Topic: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**

[DavidJunior]

I'm more inclined to think they'll head east from here, instead of west (mainly since the last three seasons were west-bound)

Here are my best GUESSES on where they may head to next:
(in order of what I think is most likely)
1. Italy- Rome/Milan aren't too difficult to get to from S.A., both of which open up more possible locations within Italy, and can connect to anywhere in Europe, Northern Africa, or the Middle East
2. South Africa- accessible from S.A., has not been visited in a while, and you can transfer to Europe/Middle East without too many problems
3. Netherlands- Schiphol is a major transit point, with many connections around the world, and Amsterdam is a big city that could easily host another leg, also serves as a good transition from one continent to another
4. New Zealand- If they DO go west, I would think that they would head here, great scenery, great locations, is a good jumping point for Asia, and opens up the possibility of smaller islands *cough* Fiji *cough*
5. Gambia/Senegal- Dakar is possibly the biggest transit point on the African continent, so it wouldn't be too difficult to connect to it, and the Gambia is literally right next to it, new country, new location, and the culture shock of West Africa

(I doubt they'll stay in S.A., doubt they'll go to Spain (too much of the same language), they prob. wouldn't go to Portugal if they aren't going to visit Spain, Germany, France, England, Belgium, and Scandinavia have all been used recently, Central/Eastern Europe will prob come later, and most African countries, if they were to be visited, would prob. be visited after a leg or two in Europe)

That's just my two cents

[Reilly Queens]

Here are all flights that depart from Asuncion tomorrow(or today, same thing)



I dunno when teams depart, but if they depart early enough to make the Sao Paolo flight, they could go anywhere, same with Buenos Aires, as it has a direct to Cape Town, and ZA hasn't been visited in a while. So Africa Europe high chances IMO. They've also gone west 2 seasons in a row, which is highly uncommon too, so I think its Africa/Europe

[apskip]

Kandace,

I don't think it will be Johannesburg but do think it will be one of the European cities. Look for Madrid as the most likely.

[weihen]

I doubt they will go back to EZE...
maybe London,TAR like to go to Olympic place.

[walkingpneumonia]

Has any previous version of TAR (other than The Family Edition) ever used an airport in the USA as a transit point mid race?
So could we have teams fly back from South America to some airport in the USA and then continue on to Europe? Asia? Canada?

[kiki]

Has any previous version of TAR (other than The Family Edition) ever used an airport in the USA as a transit point mid race?
So could we have teams fly back from South America to some airport in the USA and then continue on to Europe? Asia? Canada?

In TAR 2 the gutsy grannies connected from Rio to new York to London to Cape Town.
In TAR 3 some teams connected from Mexico City to Miami to London.
I can't remember any other time but there might be.

[David]

Madrid - many flights
Barcelona

I don't think it will be Johannesburg but do think it will be one of the European cities. Look for Madrid as the most likely.

I'm ready!

[Prophet]

GO Dave!

[ZBC Company]

i dont think we have spain for this race i now last time is season 10 but spain umm i dont think so

[docol]

Peach will post the photos that i took today...i took one which matchs exactly the one of the pit stop.!! Also, i've got a video that shows the producers chaecking in...but it's way too heavy and my phone won't allow me to upload it...once i get home i'll send it to peach so she can upload it here..!

I went to the ticket counter and the asked the lady where they were going..she said "Sao Paulo" departing at 12:05 pm...and i asked her back: where are they going after sao paulo? And she said: "GERMANY"

I walked off and tried to follow the producers towards the boarding room, and the stopped to have a little chat. I was lucky enough to overheard an airline assistant coming to them and handing one of them boarding passes explaining to him the route. I got closer and heard: "...and then the lufthansa flight departing at 05:00 pm (more or less)"

So, this is what we've got guys....germany is the next destination!!

[ZBC Company]

Can we check what city flight is going germany i real think Frankfurt pretty much

[David]

Frankfurt is one of the main connecting points all over Europe. It's got almost every European and Intl airlines and it's the biggest airport in Europe in connections and so on. 99% sure it should be Frankfurt.

[docol]

It's Frankfurt....

One of these two flights i think:

5:40 pm Depart Sao Paulo (GRU)
Arrive Frankfurt (FRA) 4:20 pm 

TAP Portugal 82  / 6701
   Connect in Lisbon (LIS)

Flight 6701 operated by Lufthansa

OR

5:40 pm Depart Sao Paulo (GRU)
Arrive Frankfurt (FRA) 11:05 am

TAP Portugal 82  / 6707
   Connect in Lisbon (LIS)

Flight 6707 operated by Lufthansa

[ZBC Company]

germany cant be next leg season 16 was last time where do think they going after it this remind of season9 race routo again

[Polarbear]

What about LH 505 to Munich 17:15?

[apskip]

Peach will post the photos that i took today...i took one which matchs exactly the one of the pit stop.!! Also, i've got a video that shows the producers chaecking in...but it's way too heavy and my phone won't allow me to upload it...once i get home i'll send it to peach so she can upload it here..!

I went to the ticket counter and the asked the lady where they were going..she said "Sao Paulo" departing at 12:05 pm...and i asked her back: where are they going after sao paulo? And she said: "GERMANY"

I walked off and tried to follow the producers towards the boarding room, and the stopped to have a little chat. I was lucky enough to overheard an airline assistant coming to them and handing one of them boarding passes explaining to him the route. I got closer and heard: "...and then the lufthansa flight departing at 05:00 pm (more or less)"

So, this is what we've got guys....germany is the next destination!!

Here is the departure board from Sao Paulo's GRU airport this afternoon:

Airline   Flight   Day   ETA   Conf   Origin   Connection   Status
   05811    02/12    12:00    12:26    Salvador    check    Confirmed
   02223    02/12    12:00    12:55    Vitória Da Conquista       Confirmed
   00750    02/12    12:00    13:14    Santiago       Confirmed
   03515    02/12    12:10    12:02    Fortaleza    check    Confirmed
   02231    02/12    12:10    12:10    Sao Jose Do Rio Preto       Canceled
   03487    02/12    12:10    12:16    Ilhéus       Confirmed
   01996    02/12    12:10    12:49    Macapá    check    Confirmed
   05323    02/12    12:20    12:00    Cuiabá    check    Confirmed
   06377    02/12    12:20    12:06    Juazeiro Do Norte       Confirmed
   01486    02/12    12:20    12:16    Florianópolis       Confirmed
   06717    02/12    12:25    12:11    Brasília       Confirmed
   05324    02/12    12:25    12:27    Juiz De Fora       Confirmed
   07676    02/12    12:25    12:28    Belo Horizonte       Confirmed
   03502    02/12    12:25    12:28    Porto Alegre       Confirmed
   00014    02/12    12:30    12:10    México       Confirmed
   06311    02/12    12:30    12:17    Petrolina    check    Confirmed
   06127    02/12    12:35    12:10    Porto Alegre       Confirmed
   01435    02/12    12:45    12:32    Salvador    check    Confirmed
   01846    02/12    12:50    12:47    Curitiba       Confirmed
   01057    02/12    13:00    13:20    Recife       Confirmed
   01983    02/12    13:00    13:45    Salvador       Confirmed
   03457    02/12    13:10    12:33    Goiânia       Confirmed
   03288    02/12    13:15    13:24    Porto Alegre       Confirmed
   05471    02/12    13:20    13:07    Manaus    check    Confirmed
   05713    02/12    13:20    13:16    Curitiba       Confirmed
   01073    02/12    13:20    13:26    Fortaleza       Confirmed
   08018    02/12    13:25    13:22    Belo Horizonte       Confirmed
   01274    02/12    13:25    13:25    Buenos Aires       Confirmed
   08050    02/12    13:30    13:55    Rio Jan-Galeao       Confirmed
   03578    02/12    13:35    13:10    Goiânia    check    Confirmed
   03497    02/12    13:45    13:29    Fortaleza       Confirmed
   03377    02/12    13:45    14:20    Vitória       Delayed
   01788    02/12    13:50    13:50    Porto Alegre       Confirmed
   07457    02/12    13:50    14:30    Lima-Callao    check    Delayed
   00618    02/12    13:55    13:55    Montevideo       Canceled
   03895    02/12    13:55    14:20    Fortaleza    check    Confirmed
   02265    02/12    14:00    14:00    Ribeirao Preto       Confirmed
   01473    02/12    14:00    14:00    Navegantes       Confirmed
   05495    02/12    14:05    14:05    Araçatuba    check    Confirmed
   05508    02/12    14:05    14:05    Curitiba    check    Confirmed
   05371    02/12    14:05    14:05    Pres. Prudente       Confirmed
   03602    02/12    14:10    14:05    S. Paulo-Guarulhos    check    Confirmed
   00736    02/12    14:10    14:30    Santa Cruz       Confirmed
   06384    02/12    14:15    14:15    Cuiabá    check    On Time
   05325    02/12    14:15    14:15    Belo Horizonte    check    On Time
   03330    02/12    14:20    14:20    Londrina    check    On Time
   05768    02/12    14:30    14:30    Rio Jan-S.Dumont       Confirmed
   03549    02/12    14:35    14:35    Recife       On Time
   03294    02/12    14:35    14:35    Porto Alegre       On Time
   01477    02/12    14:40    14:40    Fortaleza    check    On Time
   01271    02/12    14:40    14:40    Salvador       On Time
   03558    02/12    14:40    14:40    Foz Do Iguaçu       On Time
   01242    02/12    14:40    15:31    Buenos Aires       Confirmed
   01163    02/12    14:55    14:55    Maringá    check    On Time
   01445    02/12    14:55    14:55    Maringá       On Time

No flights to Frankfurt or anywhere else in Germany or anywhere in Europe at all except London are listed as far as I can see. The next thing to do is check on yesterday's flights if that is possible. I will do so.

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And here is yesterday's nonstop flights from GRU to FRA (which for corresponding flights today I did not pick up in an earlier note because they were outside the relatively narrow window displayed):

     On-time         Departure    Term    Arrival    Term              
Flight    Rating    Airline    Sched    Actual    Gate    Sched    Actual    
LH 507    
                       Lufthansa    19:45    20:35    T-2          10:15    10:41
 
JJ 8070    
          TAM Linhas Aereas    23:25                T-1          14:10    13:53    


Neither of these corresponds to a 1205pm departure from GRU.

[Cocoa]

Dejavu much from S16? 0_0

[Prophet]

And here is yesterday's nonstop flights from GRU to FRA (which for corresponding flights today I did not pick up in an earlier note because they were outside the relatively narrow window displayed):

     On-time         Departure    Term    Arrival    Term              
Flight    Rating    Airline    Sched    Actual    Gate    Sched    Actual    
LH 507    
                       Lufthansa    19:45    20:35    T-2          10:15    10:41
 
JJ 8070    
          TAM Linhas Aereas    23:25                T-1          14:10    13:53    


Neither of these corresponds to a 1205pm departure from GRU.

The flight TO Sau Paulo departed at 12.05

[apskip]

And here is yesterday's nonstop flights from GRU to FRA (which for corresponding flights today I did not pick up in an earlier note because they were outside the relatively narrow window displayed):

     On-time         Departure    Term    Arrival    Term              
Flight    Rating    Airline    Sched    Actual    Gate    Sched    Actual    
LH 507    
                       Lufthansa    19:45    20:35    T-2          10:15    10:41
 
JJ 8070    
          TAM Linhas Aereas    23:25                T-1          14:10    13:53    


Neither of these corresponds to a 1205pm departure from GRU.

The flight TO Sau Paulo departed at 12.05

It's Frankfurt....

One of these two flights i think:

5:40 pm Depart Sao Paulo (GRU)
Arrive Frankfurt (FRA) 4:20 pm 

TAP Portugal 82  / 6701
   Connect in Lisbon (LIS)

Flight 6701 operated by Lufthansa

OR

5:40 pm Depart Sao Paulo (GRU)
Arrive Frankfurt (FRA) 11:05 am

TAP Portugal 82  / 6707
   Connect in Lisbon (LIS)

Flight 6707 operated by Lufthansa

Yes, TP82 existed for yesterday 1740 0451+1 GRU LIS and connection to today's LH 1173    
   0700+1    0655+1       1110+1    1053+1

I recognize that is possible, but tell my why teams would have been interested in a connection when when should have been able to get a nonstop arriving slightly earlier.

[apskip]

And here is yesterday's nonstop flights from GRU to FRA (which for corresponding flights today I did not pick up in an earlier note because they were outside the relatively narrow window displayed):

     On-time         Departure    Term    Arrival    Term              
Flight    Rating    Airline    Sched    Actual    Gate    Sched    Actual    
LH 507    
                       Lufthansa    19:45    20:35    T-2          10:15    10:41
 
JJ 8070    
          TAM Linhas Aereas    23:25                T-1          14:10    13:53    


Neither of these corresponds to a 1205pm departure from GRU.

The flight TO Sau Paulo departed at 12.05

From where? Not according to established sources from either ASU, EZE or AEP airports.

[apskip]

What about LH 505 to Munich 17:15?

There's the winner! It landed at 8am in Munich this morning.

[Chateau d If]

My power is still off 

There LH 505 to Munich that leaves at 5:15 pm

That should be good enough 

[David]

There seem to be no tweets, really? Munich is a big airport too, many people would recognize the race...

SPEC: I was there this summer. Places to be visited in Munich can include: Olympia Park (hosted Olympic games in 1972), BMW Welt, the Allianz Arena is pretty cool too, or maybe the Jewish Center (I couldn't get in as a reservation should be made in advance).

Let's see how this develops.

[Chateau d If]

What about LH 505 to Munich 17:15?

Sorry missed this!  You had it all along