Archive > Survivor 40: Winners At War
S40: Ep 12: "Friendly Fire" (4/29)
Kamineko:
--- Quote from: Jobby on April 30, 2020, 01:18:40 AM ---Everyone remaining is just... NOT very winner worthy I feel. Tony is playing an awesome game and if he wins, I respect that. BUT that doesn't mean I like him as a winner. Why do you have to try so hard? Lame.
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Somehow I agree with you Jobby. I think after the old schools are eliminated, the remaining players starting to feel too comfortable with the state they are in and nobody really wants to make a big move by blindsiding someone or just anything really.
I think the pre-merge of this season is interesting but somehow heartbreaking with the old schools are getting voted off one by one. However, with no more old school players remaining in the tribe, they don't really have the main target anymore, hence all the whispering every tribal council :res:. I feel that now they're playing just to stay safe but without making any necessary moves, because they don't want to become a sudden target after an absence of a target. That's why I think Jeremy suddenly become the target because he's using his advantage.
I think the remaining players want to make a case where: (1) they have an Idol or any advantage but don't have to use it because they're not the target or (2) they helped creating/voting off some "sudden" threats and stay safe because they're not a threat anymore. But that makes the game so boring to watch. With Tony winning 3 (2 before this episode) immunity challenges in a row should make him a target, but nobody wants to win against him because they are starting to become his minions :res:. They would rather seeing him winning the immunity challenges, and then just follow any instruction he gives for the voting, instead of winning themselves so that they don't become a target for winning a challenge :res:.
Bookworm:
The chief issues are issues with modern survivor and are easily solvable- too many advantages that stifle instead of ramp up gameplay (the HII being the best example of a "good" advantage) and poor storytelling that focuses on individual episodes and shock value rather than season-long storylines. The latter in particular should be so easy to fix, and it's more noticeable & noteworthy this season because we as an audience know everyone well and got to know most of them during a time when there were stories in survivor.
I look forward to Survivor every week, but last episode didn't really thrill me at all. If everything is falling into place for Tony, at least show other players talking about him to diversify the perspective. Give them storylines that link to his, like Sarah.
And I agree with Kami that people are too averse to make targets of themselves and it's sickening. Let's make pacts that last more than a single vote; otherwise we get the same unsatisfying endgames that we've had since Game Changers. It should have been an alarm to CBS/Survivor during the IOI finale that something needed to change when none of the players had ever made fire (Tommy, Lauren, Dean) by Day 38. If the show has progressed to a point where the gameplay, derived from the game format, actively discourages survival skills, then the show isn't Survivor anymore.
Nuku:
I'm also fairly disappointed with this season. It's like none of them actually want to play besides Tony! The boot order was extremely saddening for most fans and now we still have ben nick and michele in the game who have floated and flip flopped which ever way they please! I'm not sure about the way the did the immunity challenge either with the tempting coming at what seemed like a very late point in the challenge. The most entertaining parts of the show are usually on edge of extinction so i'm kind of glad that that's in play although I think a final 7 return would work better than 5! This season is really disappointing me so i honestly think the best way to rebound would be bring back the best players to never win: they'd game incredibly hard! I hate watching this because tony and sarah have controlled the game from the beginning and the only person who would be able to dethrone them would be jeremy, but he has to work with them in order to stay alive! So at this point i think our best final 3 would be Sarah, Tony, and Jeremy and i just pray this season picks up the gameplay by ALL players in the next few episodes!
Jobby:
--- Quote from: Kamineko on April 30, 2020, 06:54:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: Jobby on April 30, 2020, 01:18:40 AM ---Everyone remaining is just... NOT very winner worthy I feel. Tony is playing an awesome game and if he wins, I respect that. BUT that doesn't mean I like him as a winner. Why do you have to try so hard? Lame.
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Somehow I agree with you Jobby. I think after the old schools are eliminated, the remaining players starting to feel too comfortable with the state they are in and nobody really wants to make a big move by blindsiding someone or just anything really.
I think the pre-merge of this season is interesting but somehow heartbreaking with the old schools are getting voted off one by one. However, with no more old school players remaining in the tribe, they don't really have the main target anymore, hence all the whispering every tribal council :res:. I feel that now they're playing just to stay safe but without making any necessary moves, because they don't want to become a sudden target after an absence of a target. That's why I think Jeremy suddenly become the target because he's using his advantage.
I think the remaining players want to make a case where: (1) they have an Idol or any advantage but don't have to use it because they're not the target or (2) they helped creating/voting off some "sudden" threats and stay safe because they're not a threat anymore. But that makes the game so boring to watch. With Tony winning 3 (2 before this episode) immunity challenges in a row should make him a target, but nobody wants to win against him because they are starting to become his minions :res:. They would rather seeing him winning the immunity challenges, and then just follow any instruction he gives for the voting, instead of winning themselves so that they don't become a target for winning a challenge :res:.
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Exactly. I don’t even like Tony. But at this point of time he deserves to win because those people are not even trying to get rid of him.
Even without his Immunity, they are not even going to do it. That makes Tony a potential deserving winner this season, and it makes me infuriated because he is playing with so many post season 30 winners, who are refusing to do anything.
It just cements my thoughts that the new school Survivors are no way in comparison to the old school ones. They had the skills and the talks to bring themselves to the end.
Watching Sarah pisses me off. She deserved to win her season, but was she the best person if there’s no advantages? No. It would have been Cirie.
And then you look at Ben. It just confirms that he’s really a Low-tier winner. He just hopes to find advantages and build alliances but what does he bring to the game.
Then you have Michele and Nick. What are they doing???
What is Denise even doing for her strategic game?
I am just confused with Jeremy’s game play as well.
Even Kim. I feel that if I were her I rather go to EoE! These people just refuse to make big moves for fear of being the next Denise.
Best season ever? You gotta be kidding Jeff Probst.
I’ll rather have full hour EoE episodes watching those people who have a fighting spirit.
Jobby:
--- Quote from: Bookworm on April 30, 2020, 07:55:46 AM ---The chief issues are issues with modern survivor and are easily solvable- too many advantages that stifle instead of ramp up gameplay (the HII being the best example of a "good" advantage) and poor storytelling that focuses on individual episodes and shock value rather than season-long storylines. The latter in particular should be so easy to fix, and it's more noticeable & noteworthy this season because we as an audience know everyone well and got to know most of them during a time when there were stories in survivor.
I look forward to Survivor every week, but last episode didn't really thrill me at all. If everything is falling into place for Tony, at least show other players talking about him to diversify the perspective. Give them storylines that link to his, like Sarah.
And I agree with Kami that people are too averse to make targets of themselves and it's sickening. Let's make pacts that last more than a single vote; otherwise we get the same unsatisfying endgames that we've had since Game Changers. It should have been an alarm to CBS/Survivor during the IOI finale that something needed to change when none of the players had ever made fire (Tommy, Lauren, Dean) by Day 38. If the show has progressed to a point where the gameplay, derived from the game format, actively discourages survival skills, then the show isn't Survivor anymore.
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THIS THIS THIS.
And the narrative we have here are so different from the ones I see on Survivor’s social media. They are calling Denise’s move the best one ever (have they truly watched EVERY SEASON??) and they adore Tony’s craziness plus the tribal whisperings.
I get it. Tribal whisperings are good for TV, but it is so annoying when we don’t even understand what they are even whispering about because the outcome was so expected. KIM or Denise will GO HOME. And I’m telling you with all the edits, there’s no way Denise is making it to the end.
And my main issue with it is how easy these idols are now found. I know it has been the case since Season 20 when Sandra randomly found an idol but at least it was FAIR. Everyone scrambled to find one after Jeff gave a clue. But these idols now are so easily placed and you wonder, why bother to strategise when you can just keep finding HII!!!!????
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