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Offline Platrium

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Keep on Racing Legs Penalty?
« on: April 07, 2014, 10:11:39 PM »
Do you think a Keep on Racing leg or TBC leg should have a penalty for the last team to check-in?

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Re: Keep on Racing Legs Penalty?
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2014, 10:15:00 PM »
No if the leg is truly a linear leg with no bunching, yes if there is a bunching or flight.


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Re: Keep on Racing Legs Penalty?
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2014, 10:49:09 PM »
If it's a penultimate KoR/TBC Leg like Beijing in TAR14, then no, I don't believe there should be a penalty because it's so close to the finale. I wouldn't want any teams' chances of racing for the million toasted all because of a fake Pit Stop AKA "midpoint" penalty near the end of the season... especially when the tasks are linear and/or timed.

However, standard KoR/TBC Legs like Moscow in TAR9 and Sydney in TAR18 should be assessed penalties because it contains majorly governed locomotion (airplanes, trains, buses) in the following Leg. Those so-called equalizers bunch teams together and it feels more like a separate Leg (non-elimination).

Instead of a Speed Bump, the KoR/TBC Legs should have a marked for elimination (30-min. penalty) consequence.
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Re: Keep on Racing Legs Penalty?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2014, 07:33:53 PM »
Yes.  Since they're considered separate Legs or "zero hour Pit Stops" there should at least be a penalty if there's no elimination.
These aren't the original TBC-legs where they are considered one huge double length Leg.  These are basically non-elimination Legs with no penalties.  That should change.

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Re: Keep on Racing Legs Penalty?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2014, 08:37:56 PM »
No. The whole point of TBC legs (with the exception of the very first one which happened because of a production fluke) is to provide opportunity for comebacks and twists of fate. Penalties for the last team would limit that possibility. I don't think whether it is early or late in the race even needs to be a deciding factor.

Also, there is still no significant difference between these and the TBC legs of old. They are simply counted differently by Phil (for no apparent reason).
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Re: Keep on Racing Legs Penalty?
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2014, 02:48:50 PM »
They've changed the distinction between double Legs (TAR6-10) and the Legs with zero hour Pit Stops that are being used now that are, again, non-elimination Legs without penalty.

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Re: Keep on Racing Legs Penalty?
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2014, 12:57:01 PM »
They've changed the distinction between double Legs (TAR6-10) and the Legs with zero hour Pit Stops that are being used now that are, again, non-elimination Legs without penalty.

I know. I meant that while these legs are a little different (now there is a prize for team number 1) from the TBC legs of old, the difference is not significant in my book.
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Re: Keep on Racing Legs Penalty?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2021, 03:54:38 PM »
I think all Keep Racing legs should have a penalty, at least the ones that are counted as separate legs from TAR18 onwards.
When you think about it, that team is getting a free pass really.
Prior to TAR 18 and Season 32, these are counted as one long leg (the way I preferred it) and therefore there should NOT be a penalty.
I already posted how much I loathe KOR legs being counted as two legs and wished it never happened in the first place.  :groan:
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Re: Keep on Racing Legs Penalty?
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2021, 09:08:18 PM »
No. The whole point of TBC legs (with the exception of the very first one which happened because of a production fluke) is to provide opportunity for comebacks and twists of fate. Penalties for the last team would limit that possibility. I don't think whether it is early or late in the race even needs to be a deciding factor.

Also, there is still no significant difference between these and the TBC legs of old. They are simply counted differently by Phil (for no apparent reason).
I was going to say a penalty however after reading this I understand why there is no penalty. If they wanted to make the last place team have a penalty one they would have already done it and two they would just have a non-elimination leg. Also, what was the S18 leg 1 production fluke (kinda upset that I have been a superfan for at least 2 years now, and haven't known this)?

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Re: Keep on Racing Legs Penalty?
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2021, 09:38:51 PM »
No. The whole point of TBC legs (with the exception of the very first one which happened because of a production fluke) is to provide opportunity for comebacks and twists of fate. Penalties for the last team would limit that possibility. I don't think whether it is early or late in the race even needs to be a deciding factor.

Also, there is still no significant difference between these and the TBC legs of old. They are simply counted differently by Phil (for no apparent reason).
I was going to say a penalty however after reading this I understand why there is no penalty. If they wanted to make the last place team have a penalty one they would have already done it and two they would just have a non-elimination leg. Also, what was the S18 leg 1 production fluke (kinda upset that I have been a superfan for at least 2 years now, and haven't known this)?

This is exactly why I can't stand KOR legs being separate. TAR6-10, 14 and 32 perfected this as there were no penalties and nothing felt out of place.
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Re: Keep on Racing Legs Penalty?
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2021, 11:19:55 PM »
I prefer them to be a keep racing point with no penalties.
But i think it should only happen like once or twice a season.

I like the mix between NEL and KOR.
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