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What do you think about the Fast Forward?

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Prophet:

--- Quote from: MugCostanza on December 14, 2010, 08:14:17 PM ---I think giving every team an Express Pass might be overkill, but I think more than one team should get one. Consider something to this extent: on the first leg, have an overnight rest on a beach. On this beach there is a marked area where 5 Express Passes are buried. Once teams arrive and sign in, they can start digging, and each team can only claim one. Teams that have raced better and arrived at the overnight rest are first will deservedly have more time to look for it and have a greater chance of finding them. This way, more than one team has one, and it's not just a hand-out; teams still have to compete for them.


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I like this idea. However I don't think the way they did it on TAR17 is a handout, you have to win the leg after all.

Rogue:

--- Quote from: The Prophet on December 14, 2010, 08:23:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: MugCostanza on December 14, 2010, 08:14:17 PM ---I think giving every team an Express Pass might be overkill, but I think more than one team should get one. Consider something to this extent: on the first leg, have an overnight rest on a beach. On this beach there is a marked area where 5 Express Passes are buried. Once teams arrive and sign in, they can start digging, and each team can only claim one. Teams that have raced better and arrived at the overnight rest are first will deservedly have more time to look for it and have a greater chance of finding them. This way, more than one team has one, and it's not just a hand-out; teams still have to compete for them.


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I like this idea. However I don't think the way they did it on TAR17 is a handout, you have to win the leg after all.

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I don't like the idea of having more than one Fast Forward. Supposedly one of the reasons they stopped doing so many was because they'd pay money to have these Fast Forwards set up and teams wouldn't go to them, trying to hold out so they could use one later. I think the way they used it this year was good because there were still 8 teams left as opposed to being down to say 5 and someone uses a Fast Forward. Maybe a better way to treat this would be to not have the Fast Forward on a leg in basically the same city as the previous leg. Even though it wasn't the same city this time it was just a drive through the boarder. Make teams hop on a flight to their next city, go to pick up their clue, and have the Fast Forward there.

As far as the Express Pass, I think maybe there should be two given in the race. One for winning the first leg and one thrown in a random leg but must still be used before a certain leg in the race. So maybe you can reward the winner of the third leg but still state that the Express Pass must be used by leg 8. If a team gets eliminated before using the Express Pass it either becomes void or they do what they state now, give it to the second place team from that leg. So if Thomas and Jill would have gotten eliminated before using their Express Pass it would have went to Nat and Kat. And let's say if Conner and Jonathan were eliminated in leg four and didn't use their Express Pass it would have gone to Gary and Mallory. And if teams were in a situation like we had in Oman, it would be interesting to see who would use their Express Pass at the best and most opportunistic moment. This is just a crazy thought in my head about how the situation could play out but of course it would never happen like this.

Jobby:
3 FF and 3 Express Passes on the race?

Maybe the Express Pass should work like a HII like in Survivor? At the start of the leg (or maybe at any clue), the producers will drop a hint in the clue that an Express Pass has been hidden at a particular location on the race. Teams can either choose to race on and ignore travelling to the location to find the Express Pass, or go to that particular location on a search for the Express Pass.

The Express Pass cannot be found easily, for example let's say... they have a marked area at the beach and teams who want the EP will have to dig and try to find it. This could work out to be good drama if more than one team go for the EP, and then when they find the EP.. they will have to CONTINUE ON racing and make up for the valuable time that they lost while trying to find the EP.. which they may or may not necessary find. And if they managed to make up valuable time, they will get to keep the EP and can use it up till leg 8.. but if they found the EP but realized that they're at the back of the pack, they will have no choice but to use the EP to gain back some time. The worst of all is, if more than 2 teams went for the EP and 1 team found it.. the other team just lost valuable time and now will have to battle against the team with the EP to avoid elimination.

It all sounds pretty confusing.. but i think it can work out to be real good drama on the race. With that, the EP will not just be handed out.. but it will be more of a strategic move, which you try and find something which might potentially let you gain sometime in the future legs.. but at the same time you must make sure you can make up some time and not get eliminated. :cmaslol

And i still think.. tasks like this.. works best when you have an Hours of Operations. Let all the teams be bunched on equal ground. Imagine a team knew that another team (on a flight 2 hours later) has not reached yet and took all the time to find the EP... and will avoid elimination anyway? Same goes for the FF.. let there be HoO and let every team has an equal chance to go for it. The last time i remember there was an FF drama was when there were some sort of HoO and every team was on equal ground. Michael and Louie went for the FF in Singapore after arriving on the same train with Dan and Jordan.. arrived later than them at Victoria Concert Hall and did not know they went for it. As well as in TAR 13 where T/S and N/S fought for the FF after a HoO!

Glamazon Racer:
I don't want to comment on the Express Pass until I see it in action for at least 1 more season, but as regards to the Fast Forward, I would be extremely disappointed if they scrapped the task. However, it cannot continue to exist with just one Fast Forward available in each season. :killme: :boot:

I would love a Fast Forward in each leg, but that is not economically feasible, so I would like at least 3 or 4 in the race course. When there is only 1, I believe it removes the strategy behind the Fast Forward. Before, you had to decide when would be the best time to use it. Now, if you are in the lead and you see one, you go for it - no questions asked, because you won't get another chance. :cmas18

Also, the Fast Forward can't be used to catch up anymore.  :cmas12 There is only one per race, and the leading team at that particular point can go after it. If you are not leading, then you assume that the leader has taken it and you don't attempt it (this has been the case in Season 13 onwards, although Season 13 had 2-team- battles on two occasions between equal leading teams, Season 14's Fast Forward was unused and Nick & Vicki tried TAR17s although they seemed a little vague on the whole Fast Forward concept. :cmaslol :rulz: )

This is just my opinion. Tell me if you agree or not, but I am a firm believer that there should be 3-4 Fast Forwards per race.

David:
I'm OK with the FF things all of you said. I catch all of your points:
-If there's one, great for the competitivity, as you have to stay in the lead so as to go for it.
-If there's 3/4, better for competitivity and strategies.
-If there's one per leg, no competitivity but there IS a lot of strategy involved.

About the Express Pass, one for each team with no more than one team using it in the same task seems allright for me!

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