark & Michael go out on the second Beijing leg, leaving the other in the F3, possibly as the fall-behind team that finishes after both the first- and second-place teams.
I have to think Margie & Luke and Jaime & Cara will be first and second. They wouldn't have continuously mentioned the friendship between the two teams on-air for nothing. If that happens, at least it won't be as obvious as the setup for Nick & Starr and Ken & Tina being the top two teams.
Post by: ready2rock on April 01, 2009, 03:33:32 AM
"Teams eliminated early in the race are then flown to a common location known as "Sequesterville" where teams are allowed to relax and sight-see (though with restrictions), until they are then flown to the final city for the very end of the Race. The 4th, 5th, and 6th place teams do not necessarily go to Sequesterville; instead, they may either accompany production through the last few legs and meet up with the rest of the eliminated teams at the finish line (in order to cut down on travel costs), or they may be asked to perform "decoy runs", usually flying into the final city or a different city with a camera crew, a day or so before the final three teams arrive, in order to throw off potential spoilers for the final teams."
With all this info i am quite sure that T/V are not one of the final 3 teams...what do u'll say???
Post by: Moo on April 01, 2009, 04:17:33 AM
Hey everyone!!! i found this on one of the websites thought of sharing it with you all.
"Teams eliminated early in the race are then flown to a common location known as "Sequesterville" where teams are allowed to relax and sight-see (though with restrictions), until they are then flown to the final city for the very end of the Race. The 4th, 5th, and 6th place teams do not necessarily go to Sequesterville; instead, they may either accompany production through the last few legs and meet up with the rest of the eliminated teams at the finish line (in order to cut down on travel costs), or they may be asked to perform "decoy runs", usually flying into the final city or a different city with a camera crew, a day or so before the final three teams arrive, in order to throw off potential spoilers for the final teams."
With all this info i am quite sure that T/V are not one of the final 3 teams...what do u'll say???
ready2rock, thanks for the information, but many of us already know this, what bothers most is why all three teams, including the producers are all in one place at the same time - producers and decoys must or most likely to be ahead of actual teams. That article also states how decoy teams and production perform decoy runs a day before or hours before, not with the actual teams. Peach's spoiler goes only to show a proof of two teams coming to the final 3, with another one bickering. There is really no proof to which T/V really is eliminated or is the final member of the Final 3. Only time and the eleventh episode would tell. :)
And your source is wiki, almost anyone known to the race have might as well read the article there.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 01, 2009, 08:16:32 AM
Post by: Snooky on April 01, 2009, 08:49:41 AM
And wiki is often wrong about TAR so while the above info is generally correct, we have to take what is on there with a grain of salt.
Including many early episode titles.
Post by: ready2rock on April 01, 2009, 09:10:08 AM
Hey everyone!!! i found this on one of the websites thought of sharing it with you all.
"Teams eliminated early in the race are then flown to a common location known as "Sequesterville" where teams are allowed to relax and sight-see (though with restrictions), until they are then flown to the final city for the very end of the Race. The 4th, 5th, and 6th place teams do not necessarily go to Sequesterville; instead, they may either accompany production through the last few legs and meet up with the rest of the eliminated teams at the finish line (in order to cut down on travel costs), or they may be asked to perform "decoy runs", usually flying into the final city or a different city with a camera crew, a day or so before the final three teams arrive, in order to throw off potential spoilers for the final teams."
With all this info i am quite sure that T/V are not one of the final 3 teams...what do u'll say???
ready2rock, thanks for the information, but many of us already know this, what bothers most is why all three teams, including the producers are all in one place at the same time - producers and decoys must or most likely to be ahead of actual teams. That article also states how decoy teams and production perform decoy runs a day before or hours before, not with the actual teams. Peach's spoiler goes only to show a proof of two teams coming to the final 3, with another one bickering. There is really no proof to which T/V really is eliminated or is the final member of the Final 3. Only time and the eleventh episode would tell. :)
And your source is wiki, almost anyone known to the race have might as well read the article there.
No my source is not wiki but i found this info on sidereel.com and also one additional reason to post this is that bcoz of the two week break i guess many of the members on this forum have also gone on a break...can't see any more speculation...so just thought of keeping it alive this way :talk
Post by: Ashe on April 01, 2009, 10:22:20 AM
Post by: apskip on April 01, 2009, 10:34:54 AM
Hey everyone!!! i found this on one of the websites thought of sharing it with you all.
"Teams eliminated early in the race are then flown to a common location known as "Sequesterville" where teams are allowed to relax and sight-see (though with restrictions), until they are then flown to the final city for the very end of the Race. The 4th, 5th, and 6th place teams do not necessarily go to Sequesterville; instead, they may either accompany production through the last few legs and meet up with the rest of the eliminated teams at the finish line (in order to cut down on travel costs), or they may be asked to perform "decoy runs", usually flying into the final city or a different city with a camera crew, a day or so before the final three teams arrive, in order to throw off potential spoilers for the final teams."
With all this info i am quite sure that T/V are not one of the final 3 teams...what do u'll say???
ready2rock, I say that you are just repeating what has been common knowledge on RFF for years. We don't wait for other websites to post things. There may not a comprehensive in one place summary, but it is embedded in a variety of discussions. What do you have that's new or different?
Post by: georgiapeach on April 01, 2009, 11:15:34 AM
Yes the decoy info isn't new to most of us, but still was a nice reminder.
Thanks ready2rock, thanks to all of the rest of you for attempting to be sure everything is as clear and accurate as possible.
Back to our regularly scheduled discussion on spoilers! :tup:
Post by: DavidJunior on April 01, 2009, 12:52:46 PM
and if the reported sightings of T/V getting onto a plane with the production staff are true
then i think it's safe to say that T/V get Philiminated before the final leg
Post by: Ruth on April 01, 2009, 12:57:04 PM
Post by: TexasLady on April 01, 2009, 01:32:39 PM
Post by: Ashe on April 01, 2009, 02:59:37 PM
I am totally confused now. ??? I'm fairly new to TAR so I'm not up to speed on NEL's, buying tickets for the camera people etc. etc. but it does seem odd that T/V would be on the same plane as Phil. OTOH, he wasn't talking to them, so.... :umn:If they were in that close proximity with him, they've gotta be decoys, whether they actually directly interacted or not. I'd believe they weren't if they weren't anywhere near Phil, or were on a flight with at least one other team. Still, the penultimate episode will help determine which is the case, so I can't wait to see what it'll have to say.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 01, 2009, 03:37:05 PM
Post by: Belle Book on April 01, 2009, 03:46:29 PM
Usually, Phil tries to fly ahead to the next destination ahead of the teams so he can tape his introductions to the Road Block, Detour and Pit Stop. However, sometimes the teams do catch up. It's rare but it does happen. Do teams often interact with Phil at locations other than the mat? No, but maybe this was one of those rare oddities when Tammy & Victor actually caught up with BVM and Phil. You never know.
You're right in saying that it might be just one of those rare oddities, TARAsia Fan, and I don't want Tammy & Victor to be Philiminated any more than you do (especially if this puts Mark & Michael in the finale), but I kind of doubt that it's the case. LaKisha & Jen are probably eliminated in Guillin and Tammy & Victor are most likely (although not definitively) eliminated in Beijing. A pity.
Belle Book
Post by: Snooky on April 01, 2009, 04:17:19 PM
Usually, Phil tries to fly ahead to the next destination ahead of the teams so he can tape his introductions to the Road Block, Detour and Pit Stop. However, sometimes the teams do catch up. It's rare but it does happen. Do teams often interact with Phil at locations other than the mat? No, but maybe this was one of those rare oddities when Tammy & Victor actually caught up with BVM and Phil. You never know.
In season 9 in Italy, BJ and Tyler were ahead of Phil, and Eric and Jeremy were with him. Phil was almost too late for BJ and Tyler at the mat.
Post by: DavidJunior on April 01, 2009, 05:26:57 PM
Usually, Phil tries to fly ahead to the next destination ahead of the teams so he can tape his introductions to the Road Block, Detour and Pit Stop. However, sometimes the teams do catch up. It's rare but it does happen. Do teams often interact with Phil at locations other than the mat? No, but maybe this was one of those rare oddities when Tammy & Victor actually caught up with BVM and Phil. You never know.
In season 9 in Italy, BJ and Tyler were ahead of Phil, and Eric and Jeremy were with him. Phil was almost too late for BJ and Tyler at the mat.
Were Eric/Jeremy just on the same plane as Phil, or were they travelling with him?
What I got from the spoiler, Tammy/Victor were travelling with Phil and that group, not coincidentally on the same flight
Post by: Snooky on April 01, 2009, 05:31:39 PM
Usually, Phil tries to fly ahead to the next destination ahead of the teams so he can tape his introductions to the Road Block, Detour and Pit Stop. However, sometimes the teams do catch up. It's rare but it does happen. Do teams often interact with Phil at locations other than the mat? No, but maybe this was one of those rare oddities when Tammy & Victor actually caught up with BVM and Phil. You never know.
In season 9 in Italy, BJ and Tyler were ahead of Phil, and Eric and Jeremy were with him. Phil was almost too late for BJ and Tyler at the mat.
Were Eric/Jeremy just on the same plane as Phil, or were they travelling with him?
What I got from the spoiler, Tammy/Victor were travelling with Phil and that group, not coincidentally on the same flight
They were just on the same plane.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 01, 2009, 05:32:56 PM
Post by: littlewop on April 01, 2009, 05:56:37 PM
:duno:
Post by: Snooky on April 01, 2009, 07:04:25 PM
Are we absolutely positive that the person who gave RFF the spoiler is 100% reliable? Remember that we had spoilers about the deaf "girl" in the race, I believe it was Jen, that they had pictures to support and everything. If they are indeed decoys, why have them travel with production? Kind of gives it away.
:duno:
We might as well use what we have, unless we have a spoiler against it... They HAVE to have economy tickets.
If I remember right, the teams were in coach while Phil was in First Class.
Phil always gets his great comforts!
Post by: puddin on April 01, 2009, 09:14:10 PM
Are we absolutely positive that the person who gave RFF the spoiler is 100% reliable? Remember that we had spoilers about the deaf "girl" in the race, I believe it was Jen, that they had pictures to support and everything. If they are indeed decoys, why have them travel with production? Kind of gives it away.The info comes from this (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg362033.html#msg362033) blogger. I can't see her/him making this up .......
:duno:
oh BOY!!!
From a blog dated 11/25 but describing events that occured 11/21-23 as best as I can tell: Starts at Beijing airport!QuoteThree airlines, twelve “customer service” representatives and multiple people yelling at each other in Mandarin later we found ourselves on an Air China flight back to Tokyo. We’re still not sure why or what they were screaming but it seemed to be the norm for the airport. That said, it was a lovely airport.
During this ordeal we couldn’t help but notice two groups of travelers flashing American passports being flanked by their own teams of cameramen looking a little too giddy to be at the airport in Beijing at 8am. Oddly enough, it seems that we found ourselves in the middle of CBS’ “Amazing Race” with two teams on our flight. Without giving too much away, I can assure you that all of the panic and suspense of the actual show comes from some really great editing. On this particular day we found ourselves watching the double mint twins in matching sweatshirts, bleached teeth and badly dyed red hair preen the entire time for the cameras.
M had to remind me a few times that something are better thought than said aloud and that when calling people “twits” and such it’s best to do it at a volume they can’t hear you.
Forthunately the flight itself wasn’t bad as a nap and bag of M&Ms calmed me down considerable after being cut in front of by the camera crew multiple times had me rather annoyed.
Still we had quite a ways to go and even bumped into the host Phil Keoghan as he waited for his flight to film the finale in Hawaii. It’s important to note that the running, fighting and begging for seats that you see on TV didn’t really happen and oh yeah, Phil flies business class.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 01, 2009, 09:47:00 PM
Post by: Moo on April 02, 2009, 05:45:45 AM
I think M/M are toast in Guilin... The Bangkok leg doesn't look good for them.
plus, they don't look like people who would argue outside and make a commotion out of it as the last third team.
Jen/Kiesha gets the 4th place boot most probably in Beijing (First time that a fourth place did not get enough edit?)
T/V most probably would be the first team on the penultimate leg, followed closely by Jaime/Cara, and trailed by Margie/Luke for a longer time, thus J/C w/o M/L seeing T/V quarrel for flights out of Beijing, and when they leave Beijing earlier, C/J just spoils the information to Margie/Luke. It seems to be the most logical reasoning. Everyone meets in Tokyo Airport for the Hawaii flight...
Plus, the word traveling means many things in the spoiler, it may be identified as on the same plane as well...
I second the motion with Ken that T/V is one of the final 3! :)
Post by: apskip on April 02, 2009, 07:20:09 AM
If you have watched past Amazing Races, one of the things you come to expect as a given, unless a team is lagging too far behind to be bunched with the other two teams, is that World Race Productions forces all 3 teams onto the same flight to the destination. Now, since Honolulu to Kahului, Maui has flights every 20 minutes throughout the day, the Honolulu segment effectively becomes that flight. I expect out of Tokyo all teams will be on the same flight, which is in complete agreeement with your thinking. Now, there are 9 daily nonstop flights from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu so I am not sure how WRP is going to acoomplish it this time. But you can be assured that they will, as they want all teams to be equal as they arrive at the final place. It brings much more drama to the Finale. What happens from Beijing to Narita is irrelevant as long as a team does not fall too far behind.
Post by: Moo on April 02, 2009, 07:39:25 AM
Mooyou,apskip, I also think that they'ed be bunched up in Tokyo, but what I was saying in my previous post is one of I think a reason for Cara/Jaime to say that there is a third team fighting with each other to Margie/Luke, which could probably "prove" Tammy/Victor's "exsitence" still in the game hopefully.. although I may be wrong, because this spoiler made waves... Could C/J and M/L were just lost in Narita Terminal 1? (But I don't really know since I myself couldn't tell cause I haven't been to Japan), but sadly, we probably wouldn't know what the actual scenes are unless from the interviews, since BVM is cutting almost all airport scenes this season.
If you have watched past Amazing Races, one of the things you come to expect as a given, unless a team is lagging too far behind to be bunched with the other two teams, is that World Race Productions forces all 3 teams onto the same flight to the destination. Now, since Honolulu to Kahului, Maui has flights every 20 minutes throughout the day, the Honolulu segment effectively becomes that flight. I expect out of Tokyo all teams will be on the same flight, which is in complete agreeement with your thinking. Now, there are 9 daily nonstop flights from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu so I am not sure how WRP is going to acoomplish it this time. But you can be assured that they will, as they want all teams to be equal as they arrive at the final place. It brings much more drama to the Finale. What happens from Beijing to Narita is irrelevant as long as a team does not fall too far behind.
What comes after Tokyo/Hawaii flight will only be seen during the race itself, unless some spoilers would again float in the forums... :lol:
Post by: TexasLady on April 02, 2009, 07:59:32 AM
That was it. Phil was in Business Class. It appears everyone caught up with Phil/BVM. I'm going to say Tammy & Victor are not eliminated and are in the Final 3.
Mooyou,
If you have watched past Amazing Races, one of the things you come to expect as a given, unless a team is lagging too far behind to be bunched with the other two teams, is that World Race Productions forces all 3 teams onto the same flight to the destination. Now, since Honolulu to Kahului, Maui has flights every 20 minutes throughout the day, the Honolulu segment effectively becomes that flight. I expect out of Tokyo all teams will be on the same flight, which is in complete agreeement with your thinking. Now, there are 9 daily nonstop flights from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu so I am not sure how WRP is going to acoomplish it this time. But you can be assured that they will, as they want all teams to be equal as they arrive at the final place. It brings much more drama to the Finale. What happens from Beijing to Narita is irrelevant as long as a team does not fall too far behind.
You both make a lot of sense. This clears up a lot for me.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 02, 2009, 09:57:59 AM
Post by: makz3d on April 02, 2009, 10:21:43 AM
As you all know, RFF first brought you the info about C/J on the flight from Beijing on towards Hawaii.
<SNIP>
Aside from the camera crew cutting in various lines and being a touch rude, I don't honestly remember much else aside from the fact that the cheerleaders were glad another team was fighting and said as much to the Mom/son team. I will say I was surprised at how open the crew was about needing to get certain shots like "the waiting for the plane door to close shot."
Those two teams split in a different direction once we left the plane in Tokyo as we went for our (personal info removed) flight and they went to Hawaii (overheard them saying) and they went onward.
We then came across Phil at the JAL transfer desk in Tokyo. He was actually traveling with Tammy/Victor and BVM. insert: They were ahead of us in line.
<SNIP>
The crew and such traveling with Phil/BVM/Tammy/Victor were considerably nicer than the ones on her flight and were discussing how they had been celebrating someone's birthday a few days prior and someone had accidentally ruined the surprise cake by letting the secret slip.
Once past the transfer desk we had to go downstairs to the Bus station to transfer to another Terminal where we again came across Phil and Tammy/Victor. We rode the bus with them to the other terminal and then lost them in the chaos that is Narita airport. <SNIP>
The blogger said that the 2 teams split in a different direction than the blogger was going. Then the blogger come across T/V and Phil & BVM and crew. It seems to me that either M/L & J/C were going to Hawaii on a different flight. Or maybe they to the plane and didn't need to stop at the transfer. I've only flown once and that was overseas 30 years ago. So I don't know about needing transfers and such.
The other thing is it appears T/V were in one the discussion about the birthday party. It almost sounds like something with production and that's where T/V had been. I have a feeling T/V are decoys except that the 5th place team didn't seem to be with production. Although is Phil and BVM considered production? Maybe the 5th place team was already in Hawaii along with the Eliminated teams and that's where Kisha started the laughing at Preston because of the bungee cord.
Post by: DavidJunior on April 02, 2009, 10:34:33 AM
i don't remember reading that, but i could be mistaken
if they are susposed to be on the same flight, and since we don't have any spoilers of C/J or M/L getting on the T/V flight, I think that T/V being decoys is still a major possibility
Post by: Moo on April 02, 2009, 07:11:45 PM
The crew and such traveling with Phil/BVM/Tammy/Victor were considerably nicer than the ones on her flight and were discussing how they had been celebrating someone's birthday a few days prior and someone had accidentally ruined the surprise cake by letting the secret slip.
...
The other thing is it appears T/V were in one the discussion about the birthday party. It almost sounds like something with production and that's where T/V had been. I have a feeling T/V are decoys except that the 5th place team didn't seem to be with production. Although is Phil and BVM considered production? Maybe the 5th place team was already in Hawaii along with the Eliminated teams and that's where Kisha started the laughing at Preston because of the bungee cord.
The birthday party are being discussed by the production that WRP has. Not along with Phil or BVM. It was posted several paragraphs there that Phil DID NOT INTERACT WITH ANYONE ELSE EXCEPT BVM... The phrase "traveling with Phil/BVM/Tammy/Victor" is used as a function of noun (Indirect Object?), but the main subject in the paragraph above are the CREW AND SUCH (PRODUCTION).
Post by: Moo on April 02, 2009, 07:14:45 PM
did we see J/C or M/L get on the same flight to Hawaii as T/V?
i don't remember reading that, but i could be mistaken
if they are susposed to be on the same flight, and since we don't have any spoilers of C/J or M/L getting on the T/V flight, I think that T/V being decoys is still a major possibility
We actually don't see them all together in a flight - based on the spoiler, but who knows? This is a rare occurrence that we actually get to see Phil and every team on the same airport and on the same time.Phil's usually ahead by 12 hours to a day, in this case, they'll be racing as the teams themselves race unless production halts teams for racing at the Honolulu-Maui airport.
T/V may or may not be decoys, but I'm lining with that they're not decoys...
Post by: littlewop on April 03, 2009, 08:44:01 AM
Are we absolutely positive that the person who gave RFF the spoiler is 100% reliable? Remember that we had spoilers about the deaf "girl" in the race, I believe it was Jen, that they had pictures to support and everything. If they are indeed decoys, why have them travel with production? Kind of gives it away.
:duno:
When I questioned the spoiler, it was not meant as "this person lied, or fabricated something" but rather could it have been a case of mistaken identity? I'd have felt better if there were pictures included. Plus decoys or not, I still can't see Phil & co. traveling with the racers. Not much of a decoy if you are with production.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 03, 2009, 09:12:37 AM
Post by: littlewop on April 03, 2009, 09:35:33 AM
I don't think we were saying you implied that, LW, it just got us to thinking again. With no episode this week, we have a lot of time to speculate.
Tell me about the speculation...I'm going crazy. I am in a fantasy game, and my pick for winner is Tammy & Victor...so I just keep hoping the spoilers are wrong for that reason...LOL
:groan:
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 03, 2009, 01:00:31 PM
Post by: Zack. on April 03, 2009, 02:06:31 PM
Though I think it's more likely that the three we saw are our final three (and that there's probably bunching involved at some point).
Post by: apskip on April 03, 2009, 02:49:28 PM
Post by: Zack. on April 03, 2009, 11:27:54 PM
That bunching is not going to occur in Honolulu as flights to Kahului, Maui are about 3 every hour. It has to happen if at all (and it always does for an Amazing Race finale unless a team is way behind) in Tokyo-Narita airport since doing it in Beijing does not accomplish much unless it is again done in Narita.
There could always be bunching within Honolulu (a RI with hours of operation) to make sure all the teams are on even footing (especially considering that there isn't an intermediate destination and that East Asia - Hawaii is well connected compared to other finale legs (Moscow - Portland for example). Given that the teams are slated to arrive in Honolulu in the morning, I don't think this is entirely out of the question (plus it allows for the teams to be together heading to Maui).
Post by: apskip on April 04, 2009, 07:00:20 AM
With the continuous schedule of flights to Kahului (actually only sometimes 3 per hour; it averages 2), teams can leave from 520am until 940pm from HNL to Kauhului. Why would they go anywhere outside the airport where they could have been spotted?
There is a possibility I have discovered. It is flights to Maui-Kapala airport, a much less busy one. There are only four 30 minute flights on Saturdays(like Nov.22):
0700
0950
1135
1645
If they went there then all teams could be bunched on HA3852 the 0950 flight arriving 1022. Since that allows for a more orderly transfer of cameras, sound equipment, etc., it does had some sense vs. the pell-mell rush to the next Kahului flight.
Post by: Kiwi Jay on April 04, 2009, 04:05:04 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on April 04, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
Cara and Jamie were with camera's! On camera. I dont think they were decoys!
Decoys are filmed too, kiwi., so you can't use that to judge.
zackattack308,
With the continuous schedule of flights to Kahului (actually only sometimes 3 per hour; it averages 2), teams can leave from 520am until 940pm from HNL to Kauhului. Why would they go anywhere outside the airport where they could have been spotted?
There is a possibility I have discovered. It is flights to Maui-Kapala airport, a much less busy one. There are only four 30 minute flights on Saturdays(like Nov.22):
0700
0950
1135
1645
If they went there then all teams could be bunched on HA3852 the 0950 flight arriving 1022. Since that allows for a more orderly transfer of cameras, sound equipment, etc., it does had some sense vs. the pell-mell rush to the next Kahului flight.
Which airport is closer to the known Pitstop?? I know there will be things in between, but maybe that will help??
I keep thinking of AllStars when they used the helicopters (charter) not scheduled flights...
Post by: Belle Book on April 04, 2009, 05:48:34 PM
What if the converse is true (probably not, but humor me)? Couldn't T/V be in the F3, but M/L and C/J be decoys? Mark/Mel went to sequester so it's a good chance that 5th and 4th are decoys. And from what I've heard in prior seasons, decoys fly together/travel together (TARAS had the Chas, U/J and Guido on one flight, TAR12 had the Goths and Az/Hendi together in Japan).
Though I think it's more likely that the three we saw are our final three (and that there's probably bunching involved at some point).
I think that Cara & Jamie and Margie & Luke are two of the final 3 at least. Why would their alliance be featured so much if something didn't come out of it? Tammy & Victor may be a decoy but may not be.
BTW, it was Mel & Mike, not Mark, that went to sequester.
Belle Book
Post by: apskip on April 04, 2009, 10:03:46 PM
Cara and Jamie were with camera's! On camera. I dont think they were decoys!
Decoys are filmed too, kiwi., so you can't use that to judge.zackattack308,
With the continuous schedule of flights to Kahului (actually only sometimes 3 per hour; it averages 2), teams can leave from 520am until 940pm from HNL to Kauhului. Why would they go anywhere outside the airport where they could have been spotted?
There is a possibility I have discovered. It is flights to Maui-Kapalua airport, a much less busy one. There are only four 30 minute flights on Saturdays(like Nov.22):
0700
0950
1135
1645
If they went there then all teams could be bunched on HA3852 the 0950 flight arriving 1022. Since that allows for a more orderly transfer of cameras, sound equipment, etc., it does had some sense vs. the pell-mell rush to the next Kahului flight.
Which airport is closer to the known Pitstop?? I know there will be things in between, but maybe that will help??
I keep thinking of AllStars when they used the helicopters (charter) not scheduled flights...
There is no contest here, although I don't know how relevant this is due to the way that finale tend to have many interesting tasks. The distance from Kahului aiport to Wailuku, which is very close to the Kapili golf course, is 6 miles. The distance from Kapalua (note the correction of my earlier spelling error)airport to Wailuku is 33 miles.
Post by: DrRox on April 04, 2009, 10:40:40 PM
Post by: apskip on April 05, 2009, 07:14:06 AM
When I was there at Haleakala National Park, going down into the volcano was only by foot. The 37 mile bicycle ride is along the outside edge of the volcano.
Post by: DrRox on April 05, 2009, 10:09:35 AM
Dr. Rox,
When I was there at Haleakala National Park, going down into the volcano was only by foot. The 37 mile bicycle ride is along the outside edge of the volcano.
I don't think I said or even implied that the bicycle ride was "inside" the volcano. The bicycle ride is down the "outside" of the volcano, as you well know.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 05, 2009, 11:01:13 AM
Post by: Snooky on April 05, 2009, 06:25:50 PM
Although inside the volcano during an eruption might be cool. :lol:
Then they wouldn't air this season!
:funny:
Post by: Hooky on April 07, 2009, 08:44:45 PM
Although inside the volcano during an eruption might be cool. :lol:
Then they wouldn't air this season!
:funny:
:nono2: , CBS!
Post by: DrRox on April 08, 2009, 09:27:41 AM
Post by: amazing_hey on April 09, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
If that really happen, J/C/M/L can be named U-turn alliance~
Post by: Ashe on April 09, 2009, 11:23:42 AM
I am guessing J/C will U-TURN T/V if they get ahead of them in china~I won't be surprised at all if that happens. Remember Margie and Jaime's confessionals saying they don't think they can trust Victor? I do have a feeling that's gonna be addressed again, possibly on the first Beijing leg, and that it'll be one of the main reasons Jaime & Cara U-Turn Tammy & Victor (since Margie & Luke can't, having used theirs already on Amanda & Kris). That, and them being a generally strong team, of course.
If that really happen, J/C/M/L can be named U-turn alliance~
Post by: Ruth on April 09, 2009, 12:47:27 PM
Post by: Hooky on April 09, 2009, 04:28:43 PM
^^ Yeah, I won't be surprised too, if that happens. And if the U-turn is on an elimination leg, perhaps Tammy and Victor are really going out at fourth.
Perhaps this will be one of the few times a team makes the right decision with the Yields/U-turns! That would be interesting to watch!
Post by: Ashe on April 09, 2009, 05:40:08 PM
^^ Yeah, I won't be surprised too, if that happens. And if the U-turn is on an elimination leg, perhaps Tammy and Victor are really going out at fourth.No, I think it'll be on the first Beijing leg, an NEL, and then Tammy & Victor may get Speed Bumped out of the race on the final elimination leg, the second Beijing leg.
Unless, of course, I'm completely wrong and Tammy & Victor totally run the table the entire rest of the race and make this season as big of an anticlimax as TAR13 turned out to be.
Post by: Belle Book on April 09, 2009, 06:31:04 PM
^^ Yeah, I won't be surprised too, if that happens. And if the U-turn is on an elimination leg, perhaps Tammy and Victor are really going out at fourth.
Perhaps this will be one of the few times a team makes the right decision with the Yields/U-turns! That would be interesting to watch!
Well, Margie & Luke also made the right decision with the U-Turn, but yeah it would also be a time when a team made the right decision if Cara & Jamie used it on Tammy & Victor.
And incidentally, I agree with Ashe that Cara & Jamie will U-Turn Tammy & Victor on the non-elimination leg, while the Speed Bump ultimately takes the brother & sister out of the race (kind of like what happened in my Fantasy Amazing Race when Heather & Karen U-Turned Dylan & Jason, although my episode was a TBC leg and didn't have the Speed Bump).
Belle Book
Post by: Ashe on April 09, 2009, 10:34:31 PM
That was only speculation, though. I admit I could totally be wrong, though I could see what I threw out there actually happening.^^ Yeah, I won't be surprised too, if that happens. And if the U-turn is on an elimination leg, perhaps Tammy and Victor are really going out at fourth.
Perhaps this will be one of the few times a team makes the right decision with the Yields/U-turns! That would be interesting to watch!
Well, Margie & Luke also made the right decision with the U-Turn, but yeah it would also be a time when a team made the right decision if Cara & Jamie used it on Tammy & Victor.
And incidentally, I agree with Ashe that Cara & Jamie will U-Turn Tammy & Victor on the non-elimination leg, while the Speed Bump ultimately takes the brother & sister out of the race (kind of like what happened in my Fantasy Amazing Race when Heather & Karen U-Turned Dylan & Jason, although my episode was a TBC leg and didn't have the Speed Bump).
Belle Book
Post by: Snooky on April 10, 2009, 09:13:45 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on April 10, 2009, 09:46:36 AM
Post by: Ashe on April 10, 2009, 04:04:30 PM
Post by: DrRox on April 10, 2009, 05:23:19 PM
Post by: Ashe on April 10, 2009, 05:45:47 PM
Hold you horses there Ashe. That source you cited ALWAYS says one team is eliminated. They have said it in the past when it was actually a NEL. It is their standard copy. Rather than saying that an elimination is a FACT, would be much better to say that Zap2it.com reports that is it an elimination.I'll believe there's no elimination when I see it, thank you.
Post by: Hooky on April 10, 2009, 06:08:13 PM
A U-Turn being used on T/V remains complete speculation at this point.
We know. We're just enjoying a nice dream... :pfight: :zz:
Post by: georgiapeach on April 10, 2009, 06:20:09 PM
A U-Turn being used on T/V remains complete speculation at this point.
We know. We're just enjoying a nice dream... :pfight: :zz:
Heee...just be sure to identify it as speculation and not fact, okay? Otherwise the next thing you know we are reading elsewhere that "RFF says T/V get U-turned in China and are eliminated", see? Of course, that would be completely untrue as far as we know right now.
Post by: georgiapeach on April 10, 2009, 06:26:10 PM
Hold you horses there Ashe. That source you cited ALWAYS says one team is eliminated. They have said it in the past when it was actually a NEL. It is their standard copy. Rather than saying that an elimination is a FACT, would be much better to say that Zap2it.com reports that is it an elimination.
Thank you DrRox, you are completely correct.
Post by: Ashe on April 10, 2009, 06:28:45 PM
And as I said before, I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I don't.Hold you horses there Ashe. That source you cited ALWAYS says one team is eliminated. They have said it in the past when it was actually a NEL. It is their standard copy. Rather than saying that an elimination is a FACT, would be much better to say that Zap2it.com reports that is it an elimination.
Thank you DrRox, you are completely correct.
Post by: Hooky on April 10, 2009, 06:32:45 PM
That good enough? :funny:
Post by: georgiapeach on April 10, 2009, 06:52:39 PM
Works for me!! ;D
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 10, 2009, 07:36:56 PM
I wrote a statement in a spoiler thread saying (and if you know 24, you'll know what I'm referring to), "Jack will throw Paul Raines' (dead) body into Marwan's bunker in an attempt to smoke him out." I thought this was so preposterous that no one would think it could be a real spoiler. Forum regulars knew that I was joking. However, it boomeranged on me when some people actually believed it and quoted it in the official Fox 24 forums as fact. Two seasons later, forum newbies were writing, "I had read that Paul Raines spoiler... what happened to it..." I had to explain that I had written it as a joke every time someone mentioned it. So even if you're speculating or joking (no matter how many smileys you put after it), someone may take your speculation and run with it.
Post by: Jobby on April 11, 2009, 03:05:13 AM
And as I said before, I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I don't.Hold you horses there Ashe. That source you cited ALWAYS says one team is eliminated. They have said it in the past when it was actually a NEL. It is their standard copy. Rather than saying that an elimination is a FACT, would be much better to say that Zap2it.com reports that is it an elimination.
Thank you DrRox, you are completely correct.
Quote
Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
:funny: Nevermind if you don't get it.
Post by: Jobby on April 11, 2009, 03:09:36 AM
Post by: Hooky on April 11, 2009, 10:54:47 PM
Charla and Mirna makes a cameo at the finish line of TAR 14, that i'm pretty sure off.
EEEECK! I hope not!
THIS IS STILL SPECULATION :funny:
Post by: ready2rock on April 12, 2009, 01:32:42 AM
Post by: DrRox on April 12, 2009, 08:52:53 PM
Hold you horses there Ashe. That source you cited ALWAYS says one team is eliminated. They have said it in the past when it was actually a NEL. It is their standard copy. Rather than saying that an elimination is a FACT, would be much better to say that Zap2it.com reports that is it an elimination.I'll believe there's no elimination when I see it, thank you.
I guess you are a believer now, eh?
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 12, 2009, 08:53:32 PM
Post by: Ashe on April 12, 2009, 10:12:34 PM
Fine. Yes, I am.Hold you horses there Ashe. That source you cited ALWAYS says one team is eliminated. They have said it in the past when it was actually a NEL. It is their standard copy. Rather than saying that an elimination is a FACT, would be much better to say that Zap2it.com reports that is it an elimination.I'll believe there's no elimination when I see it, thank you.
I guess you are a believer now, eh?
Post by: amazing_hey on April 13, 2009, 07:50:17 AM
Cheerleaders suffer Taxi problem in china and eliminated at 5th, M/M survive!
Magrie Luke lost alli and were U-turned and eliminated at 4th!
LOL, Then F3 will be Brothers & Sisters, Sisters Win :sucks[Kisha Jen Tammy], Brothers Lose :meow:[Victor, M/M] :umn:
I am trying to go against the spoilers we have right now :P
Post by: Ashe on April 13, 2009, 09:42:52 AM
Speculation:Wow. That'd be a . . . really awful F3, because it'd be too damn obvious Tammy & Victor would win.
Cheerleaders suffer Taxi problem in china and eliminated at 5th, M/M survive!
Magrie Luke lost alli and were U-turned and eliminated at 4th!
LOL, Then F3 will be Brothers & Sisters, Sisters Win :sucks[Kisha Jen Tammy], Brothers Lose :meow:[Victor, M/M] :umn:
I am trying to go against the spoilers we have right now :P
Post by: DrRox on April 13, 2009, 03:08:18 PM
We were flying on an Air China/ANA code share from Beijing to Tokyo on the 21st of November, flight later ID’d as CA925/NH5702 0930-1350.
At the terminal we discovered we had ended up on the same flight as the cheerleaders (Cara/Jaime) and the Mom/son (Margie/Luke).
Once we got on the plane, ...... I don't honestly remember much else aside from the fact that the cheerleaders were glad another team was fighting and said as much to the Mom/son team.
So, which is the "other team fighting"? Is it Kisha/Jen or Tammy/Victor?
We then came across Phil at the JAL transfer desk in Tokyo. He was actually traveling with Tammy/Victor and BVM. insert: They were ahead of us in line. I do recall Victor was very nice to the crew and was trying to get the crew members window seats to sleep by, to their next destination...Honolulu. They did film them at the counter if I recall.
The crew and such traveling with Phil/BVM/Tammy/Victor were considerably nicer than the ones on her flight
I don't see anything in her statements to suggest that T/V were fighting, either amongst themselves or with another team, at all. Quite the contrary, Victor's demeanor seems quit calm and reserved from her observations. To me, the "other team fighting" is probably much more likely to be Kisha/Jen, especially from the previews for Episode 9. Add the fact that T/V are on the same exact flight with PK/BVM, when there are so many flights to Hawaii, at the same basic times, it just "ain't right" if they are racing. With so many flights, I just think that TPTB would "prohibit" travel on the same flight with the big wigs, in the travel instructions, ie "You may not use JAL flight xxxx."
So this is MY SPECULATION only and only MINE.
Margie/Luke, Jamie/Cara and Kisha/Jen for Final 3 and Tammy/Victor for a decoy team.
What is really amazing to me, is how two 6'+ slender, young, attractive, American black females can go from Romania to Hawaii, without apparently being noticed or seen. They really have flown UNDER THE RADAR. Four years of NCAA sports conditioning and stamina is starting to show through. If K/J stop making mental mistakes and it is close at the finish line, I can certainly see them outrunning J/C. They might not outrun Luke, but THEY only have to outrun Margie.
(Puddin and Peach: Did I make that clear enough?)
(Edited spelling, grammar, and a brain fart. Added to conclusion)
Post by: Ashe on April 13, 2009, 06:18:15 PM
So this is MY SPECULATION only and only MINE.Yep. I think this is it, too. If this ends up being the second time two women's teams make the F3, I'll have a complete orgasm that'll be heard from miles away. An orgasm to end all orgasms.
Margie/Luke, Jamie/Cara and Kisha/Jen for Final 3 and Tammy/Victor for a decoy team.
What is really amazing to me, is how two 6'+ slender, young, attractive, American black females can go from Romania to Hawaii, without apparently being noticed or seen. They really have flown UNDER THE RADAR.
(Puddin and Peach: Did I make that clear enough?)
Plus, with the upcoming Margie & Luke/Kisha & Jen feud, it seems likely their teams do make the F3. So it'll be interesting to see if that does indeed come to fruition.
Post by: Belle Book on April 13, 2009, 06:48:22 PM
We were flying on an Air China/ANA code share from Beijing to Tokyo on the 21st of November, flight later ID’d as CA925/NH5702 0930-1350.
At the terminal we discovered we had ended up on the same flight as the cheerleaders (Cara/Jaime) and the Mom/son (Margie/Luke).
Once we got on the plane, ...... I don't honestly remember much else aside from the fact that the cheerleaders were glad another team was fighting and said as much to the Mom/son team.
So, which is the "other team fighting"? Is it Kisha/Jen or Tammy/Victor?
We then came across Phil at the JAL transfer desk in Tokyo. He was actually traveling with Tammy/Victor and BVM. insert: They were ahead of us in line. I do recall Victor was very nice to the crew and was trying to get the crew members window seats to sleep by, to their next destination...Honolulu. They did film them at the counter if I recall.
The crew and such traveling with Phil/BVM/Tammy/Victor were considerably nicer than the ones on her flight
I don't see anything in her statements to suggest that T/V were fighting, either amongst themselves or with another team, at all. Quite the contrary, Victor's demeanor seems quit calm and reserved from her observations. To me, the "other team fighting" is probably much more likely to be Kisha/Jen, especially from the previews for Episode 9. Add the fact that T/V are on the same exact flight with PK/BVM, when there are so many flights to Hawii, at the same basic times, just "ain't right" if they are racing. With so many flights, I just think that TPTB would "prohibit" travel on the same flight with the big wigs, in the travel instructions, ie "You may not use JAL flight xxxx."
So this is MY SPECULATION only and only MINE.
Margie/Luke, Jamie/Cara and Kisha/Jen for Final 3 and Tammy/Victor for a decoy team.
What is really amazing to me, is how two 6'+ slender, young, attractive, American black females can go from Romania to Hawaii, without apparently being noticed or seen. They really have flown UNDER THE RADAR.
(Puddin and Peach: Did I make that clear enough?)
I agree with you -- Cara & Jamie, LaKisha & Jen and Margie & Luke make the Final 3, leaving Tammy & Victor and Mark & Michael out of luck. I'm not upset about Mark & Michael -- they're idiots of the first order, but I am a little sad about Tammy & Victor.
Belle Book
Post by: Max on April 13, 2009, 07:31:45 PM
We were flying on an Air China/ANA code share from Beijing to Tokyo on the 21st of November, flight later ID’d as CA925/NH5702 0930-1350.
At the terminal we discovered we had ended up on the same flight as the cheerleaders (Cara/Jaime) and the Mom/son (Margie/Luke).
Once we got on the plane, ...... I don't honestly remember much else aside from the fact that the cheerleaders were glad another team was fighting and said as much to the Mom/son team.
So, which is the "other team fighting"? Is it Kisha/Jen or Tammy/Victor?
We then came across Phil at the JAL transfer desk in Tokyo. He was actually traveling with Tammy/Victor and BVM. insert: They were ahead of us in line. I do recall Victor was very nice to the crew and was trying to get the crew members window seats to sleep by, to their next destination...Honolulu. They did film them at the counter if I recall.
The crew and such traveling with Phil/BVM/Tammy/Victor were considerably nicer than the ones on her flight
I don't see anything in her statements to suggest that T/V were fighting, either amongst themselves or with another team, at all. Quite the contrary, Victor's demeanor seems quit calm and reserved from her observations. To me, the "other team fighting" is probably much more likely to be Kisha/Jen, especially from the previews for Episode 9. Add the fact that T/V are on the same exact flight with PK/BVM, when there are so many flights to Hawii, at the same basic times, just "ain't right" if they are racing. With so many flights, I just think that TPTB would "prohibit" travel on the same flight with the big wigs, in the travel instructions, ie "You may not use JAL flight xxxx."
So this is MY SPECULATION only and only MINE.
Margie/Luke, Jamie/Cara and Kisha/Jen for Final 3 and Tammy/Victor for a decoy team.
What is really amazing to me, is how two 6'+ slender, young, attractive, American black females can go from Romania to Hawaii, without apparently being noticed or seen. They really have flown UNDER THE RADAR.
(Puddin and Peach: Did I make that clear enough?)
I agree with you -- Cara & Jamie, LaKisha & Jen and Margie & Luke make the Final 3, leaving Tammy & Victor and Mark & Michael out of luck. I'm not upset about Mark & Michael -- they're idiots of the first order, but I am a little sad about Tammy & Victor.
Belle Book
I think it a little much to be saying they are idiots of the first order. Give credit where credit is due. They have raced well enough to secure their current positions. They may have been a little over the top, but they are certainly not idiotic. (Remember editing is everything) That being said, I'm not sure if they will recover from the penalty imposed.
Post by: Ashe on April 13, 2009, 08:27:52 PM
I don't agree. Twice, they should've gone home. They've only been saved by Christie & Jodi's incompetent driver first getting lost in India, then stopping for gas. (And the Speed Bump didn't help, either.) Second, this past leg's performance should've been elimination-worthy, and it wasn't only because it was the standard NEL.We were flying on an Air China/ANA code share from Beijing to Tokyo on the 21st of November, flight later ID’d as CA925/NH5702 0930-1350.
At the terminal we discovered we had ended up on the same flight as the cheerleaders (Cara/Jaime) and the Mom/son (Margie/Luke).
Once we got on the plane, ...... I don't honestly remember much else aside from the fact that the cheerleaders were glad another team was fighting and said as much to the Mom/son team.
So, which is the "other team fighting"? Is it Kisha/Jen or Tammy/Victor?
We then came across Phil at the JAL transfer desk in Tokyo. He was actually traveling with Tammy/Victor and BVM. insert: They were ahead of us in line. I do recall Victor was very nice to the crew and was trying to get the crew members window seats to sleep by, to their next destination...Honolulu. They did film them at the counter if I recall.
The crew and such traveling with Phil/BVM/Tammy/Victor were considerably nicer than the ones on her flight
I don't see anything in her statements to suggest that T/V were fighting, either amongst themselves or with another team, at all. Quite the contrary, Victor's demeanor seems quit calm and reserved from her observations. To me, the "other team fighting" is probably much more likely to be Kisha/Jen, especially from the previews for Episode 9. Add the fact that T/V are on the same exact flight with PK/BVM, when there are so many flights to Hawii, at the same basic times, just "ain't right" if they are racing. With so many flights, I just think that TPTB would "prohibit" travel on the same flight with the big wigs, in the travel instructions, ie "You may not use JAL flight xxxx."
So this is MY SPECULATION only and only MINE.
Margie/Luke, Jamie/Cara and Kisha/Jen for Final 3 and Tammy/Victor for a decoy team.
What is really amazing to me, is how two 6'+ slender, young, attractive, American black females can go from Romania to Hawaii, without apparently being noticed or seen. They really have flown UNDER THE RADAR.
(Puddin and Peach: Did I make that clear enough?)
I agree with you -- Cara & Jamie, LaKisha & Jen and Margie & Luke make the Final 3, leaving Tammy & Victor and Mark & Michael out of luck. I'm not upset about Mark & Michael -- they're idiots of the first order, but I am a little sad about Tammy & Victor.
Belle Book
I think it a little much to be saying they are idiots of the first order. Give credit where credit is due. They have raced well enough to secure their current positions. They may have been a little over the top, but they are certainly not idiotic. (Remember editing is everything) That being said, I'm not sure if they will recover from the penalty imposed.
It'll be interesting to see if they are, in fact, way too far behind. I suspect the editors left in Phil telling them that they'd be so far behind everyone for a reason -- that they are insurmountably far behind and have no chance to catch up.
Post by: apskip on April 13, 2009, 09:49:00 PM
Post by: goodyingbadyang on April 13, 2009, 09:56:14 PM
What I also found interesting is all this talk about Victor and Tammy's horrible Romania leg. They just won't let us forget that a team can go from the top of the pack to the bottom. What does this spell out? A Victor and Tammy elimination of course. (or a last placement on a non-elimination is possible too)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 13, 2009, 09:59:22 PM
There is the remote possibility that Guilin may be the second of two consecutive NELs. In that case Mark and Michael could make it to Beijing.If they go 10 hours behind the 4th place team in the next leg as speculated, they might as well go home. It's possible they could make up time, but it's awfully hard as the race stands now.
They'll need a lot of help and some bunching.
Post by: DavidJunior on April 13, 2009, 10:39:47 PM
i wholeheartedly believe they fully deserve that title
and they've technically been spared 3 times on this race (don't forget that if M/L didn't u-turn Amanda/Kris, Mark/Michael probably would've gone home then)
and there have been plenty of races where bumbling idiots have made it a lot farther than they honestly deserved
(Dandrew last season, Kami/Karli of season 5, and in my opinion Nick/Don [esp. after they beat out Nate/Jen (:;) ])
Post by: DavidJunior on April 13, 2009, 10:47:53 PM
not one, but 2 penalties, on two consecutive legs!
i think it's something more than a little slip up, they are constantly making stupid mistakes
and they're mistakes seem to be getting worse as they get farther along in the race
Post by: Moo on April 14, 2009, 05:42:55 AM
With Mark/Michael's penalties + their speedbump alongside the little snippet from the preview showing us three (supposedly) safe teams checking in together they are practically doomed this next leg.
What I also found interesting is all this talk about Victor and Tammy's horrible Romania leg. They just won't let us forget that a team can go from the top of the pack to the bottom. What does this spell out? A Victor and Tammy elimination of course. (or a last placement on a non-elimination is possible too)
I'm quite sad, but IM SPECULATING... :'( :'( :'( It's quite sad!! I don't want them gone...
Tammy and Victor does go out fourth... I agree with the bits and pieces of information everyone has posted. They keep on Reminding the Romania leg was the final touch (not unless they keep on reminding it for us to tell us that they won't win, etc. by now, I THINK TPTB already know us fans have a lot of idea with the final 3 teams - so they might play with us and throw off all our speculations... )
But then...
The insider vids show how great T/V (well Victor is) conversing Mandarin or whatever Chinese is that, making fewer choices of their elimination possible, They've been to Beijing only months before the race filmed (based on an interview) and Bejing is a more of Mandarin speaking country...
The only thing that keeps me boggled is the U-TURN. I SPECULATE it's either Jaime/Cara or Kisha/Jen would use the U-TURN on either Tammy/Victor (iff Jaime and Cara) or Luke and Margie (iff Kisha/Jen)
:)
Post by: amazing_hey on April 14, 2009, 08:20:09 AM
Speculation:Wow. That'd be a . . . really awful F3, because it'd be too damn obvious Tammy & Victor would win.
Cheerleaders suffer Taxi problem in china and eliminated at 5th, M/M survive!
Magrie Luke lost alli and were U-turned and eliminated at 4th!
LOL, Then F3 will be Brothers & Sisters, Sisters Win :sucks[Kisha Jen Tammy], Brothers Lose :meow:[Victor, M/M] :umn:
I am trying to go against the spoilers we have right now :P
I guess Sisters can beat Tammy Victor....
M/M seems like a 3rd team like the past season to me...yes...rebecca adam, dandrew, Nick Don, Lyn Karlyn....
I guess what we are sure is either the alliance both is Final 3 or Both is out of final 3.....
I am hoping the NEL is on leg 11, so we will see a speed bump in the final leg, lol, it will be funny to slow the speedbump in front of the finish line :P
Post by: Ruth on April 14, 2009, 12:40:52 PM
1. Cara and Jaime
2. Margie and Luke
3. Kisha and Jen
But I'm still holding on to some hope that Tammy and Victor make the final three... Hee.
Post by: Ashe on April 14, 2009, 01:29:18 PM
Frankly, I hope it's the latter scenario, as Tammy & Victor being in the F3 with Kisha & Jen and Mark & Michael would be WAY too much of an anticlimax. Even more of one than last season's F3. If it is the latter scenario, then I think it'll go like this:
1st: Margie & Luke/Kisha & Jen
2nd: Kisha & Jen/Margie & Luke
3rd: Jaime & Cara
. . . With Jaime & Cara in third possibly (and this is only speculation) because Jaime's taxicab driver treatment karma comes back to bite her sometime on the final leg, and one driver refuses service to her and Cara. Margie & Luke and Kisha & Jen, based on the upcoming scuffle and subsequent feud, fight it out for the top two spots instead.
Post by: Hooky on April 14, 2009, 05:19:50 PM
I dare not hope it, but I think Tammy & Victor are out in fourth. But! Next week's preview has no sign of Jaime & Cara, so there is a very slight possibility that something awful happens to them and then Margie & Luke are out after that. But I also think that Mark & Michael are as good as gone now. It's too bad because I thought they would be different than they have turned out.
Post by: FLFan on April 14, 2009, 05:34:12 PM
. . . With Jaime & Cara in third possibly (and this is only speculation) because Jaime's taxicab driver treatment karma comes back to bite her sometime on the final leg, and one driver refuses service to her and Cara. Margie & Luke and Kisha & Jen, based on the upcoming scuffle and subsequent feud, fight it out for the top two spots instead.
The final leg is in Hawaii. Jaime shouldn't have taxi-cab language issues on the final leg, unless it is during the final taxi-cab ride from the departure point to the airport. However, since she is with M/L during the flight, I don't think she has any final leg taxi-cab issues.
However, I can see her having several meltdowns during the next three legs in China.
Susan
Post by: DrRox on April 14, 2009, 08:48:31 PM
Post by: FLFan on April 14, 2009, 10:07:10 PM
I bet that Jamie would have taxi cab problems on Calle Ocho in her hometown.
Actually, I think Jaime is just suffering from an accumulation of too much non-English. She was mostly ok in the beginning, but her temperament has gotten progressively worse each eposide. Of course, the escalation could just be editing and she was really nasty at the start.
I just found a you-tube clip that may shed some light on the issue. Apparently Jaime gets carsick. So between nausea and failure to communicate, Jaime is not a happy traveler. Why someone that gets car sick and can't deal with non-English wanted to travel the world is beyond me!
Post by: DavidJunior on April 15, 2009, 02:02:22 AM
I bet that Jamie would have taxi cab problems on Calle Ocho in her hometown.
Actually, I think Jaime is just suffering from an accumulation of too much non-English. She was mostly ok in the beginning, but her temperament has gotten progressively worse each eposide. Of course, the escalation could just be editing and she was really nasty at the start.
I just found a you-tube clip that may shed some light on the issue. Apparently Jaime gets carsick. So between nausea and failure to communicate, Jaime is not a happy traveler. Why someone that gets car sick and can't deal with non-English wanted to travel the world is beyond me!
i think it was a bit less of a problem for jaime in the first few legs because they were in europe through leg 3, and in western europe in the first
two (where there tend to be a lot more fluent english speakers than in india, thailand, china, or siberia)
also, in the first few legs (including leg 5), the teams drove themselves a lot more
many countries in europe are almost completely paved roads (including siberia), the other countries, not so much
now (leg 6,7, 8, and prob. 9) they have had to rely on taxi cab drivers who know a butchered form of english at best, while on mainly unpaved, or poorly paved roads.
so, if this was a race that went solely through europe, where teams had to rely on their own driving abilities more than that of a taxi cab driver, i think jaime would be having a wonderful time, and have a lot friendlier demeanor
but, since its not, i think jaime just needs to suck it up in these last couple legs, and stop being so hostile
Post by: Moo on April 15, 2009, 05:56:53 AM
Good point on the Romania leg! I never thought about that idea. CBS certainly has been messing with our heads a whole lot better than last season.
I dare not hope it, but I think Tammy & Victor are out in fourth. But! Next week's preview has no sign of Jaime & Cara, so there is a very slight possibility that something awful happens to them and then Margie & Luke are out after that. But I also think that Mark & Michael are as good as gone now. It's too bad because I thought they would be different than they have turned out.
I quite feel that it's everybody's ball game right now. Given that T/V comes in 4th, why must CBS give clues and keep on reminding Romania - IN EVERY FREAKIN' EPISODE and INSIDERS?? It seems like too much of a give away that they reach 4th only - just like everyone's thinking right now. Could they be in the final 3 and end up third?
There are a whole lot of points and contentions here, which makes so much of a jigsaw. CBS, WRP and TPTB must be laughing their asses out right now because of all of us arguing giving out our points and can't actually make a good general idea of how is this show going to end...
Post by: eragon on April 15, 2009, 06:06:55 AM
Post by: ImANewUser on April 15, 2009, 06:18:36 AM
Tammy/Victor could be U-Turned for being a threat next leg and end up in 4th for failing to catch up on Beijing 2.
Jaime/Cara could end up having more language issues and end up in 4th.
Kisha/Jen could make a Bangkok-like fatal mistake and end up in 4th.
Margie/Luke could produce more conflict and get U-Turned, end up in 4th for failing to catch up on Beijing 2.
Post by: Moo on April 15, 2009, 07:10:54 AM
I actually have no clue as to who goes in 4th. I almost sense that Mark/Mike are next to go, but for 4th:
Tammy/Victor could be U-Turned for being a threat next leg and end up in 4th for failing to catch up on Beijing 2.
Jaime/Cara could end up having more language issues and end up in 4th.
Kisha/Jen could make a Bangkok-like fatal mistake and end up in 4th.
Margie/Luke could produce more conflict and get U-Turned, end up in 4th for failing to catch up on Beijing 2.
I could see T/V being u-turned or luck as the only reason why they will be eliminated. Victor and Tammy are very good in Chinese based on the Insider videos.
Post by: Belle Book on April 15, 2009, 03:43:53 PM
I actually have no clue as to who goes in 4th. I almost sense that Mark/Mike are next to go, but for 4th:
Tammy/Victor could be U-Turned for being a threat next leg and end up in 4th for failing to catch up on Beijing 2.
Jaime/Cara could end up having more language issues and end up in 4th.
Kisha/Jen could make a Bangkok-like fatal mistake and end up in 4th.
Margie/Luke could produce more conflict and get U-Turned, end up in 4th for failing to catch up on Beijing 2.
Since Cara & Jamie and Margie & Luke were spotted on the same plane, I'm assuming that neither one winds up in fourth. I think it's between Tammy & Victor being U-Turned and possibly getting further bad luck in Beijing or LaKisha & Jen making a fatal mistake for the fourth place position. Since Tammy & Victor were spotted in the same area (at least) as Phil and the executive producer, I'm going with Tammy & Victor being U-Turned and maybe having further bad luck, leaving LaKisha & Jen to be in the Final 3.
Belle Book
Post by: Ashe on April 15, 2009, 07:24:17 PM
Unless the three-team pileup on the mat is third through fifth place, and Tammy & Victor are last (which would also explain the title of the next episode -- their parents probably would be unhappy about them being eliminated in the country of their ancestry). Of course, that would mean Mark & Michael catch up again somehow, probably through a bunch-up. And supposedly, they had no chance of doing so (though it hasn't been confirmed that everyone arrived FAR ahead of them, and I'm still waiting for it to be confirmed, since there was more than likely a chance for them to catch up if the flights were in the middle of the night).I actually have no clue as to who goes in 4th. I almost sense that Mark/Mike are next to go, but for 4th:
Tammy/Victor could be U-Turned for being a threat next leg and end up in 4th for failing to catch up on Beijing 2.
Jaime/Cara could end up having more language issues and end up in 4th.
Kisha/Jen could make a Bangkok-like fatal mistake and end up in 4th.
Margie/Luke could produce more conflict and get U-Turned, end up in 4th for failing to catch up on Beijing 2.
Since Cara & Jamie and Margie & Luke were spotted on the same plane, I'm assuming that neither one winds up in fourth. I think it's between Tammy & Victor being U-Turned and possibly getting further bad luck in Beijing or LaKisha & Jen making a fatal mistake for the fourth place position. Since Tammy & Victor were spotted in the same area (at least) as Phil and the executive producer, I'm going with Tammy & Victor being U-Turned and maybe having further bad luck, leaving LaKisha & Jen to be in the Final 3.
Belle Book
Post by: Belle Book on April 15, 2009, 07:34:58 PM
Belle Book
Post by: puddin on April 15, 2009, 07:40:22 PM
Possible, but highly unlikely Ashe, for the simple reason that the eliminated team hasn't said the title in any episode that I remember. Has any eliminated team said the quote that became the title in any season?you decide
Belle Book
a few examples.....
'Bees Are Much Calmer Than All This!'
"I Wonder If They Like Blondes in New Zealand?"
http://epguides.com/AmazingRace/
Post by: apskip on April 15, 2009, 09:44:31 PM
Unless the three-team pileup on the mat is third through fifth place, and Tammy & Victor are last (which would also explain the title of the next episode -- their parents probably would be unhappy about them being eliminated in the country of their ancestry). Of course, that would mean Mark & Michael catch up again somehow, probably through a bunch-up. And supposedly, they had no chance of doing so (though it hasn't been confirmed that everyone arrived FAR ahead of them, and I'm still waiting for it to be confirmed, since there was more than likely a chance for them to catch up if the flights were in the middle of the night).I actually have no clue as to who goes in 4th. I almost sense that Mark/Mike are next to go, but for 4th:
Tammy/Victor could be U-Turned for being a threat next leg and end up in 4th for failing to catch up on Beijing 2.
Jaime/Cara could end up having more language issues and end up in 4th.
Kisha/Jen could make a Bangkok-like fatal mistake and end up in 4th.
Margie/Luke could produce more conflict and get U-Turned, end up in 4th for failing to catch up on Beijing 2.
Since Cara & Jamie and Margie & Luke were spotted on the same plane, I'm assuming that neither one winds up in fourth. I think it's between Tammy & Victor being U-Turned and possibly getting further bad luck in Beijing or LaKisha & Jen making a fatal mistake for the fourth place position. Since Tammy & Victor were spotted in the same area (at least) as Phil and the executive producer, I'm going with Tammy & Victor being U-Turned and maybe having further bad luck, leaving LaKisha & Jen to be in the Final 3.
Belle Book
No such luck, Ashe. All teams except Mark/Michael should be on the morning flight through Macau and arrive that afternoon, then complete their tasks before Mark/Michael ever arrive in Guilin. Their only serious hope is for a second NEL leg, but they would still be so far behind that they should not be able to catch the other teams in Beijing in the remote possibility that it does happen.
Post by: FLFan on April 16, 2009, 12:26:44 AM
The way I see it, M/M are eliminated in the next episode, # 9. M/M don't make the same flight as everyone else due to the 3 hour penalty that has been added to the release time. I think they are so far behind that they aren't even given a chance to do the speed bump. That gives the show more time to concentrate on the mat meltdown. I think J/C may arrive first at the mat this time. According to what I have read here, the mat meltdown appears to be very long. Since you only see K/J, M/L and T/V, I am going to assume that J/C have already checked in and "left". Since dancing or some kind of routine is apparently involved, J/C should have an edge. M/L will finally arrive something beside 1st or 4th. No guess as to which though.
Episode 10 and 11 are both in Beijing. So possibly 10 is a continuation, i.e. no elimination. However, either a U-turn or something else happens in 10 or 11 to cause T/V to fall so far behind that they are eliminated in episode 11. If it is a U-turn, since K/J would probably U-turn M/L, it must be J/C that U-turns T/V since at this moment T/V are the strongest team.
T/V being eliminated is purely based on them being on the same plane as Phil and BVM. I don't see how they would be allowed to travel on the same plane. Phil needs to get there ahead of the other teams to do his set up.
Post by: ImANewUser on April 16, 2009, 12:31:10 AM
SPECULATION!!
The way I see it, M/M are eliminated in the next episode, # 9. M/M don't make the same flight as everyone else due to the 3 hour penalty that has been added to the release time. I think they are so far behind that they aren't even given a chance to do the speed bump. That gives the show more time to concentrate on the mat meltdown. I think J/C may arrive first at the mat this time. According to what I have read here, the mat meltdown appears to be very long. Since you only see K/J, M/L and T/V, I am going to assume that J/C have already checked in and "left". Since dancing or some kind of routine is apparently involved, J/C should have an edge. M/L will finally arrive something beside 1st or 4th. No guess as to which though.
Episode 10 and 11 are both in Beijing. So possibly 10 is a continuation, i.e. no elimination. However, either a U-turn or something else happens in 10 or 11 to cause T/V to fall so far behind that they are eliminated in episode 11. If it is a U-turn, since K/J would probably U-turn M/L, it must be J/C that U-turns T/V since at this moment T/V are the strongest team.
T/V being eliminated is purely based on them being on the same plane as Phil and BVM. I don't see how they would be allowed to travel on the same plane. Phil needs to get there ahead of the other teams to do his set up.
It sounds plausible, but Jaime/Cara could very well end up 4th. I mean, they may do well at the dance, but the locals they may have major issues with, per preview.
Post by: FLFan on April 16, 2009, 12:53:23 AM
SPECULATION!!
It sounds plausible, but Jaime/Cara could very well end up 4th. I mean, they may do well at the dance, but the locals they may have major issues with, per preview.
I considered that. However, the clues imply that Jaime gets frustrated with the dancing judge not understanding her question. Other than that, they should do well with a dance routine. We already know from the Romania episode that most of the others lack the ability to learn a routine quickly and/or are handicapped with a lack of physical co-ordination. Of course, the dance activity may be a detour and the others do something else.
Or J/C could be soooo far behind at 4th, that the mat meltdown is over with before they arrive.
Post by: ImANewUser on April 16, 2009, 12:58:09 AM
SPECULATION!!
It sounds plausible, but Jaime/Cara could very well end up 4th. I mean, they may do well at the dance, but the locals they may have major issues with, per preview.
I considered that. However, the clues imply that Jaime gets frustrated with the dancing judge not understanding her question. Other than that, they should do well with a dance routine. We already know from the Romania episode that most of the others lack the ability to learn a routine quickly and/or are handicapped with a lack of physical co-ordination. Of course, the dance activity may be a detour and the others do something else.
Or J/C could be soooo far behind at 4th, that the mat meltdown is over with before they arrive.
Ya, they can do well with the routine. But the taxis are an issue. I do feel that they're no way in danger, so I don't care much if they're 1st or 4th.
Post by: apskip on April 16, 2009, 06:58:59 AM
Post by: DavidJunior on April 16, 2009, 11:45:22 AM
a possibility for how T/V could get u-turned
M/L make it to the u-turn first, but can't do anything since they already used theirs
that leaves either K/J or C/J using it on T/V
i think K/J would much rather u-turn T/V than C/J, since they are a stronger team
and the same with C/J
Post by: Zack. on April 16, 2009, 02:20:20 PM
Post by: Glamazon Racer on April 16, 2009, 04:38:56 PM
Maybe Tammy & Victor will "do a Dallas"? :funny: :duno:
Post by: jovian_w2002 on April 16, 2009, 04:54:04 PM
This is just a speculation :)
Cheers!
Post by: jovian_w2002 on April 16, 2009, 05:08:49 PM
Post by: Snooky on April 16, 2009, 05:14:11 PM
Also, sorry for a second post, the possibility of a U-Turn in the next leg is great, seeing that M/M has a GREAT disadvantage should there not be one. Maybe C/J gets the U-turn and are sent home?
Just in case you don't know Jovian, they pre-determine the U-turn. And Cara and Jaime were seen on a flight to Hawaii with Margie and Luke.
Post by: apskip on April 16, 2009, 06:37:37 PM
Also, sorry for a second post, the possibility of a U-Turn in the next leg is great, seeing that M/M has a GREAT disadvantage should there not be one. Maybe C/J gets the U-turn and are the decoys?
Also, jovian_w2002, a U-Turn has an impact of about 30 minutes. Mark/Micahel need a much larger chunk of time.
Post by: DrRox on April 19, 2009, 10:05:17 PM
TAR13 and TAR14 have had the same type Mother/Son team, but they are polar opposites to me. Both have missin, unknown fathers, but radically different approaches to parenting. Toni apparently taught Dallas how to play well with others. I don't remember hearing them whine or complain at all. I also don't remember them being deceitful one time. Margie/Luke are constantly using the poor pitiful us overcoming great discrimination and persecution because Luke is deaf and had been picked on his whole life. Luke walking away from the mat in a tantrum just cemented this to me. "I am just going to take my handicap and leave."
As to the Jen/Luke confrontation, just looked like a lot of that generation these days. Both assume they are entitled to "their" way and damned to anyone else.
Post by: scruffs on April 19, 2009, 10:30:48 PM
FINALLY! Bird's Nest Stadium!! And a swimming "Olympic" challenge!! :hearts:
But poor Jen.... :'(
karma karma karma for her
agreed - really not feeling pity for her here
same here,,,
they should not have laugh at Luke....
now Luke and Margie are gonna laugh at them.... :neener:
LOL
Post by: kwando1313 on April 19, 2009, 10:46:48 PM
I agree that karma strikes back for K/J. Also, I think that K/J were not laughing at Luke. She smiles everywhere. Yeah...
Post by: DrRox on April 19, 2009, 11:13:20 PM
Post by: FLFan on April 19, 2009, 11:47:50 PM
Hi I'm new here.
I agree that karma strikes back for K/J. Also, I think that K/J were not laughing at Luke. She smiles everywhere. Yeah...
Karma is really ready to get back at Jen in EP10! EP9 quite clearly shows Jen say that this far into the race she is getting competitive and something about "if she sees someone in front of her, she is going to knock them over". Then later on, after the smackdowns, in reference to M/L, something "pissing them off more, cause I will laugh in their face". Very unChristian attitude on Jen's part. I know this is a race, but.....
Luke is not an angel in EP9 either. He is clearly is ready for payback and gets out of control. However, you can clearly see how mad he is at the mat. His face is so red! He has been a little whiny here and there, but he has certainly carried his weight in the tasks.
My reading of the action at the first clue box is that Jen lived up to her promise to "knock them over". Luke leaned over the clue box to open it and Jen ran into him, then got upset when Luke tried to fend her off.
Post by: Ashe on April 20, 2009, 05:42:01 AM
Quote
My friend, Caryn Bland, she works at a airport in Hawaii.
She said she saw Kisha and Jen there a few months ago. I made her watch the show with me tonight and she said she recognized them.
So 4th place-Tammy/Victor??
http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/sreply/4316465/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/sreply/4316465/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html)
Neobie, puddin, georgiapeach, make of it what you will.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 20, 2009, 06:34:27 AM
Post by: Moo on April 20, 2009, 07:30:32 AM
Getting off episode nine, which is now over, I found a few interesting tidbit from coolboy66 on Sucks:QuoteMy friend, Caryn Bland, she works at a airport in Hawaii.
She said she saw Kisha and Jen there a few months ago. I made her watch the show with me tonight and she said she recognized them.
So 4th place-Tammy/Victor??
http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/sreply/4316465/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/sreply/4316465/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html)
Neobie, puddin, georgiapeach, make of it what you will.
Don't all teams arrive at Hawaii too? :lol: How on earth would the eliminated teams go to the finish line? :lol: It's still vague until the penultimate episode gets aired.
Post by: eragon on April 20, 2009, 07:45:27 AM
Getting off episode nine, which is now over, I found a few interesting tidbit from coolboy66 on Sucks:QuoteMy friend, Caryn Bland, she works at a airport in Hawaii.
She said she saw Kisha and Jen there a few months ago. I made her watch the show with me tonight and she said she recognized them.
So 4th place-Tammy/Victor??
http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/sreply/4316465/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/sreply/4316465/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html)
Neobie, puddin, georgiapeach, make of it what you will.
maybe just running as decoys...
Post by: littlewop on April 20, 2009, 08:47:20 AM
We had reports that Michael and Mark were spotted on a certain flight for this leg, I believe 11:00 PM. After viewing last nights show was that spotting proven correct or a case of misidentification?
Kind of a newbie here, so I am still trying to determine how much faith to put into all these spottings, spoilers and speculations.
Thanks!
Post by: Moo on April 20, 2009, 08:51:29 AM
I apologize if the answer is posted elsewhere, but I've been searching for awhile and can't find it.
We had reports that Michael and Mark were spotted on a certain flight for this leg, I believe 11:00 PM. After viewing last nights show was that spotting proven correct or a case of misidentification?
Kind of a newbie here, so I am still trying to determine how much faith to put into all these spottings, spoilers and speculations.
Thanks!
Hi littlewop!
It's like this, all teams actually went to Guilin and arrived there at night, there was another unaired task at the Folded Brocade Mountains (hours of operation) which completely makes up with what we see as an almost whole nighter trip to the salon. Mark and Michael are seen in Guangzhou meaning they were just going to the Guilin Airport and the city - Just a speculation though!
Post by: puddin on April 20, 2009, 10:46:12 AM
Again, doesn't mean a thing at this point. I do remember in an interview that Preston & Jennifer did saying he was joking with Kisha & Jen at Elimination Station about the time it took him to do the bungy jump. Now, Preston's memory could be sketchy on when that joking took place, but until I hear otherwise, I'm thinking Kisha & Jen are out next.Preston never said that Jennifer or Kisha for that matter joked with him at the ES! All he said was that she laughed for weeks. Gosh ..............
There is no more ES! Mark and Michael did not go as we see on the Insider clips but we already knew that there fore Kisha and Jen never went to ES so that rumor should be squashed .....gosh!
Post by: puddin on April 20, 2009, 10:49:17 AM
I apologize if the answer is posted elsewhere, but I've been searching for awhile and can't find it.Seeing as all teams flew threw Guangzhou I think the odds are good that it was indeed Mark and Michael. The time and date and description matches perfect.
We had reports that Michael and Mark were spotted on a certain flight for this leg, I believe 11:00 PM. After viewing last nights show was that spotting proven correct or a case of misidentification?
Kind of a newbie here, so I am still trying to determine how much faith to put into all these spottings, spoilers and speculations.
Thanks!
Heres the Guangzhou China (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg372354.html#msg372354) airport sighting on November 17th at 11pm :)
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We were in the Guangzhou China airport November 17th around 11pm and saw a team of two caucasian men wearing backpacks running through the airport with a cameraman and producer in tow. They were in the baggage claim area and were in a hurry to find something and stopped at hte information desk to ask directions. The cameraman was working to capture every move. The men were both short and appeared to be related. One had a fanny pack that was visible with red/yellow/back horizontal stripes on it. We went up to them and said "Are you with the Amazing Race?". They said "No", but we are waiting for cast pictures to see if they were telling the truth or not.
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They were both rarther short (5 ft 5 or less my guess) with brownish red hair. They looked like they were related. I think at least one of them wore glasses. They were "thick" build but not fat. They were wearing shorts and tshirts and both had on back packs. They were very much in a hurry and looked stressed. There was a camera man that was filming their every move and a person carrying a microphone that was stuck in front of their faces as well. Hope that helps
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It very well could have been Mark and Michael.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 20, 2009, 10:50:18 AM
Maybe my memory on that was sketchy. :lol:Again, doesn't mean a thing at this point. I do remember in an interview that Preston & Jennifer did saying he was joking with Kisha & Jen at Elimination Station about the time it took him to do the bungy jump. Now, Preston's memory could be sketchy on when that joking took place, but until I hear otherwise, I'm thinking Kisha & Jen are out next.Preston never said that Jennifer or Kisha for that matter joked with him at the ES! All he said was that she laughed for weeks. Gosh ..............
There is no more ES! Mark and Michael did not go as we see on the Insider clips but we already knew that there fore Kisha and Jen never went to ES so that rumor should be squashed .....gosh!
Post by: Hooky on April 20, 2009, 04:55:04 PM
Getting off episode nine, which is now over, I found a few interesting tidbit from coolboy66 on Sucks:maybe just running as decoys...QuoteMy friend, Caryn Bland, she works at a airport in Hawaii.
She said she saw Kisha and Jen there a few months ago. I made her watch the show with me tonight and she said she recognized them.
So 4th place-Tammy/Victor??
http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/sreply/4316465/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/sreply/4316465/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html)
Neobie, puddin, georgiapeach, make of it what you will.
The Kisha & Jen sighting could very well be legit, and I believe it is. But without more information, they could be decoys or really running. They are definitely NOT at ES, so it makes perfect sense to me.
Post by: georgiapeach on April 20, 2009, 05:08:51 PM
For that matter, ALL of the season 14 racers will be in Hawaii as the ES crowd come to await the final three at the Mat. :lol:
Post by: Belle Book on April 20, 2009, 06:46:26 PM
Belle Book
Post by: Ashe on April 20, 2009, 07:00:33 PM
Well, I think LaKisha & Jen will make the Final 3, so Tammy & Victor will be out, sad to say.I agree. It's the only thing that'd make their blossoming feud with Margie & Luke make any sense.
Now, if it does happen, it'll be interesting to how Tammy & Victor screw up so badly.
Post by: Snooky on April 20, 2009, 07:05:36 PM
Well, I think LaKisha & Jen will make the Final 3, so Tammy & Victor will be out, sad to say.I agree. It's the only thing that'd make their blossoming feud with Margie & Luke make any sense.
Now, if it does happen, it'll be interesting to how Tammy & Victor screw up so badly.
Since there isn't very much showing of Tammy and Victor, is it possibe that they come in last and are eliminated on leg 10? I don't see it very likely since they have 2 legs in Beijing back-to-back, but is there stil a slight chance?
Post by: apskip on April 20, 2009, 09:09:03 PM
I apologize if the answer is posted elsewhere, but I've been searching for awhile and can't find it.
We had reports that Michael and Mark were spotted on a certain flight for this leg, I believe 11:00 PM. After viewing last nights show was that spotting proven correct or a case of misidentification?
Kind of a newbie here, so I am still trying to determine how much faith to put into all these spottings, spoilers and speculations.
Thanks!
I thought this had been made clear in my Timelines posting, but it appears maybe not so. Mark/Michael would have arrived in Guanzhou airport at approximately 1030pm(slightly different if you accept Neobie's time for CZ364). The last flight to Guilin was supposed to leave 80 minutes earlier at 910pm(Kisha/Jen's flight) although the delayed flight the others went on left an unknown time later that evening but before 1030pm, so they had no choice but to wait for the morning flight CZ3232 arriving 1040am.
Post by: Moo on April 20, 2009, 09:17:19 PM
Since there isn't very much showing of Tammy and Victor, is it possibe that they come in last and are eliminated on leg 10? I don't see it very likely since they have 2 legs in Beijing back-to-back, but is there still a slight chance?
Speculation:
I won't rely on that though, T/V may have a breeze in Beijing provided with luck. As they are excellent in Mandarin too.
Let's recall Season 12, everyone was sure that Ron/Chris will be eliminated 6th then 5th then 4th, well, what do we know? Surprise surprise! They won 2nd. If we can see too, nothing much happened to Ron and Chris during the last two legs of their season. Mostly, Jen/Nate and TK/Rachel were the ones featured - with Jen/Nate being so disturbed with TK/Rachel and the like, not the other two...
So I think that it's still anyone's ball game at this point. ;D
Post by: CABoSoxFan on April 20, 2009, 10:28:07 PM
"At the terminal we discovered we had ended up on the same flight as the cheerleaders (Cara/Jaime) and the Mom/son (Margie/Luke). To the annoyance of the airline ground staff the film crew kept trying to jump ahead in line and was filming other passengers boarding the plane. I pray my exhausted scowl does not make national television. It would not be an attractive moment to have aired.
...
Those two teams split in a different direction once we left the plane in Tokyo as we went for our (personal info removed) flight and they went to Hawaii (overheard them saying) and they went onward. "
Now, why would C/J and M/L split up? I thought they were in an alliance? Could it possibly be Margie/Luke as a decoy and Lakisha/Jen in the Final 3? Mother and son finish 4th place like Toni/Dallas?
Post by: Ashe on April 20, 2009, 10:38:04 PM
I copied and pasted this from another thread:No, I think the one who spotted them went in a different direction from them. Either that, or they did split because they had different connecting flights.
"At the terminal we discovered we had ended up on the same flight as the cheerleaders (Cara/Jaime) and the Mom/son (Margie/Luke). To the annoyance of the airline ground staff the film crew kept trying to jump ahead in line and was filming other passengers boarding the plane. I pray my exhausted scowl does not make national television. It would not be an attractive moment to have aired.
...
Those two teams split in a different direction once we left the plane in Tokyo as we went for our (personal info removed) flight and they went to Hawaii (overheard them saying) and they went onward. "
Now, why would C/J and M/L split up? I thought they were in an alliance? Could it possibly be Margie/Luke as a decoy and Lakisha/Jen in the Final 3? Mother and son finish 4th place like Toni/Dallas?
Post by: makz3d on April 21, 2009, 01:01:59 AM
While going the opposite direction the spoiler came across T/V, Phil, BVM and production.
Post by: jovian_w2002 on April 21, 2009, 05:06:46 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on April 21, 2009, 05:25:09 AM
The way I read it the spoiler went one way and C/J and M/L went the other way when they got off the plane.
That is correct.
Post by: Ashe on April 21, 2009, 08:40:14 AM
Phil did travel with several teams on the same flight before. If I remember correctly, Lena/Kristy (from Amazing Race 6) mentioned that Phil did travel with them on the same flight to Sweden; however, he was flying business class. (Thats Phil for ya)I don't think he'd fly with the F3 teams on the flight to the final destination city, though. He needs time to get ahead and tape his Detour spots, and then pre-tape his finish line spot.
Post by: Moo on April 21, 2009, 08:45:26 AM
Phil did travel with several teams on the same flight before. If I remember correctly, Lena/Kristy (from Amazing Race 6) mentioned that Phil did travel with them on the same flight to Sweden; however, he was flying business class. (Thats Phil for ya)I don't think he'd fly with the F3 teams on the flight to the final destination city, though. He needs time to get ahead and tape his Detour spots, and then pre-tape his finish line spot.
There are occurrences that Phil actually shoots the detour and roadblock after the finish line. Remember Season 14 Episode 1? The Roadblock was a voice over. We only sighted Phil during the start and the Pit Stop.
There's still hope. :lol:
Post by: apskip on April 21, 2009, 08:52:22 AM
Phil did travel with several teams on the same flight before. If I remember correctly, Lena/Kristy (from Amazing Race 6) mentioned that Phil did travel with them on the same flight to Sweden; however, he was flying business class. (Thats Phil for ya)I don't think he'd fly with the F3 teams on the flight to the final destination city, though. He needs time to get ahead and tape his Detour spots, and then pre-tape his finish line spot.
I believe you are right, but that only applies to the Honolulu to Maui leg. There is no way Phil could get way ahead this time since he is sighted in Tokyo airport with several teams in the are at about the same time. The flights from Tokyo to Honolulu arrive between 630am and 950am. That is not enough to build the time gap Phil needs to do those tasks right.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 21, 2009, 10:47:24 AM
Phil has mentioned in the past where he's had to quickly tape his standups as teams are racing to the destination (RB, Detour, Pit Stop, etc.).
Post by: walkingpneumonia on April 21, 2009, 11:40:22 AM
Phil did travel with several teams on the same flight before. If I remember correctly, Lena/Kristy (from Amazing Race 6) mentioned that Phil did travel with them on the same flight to Sweden; however, he was flying business class. (Thats Phil for ya)I don't think he'd fly with the F3 teams on the flight to the final destination city, though. He needs time to get ahead and tape his Detour spots, and then pre-tape his finish line spot.
I believe you are right, but that only applies to the Honolulu to Maui leg. There is no way Phil could get way ahead this time since he is sighted in Tokyo airport with several teams in the are at about the same time. The flights from Tokyo to Honolulu arrive between 630am and 950am. That is not enough to build the time gap Phil needs to do those tasks right.
Is it possible there is a task in Honolulu to let Phil get ahead?
Since there are no spoilers for the final flight from Honolulu to Maui - maybe they didn't take regularly scheduled flights. Could we see the return of the Naval helicopters from the opening episode?
Speculation btw...
Post by: nightshade on April 21, 2009, 09:39:45 PM
There is someting fishy wth the pitstop greeters in the race: The eating couple im Gulin, China. The bird man in Bangkok, the Yodelers (I think they are called) in Leg2 Switzerland, the Ballet dancers and dancers in Siberia LEgs...
Post by: apskip on April 21, 2009, 10:24:28 PM
Post by: apskip on April 21, 2009, 10:33:51 PM
Is it possible there is a task in Honolulu to let Phil get ahead?
Since there are no spoilers for the final flight from Honolulu to Maui - maybe they didn't take regularly scheduled flights. Could we see the return of the Naval helicopters from the opening episode?
All these in my opinion are low probability. They could have happened but each one is unlikely. I think teams will go directly from Asia to the area where final tasks will be done. That means the minimum possible connect time in Honolulu airport before boarding a commercial flight to Maui. What purpose would be served by teams having tasks in the Honolulu area? It just increases the chance that they will be spotted? Maui has palces where it is easier to be isolated. It is possible that teams were not on regularly scheduled flights, but I doubt it. The Naval helicopters could not make it from the mainland 2200 miles away to Honolulu (slightly more to Maui). It is possible that the Navy provided some helicopters from Honolulu. The only naval bases on the Hawaiian islands are:
Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard - west of Honolulu
Pearl Harbor Naval Station - northwest of Honolulu
There are no military bases of any type on any of the Hawaiian islands but Oahu. If you count the Coast Guard as part of the Navy, there are two more bases:
USCG Air Station Barbers Point - Kapolei
USCG Sector Honolulu
However, I have to ask why World Race Productions would need such helicopters? I can't see any need for them. If you want to, walkingpenumonia, check out the actual availability of helicopters at those bases.
Post by: Moo on April 22, 2009, 08:59:59 AM
Getting off episode nine, which is now over, I found a few interesting tidbit from coolboy66 on Sucks:QuoteMy friend, Caryn Bland, she works at a airport in Hawaii.
She said she saw Kisha and Jen there a few months ago. I made her watch the show with me tonight and she said she recognized them.
So 4th place-Tammy/Victor??
http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/sreply/4316465/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/sreply/4316465/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html)
Neobie, puddin, georgiapeach, make of it what you will.
Hi guys, coolboy66 has again posted another info... apparently, Kisha and Jen was spotted by her friend in Hawaii around mid-day, coolboy66 said specifically around 1 pm... What could be our take on this? Isn't this a little late for teams to arrive in order to reach the finish line, complete the roadblock, detour and other tasks and then proceed to finish? Could K/J be actually seen a day before the final 3 teams arrived or could they be way way way behind? What's your shot guys? :lol:
coolboy66's reply can be found here...
http://survivorsucks.com/topic/41155?page=63
Post by: Neobie on April 22, 2009, 09:49:02 AM
Post by: apskip on April 22, 2009, 10:19:11 AM
Depends on what airport (Maui or Oahu) it was. That the spoiler appeared so late in the race doesn't give me much confidence.I agree with Neobie and have some examples to flesh his concept out:
The latest Narita to Honolulu flight is American 5916 leaving at 10pm and arriving at 10am. It will take probably one hour to be clear of U.S. customs (for the equipment, not the racers themselves). Arriving passengers are inside the security perimeter, so maybe they could get by on 30 minutes to book and board a flight to Maui. So the earliest one would be 1130am. They would in luck if going to Kapulua, as WP058 departs at 1135am and arrives 1207pm. The same is true for Kahului with MW216 departing HNL 1130am arriving OGG 1206pm. it would take 1/2 hour to get the equipment unloaded and ready to go for the camera/sound guys. In either case we are talking less than 25 minutes before 1pm.
So it is possible, but not for Honolulu arrival unless there were major delays from Narita.
Post by: Ashe on April 22, 2009, 10:19:43 AM
Have you got ideas for the final task of the F3?Yeah . . . but the Phuket, Thailand, greeter didn't seem to have anything special going on.
There is someting fishy wth the pitstop greeters in the race: The eating couple im Gulin, China. The bird man in Bangkok, the Yodelers (I think they are called) in Leg2 Switzerland, the Ballet dancers and dancers in Siberia legs...
Post by: puddin on April 22, 2009, 10:28:56 AM
Depends on what airport (Maui or Oahu) it was. That the spoiler appeared so late in the race doesn't give me much confidence.Really, would you give out your friends name? "Caryn Bland"
And no date as well? "a few months ago"
And the odds that Kisha and Jen were spotted "at a airport in Hawaii" whether racing or decoys are very good as everyone has said ALL the racers will end up "at a airport in Hawaii" "a few months ago"
Post by: Belle Book on April 22, 2009, 03:40:45 PM
Getting off episode nine, which is now over, I found a few interesting tidbit from coolboy66 on Sucks:QuoteMy friend, Caryn Bland, she works at a airport in Hawaii.
She said she saw Kisha and Jen there a few months ago. I made her watch the show with me tonight and she said she recognized them.
So 4th place-Tammy/Victor??
http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/sreply/4316465/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/sreply/4316465/t/TAR-14-Spoiler-Thread.html)
Neobie, puddin, georgiapeach, make of it what you will.
Hi guys, coolboy66 has again posted another info... apparently, Kisha and Jen was spotted by her friend in Hawaii around mid-day, coolboy66 said specifically around 1 pm... What could be our take on this? Isn't this a little late for teams to arrive in order to reach the finish line, complete the roadblock, detour and other tasks and then proceed to finish? Could K/J be actually seen a day before the final 3 teams arrived or could they be way way way behind? What's your shot guys? :lol:
coolboy66's reply can be found here...
http://survivorsucks.com/topic/41155?page=63
I think that LaKisha & Jen are simply way behind the other two teams, if they made the Final 3 (which I think they did). Cara & Jamie and Margie & Luke got an earlier flight while LaKisha & Jen got a later flight, possibly delayed as well.
Belle Book
Post by: puddin on April 22, 2009, 03:46:12 PM
..or way ahead
I think that LaKisha & Jen are simply way behind the other two teams, if they made the Final 3 (which I think they did). Cara & Jamie and Margie & Luke got an earlier flight while LaKisha & Jen got a later flight, possibly delayed as well.
Belle Book
Post by: Belle Book on April 22, 2009, 03:48:49 PM
Belle Book
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 22, 2009, 04:37:34 PM
Post by: puddin on April 22, 2009, 05:49:36 PM
...... or decoys.or are just visting Michael Munoz in Maui
Post by: DrRox on April 22, 2009, 06:28:57 PM
...... or decoys.or are just visting Michael Munoz in Maui
or they could be on their way home to NYC.
Post by: puddin on April 22, 2009, 07:05:06 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on April 22, 2009, 07:10:03 PM
.. I predict any of the scenarios posted above will be correct
I predict ONE of the scenarios will be correct. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
Post by: puddin on April 22, 2009, 07:17:34 PM
Well their are so many scenarios posted through out this topic I was being safe so I'll stick with "any" :lol:.. I predict any of the scenarios posted above will be correct
I predict ONE of the scenarios will be correct. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
Post by: DrRox on April 22, 2009, 08:42:56 PM
Post by: Jobby on April 24, 2009, 12:22:26 AM
Post by: littlewop on April 24, 2009, 07:32:44 PM
There are no more non-eliminations, they were only 2 this season..but they could do the "to be continued" ep NT
I'm trying to figure out if it is fact or speculation. Has anyone heard /read this?
Post by: puddin on April 24, 2009, 09:24:48 PM
I read this at jokers...
There are no more non-eliminations, they were only 2 this season..but they could do the "to be continued" ep NT
I'm trying to figure out if it is fact or speculation. Has anyone heard /read this?
If the map is true then you decide:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/tar_14_route.jpg)
Post by: littlewop on April 24, 2009, 09:38:58 PM
Post by: puddin on April 24, 2009, 09:48:11 PM
That's why I thought it sounded wrong. I asked the poster, and when they went to verify they found it was stated as 12 legs, with 8 elimination legs. So, yes, we have either a NEL or a TBC. I would guess it is this week. Just trying to decide if they will sneak a TBC in on us.TPTB most certainly could very well sneak in a TBC, really I don't know? I just think no one leaves this week no matter what TPTB have planned as the consensus agrees.
Post by: redskevin88 on April 24, 2009, 09:52:21 PM
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I think that LaKisha & Jen are simply way behind the other two teams, if they made the Final 3 (which I think they did). Cara & Jamie and Margie & Luke got an earlier flight while LaKisha & Jen got a later flight, possibly delayed as well.
Belle Book
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All 3 teams are required to take only one flight to prevent one team from taking a say, very early flight and being way in the lead...
Post by: apskip on April 24, 2009, 10:05:58 PM
I read this at jokers...
There are no more non-eliminations, they were only 2 this season..but they could do the "to be continued" ep NT
I'm trying to figure out if it is fact or speculation. Has anyone heard /read this?
littlewop, you need to read different sources. Many months ago it was established (over the objections of many who thought 11 episodes a season was baked in stone) that there are 12 episodes in AR14. So let's do the math:
there are 8 elimination points per Phil
there is one finale
let's subtract 9 from 12. What do we get?
You can be sure that there is another NEL or TBC coming in Beijing.
Post by: ImANewUser on April 24, 2009, 10:15:18 PM
I think that LaKisha & Jen are simply way behind the other two teams, if they made the Final 3 (which I think they did). Cara & Jamie and Margie & Luke got an earlier flight while LaKisha & Jen got a later flight, possibly delayed as well.
Belle Book
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All 3 teams are required to take only one flight to prevent one team from taking a say, very early flight and being way in the lead...
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Not sure about those rules being recently implemented, but in the past, aside from Seasons 2 & 3, the teams were on 2 (or 3 in the case of Season 6 or 0 in the case of Season 8) separate flights to the final destination city.
Post by: eragon on April 24, 2009, 10:21:17 PM
All 3 teams are required to take only one flight to prevent one team from taking a say, very early flight and being way in the lead...
In Season 10, all 3 teams were not on the same flight.
1st flight (Tyler & James, Rob & Kimberly)
2nd flight (Lyn & Karlyn)
Post by: ImANewUser on April 24, 2009, 11:25:54 PM
Post by: Jobby on April 25, 2009, 12:12:32 AM
Post by: ImANewUser on April 25, 2009, 02:05:19 AM
Season 1: Rob/Brennan & Frank/Margarita are neck-and-neck until the subway train, with the Guidos behind
Season 2: Tara/Wil ahead, but Chris/Alex sneak up; Blake/Paige are close behind, but with the top two being SO close, they were sort of resigned to 3rd
Season 3: All teams are neck-and-neck here
Season 4: Reichen/Chip held a lead over Kelly/Jon
Season 5: Chip/Kim & Colin/Christie are neck-and-neck, until Colin/Christie's limo broke down
Season 6: Freddy/Kendra are ahead, Kris/Jon close behind but fall behind due to the train
Season 7: Uchenna/Joyce were way ahead of Romber
Season 8: footrace
Season 9: final task was so close
Season 10: Tyler/James held a lead
Season 11: All 3 teams were neck-and-neck
Season 12: like you said
Season 13: Nick/Starr & Ken/Tina neck-and-neck until Voodoo Doughnut
Post by: apskip on April 25, 2009, 07:39:42 AM
AR1 - Joe/Bill were 24 hours behind and had no chance of catching up
AR4 - Dave/Jeff fly to Sydney instead of to Tokyo and take themselves about 24 hours out of contention
AR5 - the infamous disallowal of Colin/Christie and Brandon/Nicole on the United flight Denver to Dallas only due to the baggage check-in issue; also the fact that this is a genuine 3 team race with Nicole/Brandon maybe 10 minutes behind Colin/Christie at the finish line
AR6 - Adam/Rebecca lag slightly behind in Hawaii
AR7 - Ron/Kelly were even until they miss the exit ramp for San Juan International Airport
AR10 - Lyn/Karlan could not get a seat on sold-out Air France flight CDG to JFK and had to settle for an earlier leaving connection through Dublin to Newark
On the question of your season-by-season summary:
AR1 to 4 - OK
AR5 - Colin/Christie and Brandon/Nicole were denied the right to fly on the United flight Denver to Dallas due to baggage regulations and their checking of their stuff back in Calgary on American Airlines, on whom they were originally ticketed to fly. They were on the same flight from Calgary to Denver as Chip/Kim. It was the flight and not the limo driver problems that caused Colin/Christie being behind.
AR6 - you have cause and effect wrong. The cause of Jon/Kris being behind was their poor decision on which flight to take from Honolulu to Hawaii. The train was superfluous and merely reflected the difference in flights.
AR7 - Uchenna/Joyce and Rob/Amber were able to take the same flight from San Juan to Miami. Soon after arriving, they took different paths through Miami's Little Havana Cuban section. Uchenna/Joyce gained about a 45 minute lead there, most of which they used up in trying to beg for the remainder of their taxi fare from Miami to Ft. Lauderdale. From Little Havana to Ft. Lauderdale and from the bridge jump back almost to San Juan International Airport are the only 2 points where where Uchenna/Joyce were actually ahead in the finale of AR7
AR8 - there was no footrace that I remember. Nick Linz had to run for a very minor amount of yards to reach the Finish Line while Wally Branson had to finish the puzzle.
AR9 - OK
AR10 - the lead for Tyler/James over Rob/Kimberly developed as a results of the EZPass incident at a tollbooth in Queens on the way to Manhattan. They kept this lead for about 30 minutes in Manhattan and maybe 90 minutes driving to Garrison.
AR11 - it depends on what you mean by neck-and-neck. Eric/Danielle won by about 10 minutes over Dustin/Kandice, who were ahead of Charla/Mirna by about 15 minutes at the Finish Line. To me, that is not like AR2 which was real neck-and-neck.
AR12 - from the scale ROADBLOCK on, I saw no neck-and-neck here. I reemmber TK/Rachel winning by at least 10 minutes.
AR13 - this really was neck-and-neck in downtown Portland; you are correct that after Voodoo Doughnuts it widened to 5 to 11 minutes for Nick/Starr over Ken/Tina.
Post by: ImANewUser on April 25, 2009, 07:59:03 AM
Raymond, that's a decent summary of the history of the finale of Amazing Races with certain exceptions l will address below, but first I want to address your inference that seasons 1, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 10 all had trailing teams and that's why it was a 2 team race to the Finish Line. World Race Productions clearly has a goal reinforced by constant bunching throughout each race to reach a 3 team competition in the finale. The only instances with only 2 teams and extraneous factors were not responsible is "None of the above":
AR1 - Joe/Bill were 24 hours behind and had no chance of catching up
AR4 - Dave/Jeff fly to Sydney instead of to Tokyo and take themselves about 24 hours out of contention
AR5 - the infamous disallowal of Colin/Christie and Brandon/Nicole on the United flight Denver to Dallas only due to the baggage check-in issue; also the fact that this is a genuine 3 team race with Nicole/Brandon maybe 10 minutes behind Colin/Christie at the finish line
AR6 - Adam/Rebecca lag slightly behind in Hawaii
AR7 - Ron/Kelly were even until they miss the exit ramp for San Juan International Airport
AR10 - Lyn/Karlan could not get a seat on sold-out Air France flight CDG to JFK and had to settle for an earlier leaving connection through Dublin to Newark
On the question of your season-by-season summary:
AR1 to 4 - OK
AR5 - Colin/Christie and Brandon/Nicole were denied the right to fly on the United flight Denver to Dallas due to baggage regulations and their checking of their stuff back in Calgary on American Airlines, on whom they were originally ticketed to fly. They were on the same flight from Calgary to Denver as Chip/Kim. It was the flight and not the limo driver problems that caused Colin/Christie being behind.
AR6 - you have cause and effect wrong. The cause of Jon/Kris being behind was their poor decision on which flight to take from Honolulu to Hawaii. The train was superfluous and merely reflected the difference in flights.
AR7 - Uchenna/Joyce and Rob/Amber were able to take the same flight from San Juan to Miami. Soon after arriving, they took different paths through Miami's Little Havana Cuban section. Uchenna/Joyce gained about a 45 minute lead there, most of which they used up in trying to beg for the remainder of their taxi fare from Miami to Ft. Lauderdale. From Little Havana to Ft. Lauderdale and from the bridge jump back almost to San Juan International Airport are the only 2 points where where Uchenna/Joyce were actually ahead in the finale of AR7
AR8 - there was no footrace that I remember. Nick Linz had to run for a very minor amount of yards to reach the Finish Line while Wally Branson had to finish the puzzle.
AR9 - OK
AR10 - the lead for Tyler/James over Rob/Kimberly developed as a results of the EZPass incident at a tollbooth in Queens on the way to Manhattan. They kept this lead for about 30 minutes in Manhattan and maybe 90 minutes driving to Garrison.
AR11 - it depends on what you mean by neck-and-neck. Eric/Danielle won by about 10 minutes over Dustin/Kandice, who were ahead of Charla/Mirna by about 15 minutes at the Finish Line. To me, that is not like AR2 which was real neck-and-neck.
AR12 - from the scale ROADBLOCK on, I saw no neck-and-neck here. I reemmber TK/Rachel winning by at least 10 minutes.
AR13 - this really was neck-and-neck in downtown Portland; you are correct that after Voodoo Doughnuts it widened to 5 to 11 minutes for Nick/Starr over Ken/Tina.
True, but I was going based on how the editors showed it to be. Based on real times, more often than not, there's a clear winner, but I see what you mean.
Post by: DrRox on April 25, 2009, 11:40:30 AM
Season 7: Uchenna/Joyce were way ahead of Romber
It was very simple Raymond. To quote Stephen J. Gould from his book, Fortunate Life, it was CHANCE.
Romber and U/J were on the same flight, as everyone knows. Romber were first to the taxi line. They jumped into the first taxi and took off. The driver was a French speaking Haitian that neither understood the clue (which was in Spanish) or comprehended its meaning. U/J got the second taxi that was driven by a Spanish speaking Cuban, he not only understood the clue, but drove right to the cigar shop. After that, all that was important was did U/J have enough time to beg for taxi fare, before Romber arrived. And we all know the answer to that.
Post by: Hooky on April 25, 2009, 09:34:21 PM
I asked the poster, and when they went to verify they found it was stated as 12 legs, with 8 elimination legs. So, yes, we have either a NEL or a TBC....Just trying to decide if they will sneak a TBC in on us.
A little too late for this now, maybe, but assuming you mean a "To Be Continued" leg, if next leg were one of those, then there wouldn't be 12 legs, would there? There would be 11. :tup:
Post by: apskip on April 25, 2009, 09:53:27 PM
I asked the poster, and when they went to verify they found it was stated as 12 legs, with 8 elimination legs. So, yes, we have either a NEL or a TBC....Just trying to decide if they will sneak a TBC in on us.
A little too late for this now, maybe, but assuming you mean a "To Be Continued" leg, if next leg were one of those, then there wouldn't be 12 legs, would there? There would be 11. :tup:
No, because both ends of a TBC leg count as 1 leg, giving you a total of 2 for Beijing I and Beijing II if a TBC happens.
Post by: Hooky on April 25, 2009, 10:08:08 PM
I asked the poster, and when they went to verify they found it was stated as 12 legs, with 8 elimination legs. So, yes, we have either a NEL or a TBC....Just trying to decide if they will sneak a TBC in on us.
A little too late for this now, maybe, but assuming you mean a "To Be Continued" leg, if next leg were one of those, then there wouldn't be 12 legs, would there? There would be 11. :tup:
No, because both ends of a TBC leg count as 1 leg, giving you a total of 2 for Beijing I and Beijing II if a TBC happens.
There are only 3 episodes left, so if there really is a TBC, it would make 11 legs, regardless of how many are in Beijing. :res:
Post by: puddin on April 25, 2009, 10:45:31 PM
Post by: puddin on April 26, 2009, 01:29:47 PM
The problem with this is that CBS never released how many legs there would be, we had to figure it out on our own through the time/episode threads. I've never read any release where it was stated 11 or 12 legs so as far as we know there are 12 episodes for sure and if there are 12 legs it remains to be seen and of course tonight it will be pretty clear either way.I asked the poster, and when they went to verify they found it was stated as 12 legs, with 8 elimination legs. So, yes, we have either a NEL or a TBC....Just trying to decide if they will sneak a TBC in on us.
A little too late for this now, maybe, but assuming you mean a "To Be Continued" leg, if next leg were one of those, then there wouldn't be 12 legs, would there? There would be 11. :tup:
Post by: Chateau d If on April 26, 2009, 02:06:52 PM
AR5 - Colin/Christie and Brandon/Nicole were denied the right to fly on the United flight Denver to Dallas due to baggage regulations and their checking of their stuff back in Calgary on American Airlines, on whom they were originally ticketed to fly. They were on the same flight from Calgary to Denver as Chip/Kim. It was the flight and not the limo driver problems that caused Colin/Christie being behind.
Well, it's true that their flight to Dallas set them back behind Chip and Kim. However, Colin explained to me at TARcon that their flight landed only 5 min behind Chip and Kim's (as opposed to the longer time if the planes landed on schedule). And that 5 min was more than made up by their high speed driver Earl. While he was moving that is. It took them ten minutes or more to fix the flat tire that Earl got. So, Colin was sure that had it not been for the flat tire then they would have beat Chip and Kim. And I believe him. Chip also concurred with Colin's explanation.
Post by: littlewop on April 26, 2009, 02:26:40 PM
I'm not doubting Peach at all, or her amazing fact finding skills. I am doubting MY OWN interpretation of the facts.
The post is quite long, but it is located here....
Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1262 on: March 29, 2009, 07:33:21 PM »
and the line I am still puzzling over is this one...
"Phil didn't really interact with anyone besides an older man who I would assume was a producer of some sort. Photo confirmation that this was Bertram Van Munster—insert: And it definitely was Bertram Van Munster that was with them, he and Phil didn't really interact with anyone but each other. "
If that statement is true, why must we assume, speculate, matriculate, etc. that T/V are decoys because the 2 groups were "together"?
Isn't it possible, and given the fact that Phil & BVM didn't interact with them, that it was just a coincidence, or bad timing that they were in the same place at the same time? And given that J/C & M/L were also spotted by the same informant, so I'm guessing in about the same time frame, it could be entirely possible that they were all at the airport at the same time.
Post by: georgiapeach on April 26, 2009, 05:24:51 PM
Decoys have flown with Phil, Racers have flown with Phil.
Decoys have not flown with Phil, Racers have not flown with Phil.
There is no rule that I am aware of that says racers or decoys can't fly with Phil.
Decoys are filmed, racers are filmed.
Being with or without Phil means nothing.
Phil and Bertram not interacting with racers and/or decoys while the show is filming makes perfect sense.
Period.
Post by: Hooky on April 26, 2009, 05:41:19 PM
Once more: :lol:
Decoys have flown with Phil, Racers have flown with Phil.
Decoys have not flown with Phil, Racers have not flown with Phil.
There is no rule that I am aware of that says racers or decoys can't fly with Phil.
Decoys are filmed, racers are filmed.
Being with or without Phil means nothing.
Phil and Bertram not interacting with racers and/or decoys while the show is filming makes perfect sense.
Period.
And that's your Race Rule of the Day with your host, georgiapeach! :lol:
Tune in next time as we discuss how it is possible for there to be a TBC in the next 3 episodes! :funny: ;D
Post by: puddin on April 26, 2009, 05:43:27 PM
With that said, what should "we" assume, speculate, matriculate, etc next?Once more: :lol:
Decoys have flown with Phil, Racers have flown with Phil.
Decoys have not flown with Phil, Racers have not flown with Phil.
There is no rule that I am aware of that says racers or decoys can't fly with Phil.
Decoys are filmed, racers are filmed.
Being with or without Phil means nothing.
Phil and Bertram not interacting with racers and/or decoys while the show is filming makes perfect sense.
Period.
And that's your Race Rule of the Day with your host, georgiapeach! :lol:
Tune in next time as we discuss how it is possible for there to be a TBC in the next 3 episodes! :funny: ;D
Post by: Hooky on April 26, 2009, 05:47:24 PM
Now let's see what peach will tell us about that. *bows*
Apskip, don't worry, you don't need to argue with me this time. ;D
Post by: georgiapeach on April 26, 2009, 05:48:06 PM
SPEC: I'd really like some Beijing two tasks....
We haven't had an eating task yet, have we?
Is it time for some Chinese delicacies? :lol:
Post by: Pedaler on April 26, 2009, 06:10:05 PM
I like Tammy and Victor but there's no evidence to determine how they finished. Maybe the design of the upcoming leg allowed them to use their language skills to such an advantage that they finished so far ahead of the others that they ended up on a flight with Phil and BvM. Or, they could have had another catastrophic failure as they incurred in Romania and were eliminated. I hope that it's the former and not the latter, but that's my wishful thinking.
No matter, Phil said in one of his video interviews in Iowa or Nebraska on his ride across America web site that it was going to be an exciting finish. And that what I would most like to see happen.
Post by: wendyemail on April 27, 2009, 06:37:40 AM
could this be next week T/V stuck with a lost taxi driver
Post by: georgiapeach on April 27, 2009, 06:47:35 AM
Thanks for the clip, but that is actually from the April 12 show. You can see all the Insider Videos here:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18417.0/topicseen.html
and we are talking about the next episode over here--come join us!
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18689.0.html
:hithere:
Post by: Ashe on April 27, 2009, 10:22:10 AM
Everyone, congratulations on a very successful season.I think it's the former. They might be the only team who doesn't get lost for hours looking for the U-Turn in the next episode and finish hours ahead of everyone else, giving them time to make Phil and Bertram's flight.
I like Tammy and Victor but there's no evidence to determine how they finished. Maybe the design of the upcoming leg allowed them to use their language skills to such an advantage that they finished so far ahead of the others that they ended up on a flight with Phil and BvM. Or, they could have had another catastrophic failure as they incurred in Romania and were eliminated. I hope that it's the former and not the latter, but that's my wishful thinking.
They'd better somehow get equalized with everyone else, though.
Post by: Hooky on April 27, 2009, 05:59:10 PM
Everyone, congratulations on a very successful season.I think it's the former. They might be the only team who doesn't get lost for hours looking for the U-Turn in the next episode and finish hours ahead of everyone else, giving them time to make Phil and Bertram's flight.
I like Tammy and Victor but there's no evidence to determine how they finished. Maybe the design of the upcoming leg allowed them to use their language skills to such an advantage that they finished so far ahead of the others that they ended up on a flight with Phil and BvM. Or, they could have had another catastrophic failure as they incurred in Romania and were eliminated. I hope that it's the former and not the latter, but that's my wishful thinking.
They'd better somehow get equalized with everyone else, though.
The worst possible ending to a season I thought would be amazing is if Tammy & Victor zoom ahead next episode, and hold a huge lead the entire finale, leading to another boring, predictable, terrible ending.
The second worst possible ending is Margie & Luke winning, which would be awful after Luke's immature behavior.
Post by: apskip on April 27, 2009, 09:44:56 PM
No F3 team in the history of the Amazing Race has ever been able to zoom ahead of the other 2 F3 teams. World Race Productions carefully designs the finish of the penultimate leg and then they typically have massive bunching through one airplane flight at the beginning of the final leg.
Post by: Snooky on April 27, 2009, 09:49:37 PM
Hooky,It was close to happening in Season 7, but Uchenna and Joyce got lucky...How far behind was the second flight in that season, 2 or 3 hours?
No F3 team in the history of the Amazing Race has ever been able to zoom ahead of the other 2 F3 teams. World Race Productions carefully designs the finish of the penultimate leg and then they typically have massive bunching through one airplane flight at the beginning of the final leg.
Post by: sparkling on April 28, 2009, 02:21:14 AM
Margie-Luke vs. Kisha-Jen continues to fester. They aren't putting aside their differences, which could definitely come into play as they head into the final two legs. As we've seen in all the seasons, it's essential to try and ignore personal feelings when you get to this point in the race. If you don't, you'll definitely lose focus and make mistakes.
Does this imply that M/L & K/J are in the F3?
Post by: apskip on April 28, 2009, 07:07:08 AM
The final 2 legs are the next one to eliminate one team plus the final leg to the Finish Line. That statement is entirely conistent with one of those 2 teams being eliminated in the upcoming episode.
Post by: Ashe on April 28, 2009, 08:57:12 AM
sparkling,Then it's one or the other who makes it, not both?
The final 2 legs are the next one to eliminate one team plus the final leg to the Finish Line. That statement is entirely conistent with one of those 2 teams being eliminated in the upcoming episode.
Post by: DavidJunior on April 28, 2009, 10:21:01 AM
it's definitely a possibility and could easily happen
but, i don't think we should write off any team yet as being safe or eliminated
who knows what could happen?
Post by: Belle Book on April 28, 2009, 03:55:10 PM
From Phil's blog
Margie-Luke vs. Kisha-Jen continues to fester. They aren't putting aside their differences, which could definitely come into play as they head into the final two legs. As we've seen in all the seasons, it's essential to try and ignore personal feelings when you get to this point in the race. If you don't, you'll definitely lose focus and make mistakes.
Does this imply that M/L & K/J are in the F3?
Possibly, but not necessarily so.
Belle Book
Post by: Pedaler on April 28, 2009, 04:19:18 PM
Thanks to blogger Twice as Nice
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7P7odoI3XXA/SU_98__n5YI/AAAAAAAABUg/MLzL1RPWrzo/s1600-h/DSCF0164.JPG
Also, in the Maui News yesterday (4/27) this was embedded in an article.
Quote
Images of the fence have made their way onto the walls of art galleries, onto glossy pages of surfing magazines and calendars, and have been used as a backdrop for various television shows. Look for it in an upcoming edition of "Ripley's Believe It or Not!" book and a cameo appearance in the May 3 episode of CBS' "The Amazing Race."source http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/517845.html
I think they may have got the date wrong, but the Surfboard Fence looks like a cool place to put a clue box. http://www.surfboardfence.com/
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/th_DSCF0164.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/DSCF0164.jpg)
Post by: puddin on April 28, 2009, 04:31:04 PM
Post by: anon1akacolby on April 28, 2009, 04:32:45 PM
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Unless it is the most elaborate decoy ever, it looks like the sisters are the next to go from this photo taken at the Maui airport.
Thanks to blogger Twice as Nice
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7P7odoI3XXA/SU_98__n5YI/AAAAAAAABUg/MLzL1RPWrzo/s1600-h/DSCF0164.JPG
Holy crap!!
Great find! :jam:
Why are the blondes and the bro's holding clue envelopes? Perhaps to head out and act as decoys?
Post by: puddin on April 28, 2009, 04:35:25 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on April 28, 2009, 04:36:38 PM
Decoys are usually sent out with instructions to even "drop" clues around..
I do believe that searching for a surfboard is a racer task.... :angel
Post by: puddin on April 28, 2009, 04:37:03 PM
And YES the finale has something to do with surfboards!QuoteImages of the fence have made their way onto the walls of art galleries, onto glossy pages of surfing magazines and calendars, and have been used as a backdrop for various television shows. Look for it in an upcoming edition of "Ripley's Believe It or Not!" book and a cameo appearance in the May 3 episode of CBS' "The Amazing Race."source http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/517845.html
I think they may have got the date wrong, but the Surfboard Fence looks like a cool place to put a clue box. http://www.surfboardfence.com/
Post by: georgiapeach on April 28, 2009, 04:38:01 PM
Now that my friend is what we call spoiling :jumpy:
Finally!! Welcome back to DETECTIVE Pedaler! :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
Post by: puddin on April 28, 2009, 04:41:12 PM
Bring on TAR 15!! :wohoo:
Post by: Hooky on April 28, 2009, 04:44:21 PM
But why is it Christie & Jodi rather than Mel & Mike?
Post by: apskip on April 28, 2009, 05:43:14 PM
Yeah. It's over for Kisha & Jen.
But why is it Christie & Jodi rather than Mel & Mike?
Hooky, do you see any male/male teams in the final 4? Of course not because it's mathematically impossible. Do you see any female/female teams in the final 4? At least one has to be there. This suggests the use as decoys of Christie/Jodi, but not any male/male teams like Mel/Michael or Mark/Michael. However, since traditionally WRP uses only the 4th, 5th and 6th place finishers they probably elected to use one male/male team.
Post by: Neobie on April 28, 2009, 05:49:59 PM
That boy knows how to race. :groan:
And, er, OMG! It's a surprise twist brings back the eliminated racers, and LaKisha/Jennifer must beat all of them to claim the 1 million dollars!
Cue Puddin... :angel:
Post by: Moo on April 28, 2009, 07:24:07 PM
Post by: puddin on April 28, 2009, 07:29:03 PM
Mike is behind. Wearing sandals.:winner :cheesehead :bounce
That boy knows how to race. :groan:
And, er, OMG! It's a surprise twist brings back the eliminated racers, and LaKisha/Jennifer must beat all of them to claim the 1 million dollars!
Cue Puddin... :angel:
Post by: redskevin88 on April 28, 2009, 07:35:47 PM
Now that my friend is what we call spoiling :jumpy:
Finally!! Welcome back to DETECTIVE Pedaler! :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
Tammy/Victor to maybe turn against Margie/Luke, allowing Jamie/Kara to take 2nd spot. Kisha/Jen are far behind enough (say about one-and-a-half hours due to the detour), that only a miracle helps them. However, top two teams run perfect legs, while Luke's determination to eliminate the sisters is enough to carry Margie/Luke into the final three despite the u-turn.
Post by: Moo on April 28, 2009, 07:43:09 PM
......now watch the mass go insane :lol: :popcorn:
Bring on TAR 15!! :wohoo:
I'm quite scared (so much actually) that TAR 15 filming might get delayed if that Swine flu epidemic reaches most of the globe... So while it hasn't yet (and I hope will never be)... CBS WRP PLEASE FILM NOW!!!!!
Surely Mexico will not be on the list of countries for TAR 15 to visit, unless it has been miraculously healed of all impurities...
Post by: Ashe on April 28, 2009, 08:01:47 PM
Oh my Pedaler... you really made our day! :hearts: :jumpy: I gotta see the ending no matter what place I am in the world during that episode now! (sadly it's almost impossible now... :'( :'( :'()Okay, Mooyou. You got what you wanted. You friggin' happy?
Post by: hakushu8 on April 28, 2009, 08:39:43 PM
:torche Kisha/Jen.
I actually thought this was Honolulu airport, however, I haven't really gone OUT of the airport the many times I've been there to connect for flights. :funny:
Post by: Snooky on April 28, 2009, 08:51:16 PM
I used to not like Tammy and Victor, but now they are the only team that hasn't had nervous breakdowns, so I am starting to like them the best!Oh my Pedaler... you really made our day! :hearts: :jumpy: I gotta see the ending no matter what place I am in the world during that episode now! (sadly it's almost impossible now... :'( :'( :'()Okay, Mooyou. You got what you wanted. You friggin' happy?
Post by: Ashe on April 28, 2009, 10:00:55 PM
Uh, Romania?I used to not like Tammy and Victor, but now they are the only team that hasn't had nervous breakdowns, so I am starting to like them the best!Oh my Pedaler... you really made our day! :hearts: :jumpy: I gotta see the ending no matter what place I am in the world during that episode now! (sadly it's almost impossible now... :'( :'( :'()Okay, Mooyou. You got what you wanted. You friggin' happy?
Post by: ImANewUser on April 29, 2009, 12:23:14 AM
Post by: Cocoa on April 29, 2009, 02:53:00 AM
Best in Drama and Pretending-To-Be-In-The-Race goes to.....
KISHA of Kisha & Jen (look at her face.... super realistic.....)
And... the Best in Unbelievable-Reaction/Face-Emotion goes to.....
MIKE of Mel&Mike(seriously, he's not racing, he's looks like he's in vacation... :funny:)
Just an observation though....
Post by: ImANewUser on April 29, 2009, 03:22:19 AM
1. Tammy/Victor have a huge lead and are on Flight 1 with production
2. Kisha/Jen are in 4th
This happens:
1. Kisha/Jen have a huge lead and are on Flight 1 with decoy teams
2. Tammy/Victor are in 4th
Although that's not happening in a million years, unless T/V, M/L & C/J have a RB penalty. (like they only eat one delicacy alone and share the other delicacies with the teammate when they have to eat a series of delicacies alone and check in to the Pitstop without them knowing they did it wrongly - see Tara/Wil & Blake/Paige in Sydney) Again, just false hope. (cue the :angel: smileys. :funny:)
Post by: graytex on April 29, 2009, 09:52:41 AM
Post by: Ashe on April 29, 2009, 10:00:04 AM
Post by: apskip on April 29, 2009, 10:17:13 AM
A more logical sequence would be the bunching to occur at Narita Airprot. Phil has stated on his Diary video that he left the Beijing pit stop at 330pm, so all teams finished before then. The first possible flight from Beijing to Narita is JL780 0825 1255. That gives all teams ample time to be on the first flight departing Narita for Honolulu, which is the previously discussed JO76 1845 0645+1 and its related "extra flight" JO8090 30 minutes later. Why did teams take the one hour later PEK NRT flight CA925? I certainly can't say, but there is no harm to taking CA925 on the connection to the Honollu-bound flights. World Race Productions has a history of getting teams near the pit stop as early in the day as possible to minimizie sighting potential. I see only a tiny probability that tasks in Honolulu would have created the bunching. There is a possibility for airport bunching if the flight to Maui is to Kapalua airport, which has only 4 flights a day. It that was not specified, teams would take the next available flight from Honolulu to Maui - Kahului airport. There are about 3 every hour, so that would depend on the time to clear U.S. customs. If it is Kahului as the destination airport, I expect that WRP will find some way of guaranteeing that all 3 F3 teams are on the same flight. Arriving at the same time should do that, but not always.
Post by: racheloh on April 29, 2009, 01:42:47 PM
i am sure this will be the most brilliant, eye-opening, 1st reply ever...
but, the second i saw that photo, i thought the guy in right, with A hat on, was LUKE. And i think the A cap looks fake, pasted on... Maybe this picture is AFTER the race is done...but why would they be holding those papers and filming them....????
I know -- doesn't make sense...but i just think it looks like Luke, doctored.....and doesn't he have a gray fleece pull-over??
Post by: puddin on April 29, 2009, 01:50:35 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/th_DSCF0164.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/DSCF0164.jpg)
Post by: Boingo on April 29, 2009, 04:01:48 PM
the photo data is DateTimeOriginal : 2008:11:21 17:41:15
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/th_DSCF0164.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/DSCF0164.jpg)
:jam: cool spoiler!
BTW, anyone notice that there are three cameramen BUT no sound guys. Kinda suggests that this footage will never get broadcast, so audio is not all that important and can be recorded using the mike on the camera. I'm sure I read somewhere that every (active) team gets a cameraman AND a sound man. Never saw a happier looking bunch of Losers! :funny:
Post by: walkingpneumonia on April 29, 2009, 04:03:43 PM
the photo data is DateTimeOriginal : 2008:11:21 17:41:15
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/th_DSCF0164.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/DSCF0164.jpg)
I'm confused now.
The race ended on Nov. 21 around 11 am ( http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg380845.html#msg380845 )
The photo was taken Nov. 21 at 5:41 pm
If the picture is post final mat then it really doesn't spoil anything. Its just a photo of various racers enjoying some down time after the race - waiting for a taxi or something. It doesn't tell us who the final 3 are at all.
Or am I missing something here?
Post by: georgiapeach on April 29, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
And last season teams were asked to run decoy AFTER the mat as well....
Post by: Slowhatch on April 29, 2009, 04:55:28 PM
Post by: TexasLady on April 29, 2009, 05:54:17 PM
i am sure this will be the most brilliant, eye-opening, 1st reply ever...
but, the second i saw that photo, i thought the guy in right, with A hat on, was LUKE. And i think the A cap looks fake, pasted on... Maybe this picture is AFTER the race is done...but why would they be holding those papers and filming them....????
I know -- doesn't make sense...but i just think it looks like Luke, doctored.....and doesn't he have a gray fleece pull-over??
The guy's arms don't look like Luke's to me. ???
Welcome to RFF racheloh!
Post by: Hooky on April 29, 2009, 06:52:46 PM
They can't have them doing decoy duty during the race, because they are needed at the Finish Line, so they have to do it after the race is over. I think the camera time is likely correct or at least close. Not that I know anything about sun angles, like Chateau.
Post by: FLFan on April 29, 2009, 07:13:49 PM
I have never set my clock camera and would have no idea if it is right? Or suppose that is an EST visitor?
<snip>
I have been using a digital camera for at least 4 years in different time zones around the US and in at least one country foreign to me. I have never reset the camera to match the time zone that I was visiting. Too much trouble!
I personally would assume that the time stamp on the photo matches the timezone in which the photographer lives, if that is known.
Post by: Belle Book on April 29, 2009, 07:33:56 PM
Belle Book
Post by: apskip on April 29, 2009, 07:57:47 PM
the photo data is DateTimeOriginal : 2008:11:21 17:41:15
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/th_DSCF0164.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/DSCF0164.jpg)
I'm confused now.
The race ended on Nov. 21 around 11 am ( http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg380845.html#msg380845 )
The photo was taken Nov. 21 at 5:41 pm
If the picture is post final mat then it really doesn't spoil anything. Its just a photo of various racers enjoying some down time after the race - waiting for a taxi or something. It doesn't tell us who the final 3 are at all.
Or am I missing something here?
walkingpneumonia, with the 2 to 5 hour difference for any photographers based on the U.S. mainland, chances are that the actual Hawaiian time was 1241pm to 341pm. It is difficult to say without knowing in which time zone the camera is set.
Post by: Pedaler on April 29, 2009, 08:21:57 PM
From Puddin :
Quote
Nov. 22
leg 12 return from Beijing to U.S. for Finish Line in Hawaii via Tokyo
PEK to NRT:
JL780 0825 1255
NH956 0830 1300
NW30 0900 1340
CA925 0925 1355
CA167 1325 1800
NH906 1445 1915
JL782 1520 1950
CA421 1640 2100
NRT to HNL
JO76 1845 0645+1
UA880 1945 0736+1
NW30 2000 0805 Note that this is a continuation of the ealier flight from PEK to NRT with 6 hour 20 minute layover
NW22 2055 0845+1
NH1052 2055 0915+1
JO74 2100 0900+1
JO72 2200 1000+1
Continuing on from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu (NRT to HNL), there are 9 choices with departures between 645pm and 10pm. With the 6 hours 45 minute flying team and 5 hour time difference, these flights arrive HNL 0630 to 0950. The most logical choice to me would be UA880 NRT HNL 1925 0710+1. All these are same day due to crossing the International Date Line.
Finish Line on Maui, so teams will take a 36 or 37 minute flight Honolulu to Kahului or to Kapalua. There is at least one every hour from 5am to 9pm and several in some hours.
tasks
Finish Line
From mwoden
Quote
EP12: Beijing, China to Maui, Hawaii (USA)
Air Date: MAY 10
Film Date: NOV 22
Tasks:
[Route Info]: Fly to Maui, Hawaii (USA)
[Route Info]: Find Surfboard Fence
[Finish Line]: Kahili Golf Course (18th Green)
Evidence: Witness at Beijing airport spots Phil flying to Hawaii and “doublemint twins”, Maui confirmed as pitstop by CBS map
Possible Teams: Cara/Jamie, Margie/Luke, Tammy/Victor
Post by: walkingpneumonia on April 29, 2009, 08:47:22 PM
Is there a disconnect somewhere? Both Puddin and mwoden show the end date as Nov 22. It makes sense to me that the racers would arrive in Maui a day before the end. The lady who took the photo was waiting for their rental car. I assume the racers were waiting for their transportation.
From Puddin :QuoteNov. 22
leg 12 return from Beijing to U.S. for Finish Line in Hawaii via Tokyo
PEK to NRT:
JL780 0825 1255
NH956 0830 1300
NW30 0900 1340
CA925 0925 1355
CA167 1325 1800
NH906 1445 1915
JL782 1520 1950
CA421 1640 2100
NRT to HNL
JO76 1845 0645+1
UA880 1945 0736+1
NW30 2000 0805 Note that this is a continuation of the ealier flight from PEK to NRT with 6 hour 20 minute layover
NW22 2055 0845+1
NH1052 2055 0915+1
JO74 2100 0900+1
JO72 2200 1000+1
Continuing on from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu (NRT to HNL), there are 9 choices with departures between 645pm and 10pm. With the 6 hours 45 minute flying team and 5 hour time difference, these flights arrive HNL 0630 to 0950. The most logical choice to me would be UA880 NRT HNL 1925 0710+1. All these are same day due to crossing the International Date Line.
Finish Line on Maui, so teams will take a 36 or 37 minute flight Honolulu to Kahului or to Kapalua. There is at least one every hour from 5am to 9pm and several in some hours.
tasks
Finish Line
From mwodenQuoteEP12: Beijing, China to Maui, Hawaii (USA)
Air Date: MAY 10
Film Date: NOV 22
Tasks:
[Route Info]: Fly to Maui, Hawaii (USA)
[Route Info]: Find Surfboard Fence
[Finish Line]: Kahili Golf Course (18th Green)
Evidence: Witness at Beijing airport spots Phil flying to Hawaii and “doublemint twins”, Maui confirmed as pitstop by CBS map
Possible Teams: Cara/Jamie, Margie/Luke, Tammy/Victor
Sorry if I'm confusing things - I was going by this post http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg380845.html#msg380845 which says the race ended on Nov 21 in Maui. Other posts contradict it I guess. Or are we dealing with the international date line incorrectly?
Where was the lady who took the photo from? East coast? West coast?
Post by: puddin on April 29, 2009, 09:11:48 PM
Is there a disconnect somewhere? Both Puddin and mwoden show the end date as Nov 22. It makes sense to me that the racers would arrive in Maui a day before the end. The lady who took the photo was waiting for their rental car. I assume the racers were waiting for their transportation.
From Puddin :QuoteNov. 22
leg 12 return from Beijing to U.S. for Finish Line in Hawaii via Tokyo
PEK to NRT:
JL780 0825 1255
NH956 0830 1300
NW30 0900 1340
CA925 0925 1355
CA167 1325 1800
NH906 1445 1915
JL782 1520 1950
CA421 1640 2100
NRT to HNL
JO76 1845 0645+1
UA880 1945 0736+1
NW30 2000 0805 Note that this is a continuation of the ealier flight from PEK to NRT with 6 hour 20 minute layover
NW22 2055 0845+1
NH1052 2055 0915+1
JO74 2100 0900+1
JO72 2200 1000+1
Continuing on from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu (NRT to HNL), there are 9 choices with departures between 645pm and 10pm. With the 6 hours 45 minute flying team and 5 hour time difference, these flights arrive HNL 0630 to 0950. The most logical choice to me would be UA880 NRT HNL 1925 0710+1. All these are same day due to crossing the International Date Line.
Finish Line on Maui, so teams will take a 36 or 37 minute flight Honolulu to Kahului or to Kapalua. There is at least one every hour from 5am to 9pm and several in some hours.
tasks
Finish Line
From mwodenQuoteEP12: Beijing, China to Maui, Hawaii (USA)
Air Date: MAY 10
Film Date: NOV 22
Tasks:
[Route Info]: Fly to Maui, Hawaii (USA)
[Route Info]: Find Surfboard Fence
[Finish Line]: Kahili Golf Course (18th Green)
Evidence: Witness at Beijing airport spots Phil flying to Hawaii and “doublemint twins”, Maui confirmed as pitstop by CBS map
Possible Teams: Cara/Jamie, Margie/Luke, Tammy/Victor
We were copying from apskips timeline, the 22nd, which was wrong but now has been fixed I take it. :lol:. We know the race ended on the 21st (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg380845.html#msg380845) :umn:
Post by: puddin on April 29, 2009, 09:27:11 PM
Okay what if I just flat out tell you that no one in that photo is a part of the final 3?the photo data is DateTimeOriginal : 2008:11:21 17:41:15
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/th_DSCF0164.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/DSCF0164.jpg)
I'm confused now.
The race ended on Nov. 21 around 11 am ( http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg380845.html#msg380845 )
The photo was taken Nov. 21 at 5:41 pm
If the picture is post final mat then it really doesn't spoil anything. Its just a photo of various racers enjoying some down time after the race - waiting for a taxi or something. It doesn't tell us who the final 3 are at all.
Or am I missing something here?
Post by: Pedaler on April 29, 2009, 09:37:40 PM
Quote
We know the race ended on the 21st
Puddin, if that's true and the date on the camera is correct, then possibly it's just a decoy photo and not a spoiler one. A speculative time line could be pit stop at 11 am., film for an hour or two, then go to the airport, do some decoy stuff at the airport, and then fly to Honolulu for the night. I don't think the racers would fly home that same day.
Seeing all of the Amazing Race paraphernalia out in the open if they were arriving seems kind of strange. Why call attention when it's not needed?
Post by: georgiapeach on April 29, 2009, 09:39:40 PM
Post by: walkingpneumonia on April 29, 2009, 09:52:09 PM
Okay what if I just flat out tell you that no one in that photo is a part of the final 3?But. But. But... Nevermind....
Post by: Chateau d If on April 30, 2009, 01:21:49 AM
Notice that none of the decoys has a race fanny pack. :tup:
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17788.0;attach=112574;image)
Post by: ImANewUser on April 30, 2009, 01:52:59 AM
Notice that none of the decoys has a race fanny pack. :tup:
True. Great catch, Chateau. :D :tup:
Post by: DrRox on April 30, 2009, 02:33:11 AM
Hawaii is 2 hours behind West Coast (Pacific Time) = 15:41 or 03:41 pm. This would be actual time in Hawaii, if
camera was a West Coast camera.
Hawaii is 3 hours behind Mountain Time = 14:41 or 02:41 pm This would be actual time in Hawaii, if
camera was a Mountain Zone camera
Hawaii is 4 hours behind Central Time = 13:42 or 01:41 pm This would be actual time in Hawaii if,
camera was a Central Zone camera.
Hawaii is 5 hours behind Eastern Time = 12:41 or 12:41 pm This would actual time in Hawaii, if
camera was an East Time Zone camera.
So, look at the pic and what time do you think it really is in the photo?
Post by: Cocoa on April 30, 2009, 02:38:37 AM
Post by: Ashe on April 30, 2009, 03:08:51 AM
And.. Christie & Jodi didn't have their stroll bags with them.Oh, they ditched them long ago. Right before they left Siberia.
Post by: apskip on April 30, 2009, 06:41:36 AM
QuoteWe know the race ended on the 21st
Puddin, if that's true and the date on the camera is correct, then possibly it's just a decoy photo and not a spoiler one. A speculative time line could be pit stop at 11 am., film for an hour or two, then go to the airport, do some decoy stuff at the airport, and then fly to Honolulu for the night. I don't think the racers would fly home that same day.
Seeing all of the Amazing Race paraphernalia out in the open if they were arriving seems kind of strange. Why call attention when it's not needed?
Pedaler, the last time I flew back from Honolulu, the one thing I remember is that flights to the East Coast typically left around 1pm to land early morning. the latest you can effectively leave to arrive by late afternoon is slightly after 9pm. For flights to LAX they leave around 11pm to land around noon. So that means that there would have been an array of options for booking flights back to the U.S. My guess is that few teams hung around Hawaii after being away from home well over 3 weeks. They would preferentially have flown out on the afternoon or evening of Nov. 21, depending on where they were going.
Post by: DrRox on April 30, 2009, 06:50:30 AM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3649/3487856435_18ef5d33a2.jpg?v=0)
Was it taken here, at Airport 1????
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3539/3488666216_514dc2d148.jpg?v=0)
Or was it taken here, at Airport 2???? The yellow pin is misplaced. It should be between the two cross walks.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3360/3488666050_0eec47bd23.jpg?v=0)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 30, 2009, 07:53:16 AM
My guess is that few teams hung around Hawaii after being away from home well over 3 weeks. They would preferentially have flown out on the afternoon or evening of Nov. 21, depending on where they were going.
It is my understanding that following the wrap party, racers did not depart until 11/22.
Again, the owner of the camera lives in CA, which still does NOT mean that the time is set correctly.
The photo was taken while the source "waited for their rental car", if that helps?
Also I have referenced a shot of Kahului Airport which looks a match to me.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3649/3487856435_18ef5d33a2.jpg?v=0)(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2014/Kahuluiairport.jpg)
Also note that the Final Mat spoiler says that the MAT took place AFTER 11AM, not AT 11AM....
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg380845.html#msg380845
Post by: Slowhatch on April 30, 2009, 10:16:52 AM
Post by: chill_sd on April 30, 2009, 12:17:05 PM
According to the original blogger (http://valdesfamily.blogspot.com/2008/11/where-ive-been.html) they were flying to Maui from the Sacramento area (or possibly SFO) on Friday 11/21, so a Friday afternoon arrival is consistent with this.
Is it possible the racers were arriving then also, and the finish was actually a day later?
Post by: FLFan on April 30, 2009, 12:49:06 PM
quote from graytex: "And who are they looking back toward? It looks like Jodi & the bros are looking back at the guy in the "A" ball cap. Wonder if he's with them."
i am sure this will be the most brilliant, eye-opening, 1st reply ever...
but, the second i saw that photo, i thought the guy in right, with A hat on, was LUKE. And i think the A cap looks fake, pasted on... Maybe this picture is AFTER the race is done...but why would they be holding those papers and filming them....????
I know -- doesn't make sense...but i just think it looks like Luke, doctored.....and doesn't he have a gray fleece pull-over??
The person with the the A cap has a regular pull-along suitcase, you can see him holding the handle. He also seems to be talking to the person in front of him with the red shirt or the person is talking to him. Third he is wearing flip-flops or sandals.
If it was Luke, there would be a backpack. I don't see any backpack straps and where would the pull-along suitcase come from. If it was Luke communicating, his hands would be up not at his side. Don't believe I have seen sandals on Luke this whole race and I don't peg Luke as the flip-flop type. I am not saying the people from Colorado don't have flip-flops, but between the weather and rocks they don't seem practical.
Post by: Neobie on April 30, 2009, 12:58:23 PM
Christie changed out of her pretty purple dress between the Koh Samui airport and the Kahului photo. Mike (the son) changed his shirt, but has kept his cargo pants. I'm thinking this means the teams didn't just arrive. It'd be hard to coordinate Michael/Mark and LaKisha/Jennifer to join the Elimination Station teams, unless they held everyone at Honolulu (where there isn't, presumably, a production base).
The earliest that ES teams could have arrived in Hawaii is on the morning of the 20th, and it is highly unlikely they waited until the 21st to arrive (also, they'd have been seen in Tokyo too). The earliest that Kisha/Jen could have arrived is on the morning of the 21st, together with the Final 3. Would they have had enough time to stage a decoy before the race finished?
Post by: chill_sd on April 30, 2009, 01:47:59 PM
While we work on a true time for this photo......where was this photo actually taken, geographicly, that is. Here are some things to take note of in the pic. There is a car, parked, over Mike White's right shoulder. The road sign indicates a two lane road. There is a very brisk wind blowing those palm trees. Trade winds are from the E/NE. How many rows of cars are there in the parking lot? There are cross walk signs, just beyond the racers.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3649/3487856435_18ef5d33a2.jpg?v=0)
Was it taken here, at Airport 1????
(Image removed for brevity)
Or was it taken here, at Airport 2???? The yellow pin is misplaced. It should be between the two cross walks.
(Image removed for brevity)
The photo is definitely from Airport 1 - Kahului. Airport 2 is Kapalua, which doesn't have that much parking.
Post by: georgiapeach on April 30, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
Is it possible the racers were arriving then also, and the finish was actually a day later?
No, sorry.
But :welcome: to RFF, glad to have you!
Post by: DrRox on April 30, 2009, 02:16:49 PM
I don't see any backpack straps and where would the pull-along suitcase come from.
If you look at the last elimination station, all the teams were packing up their luggage. Some had the pull along suitcases and others had large duffle bags. Last race, TAR13, when Bill and Mark got to the elimination station in Mexico, their pull along suitcases were waiting for them in their room at the foot of their beds.
Christie changed out of her pretty purple dress between the Koh Samui airport and the Kahului photo. Mike (the son) changed his shirt, but has kept his cargo pants. I'm thinking this means the teams didn't just arrive. It'd be hard to coordinate Michael/Mark and LaKisha/Jennifer to join the Elimination Station teams, unless they held everyone at Honolulu (where there isn't, presumably, a production base).
Even if they didn't tell the eliminated teams they were headed to Hawaii, they all knew they were going to a finish line city in the US somewhere. If I was flying from Koh Samui to the US, I sure would have a change of clothes in my carryon, and freshen up somewhere along the way. I have done it before in the bathroom on the plane on very long flights. Also, airlines will let large traveling groups have conference rooms all to themselves at the airport, sometimes in the past with refreshments, etc. So all the teams could have been sesquestered in a room like that at HNL, before flying to Maui. Production could have gotten all the Koh Samui racers into HNL the day before and as long as they were not advertizing, no one would know they were TAR. Then they could start decoying when they get off plane in Maui on their way to finish line.
Post by: georgiapeach on April 30, 2009, 02:33:40 PM
Is it possible the racers were arriving then also, and the finish was actually a day later?
No, sorry.
Post by: chill_sd on April 30, 2009, 03:17:17 PM
But :welcome: to RFF, glad to have you!
Thank you, you guys and gals are great. :wohoo:
Post by: apskip on April 30, 2009, 03:44:58 PM
If it helps us figure out anything about the race...
Christie changed out of her pretty purple dress between the Koh Samui airport and the Kahului photo. Mike (the son) changed his shirt, but has kept his cargo pants. I'm thinking this means the teams didn't just arrive. It'd be hard to coordinate Michael/Mark and LaKisha/Jennifer to join the Elimination Station teams, unless they held everyone at Honolulu (where there isn't, presumably, a production base).
The earliest that ES teams could have arrived in Hawaii is on the morning of the 20th, and it is highly unlikely they waited until the 21st to arrive (also, they'd have been seen in Tokyo too). The earliest that Kisha/Jen could have arrived is on the morning of the 21st, together with the Final 3. Would they have had enough time to stage a decoy before the race finished?
Neobie,
You know the answer to that. The flights from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu do not allow anyone to arrive same day earlier than JO76. So, the question is could Kisha/Jen got off on Nov. 20? We start with the TBC for them slightly before midnight becoming Nov. 20. An Hours of Operation is highly likely, so tasks will be done that morning and they will be eliminated before noon. They could get on any of these flights to Narita with its matching NRT HNL flight shown:
NH906 1445 1915 paired with NW22 or NH 1072 or JO74
JL782 1520 1950 paired with NW22 or NH1052 or JO74
CA421 1640 2100 paired with maybe JO72
So it is feasible. Did they do so right after the back end of 2 TBC legs? I don't think so because they would not be getting any rest for 2 days straight. This isn't Amazing Race Asia. My guess is they ran decoy after the Finish Line.
Post by: Pedaler on April 30, 2009, 04:11:35 PM
Quote
My guess is they ran decoy after the Finish Line.
That's mine too. I also looked at the weather site that Slowhatch cited and the weather matches up to the afternoon of Nov 22.
My last comment on the photo is that none of racers is wearing or carrying a light jacket like the two guys on the right. If they were just getting off the plane, then at least some of them would also have a light jacket.
My guess is that this group of racers came straight from the finish line, possibly while the final 3 were conducting their post race interviews.
I saw that beautiful photo of the finish line that Georgia Peach posted. I hope the "Maui Snow" wasn't falling on it when the winners crossed the line.
Post by: FLFan on April 30, 2009, 05:45:58 PM
I don't see any backpack straps and where would the pull-along suitcase come from.
If you look at the last elimination station, all the teams were packing up their luggage. Some had the pull along suitcases and others had large duffle bags. Last race, TAR13, when Bill and Mark got to the elimination station in Mexico, their pull along suitcases were waiting for them in their room at the foot of their beds.
<snip>
I assumed that any additional luggage and such, not designated as backpack / race items, would only appear in your hotel room during the rest breaks, if or as allowed. The racer would NOT be respsonsible for retrieving them, nor transporting them. So why would a racer have regular luggage at that point? If anyone else had suitcases or such, I would agree.
I took a group bus tour several years ago. When I checked in at the tour, I was given luggage ID tags for each piece of non-hand carry items. These tags were placed on the luggage. Every morning that we traveled, you placed your labeled lugguage outside your hotel room, dropped your key off at the hotel desk, and went to breakfast with your hand-carried items. While the group ate, the luggage was retrieved and place on the bus. Once everyone ate we started touring. As long as you and your lugguage were OUT of your room by the appointed time, you never had to worry about your luggage. I basically assumed that any allowed additional personal luggage would be treated the same by race support staff - whether you got to see it during rest breaks or not at all until you were eliminated.
Post by: DrRox on April 30, 2009, 09:34:33 PM
I don't see any backpack straps and where would the pull-along suitcase come from.
If you look at the last elimination station, all the teams were packing up their luggage. Some had the pull along suitcases and others had large duffle bags. Last race, TAR13, when Bill and Mark got to the elimination station in Mexico, their pull along suitcases were waiting for them in their room at the foot of their beds.
<snip>
Well, the same thoughts I have had. Maybe that is where those numbered tags come in. When team #6 is eliminated, the the luggage with #6 tags are pulled out of the pile and sent with the respective team to ES. Personally, I don't think those two guys have anything to do with the race. But I do like the idea of after finish line decoying by the group. They could have had the other 4 eliminated teams somewhere else doing the same thing.
That will be a good question for TARcon. Do the teams have access to their "associated luggage" while still in the race?
I assumed that any additional luggage and such, not designated as backpack / race items, would only appear in your hotel room during the rest breaks, if or as allowed. The racer would NOT be respsonsible for retrieving them, nor transporting them. So why would a racer have regular luggage at that point? If anyone else had suitcases or such, I would agree.
I took a group bus tour several years ago. When I checked in at the tour, I was given luggage ID tags for each piece of non-hand carry items. These tags were placed on the luggage. Every morning that we traveled, you placed your labeled lugguage outside your hotel room, dropped your key off at the hotel desk, and went to breakfast with your hand-carried items. While the group ate, the luggage was retrieved and place on the bus. Once everyone ate we started touring. As long as you and your lugguage were OUT of your room by the appointed time, you never had to worry about your luggage. I basically assumed that any allowed additional personal luggage would be treated the same by race support staff - whether you got to see it during rest breaks or not at all until you were eliminated.
Post by: georgiapeach on April 30, 2009, 11:10:39 PM
My guess is that this group of racers came straight from the finish line, possibly while the final 3 were conducting their post race interviews.
The photo was apparently not taken after the Mat. Friday AM remains a real possibility.
Post by: tigellinus on May 01, 2009, 07:49:08 AM
Even if the segment will only last 4 minutes and no one can really look their best getting up before 6:00 am.
Post by: Ashe on May 01, 2009, 10:52:53 AM
I gotta be honest...win or lose (and frankly at this point the edit and other sources point to an obvious V/T win here, which is cool)No, it's not. Because the key word is "obvious." I hate "obvious."
Post by: Jobby on May 01, 2009, 11:02:34 AM
I gotta be honest...win or lose (and frankly at this point the edit and other sources point to an obvious V/T win here, which is cool)No, it's not. Because the key word is "obvious." I hate "obvious."
I think there is no such think as an "obvious" edit. If not TK and Rachel would not have won. So what's the big deal with "obvious" and hating it, when there's no such thing as an "obvious" edit on TAR? :res:
Post by: gator27 on May 01, 2009, 01:25:32 PM
I gotta be honest...win or lose (and frankly at this point the edit and other sources point to an obvious V/T win here, which is cool)No, it's not. Because the key word is "obvious." I hate "obvious."
I think there is no such think as an "obvious" edit. If not TK and Rachel would not have won. So what's the big deal with "obvious" and hating it, when there's no such thing as an "obvious" edit on TAR? :res:
Editing is related to how interesting you are at the moment, not necessarily how you finish.
Post by: selkie on May 01, 2009, 03:08:17 PM
In their Must list section earlier in the issue, Luke, Margie, Jamie, and, oddly enough, Kisha and Jen get mentioned as part of Must #4 for the week. (Race season finale) Tammy and Victor are mentioned in neither blurb. So Margie and Luke are almost certainly through to the finale, and I'd say that if Must #4 is referring to the actual finale episode (and they seem to be getting earlier screeners this year) then the picture upthread might indeed be a shot filmed after the finish.
Post by: walkingpneumonia on May 01, 2009, 03:27:29 PM
You can see it better in this "enhanced" version... :smoke
Post by: puddin on May 01, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
Got my copy of the latest Entertainment Weekly today. Their 'tv picks for the week of May 4-10' section has a big mention and picture of Margie and Luke in the recommendations for the May 10 episode, and EW has had those kind of light spoilers before this season in that section (ie. the magazine showing showing Mel and Mike would make it to Russia #2 arrived at my house before Russia #1 aired)The problem being Kisha and Jen are not in the final 3.
In their Must list section earlier in the issue, Luke, Margie, Jamie, and, oddly enough, Kisha and Jen get mentioned as part of Must #4 for the week. (Race season finale) Tammy and Victor are mentioned in neither blurb. So Margie and Luke are almost certainly through to the finale, and I'd say that if Must #4 is referring to the actual finale episode (and they seem to be getting earlier screeners this year) then the picture upthread might indeed be a shot filmed after the finish.
walkingpneumonia you crack me up :lol:
Post by: georgiapeach on May 01, 2009, 03:50:52 PM
We need to put you to work in our Photochop thread!!
Post by: apskip on May 01, 2009, 04:09:44 PM
I can't read it very well, but the two words that stand out are Siberia on the first line and Chekhov on the second line. it looks to me that there is a display for that book set up on the sidewalk in front of him.
Post by: TARAsia Fan on May 01, 2009, 05:47:12 PM
Post by: TexasLady on May 01, 2009, 10:03:29 PM
I gotta be honest...win or lose (and frankly at this point the edit and other sources point to an obvious V/T win here, which is cool), but the best thing about C/J in the Final 3?!...*FINALLY* getting to see Jaime and Cara in glorious HD on the Early Show Monday morning!! ;D
Even if the segment will only last 4 minutes and no one can really look their best getting up before 6:00 am.
Welcome to RFF tigellinus. I am hoping for the best for C/J but I'm cool with whoever wins (but I do favor them.) :-[
Post by: dirrty08 on May 03, 2009, 12:11:56 AM
Maybe, just maybe, Jen & Keisha made final 3 and are the first team to arrive in Hawaii.. I also notice that they did not carry any bags. It could be possible that they just chuck away their back packs & continue with the race. I mean hey, it is for a million bucks. I know some of u will say where is the soundman if Keisha & Jen are in the final 3. If u look closely to the cameraman, there's already a microphone on the cam and the sound man is needed when teams are making audible dialouges.
Or like some of u said, they record all the decoys after the final mat. Could be another possibilities also. Now, nothing is certain for me. I mean it could go a lot of ways. Jamie & Cara are seen together with Margie & Luke. It could also be possible that one of the teams are a decoy to another.
We'll just wait and see.
Post by: makz3d on May 03, 2009, 04:21:57 AM
I know some of u will say where is the soundman if Keisha & Jen are in the final 3. If u look closely to the cameraman, there's already a microphone on the cam and the sound man is needed when teams are making audible dialouges.
I think the sound man could be in front of the closest cameraman. Check the cameraman's legs. There you can see an ankle and foot for a male's right leg and then a smidgen of the left leg by the knee of the closest cameraman.
Post by: DrRox on May 03, 2009, 06:58:18 AM
I think the sound man could be in front of the closest cameraman. Check the cameraman's legs. There you can see an ankle and foot for a male's right leg and then a smidgen of the left leg by the knee of the closest cameraman.
Actually that is another cameraman, hidden by the camaraman in the foreground. If you look real close, you can see two cameras....one sticking out in the front, 4-5 inches, of the other camera.
Post by: Neobie on May 03, 2009, 08:26:10 AM
That is all.
Post by: Moo on May 03, 2009, 08:45:18 AM
The Shanghai spoiler. (http://www.icshanghai.com/shanghairush/about.shtml)
That is all.
This looks cool... but Shanghai is too small for 14 episodes :funny: Extreme China much!
Post by: georgiapeach on May 04, 2009, 09:02:51 AM
The Shanghai spoiler. (http://www.icshanghai.com/shanghairush/about.shtml)
That is all.
I like wrapping up loose ends...thank you Neobie!!
Post by: puddin on May 04, 2009, 01:18:04 PM
:lock
Post by: apskip on May 14, 2009, 02:05:34 PM
One extra interesting item that has been reported by Margie in an interview and during the live RFF interview with Trevor and rob is what happened in Guilin the first night. Apparently, they went up the mountain and slept in sleeping bags that each team had brought. It was cold and rainy and uncomfortable.
The same question applies to what happened between the faux pit stop in Beijing, but there are no answers to that yet.