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Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on December 09, 2015, 03:46:17 AM

**This is UNSPOILED and LIVE analysis for The Amazing Race 28**

If you're unaware of Edgic, basically via Redmond:

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Some time long ago, on a forum far far away, an eager Survivor fan decided to apply media theory and statistical analysis to his favorite TV show to try and determine who the winner of the season was based on the editing. There are all sorts of different Survivor fans – from casuals, to superfans, to newbie fans. But there is a special selection of the Survivor nerddom that are known as the Edgic community, and each season they dedicate their time to thoroughly analyzing the individual edit of each player.

Edgic works on three components, Rating, Tone, and Visibility to give out an Edgic, and this goes along for the season. (Click the images to enlarge)

(http://i.imgur.com/z0OzwSK.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/1KR3pNT.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/t8F2Lxi.png)

The whole point of this thread is to see if modern TAR has editing conventions that may lead us to predict the winner.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic
Post by: gamerfan09 on December 09, 2015, 03:48:33 AM

Potential Trends:
Disclaimer: This is all info gleamed from the Friday era of The Amazing Race AKA Seasons 25 and up.

*There may be a team that screams "Winner Contender" on the first leg or early on in the Race with a strong CP edit that eventually crumble into obscurity and loses.

Examples:
-Tim & Te Jay (Started fading away from Episode Four)
-Jelani & Jenny (They were winning until Thailand 2 hit and then from then on they would be just pretty MOR or MORN until their eventual 3rd place)
-Tanner & Josh (Strong edit until they pretty much just became background characters at times from Episode Five and up)

*There may also be a strong contender "shock boot". (Think of this as the surprising merge boot Survivor loves to do a lot.)

Examples:
-Kym & Alli
-Jeff & Jackie
-Denise & James-Earl

*There are also some teams who start out alright and emerge as strong contenders who eventually lose.

Examples:
-Misti & Jim
-Hayley & Blair (From Episode Six and up, they randomly became top contenders)
-Tiffany & Krista (Emerged once the second Africa leg hit.)

*I'm unsure about the rest... but I seem to notice that TAR loves to give generally MOR winners with a few CPs that are Positively Toned. They can even be OTT a bit for a few episodes, but not too much (the reason why Justin and Diana were never winner contenders from the start).

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic
Post by: gamerfan09 on December 09, 2015, 03:50:09 AM

The Process:

While watching, I take note of several things.

These are:
*Confessional Count
*First-Person Screentime
*Second-Person Screentime
*Third-Person Screentime

Confessional Counts are important because unlike most big RTV shows, TAR leans more on voiceovers as well as teams doing things. A team with a lot of confessionals fully explaining their decisions and fleshing their story arc out on an episode is due a CP edit. For Example, TAR26 Episode 3 only has 24 confessionals, and that even includes the voiceovers. Mike/Rochelle had NINE of these, and thus, they received a CP edit in addition to their in-race commentary and them having a clear story-arc for that episode.

Screentime is essentially, how much time we see a team. (can also be defined by number of cuts to teams)

I define screentime as follows.
First-Person Screentime: How much a team is full front and centre with conversation.
Second-Person Screentime: How a team is talked about by another team followed by a quick-cut of them + A team being shown doing basic stuff without any conversation from them (running, doing a task, panting, etc.)
Third-Person Screentime: How much a team can be seen in the foreground of another team's establishing shot.

I combine all of the screentime (in cuts) and divide it by the teams remaining to get an average Screentime score for the leg.

For instance, Episode Three of The Amazing Race 26 has a total of 296 cuts, and that divided by 9 (the number of teams who raced in the leg) would result in at least a 33 average. Every team this leg satisfies the average, hence, no UTR edits for anyone, throwing everyone on at least a MOR3 rating.

The teams with multiple confessionals throughout the leg and game-talk would boost them from MOR to CP, and etc. It is also very important to note that TAR loves to use Toning more than the other big CBS Reality shows.

Once I'm done with my calculations, I assign Edgic Tones and Score.

How do I assign?:

I follow Survivor logic mixed with TAR logic. What's that? Well, Survivor likes to reward CP winners. TAR usually loves a combination of CP/MOR/Positively-Toned teams. (Once again, I am only analysing from TAR25 onwards, so earlier seasons are out the window... for now.)

For example, Amy & Maya were UTR early on, but they were edited positively (their only one blowup in the Race even got fully edited out). They would then ride on UTR and MORP edits before finally getting a few CPP edits until they made it to the end. Same with Kelsey & Joey.

I determine contenders based on how Survivor Edgic determines them, in the sense that the teams with a string of CP-MOR-Positively Toned edits each leg have better chances of winning.

If you also want more explanation on editing:
http://insidesurvivor.com/2015/09/survivor-edgic-an-introduction/

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic
Post by: bottle on December 09, 2015, 03:57:30 AM

Big fan of Redmond's edgic looking forward to more gamer  :trampb:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic
Post by: Marionete on December 09, 2015, 05:14:44 PM

It's really cool that you've decided to do this, but I'm also jealous of the amount of time you have on your hands :lol: I hadn't heard of edgic (it's derived from edit + logic btw, I don't think that was mentioned here) before Redmond started making his own for the current Survivor season. And I'm very interested & a big fan now. :cheer:

previous seasons info removed by host request

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic
Post by: Reilly Queens on December 11, 2015, 08:33:23 PM

If this thread doesn't get moved to spoilers(which it inevitably will due to people not understanding that winner spec =/= info from filming spoilers) I would make a chart, even if I am trudging through Cambodia.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic
Post by: ovalorange on January 13, 2016, 03:48:46 AM

Quote from: gamerfan09 on December 15, 2015, 01:58:24 AM

I'm posting full 25-27 edgic soon, but there's one trend I DEFINITELY noticed in modern TAR.

There will always be a team that screams "Winner Contender" on the first leg with a strong CP edit and will eventually crumble into obscurity and lose.

Examples:
-Tim & Te Jay (Started fading away from Leg 4)
-Jelani & Jenny (They were winning until Thailand 2 hit and then from then on they would be just pretty MOR or MORN tbh)
-Tanner & Josh (Strong edit until they pretty much just became background at times from Africa 2 onwards)

There will also be a strong contender "shock boot".

Examples:
-Kym & Alli (Self-Explanatory)
-Jeff & Jackie (IDK for me they seemed like they were winning until their shock boot)
-Denise & James-Earl (They had unusually strong CP edits until their boot which was not shock at all bc of crap leg design)

There are also some teams who start out alright and end up being strong contenders who eventually lose.

Examples:
-Misti & Jim (I was sure they were winning until they suddenly went with a streak of more toned edits, but they were still my number one contender heading into the finale.)
-Hayley & Blair (They started getting a semblance of a winning edit from Monaco onwards IMO.)
-Tiffany & Krista (Self-explanatory lol.)

Is this not more to do with their placements and not their edits? Obviously a shock boot can only be portrayed as such if a team has actually done well ranking wise, therefore eliminated before their time.

This is an interesting concept gamerfan09, but I am not sure the Survivor edgic rules really apply to The Amazing Race. Firstly, TAR has two people per team as oppose to individual players in Survivor. How do you accommodate for drastic tone differences between team members in an episode? There have clearly been some major differences in team members visibility and personalities throughout the seasons (Tim/Marie and Justin/Diana spring to mind). It is not easy to model both members as a whole with such edgic rules.

Further, just because you're a boring, useless team or a villainous, rude team does not mean you cannot win TAR. A Survivor winner is rewarded by the jury for playing the best game. In TAR, the team who runs the final leg the best will win. It is more unlikely for a castaway to win the game if he is not looked upon well by his jury members. It is just as likely for a villainous or boring team to win the race as oppose to anyone else - they just need to win the final leg. I am not sure how one can as easily pinpoint a TAR winner using such a method.

Please note I am not saying looking at the editing is useless, in fact, I believe such devices can be used to deduce the winners ahead of the finale airing. However, I do think that such a process is much more complex than the standard Survivor edgic framework. Perhaps you may need to consider further aspects which are not explored in the Survivor edgic rules.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic
Post by: WinTar on January 13, 2016, 05:26:24 AM

edgic can be applied to TAR :-) thx for your insight anyways oval

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic
Post by: Marionete on January 13, 2016, 05:47:59 AM

I agree with oval on some points.
I think that overall Edgic has no use if it's done without much analysing. And I don't know if you're doing it, gamerfan.
There really are some very weird results in your TAR27 edgic, especially with the way you declare winner contenders ??? How is that even determined? A lot of things just don't make sense.

And yes, being spoilt while doing an edgic (reference to TAR28) surely doesn't help. It will create bias.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic
Post by: gamerfan09 on January 13, 2016, 06:52:52 AM

Quote from: Marionete on January 13, 2016, 05:47:59 AM

I agree with oval on some points.
I think that overall Edgic has no use if it's done without much analysing. And I don't know if you're doing it, gamerfan.
There really are some very weird results in your TAR27 edgic, especially with the way you declare winner contenders ??? How is that even determined? A lot of things just don't make sense.

Point A: I do analyse. While watching, I take note of several things. (Confessional Count/First-Person Screentime/Second-Person Screentime/Third-Person Screentime).

Confessional Counts are important because unlike most big RTV shows, TAR leans more on voiceovers as well as teams doing things. A team with a lot of confessionals fully explaining them and fleshing their story arc out is due a CP edit. In fact, TAR26 Leg 3 only has 24 confessionals, and that even includes the voiceovers. Mike/Rochelle had NINE of these, and thus, their CP edit in addition to them commenting while doing tasks and they are fully fleshed out in this leg.

Screentime is essentially, how much time we see a team. (can also be defined by number of cuts to teams)

I define it as follows.
First-Person Screentime: How much a team is full front and centre and talks.
Second-Person Screentime: How a team is talked about by another team followed by a quick-cut of them + A team being shown doing basic stuff without any conversation from them (running, doing a task, panting, etc.)
Third-Person Screentime: How much a team can be seen in the foreground of another team's establishing shot.

I combine all of the screentime and divide it by the teams remaining to get an average Screentime score for the leg.

For instance, TAR26 Leg 3 has a total of 296 cuts, and divided by 9 would result in at least a 33 average. Every team this leg satisfies the average, hence, no UTR for anybody, leaving them at MOR. (In comparison, Leg 2 had about 274 cuts, and having 10 teams, an average would be 27. Aly/Steve only hit 16 of these cuts, and no confessionals at all. However, they were seen mostly at the Detour, and their positivity doing the task helped make them UTRP2.)

The teams with multiple confessionals throughout the leg and game-talk would boost them from MOR to CP, and etc. I do notice that TAR uses toning a lot though so there's that.

Point B: I follow Survivor logic mixed with TAR logic. What's that? Well, Survivor likes to reward CP winners. TAR usually loves a combination of CP/MOR/Positively-Toned teams. (As I said, I am only analysing from TAR25 onwards, so earlier seasons are out the window... for now.) Amy & Maya were UTR early on, but they were edited positively (their only one blowup in the Race even got fully edited out). They would then ride on UTR and MOR before finally getting a few CPP edits until they made it to the end. Same with Kelsey & Joey.

I determine contenders based on how Survivor Edgic determines them, in the sense that the teams with a string of CP-MOR-Positively Toned edits each leg have a chance to win.

In the End: Whoa I wrote a lot and again, this is just for fun, I am 100% an EDGIC newbie :lol: Thanks for the comments guys! :hrt:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic
Post by: gamerfan09 on January 13, 2016, 06:57:06 AM

Quote from: ovalorange on January 13, 2016, 03:48:46 AM

Is this not more to do with their placements and not their edits? Obviously a shock boot can only be portrayed as such if a team has actually done well ranking wise, therefore eliminated before their time.

This is an interesting concept gamerfan09, but I am not sure the Survivor edgic rules really apply to The Amazing Race. Firstly, TAR has two people per team as oppose to individual players in Survivor. How do you accommodate for drastic tone differences between team members in an episode? There have clearly been some major differences in team members visibility and personalities throughout the seasons (Tim/Marie and Justin/Diana spring to mind). It is not easy to model both members as a whole with such edgic rules.

Further, just because you're a boring, useless team or a villainous, rude team does not mean you cannot win TAR. A Survivor winner is rewarded by the jury for playing the best game. In TAR, the team who runs the final leg the best will win. It is more unlikely for a castaway to win the game if he is not looked upon well by his jury members. It is just as likely for a villainous or boring team to win the race as oppose to anyone else - they just need to win the final leg. I am not sure how one can as easily pinpoint a TAR winner using such a method.

Please note I am not saying looking at the editing is useless, in fact, I believe such devices can be used to deduce the winners ahead of the finale airing. However, I do think that such a process is much more complex than the standard Survivor edgic framework. Perhaps you may need to consider further aspects which are not explored in the Survivor edgic rules.

Point A: Considering there has been something always about the Merge boot on recent Survivor seasons having a potentially winning contender going during those, so does TAR at random moments.

Point B: I admit that it is indeed difficult, as there are always two team members. But in the end, they are still technically playing as ONE team, and thus, the actions of both will always contribute to their EDGIC score each leg. Especially if they argue, work together well, and etc.

Point C: I agree, but then again, as mentioned above, I am new to this and doing this for fun. Perhaps my continuos progress trying to figure out these editing tricks (where the editing has shifted in style via TAR25) will help somewhere in the future. :tup: Thanks for the comments ovalorange!

In short:

Quote from: WinTar on January 13, 2016, 05:26:24 AM

edgic can be applied to TAR :-) thx for your insight anyways oval

This.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic
Post by: gamerfan09 on January 13, 2016, 09:17:49 PM

This is premature but I've gotten my chart out ready for 28!

(http://i.imgur.com/ItfbMs9.png)

Again, as much as possible, no spoilers please. I know them, but I won't let that influence my edgic at all this season. Let's see how it goes live.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic (TAR28 Speculation Begins on Page 3)
Post by: gamerfan09 on January 21, 2016, 05:41:17 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ItfbMs9.png)

Let's hope for a good season :)

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic (TAR28 Speculation Begins on Page 3 After Premiere)
Post by: bottle on January 24, 2016, 01:11:39 PM

good job gamer ill try to speculate whenever season starts even though ill suck at it:D

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic (TAR28 Speculation Begins on Page 3 After Premiere)
Post by: stekay on February 12, 2016, 09:13:30 PM

Oh I need to do this

Title: Re: The Amazing Race Edgic (TAR28 Speculation Begins on Page 3 After Premiere)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 12, 2016, 09:53:51 PM

ABSOLUTELY NO FUTURE SPOILERS HERE PLEASE.

Discussion of the previous episode only, this does NOT include Previews.

 :thankyou:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep1 Analysis Begins Page 3!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on February 13, 2016, 08:09:31 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/lAUfXkb.png)

Episode #01:

Notes:

• On the (surprising) side, there were only 12 confessionals/voice-overs throughout the leg. (Three from Scott/Blair and Matt/Dana, Two from Sheri/Cole, Matt/Dana, and Burnie/Ashley, and One from Zach/Rachel, Jessica/Brittany, Marty/Hagan).
• There were a grand total of 596 cuts throughout the episode showing teams. Therefore, the median is 54.
• The Edgic above has been derived with the introductions of the cast not being counted on the first leg.
• "Cuts" mean a scene where a team is shown for X seconds before cutting to another team.

Team-By-Team Analysis:

(http://i.imgur.com/pSjp6go.png)

I struggled where to put Sheri & Cole, because they were generally positive throughout the episode, and Cole was a really OTT person. However, upon closer inspection, their entire leg performance had them as fully fleshed out characters, we saw their mindset in almost every way throughout the leg, and thus, I give them the first CP rating of the season - CPP5. You could exchange that for an OTTP5 as well, but they are the only team so far with a semblance of a winning edit. Definitely the only winning contender for now. (Sheri & Cole had 2 Confessionals/Voice-Overs and a whopping 92 cuts devoted to them - nearly 20% of the overall screen-time.)

(http://i.imgur.com/Zg26cB7.png)

Brodie & Kurt, however, were the easiest to edgic for this leg. No confessionals, no proper explanation for their actions, their antics (them randomly tripping, them at the Detour, Brodie yelling) easily push them to a one-dimensional OTT3 rating. Winners are usually allowed to be OTT at times, but not too much (Justin/Diana). Watching. (They had 59 cuts - exactly near the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/jIrkts9.png)

Scott & Blair, on the flip-side, are equally OTT. Not OTT in the sense that they didn't give confessionals or voiceovers (because they did, actually, the most in the leg :lol:), but OTT in the sense that throughout the leg, we mainly had no idea what their mindset was, especially during the Roadblock (there was a short confessional during the Detour, but it was a generic "reading the instructions" confessional that we too often see). Top that with Blair's random comments throughout the leg and her OTT moments (crying at the Pit Stop/Hugging Tyler/Yelling in the Cab/Her Detour quotes) easily push them to an OTT5 rating. Definitely watching as well. (They had three confessionals/voiceovers and 77 cuts - way above the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/EY7msNJ.png)

Dana & Matt ran a quiet leg, but then again, recent winners have proven to be MOR on their first leg, and them dealing out three confessionals/voice-overs (particularly the positive one at the Pit Stop) leads me to put them at MOR3. Definitely a team to keep watching for. (They had 3 Confessionals/Voice-Overs and 56 cuts for them - very very near the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/Y7eVvaE.png)

Zach & Rachel, on the same note as Dana & Matt, ran a similarly quiet leg, and their edits are nearly the same, with them only getting much less screentime. However, there are some potentially positive moments (them dancing for like 10 seconds after getting the Mariachi Madness clue + their PS and Race Start Kiss + their Selfie) leads me to put them at a UTRP2. Also watching. (They had 1 Confessional, and only 24 cuts devoted to them. This would normally be a rating worthy of a 1 visibility, but them being on screen relatively longer than Darius & Cameron did pushes them out of the visibility rating of 1, but just barely.)

(http://i.imgur.com/LWE9aAZ.png)

Marty & Hagan (see Zach & Rachel's writeup and imagine more screentime (but not too much), they did, however, have some moments of them getting their clue and being happy with happy music so they're MORP instead). Watching as well. (They got one confessional and 36 cuts.)

(http://i.imgur.com/3RjoatK.png)

Burnie & Ashley Watching. (see Marty & Hagan except their positive moment is them going ILY to each other and the random bull castration story with the weird sound effect but they got much more screentime so they're MORP too) (They got two confessionals and 40 cuts.)

(http://i.imgur.com/eUgVvzZ.png)

Tyler & Korey Also watching. (see Burnie & Ashley but slightly more screentime, with zero confessionals and near the median of 51 cuts.)

(http://i.imgur.com/qV9Ozog.png)

Jessica & Brittany were shown as pretty mixed throughout the leg. Through moments of them which could be interpreted as positive (them hugging Phil + them at the RB + them "flying the plane"), there are also some moments which may be negative (upon closer inspection, they are the team with the most "omg this sucks" moments throughout the leg with throwaway short cuts of them). With them having these with a few voiceovers and a generally mid-sized screen-time, they are in MORM territory. Still a team to watch. (They got 38 cuts and only one confessional from the airport start, it's pretty far from 54, but their screen-time is definitely longer in total than some others.)

(http://i.imgur.com/EdCIF7c.png)

Erin & Joslyn, on the other hand, are the more visible Jessica & Brittany. They were pretty mixed throughout the leg, but them generally being very visible easily makes them the third more visible team in the premiere along with Scott/Blair and Sheri/Cole. Watching. (They got 63 cuts and zero confessionals/voiceovers.)

(http://i.imgur.com/pidrbus.png)

Darius & Cameron, on the other hand, were very invisible. They weren't shown much, and when they did pop out, they were only shown either getting a clue, doing a task silently, or running. It is no surprise that they are UTR1, as their paltry serving of 19 cuts (only 3% of the episode's screentime which rounds it off to 1:20 - and only half of it has them speaking!) and no confessionals. The fact that them doing a momentous feat (jumping from last to fourth) is treated with no love by the editors (while Sheri did the exact same thing at the Detour and got the inspirational music), leads me to immediately strike them as a team not winning at all via the edit. Sorry guys!

Overall Notes:

-Sheri & Cole are a strong early contender, but considering the new era of TAR25-and Beyond usually having a team giving out winner vibes early on that fizzles a bit later on in the edit department (see Tim & Te Jay/Jelani & Jenny/Jeff & Jackie/Jazmine & Danielle), time will tell. For now, they're the one and only winner pick for this first episode.
-Everyone else but Darius & Cameron have a very likely shot to win depending on where their edit shifts. (Darius & Cameron even beat out Amaya in Invisibility on Leg One, I'm already eliminating them from winning.)
-Admittedly, this episode was harder to analyse than the TAR25 - 27 premieres due to less confessionals and the confusing first 10 minutes.
-This is after rewatching the episode two times.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on February 13, 2016, 08:10:33 AM

PS feel free to comment and tell me if I messed up somewhere bc I am new to this and this is just for fun. :P

Also feel free to post your own spec!  :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Just remember this:

Quote from: georgiapeach on February 12, 2016, 09:53:51 PM

ABSOLUTELY NO FUTURE SPOILERS HERE PLEASE.

Discussion of the previous episode only, this does NOT include Previews.

 :thankyou:

We're in the spoilers forum now anyway but still :P

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: Marionete on February 13, 2016, 11:36:46 AM

Since when is it prohibited to discuss spoilers in the spoiler section? :funny:

Great job gamer, I enjoyed reading the explanations - much better than just plainly giving the table. :conf:
I would also place Matt & Dana as winner contenders after this leg. That's because of their confessional at the end and the constant cuts to them, when they say nothing relevant, i.e. things that can be said by any other team like "I hope I get this right" and so on. I've noticed that TAR winners often get such MOR edits.
Might be wrong though, but these are just my observations ???


P.S. it must be a bitch counting all the cuts :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on February 13, 2016, 06:56:37 PM

Quote from: Marionete on February 13, 2016, 11:36:46 AM

Since when is it prohibited to discuss spoilers in the spoiler section? :funny:

Great job gamer, I enjoyed reading the explanations - much better than just plainly giving the table. :conf:
I would also place Matt & Dana as winner contenders after this leg. That's because of their confessional at the end and the constant cuts to them, when they say nothing relevant, i.e. things that can be said by any other team like "I hope I get this right" and so on. I've noticed that TAR winners often get such MOR edits.
Might be wrong though, but these are just my observations ???

P.S. it must be a bitch counting all the cuts :lol:

A. Definitely the closest I went to putting as another contender on the table. But I'll wait a bit like I did on 27 with Kelsey & Joey.

B. It is! But it's so much fun to do the calculations in my notebook :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: Reilly Queens on February 14, 2016, 10:00:18 AM

The best way to put it is this thread(Editing and Logic) is for predicting who goes far/who doesn't based on the edited 43 minutes of the show. Therefore it is cheating/pointless/unethical to interfere by discussing spoilers gained from production spoilers.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 14, 2016, 11:44:46 AM

Exactly. ^^
 
And mostly I am trying to protect any unspoiled people from inadvertently reading an outcome. Some of our internationals may not want to know results until they are able to watch.

It is just a precaution. Don't get all worked up over where the thread lives, just have fun.

MOVING ON PLEASE. :tup:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: Candi Lee2 on February 14, 2016, 10:40:40 PM

 I enjoyed reading this thank you gamerfan09  :waves:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on February 14, 2016, 11:09:50 PM

Quote from: Reilly Queens on February 14, 2016, 10:00:18 AM

The best way to put it is this thread(Editing and Logic) is for predicting who goes far/who doesn't based on the edited 43 minutes of the show. Therefore it is cheating/pointless/unethical to interfere by discussing spoilers gained from production spoilers.

This. Let's just move on and try to continue this fun process of trying to figure a winner out ^_^

Quote from: Candi Lee on February 14, 2016, 10:40:40 PM

I enjoyed reading this thank you gamerfan09  :waves:

Thank you Candi!  :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 15, 2016, 08:10:44 AM

It would be overwhelming impossible to do, but I have often thought that the Insider Vids...the number each team gets, what they chose to show, the slant the team is given there often points to the winners. Would be fun to look at some day.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: Marionete on February 15, 2016, 01:06:23 PM

Agreed!
Though I'm unsure as to whether they release insider videos in the same manner as they edit the main show, i.e. portraying which team is the villains, inspirational or token bickering team. (I rarely watch them)

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on February 15, 2016, 03:21:20 PM

Quote from: Marionete on February 15, 2016, 01:06:23 PM

Agreed!
Though I'm unsure as to whether they release insider videos in the same manner as they edit the main show, i.e. portraying which team is the villains, inspirational or token bickering team. (I rarely watch them)

They don't.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on February 15, 2016, 09:26:01 PM

In regards to secret scenes, they may matter (the entire Final Seven on the TAR27 Secret Scenes said Justin wasn't winning but thats more of FORESHADOWING and not EDITING per-se, as Secret Scenes are usually long unfiltered conversations), but since this thread is all about the edited episode, it's not really going to be examined quite yet. :tup:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: paradoxinee on February 15, 2016, 11:36:29 PM

Sheri & Cole remind me of Hayley and Blair. Both were in the back of the pack from the beginning, get a little lost, over the top sometimes.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 1!)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 17, 2016, 04:06:45 PM

Quote from: gamerfan09 on February 15, 2016, 03:21:20 PM

Quote from: Marionete on February 15, 2016, 01:06:23 PM

Agreed!
Though I'm unsure as to whether they release insider videos in the same manner as they edit the main show, i.e. portraying which team is the villains, inspirational or token bickering team. (I rarely watch them)

They don't.

I think they totally do. The comments/edits/number of confessionals all point to the winners, IMO.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on February 17, 2016, 05:10:44 PM

Quote from: Reilly Queens on February 14, 2016, 10:00:18 AM

The best way to put it is this thread(Editing and Logic) is for predicting who goes far/who doesn't based on the edited 43 minutes of the show.

Secret Scenes may point and foreshadow (TAR27 for example, all the teams in the Final Seven have said that Justin wouldn't win continuously in at least one secret scene per ep to the finale), but this thread is all about the edited 43 minutes of the show indeed.

Potential foreshadowing is still potential foreshadowing however, and any lead eventually would go somewhere!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 1!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on February 19, 2016, 08:20:17 PM

Analysis will be posted in about 24 hours.  :hearts:

Expect to see some new winner contenders!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 1 Analysis on Page 1!)
Post by: Marionete on February 20, 2016, 01:28:58 PM

I think it's gonna be hard to edgic this one, but you can do it, gamer! :lol:
I'm a bit sad about the edit for Matt & Dana this episode :( There has been a tendency with Amy & Maya and Joey & Kelsey that their (winning team's) bickering is not shown...

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 2 Analysis on Page 2!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on February 21, 2016, 08:21:24 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/OcF03Bw.png)

Episode #02:

Notes:

• There were 34 confessionals/voiceovers this leg.
• There were a whopping 543 cuts with teams saying something and 160 cuts of teams not saying anything but just being there on frame.
• Hence, the median is an average of an overall 67.
• Scott & Blair's screen-time pre-intro is not counted as I consider the episode to fully begin when Dana & Matt rip open the clue to fly to Colombia.
• "Cuts" mean a scene where a team is shown for X seconds before cutting to another team.

Team-By-Team Analysis:

(http://i.imgur.com/3RjoatK.png)

Burnie & Ashley more or less carried on their positive "honeymoon i love you 4ever xoxo" edit from the last leg, but they've been upgraded to OTTP simply because almost every time they got screen-time they would cheer on each other or kiss or hug or encourage each other while keeping about the same amount of screen-time. Still a team worth looking into for the following weeks. (They had 3 Confessionals and 49 cuts - a little bit stray from the median but they averaged a longer screen-time for some of these cuts so they're at a 3 visibility!)

(http://i.imgur.com/Y7eVvaE.png)

On the flip-side, Zach & Rachel moved up a bit from being under the radar to showing up more by talking - despite having the same amount of screen-time more or less from the last leg. They're basically a weaker edit of Burnie & Ashley right now, as they give out the same "peaceful happy couple" vibes, but they are still a team to watch as of now like the former. Rachel's "second-person visibility" moment of her giving clothes to another team is similar to Amy & Maya giving Bethany shoes - something interesting to note as well. (They had only one confessional and 39 cuts. Nearly -20% of Burnie & Ashley's share!)

(http://i.imgur.com/pSjp6go.png)

Speaking of winning edits, this was a relatively quiet week for Sheri & Cole. While a UTR edit would be a cause of concern, I'm still holding firm on them as top contenders. If the UTR edits continue, they may be another Jelani/Jenny (strong start then meh middle in terms of editing), but for now they are still very much my top contenders. The fact that they were also edited as relatively positive through what little screen-time they had (+ Sheri saying they're gonna keep on moving up at the Pit Stop) is also still very much a sign to keep them as #1. (They had zero confessionals and 32 cuts - very far from the median. They had the same share more or less as Zach & Rachel, but the difference is them having more non-speaking cuts than them.)

(http://i.imgur.com/Zg26cB7.png)

Brodie & Kurt simply broke out this leg. They continuously gave confessionals about their mindset, they did tasks well, they continued on their loud cheering, and got more screen-time than they did last episode. Definitely a great sign, and this surge in their edit leads me to put them on the winner contenders list for this week. Let's see if they can keep their edit up! (They had a whopping 15 confessionals/voiceovers (HALF of the entire cast's share this episode!) and 77 cuts!)

(http://i.imgur.com/jIrkts9.png)

Another potential winning contender that emerged this week was Scott & Blair. Despite Blair still being as OTT as she was last leg, this week they gave more confessionals about their mindset + a good majority of their cuts are about how hard a task is or where they think they are at the moment + Blair giving a good majority of the game talk this leg (as mentioned by another poster, Blair continually gave out the "OMG X JUST GOT HERE LETS HURRY" quotes of the leg). Hence, despite Blair's yelling potentially being seen as Negative to irritate audiences, their overall game talk and positivity throughout most of the leg leads me to assign them a CPM rating and to bump them up as a distant third in the winner contenders right now. Let's see how their edit goes from here! (They received 3 confessionals/voiceovers and 76 cuts this leg!)

(http://i.imgur.com/EY7msNJ.png)

After nearly putting Dana & Matt as a winning contender last week, this week is a bad week for them.

The mere fact that their entire screen-time was mainly either:
A. Dana being incompetent and whining
B. Dana yelling at Matt
C. Dana giving out a confessional on how much it's hard to deal with Matt and her strong personality

Are all negatively construed things and they're OTTN this episode. They could STILL win, as this OTTN edit is very early on in the Race, but for now they are leaning a little bit on the No side for winning for me. Still a team to watch for though! (They had 3 confessionals of Dana talking about her personality in contrast to Matt + 87 cuts this episode!)

(http://i.imgur.com/qV9Ozog.png)

Considering another team at risk of falling off chances of winning is Jessica & Brittany. They didn't do much this episode and while they were there, they were just literally there. No toning, no confessionals, not even any game talk. Jessica & Brittany are UTR2 and slightly in danger after only a MORM3 first leg. They're still a team to watch for, but it's not looking good. (They had 1 Confessional and 39 cuts overall.)

(http://i.imgur.com/EdCIF7c.png)

After a very mixed first leg, Erin & Joslyn settle in a visible yet smaller edit.

Throughout the leg, Erin's story could be seen as over the top, and the fact that them the whole leg can be defined as the following:
-Do a task.
-Scream, Yell and act Excited

With about as much screentime as Brodie & Kurt last leg, and about the same content given out from them as the boys did last leg, Erin & Joslyn are OTT3 this leg. Still a team very much in it and to watch for. (They had one confessional/voiceover and 47 cuts - below the median but manage to crack 3 visibility by being on screen longer in their cut average.)

(http://i.imgur.com/eUgVvzZ.png)

This leg, Tyler & Korey had more or less the same edit as they did last episode. Give happy confessionals, talk some game while doing stuff, etc. However, this time they had more screentime. Their second-person visibility is also something interesting to watch (irt Brodie/Kurt) but it can't be too much (Justin). Still a team to keep looking out for though! (They received 6 Confessionals/Voiceovers and 69 cuts - more than the median).

(http://i.imgur.com/pidrbus.png)

After eliminating Darius & Cameron as winners last week, they suddenly get a strong CP3 edit. They continuously gave voiceovers about their mindset + strategy while remaining toneless. But while this would normally be a good thing, they are still very much eliminated from winning for me. Why? Their UTR1 edit on Leg One was not only killer, it's the fact that the majority of the times they DID speak this week were not focused on them but only on outside shots or local shots or even shots of other teams with their voices just in the background! Hence, despite a normally strong edit, I'm sorry, these two are STILL not winning. They are very much the only team that aren't winning at this rate. (They received 13 confessionals/voiceovers and 82 cuts this leg. They are definitely more visible, but the aforementioned scenes of them just being voiceovers dropped them to a plain CP3 rating.)

(http://i.imgur.com/LWE9aAZ.png)

Marty & Hagan are eliminated, so not much of a big analysis will be given on them, but they were eliminated on a leg where they would have otherwise been a team to watch had they survived. RIP Marty & Hagan, the first team eliminated from The Amazing Race 28! :torche (They received four confessionals/voiceovers and a total of 97 cuts - the most for a team this leg.)

Overall Notes:

-As mentioned last week, Sheri & Cole are a bit alarming edit-wise (of following in the footsteps of Tim & Te Jay/Jelani & Jenny/Jeff & Jackie/Jazmine & Danielle), but time will tell.
-Dana & Matt are following a slightly more visible and extreme edit of Logan & Chris in their first two episodes (Relatively MOR and quiet first ep then a random blowup on Leg 2). We shall see if they follow in the footsteps of #ThePapparazzi or forge their own path edit-wise.
-Darius & Cameron are living on borrowed time IMO. I don't see them lasting past the middle of the season, and that's being optimistic.
-The editing this episode was harder to analyse due to many teams being in the same shot. This analysis was after FOUR rewatches!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 2 Analysis on Page 2!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on February 21, 2016, 08:35:12 AM

Edgic posted above, feel free to comment and tell me if got some stuff wrong :tup:

If you want you can post your own analysis of stuff too!  :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

The first three posts have also been edited to reflect easier reading :tup:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 2 Analysis on Page 2!)
Post by: ovalorange on February 21, 2016, 08:54:14 AM

This edgic is so spoiler heavy :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 2 Analysis on Page 2!)
Post by: Marionete on February 21, 2016, 10:03:57 AM

Great read once again! :tup:
I don't mean to diminish your great work, but had you been spoiler-free – THEN this would have been impressive :lol:

And regarding the above post, I think I would stay away from edgic if I hadn't been spoiled myself.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 2 Analysis on Page 2!)
Post by: Candi Lee2 on February 24, 2016, 08:59:58 PM

 :hearts: love this gamerfan09 !!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 2 Analysis on Page 2!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on February 27, 2016, 10:45:20 AM

Quote from: Candi Lee on February 24, 2016, 08:59:58 PM

:hearts: love this gamerfan09 !!

Thanks Candi!

(Had more time this week, analysis up tomorrow!)

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep 2 Analysis on Page 2!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 01, 2016, 08:41:43 AM

Tomorrow :lol:

But one thing's for sure, expect to see a winner contender dropped (even though it should be obvious who it is!) for now.

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone*
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 03, 2016, 06:36:56 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/n9w7Jtb.png)

Episode #03:

Notes:

• There were 27 confessionals/voiceovers this leg.
• There were a whopping 556 cuts with teams saying something and 173 cuts of teams not saying anything but just being there on frame, much more than the previous episode.
• Hence, the median is an average of an overall 73.
• "Cuts" mean a scene where a team is shown for X seconds before cutting to another team.

Team-By-Team Analysis:

(http://i.imgur.com/EY7msNJ.png)

Dana & Matt continue their descent into OTTN territory. Last week was already crazy but this week continues it yet again. The mere fact that when they are shown on screen, it's always Dana going off on Matt or some variation of that + them airing Dana stepping near the merchandise of that one vendor at the Roadblock with no explanation leads me to assign them another OTTN rating for this episode.

However, as it's early on, it could go either way with a redemptive arc (Hayley & Blair, who I was pretty sure was winning lol) or a continuous destructive arc (Logan & Chris). We shall see, but it's not looking good for them right now.

(They had 2 Confessionals/Voiceovers and 56 Cuts - pretty far from the median but they averaged more screentime in those cuts than most other teams so their visibility is at a 3 right now.)

(http://i.imgur.com/Zg26cB7.png)

Brodie & Kurt follow yet another serving of their CPP edit last week. They ran a good leg, and they had confessionals/mindsets the whole time. They also had only six cuts without them saying anything, with the remaining 74 all having them saying at least a word. That's pretty much all I can add, but I will say that they're simply at a visibility of 3 because they hit the Pit Stop in first by the time the episode barely hit the halfway mark. I'm upgrading them as the #1 winning contender right now as a result... definitely something interesting to see if their edit can keep up!

(They had 4 Confessionals and 80 cuts, exactly the median of the episode.)

(http://i.imgur.com/Y7eVvaE.png)

Zach & Rachel broke out this episode with their edit. From the beginning, we continuously got confessionals from them. We always saw their mindset. And most importantly, they survived the leg with this edit after two quiet legs. The very reason why I'm assigning Zach & Rachel a CP5 edit was because they were admittedly the focus on the episode (their messy leg). Normally, teams who run messy legs and survive tend to get a negative edit (see Hayley & Blair on TAR26 Germany, Misti & Jim on TAR25 Denmark, and most recently, Logan & Chris on TAR27 India 2.). But the fact that they still got the positive music at the Pit Stop + their plight was not played up for drama (instead of Rachel just crying and Zach staring we saw him say that it was alright and they could still catch up, etc.) and we had them as fully fleshed out characters this episode (particularly with their Detour and Roadblock game talk, which was the most from any team this leg). A great CP5 edit is due for them, and as they were relatively positive in the past 2 episodes, I'm upgrading them to third in the winner contenders. Let's see if they can keep it up!

(They had 4 confessionals/voiceovers and 114 cuts this episode (of which only 27 do not have talking) - way WAY above than the median and the heaviest edit of the episode.

(http://i.imgur.com/jIrkts9.png)

Scott & Blair also make a surprising hit with their edit this episode. They were barely shown at the beginning, but starting from the Catacombs, we had their entire mindset throughout the leg (their strategy at the Detour + Blair and Rachel deciding not to tell Cameron anything + Blair being just positive at the Pit Stop to still be in with her dad). We had them as fully fleshed out, positively-edited characters (they got happy music twice :lol:), and this leads me to put them on the Number Two winning contender next to Brodie & Kurt for this leg. Let's see if they can keep this up!

(They had 2 confessionals and 86 cuts, 17 of which did not involve talking but were usually very quick 1-second shots to Blair at the Roadblock. Above the median!)

(http://i.imgur.com/eUgVvzZ.png)

Tyler & Korey maintain their edit once again. They are highly visible throughout the episode, but ultimately they are stuck in their MORP rating. We never truly see them talk about game 100%. We only mainly see either Tyler laugh, throw in a confessional about how a task feels (but never how hard it is or what their strategy is to beat it), and get relatively positive music when they are on. However, they are still very much a team to watch due to their edit being consistently positive. But for now, they miss out on the Winning Contenders. Sorry guys!

(They had 4 confessionals/voiceovers, and 59 cuts (21 no talking) = Exactly near the median.

(http://i.imgur.com/EdCIF7c.png)

Erin & Joslyn, meanwhile, have another OTT episode. For starters, we see Erin freak out at the caves (which many casual viewers/fans would find annoying), and try to ditch Scott at the Roadblock (which garnered them negative SPV). However, we also get happy music with them at the Detour and them checking in at the Pit Stop with also aforementioned happy music. This, coupled with the fact that their only confessionals/voiceovers involve Erin's claustrophobia and Joslyn hoping Erin can do the Roadblock fast leads me to place them as OTTM this week. People with a lot of OTT edits usually don't win, but as they're not negative like Dana & Matt's, they're still a team to watch for.

(They had 4 confessionals/voiceovers and 99 cuts (of which only 12 didn't have them talking) - way above the median.

(http://i.imgur.com/pSjp6go.png)

Sheri & Cole are unfortunately still very low-vis (visibility) at this point. Last week seemed to start an unfortunate trend, but this week was slightly better with what little screentime they had. The very reason they are MOR2 and not UTR is simply because we got a glimpse of their mindset a little bit at the Roadblock + the Detour. Them, however, ultimately having stuff aired out that would enhance their story (their penalty, the mere fact that their Pit Stop checkin was edited so poorly without any dialogue from them, Sheri's claustrophobia which was used to a good effect on Leg 1) leads me to remove them from the Winning Contenders for now.

They definitely seem to be going the Jelani & Jenny route of Leg 1 contenders fizzling out eventually, although they might resurge a bit should they go in the Race. When and/or if they do, it'll be something to check out. [For references, Jelani & Jenny got a semblance of a winning edit again from Leg 10 which was definitely far too late lmao.]

(They had zero confessionals and 44 cuts - pretty far from the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/qV9Ozog.png)

Brittany & Jessica also follow Sheri & Cole's low-visibility, but they had a weaker edit than the latter. Why? Unlike Sheri & Cole, at the Detour they were mainly just shown either throwing the Tejo or cheering, only popping out during the Roadblock a little bit to help. Two UTRs in a row isn't good, and as this edit involves them never popping out on the winning contenders, I will unfortunately have to eliminate them as winners. Sorry girls!

(They had 1 confessional and 40 cuts - even lower than Sheri & Cole's. Additionally, 13 of those cuts had no talking - nearly 50% of their screentime.)

(http://i.imgur.com/3RjoatK.png)

Burnie & Ashley won't quite be eliminated as quickly as Brittany & Jessica, but this week's outing was their weakest in terms of edit. I debated on placing them on OTTP, MORP, or UTRP, and I eventually settled on the latter. Why? They barely had screentime and when they did it was either them being a lovey-dovey dating couple or running or reading a clue. It's not a good sign for them, but the fact that it's a UTRP edit (and Amy & Maya exist) mean that I'm not quite eliminating them just yet. We'll see.

(They had 3 confessionals/voiceovers and 44 cuts - essentially they would be MORP but when you factor in the fact that most of their screentime (15 of those cuts (about 35%) have no conversation (and lasted relatively longer than their cuts WITH talking) and their confessionals/voiceovers are generic without leading to anything significant later on.)

(http://i.imgur.com/pidrbus.png)

Darius & Cameron were shown much more here than last week, but I called them not winning from the first episode and they were eliminated this week lol. It also wasn't a good sign that they were barely shown discussing game stuff (at the Roadblock/Detour), with their confessionals merely talking about how they want to stay in it AND most of their cuts not showing them talking. Hence, they had a high-visibility but relatively tame MOR4 edit. RIP Darius & Cameron, the second team eliminated from The Amazing Race 28! :torche

(They had 5 confessionals/voiceovers and 96 cuts (43 of which they don't even talk in!)

Overall Notes:

-Sheri & Cole seem to be following in the footsteps of early teams with a strong edit eventually flaming out. (Jelani & Jenny, Tim & Te Jay, Jazmine & Danielle). Definitely not a good sign.
-The editing this episode was even harder to analyse due to many teams being in the same shot, especially at the Roadblock. :lol: This analysis was after FIVE rewatches!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep3 Analysis on Page 2, Reply#40)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 03, 2016, 07:02:51 AM

Feel free to comment if you felt I got anything wrong or clarify/add some stuff! :tup:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep3 Analysis on Page 2, Reply#40)
Post by: ianthebalance on March 03, 2016, 10:15:46 AM

I'll go into my explanation later, but I feel that Jessica and Brittany and Sheri and Cole's edits should be switched.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep3 Analysis on Page 2, Reply#40)
Post by: ghmorello on March 03, 2016, 04:37:15 PM

What does SPV stand for?

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep3 Analysis on Page 2, Reply#40)
Post by: Reilly Queens on March 03, 2016, 04:52:54 PM

Second person visibility.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep3 Analysis on Page 2, Reply#40)
Post by: ovalorange on March 03, 2016, 10:48:49 PM

I like your analysis this week gamerfan09! :tup:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep3 Analysis on Page 2, Reply#40)
Post by: ianthebalance on March 04, 2016, 05:42:29 PM

I don't understand how Sheri and Cole got a MOR while Jessica and Brittany got UTR. The models explained their actions for helping Cole while we got nothing out of Alabama.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep3 Analysis on Page 2, Reply#40)
Post by: WinTar on March 04, 2016, 05:48:12 PM

Quote from: ianthebalance on March 04, 2016, 05:42:29 PM

I don't understand how Sheri and Cole got a MOR while Jessica and Brittany got UTR. The models explained their actions for helping Cole while we got nothing out of Alabama.

Truth

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep3 Analysis on Page 2, Reply#40)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 04, 2016, 06:20:09 PM

Quote from: WinTar on March 04, 2016, 05:48:12 PM

Quote from: ianthebalance on March 04, 2016, 05:42:29 PM

I don't understand how Sheri and Cole got a MOR while Jessica and Brittany got UTR. The models explained their actions for helping Cole while we got nothing out of Alabama.

Truth

Definitely a valid point. I'll try to rewatch their parts before releasing Episode Four Edgic. But most likely my analysis for the two still stands :tup:

Thanks guys!

Quote from: ovalorange on March 03, 2016, 10:48:49 PM

I like your analysis this week gamerfan09! :tup:

Thank you ovalorange!  :hearts:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep3 Analysis on Page 2, Reply#40)
Post by: Marionete on March 05, 2016, 09:56:07 AM

I would also agree with ianthebalance, because I generally remember seeing the models more in leg 3. Sheri & Cole were the ones who were totally irrelevant to the episode and went UTR imo.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep3 Analysis on Page 2, Reply#40)
Post by: paradoxinee on March 06, 2016, 09:12:15 PM

About the edit of Matt & Dana, they are getting bad American edit? Last leg Dana nearly stepped on the vender's good. This leg, she touched the chess board and mess it up.

But it may just like Laura and Tyler splitting on potatoes.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep3 Analysis on Page 2, Reply#40)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 06, 2016, 09:20:37 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/3dRg7JK.png)

Episode #04:

Notes:

• This week was a headache to watch. So many cuts with so many teams in the frame :lol:
• Therefore, this week's visibility rating is dependant on how much teams were shown overall and what they did.
• The cuts this episode don't really matter in terms of cuts without speaking, as there were multiple teams in a lot of cuts. Hence, this edgic is mainly based on when teams did talk, as there were far too many shots of teams in the background that essentially everyone is equalised. (603 talking cuts vs. 519 non-talking cuts to be exact. The median this leg is 124.)
• There were also a grand total of 54 confessionals/voiceovers.
• I also edited the episode three Edgic rank after rewatching one more time (for Sheri & Cole and Jessica & Brittany). Thank you ianthebalance/WinTar/Marionete for the correction!
• This was derived after watching four times - and I seriously hate this episode a lot on rewatch :lol:

Team-By-Team Analysis:

(http://i.imgur.com/jIrkts9.png)

Scott & Blair are still on fire after this leg. We saw their entire thought process throughout the leg, and Blair's strategy for all the tasks were shown full-force. (Blair at the Detour, Blair at the Roadblock, Blair yelling at everyone to get down to avoid Brittany & Jessica, etc.). The reason why they are Mixed though is that Blair hiding may be perceived as negative and her refusing to help Brittany & Jessica can be seen as negative SPV, with her also side-eying Tyler after being so done with the #Blodie garbage. Still, they have another strong edit, enough for me to place them as number one on the Winner Contenders. Let's see how it goes, but their edit is there. They just have to step it up race-wise and they could win lol.

(They had 8 confessionals/voiceovers and an equalised number of talking and non-talking cuts at 102 - below the median, but they averaged a longer screentime average than other teams so they are at a 3 visibility.)

(http://i.imgur.com/3RjoatK.png)(http://i.imgur.com/Zg26cB7.png)

I struggled where to put Burnie & Ashley and Brodie & Kurt this week. Both teams had strong moments of strategy and confessionals throughout, with a moment of eventually falling quiet (Burnie & Ashley beginning the Route Info to the Pit Stop, and Brodie & Kurt from the Roadblock). After some thinking, I am essentially going to give Burnie & Ashley a CP edit, while Brodie & Kurt get a highly-visible MOR rating. Why? Because the former was seen throughout the leg, while the latter basically went quiet mid-leg, only popping out during generic race comments at the Roadblock and Pit Stop. Brodie & Kurt, however, are still winner contenders as winners are usually a good combo of CP and MOR. Burnie & Ashley had a strong edit this week, but we'll see if it continues first before making any hasty movements. Let's see if they can keep it up!

(Both teams got 7 confessionals/voiceovers, and both (coincidentally) received 147 talking and non-talking cuts each - way above the median. However, the reason for Burnie & Ashley getting CP is due to 97 of their cuts being talking, 50 without; Brodie & Kurt got MOR simply because they only had 58 talking cuts followed by 89 without - the only teams without a near equal split.)

(http://i.imgur.com/eUgVvzZ.png)

Speaking of strong outbreaks of edit from Burnie & Ashley, this week was Tyler & Korey's time to shine. After three MORP edits (where they would dish out confessionals but have it nothing to do with their performance yet still getting positive stuff in), they get a heavy positively-toned CPP5 edit. Like Burnie & Ashley, these two randomly got a strong edit, but we'll have to wait and see where this goes before upgrading them. Let's see if they can keep it up!


(They received 14 confessionals/voiceovers and got an equalised number of 170 talking and non-talking cuts - way way higher than the median and the strongest edit of the leg.)

(http://i.imgur.com/EdCIF7c.png)

This week was not a good week for Erin & Joslyn. They were really quiet this leg, in contrast to their two consecutive OTT edits. The fact that their edit was also either them just doing a task, running, or talking standard Race talk ("hurry up" "i see it" "i hope we're right"). The fact that their one and only confessional was 3 seconds long and inserted at the beginning for the multiple-team montage of teams mentioning "Blodie" was also definitely nothing worth noting. Erin & Joslyn are UTR and this is not a good sign for them. Let's see how next week goes.

(They got 1 confessional and an equalised total number of talking and non-talking cuts at 98 - way below the median of 124.)

(http://i.imgur.com/pSjp6go.png)

Sheri & Cole was definitely much more visible this week. After two quiet legs, we finally got to see more of them. We got to see their mindset as they got lost to the Detour, and Cole did the Roadblock and was shown a semblance of strategy. Although they were still pretty low-vis (especially in contrast to their strong Leg One performance), this is a step in the right direction for them and they're not getting eliminated from winning quite yet. Let's wait and see!

(They had 1 confessional and an equalised number of 100 cuts - below the median but they averaged a longer time hence the 3 visibility.)

(http://i.imgur.com/EY7msNJ.png)

Dana & Matt are more subdued this leg for sure. Sure Dana still snipes at Matt and is generally negative (moving the chess board, sitting on it, "One minute? Are you f***king kidding me?"), but this leg they were helped by giving out more game talk (they seemed to have an actual strategy of sorts at the Detour and the Roadblock), and for gaining more context in their decisions for the leg. They are still primarily negative, but their edit leaping to a plain MORN rating is much better than three OTTNs in a row. Had they been OTTN this leg yet again I would have erased them as winner contenders, but as they are MORN this week I will keep them still in the running. Let's watch and see!

(They got 3 confessionals/voiceovers and a total number of 95 cuts - way below the median. However, their cuts averaged longer than Erin & Joslyn, and was borderline between Sheri & Cole and Brodie & Kurt, hence the 3 visibility rating.)

(http://i.imgur.com/Y7eVvaE.png)

After a strong edit last leg, Zach & Rachel were relatively quiet this leg. While this would place in UTR or MOR territory, they basically got a Mike & Rochelle-esque edit. What does this mean? It means that even though they were low-visibility, every time they WERE shown had them dishing out a confessional or their mindset for what they were presently doing. (They were also the ONLY team to get a confessional during the run to the Roadblock.) Hence, they are basically still on the same edit last week, albeit less-visible. Due to this, I'm keeping them as Winner Contenders based on the pure merit of them having two CP edits and two quiet yet-positively toned edits out of four. Good job for them, let's see how it goes later on!

(They received 4 confessionals/voiceovers and an equalised number of 104 cuts - slightly below the median and in Erin & Joslyn territory.)

(http://i.imgur.com/qV9Ozog.png)

After three legs with a weak edit, Brittany & Jessica get their strongest edit yet - a CPN4, on their boot ep. Why CP? This was because we always saw their mindset throughout the leg (and all their mistakes). Why negatively toned? They are negatively-toned due to Jessica's Roadblock comments and their general bitching throughout the leg. But still, it doesn't matter. I eliminated them as winners last week and now they are eliminated lol. RIP Brittany & Jessica, the third team eliminated from the Race! :torche

(They received 8 confessionals/voiceovers and an equalised number of 144 cuts - way higher than the median.)

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Four Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 07, 2016, 07:02:54 AM

Edgic updated in the post above! :tup:

I did this while I was sleepy so feel free to comment and tell me if I missed anything or got something wrong!  :hearts:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Four Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: Marionete on March 07, 2016, 03:09:33 PM

I'm just curiously wondering, gamer, does doing Edgic (which means rewatching the episodes many times) reduce your enjoyment of the season? ???

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Four Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 07, 2016, 03:33:20 PM

Quote from: Marionete on March 07, 2016, 03:09:33 PM

I'm just curiously wondering, gamer, does doing Edgic (which means rewatching the episodes many times) reduce your enjoyment of the season? ???

Not really, people can actually make analysis for Survivor and other shows easily, I'm just really new to this so I have to rewatch :lol:

In regards to enjoyment, it depends! Sometimes rewatching leads you to notice things you may have missed that were decent moments (I didn't really notice Scott & Blair just walking casually while everyone ran to the Switzerland HoO but I'm so happy I noticed it on rewatch :lol: <3), or to notice how the episode really holds up.

Sometimes what seems amazing on first watch isn't really good on rewatch (Unlike TAR3 <3 Some of the leg designs are crap in the earlier seasons but the episodes are still so much fun), so in a way rewatching helps me both criticise and enjoy the show more!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Four Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 11, 2016, 09:43:22 PM

Analysis will be posted eventually, I already hated the last episode when rewatching and it's gonna be harder when I already don't like the episode to begin with :lol:

I won't let my personal opinions cloud my judgment though! :tup:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Four Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 16, 2016, 04:15:02 AM

I basically have 2 weeks before the next episode, but I'll make sure to get up my analysis by this weekend :tup:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Four Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: kiki on March 16, 2016, 11:27:47 AM

I would be very interested to read your remarks about Dana and Matt this week. For me they got a very mixed edit in this episode. When I saw the episode I thought that Matt was getting a positive edit while Dana was still getting a negative one.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Four Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: Marionete on March 16, 2016, 01:57:18 PM

IMO it's been that way eversince leg 2  - Dana being negative, but Matt still edited very positively. It sucks because neither of them seem like one-dimensional people.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Four Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 17, 2016, 08:34:32 PM

Quote from: kiki on March 16, 2016, 11:27:47 AM

I would be very interested to read your remarks about Dana and Matt this week. For me they got a very mixed edit in this episode. When I saw the episode I thought that Matt was getting a positive edit while Dana was still getting a negative one.

Thanks for commenting kiki! I'll try my best to get them up soon, I have an entire week on a break now :tup:

Quote from: Marionete on March 16, 2016, 01:57:18 PM

IMO it's been that way eversince leg 2  - Dana being negative, but Matt still edited very positively. It sucks because neither of them seem like one-dimensional people.

I would argue that the closest thing Matt ever got to being edited positively (as an individual) was Leg 3 (UTRP cheering for Dana) and last leg (dancing @ the Pit Start + encouraging Dana + his RB performance). Other than that he's been really really just MOR? :lol:

He's either dropping a gamebot confessional or running lol. Dana is a bigger character and thus, influences their edit accordingly.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Four Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: Marionete on March 18, 2016, 12:28:05 PM

Yeah, I agree that if we judged him separately, he'd definitely have a MOR edit. But having him on the same team as Dana really showcases how differently they are being edited and for me the negativity of Dana coupled with the neutral/semi-positive attitude of Matt created an overall positive tone for Matt :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Four Analysis on Page 3!)
Post by: kiki on March 18, 2016, 01:39:39 PM

I agree that Matt up to now was MOR, but this last leg it was as if he had a more positive edit with him talking how he grew in the mountains, that he missed them. So all that personal aspects were an even bigger contrast with how Dana was portrayed. I got really annoyed with her during the detour where we could hear her constantly saying: I'm afraid, help me etc and I knew it was just the edit. Imagine how much more negative was that for the casual viewer.
I think they editors are preparing the viewers for a spectacular fail from them. I really can't see them winning TAR.

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone*
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 18, 2016, 10:27:19 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/E2hZpXm.png)

Episode #05:

Notes:

• There were 17 Confessionals, 603 Cuts with Talking, 134 Cuts without Talking this leg.
• Thus, the median of cuts this episode is 92.
• This Edgic was derived after watching the episode two times. This was remarkably easier to do than last week!

Team-By-Team Analysis:

(http://i.imgur.com/pSjp6go.png)

After a bunch of quiet legs, Sheri & Cole had a Leg 1-style breakout. We easily saw how Sheri & Cole felt throughout the leg. We always saw their motivation for making decisions. More importantly, they are positively toned as well because of the happy, triumphant music being played after Sheri got the Detour clue and finished the Roadblock. There's also a LOT of Cole supporting Sheri and way less yelling from the first leg which could be considered obnoxious.

Hence, after two of the other winner contenders got UTR edits, I'm proud to put Sheri & Cole back on the winning contenders.  This would be a problem if they only began to resurge on Leg 10 like Jelani & Jenny on TAR26, but as it's not even half the season yet and they're already showing a sign of resurgence to a strong edit like Leg One, I'm going to place them back at #3 on the Winning Contenders. Hopefully they can keep it up!

They had 2 confessionals and 121 cuts this leg - the second strongest edit of the episode.

(http://i.imgur.com/Zg26cB7.png)

Brodie & Kurt shared almost the same screen-time as Sheri & Cole, and like the former, they resurged back into their Leg 1-selves. We got loud Brodie & Kurt again, with little to no confessionals or strategy discussion (Just "Go" "We can do this" or "This rocks" was received from them). It's not enough to hurt them though, and they firmly remain my #1 on the Winning Contenders.

They received 2 confessionals and a total of 120 cuts this leg - way above the median and the fourth strongest edit of the leg.

(http://i.imgur.com/3RjoatK.png)

Burnie & Ashley also continue their strong edit to this week. They somehow built up into a more-visible edit from last week, and that was already a CP edit! We always saw how they felt doing tasks, their mindset throughout, and it's honestly enough to put them up on the winning contenders at #3. Good job! Let's see if they can keep it up.

They had 7 confessionals and a total of 132 cuts this leg - the strongest edit of the episode!

(http://i.imgur.com/eUgVvzZ.png)

Tyler & Korey are definitely an odd team. They are always visible, but most of their screentime is one-dimensional. It's either Tyler commenting on what they're doing and how they feel, but never their mindset and strategies. Their "strategy" seems to only be "We can do it" "We're first". IDK why, but it reminds me a LOT of Justin's edit from TAR27. Their edit is also remarkably similar to them most of the season so after a CPP edit last leg, they are back to their original edit. They're still a team I'm gonna watch for, but honestly right now they seem like they may be a more mellow Justin & Diana from TAR27. And Justin & Diana did NOT win.

They had 3 confessionals and 93 cuts this episode - exactly the median.

(http://i.imgur.com/EY7msNJ.png)

As mentioned above, Dana & Matt had a mixed week. They are definitely more balanced out this week as characters. However, Matt being OTTP for the leg and Dana being pretty much negative (Her bitchy comments are really fun for me as a viewer but they are definitely negative lol.) throughout with not enough confessionals to merit a CP edit leads me to dump them into a MORM edit. Let's see how it goes, but their chances are pointing to a potential Logan & Chris/Brooke & Robbie-esque edit. AKA, not that good.

They had 1 confessional and 71 cuts - pretty near to the median. They would be a 2, but I bumped them up due to their entire Detour screentime being a few cuts with a lot more time focused on each.

(http://i.imgur.com/Y7eVvaE.png) (http://i.imgur.com/jIrkts9.png)

After two legs of truly strong edits, Zach & Rachel and Scott & Blair sadly fell. This could be mainly attributed to almost all other teams getting a heavy edit except the two of them. Both were extremely quiet this leg and both would have received UTR2 edits, but because we had a closer form of strategy from Blair sabotaging Erin & Joslyn and the inspirational music being played after the Roadblock finish, I'm bumping up Scott & Blair to a MOR2. Both could still win, but this episode definitely hurt their chances and unfortunately, I had to remove them both from the winning contenders for now. Sorry guys!

Both teams received 33 and 36 cuts respectively and zero confessionals - the weakest edits of the episode. It seems like the editors hurt both teams by fleshing out everyone else for a TAR26-esque scenario where everyone in the Final Six had a semblance of a winning edit at one point. We'll see how it goes.

(http://i.imgur.com/EdCIF7c.png)

After a quiet leg, Erin & Joslyn went back to being OTT. But this time, they had the "inspirational and sad" elimination edit. We saw them a lot, but we didn't really get any strategy discussion. They had nothing but themselves being so happy about where they were, what they were doing, and about the Race. Erin's comments at the Roadblock, although may be portrayed as negative, are ultimately positive because it's her optimistic that she and Joslyn can survive despite being in the bottom three. But still, RIP Erin & Joslyn, the fourth team eliminated from The Amazing Race 28! :torche

They had 2 confessionals and 126 cuts this leg - the third strongest edit of the episode.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 18, 2016, 10:27:59 PM

Edgic posted above! :tup:

Once again, feel free to comment and say how you feel about my judgments this week!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: Marionete on March 19, 2016, 09:36:10 AM

I don't understand why Brodie & Kurt are among the winner contenders with an obnoxious edit :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 19, 2016, 09:57:21 PM

Quote from: Marionete on March 19, 2016, 09:36:10 AM

I don't understand why Brodie & Kurt are among the winner contenders with an obnoxious edit :lol:

Obnoxious Edit does not equal the same sentiments of everyone lol

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: ghmorello on March 20, 2016, 12:01:05 AM

Brodie and Kurt or Tyler and Korey may get the Tanner and Josh edit.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 20, 2016, 09:53:19 AM

Quote from: ghmorello on March 20, 2016, 12:01:05 AM

Brodie and Kurt or Tyler and Korey may get the Tanner and Josh edit.

It's a possibility, but they ARE a wee bit far from it. At this point, they haven't been overtly negative towards anyone (Unlike Tanner & Josh in regards to Justin), but we'll see if it changes soon. :tup:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: ghmorello on March 20, 2016, 02:53:37 PM

Quote from: gamerfan09 on March 20, 2016, 09:53:19 AM

Quote from: ghmorello on March 20, 2016, 12:01:05 AM

Brodie and Kurt or Tyler and Korey may get the Tanner and Josh edit.

It's a possibility, but they ARE a wee bit far from it. At this point, they haven't been overtly negative towards anyone (Unlike Tanner & Josh in regards to Justin), but we'll see if it changes soon. :tup:

Tanner and Josh Edit - Team dominates the 1st half of the race.  Once leg 6 or 7 is over, they begin to go downhill and get knocked out by a U-Turn in around leg 9 or 10.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 20, 2016, 06:25:07 PM

Quote from: ghmorello on March 20, 2016, 02:53:37 PM

Quote from: gamerfan09 on March 20, 2016, 09:53:19 AM

Quote from: ghmorello on March 20, 2016, 12:01:05 AM

Brodie and Kurt or Tyler and Korey may get the Tanner and Josh edit.

It's a possibility, but they ARE a wee bit far from it. At this point, they haven't been overtly negative towards anyone (Unlike Tanner & Josh in regards to Justin), but we'll see if it changes soon. :tup:

Tanner and Josh Edit - Team dominates the 1st half of the race.  Once leg 6 or 7 is over, they begin to go downhill and get knocked out by a U-Turn in around leg 9 or 10.

That is more of their PERFORMANCE... not their edit.

Tanner & Josh's edit started off as relatively positive, then they were generally negative due to the Justin rivalry, and then eventually they ended up as really mixed personalities throughout until their boot.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: scruffs on March 22, 2016, 03:33:34 AM

Seriously I don't know how you're doing these analysis gamer! Not a joke re-watching an episode once, how much more nth times? :lol:

Still I always go back here to read everything.  :)

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 22, 2016, 03:42:15 AM

Quote from: scruffs on March 22, 2016, 03:33:34 AM

Seriously I don't know how you're doing these analysis gamer! Not a joke re-watching an episode once, how much more nth times? :lol:

Still I always go back here to read everything.  :)

Loads and loads of random free time sprinkled throughout my week :lol:

It's definitely a pain if it's a bad episode though :lol:

Thanks for reading! :<3

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on March 31, 2016, 05:03:10 PM

After a two week break, TAR is back and so is this!  :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Stay tunes for Episode Six analysis tomorrow!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 01, 2016, 08:54:26 PM

Episode Six analysis to be posted later today!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: ghmorello on April 05, 2016, 11:22:25 AM

Quote from: gamerfan09 on April 01, 2016, 08:54:26 PM

Episode Six analysis to be posted later today!

It wasn't posted.  :(

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: ghmorello on April 07, 2016, 11:59:42 AM

Shouldn't the edgic be posted before tomorrow's episode?

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep.5 Analysis on P.3 Reply 62!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 07, 2016, 08:28:59 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/FUrVEUT.png)

Episode #06:

Notes:

• This Edgic does not include flashback of a Secret Scene from the last leg.
• This Edgic has been equalised in terms of non-speaking cuts, as there were some scenes where no one would talk, but everyone was visible on screen. These would, ultimately, amount to a subtraction of five cuts from every team.
  
• This Edgic was derived after three viewings, and the third was only because I really enjoyed the leg :lol:
• There were also a grand total of 24 confessionals/voiceovers - easily the least of the season. There were, however, 712 cuts!

Team-By-Team Analysis:

(http://i.imgur.com/pSjp6go.png)

After this week, Sheri & Cole are still on fire. Allthroughout, we saw a lot of strategy and discussion from them, from the start of the episode. It's really worth noting that they were the only team to give a firm strategy about how they've been doing and how desperate they want to be in it and win at the beginning of the Pit Start, while other teams were just shown departing. (Tyler got a short game talk segment but they were mainly about how he's happy he/Korey are always in 1st or 2nd so it doesn't really count IMO.)

Not only that, Sheri & Cole are also the ONLY team this episode to have confessionals throughout the ENTIRE segment of tasks, only not having a confessional for the Opera House Route Info as they were literally out by one minute of screentime.

They were also super-positively toned, as they were always portrayed as positive and optimistic throughout the leg. Even Sheri's breakdown at the Roadblock was treated as positive due to positive SPV towards her from Scott & Blair and them remaining positive even when in last, with Cole saying "Maybe their taxi messed up and we'll get there before them" and the big inspirational music playing right after they arrive last and their confessional about happy to be moving on after a second chance.

This giant turn, especially after an equally strong edit BEFORE this episode, is a giant move for them. They easily got the strongest edit this episode, and after two very strong rebound episodes edit-wise, I am upgrading them back to their original Leg 1 spot. Good job!]

Ultimately, I would love to say these two win. BUT. The only thing holding them back is their ACTUAL Race performance. But if Amy & Maya could win, so could they lol. Let's see if this edit keeps on going, although I fully expect them to get a more nuanced MOR edit at one point.

(They had 6 confessionals/voiceovers (25% of the ENTIRE episode!) and a grand total of 164 cuts - the strongest edit of the episode.)

(http://i.imgur.com/Zg26cB7.png)

Brodie & Kurt have seemed to rebound on their Leg 1 selves, as started by Leg 5. They ran around, they yelled, they screamed, and they remained as one-dimensional as their first outing with little to no Confessionals. They are still very much winning contenders, I can't deny their strong Leg 2-4 edits, but the fact that they have hit three OTTs is a little bit concerning. Why? Winners can be OTT at times (Amy & Maya/Laura & Tyler had one noticeable OTTP episode for the former, and OTTN for the latter), but they can never be TOO OTT (Justin & Diana). They remain #2 on my winning contenders, but time will tell if this trend will continue.

(They had 4 confessionals/voiceovers and a total of 151 cuts - had they gotten a CP edit this leg they would easily have had the strongest edit.)

(http://i.imgur.com/3RjoatK.png)

Burnie & Ashley weakened a little bit after two strong episodes, but it's especially common for people with strong CP streaks to eventually mellow down. They were relatively invisible especially compared to their previous outings (Leg 3 had them as UTRP, but that was alright as it is P-toned), but a MOR from them after two strong CP edits is expected. Firmly keeping them as third in the winning contenders for now.

(They got 4 confessionals/voiceovers and a total of 70 cuts (8 non-speaking) - below the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/jIrkts9.png)

Scott & Blair rebounded a little bit by getting a MORP edit this episode. I actually debated on giving them OTTP or MORP, but I felt the latter was more worthy to describe them, as they DID have some over the top positive moments (Blair hugging Sheri, Blair's searching and making witty remarks at the ARI in contrast to Tyler & Korey's negativity, etc.), but they weren't completely one-dimensional, as evidenced by their confessionals. I took them off the winning contenders for now, but they are still very much in the running.

(They had 3 confessionals/voiceovers and a total of 101 cuts - EXACTLY the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/eUgVvzZ.png)

Tyler & Korey are a mixed bag. After generally MORP episodes where they would merely exist to be edited positively, this episode put them in a bad light. Tyler scheming to get Brodie & Kurt out and wanting them to slow down, plus plotting to get Sheri out by helping Scott was pretty negative. This, coupled with a lot of their slight negative comments while at the bottom of the pack like "This sucks" or "Ugh" puts them into a generally MORN edit. While I would say easily that their sudden MORP to MORN shift is not a good sign, it's honestly worth noting that Laura & Tyler were pretty MORN especially in the second half of the Race, but they still won. So I'm definitely still watching them for sure.


(They received 4 confessionals/voiceovers and got 123 cuts (87 with talking) - not quite the highest visibility of the episode but a little close.)

(http://i.imgur.com/EY7msNJ.png)

Dana & Matt were absolutely off this leg. They were mainly shown just ripping clues, doing tasks, and then checking in. However, the reason why they are MOR1 was because despite being EXTREMELY low-vis, they still dealt out three confessionals and some game talk for the microscopic screentime they had. But, I'm not going to deny the fact that they have never gotten a single sign of greatness with their constant negative-mixed toned edits, with fluctuating screentime every episode.

While I would like to say that they are still to watch for, unfortunately, I will have to eliminate them from winning. Why? Because it's already literally half of the season. Even if they get continuos strong edits from Leg 7 and up, should they make the finale, it just won't be enough. Case and point, Amy & Maya had a CP edit despite severely weak edits prior by this point in the season. Sorry guys!

(They got 2 confessionals and a measly 42 cuts (7 of which don't even have them talking!) - EXTREMELY lower than the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/Y7eVvaE.png)

Zach & Rachel, after last leg, strengthened up a bit with a MORP edit. Last leg, they were virtually invisible, and this time although they remained quite absent, they were still popping out to talk a little game. The reason why they are MORP is due to their random throwaway jokes and comments and their general demeanour throughout the leg. What's surprising though, is that their visibility rating has never been at an average higher than 2. Aside from their very strong Leg 3 outing, Zach & Rachel have remained super low-key, garnering merely 2s. This would be cause of concern, and as I have said with Dana & Matt, but considering their TOTAL screentime would equal Amy & Maya's screentime at this rate, they are still slightly worth watching for. Next leg will make all the difference. If they get a strong edit next leg, they are very well still in it. If not, then I'll have to strike them off the winner contenders. Let's see!

(They received 1 confessional and a total number of 60 cuts - below the median but not quite Dana & Matt level.)

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Six Analysis!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 08, 2016, 03:28:27 AM

Edgic edited in above!  :hearts:

Please comment if you have any concerns or if you think I screwed up somewhere :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Six Analysis on Page 4!)
Post by: WinTar on April 08, 2016, 04:41:36 AM

Tyler & Korey weren't N at all. Tbh, the N tone that you think they had probably stemmed from ur personal opinion of them. Their plotting scene was purely strategic and there was no part of the edit that tainted them as negative.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Six Analysis on Page 4!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 08, 2016, 09:32:12 PM

Quote from: WinTar on April 08, 2016, 04:41:36 AM

Tyler & Korey weren't N at all. Tbh, the N tone that you think they had probably stemmed from ur personal opinion of them. Their plotting scene was purely strategic and there was no part of the edit that tainted them as negative.

You're right. I tried to rewatch it and they were more MORM than anything considering they had some positive content last leg. I'll edit that in when I post Episode 7 Edgic :tup:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Six Analysis on Page 4!)
Post by: ghmorello on April 13, 2016, 04:41:01 PM

So, edgics will be on Wednesdays or Thursdays?

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Six Analysis on Page 4!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 13, 2016, 05:49:33 PM

Quote from: ghmorello on April 13, 2016, 04:41:01 PM

So, edgics will be on Wednesdays or Thursdays?

Not necessarily... I do have it. It's just quite time-consuming for me to write up updates. Patience. :tup:

I'll definitely try my best to post quickly soon, however! Especially as my schedule gets less and less packed.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Six Analysis on Page 4!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 15, 2016, 07:17:45 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/TRiUji5.png)

Episode #07:

Notes:

• This Edgic begins from when Sheri & Cole are shown departing the Pit Stop and continuing Racing.
• This Edgic was derived after three viewings.
• There were also a grand total of 24 confessionals/voiceovers - on par with last week. There were, however, 844 cuts, marginally more than Episode Six!

Team-By-Team Analysis:

(http://i.imgur.com/eUgVvzZ.png)(http://i.imgur.com/EY7msNJ.png)

I actually struggled where to put both Tyler & Korey and Dana & Matt, since both had the same edit. Both had extremely dramatic character traits that weren't really peppered with game talk and served to make them both OTT, with a drastic shift beginning the Roadblock. However, their toning is where the giant difference is.

(http://i.imgur.com/EY7msNJ.png)

Dana & Matt was portrayed as EXTREMELY negative in the first half of the leg. But, beginning them at their Detour, they were suddenly all positive and peaceful? And then beginning the Roadblock they were full-on positive all the way to the Pit Stop. The shift, however, considering how noticeable their behaviour was for the first half, was enough to make them OTTM. Ultimately, however, they still don't win.

(They received 3 confessionals and a total number of 82 cuts - lower than the median but their screentime was adjusted to a 3 visibility.)

(http://i.imgur.com/eUgVvzZ.png)

Tyler & Korey, however, don't quite have the same kind of shift to mixed. While Dana & Matt were clearly shown as 100% negative in their first half, Tyler & Korey were mixed from the start. They were essentially Brittany & Jessica's whole appearance all the way until the Detour - generally alright but always making negative comments about what wrong they had made. But, beginning from them finishing the Detour, Tyler constantly being shown as side-eying the other teams at the Roadblock, and his subsequent meltdown and rage over his bag, is enough to push them to an OTTN edgic.

While this is not a good sign, they are relatively still in, unlike Dana & Matt. Why? This is due to what I like to call the "Laura & Tyler" factor. Laura & Tyler had ONE OTTN episode too. Considering the former won, it's not quite a death kneel to Tyler & Korey just yet. The fact that these two have also had generally P-edited episodes beforehand is also not quite enough to eliminate them. Let's see!

(They received 4 confessionals and a total number of 157 cuts - higher than the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/3RjoatK.png)(http://i.imgur.com/Zg26cB7.png)

Burnie & Ashley and Brodie & Kurt, despite both having a large difference in loudness between them, had the same edit this episode, almost similarly to Leg 4. Both gave enough strategy on the leg, but not too much to make them complex. Both also did not suffer from any significant toning, with Burnie & Ashley only coming close at Ashley finishing the Roadblock and Brodie during the Detour. Basically, it's an expected break from the two of them considering their heavy edits prior. Unless they suddenly go invisible or continuously OTT, they're still as solid as they were on their spots on the winning contenders.

(The former received 4 confessionals and 100 cuts while the latter received 6 confessionals and 111 cuts - both right on the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/pSjp6go.png)

Sheri & Cole got a quieter episode as predicted. But, them getting a MORP edit instead of a MOR one, is definitely a good sign. They were shown as relatively positive throughout the leg like Zach & Rachel and ultimately checking in happy. Unless they go another dark phase of being quiet, I'm firmly keeping an eye on them as the #1 contender.

(They had 1 confessional and 77 cuts - the smallest edit of the episode. However, many of these cuts constituted long brooding shots of them, helped by them being the only one shown performing the other Detour for quite some time.)

(http://i.imgur.com/Y7eVvaE.png)

I said last week that if Zach & Rachel were quiet again, they would be eliminated from winning. Well this week slightly proved me wrong lol. They were shown as relatively positive by cheering each other on, and then them at the Roadblock was pretty positive too, with their Pit Stop entrance taking the cake. The funny thing though, is despite everyone getting a visible edit, they were STILL the quietest team amongst the visible teams. They're still in it, but one more quiet episode for them will be their death kneel.

(They received 5 confessionals and a total number of 104 cuts - on par with the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/jIrkts9.png)

After two quiet legs, Scott & Blair had their early-Race edit back. Unfortunately they were eliminated. I don't really have much to say except RIP Scott & Blair, the fifth team eliminated from The Amazing Race 28! :torche

(They had 4 confessionals/voiceovers and a total of 127 cuts - way above the median.)

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode 7-8 Analysis on Page 4!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 16, 2016, 09:49:34 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/9tXZxl7.png)

Episode #08:

Notes:

• This Edgic does not include the very first scene since Blair is still there lol.
• This Edgic was derived after three viewings!
• There were also a grand total of 26 confessionals/voiceovers - on par with last week +2. There were, however, 800 cuts.

Team-By-Team Analysis:

(http://i.imgur.com/EY7msNJ.png)

Dana & Matt carry the same edit they got last leg, only 100 times more amplified. We consistently got confessionals from them, yet these would only serve to project their traits during those scenes as positive or negative. Dana & Matt were so up and down, that they would literally have a big negative moment followed by a big positive moment. This, coupled with the fact that we literally saw no strategy from them, just Dana yelling at Matt, made them absolutely one-dimensional and still OTTM. I would put them as OTTN, but their positives (them finishing their Detour, the slide, the Pit Stop scene) balance out the negatives (everything else :lol:).

But then, there is something I would like to address. Dana & Matt got an extremely positive Pit Stop scene about them wanting to be better as a team. What's the significance of this? Well ladies and gentlemen, it simply means they may get a Redemptive Arc like Jelani & Jenny did on TAR26. They may get a brighter, sunnier arc, but ultimately, this is a red herring. Nothing will change. These two are STILL not winning.

(They received 10 confessionals and 172 cuts - the second biggest edit of the episode.)

(http://i.imgur.com/pSjp6go.png)

Sheri & Cole were almost as quiet as last leg, but with a remarkable difference. They were CPP this leg. How? Whenever Sheri would bitch about getting lost, Cole (despite how annoying it could be) always cheered his mom on. This would continue all the way to the Roadblock, where Sheri would then cheer on Cole. Despite them being in last, they were always positive throughout. Not only that, we always saw their decision making. We always saw (no matter how lesser the screentime was) where their head was at and why they did what they did.  Ultimately, Sheri & Cole are still number one on the winning contenders.

Like Dana & Matt, however, there is something I would also like to address. Their Pit Stop scene was absolutely positive as well like the former. But there were multiple things this leg that point to Sheri & Cole as the underdogs.

Firstly, the fact that we see other teams (especially Tyler) say that at least Sheri is behind them means they are not seen as a weak team.
Secondly, they themselves acknowledge that the other teams might get pissed at them because they've been NELed twice.
And lastly, an entire scene (Sheri falling and crying on the way to the Pit Stop, it counts as part of the show since it WAS in a promo) seems to point that Sheri is trying to be shown as likeable and positive as her team could be - a big fall for them would give a slight tinge of negativity considering most casual viewers hate any form of crying.

Overall, Sheri & Cole, especially now, are serious contenders, and definitely the underdog team of the season. Whether they win like Amy & Maya or fail like Mike & Rochelle though... we will see.

(They received 4 confessionals and 147 cuts - right on the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/Zg26cB7.png)

Brodie & Kurt, after four episodes of wallowing through OTT and MOR territory, finally got another strong edit. We consistently saw how things were working out with them, how they felt, and how they wanted to finish their tasks. Brodie & Kurt were 100% visible, 100% strategic throughout, and 100% still on the Winning Contenders list at Number Two.

(They received 5 confessionals and 198 cuts - way higher than the median and the strongest edit of the episode.)

(http://i.imgur.com/3RjoatK.png)

Burnie & Ashley basically had the same edit they did last leg. They pop in for some confessionals, then they do tasks, and then end it off with a kiss. They're still number three on the contenders, but considering Sheri & Cole and Brodie & Kurt have had dips into MOR territory with a surge back into CP, these two need their surge back into CP as well.

(They received 2 confessionals and 123 cuts - less than the median but adjusted to three for visibility.)

(http://i.imgur.com/eUgVvzZ.png)

After two legs of negativity, Tyler & Korey are back to their early-Race spirit. They were there to smile and act positive and that's it. Not much strategy from them except the usual "lets not be last" or "we could be first", with their confessionals reflecting this fact. As I mentioned in my last Edgic, they are still very much in despite their relatively negative edits in the past two legs. However, these two need a CP edgic soon. Winners usually have more than one by now, and the fact that they do NOT have another one yet is a cause of concern. They may still win, but right now, they are strictly on "Watching".

(They received 6 confessionals and 119 cuts - less than the median but adjusted, just like Burnie & Ashley. )

(http://i.imgur.com/Y7eVvaE.png)

I mentioned last episode that if Zach & Rachel got another quiet ep, they would be eliminated. And lo and behold, they were quiet this episode. We did get some strategy from them at the Detour, especially Rachel's reasoning, but the mere fact that they were the ONLY team not shown going to the Roadblock and just popping out at the task as well as doing the same for the Pit Stop as well as being the ONLY team with NO confessionals at the FINAL SIX was definitely not good for them. Considering they've been riding the low-visibility train for quite some time now, it's now time. Zach & Rachel are NOT winning The Amazing Race 28.

(They received 0 confessionals and 98 cuts, 32 of which did not even have them speak! Easily the weakest edit of the episode.)

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode 7-8 Analysis on Page 4!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 16, 2016, 09:50:33 AM

As compensation for posting Episode Seven Edgic late, Episode Eight edgic has been edited in less than 24 hours after the episode aired. :)

Have fun and again, tell me if you think I made something wrong and comment on this! :hrt:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode 7-8 Analysis on Page 4!)
Post by: Marionete on April 16, 2016, 04:22:02 PM

Once again, love these ones gamer! :lol:

I just think that that Tyler & Korey's negative edit should be completely disregarded due to their overwhelming amount of positively-toned edits. I know you've not eliminated them from the winner contenders and I agree that they're not top 3 of it, but I think leg 7 (and/or 6) made absolutely no difference in their overall edit. It was just a portion of the race where they FINALYL ended up towards the bottom and fighting for their lives -- as a result, naturally, getting frustrated and stressed.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode 7-8 Analysis on Page 4!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 16, 2016, 06:28:21 PM

Quote from: Marionete on April 16, 2016, 04:22:02 PM

Once again, love these ones gamer! :lol:

I just think that that Tyler & Korey's negative edit should be completely disregarded due to their overwhelming amount of positively-toned edits. I know you've not eliminated them from the winner contenders and I agree that they're not top 3 of it, but I think leg 7 (and/or 6) made absolutely no difference in their overall edit. It was just a portion of the race where they FINALYL ended up towards the bottom and fighting for their lives -- as a result, naturally, getting frustrated and stressed.

Yeah I can see that, but that doesn't change the fact that his bag freakout was extremely out of place... seems like something a team like Dana & Matt would do rather than them. This, continued with their random sniping comments throughout the leg, was enough to make them OTTN on Episode 7.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode 7-8 Analysis on Page 4!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 23, 2016, 08:57:23 AM

Analysis coming tomorrow, expect a slight shift in the Winning Contenders :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode 7-8 Analysis on Page 4!)
Post by: Deerhunter on April 23, 2016, 09:56:11 AM

Quote from: gamerfan09 on April 23, 2016, 08:57:23 AM

Analysis coming tomorrow, expect a slight shift in the Winning Contenders :lol:

So you're saying Brodie and Kurt lost their winners' edit this episode.

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode Nine Analysis!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 24, 2016, 04:12:58 AM

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Episode #09:

Notes:

• This Edgic does not include the very first scene with Travelocity nor does it include the flashbacks.
• This Edgic was derived after four viewings!
• There were also a grand total of 16 confessionals/voiceovers - much much lower and a season low. There were, however, 947 cuts.

Team-By-Team Analysis:

(http://i.imgur.com/pSjp6go.png)

Sheri & Cole were relatively positive this leg. Just like their Leg 7 mellowing them down a bit but retaining their positivity from the previous leg they were last in, they remained here with the same screentime as the past two, but generally positive. Cole being shown as always cheering on Sheri, and their antics being portrayed as positive (listen to the music when they said the bakso, the music that was played in the background was humorous?) is basically enough to keep them at a MORP level. The fact that they seem to have found a balance with their edit being consistently positive and strong especially after two painfully quiet legs early on is definitely a giant sign of good things for them and their underdog arc is also slowly evidenced everytime a team this leg was shown saying "Sheri might struggle" or "Sheri will have a hard time". Thus, Sheri & Cole retain their #1 spot in the winning contenders.

(They received 4 confessionals and 148 cuts - right on the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/3RjoatK.png)

Burnie & Ashley get the CP surge they needed! The entire leg, we always saw their mindset, their strategy, and everything else. Their pattern is slightly similar to late-game Kelsey & Joey, which is good for them. Interestingly enough, their edit of two strong CP eps followed by some MOR eps is almost like Sheri & Cole. This is basically enough for me to upgrade them to #1 above Brodie & Kurt (tied with Sheri & Cole) to the Winning Contenders. The only reason they aren't #1 is simply because the former has exhibited stronger winning vibes early on compared to them, plus Burnie & Ashley hadn't had over-positive moments of theirs being played yet since the third leg. Still, they are now my 2nd bet to win.

(They received 2 confessionals and 157 cuts - above the median and the strongest edit of the episode!)

(http://i.imgur.com/Zg26cB7.png)

Speaking of Brodie & Kurt, they were a bit odd this leg. They kept their position as having the most screentime, but a lot of it was negative, especially from Brodie. It's like they are two different teams from the first and second half, generally being positive in the first and then the second. Ultimately, however, they were generally portrayed as negative due to Brodie. Despite seeing their mindset and thoughts throughout the leg, there's no question about it. Brodie & Kurt are CPN and the fact that this is their first negatively-toned episode compared to the two other winning contenders who have zero is slightly alarming. I'm keeping them at number three, but if I had to make a guess, we could see them be an end-game shock boot like Kym & Alli, who had a mixed episode before a CPN boot after several positive episodes before.

(They received 6 confessionals and 208 cuts - way higher than the median and still the most-visible edit of the episode.)

(http://i.imgur.com/eUgVvzZ.png)

It's honestly really hard to talk about Tyler & Korey. They mainly serve as characters of narration (telling the audience what we already know and not giving out strategy of their own) and commentary (their random comments), but they're really just there? They are both extremely competitive, but there is literally nothing in their edit to this episode that suggests they could win, and the fact that they had ZERO confessionals this leg is alarming. Tyler & Korey were MOR this episode and that's it for them. I'm not eliminating them as contenders yet, but as I said last week, they need that CP episode. But perhaps, it may already be too late considering there are only two episodes left before the finale. We'll see.

(They received ZERO confessionals and 164 cuts - on the dot with the median.)

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And while it is hard to talk about Tyler & Korey, it is hard to talk ANYTHING about Dana & Matt this leg. After last week's Pit Stop scene suggesting a potential redemption arc, this leg completely yanked out that possibility from the audience. They were mainly shown ripping open clues, reading clues, sitting around at the Roadblock, and being at the Pit Stop. I already eliminated them from winning, but this edit pushes this even further. A UTR1, especially when there are only SIX teams left, is absolutely not good. Dana & Matt are STILL not winning The Amazing Race 28.

(They received ZERO confessionals and 106 cuts - with half of those cuts not even having them speak! Easily the weakest edit of the episode.)

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After eliminating Zach & Rachel last week, they went this week. Nothing much to say except that they were relatively-positive on their boot episode. RIP Zach & Rachel, the SIXTH team eliminated from The Amazing Race 28! :torche

(They received 3 confessionals and 164 cuts, the third biggest edit of the episode!)

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep. 9 Analysis On P.4 Reply #89!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 24, 2016, 04:15:19 AM

Quote from: Deerhunter on April 23, 2016, 09:56:11 AM

Quote from: gamerfan09 on April 23, 2016, 08:57:23 AM

Analysis coming tomorrow, expect a slight shift in the Winning Contenders :lol:

So you're saying Brodie and Kurt lost their winners' edit this episode.

Not exactly... but it's not a good sign for them considering their negative edit last leg seemed to be a torpedo wanting to sink their ship.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep. 9 Analysis On P.4 Reply #89!)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 24, 2016, 11:26:26 AM

I think Brodie and Kurt are all about the Roadblocks edit. Kurt has been a RB star! Brodie on the other hand is super strong but has the frustration tolerance of a two year old. My guess is they are being set up for us to see more along that line.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep. 9 Analysis On P.4 Reply #89!)
Post by: j.s45 on April 24, 2016, 06:25:18 PM

I wish this thread was done by someone who didn't already know spoilers and was able to analyze the episodes without letting personal bias affect their opinion.  blahblah

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep. 9 Analysis On P.4 Reply #89!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 24, 2016, 06:51:19 PM

Quote from: j.s45 on April 24, 2016, 06:25:18 PM

I wish this thread was done by someone who didn't already know spoilers and was able to analyze the episodes without letting personal bias affect their opinion.  blahblah

How is personal bias affecting my opinion???

I got the TAR27 winner right without knowing the Final Three and also when I was only a big fan of one of the Final Three and accepted they weren't winning. :)

I'm definitely gonna try to go into 29 unspoiled though.

Quote from: georgiapeach on April 24, 2016, 11:26:26 AM

I think Brodie and Kurt are all about the Roadblocks edit. Kurt has been a RB star! Brodie on the other hand is super strong but has the frustration tolerance of a two year old. My guess is they are being set up for us to see more along that line.

Yeah I definitely agree with this, but the fact that their editing shift was pretty drastic like Tyler & Korey on Georgia was enough to push them in negative territory. I absolutely agree that this is a set up for the audience to see more.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep. 9 Analysis On P.4 Reply #89!)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 24, 2016, 08:42:06 PM

Quote from: gamerfan09 on April 24, 2016, 06:51:19 PM

I'm definitely gonna try to go into 29 unspoiled though.

Oh no you aren't!! Them's fighting words!!  :funny:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep. 9 Analysis On P.4 Reply #89!)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 24, 2016, 08:46:21 PM

Quote from: j.s45 on April 24, 2016, 06:25:18 PM

I wish this thread was done by someone who didn't already know spoilers and was able to analyze the episodes without letting personal bias affect their opinion.  blahblah

:welcome: to RFF j.s45! Feel free to contribute to the discussion, and use logic and facts to dispute any analysis. But we are a friendly bunch so we all try to be careful about HOW we say things.  :waves:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep. 9 Analysis On P.4 Reply #89!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 25, 2016, 09:48:30 AM

Quote from: georgiapeach on April 24, 2016, 08:42:06 PM

Quote from: gamerfan09 on April 24, 2016, 06:51:19 PM

I'm definitely gonna try to go into 29 unspoiled though.

Oh no you aren't!! Them's fighting words!!  :funny:

No lol I'm serious. I'll probably just check out the route in the Locations-Only thread for 29.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep. 9 Analysis On P.4 Reply #89!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 29, 2016, 08:56:13 PM

Episode Ten analysis hopefully coming in 24 hours!  :spy:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep. 9 Analysis On P.4 Reply #89!)
Post by: ghmorello on April 29, 2016, 09:07:23 PM

Quote from: j.s45 on April 24, 2016, 06:25:18 PM

I wish this thread was done by someone who didn't already know spoilers and was able to analyze the episodes without letting personal bias affect their opinion.  blahblah

>First quote. 

Yeah, this is probably a troll.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep. 9 Analysis On P.4 Reply #89!)
Post by: georgiapeach on May 01, 2016, 05:17:52 PM

Quote from: ghmorello on April 29, 2016, 09:07:23 PM

Quote from: j.s45 on April 24, 2016, 06:25:18 PM

I wish this thread was done by someone who didn't already know spoilers and was able to analyze the episodes without letting personal bias affect their opinion.  blahblah

>First quote. 

Yeah, this is probably a troll.

Already addressed here. Please move on. Thanks!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Ep. 9 Analysis On P.4 Reply #89!)
Post by: ghmorello on May 03, 2016, 06:03:20 PM

Aww, how much longer?

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode 10 Analysis on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 04, 2016, 09:45:01 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/9Gq7YBu.png)

Episode #10:

Notes:

• This Edgic does not include flashbacks nor the Pit Start scene.
• This Edgic was derived after three viewings!
• There were also a grand total of 53 confessionals/voiceovers and 786 cuts.

Team-By-Team Analysis:

(http://i.imgur.com/pSjp6go.png)

This week was still really good for Sheri & Cole. But while they didn't contribute anything major to the episode's story of #GetBrodieAndKurtOut, their underdog arc seemed to be fully fleshed out this leg as the team that the show wants you to root for. Throughout the leg, Sheri was shown doing nothing but laughing, encouraging Cole, saying good job, and then the entire screen-time spent at the Roadblock was obviously meant to be inspirational. While they didn't contribute anything much to the U-Turn drama, they were portrayed as extremely positive throughout, and their confessionals only seemed to increase that tone even more. No doubt about it, Sheri & Cole were OTTP this leg and still remain #1 as the winner contender of this season. Let's see how next week goes before I make a final Winner Prediction!

(They received 12 confessionals/voiceovers and 129 cuts - very near the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/3RjoatK.png)

If this week was great for Sheri & Cole, Burnie & Ashley also trudged along just as well as they did on the previous week. This leg, we always saw how they thought, why they did what they did, and they were full narrative and strategic characters this leg. No doubt about it, they were 100% strategic and complex. However, what concerns me is that unlike very early on in the Race, Burnie & Ashley have remained virtually toneless for their past legs. Sure, they have the CP - MOR combination on lock, but without overtly positive content for them aside from their throwaway one-liners and kisses, it's a little uncertain for me. Still, like Kelsey & Joey who shared almost the same edit as them, it's 100% sure that these two will STILL remain #2 on the Winning Contenders. But like Sheri & Cole,  let's see how next week goes before I make a final Winner Prediction!

(They received 6 confessionals/voiceovers and 141 cuts - near the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/eUgVvzZ.png)

After multiple weeks, Tyler & Korey finally got their CP edgic! However, it was pretty mixed. They were indeed shown being their general, happy and positive selves, but their strategy at the U-Turn in addition to random comments about other teams (particularly when Tyler snapped about Cole better jumping or else the U-Turn would have been for nothing) and negative SPV garnered from Brodie & Kurt about them being sneaky was enough negative content to put them as a Mixed team. I'm not 100% keen on them winning just yet, as they've only received two CP edgics in ten our of twelve episodes, and winners generally have had a good mix by now, but it's enough to consider them as technically #4 (out of five teams left not including Brodie & Kurt :lol:) on the Winning Contenders and going on my radar for the first time. Good job guys!

(They received 14 confessionals/voiceovers and 205 cuts - the strongest visibility of the episode.)

(http://i.imgur.com/EY7msNJ.png)

Dana & Matt are still not winning. This leg, instead of the redemption edit we got teased on in Dubai, they were shown as still more or less the same team they were in their peak legs - mixed, bickering, and not 100% visible. They, particularly Dana, were extremely up and down this week and served not much purpose but to show up for narration and alternating positive and negative content. They were teased a redemption arc but nothing has popped up to support this foreshadowing. I'm sorry to say that these two are still not winning, and with Tyler & Korey getting a good upgrade this week, these two remain as the only team that is STILL not winning The Amazing Race 28.

(They received 7 confessionals/voiceovers and 123 cuts - right on the median.)

(http://i.imgur.com/Zg26cB7.png)

It's too bad that this week was Brodie & Kurt's time to go, but then, they were certainly edited to be a 'shock boot'. By being always shown on camera and having generally good edits, Brodie & Kurt were frontrunners... and then despite having the same strong edit they usually have, they were eliminated. I have nothing much to say other than if they were winning, they would certainly still be on the Winning Contenders. But as they are now gone... RIP Brodie & Kurt, the SEVENTH team eliminated from The Amazing Race 28! :torche

(They received 13 confessionals/voiceovers and 188 cuts, the second biggest edit of the episode!)

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode 10 Analysis on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 04, 2016, 09:47:30 AM

Again, let me know if you think I messed up somewhere! :hrt:

Since next week is before the finale, I'll DEFINITELY make sure the Edgic next week has my final thoughts on who wins with additional notes popping up at the bottom like the first few legs! :tup:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode 10 Analysis on Page 5!)
Post by: j.s45 on May 04, 2016, 03:27:43 PM

lol @ brodie and kurt still being winner contenders even though they're eliminated

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode 10 Analysis on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 04, 2016, 05:29:42 PM

Quote from: j.s45 on May 04, 2016, 03:27:43 PM

lol @ brodie and kurt still being winner contenders even though they're eliminated

Italics= Booted :tup:

I take note of that despite elims happening!
(If I didn't, assume Tyler & Korey are the third)

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode 10 Analysis on Page 5!)
Post by: ghmorello on May 04, 2016, 06:53:13 PM

Quote from: j.s45 on May 04, 2016, 03:27:43 PM

lol @ brodie and kurt still being winner contenders even though they're eliminated

Did you just register on this site to criticize the edgic?

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (Episode 10 Analysis on Page 5!)
Post by: j.s45 on May 04, 2016, 07:52:15 PM

Did you just register on this site to criticize the edgic?
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all i said was lol. we've moved on.

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 06, 2016, 08:26:32 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/x5tbix4.png)

Episode #11:

Notes:

• This Edgic contains everything, except the flashbacks. These "Final Three" confessionals are ultimately a point of discussion of this Edgic as well since they are part of the episode.
• This Edgic was derived after four viewings! (one live, one after, one with my cousins, and one with my mom :lol:)
• There were also a grand total of 30 confessionals/voiceovers and 672 cuts.

Team-By-Team Analysis:

(http://i.imgur.com/pSjp6go.png)

Sheri & Cole surge yet again into CP territory. This leg, they were shown as nothing but extremely positive, and like last leg, they served to be the characters that were "over and above the drama". Throughout the leg, we got Sheri and Cole shown as positive. If one thought the other couldn't do well, then they would encourage each other. This, coupled with several visual and auditory cues (the weird holy music and subsequent "OMG I GOT IT" moment when Sheri found the Vatican at the Roadblock + that entire Pit Stop segment) prove one thing without a doubt. Sheri & Cole were positive. HOWEVER, unlike last leg, their positive edit was one which had rich content in it, which was why they were given the CPP edgic.

Throughout the leg, we always saw Sheri & Cole and their ideas. We always had their commentary on everything in the leg, every decision they did, and we always knew how they were thinking in the leg. They were complex characters, and they served to bring their story forward, which is, again, "Sheri & Cole are over the other teams' drama and will not indulge in it". They were fooled by Tyler & Korey, but they did not dish out any negative content towards the latter. Not only that, the closest thing they ever came to trash-talking another team in the leg (unlike the other three teams in the episode who had something negative to say about each other) was during the "Final Three" segment where they say that Dana & Matt may lose because of their bickering and that's it. Sheri & Cole were extremely complex characters and were DEFINITELY CPP5, and the best edit of the episode.

Basically, for this final analysis of the season, I'm happy to say that Sheri & Cole may very well be just pronounced the winners right now. Sheri & Cole, all-in-all, are shown as the underdogs (even said by the other teams). They are also being portrayed as: a team that doesn't cause drama, a team that is shown with inspirational music, and a team that is meant to bring out positive feeling from its audience and never gave up despite what seemed to be their hopeless scenario (which was pretty much stuck in last place for the entirety of this leg). I really do not like bringing out unaired stuff from the Race, because this is an analysis of the Episodes and not the Secret Scenes,  but even Sheri's big collapse in Dubai (which was in the mid-season preview yet was NOT in the episode nor the Secret Scenes) was edited out because many people (aka regular viewers) treat crying on this show as negative.

Overall, if Sheri & Cole win, it will be a very well-deserved and well-fought win for the sake of the audience watching it and to draw out feelings of joy from its audience. Sheri & Cole are 95% winning in my book.

(They received 8 confessionals/voiceovers and 203 cuts - the second most visible edit of the episode but the best edit overall of the episode!)

(http://i.imgur.com/eUgVvzZ.png)

What's the reason, however, for not saying Sheri & Cole 100% win? It's Tyler & Korey. This leg, no doubt about it, Tyler & Korey were central characters. We always saw what they did, how they wanted to do what they did, and their comments throughout. However, this may be construed as negative as a lot of them involves them being "sneaky", their random comments about wanting another team out while everyone else has said nothing, and Tyler receiving a lot of negative SPV from Burnie & Ashley. But the question is... why are they number three (now two because Burnie & Ashley were tied with Sheri & Cole for winning odds) and still having a chance of winning? Well, it's one thing. It's the Laura & Tyler factor (TAR26).

On TAR26, the winners were heavily implied to be Hayley & Blair or Mike & Rochelle before the finale. At this point, Laura & Tyler had several weak and negative episodes after their strong CP appearances early on in the Race. However, they got (no matter how negatively toned) strong CP edits near the end and still won The Amazing Race. This is why I don't have Sheri & Cole as 100% winning. Had Laura & Tyler not won, I would not be writing this right now, and I would say the former is 100% winning. But since they did win, this brings to mind the closing of a story (this season) with two scenarios.

Throughout this season, Tyler & Korey served as plain narrative characters early on in the Race and morphed into (arguably) the "villain" of the season. Tyler & Korey's race record is arguably impressive, but this show loves to show (as of recent) the resultant of the phrase "pride cometh before a fall". This has shown up particularly in Justin & Diana boasting about how they would finish and then failing to win the finale and crying to a second place finish or Brooke & Robbie boasting and getting pissed about Amy & Maya still being in it and self-destructing in the finale. Tyler's final confessionals this episode also include him saying that they've won five legs and are sure they can win. Thus, I conclude that Tyler & Korey will either self-destruct in the finale and drop to a second or third place, or end up proving their points and winning it all. Ultimately, they are winning with 5-95 odds. This means, they have a chance of winning, and a small part of me would be surprised, but if they lost and Sheri did win instead, it would definitely not be a surprise 100%.

(They received 13 confessionals/voiceovers and 249 cuts - the strongest visibility of the episode.)

(http://i.imgur.com/EY7msNJ.png)

Unlike Tyler & Korey and Sheri & Cole, however, there is one team that is definitely not winning. And that team is Dana & Matt. On a leg filled with drama and competition from three teams, Dana & Matt were reduced to background characters. It's very interesting to note as well that throughout the leg, Dana was mainly shown doing the Roadblock with Tyler physically, but Tyler would dish out almost all the confessionals and ideas through the leg. One of the most glaring examples is on the way to the Pit Stop when they were racing for first with Tyler & Korey.

Quote

THE SCENE IN THE EPISODE:

Tyler & Korey
@TylerOakley/@KoreyKuhl

Tyler: I was so glad we didn't do the unicycle Detour. The painting Detour was so much harder than we expected...
Korey: Yeah.
Tyler:  Hopefully the other Detour trips up Burnie & Ashley and gives Sheri & Cole a chance to catch up and be the Comeback Kids today.

*cut to Dana & Matt who are also on their way to the Pit Stop*

Dana & Matt
@DanaAlexaNY/@MattSteffanina

Matt: I just want to see Phil and hear any number less than four.

*the show cuts to Sheri & Cole then doing the Scooter Detour and when we DO return, Tyler is easily shown as winning the leg and Dana & Matt just shown as being lost and stumbling to the Pit Stop*.

See the major difference? In this scene, Tyler & Korey are portrayed as the team that is savvy about the game (no matter how negative they were for this leg) and is given a chance to voice out their thoughts and emotions about the current situation they are in. Dana & Matt, however, are barely given a voice and just exist to narrate a little and to have Dana be the negative person dragging the more positive Matt along.

This leg was also no different. We saw Dana at the beginning of the leg arguing with Matt with no context, she then took part with Tyler in his Burnie & Ashley trash-talk at the Roadblock, and then finally, she lashed out at Matt during the Detour despite nothing the former team member doing wrong being shown. This, coupled with negative SPV towards Dana, gives them a MORN edgic and are the weakest in the Final Three. If they won, I would be legitimately surprised lol. These two are STILL NOT winning.

In addition, there is also literally nothing of note shown about them in the Final Three segment. While Tyler & Korey have had their 'best moments' shown (from their leg win in Colombia all the way to them doing the Chicken Detour just last leg), and Sheri & Cole had them as well (they had footage of them as far as Dubai shown), Dana & Matt coast by with footage from only their FIRST TWO episodes (their leg win and their arguing in Colombia) coupled with a random shot of them holding hands in Indonesia (in which actually only popped up for five seconds on the actual episode in contrast to the shortened footage of the other two teams which ran for longer!).

Ultimately, I think the footage best corresponds with Matt says.

In the final part of the episode, Matt says: "I think that we're absolutely capable of winning and we proved from the very first leg that we had the potential." This is shockingly accurate to how they were edited on the Race. Yes, they had potential after winning the first leg. But then, their edit just kept devolving and devolving and hitting new lows (their OTTNs, and ultimately, getting a UTR1 edit in the FINAL SIX. They had a redemption arc teased in Dubai, but it never came to fruition.). Ultimately, again, Dana & Matt are NOT winning The Amazing Race 28 and if they ever win, consider it a unique one-time scenario for this new post-24 era of The Amazing Race.

(They received 5 confessionals/voiceovers and 158 cuts - literally falling short of the median of 168!)

(http://i.imgur.com/3RjoatK.png)

After these heavy walls of text going in-depth of the other teams, it's unfortunate that Burnie & Ashley had to go. They were easily tied with Sheri & Cole for having the most content. Yes, the former have the positivity (literally!) of being a generally positively-edited team. However, Burnie & Ashley's edgic throughout the Race was eerily similar to Kelsey & Joey, and had they been in the finale, I would have given them a 50/50 chance of winning with Sheri. But as it stands, they serve as a shock boot in the vein of 4th/5th placers like Tiffany & Krista, Mike & Rochelle, Brodie & Kurt, and Kym & Alli.

Ultimately... RIP Burnie & Ashley, the FINAL team eliminated from The Amazing Race 28! :torche

(They received 4 confessionals/voiceovers and 182 cuts - above the median but not quite the level of Sheri or Tyler.)

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 07, 2016, 07:42:30 AM

The final Edgic of the season as well as a poll has been put up!  :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Again, feel free to comment about what you think I got right or wrong.

Easy to say, whether I'm right or wrong, doing this thread has been so much fun and thank you everyone reading this!  :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

(PS if I'm right this is gonna be 2-0 to my record (Kelsey & Joey were a team I got right), if not it'll be 1-1! :lol:)

Title: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 07, 2016, 07:43:28 AM

In addition, yes, I posted early so it wouldn't look like I'm basing my stuff on soon to come previews and sneak peeks and such lol. =P

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 07, 2016, 05:54:16 PM

PS I just realised that finale writeup has about 1.5k words :lol:

WHEW that was a lot o.O

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: Marionete on May 08, 2016, 04:26:42 AM

Reading your Edgic gives me a LOT more hope that Sheri & Cole can win, which I've wanted since mid-race after seeing that my pre-race and early race favourites Dana & Matt had no chance.
BUT, I'm still inclined to think that Tyler & Korey have more of a winner's edit for some reason ??? I'm not analysing the episodes and the edits as thoroughly as you are obviously, but they just give me winner's vibes?
It may be because I see a Tyler & Korey win more probable performance-wise and they are not edited in a way that casuals would hate them winning, but we'll see.

I'm still very surprised you're writiting them off so much and not giving at least 70/30 odds.. :P

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 08, 2016, 04:34:38 AM

Quote from: Marionete on May 08, 2016, 04:26:42 AM

Reading your Edgic gives me a LOT more hope that Sheri & Cole can win, which I've wanted since mid-race after seeing that my pre-race and early race favourites Dana & Matt had no chance.

BUT, I'm still inclined to think that Tyler & Korey have more of a winner's edit for some reason ??? I'm not analysing the episodes and the edits as thoroughly as you are obviously, but they just give me winner's vibes?
It may be because I see a Tyler & Korey win more probable performance-wise and they are not edited in a way that casuals would hate them winning, but we'll see.

I'm still very surprised you're writiting them off so much and not giving at least 70/30 odds.. :P

In regards to Tyler & Korey, it's just purely because they only had one CP edit and have only begun getting more of them from the past two legs :tup: Recent winners have had many surges of CP-MOR territory, but Tyler & Korey have dipped in the CP pool very little this season compared to the past three winners (Amaya had 5 on the way to the finale because of their chain of getting screentime from Leg 8 always showing their strategy and such, Laura/Tyler had four by the time Leg 7 hit, and Kelsey & Joey five before the finale. In contrast, Tyler only has three (Leg 4/10/11).)

Additionally, (even though I really do not like talking outside the episodes) casuals were actually pissed off at them (and Burnie & Ashley) for the past two episodes. Tyler is just good at damage control by posting on the TAR Facebook page and making his fans' likes and comments of love quickly overpower the negativity. If you actually check the recent posts, the top comments are one of praising Sheri and one saying they hope Dana & Matt and them lose but I digress!

I'm not 100% writing them off though hence the 10% and they could still win lol :P

Thanks for commenting! ;D (I didn't see any comments and wondered if I spent the time writing about 1.5k words for nothing :lol:)

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: Jobby on May 08, 2016, 04:41:37 AM

I'm giving a 100% Tyler and Korey are winning, Dana and Matt second, Sheri and Cole third.  :funny:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 10, 2016, 08:59:04 PM

Quote from: Jobby on May 08, 2016, 04:41:37 AM

I'm giving a 100% Tyler and Korey are winning, Dana and Matt second, Sheri and Cole third.  :funny:

We'll find out Friday! :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: Bookworm on May 10, 2016, 09:20:05 PM

In terms of edit, Sheri & Cole seem like winners, I agree with you there. But I just don't know how they'll do it :lol: Fingers crossed!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 10, 2016, 09:21:18 PM

Quote from: Bookworm on May 10, 2016, 09:20:05 PM

In terms of edit, Sheri & Cole seem like winners, I agree with you there. But I just don't know how they'll do it :lol: Fingers crossed!

Agreed so much Bookworm, the only thing that could probably not make them win is their Race performance  :funny:

(fun fact if they win they dethrone GGF for worst average of a TARUS winner ever)

Let's see!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: Marionete on May 11, 2016, 07:15:27 AM

When will you reveal the votes of this poll?

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: georgiapeach on May 11, 2016, 07:55:33 AM

GGF? ???

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 11, 2016, 07:58:39 AM

Quote from: georgiapeach on May 11, 2016, 07:55:33 AM

GGF? ???

Gay Goat Farmers aka Josh & Brent lol.

Quote from: Marionete on May 11, 2016, 07:15:27 AM

When will you reveal the votes of this poll?

It's expiring in 24 hours so tomorrow! :P

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 12, 2016, 06:16:26 PM

The poll results are out and it looks like a lot of people agree with me that Sheri & Cole are most likely to win.

See you all in 24 hours when the winner is revealed and I post the final Edgic chart!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: Marionete on May 13, 2016, 01:38:14 AM

I'm surprised more people don't think Tyler & Korey are winning. I do. :P

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: Lemontail on May 13, 2016, 02:46:07 AM

Quote from: Marionete on May 13, 2016, 01:38:14 AM

I'm surprised more people don't think Tyler & Korey are winning. I do. :P

Basically the Tyler curse needs to be broken.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: elthemagnifico on May 13, 2016, 04:19:35 AM

Quote from: Marionete on May 13, 2016, 01:38:14 AM

I'm surprised more people don't think Tyler & Korey are winning. I do. :P

I think their votes mostly bias on the love able or like able team instead of the performance and/or editing...

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: TAR789 on May 13, 2016, 08:38:50 AM

Just want to say that it was really fun reading your edgic. So much work put into it and it was awesome! :hearts: Hope you continue next season!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 13, 2016, 09:13:38 AM

Quote from: TAR789 on May 13, 2016, 08:38:50 AM

Just want to say that it was really fun reading your edgic. So much work put into it and it was awesome! :hearts: Hope you continue next season!

Thanks TAR789! I did post some of them a bit late, but overall I had fun :lol:

No matter the result in less than 12 hours, I'm definitely going to go into 29 and continue this thread, and preferably make it spoiler-free for not just readers but also me as well! :tup:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: Zack. on May 13, 2016, 02:00:08 PM

I enjoyed reading as well! I might not have gotten as much out from spoilers (i.e. dismissing Burnie & Ashley based on the second places spoiler) but it was well-done!  :yess:

Were you going to do any of the old seasons between 28 and 29? Even though the results are known, the more data there is, the better a prediction or analysis that can be made(if you do this then I'd start from TAR 14 as the editing noticeably shifts).

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 13, 2016, 07:53:18 PM

1-1! (I'm wrong!) :lol:

See you next season  :hearts:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: Bookworm on May 13, 2016, 07:58:59 PM

Now I understand why Dana was so upset with her edit! Quite odd for a winner!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: Jobby on May 13, 2016, 08:00:13 PM

Quote from: Bookworm on May 13, 2016, 07:58:59 PM

Now I understand why Dana was so upset with her edit! Quite odd for a winner!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 13, 2016, 08:09:06 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/0XKVblq.png)

See you next season!  :hearts:

1-1 right/wrong! (Kelsey & Joey right for 27, Dana & Matt wrong for 28).

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (I Predict The Winner on Page 5!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 13, 2016, 08:10:33 PM

Quote from: Jobby on May 13, 2016, 08:00:13 PM

Quote from: Bookworm on May 13, 2016, 07:58:59 PM

Now I understand why Dana was so upset with her edit! Quite odd for a winner!

Agreed.

Quote from: Zack. on May 13, 2016, 02:00:08 PM

I enjoyed reading as well! I might not have gotten as much out from spoilers (i.e. dismissing Burnie & Ashley based on the second places spoiler) but it was well-done!  :yess:

Were you going to do any of the old seasons between 28 and 29? Even though the results are known, the more data there is, the better a prediction or analysis that can be made(if you do this then I'd start from TAR 14 as the editing noticeably shifts).

Thanks! <3

And yup, I'm going to try, I am watching old TARs but I can't guarantee that it's going to be as detailed and accurate as this one :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 13, 2016, 09:14:03 PM

Good job to the two that got it right!  :hearts:

Also side note: I predicted that Dana & Matt were getting a redemption edit at some point (which is why I said they didn't win after they didn't get it after Dubai)... but I just REALLY did NOT expect it to be on the FINALE :lol: :lol: :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: Jobby on May 13, 2016, 09:36:25 PM

You never had Dana and Matt under winning contenders even once (me too). I think that's what upsetting and underwhelming about this season gasp.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: Declive on May 13, 2016, 11:24:06 PM

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LOL

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 14, 2016, 12:51:23 AM

Quote from: Declive on May 13, 2016, 11:24:06 PM

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LOL

:lol:

Wonder who the other one was!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: Declive on May 14, 2016, 12:55:06 AM

Yet i want to congratulate you, Gamer, for this awesome thread. Hope you'll continue it for TAR29.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 14, 2016, 03:50:20 AM

Quote from: Declive on May 14, 2016, 12:55:06 AM

Yet i want to congratulate you, Gamer, for this awesome thread. Hope you'll continue it for TAR29.

Thanks! I definitely will :tup:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: Marionete on May 14, 2016, 08:38:14 AM

What the heck, it's so hilarious that they won, I NEVER expected it :lol: Well, I did during leg 1, but never later on.
Good job Declive and the other one who got it right :tup:

Quote from: Jobby on May 13, 2016, 09:36:25 PM

You never had Dana and Matt under winning contenders even once (me too). I think that's what upsetting and underwhelming about this season gasp.

NO??
This unpredictability made the season great and I was watching the finale in full excitement like I don't recall lately.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 14, 2016, 08:48:43 AM

Quote from: Marionete on May 14, 2016, 08:38:14 AM

Quote from: Jobby on May 13, 2016, 09:36:25 PM

You never had Dana and Matt under winning contenders even once (me too). I think that's what upsetting and underwhelming about this season gasp.

NO??
This unpredictability made the season great and I was watching the finale in full excitement like I don't recall lately.

I would argue that the finale was NOT unpredictable... who stayed in first stayed in first, and second in second, etc.

But I digress, this is talking about the editing this season, and boy did they fool me! :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: Marionete on May 14, 2016, 10:15:37 AM

I meant that the winner was totally unpredictable. ;)

Besides, it was actually pretty close at times when we saw Matt & Dana making a mistake (esp. losing their taxi) and we were hinted that Sheri & Cole were gaining on them. I just expected the latter or Tyler & Korey to somehow catch-up (at the memory RB?) and win throughout the entire finale, so for me it was quite intense and not predictable. :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: georgiapeach on May 14, 2016, 01:04:49 PM

 I think the edit of the winners this year was very strange,  no wonder y'all had trouble!

It was a fun read though, thank you gamer for all the hard work!

But I think it shows too that there is NO judging possible based on "edgic"...unless the team with the worst edit is the winner!!  :colors

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: ghmorello on May 14, 2016, 01:25:26 PM

Will there be an analysis for the final leg?

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 14, 2016, 07:06:25 PM

Quote from: ghmorello on May 14, 2016, 01:25:26 PM

Will there be an analysis for the final leg?

Why would I bother when it's all over now? :lol:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: Marionete on May 15, 2016, 08:07:21 AM

I totally understand why you see no point in analysing the finale, but the teams' story arcs came full circle ya know :P

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: ghmorello on May 15, 2016, 11:55:59 AM

Quote from: gamerfan09 on May 14, 2016, 07:06:25 PM

Quote from: ghmorello on May 14, 2016, 01:25:26 PM

Will there be an analysis for the final leg?

Why would I bother when it's all over now? :lol:

But we like those write ups. 

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 28 Edgic *spoiler-free zone* (The Season is Over!)
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 16, 2016, 06:31:52 AM

k lol yolo ill BS a writeup for the next page sometime this week :lol: