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AlbertHodges:
--- Quote from: dtrain on September 20, 2012, 05:30:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: keyblvds on September 20, 2012, 04:20:06 PM ---Well-put, Albert, I complettely agree with your analysis. Dan left out the emotional factor, which cost him the game.
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Dan left out the emotional factor because he probably hoped the jury would vote on gameplay rather than emotional. He felt he had to play ruthless to win this season. The moves he pulled and how much manipulation he had on people were some of the best in BB history IMO.
As for his speach, I don't think there was anything that could have been said to win back the jury. They were all obviously bitter and voted on emotions which is exactly what Dan was hoping wouldn't happen. The fact that he won BB before didn't help.
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the social game and building relationships with the other HGs is just as, if not more important, than winning comps or winning HOH or POV. Failure to incorporate that part of the game into your strategy is just as stupid as a tennis coach teaching his students how to return serve but not how to serve themselves.
The only way Dan can be considered a great player is by ignoring or minimizing the socal game. Sorry, that spin doesnt work.
dtrain:
--- Quote from: AlbertHodges on September 20, 2012, 05:44:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: dtrain on September 20, 2012, 05:30:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: keyblvds on September 20, 2012, 04:20:06 PM ---Well-put, Albert, I complettely agree with your analysis. Dan left out the emotional factor, which cost him the game.
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Dan left out the emotional factor because he probably hoped the jury would vote on gameplay rather than emotional. He felt he had to play ruthless to win this season. The moves he pulled and how much manipulation he had on people were some of the best in BB history IMO.
As for his speach, I don't think there was anything that could have been said to win back the jury. They were all obviously bitter and voted on emotions which is exactly what Dan was hoping wouldn't happen. The fact that he won BB before didn't help.
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the social game and building relationships with the other HGs is just as, if not more important, than winning comps or winning HOH or POV. Failure to incorporate that part of the game into your strategy is just as stupid as a tennis coach teaching his students how to return serve but not how to serve themselves.
The only way Dan can be considered a great player is by ignoring or minimizing the socal game. Sorry, that spin doesnt work.
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Dan built relationships and trust IN THE HOUSE arguably better than anyone. How else was he able to stab so many people in the back? Breaking people's trust is what was able to get the big dogs out of the house and is part of BB.
If Dan had a bad social game, then what made him get to the F2? It WAS his social game IMO. Frank was a beast in comps but didn't even make it to the F6 because he had a terrible social game. I guess that's where we disagree... I feel Dan had arguably the best social game and many people in the house even said that Dan had a strong social game.
I think it's safe to say that many people agree that Dan had the best gameplay. Many of the juror members and evicted HGs agreed, as well as many viewers. I don't see how you can say he's not a great player when many people considered him to have the best gameplay, and that's what BB should be judged on.
AlbertHodges:
He lost.
He lost because he played as if the jurors didnt matter.
Social faming requires mre that just getting the hg's to trust you so that you can screw them.
I also would say that the hg's didnt trust him because of his game play THIS year but rather because of his gameplay when he won his season. Great play that year, TERRIBLE SHORT-SIGHTED game play this year.
dtrain:
He lost because the jurors were bitter, plain and simple. Ultimately he lost, but not because of poor gameplay or a poor social game, he had both the best overall gameplay and best social game IMO. How the jury votes is virtually out of his control... there's no rules on how to vote, and voting on emotions is just plain wrong IMO. He had almost all of the HGs as allies until he had them evicted... they just couldn't admit defeat. I guess if you think you know more than some of the most experienced BB players to ever play (Mike Boogie and Janelle), then I guess you're right.
If the HG's didn't trust him, why did they constantly take his word? They may not have trusted him, but they fell for every move. I guess we both also have different opinions on what short-sighted gameplay would be. I wouldn't call getting to the F2, winning $50k, outlasting 14(?) other HGs when you were a huge threat since the reset and virtually controlling the house for the second half of the show, short-sighted gameplay by ANY means... I would call that quite the accomplishment.
If Danielle and Dan were F2, even Danielle probably would've beat Dan. Using your logic, Danielle played a better game than Dan, and that's seriously LAUGHABLE because Danielle was essentially Dan's puppet from Day 1.
Agree to disagree...
bbjunkey:
When you enter the BB house with 16 or however many players start the game-- and navigate all the detours, twists that are there by both the other hgs and BB and end up in the final two that's says a lot. THe hg's, in this case Dan and Ian, getting to f2 both win in different ways. This game will be disputed for a few weeks on who really won. If it wasn't for Dan constantly stirring the pot, Ian wouldn't even be there to claim the prize in the end. THis is the game of BB-- not Sunday school - every one play nice. Every season since BB started we have villains and those who play nice and fair. Most of the BB winners and final players have carried a little controversial baggage of some sort with them throughout the game. I like the fireworks this series creates. I like that it takes people out of their comfort zone, puts them in a "skinner box" where they try to bump each other off. And every hg has a different method for bumping their opponents off. The one thing I like about this show--- real world rules of conduct don't really apply here. Thats why it's just a game!!
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