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apskip:
I am going to comment separately on the two major points Dr. Rox has made. First, that the reason teams were on the second flight is that Phil and the WRP staff were on the earliest one. I say that Phil and WRP staff were about 24 hours ahead of the F3 in departing from Osaka. There were these flights:
DL278 2057
HA450 2104
JL78 2124
apskip:
My second comment is on Dr. Rox's assertion that teams flew Kochi to Singapore to Shanghai to Hiroshima. I agree with the first 2 legs but say that it difficult to tell about the third leg. To get the schedule we are seeing (departure Dec. 16 on SQ467 COK SIN at 2345 0742+1), there is a choice of Shanghai versus Seoul as the next connecting point. My opinion (at this point it is only that) is that Seoul was the connection. that means that the flights were SIN ICN SQ16 0932+1 1647+1 to ICN HIJ OZ162 1836+1 1958+1. This arrived essentially at 8pm.
The combination one can infer from Dr. Rox's proposal starts with SIN PVG and that can be on any of several flights leaving from 9am until 1039am. That is where the inconclusiveness starts. Normally flight information is available on when flights depart and arrive. however, for that date and flight MU293 the listing if for departure at 1746+1 and arrival at 1548+1. Hmm, that's quite a bit impossible, particularly since Hiroshima is in a time zone one hour ahead of Shanghai. The normal scheduled time of arrival is 810pm, which is the only piece of data lending credence to Dr. Rox's hypothesis. Maybe he's right and teams flew through Shanghai, maybe he's not. It cannot be determined without further evidence.
DrRox:
--- Quote from: apskip on May 07, 2012, 01:50:11 PM ---I am going to comment separately on the two major points Dr. Rox has made. First, that the reason teams were on the second flight is that Phil and the WRP staff were on the earliest one. I say that Phil and WRP staff were about 24 hours ahead of the F3 in departing from Osaka. There were these flights:
DL278 2057
HA450 2104
JL78 2124
--- End quote ---
Just so I make sure I understand what you are saying, apskip, are you saying that Phil and WRP crew left Osaka on the evening of Dec 18th and NOT the evening of Dec 19th as I believe to be the case? I am taking about the calendar date in Japanese time, btw, not Hawaiian time.
apskip:
--- Quote from: DrRox on May 07, 2012, 02:27:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: apskip on May 07, 2012, 01:50:11 PM ---I am going to comment separately on the two major points Dr. Rox has made. First, that the reason teams were on the second flight is that Phil and the WRP staff were on the earliest one. I say that Phil and WRP staff were about 24 hours ahead of the F3 in departing from Osaka. There were these flights:
DL278 2057
HA450 2104
JL78 2124
--- End quote ---
Just so I make sure I understand what you are saying, apskip, are you saying that Phil and WRP crew left Osaka on the evening of Dec 18th and NOT the evening of Dec 19th as I believe to be the case? I am taking about the calendar date in Japanese time, btw, not Hawaiian time.
--- End quote ---
All my dates as reported in this thread are in local time. What point would it be to translate that to US East Coast or Central time?
I believe that the flights from Japan left Osaka around 9pm Japanese time on Dec. 19 and arrived in Honolulu on either side of Dec. 19 Honolulu time. This is of course possible because Japan time is UTC+9 AND Honolulu time is UTC-10. The total difference of 19 hours gives flights ample time to "arrive" before they "departed". Another way of saying this is that when you cross the International Date Line eastward you push your clock back one day.
DrRox:
--- Quote from: apskip on May 07, 2012, 03:47:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: DrRox on May 07, 2012, 02:27:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: apskip on May 07, 2012, 01:50:11 PM ---I am going to comment separately on the two major points Dr. Rox has made. First, that the reason teams were on the second flight is that Phil and the WRP staff were on the earliest one. I say that Phil and WRP staff were about 24 hours ahead of the F3 in departing from Osaka. There were these flights:
DL278 2057
HA450 2104
JL78 2124
--- End quote ---
Just so I make sure I understand what you are saying, apskip, are you saying that Phil and WRP crew left Osaka on the evening of Dec 18th and NOT the evening of Dec 19th as I believe to be the case? I am taking about the calendar date in Japanese time, btw, not Hawaiian time.
--- End quote ---
All my dates as reported in this thread are in local time. What point would it be to translate that to US East Coast or Central time?
I believe that the flights from Japan left Osaka around 9pm Japanese time on Dec. 19 and arrived in Honolulu on either side of Dec. 19 Honolulu time. This is of course possible because Japan time is UTC+9 AND Honolulu time is UTC-10. The total difference of 19 hours gives flights ample time to "arrive" before they "departed". Another way of saying this is that when you cross the International Date Line eastward you push your clock back one day.
--- End quote ---
I am really sorry to be a pain, but exactly just who flew to Hawaii on the evening of Dec 19. Was it the teams or was it Phil and the WRP crew? If you mean that the teams flew on the 19th........then you must mean that Phil and the WRP crew flew on the 18th......per your 24 hours lead time statement above? None of your flight schedules have departure dates in them so it is very hard to understand just exactly what you mean.
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