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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #250 on: June 25, 2008, 02:18:04 PM »
Apskip, I believe you have more experience with restaurants and running a kitchen than most of us, who would you give the nod to?



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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #251 on: June 25, 2008, 02:54:36 PM »
My experience is half-owner briefly of a restaurant and frequent fine dining all over Europe and parts of the U.S. I like Petrozza. He is stable and steady and has managerial experience and lots of kitchen experience. Also, he has the respect of Gordon Ramsay, which none of the other contestants ever developed, based on his truthful and accurate assessments whenever Ramsay asked for them. The prize is his to lose.

Christina shows great potential but she has no present experience in managing a kitchen. She has loads of culinary talent, which is why she made it to the Final 2. however, there is no substitute for the experience and I doubt Ramsay would take a risk on her.

To some extent it is a little like last year with Rock(more kitchen experience) vs. Bonnie(little kitchen experience). More kitchen experience won; there wasn't any significant difference in their actual running of the kitchens in the Finale that I could discern.


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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #252 on: June 26, 2008, 05:35:33 PM »
Update:

Gordon Ramsay was in attendance for Nelson Mendela's 90th Birthday dinner celebrations

Images of Ramsay are in the link below:

http://www.dlisted.com/node/26794/images/mandelaramsay.jpg

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=1&language=en-US&family=editorial&p=gordon%20ramsay&src=standard#1

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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #253 on: June 26, 2008, 09:33:33 PM »
My experience is half-owner briefly of a restaurant and frequent fine dining all over Europe and parts of the U.S. I like Petrozza. He is stable and steady and has managerial experience and lots of kitchen experience. Also, he has the respect of Gordon Ramsay, which none of the other contestants ever developed, based on his truthful and accurate assessments whenever Ramsay asked for them. The prize is his to lose.

Christina shows great potential but she has no present experience in managing a kitchen. She has loads of culinary talent, which is why she made it to the Final 2. however, there is no substitute for the experience and I doubt Ramsay would take a risk on her.

To some extent it is a little like last year with Rock(more kitchen experience) vs. Bonnie(little kitchen experience). More kitchen experience won; there wasn't any significant difference in their actual running of the kitchens in the Finale that I could discern.

Thanks for your insight. The prize is his to lose. That says it all Apskip.
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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #254 on: July 02, 2008, 08:45:08 AM »
Last night's episode had Petrozza beating Christina 3-2 in a challenge to prepare their signature dishes. Petrozza's win gave him the first pick of helpers. He chose Bobby. Christina chose Corey. He chose Ben. She chose Louross. that leaves Matt and Jen.  This presents a Hobson's choice(essentially the lesser of the two evils). The epsiode ended before that decision was presented. I think Petrozza is coming from behind and has to pick Jen in spite of the major risks she poses.


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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #255 on: July 02, 2008, 09:12:54 AM »
Last night's episode had Petrozza beating Christina 3-2 in a challenge to prepare their signature dishes. Petrozza's win gave him the first pick of helpers. He chose Bobby. Christina chose Corey. He chose Ben. She chose Louross. that leaves Matt and Jen.  This presents a Hobson's choice(essentially the lesser of the two evils). The epsiode ended before that decision was presented. I think Petrozza is coming from behind and has to pick Jen in spite of the major risks she poses.

Hobson's choice indeed. I didn't think Petrozza had any good choices with the possible exception of Bobby who really was not shown to be a mess in the kitchen unlike Matt.

Christina probably got the better of the bunch, Corey would not work her heart out for Petrozza whereas she will for Christina, they do make a good team. Louross is not a klutz, he can do well.

Jen is the wild card, I think she will work harder for Petrozza than she would for Christina. Matt is a mess, but he'll probably do better for Christina.

I had to laugh about the restaurant themes, Christina chose stripes then said she hates stripes and had to come up with a solution. (Crisis management testing?)  I'm also thinking that the fireplace being too large was also a test to see if she would give up space. It makes no sense that they could not have found a smaller one.

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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #256 on: July 03, 2008, 10:37:14 AM »
I despise Jen and it is clear that she is extremely bitter and still thinks she is better than everyone. I have a feeling she is going to be a huge liability for whomever she cooks for, she has a crappy attitude and I think that is going to destroy either Petrozza or Christina's chance to win.

Which really sucks a lot!

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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #257 on: July 03, 2008, 12:28:55 PM »
The one thing working to promote a harmonious team player approach by Jen in the Finale part 2 is that she is on film as a nasty, mean bitch who has no concept of team player. Wouldn't it benefit her future a great deal to show that she can be an effective team player when the gravity of the situation warrants. The question is whether Jen has the minimal intelligence to be able to figure out what I just stated. I hope so for the sake of whichever finalist gets her.

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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #258 on: July 03, 2008, 12:40:59 PM »
If I were Petrozza, I'd pick her and then tell her, look, you had trouble with the other team from day one but I believe in you. I want you to be a team player for me, cook your heart out as I know you can and show the world what you can do. (Stroke her ego.)

Nothing on God's green earth can help Matt.  :badhorse:
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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #259 on: July 04, 2008, 03:32:23 PM »
The one thing working to promote a harmonious team player approach by Jen in the Finale part 2 is that she is on film as a nasty, mean bitch who has no concept of team player. Wouldn't it benefit her future a great deal to show that she can be an effective team player when the gravity of the situation warrants. The question is whether Jen has the minimal intelligence to be able to figure out what I just stated. I hope so for the sake of whichever finalist gets her.

Nasty mean bitch is right apskip she absolutely lacks the attributes of a team player 


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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #260 on: July 04, 2008, 08:45:47 PM »
Jen is stupid she will mess it up! Not once has she ever given the impression that she cares about anyone but herself.

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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #261 on: July 04, 2008, 09:44:50 PM »
If not Jen, then the only one left then is Matt...  :ascared
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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #262 on: July 08, 2008, 08:57:21 PM »
Cristina WINS  :wohoo:! Thats my girl  :yess: :jumpy:

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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #263 on: July 08, 2008, 09:22:11 PM »
I'm shocked but very happy! I'm just watching now so I will be curious to see why he picked her. But I really believe that he sees more potential and growth in a 25 year old than a 47 year old. Frankly if Petrozza was that talented he would have gotten somewhere by now there is a reason he is 47 years old and just runs a catering business. I think he lacks organizational skills and doesn't seem as focused. That may have made Chef Ramsay nervous.
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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #264 on: July 08, 2008, 09:50:01 PM »
Cristina WINS  :wohoo:! Thats my girl  :yess: :jumpy:

I knew Puddin would be happy!  :hearts:

BBKates, I think you hit it. I was surprised as well. I believe he sees more potential in Christina and he worked with her and observed her work while all we saw was edited.

Petrozza doesn't appear to plan ahead, he seems to go wobbly for a bit. Even Jen commented on the lack of a menu for them as a guide and no prep work done. Hopefully he will do well and take this experience and put it to good use.

Congratulations to Christina!  :tup:
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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #265 on: July 08, 2008, 10:12:29 PM »
I don't think I watched the same show as Gordon Ramsay, so the comment cards were probably heavily in Christina's favor (although the filmed ones certiainly seemed to favor Petrozza). If Ramsay wanted to make the decision on "potential" why bother for 15 episodes? I could have told him at the beginning based on the credentials of each of the chefs that Christina had way more potential than Petrozza. They both did a good job of runing their kitchens. I thought the nod should have gone to Petrozza.

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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #266 on: July 08, 2008, 10:44:49 PM »
I think his lack of preparation was his downfall. At times in the last two episodes he seemed lost.

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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #267 on: July 09, 2008, 11:59:55 PM »

It's been a terrific season guys I had a blast with all of you

A heads up for next season:

Hell's Kitchen 5 will be returning on a new day and time Thursdays at 8:00 PM







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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #268 on: July 10, 2008, 12:08:25 AM »
I didn't know we had a thread for this! I watched the show on Fox, then again online, then again on Sundays on Fox Reality Channel. Goodness! I'll have to make sure to talk the show with you all next season.

I thought Christina deserved the win. Petrozza certainly didn't lose by much. But Jen is just plain awful! I hated her attitude this season. But I really think Corey would have been a better choice for the final.
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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #269 on: July 10, 2008, 12:11:55 AM »
I didn't know we had a thread for this! I watched the show on Fox, then again online, then again on Sundays on Fox Reality Channel. Goodness! I'll have to make sure to talk the show with you all next season.

I thought Christina deserved the win. Petrozza certainly didn't lose by much. But Jen is just plain awful! I hated her attitude this season. But I really think Corey would have been a better choice for the final.
My selfish fear was that if Corey were in the final 2 she would have won shutting out my gal Christina.


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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #270 on: July 10, 2008, 12:13:26 AM »
They should bring back Jen every season to sabotage one finalist. She's perfect for that.
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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #271 on: July 10, 2008, 12:23:15 AM »
They should bring back Jen every season to sabotage one finalist. She's perfect for that.
It was so frustrating to watch Jen & Matt's performance. I would swear they were paid extra just to sabotage.

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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #272 on: July 10, 2008, 08:37:58 AM »
I don't think Ramsay would trigger sabotage of the Final, but I'm sure that FOX would. So who was really in charge of the Hell's Kitchen show? I certainly can't answer that one.

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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #273 on: July 10, 2008, 11:14:42 AM »
They should bring back Jen every season to sabotage one finalist. She's perfect for that.
It was so frustrating to watch Jen & Matt's performance. I would swear they were paid extra just to sabotage.

My very thought!!!! Jen/Omerosa sabotage!

I still don't understand Christine over Petrozza, the comments seemed good for him about his food and his service didn't bog down. I'm with apskip there.
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Re: Hell's Kitchen Season 4
« Reply #274 on: July 10, 2008, 11:49:43 AM »
And now, A Moment with Jen:

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I want to thank TARAsia Fan for giving me a chance to respond to you all. I just want to say I was the best chef out there. The reason why Chef Ramsay didn't choose me was because he knew how good I was. He knew I would outshine him as the Executive Chef of his restaurant. I'm better than Chef, you know. And Petrozza??? Christine??? I'm 10 times better than them. Everyone chose me for elimination because they were afraid of me. I can outcook everyone in my sleep. And when we ran out of bleu cheese? That wasn't my fault because Petrozza should have checked that. And Chef Ramsay should have known because it's his restaurant. All I know is that I'm the greatest chef I know because I can cook better than anyone out there. Bobby? He's a wuss! Louross? Horrible! Corey? What is she? Matt? Are you kidding me? I should have been the winner, but forget them all! I'll do my own show and you'll see how good I am. And another thing, this TARAsia Fan....

Thank you, Jen. I need my notebook back.

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Hey! I'm not finished!

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