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TAR 20 Transport
apskip:
It is theoretically possible that DL 278 KIX HNL was the one taken by the F3 teams on Monday Dec. 19. It is likely that Phil and some WRP staff were on any of 3 flights KIX HNL on Sunday Dec. 18 that departed around 9pm and arrived between about 830am and 9am.
However, I still believe that the tightness of the schedule from the 831am arrival of DL278 (far ahead of schedule) would have caused WRP to put the F3 teams on flights NRT HNL which arrived hours earlier from 621am to 809am.
I want to track the last possible train schedule that could have gotten teams from Osaka to Narita on the afternoon of Dec. 19. This tells us what the pit stop length may have been. To give you the answer before showing the analysis, the pit stop would have been slightly less than 12 hours with the prior leg finish around 122pm. Here is the timing of the rail journey:
Dep. Osaka 1311 to Shin-Osaka 1315
Dep. Shin-Osaka 1317 to Shinagawa 1553
Dep. Shinagawa 1620 arr. NARITA International Terminal 2 1725 arr. Int. Terminal 1 1729
Note - alternate rail connections are available about every 30 minutes due to the twice an hour Shinagawa to Narita schedule.
Departures NRT HNL:
DL638 1859 0621
UA880 1915 0628
CI18 2012 0736
JL76 1955 0718
DL646 2049 0809
Chateau d If:
Apskip, you don't seem to know about the the Shinkansen Nozomi bullet train! It runs 4x per hour!
Here, Teams can leave Osaka as late as 1:45 pm and arrive 5:53 pm at Narita Terminal 2 in time for the 7:00 pm flight DL 638 to HNL:
apskip:
--- Quote from: Chateau d If on December 21, 2011, 03:09:31 PM ---Apskip, you don't seem to know about the the Shinkansen Nozomi bullet train! It runs 4x per hour!
Here, Teams can leave Osaka as late as 1:45 pm and arrive 5:53 pm at Narita Terminal 2 in time for the 7:00 pm flight DL 638 to HNL:
--- End quote ---
First of all, Chateau, I rode on the Shinkansen line multiple decades ago and am personally familiar with schedules and stops along the main line from Toyko to Kyoto (just a few miles from Osaka).
I used the schedule for the Bullet Train between Shin-Osaka and Tokyo but not from Tokyo (via Shinagawa) out to Narita. Chateau, I bet you don't know without looking it up how many trains per the relevant hour of the trip occur on each segment of the line. Let me enlighten you:
Osaka to Shin-Osaka on the local line 18 between 1300 and 1400
Shin-Osaka to Shinagawa on the Shinkansen line 7 between 1500 and 1600 (not 4, Chateau)
Shinagawa to Narita on the Keisei Skyliner line max. 2 per hour all day long
Alternate - Tokyo to Nippori 19 on Keihou Tohoku Negishi line between 1600 and 1700 connecting in Nippori to Keisei Skyliner train to Narita 4
So, if you want to go through Tokyo, the schedule is slightly better due to 4 trains/hour vs. 2 from Shinagawa.
My main point is "Who cares how many trains there are on the Shinkansen line, which does not run all the way to Narita?"
Chateau d If:
--- Quote from: apskip on December 21, 2011, 04:56:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chateau d If on December 21, 2011, 03:09:31 PM ---Apskip, you don't seem to know about the the Shinkansen Nozomi bullet train! It runs 4x per hour!
Here, Teams can leave Osaka as late as 1:45 pm and arrive 5:53 pm at Narita Terminal 2 in time for the 7:00 pm flight DL 638 to HNL:
--- End quote ---
First of all, Chateau, I rode on the Shinkansen line multiple decades ago and am personally familiar with schedules and stops along the main line from Toyko to Kyoto (just a few miles from Osaka).
I used the schedule for the Bullet Train between Shin-Osaka and Tokyo but not from Tokyo (via Shinagawa) out to Narita. Chateau, I bet you don't know without looking it up how many trains per the relevant hour of the trip occur on each segment of the line. Let me enlighten you:
Osaka to Shin-Osaka on the local line 18 between 1300 and 1400
Shin-Osaka to Shinagawa on the Shinkansen line 7 between 1500 and 1600 (not 4, Chateau)
Shinagawa to Narita on the Keisei Skyliner line max. 2 per hour all day long
Alternate - Tokyo to Nippori 19 on Keihou Tohoku Negishi line between 1600 and 1700 connecting in Nippori to Keisei Skyliner train to Narita 4
So, if you want to go through Tokyo, the schedule is slightly better due to 4 trains/hour vs. 2 from Shinagawa.
My main point is "Who cares how many trains there are on the Shinkansen line, which does not run all the way to Narita?"
--- End quote ---
Well you'd better dust off your memories because on-line trip planners are up to date and hard to beat!
I did know about the 7 Shinkansen per hour but it looks like you did not consider the 4 that are Shinkansen Nozomi. The train you selected was the slower Hikari and only runs twice per hour.
In the Race, accuracy matters! The actual scheduled departure of the Hikari was at 1:13 pm not 1:17 pm as you stated, the actual arrival at Shinagawa was 4:03 pm not the 3:53 pm as you stated.
Also, getting off the Bullet train in Shinagawa is not the best idea. You should stay on until the Tokyo station. The reason is that you will be closer to Nartia and you have more options to make the transfer. As you said, but did not implement, there is the twice per hour Narita Express plus the twice per hour Skyliner as well as other multi-transfer routes.
In the Race, getting there first matters! The route you proposed takes longer and arrives later than one taken by a Team using the Nozomi. Your route leaves Osaka at 1:11 pm and gets to Narita Terminal 2 at 5:25 pm. I can send a Team on a route leaving at 1:21 pm, by using the Nozomi, gets to Narita Terminal 2 at 5:21 pm!
Who cares! Winners do! :cmas16
Prophet:
All this is too confusing for me :iok
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