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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #100 on: October 05, 2011, 01:42:50 PM »
The flight from Taipei to Jakarta was reported to be the next one at 830am. The first flight was CI 5855 departing at 805am, arriving at 1205pm. There was another China Airlines flight scheduled for about 40 minutes later, which I don;t think the teams were on.

I would guess that teams were on  CL761 which left at 8:58 and arrived at 13:21.

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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #101 on: October 12, 2011, 09:51:32 AM »
For the beginning of leg 5, teams will have to get from Krabi to Bangkok. Depending on exactly how AR19 producers have worded the clue, it is quite possible that teams might be taking an overnight bus for the 500 km between Krabi and Bangkok. Here are the possible bus options:

1st class air-conditioned bus 24 Seats    17:30    12:00    Krabi Bus Terminal

2nd class air-conditioned bus 50 Seats    17:30    12:30    Krabi Bus Terminal

2nd class air-conditioned bus 50 Seats    16:20    12:30    Krabi Bus terminal

2nd class air-conditioned bus 50 Seats    16:00    12:30    Krabi Khlong Tom; Buy ticket at Kodak Shop

also: 07:30, 08:00, 16:30, 16:40, 17:00

trip normally takes 12 to 14 hours

Train/Bus combination

Phuket Town depart by bus:            12:00       16:00
Surat Thani station arrive by bus:    16:00   20:00  Surat Thani rail station arrive to change bus to train

Surat Thani station depart by train: 17:38    21:04
Bangkok (Hualamphong) arrive:     05:35    08:35


Flight options depend on where the pit stop for leg 4 is. If close to Krabi, then these are the applicable flights to Bangkok:

TG242 0958 1122
FD3164 1205 1325
TG250 1838 2011
FD3168 1918 2030

If the pit stop is close to Phuket, then there are approximately hourly flights to Bangkok.


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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #102 on: October 12, 2011, 12:55:05 PM »
I think they will take buses:



It's about a 15 hour trip.  Bus schedule here.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #103 on: October 14, 2011, 06:56:43 PM »
We never circled back to put all the pieces together in and out of Malawi. Here they are:

June 30 BKK JNB TG703 0108 0700

June 30 JNB LLW SA170 0959 1207

For July 2 after the 2 legs in Malawi I checked whether it was possible to get out from Blantyre to Nairobi. It isn't. There is SA173 to Johannesburg, but it arrives well after the flight below and isn't likely to have been part of the exit route from Africa.

July 2 KL566 NBO AMS 2241 0553+1, which arrived on the morning of July 3rd and offered many possibilities to connect to either Brussels or Copenhagen. There were no nonstops available to either Brussels or Copenhagen departing July 2, but SN453 was a late evening flight to Brussels on July 3.

Note from the editor: I left out July 2 KQ731 1200 1510
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #104 on: October 17, 2011, 01:23:31 AM »
From tonight's episode (Phuket) we get a glimpse into the future  :lol3:

Looks like one or more teams will be on Kenya Airways KQ 116 going from NBO to AMS leaving at 8:10 am and arriving  at 3:55pm on July 3rd (it boards at 6:55 am).

It is also a code share with KLM KL 4140 with is consistent with our spoiler passenger who spotted Racers on such a flight on July 3rd.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #105 on: October 17, 2011, 01:41:31 AM »
Also from the Phuket episode we have the flight that Tommy & Andy and Zac & Laurence took from Jakarta to Bangkok (connection to get to Phuket).

Garuda Indonesia GA 868 leaving at 12:50 pm and arriving at 4:15 pm on June 24th.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #106 on: October 17, 2011, 02:07:34 AM »
From tonight's episode (Phuket) we get a glimpse into the future  :lol3:

Looks like one or more teams will be on Kenya Airways KQ 116 going from NBO to AMS leaving at 8:10 am and arriving  at 3:55pm on July 3rd (it boards at 6:55 am).

It is also a code share with KLM KL 4140 with is consistent with our spoiler passenger who spotted Racers on such a flight on July 3rd.

Great spot! So they're just handing us spoilers on a plate now?!

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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #107 on: October 17, 2011, 09:07:52 AM »
Darn good eyes!! Thanks!! :jumpy:
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #108 on: October 18, 2011, 04:10:58 PM »
Chateau, you're way faster than I am! Ticket for sound-man Ryan?

Above flight works well with KQ 732 from Lilongwe to Nairobi via Lusaka (2 Jul 2355-0105 to Lusaka, 3 Jul 0205-0545 to Nairobi).

After KQ 116 from NBO-AMS (0810-1555), teams can connect (if they're allowed to use the airline) to Cimber Sterling QI 3534, 1915-2055, or the more mainstream SAS SK 554, 2020-2145, to get to Copenhagen. Hours of Operation to pass the night, then race the next day (4 Jul).
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #109 on: October 18, 2011, 09:53:58 PM »
And a truly awesome team will find a faster flight sequence through London, Heathrow:   :jam:

Virgin Atlantic VS 672 NBO LHR 9:50 am arriving 4:40 pm
SAS SK 1516 LHR CPH 6:15 pm arriving 9:10 pm

With the possibility of switching to the earlier flight
SAS SK 506 LHR CPH 4:50 pm arriving 7:45 pm (actual takeoff was 5:19 pm, from the same terminal where VS 672 landed)

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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #110 on: October 19, 2011, 10:07:49 AM »
There are some other alternatives:
KQ116 NBO AMS 0810 1655 connecting with SK1550 AMS CPH 1820 1940 (note: this is a 75 minute connect time in AMS)

earlier in the day MS851 NBO CAI 0430 0820 connecting with MS759 CAI CPH 1000 1440

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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #111 on: October 19, 2011, 09:13:37 PM »
I can't seem to find SK1550 for Sunday July 3rd.  It does show up for Saturday July 2nd though.

And the flight through Cairo leaves Nairobi too early for the 5:45 am arrival from Lusaka/Lilongwe.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #112 on: October 20, 2011, 10:53:35 AM »
There's been speculation that the teams might have taken buses from Phuket to Bangkok; if so, that would be the obverse of season one when teams (or at least Bill and Joe) took buses from Bangkok to Krabi , right?
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #113 on: October 20, 2011, 01:13:04 PM »
I can't seem to find SK1550 for Sunday July 3rd.  It does show up for Saturday July 2nd though.

And the flight through Cairo leaves Nairobi too early for the 5:45 am arrival from Lusaka/Lilongwe.

The departure from Nairobi to Cairo is easily accomplished if teams are on KQ731 LLW NBO July 1200 1510. I see the teams as finally spreading out a bit, with some making that and others having to wait for KQ732 LLW NBO 2355 0545+1 via Lusaka.

I had checked on Sk1550, but on rechecking it, you are right; it did not exist on July 3.

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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #114 on: October 20, 2011, 01:15:29 PM »
theschnauzers,

Absolutely right. AR1, ep. 9 was the infamous delay of Joe/Bill in starting to head for Krabi, allowing all the other teams to beat them there.


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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #115 on: October 20, 2011, 02:05:28 PM »
Peach, didn't we get a siting at the Lilongwe airport of teams leaving?  It was evening of July 2nd ?   :duno:
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #116 on: October 20, 2011, 10:37:11 PM »
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg623723.html#msg623723
Never proven arrival or departure but the date of July 3 would fit departure.
 
And:

The Kenya to ams one July 3
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg623886.html#msg623886

and via Milan:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg623723.html#msg623723

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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #117 on: October 20, 2011, 11:49:27 PM »
Based on the boarding pass, the NBO-AMS sighting, and the Hillerod spoiler, we know this is one of the flights teams took:
KQ 732, KQ 116, then QI 3534 (or similar) from Lilongwe to Lusaka to Nairobi to Amsterdam to Copenhagen, 2 Jul 2355 to 3 Jul 2055

Here's what we assumed following the Milan spoiler:
ET 870, ET 708, then SK 1690 (or similar) from Lilongwe to Addis Ababa to Milan MXP to Milan LIN to Copenhagen, 4 Jul 1505 to 5 Jul 0835
This routing is unlikely, however, because teams leave Malawi and arrive in Denmark much, much later (more than a day) than the other flight we know.

Here are the fastest options via Addis Ababa on the 3rd. It's through Paris or Rome, which would mean the spoiler met the teams from Addis Ababa to Paris/Rome, then split ways at the French/Italian capital, our spoiler heading to Milan and the teams headed to Copenhagen:
ET 876, ET 704, then AF 1750 from Lilongwe to Addis Ababa to Paris to Copenhagen, 3 Jul 1505 to 4 Jul 0920
ET 876, ET 702, LH 243, then SK 640 from Lilongwe to Addis Ababa to Rome to Frankfurt to Copenhagen, 3 Jul 1505 to 4 Jul 1055
The problem is that there's a faster flight even if teams miss our established 2355 to Nairobi:
KQ 724, KL 566, then SK 550 from Lilongwe to Nairobi to Amsterdam to Copenhagen, 3 Jul 1315 to 4 Jul 0820

That leaves a Milan flight itinerary that arrives earlier than the Amsterdam route:
ET 871, ET 708, then U2 2655 (or similar) from Lilongwe to Addis Ababa to Milan MXP to Copenhagen, 2 Jul 1505 to 3 Jul 1105
It's the most likely Milan route at the moment given the information we have, but it arrives in Copenhagen so early (11.05am as opposed to 8.55pm) that we need to have a contrived Hours of Operation to balance teams out.

And just because we can, here's a map to make everything even more confusing!



What are the assumptions we are making? Did we take a leap of logic somewhere?
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #118 on: October 21, 2011, 03:19:01 PM »
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg623723.html#msg623723
Never proven arrival or departure but the date of July 3 would fit departure.
 
And:

The Kenya to ams one July 3
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg623886.html#msg623886

and via Milan:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg623723.html#msg623723

Much more info on each if you **cough cough**  :readtt:   :lol:

Well, the thing is that the NBO AMS flight does not work if you are constrained to leave Malawi on July 3rd.  And now we know that the NBO AMS flight is solid.  So it follows that Teams had to leave Lilongwe on July 2nd.  I was thinking we had an airport siting in Lilongwe that supported this. 

I think the information we have shows that leg started late enough in the day of July 2nd to cause teams to miss both the noon flight to NBO and the 3:05 pm flight to Addis Ababa.

I did report that Teams parked their cars overnight, July 3rd, in the churchyard of Von Frelsers Kirke in Copenhagen.  The Hours of Operation lifted at 7:30 am the next day on July 4th.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #119 on: October 21, 2011, 05:27:15 PM »
The info on July 3 came from two places.

One was from an on the ground spotter who shared that teams were scheduled to depart the 3rd. I was unable to get further clarification when I asked about the 2nd, but the source is highly knowledgable, and ALL other info was 100% reliable.

The other was surmised from this...but there is nothing to say that the tweet dated the third could not have actually been referring to a flight on the 2nd. Was unable to get further info.


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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #120 on: October 21, 2011, 07:17:35 PM »
The following flights are the best combinations to leave Lilongwe on the 3rd, all arriving in Copenhagen after the Hours of Operation have lifted. Teams missing the flight we have through Lusaka, Nairobi and Amsterdam will have to wait more than 13h for the next flight:
Lilongwe to Nairobi (1315-1625)
Nairobi to Amsterdam (2230-0540)
Amsterdam to Copenhagen (0655-0820)

If tickets are sold out or teams happen to be so incompetent they fall more than 14h behind the lead team, they can catch up with this itinerary with risky connections:
Lilongwe to Addis Ababa (1505-1945)
Addis Ababa to Bahrain (2255-0025)
Bahrain to Frankfurt (0115-0640)
Frankfurt to Copenhagen (0735-0855)

The safer itinerary for these incompetent teams is:
Lilongwe to Addis Ababa (1505-1945)
Addis Ababa to Paris (2345-0630)
Paris to Copenhagen (0730-0920)

Only this third itinerary is plausible for teams who wish to bump into the spoiler travelling from Ethiopia to Italy. But this means we'd have to assume that they fell 14h or more behind the lead teams in Malawi.

As mentioned above, the fourth itinerary that leaves Lilongwe on 2 Jul would mean Hours of Operation begin at the very contrived time of noon, lasting until the next morning. So either 1) some teams are so fast we'd need a crazy Hours of Operation or 2) some teams are so slow they fall way behind. It's pretty difficult to reconcile the Milan spoiler...
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #121 on: October 21, 2011, 07:57:50 PM »
How was it that we got the date for that Ethiopia to Italy spoiler flight?  Can we review that, because I could not reconstruct it from what I could find.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #122 on: October 21, 2011, 08:24:24 PM »
I don't think we have a date for that spoiler, so I looked at flights, both direct and connecting, from Ethiopia to Italy between 2 and 4 Jul.

If the flight where the spoiler met the teams was on 2 Jul, they would arrive in Copenhagen at 11.05am on 3 Jul, too early for a normal overnight Hours of Operation. If the flight was on 3 Jul (or later), teams would arrive after 9.20am on 4 Jul, too late to make the Hours of Operation bunching, and would also have better options than travelling through Addis Ababa (for example, Lilongwe-Nairobi-Amsterdam-Copenhagen, arriving 8.20am on 4 Jul).
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« Reply #123 on: October 21, 2011, 08:42:38 PM »
That's a good bit of research!  We may have to wait for the show to figure it out.   :duno:
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #124 on: October 21, 2011, 08:49:53 PM »
I think they must have left on July 2.5. :lol:

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