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TAR 16: Daniel Pious and Jordan Pious--Brothers
GeKKou:
--- Quote ---I'll give you those instances. However, when compared with all of the glowingly positive edits PLUS the incessant, overplayed generic wild-wild-west theme music that seemed to underscore their every move, it's safe to say that the edit was overwhelmingly positive for the Cowboys.
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look at your word choice: glowingly positive, overplayed, wild-wild-west theme music, overwhelmingly...
all your word choice simply indicates that you try to use descriptive words to stress your points and opinions, there is no evidence, to what level are they glowingly and overwhelmingly positive?? it is just your opinion.
Then i have mine,
To me, by showing the scene, ' Sir, are you all right, just check on my fellow soldier' that shows really funny side of Jordan
by showing Jet throwing the map towards Phil, that also indicates some not so good features of him.
You will find plenty of examples in which CBS shows both good and bad of all teams.
Beyond all that, all these 'editing, theme music, positive effects' you mentioned are nothing to the fans of Jet and Cord, some of the fans are already Cord's fans in PBR, personally, I started to like him only because of his smile, that's all. Like I said in my previous posts, we all have our own favorites, it doesn't matter how CBS shows it. we are just attracted to that.
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I have to disagree. If CBS was truly fair, their editors and story-writers wouldn't have gone for the lazy narrative of "We lost because Dan & Jordan are meanies who cut in line!!! WAAAHHH!!" The reason they lost was because under the circumstances they didn't think outside the box and get to the front of the plane AND failed to grasp a crucial concept at the VR Task. None of their failure to win can be traced back to a line-cutting. But, of course, I'm afraid that will never assuage the über-fans.
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you are exaggerating again, they never used the sentence'we lost because Dan/Jordan are meanies who cut in line'
They only flashed back the scene where Dan/Jordan were cutting in line. And Jet called him cheating (I'll explain to you why he called him cheating to your last response. ）
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Why do you insist I stop blaming CBS? If you think they don't manipulate viewers' feelings, you're kidding yourself. Want a current blatant example? Survivor Redemption Island...where we're supposed to be sooooooooo excited that powerhouses Rob and Russell have returned.
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i never quoted your response or mentioned your name ,actually, the previous post I said that to everybody posted before who insists CBS are showing favors towards the cowboys and they are manipulating the viewers. Once again, it's just what you think.
'why do you insist I' don't you think its a bit funny by starting your question like that while I wasnt even talking to you
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This is where you truly lose me. The Amazing Race is not a charity case. Nor is Survivor or Big Brother. None of the teams are more entitled to the money based on life hardships. It's all about who gets to the finish line first. With all due respect, Cord isn't the only guy out there with money problems. Who's to say that Dan and Jordan were super rich before the race, and thus, somehow less deserving? We don't know their financial situation, and it's unfair for people like my relative to assume that east coast = rich. And I don't think Dan and Jordan should feel bad for explaining themselves. I believe Jordan himself has even expressed regret over cutting in line because he is decent enough to realize it cast him in a bad light.
I'm just sick to death of reality shows being turned into huge morality plays. That's all.
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once again, I never said TAR is a charity case. I certainly did lose you.
What i meant was Cord and Jet have every reason to be mad at Dan/Jordan cutting in line.
Because it's a serious game, it's about 1million dollars. It's everyone's dream.
Let's just imagine, If Cord and Jet were cutting in line in front of Dan/Jordan, and Cord and Jet won Season 16, I'm pretty sure Dan/Jordan would call them cheaters as well, maybe even worse.
But Cord and Jet would never do that. They wouldn't even think of taking advantage like that (They would't even ask for help from other teams when they stuck in the flags task for so long in ep1,season 18.And they were even too shy to ask the detectives to team up with them in the intersection task in S16. They had to wave their arms to imply that.)
some people may think they are dumb or not as flexible as Dan/Jordan. But that's just the cowboys we(cowboy fans) all love.
GeKKou:
--- Quote from: Cocoa on March 04, 2011, 01:36:45 AM ---GeKKou, I smell some banning in the next few hours. Yum! :snicker:
If you want to flame, go to Survivor Sucks.
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First, I'm not flaming, mungobuh is. I wasn't even talking to him/her in my previous post. I'm just stating my opinon to everybody.
Second, I don't watch Survivor.
Third, if you or the moderator here wants to blame the flame, don't blame me, blame Jordan, he posted here by saying something like that of the cowboys. As a fan, i have to say something that is fair to all the Jet/Cord fans
jerseydude:
Just inputing my opinion.
1. Editing is ALWAYS unfair. Editors, like us, are people and people are entitled to their opinions. Obviously they (or CBS) may have had a specific team that they like or they think the general public will like, thus the editing is geared towards them. It is impossible to have a complete objective editing of any episode. Personally, I think the Cowboy thing is WAY overboard. It's quite obvious that the editors (or someone else) likes the cowboys a lot and I personally get the feeling that they are being shoved down our throats.
2. Did Dan and Jordan "cheat" by "cutting the line?" Does it say in any rulebook that cutting the line is against the rules (thus can be classified as cheating)? I don't think. In addition, there were many opportunities for the Cowboys the catch up after the "cutting of the line" I feel that Dan and Jordan played it smart by asking for an upgrade. BUT the Cowboys did catch up at the virtual task, which then the Cowboys could of overtaken them. They didn't take the opportunity and thus loss. So therefore, Dan and Jordan cannot be blamed entirely for their loss. I personally think that they are to blame since they did not take the opportunity.
*Note: These are MY opinions and I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinions.
georgiapeach:
--- Quote --- "While it is perfectly fine to explain why you think a racer or a team did not do well in a task, or behaved badly, or just isn't your favorite, it is NOT okay to be rude or impolite in doing so. We don't allow personal attacks on each other or on our racer friends. Comments on how they raced are fair, personal attacks are not. "Don't hate on the Racers, hate the game."
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This is a topic that still, a year later, is causing a lot of interest and discussion, which is of course always welcome. And everyone has their favorites.
But I want everyone to please continue to remember our RFF guidelines and do NOT make this discussion personal amongst you. You are welcome to express your opinions within our guidelines, but there is no need to let the discussion become about you all and your differences, rather than the teams involved.
And if you are primarily discussing Dan and Jordan you are in the right thread. If you are primarily discussing Jet and Cord, let's use their thread, okay?
Thanks everyone!
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mungobuh:
I realize now that what I say and how I say it can be taken personally, and I apologize to all who I might have offended, especially Gekkou. I got fired up by Jordan's outrage because I would react the same way. I'm also--big surprise--not a big fan of the Cowboys and I get frustrated when Dan & Jordan are scapegoated.
I'll watch my phraseology from here on out.
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