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TAR 20 Transport
Zack.:
Of course, they could also force teams to fly to Narita. On the 19th there were two options:
JC3010 0815 0924
QR 802 1745 1904
If it's a 12(ish) hour Pit Stop, they can make either flight; if it's more than 18 hours they can take the second. The first flight provides a long layover (nearly 10 hours) while the second flight gives less than two hours to connect. My experience in NRT is admittedly nonexistent, but I wouldn't think that WRP would gamble on a two hour connection and risk teams to be a day behind when a safer alternative exists. Moreover WRP doesn't seem to want to spare any expense regarding getting teams to the final city (flying via Lufthansa in TAR 13, the shortened Pit Stops in TAR 13/15 to get teams together on a flight, taking a completely different flight after the sick pilot delayed things in TAR 18, etc).
Fearless prediction: 12 hour pit stop (finally!), Teams get the 'Fly to Honolulu!' clue and in the additional information are given that they must connect through Tokyo (if they aren't given what flight to take outright). JC3010 is used to get to NRT, while one of the options apskip gives is used to get to Honolulu.
apskip:
Zack,
I appreciate your vote of confidence for my hypothesis on the most likely route from Osaka to Tokyo. However, with all the delays from security procedures, check-ins, and possible delays in the flight, I find it unlikely that teams would have been placed on a flight from Osaka to Narita. They would probably have taken a train to reach Narita, of which you can see from earlier in this thread there are many dozens of options.
Also, if a flight was the chosen mode, teams would more likely have flown from Osaka's national airport ITM rather than international KIX. There were 4 flights from ITM to NRT on Dec. 19.
apskip:
Neobie,
You get 20 lashes with a wet noodle for placing your transportation information on this thread:
Re: The Amazing Race 20 » Timeline & Spoiler Summary
« Reply #45 on: Today at 12:57:44 AM »
Don't think we can use the TAR 13-19 production schedule anymore! Transport options are educated guesses unless otherwise noted:
SAT 26 NOVEMBER
AA 276 from Los Angeles to Miami, 2323-0648 (confirmed, scheduled 2255-0640)
SUN 27 NOVEMBER
AR 1303 from Miami to Buenos Aires EZE, 0900-2024 (0900-1950)
AA 961 from Miami to Buenos Aires EZE, 1109-2156 (1055-2150)
MON 28 NOVEMBER
AR 2450 from Buenos Aires AEP to Salta, 0745-0945 (0625-0840)
4M 4110 from Buenos Aires AEP to Salta, 0955-1220
AR 2454 from Buenos Aires AEP to Salta, 1250-1455 (1120-1335)
PIT STOP #1: SALTA (possible, but less likely, that teams take a bus ride on the 28th and race on the 29th)
TUE 29 NOVEMBER
Multiple flights from Salta to Buenos Aires AEP, 1h55
Bus from Salta to Buenos Aires, ~20h
WED 30 NOVEMBER
Multiple flights from Salta to Buenos Aires AEP, 1h55
PIT STOP #2: BUENOS AIRES (confirmed)
Bus from Buenos Aires to Asuncion, ~15h
THR 1 DECEMBER
PZ 704 from Buenos Aires EZE to Asuncion, 0918-1035
G3 7471 from Buenos Aires EZE to Asuncion, 1519-1625
PIT STOP #3: ASUNCION (confirmed)
FRI 2 DECEMBER
PZ 712 from Asuncion to Sao Paulo, 1800-2117
JJ 8062 from Sao Paulo to Milan, 2240-1400 (1310)
JJ 8108 from Sao Paulo to Paris, 2320-1340
JJ 8070 from Sao Paulo to Frankfurt, 2325-1514 (1410)
SAT 3 DECEMBER
AF 2322 from Paris to Munich, 1545-1700 (1535-1705)
LH 114 from Frankfurt to Munich, 1627-1710 (1620-1725)
IQ 1861 from Milan to Munich, 1705-1810 (1705-1820)
PIT STOP #4: BAVARIA (strange to have a night leg)
SUN 4 DECEMBER
LH 1854 from Munich to Milan, 0909-1006 (0905-1015)
Train from Milan to Turin, 1110-1255/1115-1310/1215-1410
(Not sure why teams would be spotted in Rome airport?)
PIT STOP #5: TURIN (confirmed)
There are direct flights from Milan to Baku, although they arrive at night. You can get from Baku to Dar Es Salaam or Nairobi via London, Dubai, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, or Paris. Nairobi then has good connections to most of Asia.
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I have quite a few comments on your proposals:
1. I agree that one way either Salta to Buenos Aires or Buenos Aires to Salta should be by bus.
2. However, I think it would go the opposite of what you show, with Nov. 28 to Salta by bus and Nov. 29 from Salta by plane
3. You have a number of alternatives to get to Munich from Frankfurt, Paris or Milan by plane. I don't think that's how they did it. The distance from Frankfurt to Fussen is 417 km, with driving time of 4 hours 8 minutes vs. Munich to Fussen 168km and 1 hour 40 minutes. Why bother to go through Munich? Besides, our first inclination was a nonstop flight from Sao Paulo to Frankfurt, which is what I believe happened.
4. I too am confounded by the Rome airport spotting. It has never made any sense unless teams had full flights or to reroute in transit due to weather problems.
5. There are many Lufthansa flights for Dec. 4, INCLUDING LATER IN THE DAY, from Munich to Torino.
6. Have you forgotten Tanzania? Teams would logically head there next after Torino before heading to Asia rather than backtracking to get there.
Prophet:
--- Quote from: apskip on January 27, 2012, 08:45:16 AM ---Neobie,
You get 20 lashes with a wet noodle for placing your transportation information on this thread:
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:lol3:
Neobie:
--- Quote from: apskip on January 27, 2012, 08:45:16 AM ---1. I agree that one way either Salta to Buenos Aires or Buenos Aires to Salta should be by bus.
2. However, I think it would go the opposite of what you show, with Nov. 28 to Salta by bus and Nov. 29 from Salta by plane
3. You have a number of alternatives to get to Munich from Frankfurt, Paris or Milan by plane. I don't think that's how they did it. The distance from Frankfurt to Fussen is 417 km, with driving time of 4 hours 8 minutes vs. Munich to Fussen 168km and 1 hour 40 minutes. Why bother to go through Munich? Besides, our first inclination was a nonstop flight from Sao Paulo to Frankfurt, which is what I believe happened.
4. I too am confounded by the Rome airport spotting. It has never made any sense unless teams had full flights or to reroute in transit due to weather problems.
5. There are many Lufthansa flights for Dec. 4, INCLUDING LATER IN THE DAY, from Munich to Torino.
6. Have you forgotten Tanzania? Teams would logically head there next after Torino before heading to Asia rather than backtracking to get there.
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I'd concede #3 and #5. I find the Germany leg pretty untraditional, though; even if they drove in straight from Frankfurt, they'd be running around in darkness, in a region famous for its natural prettiness (which is evident only in the day). Neuschwanstein Castle isn't even that beautifully lit-up at night. Going to Rome would be a terrible idea. The only logical flight was cancelled and the earliest teams can get into Turin, via Rome, would be at 5.17pm, some 5h after the direct Munich-Turin flight (which leaves after the Munich-Rome flight).
For #2, I think it's more likely that a bus between Salta and Buenos Aires, if there is one, would appear on Leg 2 instead of Leg 1. The bus ride is long (~20h), and the regularly scheduled buses would have all departed by the time they arrived. If there were special overnight charter buses to take teams out of Buenos Aires, they'd arrive in Salta at night. If they left early the next morning, they'd arrive, again, at night. If teams were made to wait around at Buenos Aires for a bus that arrived around dawn, they'd be sitting around for a while. Add that to the delay created by flying through Miami and arriving at Buenos Aires at night, and you've got a very dragged out first leg...
For #6, I was just attracted by the direct flight from Milan to Baku. Flight itineraries do seem easier if we took a Italy > Azerbaijan > Tanzania > Asia route rather than a Italy > Tanzania > Azerbaijan > Asia one, given the limited options out of Baku (but there are Middle Eastern and Central Asian destinations from there). From Nairobi (the airport they used for charter flights in TAR 5) there would be flights straight on towards India, SE Asia, even Hong Kong and Guangzhou.
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