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Archive => RFF Archived Boards => Treasure Hunters => Topic started by: Slowhatch on May 26, 2006, 09:41:20 AM
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I guess I'll get the ball rolling. I've made progress on some items, and on other things I'll need some help. I'm going to break up the caps instead of making one really long post. First up: the Boston Light (http://lighthouse.cc/boston/index.html).
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What makes it easy is that one sequence will sometimes explain something else. For example, a team is holding the ship medallion (location unknown) and someone says they have to go to Dover Castle to look for it. I could have looked for this cap a long time without making a connection. Kmz attached
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/treasurehunters/pudRFF90152.jpg)
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The Gadsden flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag). Significance: unknown (to me, anyway).
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Fort Pulaski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Pulaski), near Savannah, Georgia. History here (http://www.cr.nps.gov/seac/pulaski/0-introduction/index.htm). The kmz is attached, but it's fuzzy; some high-res shots here (http://www.shadedrelief.com/birds_eye/more_images/townsend/pulaski.jpg) and here (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=32.027021~-80.890901&style=o&lvl=2&scene=1422381).
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/treasurehunters/pudRFF90147.jpg)
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The Lewis and Clark code is explained here (http://lewisandclarktrail.com/legacy/secretcode.htm). Their password was in fact "artichokes." (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/treasurehunters/pudRFF90121.jpg)
The "tower" in the message is almost certainly Tower Rock state park (http://russell.visitmt.com/listings/15144.htm). This is a L&C journal entry describing the rock. (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/treasurehunters/pudRFF90148.jpg)
Remember the Montana sighting (here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?topic=6511.msg91771#msg91771) and here (http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050920/NEWS01/509200307/1002)) we spent so much time on? It turns out to be TH. At the top of the tower (I'm just guessing here) teams find the message "something bottom Missouri River."
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(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/treasurehunters/pudRFF90116.jpg) A kind of cryptex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptex), perhaps?
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(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/treasurehunters/pudRFF90131.jpg) Strawbery Banke is settlement re-created in Portsmouth, NH. There were no battles in NH, but the state did supply Minutemen (see here (http://encarta.msn.com/text_761577742__1/New_Hampshire.html), section 8-I). The Wentworths (http://www.strawberybanke.org/museum/wentworth/wentworth.html) were a prominent local family.
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Follow the Drinking Gourd (http://quest.nasa.gov/ltc/special/mlk/gourd2.html) is a song about the UGRR. It's on the paper cap (below) and it's written on the back wall of the tunnel/cellar. (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/treasurehunters/pudRFF90127.jpg)
More about codes here (http://www.nsa.gov/publications/publi00011.cfm).
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This work (http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/art/neb.htm) by French is at Lincoln, Nebraska, which makes the building easy. Compare the building details (esp. the frieze depicting the pioneers) with this photo (http://www.wilhelm-aerospace.org/Architecture/modern/art-deco/nebraska-capitol/ne-capitol-tilt-close.jpg): it's the Nebraska statehouse.
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(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/treasurehunters/pudRFF90123.jpg) An examination of the tail numbers reveals the helos to be Eurocopters AS-350s used by Era Helicopters (http://www.erahelicopters.com/operations.htm) somewhere in Alaska. I'm not sure where exactly: it's an icefield or glacier, somewhere near an arm or inlet of the ocean.
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Hawaii (I'm guessing): the black lava fields suggest the Big Island. There's a phony plane wreck (when the teams are inside looking for something, you can't see any rust or deformed metal) and a waterfall (Akaka Falls (http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Parks/hawaii/Picture24.html), perhaps?). The name of the diving ship is a little too fuzzy for me to read.
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Mount Rushmore: the code is given in the promo. The teams are told to take the Presidential Trail. It's the first, most basic trail there, so I don't know how some teams could get lost.
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Gosh, they were in the midwest. I have been in Lincoln a few times, that is pretty cool!!
Keep up the great work slowhatch!
Rob
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I have some time later Slowhatch , I'll post some cast pictures in a new thread !! :thankyou:
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An unknown city. People drive on the right. The buildings have a distinctive style: I've been using this site (http://www.ontarioarchitecture.com/Styles.html) without much luck. I'm thinking maybe Tudor Revival but if anybody knows architecture please chip in.
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When you read the Imdb entry (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472981/combined), there are some expected things: Boston, New York, and South Carolina (probably Fort Pulaski; it's right on the border). But there are also a couple of curious entries. The first is "coordinator:GE." Google Earth? General Electric?
The second is a number of references to "Mansefield." According to the Census (http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/gazetteer) there's not a single town in the U.S. with that name. When you google it you get a lot of hits about Fort William, Scotland, at the base of Ben Nevis mountain.
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Symbols:
- Railing with the Star of David and a Budded Cross (http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/budded.html). My first thought on seeing this was "Unitarian," because Unitarians and Quakers were well-represented in the UGRR, but I could be wrong.
- A stylized caduceus, maybe?
- The reverse of the Great Seal on the dollar bill is shown; an explanation here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Seal_of_the_United_States).
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The hunt for clues continues
Two Sundays ago, we admitted that the crews filming a reality TV show in the Great Falls area last month weren't from CBS' "The Amazing Race," as we had speculated. Beyond that, we were stumped.
An unidentified local guy who worked on the project called the newsroom but he had signed some sort of "under pain of death if you talk" contract and provided little new info.
Then, the same Internet explorer who set us straight the first time e-mailed to say all signs point to NBC's "Treasure Hunters." The reality show reportedly was cast in April and May, and filming began in August for a springtime premiere.
According to the network's Web site, NBC was looking for "unique groups of three to compete for thrills and riches in television's first global treasure hunt" The treasure hunters "will face exciting challenges requiring brains, stamina, passion, and teamwork."
The teams will be sent on a global search to solve a puzzle. The first team to uncover all the clues will be told the location of a hidden treasure.
Any more clues? Call 791-1491 on Monday or email tribcity@sofast.net
Were you the internet explorer, Puddin? :hero: You knew all along! :hfive: Maybe you could trade some more information with that guy on the newspaper. Although the newspaper mentions power boats, the portage cap below might be from the Benton area.
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Last Frontier spent last summer scouting locations on the Matanuska and Knik glaciers and in Hatcher Pass for a new NBC reality series called "Treasure Hunters." The company ferried 150 people daily to shoots on the glaciers.
Oops. The paper mentions Last Frontier Air Ventures (http://www.lastfrontierranch.com/heliski.htm) as the helicopter company. Their helos don't match the caps, but who knows...
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Great work Slowhatch! :jumpy:
Here is a shot of Tower Rock from this site (http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/lewisandclark/tow.htm).
Where is that cellar place with the Drinking Gourd song on the wall?
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Good question. The size of the chamber and the shape of the ceiling suggest something large enough for a metro car to pass through (although I hope the producers don't think the UGRR referred to an actual railroad). There's some kind of design or construction on the wall, but I can't make it out.
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I think these two caps are the same spot, but I can't place them. The first is a median or park with a flag and maybe some water in the distance. The second, where teams receive their Dover medallion, is next to some kind of pillar/pedestal/monument/building.
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:)
here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?topic=6511.msg90885#msg90885)
well they are talking about this article @ tarflies too ..
Actually I was thinking could they be filming the NBC series 'TreasureHunters' .. who knows ?
stupid reporter not doing his research before writing this </]
and here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?topic=6511.msg93236#msg93236)
FlamingCactusIT
07-19-05, 00:25 AM (EST)
30. "Don't know how credible..."
I read on a site, don't know where, that there was something about going to Montana for a visit to Pomp's Pillar (The place that Lewis and Clark engraved their signatures on the expedition), that's outside Billings. The C.M. Russell art museum, that's outside Great Falls, and lastly something about purple sidewalk squares. Don't know what's significant about it, or where that is in Montana.
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NBC has a summer promo video here:
http://od-msn.msn.com/3/mbr/summer_promo_exp_052906.wmv
Only the first few seconds are about TH but there's a couple of interesting caps. In the first, you can see that one of the starting points is on a helipad in the middle of the blue diving boat (no name yet). The second should be somewhere on a bridge over the Seine: the camera pans quickly from the top of the Eiffel Tower to the head of the man in the red shirt to the map-reading session.
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from Sept 2005
Capitol stars in reality show
BY PAUL HAMMEL
WORLD-HERALD BUREAU
LINCOLN - The State Capitol may soon be a television star.
A cameraman films participants in a reality series Tuesday night as they get out of cars at the Nebraska Capitol in Lincoln.
And no, it won't be as a backdrop for "Tommy Lee Goes to the Legislature."
Film crews shot outside the Capitol Tuesday night for a vaguely described reality show that will feature historic sites around the country.
Crews began assembling large lighting screens after 5 p.m. to avoid attention. By about 10:30 p.m., the bright spotlights, some mounted on boom trucks, illuminated the north entrance of the Capitol. Over and over, six camera operators filmed a group of about 20 contestants as they ran along the third-story terrace that rings the building. They appeared to be carrying some kind of papers or instructions.
The Nebraska Capitol building is apparently the first site for filming of the show, which will appear on NBC, said Bob Ripley, administrator of the State Capitol.
Ripley said producers of the show were "deliberately vague" about the specifics of the new program or why they selected Nebraska.
"We're standing back and wondering what's going to come out of this," he said. "It should be a good thing . . . but it's pretty hard to predict."
One rumor was that the filming was for an episode of the "Amazing Race," but that program is on CBS, not NBC.
The latter network has been advertising for contestants for a new global reality show called "Treasure Hunters," but officials declined to comment on any connection between the Capitol and that program.
"For this kind of show, confidentiality is paramount," said Fred Pichel, a producer who is working with the project. He referred questions to an NBC spokeswoman, who also declined comment.
Pichel, whose credits include a documentary on crab fishermen called "America's Deadliest Season" and an FX Networks reality show called "30 Days With Morgan Spurlock," said filming at the Capitol should conclude today.
He said that no movie stars will be coming to Lincoln and that about 100 people would be involved in the shoot.
When asked why the State Capitol was chosen, Pichel responded, "It's an icon. That's why we're here."
The state's part-time film officer also was mum on the project, saying she was asked to not reveal details.
"No, it's not 'Tommy Lee Goes to the Legislature,'" said film officer Laurie Richards, referring to the reality show shot at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln that depicts rock drummer Tommy Lee.
Richards said, however, that film crews had a positive experience shooting the UNL reality series, which concluded Tuesday night - and that may have helped lead to more filming in Nebraska.
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Here is a link that has a panorama showing the relative locations of the 1/4 scale Statue of Liberty (http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen3/f3.html) and the Eiffel Tower.
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I thought I had it there for a minute. On Swan Alley/Island, on the end opposite from the Statue of Liberty mini-me is the Bir-Hakeim bridge, a statue of a guy on a horse (http://fromparis.com/modules/quicktime_fullscreen_display.php?style=qtfullscreen&pano=000001_01), and a place to rest a map and a laptop. The perspective looks OK but the riverbank doesn't match the cap (and there should be tourist barges there, even in the off-season). So I'll keep looking.
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Here is the sequence as best as I can stitch it together. In the third picture it looks like maybe there's a bridge on the left and a tall building on the right.
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I think the shot is taken on the Pont Mirabeau and the bank is the Voie Georges Pompidou. They are probably looking at/for the ¼ scale Statue of Liberty on Pont de Grenelle.
Here is a photo taken from Pont Mirabeau (http://www.pbase.com/francist/image/20124216).
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It's very possible; here's the VR (http://www.fromparis.com/modules/quicktime_fullscreen_display.php?style=qtfullscreen&pano=000015_01), lined up for almost the exact same viewpoint as the cap. :tup:
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Slowhatch,
How in the world did you do all of this?
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Having no life gives me plenty of time. :lol3:
But seriously....it's fun. Just bounce around aimlessly in cyberspace. You go looking for something, you see something else that's interesting and off you go in a different direction (just make sure to keep a "temp" favorites folder so you can find your way back). For the last half-hour I've been working the other side of the Seine near Notre Dame. I checked the insides of the cathedrals (ND and Chapelle) to see if they matched the "cathedral" TH caps--no luck. Then I found a bridges list (http://usuarios.lycos.es/pedroplasencia/List of bridges.htm) and compared viewpoints of Eiffel--a little progress, but not much. I was hesitant about googling "paris webcams" because of you-know-who, but instead I found this transit of Io (http://photos.lacoccinelle.net/20/59/242059.gif) taken just a fortnight ago.
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Another article (http://www.erma.org/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=277&Itemid=79) about TH and branded entertainment, this time with some spoiler info. In addition to mentioning some of the brands--Ask.com, Dell laptops, Motorola phones, and Toyota trucks--there's this quote:
Rounding out the marketers, Orbitz.com will provide travel services to teams, while a security feature from Visa will help unlock a puzzle.
???
(Just a guess: it's this thing (http://www.usa.visa.com/personal/security/visa_security_program/3_digit_code.html))
On another topic, I doubt you'll ever see Phil looking like this (http://www.apemania.com/cast/laird.htm). ;D
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Some more confirmation for Hawaii:
Videographer Randy Mills (http://www.randomdevelopments.com/2005/filmography.htm) lists TH in his filmography for 2005. He's worked out of Maui (http://www.akaku.org/staff.htm) since 2003.
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Awesome find Slowhatch :hfive:
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SO excited to have a new show over which to kvell and obsess.
I had a thought (a rarity to be sure) on the Little Eiffel tower -- isn't there a theme park in Beijing China called the World? It has all kinds of international landmarks there? There's also one in Japan i think? ???
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isn't there a theme park in Beijing China called the World?
Yes, it's here (http://www.ebeijing.gov.cn/Tour/ScenicSpots/t158825.htm) and they have a replica of the E.T.--I'm not sure about the scale, though.
I'm having some problems with the coins; if any numistmatists want to chime in, feel free. The first two caps are coin details. Below the eagle (first cap) I think I see the words "twenty dollars" but I'm not sure. I've checked it against double eagles and other common gold coins here (http://www.coinpage.com/gold coin-pictures.html) (warning: a lot of thumbnails, takes a while to load) but no matches. It shows some similarity to a Mexican gold piece, but no match there either. Since there are a lot of coins (in very good condition) in the video sequence, I'm not discounting the possibility that's it's phony production stuff, but I'll keep looking.
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Finally! It took long enough. The magic phrase was a google image search for "honolulu vessel" and up pops the very first hit :doh:: the Hawaii Responder (http://www.boatnerd.com/news/newpictures03/HAWAII-RESPONDER,-Honolulu-.jpg), Pier 35 Honolulu, one of 15 oil-spill vessels working for MSRC (http://www.msrc.org/News/USGCommandant.htm). Communications details (morse code, etc.) here (http://www.uscg.mil/d14/units/msohono/hacp/5110.htm) (bottom of page). Compare the stack behind the wheelhouse and the ladder next to the helipad.
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thats it Slowhatch ! :jumpy:
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We have five of the teams starting in Hawaii on an oil rig service something or other. I saw shot of another five teams in the same outward facing circle (looking out to all directions of the compass??) which looks to be in a field with a New England looking farm house in the BG. So if one teams starts off in the most western state, maybe the second bunch starts off in the most eastern state such as Maine. OK, ok, I know Alaska is actually our most Western State with the Aleutian Islands stretching out almost to Asia across the International Date Line so Alaska is actually our most Eastern state as well.
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You guys are great getting all that info out to us. Thanks. ;D
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I'm trying out a new capture card that seems to give me slightly better definition. A brief promo tonight and I was able to read the compass: it's a Stanley London (http://www.stanleylondon.com/comppocket3.htm). It would seem to be of limited usefulness for pathfinding or orienteering (unless it was put in the commercial just for show, which means I just wasted 20 min. :knuckles:).
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Another good promo last night on NBC but I had to suffer through 90 minutes of Deal or No Deal to catch it. DND is just about the worst I have seen in a long time, but sadly it pulls in twice the audience of TAR. Now what does that say about TV audiences these days?
But I degress.
Hard to put a finger on what is going on in the promos, but it looks like the key to the game will be the solving of clues. Brain over Brawn? Goes back to the very original idea behind TAR when in ep one (and just about only in ep one) teams were given clues of where they had to go to find the next clue. So I imagine it is going to be hard to come up with any meaningful scenarios before the airing of each ep. Also we have five teams starting out in opposite sides of the USofA; one team I imagine travels west and another team travels east so it is going to be hard at first to figure out which group is going where and doing what when they get there. And unless, TPTB give us a hint at what clue has to be solved, we won't know much more than squat about each ep.
So brush up on your cryptography, puzzle solvers, numerology, et al and be prepared to solve cryptic codes, etc.
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I wish TAR would go back to the solving clues approach. Made the game more interesting IMO.
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I think these two caps are the same spot, but I can't place them. The first is a median or park with a flag and maybe some water in the distance. The second, where teams receive their Dover medallion, is next to some kind of pillar/pedestal/monument/building.
That just might be the National Mall near the Viet Nam Memorial or the Korean War Memorial both of which are in front of the Lincoln Memorial which contains the statue of Lincoln by French.
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Monday night promo on DND (ugh!) included nice shot of the State Capital building in Lincoln, Neb. Could their clue send them to Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC?
Try this link for pix.
http://www.planetware.com/picture/lincoln/state-capitol-us-nblm1.htm
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I was wrong. I found a cap (below) of a team using the SL compass. A couple of things to note:
- It's not very user-friendly. Even the product page seems to get it wrong--look here (http://www.stanleylondon.com/comppocket3.htm) for "proper method..." (doesn't 10 degrees south of due east=100?)
- Unless they're given a topo map or specific directions (e.g. "walk on a heading of 170 degrees") the teams will have to take declination (http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/geomag/declination.shtml) into account. In the Rushmore area, for example, it's 9 degrees; it doesn't sound like much but it might be enough to send someone down the wrong trail.
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So far we have identified the following possible locations for TH1:
Big Island or Maui, Hawaii
Independence Mine, Alaska
Matanuska Glacier, Alaska
Eagle Rock State Park, Craig, Montana
Mount Rushmore, South Dakota
Nebraska State Capitol Building, Lincoln, Nebraska
Fort Pulaski, Savannah, Georgia
The National Mall, Washington, DC
Boston Light, Boston, Massachusettes
Strawbery Banke, Portsmouth, New Hampshire
Big Ben, London, England
Dover Castle, Kent, England
Eiffle Tower, Seine River, Paris, France
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Here's a Rushmore map (http://www.nps.gov/applications/parks/moru/ppMaps/k10625~1.jpg) showing the presidential trail in relation to the mountain/ampitheater/etc. I won't know if the presidential seal (cap below) ties in until I see the show.
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For what it is worth, the Presidental trail takes you right under the faces of Washington and Lincoln. I was just there last summer, and I can't wait to see it on TV now!!!
Rob
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from TV Guide~
Premise: Ten three-member teams travel to different locales and search for clues leading to treasure in a reality contest featuring both mental and physical challenges.
Episode Detail: Treasure Hunters ( all times ET )
Treasure Hunters Sun, Jun 18 08:00 PM WBRE 3
Debut: Ten three-member teams travel to different locales and search for clues leading to a hidden treasure. First up: A group of five teams in Alaska and a group of five teams in Hawaii begin the competition, unaware of each other's existence. As the hunt gets under way, participants face both physical and mental challenges, and one team gets eliminated. Laird Macintosh is the host.
more from the Futon Critic~
Sunday, June 18 2006
TREASURE HUNTERS --(8:00PM-10:00PM) --(TV-PG L)
"Episode No.101 - Series Premiere"
THE HUNT BEGINS IN NEW ADVENTURE REALITY SERIES FROM THE PRODUCERS OF "THE DA VINCI CODE" -- Laird Macintosh ("Ultimate Playground") hosts this fast-paced adventure/mystery reality series where multi-player teams try to stay one step ahead of each other as they travel to historically significant locations around the globe and are mentally and physically challenged in their quest of a promised hidden treasure. The secrets of history protects seven mysterious artifacts that when combined, will reveal the key to the treasure. As ten teams of treasure hunters begin their search, one group of five teams find themselves in Alaska and the other group in Hawaii -- neither is aware the other group exists. As each team faces mental and physical challenges beyond their expectations in their respective environments, nothing prepares them for when both groups come face to face and realize the competition just got steeper. Now, ten teams rush to the next location where a mixture of real history and brain-teasing challenges only allow nine teams to move to the next round.
Treasure Hunters Mon, Jun 19 09:00 PM WBRE 3
The nine remaining teams journey to the American West and take part in challenges relating to 19th-century explorers Meriwether Lewis and William Clark..
more from the Futon Critic~
Monday, June 19 2006
TREASURE HUNTERS --(9:00PM-10:00PM) --(TV-PG)
"Episode No.102"
BEND THE LIGHT-- To find the second of seven artifacts that will lead them to the treasure, the remaining nine teams must crack the secret code of Lewis & Clark as they follow in their footsteps through the American West. Laird Macintosh ("Ultimate Playground") hosts this fast-paced adventure/mystery reality series where multi-player teams try to stay one step ahead of each other as they are mentally and physically challenged in their quest of a promised hidden treasure.
Treasure Hunters Mon, Jun 26 09:00 PM WBRE 3
The remaining eight teams become immersed in the history of the American Revolution as they attempt to find the third of seven artifacts in the treasure hunt.
more from the FutonCritic~
Monday, June 26 2006
TREASURE HUNTERS --(9:00PM-10:00PM) --(TV-PG L)
"Episode No.103"
DON'T TRUST THY NEIGHBOR -- To find the third of seven artifacts that will lead them to the treasure, the remaining eight teams must pair up to uncover the secrets of the American Revolution as they travel through America's colonial past. Laird Macintosh ("Ultimate Playground") hosts this fast-paced adventure/mystery reality series where multi-player teams try to stay one step ahead of each other as they are mentally and physically challenged in their quest for a promised hidden treasure.
note:
( EP1 repeats: Treasure Hunters Mon, Jun 26 08:00 PM WBRE 3 )
( EP2 repeats : Treasure Hunters Wed, Jun 21 08:00 PM WBRE 3 )
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I found some clips ! at least I haven't seen them before ;D
Treasure Hunters: Glacier Challenge
http://click.real.com/?clipid=10533131&pageid=celebs.defaultPage&pageregion=A3&rct=0&rctd=20060613
Treasure Hunters: Morse Code
http://click.real.com/?clipid=10533034&pageid=celebs.defaultPage&pageregion=A3&rct=0&rctd=20060613
Treasure Hunters: Ocean Challenge
http://click.real.com/?clipid=10533052&pageid=celebs.defaultPage&pageregion=A3&rct=0&rctd=20060613
Treasure Hunters: Sneaky Preacher
http://click.real.com/?clipid=10533136&pageid=celebs.defaultPage&pageregion=A3&rct=0&rctd=20060613
Treasure Hunters: Mullets!
http://click.real.com/?clipid=10533059&pageid=celebs.defaultPage&pageregion=A3&rct=0&rctd=20060613
links here
http://celebs.guide.real.com/
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Great job, Puddin! :waves: By playing around with the address, I was able to find a few confessionals. Here's the address for the first four:
rtsp://rx-wes-sea138.rbn.com:554/farm/*/realguide/TV/NBC/Treasure/treasurehunters_clip4.rm
Substitute 1,2,or 3 after the "clip" and you get this lineup:
clip 1: Miss USA
clip 2: Ex-CIA
clip 3: Southies
clip 4: Morse code
The the address changes to:
rtsp://rx-wes-sea130.rbn.com:554/farm/*/realguide/TV/NBC/Treasure/treasurehunters_clip8.rm
Again, substitute 5,6, or 7 after the "clip" and you get this:
clip 5: Ocean challenge
clip 6: Sexy mullet
clip 7: Glacier challenge
clip 8: sneaky preacher
There's probably more, but I'm not advanced enough to dig into their server.
As far as the glacier challenge goes, I ask you: what's wrong with this picture? :lol:
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:-\ I am like the worst at this sort of stuff Slowhatch , so please tell me :-[
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That's so odd. Because the same bad number was posted in Harry's writeup. I just thought it was a typo. If you make it change the 400 to 100 (can't see the rest right now) then you get to a blurry glacier.
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That's probably it. I've attached the kmz for Lake George, which is about 40 miles away.
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thanks Slowhatch!
I haven't seen this clip yet , lots of details
Sorry it's AOL so I can't get the properties ...................
http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1659428&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.singingfish.com
a review with more clips
here (http://ivillage.feedroom.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=b41f98fb5:10bdaf429fa:4d2a&rf=rss_sfmedia&fr_story=1583632e3a5fb8e3d1f0d15c119ec6af2a606457&st=1150438490437&mp=WMP&cpf=true&fr=061606_021441_41f98fb5x10bdaf429fax4d2b&rdm=170547.62894118996)
and here (http://ivillage.feedroom.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=b41f98fb5:10bdaf429fa:504d&rf=rss_sfmedia&fr_story=c49a692a3264d76d6b0d83dc2e179b7a8143810b&st=1150438751734&mp=WMP&cpf=true&fr=061606_021441_41f98fb5x10bdaf429fax4d2b&rdm=979862.7732817642)
ok I see the links dont take you right to the clips but there are on the page below , in the links .
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:jumpy: Thanks, great stuff! New material to work with! :woohoo: Site:
http://wms.stream.aol.com/aol/us/aoltelevision/2006/nbc/treasurehunters/treasurehunters_061806_460.wmv
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They flipped the frames (deliberately?). When you turn the image around it reads "Battle of Baltimore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baltimore)." (star-spangled banner, etc.)
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:hearts:
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A fish shop in Paris (I'm presuming). The sign reads poissons **ns. If I could get a better read I could look it up in the Paris yellow pages.
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Masonic symbols: the compass and square (not sure what that is in the middle); and the eye-of-god in the dollar's pyramid. I've gotta agree with the article (http://www.calendarlive.com/tv/cl-et-treasure16jun16,0,691923.story?coll=cl-tvent-util) today in the Times; the show owes more to National Treasure than to Da Vinci Code.
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I use to read alot about the Freemasonry but it's been years , maybe its the " key " ?
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TPTB really want to give a lot of hints away on where they are going and what teams are still in the race at each location. We have teams shown in a variety of locations, i.e. The Brown Family at Boston Light. Now we just have to spend the time to match the right people to the right spot and we will have a pretty good idea of what the elimination order may be.
But to view the tape of last night's show is a torture I don't want to endure again just yet. One time was bad enough.
And all those fake telephone inserts of the host giving instructions were just too much to accept as "reality".
Personally, I don't think I will be wasting much time over this rather dull and pointless series.
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Looks like gingerman is not alone in his "less than glowing" review of the premier of Treasure Hunters. The NY Times did a sneak peek review (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/17/arts/television/17heff.html) of episode 1, and they were not pleased. :groan:
Edited to add: additional reviews found on metacritic.com (http://www.metacritic.com/tv/shows/treasurehunters).
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I felt the heavy hand of production in just about every clip. (:;)
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First the glacier coordinates, now this. This probably doesn't qualify as a spoiler (unless production is messing with us in some weird way, and I don't give them that much credit), but I'll post it here anyway. The coordinates listed in the cap spots the teams in the middle of the Atlantic, nowhere near Hawaii. I thought it may be a simple mistake, but I heard of one the Geniuses recite the numbers to the boat driver.
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Just one more example of how sloppy this production is. And I do hope they kill that Ghad-awful music track.
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I am so shocked!!! :colealert:
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Dive Hana Bay
But 20.74 N, 155.872 W does work. They are just sloppy.
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I detect a real lack of interest in this poor excuse of a "reality" show.
Nielson ratings for the premiere support this view.
Back to where the action is on TAR10. Now there we have some real action.
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Nielson ratings for the premiere support this view.
Interesting. Bad reviews are one thing, but Nielsen measures viewership (time & channel). Hope this does not carry over to TAR10 when it premieres in the fall in the same time slot (Sundays @8pm). :( ......naaaah
:lol3: ...don't think theres any risk of TH being cancelled, if Slowhatch has anything to do with it. Seems he keeps this show ( and forum topic) going by sheer will. Might be a case of TAR withdrawal. LOL ;D
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Ah well, something to do. The only thing missing from TAR10 is a cellphone photo of Phil congratulating the winners ;D. (From the image I gather you're a Suse person. I may be joining the crowd soon; I tried Vista Beta 2 over the weekend and it only lasted a few hours. Awful stuff)
Back to business: the fifteen stars and stripes mark this as the star-spangled banner (http://americanhistory.si.edu/ssb/2_home/fs2.html). You can also see it behind the geniuses at the iron hand press (probably a Washington (http://www.briarpress.org/cgi-bin/briarpress/show.cgi?db=press&uid=default&view_records=1&Name=Washington&mh=1) or Wells model).
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(From the image I gather you're a Suse person. I may be joining the crowd soon; I tried Vista Beta 2 over the weekend and it only lasted a few hours. Awful stuff)
You are very observant...but then again, you're a TAR Detective :lol: While XP is my primary OS, I have played around with various flavors of Linux, and found SuSE 10.0 to work best with my h/w. It's a free download, but device drivers can be a pain. Now that Google Earth is available for Linux, I may be using it more often. Vista looks interesting, but NO driver support (yet)!
But I digress.....knock yourself out with TH spoiling. I'll save my energy for "the real thing" this fall. ;)
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So this "map" is Baltimore Harbor (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=baltimore,+md&ie=UTF8&ll=39.266949,-76.565094&spn=0.211313,0.340576&om=1) right?
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Could be. I've looked for old Baltimore maps; the earliest I could find is one from 1869 (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/baltimore_1869.jpg) but it doesn't include the fort area. It's hard to pin down data sometimes because, as you said earlier, production is so sloppy (the lat-long thing is still nagging me).
On a different topic, I'll go ahead and ascribe the mine caps to the area around Butte Montana based on nothing more than this (http://montanafilm.com/directory.htm) (scroll down to item 78 and follow the links).
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So they are off to Ft. McHenry. Big Deal
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episode2
The nine remaining teams journey to the American West and take part in challenges relating to 19th-century explorers Meriwether Lewis and William Clark
episode3
The remaining eight teams become immersed in the history of the American Revolution as they attempt to find the third of seven artifacts in the treasure hunt.
episode4
The seven remaining teams explore some of the secrets of the Underground Railroad.
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The TeamFogal website includes a better version of the final map (http://www.teamfogal.com/images/gallery/blankmap.jpg). I haven't decided whether the stippled area is shoreline or just elevation.
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So this "map" is Baltimore Harbor (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=baltimore,+md&ie=UTF8&ll=39.266949,-76.565094&spn=0.211313,0.340576&om=1) right?
The map shown is suppposed to be the location of the final treasure. If it is indeed that of Baltimore Harbour, then the teams go to Boston, London, Dover Castle, and Paris before they return to USofA and look for the final treasure around Ft. McHenry. Sort of doubt it. So map must be somewhere else.
TPTB certainly are giving us enough hints of which teams survive the longest in their previews: Browns in Boston, Geniuses in Paris. etc.
NBC must be getting desperate since they repeated a one-hour version Friday night, will do so again Saturday, and once again at 8 on Monday. And it does not get any better with each viewing!
But add all the small audiences together and NBC can shout out that over 12 million people have watched TH!
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The NBC boards are a little eccentric sometimes--talk about Rosicrucians, Masons, etc.--and the conversation can devolve into insult matches. But occasionally there's some good work. This poster (http://boards.nbc.com/bb/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=584240&page=4&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1) has some evidence that seems to bolster Chateau's call on Baltimore (I should have been googling "battle of baltimore" instead of "baltimore harbor" all along :groan:). Here's the historical map (http://www.multieducator.com/1812/Baltimore.GIF) and here's the mashup (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i168/t_hunter_2006/Treasure%20Hunters/treasure_map_composite.jpg). There's some areas around the right border that don't match, but overall it's very close.
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A sighting at the bottom of the page here (http://www.fodors.com/forums/threadselect.jsp?fid=1&tid=34822521), relayed by Enrico, that mentions the Geniuses in Paris asking for help: they had to find a "statue of someone who'd be considered a friend to Americans" (probably mini-me) and "a bridge trimmed in gold."
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As for the gold-trimmed bridge: Pont Alexandre III has some gilt statues (http://www.jodi.ws/europe/paris/paris_2.html), but a more likely candidate would be the Pont Mirabeau that Chateau already mentioned (source (http://www.mth.msu.edu/~winter/misc2/pages/pont_mirabeau1_JPG.htm)).
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Good spoiler Slowhatch !!
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A sighting at the bottom of the page here (http://www.fodors.com/forums/threadselect.jsp?fid=1&tid=34822521), relayed by Enrico, that mentions the Geniuses in Paris asking for help: they had to find a "statue of someone who'd be considered a friend to Americans" (probably mini-me) and "a bridge trimmed in gold."
The statue of course is the 1/4-scale Statue of Liberty which is located on the Siene River on the Pont de Grenelle. The most decorated bridge across the Siene is the Pont Alexandre III which is certainly trimmed in gold.
This certainly means that the Geniuses make it through the early stages of the game so one less team to consider for early elimination. That goes for the Browns and Hanlons who are spotted at Boston Light.
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The NBC boards are a little eccentric sometimes--talk about Rosicrucians, Masons, etc.--and the conversation can devolve into insult matches. But occasionally there's some good work. This poster (http://boards.nbc.com/bb/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=584240&page=4&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1) has some evidence that seems to bolster Chateau's call on Baltimore (I should have been googling "battle of baltimore" instead of "baltimore harbor" all along :groan:). Here's the historical map (http://www.multieducator.com/1812/Baltimore.GIF) and here's the mashup (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i168/t_hunter_2006/Treasure%20Hunters/treasure_map_composite.jpg). There's some areas around the right border that don't match, but overall it's very close.
That, indeed, does seem to match the early map of Baltimore Harbor and the location of Ft. McHenry. Could this be the spot to find the final key to the treasure? If so, it looks like either the Grad Students or Miss USA are still in the running when they are seen with the Star Spangled Banner and the other flags on display in Ft. McHenry.
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On a rainy weekend without much else to do, I reran some of the NBC promos for TH and unless the tape editors and TPTB are really screwing around with reality, the following teams all are seen "in the weeks ahead":
Air Force
Ex-CIA
Fogel Family
Geniuses
Brown Family
Wild Hanlons
Southies
Miss USA.
That leaves our charming GRADS as the team to be ELIMINATED TONIGHT!
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aw now you went and spoiled it for me Gman :lol3: !! I'll watch just to see the outcome !
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Ah, shucks, Puddin, but I thought this here were the place to place spoilers :'(
Then again, the way TPTB have been screwing around with this series, it may be that the Miss USA team is the one who bites the dust. Either way, the team with three girls is no mo. :tup:
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OK, so I don't know exactly what happened after 2:20AM since exactly then our local NBC affiliate lost all their power due to the storms still raging in this area.
Came back on again just as the Grad Girls were hobbling along hunting for the black rock in the dark. And the Brown Boys just lost out to the Hanlons. Now there are some real winners - take time out to drive some 60 miles out of their way because, gee wiz, they were hungary? So the Grad Girls are not eliminated, the Brown Family are.
BUT WAIT. Here come the promos of next week and lo and behold there are the Brown Family at Boston Light fighting with the wild Hanlons. So maybe they are not eliminated afterall and have been resurrected by TPTB.
My guess is that the Grad Girls decide that they just can't go on with Kristine injured and all and opt out and TPTB re-instate the Brown team to take their place. Anyway, we have the Browns and all the other teams except for the Grad Girls appearing somewhere in the promo.
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Just going through the promo:
- The Boston Light stuff, but also a few frames of an ossuary
- Credits: an associate challenge producer whose name should be familiar
- Another producer, who shares a name (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1597886/) with a team family; probably just an amazing coincidence :snicker:
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:jumpy:
Wow! I got the harbor right. Really, Slowhatch, way back you pointed out the Battle of Baltimore so that is what I Googled.
And I remember running across that very same old map that you just linked to. That's where the neurons clicked when they showed the the blank map. But it was so subconsious that I did not remember where I had seen the old map.
I was married in Baltimore but that's another story....
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The IMDB entry (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472981/fullcredits) has been updated, showing a couple of new cities: Washington D.C. and Philadelphia. Still no luck with Mansefield.
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Washington DC has been on the list for some time with shots of the National Mall, Washington Monument, and perhaps the Archieves or National History Museum (location of the actual Star Spangled Banner)
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The IMDB entry (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472981/fullcredits) has been updated, showing a couple of new cities: Washington D.C. and Philadelphia. Still no luck with Mansefield.
If you read under where it says "Art Department", you'll see three set dressers and one space art director with a location of Mansefield. (And there's another mention of the locale under "Other Crew". The final person listed--the sherpa extraordinare--also has Mansefield listed.)
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My guess is that the Grad Girls decide that they just can't go on with Kristine injured and all and opt out and TPTB re-instate the Brown team to take their place. Anyway, we have the Browns and all the other teams except for the Grad Girls appearing somewhere in the promo.
That's my guess too. NBC sure has a long way to go to learn about not spoiling.
I just watched all episodes so far last night, so I hadn't checked in here. I really wanted the Hanlons eliminated, they seem out of their league. But they're kind of entertaining...
This is a "good enough" substitute until Amazing Race returns.
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From the official website (http://www.nbc.com/Treasure_Hunters/about/):
It's out there somewhere, a treasure that will become the richest prize in television history, but its location is shrouded in mystery and guarded by a secret society with an ancient past.
(my italics)
Here's an abstract (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/timesdispatch/access/1068697271.html?dids=1068697271:1068697271&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Jun+26%2C+2006&author=BO+RAYNER&pub=Richmond+Times+-+Dispatch&edition=&startpage=F.14&desc=Brand+new+%2F+Richmond%27s+Genworth+Financial+has+spent+two+years+making+a+national+name+for+itself) from the Richmond TD about Genworth and its involvement. And the Genworth site (http://www.genworth.com/genworth/index.jsp) you can see a listing of their products. And for the record, it looks like Brad Rutter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Rutter) holds the current record for one-time and total payoffs ($2M/3.25M). I'll put it all together and make an early guess: the prize is $5 M in annuities.
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Some small progress: using this site (http://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/0egyptintro/1egypt/index.htm) (good descriptions of clothing and gear), I think I'll go ahead and spot the statue as being Nephthys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephthys) (photo source (http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/O0004648.html)). With TH, though, you always have to ask: does it mean anything, or is it just production nonsense? (back to work on the temple...)
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New York's Metropolitan Museum or London's British Museum both of which have fabulous Egyptian collections.
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I think this is a printing plate. It may be what the Geniuses are working with on that screw-style printing press.
Note the "Fort McHenry" that will be printed along with all the ships.
They should put their paper maps into the press, ink up the plate, and press the information onto their map.
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Just thinking outloud!
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Wow, nice resolution! The star-shaped recess must be the fort. What do you think this is? A key or an inscription, maybe?
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The thing about the star is that in order for something to print on the paper it has to be in the raised plane. So...maybe they will be finding a star-shaped artifact that they are supposed to stick in the recess and then make the print.
I think that scripty part is some map logo.
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Thanks. Maybe this is the map artifact.
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Google Maps says it would take 9 hours 45 minutes (http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=Norris,+MT+59745+%4045.532271,-111.694284&saddr=rapid+city,+south+dakota&f=li&hl=en&cid=&ie=UTF8&om=1) to drive from the B&B pit stop to the nearest town by the Lexington mine (Norris, Montana). So from a 2:20 am start they would arrive at about 12:05 pm.
30 min to get the next clue to Wood Bottom (http://www.mt.blm.gov/ldo/recreation/docs/woodbottom.html).
5 hours 9 min (http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=Loma,+MT+59460+%4047.954576,-110.499487&saddr=norris,+montana&f=li&cid=&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1) to drive to the river (Norris to Loma) It ain't no 150 miles.
Looks like they should have been able to get there by 5:44 pm. 5:30 pm ? :groan:
Fat Chance !
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The NBC site puts the lexington mine (there's several with that name) in Butte, and the photos do match the ones provided (http://montanafilm.com/mine1.htm) to Magical Elves prod. (history in the middle of the page here (http://www.deq.state.mt.us/AbandonedMines/linkdocs/techdocs/183tech.asp)--Montana Tech is now using it for their students (http://www.mtech.edu/cf_prototypes/admission/programs.php?Program_ID=BSMN)). The distances stay about the same, but you're right the times are off. If the first-place team got there at 5:30 and the Hanlons spent 11 hours at the mine, they must have used a transporter to get to Wood Bottom.
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I know I'm not helping much but :jam: to you guys!
Also check your listings, TH repeats on Sundays on BRAVO .
some details ( not sure whats already been posted so sorry in advance)
Treasure Hunters (episode #104)
Monday, Jul. 10, 2006 9:00 PM 1:00hr.
(episode #104)
The seven remaining teams uncover the mysteries of a historic route.
The seven remaining teams explore some of the secrets of the Underground Railroad.
FOLLOW THE DRINKING GOURD - To find the fourth of seven artifacts that will lead them to the treasure, the remaining seven teams must find hidden messages from the past to navigate the treacherous route of the Underground Railroad. .
July 17, 2006: Treasure Hunters
(episode #105)
Before making a difficult trek across a swamp, the teams at the back of the pack consider losing some extra baggage: their fellow teammates.
The teams at the back of the pack must decide whether to leave a teammate behind in order to finish the treacherous swamp section and avoid elimination.
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Therefore we know that the pesky preacher and his kinfolk will still be in the race on July 17. Dag gang I thought we would lose them earlier in Boston perhaps. No such luck.
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If the postings over at Sucks (http://p085.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm16.showMessageRange?topicID=4537.topic&start=641&stop=660) are accurate, Global TV (http://www.canada.com/globaltv/globalshows/treasure_hunters.html) in Canada messed up and aired ep 5 tonight; the Hanlons are out.
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I just read that Slowhatch :lol:, what the hell huh ?
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So I hear next week ...July 10th
:spoiler:
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* last warning
ToBeCont ..
It is a non-elimination round "to be continued".
Also, after crossing the
swamp, the host asked every team to eliminate one
member, so now there are two members in each team, just like The Amazing
Race.
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Good spoiler Slowhatch !!
Slowhatch? it was my spoiler! ;)
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Well if you were here sooner I would have said " Good Spoiler Enrico " :jumpy: so I'll correct myself and say Good spoiler Enrico !! About time you found us :hithere: :welcome: .
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From rabint6 over at Sucks regarding the episode that was shown in Canada on Monday
1. The reward is 30,000 dollars to the first team to retrieve the 4th clue during the swamp hunt
2. The Ex CIA's win it
3. The twist is this. After opening the 3rd of 4 chests in the swamp, the teams are told that they have to take a boat ride to the next one. But, the boat only holds 2 people. They must leave one person behind. The 2 team members on the boat must decide wether to send one person back to get their 3rd person or not. If they choose to go back, they fall 3 hours behind. If they choose not to go back.....the 3rd person is off the team permanently.
(not going to say what team does what)
4. Team Eliminated??? no one. the episode ends with a To Be Continued.......
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I'm confused now which comes where? Tease for July 10 says first new york city and then the swamp romp. Notice for July 17 says swamp romp. So which episode did Canada run this week ep 4 or ep 5? Are they one week ahead, or two weeks ahead?
Too many confusing questions.
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Forgot to add:
The longer this show runs, the more NBC screws up! No wonder the audience is down to 5.2 million and running last in its time period. (according to Nielson ratings published today!)rgot to add:
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lol Gman ! maybe its confusing because of the ToBeCont ....? ( I think NBC is confused too !)
THIS LISTING HAS BEEN DELETED BY THE NETWORK AND IS NO LONGER VALID.
Monday, July 3 2006
TREASURE HUNTERS --(9:00PM-10:00PM) --(TV-PG L)
"Episode No.104"
FOLLOW THE DRINKING GOURD - To find the fourth of seven artifacts that will lead them to the treasure, the remaining seven teams must find hidden messages from the past to navigate the treacherous route of the Underground Railroad.
Monday, July 10 2006
TREASURE HUNTERS --(9:00PM-10:00PM) --(TV-PG L)
"Episode No.104"
FOLLOW THE DRINKING GOURD - To find the fourth of seven artifacts that will lead them to the treasure, the remaining seven teams must find hidden messages from the past to navigate the treacherous route of the Underground Railroad.
Monday, July 17 2006
TREASURE HUNTERS --(9:00PM-10:00PM) --(TV-PG L)
"Episode No.105"
The teams at the back of the pack must decide whether to leave a teammate behind in order to finish the treacherous swamp section and avoid elimination
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If anybody who's gotten a sneak peek at ep 5 can confirm:
I was thinking about the "mansefield" entry at IMDB and thinking maybe it was misspelled. There's a Mansfield Plantation (http://www.mansfieldplantation.com/photo_map.html) in Georgetown, SC, complete with its own swamp, boat and foot trails, some matching fencing (see below--I know, it's not much) and a film-friendly staff.
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There's a Mansfield Plantation in Georgetown, SC
Spoiling by accident: right city, wrong plantation :lol:. So "mansefield" is still out there.
There's no ep 5 thread, so let me throw in a few nit-picks here: first, as an NBC poster pointed out, Whitman never joined the army (he worked in D.C. as a nurse); second, the author here (http://ugrrquilt.hartcottagequilts.com/) (well-documented but long article) makes a strong case that the "crypto-quilt" business started in the 1980s, not the 1850s.
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They showed them going to a place called Beneventum Plantation (http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/MapServer?f_name=Beneventum+Plantation&f_state=SC&f_latlong=332646N0791548W&f_ht=.015625&server=TIGER) Photo Ref. (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/displayPhoto.pl?path=/pnp/habshaer/sc/sc0500/sc0522/photos&topImages=150020pr.jpg&topLinks=150020pv.jpg,150020pu.tif&title=1.%20%20GENERAL%20VIEW;%20NORTH%20(FRONT)%20ELEVATION.%20House%20is%20composed%20of%20ca.%201746%20and%20ca.%201850%20sections%20%3cbr%3eHABS%20SC,22-GEOTO.V,6-1&displayProfile=0)
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Not much suspense - although NBC sure wants us to think there is - on whether the Genuses come back for their third member. We see all three of them again in the Star Spangled Museum in Baltimore and in Paris.
We also know that the Smoothies get to London, and that the MissUSA trio get to what looks like the catacombs in Paris. And the Airforce also get to the Baltimore location.
So that leaves the Fighting Fogels, the ex-CIA, and the Browns to hit the dust next.
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( the dates conflict :lol: )
TV Guide :
July 25, 2006: Treasure Hunters
Episode Detail: Treasure Hunters
The six remaining teams travel abroad to unravel the mystery of the “man behind the mask,” leading them to the fifth of seven artifacts. Laird Macintosh hosts.
Futon Critic:
Monday, July 24 2006
TREASURE HUNTERS --(9:00PM-10:00PM) --(TV-PG L)
"Episode No.106"
To find the fifth of seven artifacts, the remaining six teams must travel abroad to uncover the secret of the man behind the mask. Laird Macintosh ("Ultimate Playground") hosts this fast-paced adventure/mystery reality series where multi-player teams try to stay one step ahead of each other as they are mentally and physically challenged in their quest for a promised hidden treasure.
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Must be a misprint on the date: Monday would be July 24. So Six Teams finally get to travel to Europe. That means that the Browns have sunk in the swamp. Fogels should be the next to go.
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Monday, July 31 2006
TREASURE HUNTERS --(9:00PM-10:00PM) --(TV-PG L)
"Episode No.107"
As the hunt continues abroad, the remaining five teams must uncover messages protected by an ancient secret society that bound America's founding fathers
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I don't know what that could be about ???, other than the Masons; a few of the FF were Masons, but most were not. Anyway, here's a Pigpen (http://www.simonsingh.net/The_Black_Chamber/pigpenWithMenu.html) cipher generator.
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The NBC people are starting to get interested in spoilers (check the Future Episodes (http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/index.php?s=8902ed78bbeeecf0666497b1ccb52242&showtopic=629601) thread) and they've already scored one hit: the Hall of Fame for Great Americans (http://www.bcc.cuny.edu/HallOfFame/?page=PhotoGallery) in the Bronx.
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That's not so new, we had that location pegged some time ago.
Are we talking about Dumas' "The Man in the Iron Mask"? that would take us to France no doubt.
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The busted nose on the artifact makes me think of Bonaparte (here (http://libweb.princeton.edu/libraries/firestone/rbsc/aids/C0770/ex597.jpg) and here (http://www.artnet.com/artwork/424163528/curtis-anderson-limen-porcelain-death-mask-of-napolean-bonaparte.html)).
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Whoever it is, the Fogals are examining the mask on a pedestal (probably in the park or median discussed on page 1).
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As this page (http://www.parisiana.com/article.php3?id_article=42) describes, the "Avenue de Montsouris" is a long tunnel in the catacombs that leads to the ossuary.
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Ugh. They're saying over at NBC it's Lafayette, and they may be right. Below is a cap from next week and a picture (source (http://xenophongroup.com/mcjoynt/lafatalbert.htm)) of a Lafayette statue near the Place d'Alma. Also...the genius spoiler about finding a statue of someone who "would be considered a friend to Americans" may have to be reconsidered.
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Think they may go to Washington DC first and find the medallion that will lead them to Dover Castle and the White Cliffs of Dover. In Paris they will be looking in the Catacombs easily reached by Metro at the Denfert-Rochereau stop on either the Red, Blue or Green line in Montparnasse. Looks like they take a car ferry either to or from Dover. In England someone else is driving at night (note right hand wheel).
So does all this happen in one ep? Do they go to New York first and the Hall of Fame in the Bronx then across the pond to England?
In any case, if they go to Europe for several eps, then we know that the Air Force, the Southies, and the Geniuses will be in the final three since we see the Geniuses at the Star Spangled House or Ft. McHenry in Baltimore and the Air Force and Southies at the Hall of Fame in New York. That means we will lose the Fighting, Screeming Fogels, and the beautiful ones somewhere in Europe.
How does a death mask of Bonepart jive with a map of Baltimore Harbor? The seven artifacts are supposed to lead you to the key to where the treasure is hidden. Maybe it really is a death mask of the admiral who led the attach on Baltimore or perhaps Francis Scott Key who wrote the poem Star Spangled Banner.
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So they did visit Mansfield after all ;D. The NBC page (http://www.nbc.com/Treasure_Hunters/i-map/) lists the slave chapel at Mansfield and this archival photo (source (http://www.gwu.edu/~folklife/bighouse/images/xxii2.jpg)) matches the cap of the "safe house."
Of all the destinations I've seen on reality tv, a "GPS located dirt pile" is unique. :lol3:
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:hoot: :gj: Slowhatch !
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Baker (http://www.fodors.com/forums/threadselect.jsp?screen_name=baker&fid=1) from the Fodor board expands on the original Genius sighting:
You're right about this show looking too staged rather than "real". When we got filmed in Paris helping the Genius team it wasn't ever stopped so we could do another cut but cameras and mikes were everywhere. And, yes, we did help them...they asked if I knew where they were because they couldn't find this spot on the map; it was Place de la Concorde. They also had their map upside down which didn't help. Then they needed a bridge with lots of gold on it so I suggested it was the Pont Alexandre and pointed it out through the trees. As to a statue of "someone who could be called a friend to Americans" I didn't know specifically but I did tell them there were a few statues near the Pont Alexandre. it turned out to be one of Lafayette presented to France by the schoolchildren of America. we had walked along behind to see if they did indeed find the next clue; the filming there was kind of fake as they had the Geniuses approach several times pointing and saying, "There it is!". They also had them break open some object to find the clue; maybe it didn't film properly because they repeated that also. Then they filmed them running across the bridge as they went on.
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The folks at NBC are busy. They've called the church as St. Bartholomew (http://www.greatstbarts.com/) in London and I think they're right. Compare the background object in the cap with the church pipe organ (source (http://community.webshots.com/photo/192980415/1207489638059913952YoprYs)).
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It's not a spoiler, but since there's no July 10 thread I'll throw it in here. At the Fogal gallery (http://teamfogal.com/html/galleryep4.shtml) you can see a disk from Westport Rivers (http://www.westportrivers.com/visit-directions.htm) winery with the caption "A clue to the winery leading to the Atlantic Tunnel." ??? I couldn't remember anything like that so I went through the opening sequence frame-by-frame and I caught team MissUSA clutching a disk as she picks up the Whitman paper. The whole Westport task must have been edited out.
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Monday, August 7 2006
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"Episode No108"
The remaining four teams must overcome infighting to uncover the secrets of an infamous war that protects the code to a mysterious artifact Laird Macintosh ("Ultimate Playground") hosts this fast-paced adventure/mystery reality series where multi-player teams try to stay one step ahead of each other as they are mentally and physically challenged in their quest for a promised hidden treasure
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Air Force can be seen on the Alex 3 bridge (cap and photo source (http://community.webshots.com/photo/315414041/1316066427068002339vFcUYm)). The bridge does have gold trim but it also adjoins the Lafayette statue, so it's hard to say if the bridge is directly involved.
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The Fogals are gone - no more screaming mimies.
If the previews from week one still hold, then the Dixie Chicks, I mean the Miss USA's, will be goners next week. We have seen the Air Force, the ex-CIA, and Southies at the New York Hall of Fame and the Geniuses at either Ft. McHenry or the Star Spangled House in Baltimore.
What advantage does the first place team have over the others? Just more sleep if anything. They all ended up hours and hours apart in South Carolina, but all six teams were together the next day on the flight to Paris.
Note that someone must always move their luggage for them; we see the teams pulling their large cases behind them when the leave the B & B but never again do we see them with it.
If the finale is a "live" show, will our host still only be on the screen of a mororola cell phone?
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Free money! :snicker:
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If the finale is a "live" show, will our host still only be on the screen of a mororola cell phone?
:lol3: your funny Gman ! and now with Slowhatch's creditcard info maybe we can all go on the trip with out in October :jumpy: ?
I think this is new today ?
Monday, August 7 2006
TREASURE HUNTERS --(9:00PM-10:00PM) --(TV-PG L)
"Episode No108"
The remaining four teams must overcome infighting to uncover the secrets of an infamous war that protects the code to a mysterious artifact Laird Macintosh ("Ultimate Playground") hosts this fast-paced adventure/mystery reality series where multi-player teams try to stay one step ahead of each other as they are mentally and physically challenged in their quest for a promised hidden treasure
TVGuide
Bickering becomes a problem as the four remaining teams attempt to figure out clues pertaining to an “infamous” war.
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Infamous War?
We entered World War II after A Day of Infamy - FDR's description of the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941.
Or was the War of 1812 considered the "infamous war"?
Dawg Gone, we get rid of the bickering Fogals, but the bickering goes on and on!
Puddin: just checked and there still are a few cabins on the River Adagio left to be had!!
Forgot to mention that the Nielson rating continues to drop! Now down to 4.6 million and fourth place amongst four networks!
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I don't quite know what to make of the metro sequences Mon. night. Obviously some tasks were edited out--the cap below from the NBC site lists Picpus and Pere Lachaise cemeteries--both near the Place de la Nation stop (the routes can be checked out on the interactive map here (http://www.ratp.info/orienter/cv/cv_en/carteparis.php)) the "lost" teams can be seen entering (second cap). But the lost teams got good advice (third cap): the RER B line goes straight from the airport to the Denfert-Rocherau stop. To further confuse matters, we can see signs for Chatelet les Halles (a nexus) and Pere Lechaise (on line 3).
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On the same subject, why couldn't the teams use Ask.com? Metro maps are easy to find; I would have known my route before I even boarded the plane in Savannah. And finding a Dover map (http://johnsmilitaryhistory.com/dover.html), complete with arrow, took me less than a minute.
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I detect a real lack of interest in this poor excuse of a "reality" show.
Nielson ratings for the premiere support this view.
Back to where the action is on TAR10. Now there we have some real action.
You got that right Gman....I watched 2 episodes, well really 1 1/2 because it was SOOOO boring!!! After the first episode I thought I'd give it a second chance but couldn't make it through the rest. So haven't a clue as to what is going on. I just can't wait til TAR starts.
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I've got to say some of the people over at NBC put out impressive work. T Hunter has identified the Via ferrata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_ferrata) (climbing for non-climbers) course as being in Peille (http://www.peille.fr/) in southern France. Compare the cave (lower-right) in the two caps with the album photo (source (http://ljoffart.free.fr/photos/albums/ViaPeilleApr03/imagepages/image24.htm)). The street scenes and the statue might be in the same village. The mansion? probably not.
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The good news: the NBC folks have found the mansion. The Chateau d'Omonville (http://www.amorc.cz/images/France/P6171697.JPG) is in a small village south of Rouen (France has its own version of GE, called GeoPortail (http://www.geoportail.fr/), that I've been wanting to try--the space-cap is below). They've even got the hallway with Nephthys (http://www.amorc.cz/images/France/P6171659.JPG). The bad news: it's Rosicrucian. Sorry for the soapbox, but if the show insists that the Founding Fathers were "bound" by these goofballs then it's a slap in the face to the FF and a blow to the credibility of the show. I'll just have to wait and see how it turns out.
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Thanks for the posts, Slowhatch. I couldn't figure out from the previews where the mountains were.
When I hear South of France in this context, I'm thinking of some kind of Knights of Templar or Freemason connection.
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TREASURE HUNTERS --(9:00PM-10:00PM) --(TV-PG L)
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"Episode No.109"
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The remaining three teams race to find the seventh and final artifact that reveals the key to the treasure. Laird Macintosh ("Ultimate Playground") hosts this fast-paced adventure/mystery reality series where multi-player teams try to stay one step ahead of each other as they are mentally and physically challenged in their quest for a promised hidden treasure.
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I'm starting to sound like a scribe for NBC, but I don't mind: credit where credit is due, and their diligence is commendable. Using only a few markers, they have identified the cap below as being the statue of Admiral Suffren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Andr%C3%A9_de_Suffren_de_Saint_Tropez) on the waterfront at St. Tropez (source (http://www.nrj-saint-tropez.com/saint-tropez/images/suffren_tropez/Bailli.jpg)). If we assume the admiral figures somehow in the storyline, that leaves a bit of a puzzle. He only played a small, tangential part in the (U.S.) Revolutionary War. He also fought some battles with the Barbary pirates, which might bring Jefferson back into the picture. And he was also part of the Knights Hospitaller (Order of Malta),but...so was a lot of the French navy leadership, it seems.
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Let's see, ep 9 would be on August 14; so that means the great, LIVE Finale will be on August 21. Can't come soon enough.
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He also fought some battles with the Barbary pirates, which might bring Jefferson back into the picture.
Good find, Slowhatch. I've always thought that the hunt has something to do with T.J. after Mt. Rushmore, Lewis & Clark, Paris, etc. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Can't come soon enough.
Oh, come on, G'man. It could be worse. You could be staying up all night long with Puddin taking screen captures of Big Bore All Stars :snicker:
I just hope she doesn't turn into a zombie. We need her this fall.
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Oh, come on, G'man. It could be worse. You could be staying up all night long with Puddin taking screen captures of Big Bore All Stars
I just hope she doesn't turn into a zombie. We need her this fall.
:lol: luckily we have TAR10 just about nailed :woohoo:
and incase I didn't say it your an all around awesome detective Slowhatch :jam:
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Can't come soon enough.
Oh, come on, G'man. It could be worse. You could be staying up all night long with Puddin taking screen captures of Big Bore All Stars :snicker:
I just hope she doesn't turn into a zombie. We need her this fall.
If I were staying up all night with Puddin, I sure as heck would not be watching BB! :hearts: :hrt:
If we end up at Ft. McHenry in Baltimore, what is TJ connection?
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ohhh Gman :-[ :kuss: , your such a naughty boy ..I like .. :flirt:
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:love2: gulp.
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:lol: thanks for putting a HUGE smile on my face Gman :hearts:
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Any time, Luv :hrt:
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Maybe we should get our own room Gman ;) ?
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i hear motel6 is preety cheap ;)
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If we end up at Ft. McHenry in Baltimore, what is TJ connection?
None that I can think of. He had nothing to do with the Minuteman and some other clues, but he appears to be connected to several other events.
ep 9 would be on August 14; so that means the great, LIVE Finale will be on August 21.
Sorry to hear that. I was hoping there was still time for me to get to actually know the contestants. With the Fogals out, I can only tell the Geniuses apart without screen captions.
Oh well, I can't say maybe next time because there will be no next time.
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i hear motel6 is preety cheap ;)
Cheap? Not for Puddin; for her nothing but the best. So its puttin on the Ritz with Puddin. :jumpy: :kuss:
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:jumpy: You'll love PUDDIN on a RITZ GMAN !! :woohoo:
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Here is another one. But the number looks very suspicious.
But we know who's it is!
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Oh Looky Gman ! More credit cards for the Ritz !!
I watched TH tonight , loved seeing the Eiffle Tower .. gave me goosebumps thinking about TAR10 being at the very same spot..again !!
not much info here but fwiw
Monday, August 14 2006
TREASURE HUNTERS --(9:00PM-10:00PM) --(TV-PG L)
"Episode No.109"
The remaining three teams race to find the seventh and final artifact that reveals the key to the treasure.
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It's often used as a "sample card" number for online and video. Google 4000 1234 5678 9010 and you'll see what I mean. Gman will have to pay out-of-pocket, I guess. :'(
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It's often used as a "sample card" number for online and video. Google 4000 1234 5678 9010 and you'll see what I mean. Gman will have to pay out-of-pocket, I guess. :'(
I'm worth it Gman :jumpy:
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You betcha! And I have AMEX with unlimited cieling!!!!!!!
Last night, what a mish mash (and I don't mean with Puddin!!!)
We left teams at St. Barts in London; next thing we see is team at Eastwell Manor in Kent.
Next thing we see is teams in Nice, France
Then suddenly they are in Peille, France
Then Miss USA drives 150 miles to St. Tropez finds the clue and drives back to Peille (a four hour task at least) and they still are in second place. That mountain climb took over four hours???
La Turbie is next
Then we are in Paris!!
How original can they get, spot a landmark from the SECOND deck of the Eiffle Tower??
Off to Normandy, but who cares that it takes two hours to drive there, the girls are still stuck at the Statue of Liberty.
Anyone notice that when they are inside the chateau d'Omonville in the middle of the night that sunlight is streaming in some of the windows (if they are floodlights they must be mounted pretty high to get that angle to shine on the floor). So we have some recreation here?
Just before the commercial break the Southies moan that they are completely lost, but in the first shot after the break they and the ex-CIA are arriving together at the Chateau.
Back to Puddin;oh well can't say much since this is a family-friendly site. :hrt:
Who goes next? Not the Geniuses since we see them in Baltimore. My guess is that the Southies never do find their way off that ledge in New York.
Heck, lets talk more about that wild night at the Ritz - much more interesting!!! :hearts: :jumpy:
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puddin and gman sitting at the ritz... :hrt: :lol3:
darn, i hope you're wrong about the southie boys. they are the only 3 reasons i'm still watching.
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If I'm at the Ritz, I won't be just sitting!! :kuss:
Just a guess about the Southies; who knows it could be the ex-CIA or even the Air Force, but I think that the Geniuses are safe this week.
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can we change the title of this thread puddin and g-man night at the ritz??? :angel:
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:lol: ^^ Gman loves puddin :woohoo:
cinniiiiiiiiiiii :hearts:
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:lol: ^^ Gman loves puddin :woohoo:
cinniiiiiiiiiiii :hearts:
puddin and gman sitting in a tree looving first food then comes beer then comes journy around the globe
(im not drunk im just tired and should be in bed right now)
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:lol: ^^ Gman loves puddin :woohoo:
cinniiiiiiiiiiii :hearts:
puddin and gman sitting in a tree looving first food then comes beer then comes journy around the globe
:-[ :-[ :-[ :woohoo:
By the way, in case anyone is interested, TH dropped again down to 4.4 million. Even BB does better with a 7.0 :umn:
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wouldn't it be karma if the genius that they debated leaving behind (sam i think?) was the one to figure out the final puzzle and win them the prize?
puddin :jumpy:
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Before the series started, there were some articles (http://www.emainc.org/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=277&Itemid=79) and press releases that mentioned hunters using a Visa "security feature" (presumably the CVV2 (http://www.bmigaming.com/cvv2.htm)) to solve a puzzle. Haven't seen it yet. The cryptex (no such critter in real life, btw; the cryptex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptex) is an invention of author Dan Brown) seen on the show looks like it's just alphabet rings--no numbers.
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Looks like the teams are headed back to New York. So I just booked us (you know who and I) a suite in the Waldorf Towers. Just want to be on the top of :woohoo: things, you know?
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Looks like the teams are headed back to New York. So I just booked us (you know who and I) a suite in the Waldorf Towers. Just want to be on the top of :woohoo: things, you know?
:wine: :monroe: I better get packing !! :hyper: :ythat:
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The odds over at Bodog.
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NBC must have written TH off :'( All day today not a single promo for TH tomorrow night; all the promos during NASCAR Brickyard 400 and Sunday Night Football were for shows starting in September except a few for Last Comic Standing this Tuesday. Oh hum, I guess even the suits at NBC are tired of this sorry mess of a show. (:;)
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the Race was GREAT though :jumpy:
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But my man DJ didn't do too well. Congrats to Jimmy Johnson for running a good race.
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Dag gpne it; we would have had a great time at the Waldorf :kuss: if it hadn't been for all those noisy people down the hall :jam:- who let all that riff-raff in anyway? ???
Strange how the teams have their luggage just reappear from no where. A bunch of flunkies kept busy, I guess.
Off to my home town! :waves:
P.S. They must have been here but nobody was the wiser, or nobody cared which is more likely.
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Is there anyone there?
Does anyopne care?
NBC doesn't. Not a single promo for TH over the weekend. Many, many for "America Has Talent" Ugh. Double Ugh :groan:
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Is there anyone there?
Does anyopne care?
NBC doesn't. Not a single promo for TH over the weekend. Many, many for "America Has Talent" Ugh. Double Ugh :groan:
you know no one is there when nbc stopped the reruns on bravo
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BURBANK – August 14, 2006 – This summer, ten teams searched the globe on a wild ride to find a hidden treasure. For the final three teams, Air Force, Geniuses and the Southie Boys, their hunt will finally reach its thrilling conclusion as one team unlocks the final puzzle, and the worth of the treasure will be revealed live from Washington, D.C. on Monday, August 21 from 9-10 p.m. on NBC.
All 30 cast members will be reunited for the first time since they began their hunt, with Laird Macintosh hosting the finale.
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"Searched the globe?"
Pretty small world, or does NBC cosnsider England, France and the USofA (well part of it) as the world?
Gosh, I can't wait :knuckles: all 30 team members clogging up the streets of my home town next Monday!! Woopie Doo! :jumpy:
And Laird "hosting the finale" - yeah, via Motorola cell phone :woohoo:
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:waves: Hi everybody, frequent reader but seldom poster here. I haven't been on the boards much since the Survivor/AR finalies and thought I'd stop in to see if you all were following Treasure Hunters. I seem to be in a minority. I loved both the TV and online game. I've checked out the TH boards at NBC the past couple months and 5 of the 10, $10,000 online game winners that will compete for $100,000 were from the NBC board. Had hoped to find a couple more of the winners from this site. Hope you all have had a great summer and look forward to reading the boards again for S/AR.
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hi s1 :waves:
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At last, we're getting down to final nitty-gritty :jumpy:
But, there is always a BUT :lol3:
And the show is so full of questionable events :umn:
So, tomorrow night at nine we will have the finale LIVE from the National Building Museum in Washington, DC. Building is closed to the public at 5:00PM.
BUT, there is that word again, we last saw the three final teams at the Lee works in Baltimore and this was on tape with the title "to be continued". So do we actuallly start off LIVE in the vault of the Lee works? Or do we actually start on tape which was recorded last September? If live, lots of luck since it would take over an hour to drive from Baltimore Harbour to Washington DC.
And if last week were any indication, it would take much more than an hour to drive the 37 miles. Last week we started off at the B&B in Philadelphia, PA and we were told that it was "the morning of the final day". Now morning could be anytime before noon. Then we have them drive the 137 miles to the Library of Congress in Washington DC. This would take at best 2.5 hours. But we see them arrive at the Library after it closes at 9:00PM and well into the night. So leaving at noon it takes the three teams about nine hours to get to the Library?? What did they do travel by the way of New York?
Anyway before they leave the teams are told by our mystery host that "tonight one of you will find the treasure". Yeah, sure. So by the saying "tonight" TPTB reallly mean "tomorrow"
I'm waiting with bated breath to see how they can resume the quest for the final key LIVE in Baltimore and still be LIVE in Washington DC at nine PM. ???
Do they recreate the vault at the Lee factory in the set in The National Building Museum a la Survivor? Watch closely to see if all the clothing and beards and haircuts match from 10 months ago. B:) B:) B:)
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Here is what I think will happen tomorrow night. I think the live finale will be similar to the Survivor live finale with all the eliminated teams brought back. I think the end game is already in the can, edited for our veiwing pleasure. The 10 online game winners will be shown competing for the $100,000. This is already taped also since they flew the 10 to DC about a week ago :tup: Just my opinion though :js: Ask me in 24 hrs. and I'll have a better idea ;)
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The survivor-style reunion sounds right. And the egyptian-chamber end game, as you said, is already in the can. The interesting part will be the hunt by the online contestants. If it's really live, as the NBC page (http://www.nbc.com/Treasure_Hunters/teams/) claims, I'd like to see them pull it off: live tv is always a gamble.
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If I remember correctly, the first several Survivor finales, were recreated with the same set with the same two finalists and jury waiting for the final count to be made so that it was not until you heard the audience screem did the cameras pull back to show that the set had been recreated exactly as seen several months before. But it became patently obvious that this couldn't happen so it was changed so that Jeff was seen going off with the ballots and the audience was told that they would be counted live in the studio in four or five months time.
So do we have the same kind of fiction here which Survivor did away with year ago?
Or do we have another case of "live on tape" tonight? Which seems more practical and workable than starting "live" in Baltimore and finishing "live" in Washington DC.
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WOW - it was live. Yeah, for a total of 15 minutes and 41 seconds! All of the action for both the Treasrure Hunters and the home folk were on tape.
And really 3 million dollars? Read the fine print: "The 3 million dollars is payable as an annuity of monthly payments over 25 YEARS! That's right no one million in hand now, but rather only $3,333 a month for the next 25 years!!! Not bad but not a million bucks for each player in hand now.
Or you could take the present cash value which is usually 58% of the total, or in this case $580,000 for each player, which after taxes would be abcout $340,000. Not bad, but not a million bucks in hand.
Was that a collective sigh of relief I heard echoing through the night? This dog of a show was finally put to rest. Never to be seen again.
Now we can concentrate on the real reality show - the Amazing Race.
Be sure to root for the favorite to win a fourth EMMY this coming Sunday on the channel that brought this lack luster excuse of a show.
And so, a good good night to one and all. See you next on the TAR board.
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I watched .. not bad 3 mill !! Congrats to the Genius's !! :cheer:
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I was right about the annuities (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,8536.msg128226.html#msg128226) it seems, but I overestimated the amount. The finale (a post about the rehearsals here (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3138856&st=1815&p=5884920&#entry5884920)) was OK, but not great: I was a little disappointed because the last few weeks it seemed the producers and editors were finally getting their act together.
And the show in general? It surpassed TAR in a couple of areas (photography and clues, for example) but trailed in most others. It showed promise but I don't think it will be renewed. NBC has brought back other Magical Elves productions from dormancy (last comic standing), but travel-adventure shows like TAR and TH are expensive to produce, so I'm doubtful.
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One last comment before it all gets archived. The "Key Industries" plant was bugging me because it didn't match the silo stack mentioned by most posters--Lehigh Cement (right across the harbor from Fort Mchenry; in the picture here (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=90227), you can even see the fort flag lower-left). The actual spot turned out to be a little east of Lehigh (here (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=qj920g8mm952&style=o&lvl=1&scene=3663179)).
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