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Season 16 = Dumbest Cast Ever...?
shzron1946:
What I want to say is that there are those who play very emotionally and those who play very intellectually. I am sure everyone would like to think they are being really intellectual and cerebral and all that, but by golly sometimes you just go on a hunch, or go with your feelings.
Now,going back to Caite and her partner and the two lesbian ladies whose names I can never remember. I am sure that we in the viewing audience were getting info through some very clever editing that was brainstormed AFTER Caite and her partner actually had u-turned this team, but let's face it, they had been told from the beginning that the two ladies were making fun of them, and the ladies themselves appeared to have personally confirmed that they thought the couple was stupid. If I was the Caite and whatshisname couple, I'd have u-turned them too, just because I could and just to shut them up once and for all and GET THEM OUT OF THE GAME OUT OF SHEER SPITE. They had it coming. You all know they did.
And also, they could have actually won!
If I was Caite or her partner, even if I didn't think I could win, I wouldn't want THEM to win. This is these two ladies' own fault. Even though they made fun at the beginning of the race, if they were half as smart as they seemed to think they were, they would have smoothed that over pretty soon after the start. This is not a game where you want people to be mad at you. A little bit of help along the way has saved many an Amazing Racer and we all have seen that. These older ladies were not only nasty and cruel, they were arrogant.
I think they don't realize how abrasive they were because they didn't see or live the edited product, as we did. Maybe they will have a different story if they ever watch videos of the whole season. Still, whatever was really happening, they were not making Caite and her partner feel particularly forgiving.
So all of you intellectuals who want to argue the intelligence of the u-turn, keep this in mind: Sometimes simple human feelings can trump all the rational argument. Karma can be a killer. And guess what, ladies? THIS TIME IT WAS AND YOU'RE GONE!!!
georgiapeach:
:welcome2: to RFF shzron1946!!
slayton:
--- Quote from: Neobie on April 13, 2010, 08:38:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: slayton on April 13, 2010, 07:38:02 PM ---TAR16 accomplishments (based on spoilers):
[*]First cast in TAR:US history to not have at least 3 teams with an average placement better than 4. (The following two are corollaries of this accomplishment.)
[*]First cast in TAR:US history with more than 1 team in the final 4 with an average placement of 4 or worse.
[*]First cast in TAR:US history with more than 1 team in the final 3 with an average placement of 4 or worse.
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A great team would be wiping the floor with these other teams.
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Can we look at this from the reverse, and say that the TAR 16 eliminated teams are performing better than early-eliminated teams in the past? Or say that this cast is more well-balanced than those of the past?
I don't believe these statistics can prove the aptitude of a group, since rankings are very much a zero-sum game.
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To me, it's all about the TAR16 cast doing things that none of the previous 15 casts have ever done, for whatever reason.
It's all subjective, so I guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree about this.
The only thing that's not debatable is that if Dan & Jordan or Brent & Caite win, TAR16 will set a new record for worst performing winners in TAR: US history, by at least six-tenths of a point.
DeafRacer:
--- Quote from: Joab on April 14, 2010, 10:45:12 AM ---Nah actually, people who don't see the U-TURN strategy fail to understand the theory behind it.
If I were on the race and at the first U-TURN as one of the front teams, i'll use my U-TURN on either Michael and Louie or Jet and Cord because both of them are in the lead and i'll want them out of the race.
If i'm one of the lagging teams, my strategy would be to U-TURN Jeff and Jordan or Brent and Caite to ensure they stay behind me.
At the second U-TURN in Singapore, it was EXTREMEY dumb not to U-TURN the cowboys or the detectives once again.. especially after the detectives did a hat trick and the cowboys going from sixth to first.
If i'm a lagging team, i'll still U-TURN a team behind me for sure.. and i'm pretty sure Brent and Caite knew the cowboys were behind them. It was a solid pure DUMB move not to U-TURN them and i hope Jet and Cord WIN the race to let these 2 dumb teams who chose not to U-TURN them regret their choice.
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WELL SAID!!!! :jumpy: That's what exactly U-Turn is for!!!! Not for getting teams out that you don't like! I mean come on, $1 million is at the stake!
--- Quote from: Caelestor on April 14, 2010, 03:22:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: chill_sd on April 14, 2010, 09:21:27 AM ---Here's what I don't understand. Several people, including Luke, have made statements like this:
--- Quote from: DeafRacer on April 12, 2010, 08:00:11 PM ---Joe & Heidi and Carol & Brandy deserved not to be U-Turned. They showed their strong racing skills and they deserved their spots in the Final Three. :'(
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Well, if they had "strong racing skills" it was probably a good idea to U-Turn them. When Mike & Louie U-Turned Joe & Heidi, they were right behind them, despite Joe's bum knee. When Brent & Caite U-Turned Carol & Brandy, they were also right behind them. On both of these legs, Jet & Cord were struggling.
The editors have certainly highlighted the personal nature of the U-Turns, but there were strategic reasons for both of them also. And both teams that used the U-Turns ended up in the Final 4, so I would say they were successful.
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Luke, not to be cynical, but then why did you U-turn Amanda and Kris? Did they not deserve a spot in the Final Three? (I agree with several of your other points, just not about the meaning of the U-turn)
I can criticize the editing and the producers' portrayal of teams, but I can't rank a season down for how the actual events turned out, because that is up to luck and the teams themselves.
Could this season have been more enjoyable? Yes.
Was this designed better than other recent ones? Yes, and that's what makes this edition better than some other recent installments. It seems TAR put much more effort into trying to improve the racecourse. It's a shame that the perception of some teams is undermining this edition.
I'm sort of sad that I tend to be ignored here... :'(
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Caelestor, I'm not like Michael & Louie or Brent & Caite who based the decision on personal feeling about which team to U-Turn. I based my decision on STRATEGY. I want to make sure that I could ensure my team all the way to the Final Three. At that point, the teams that were behind us: Tammy & Victor, Cara & Jaime, Amanda & Kris, Mike & Mel, and Mark & Michael (but we thought M&M were already ahead of us since they took the first flight out).
Jaime & Cara, they were our main ally so no way we would U-Turn them. Mike & Mel, I knew about Mel's groin injury so that would slow them down so we would be able to beat them in footrace. I did thought about U-Turn Tammy & Victor over Kris & Amanda. But, I look at it that Tammy and my mom both got same strengths. I could beat Victor in physical challenges. Victor could beat me in mental challenges. So, Tammy & Victor and my mom & I are pretty much same in several ways. Not forget to mention their meltdown in Romania so I thought it is hurting their racing at that point. That's why we didn't U-Turn them.
For first three legs, Amanda & Kris finished pretty strong and we were basically on each other's heels. I thought of the long term strategy: there's no way that I could match Kris' insane strengths in the challenges. There's no way that my mom and I could beat them in the footrace if it ever came down to it. So, my thought was, "U-Turn them and hope it will knock them out of the race." Sure, we could have use them as our shield to protect ourselves for next U-Turn in case a team wants to U-Turn a strongest team. Only our best chance was getting to next U-Turn first in order to protect ourselves. Our gamble paid off for having Tammy & Victor as our ally. AND! Not to forget that I saw Amanda & Kris left the stack detour and heading for the shutter task. So, I knew it's a perfect shot that would ensure their elimination for sure since the stack task is pretty tough.
Hindsight, I based my strategy on a long term goal that I want strongest teams to go first hence that's why I U-Turned Amanda & Kris because they're strongest team at the point, not because I don't like them. They def. do deserve their spot in the Final Three and I adore them. But again, I was RACING. Caelestor, you can't criticize me for U-Turning Amanda & Kris and I was playing to win, not play to get teams out that I don't like.
It's just a turn off that people like Brent & Caite and Michael & Louie aren't being strategic on what's best for themselves in long run.
DavidJunior:
my problem is that everyone seems to think, apparently, that Carol/Brandy wouldn't be a HUMONGOUS threat in that final leg.
are they not the most intellectual team on the race (at least at the point they were eliminated?)
and if they had survived this leg (and let's say they U-turned the Cowboys out of the race), they would've had two teams have major meltdowns on the next legs to ensure they made it to the end.
and even if Jet/Cord survived this leg and got rid of Louie/Mike, Carol/Brandy prob. would've been able to beat Dan/Jordan with their meltdown.
Carol/Brandy in the final 3 would be a tough team to beat, especially with an almost guaranteed mental/memory task on the horizon.
although Brent/Caite probably weren't thinking on a strategic level, it was a very good strategy (getting rid of the smart rather than the strong or fast, esp. in the final stretch).
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