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Archive => RFF Archived Boards => The Amazing Race 25 Spoilers => Topic started by: georgiapeach on September 11, 2014, 03:00:11 PM
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This is the start line video of Phil describing the new twist, "The Save".
sorry for the crabby audio, they were doing roadwork right beside him! :groan:
https://www.youtube.com/v/1S-7wDF7gdo
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It was reported from the starting crowd that Phil said it can be used up till the 9th leg, I personally did not hear him say that but makes sense.
So...do y'all LIKE this?
How do you think it works? Since NEL's are predetermined, what happens to the next to last team? Eliminated? Is that fair?
And...who do you think won it? :hearts:
Which do you prefer... an Express Pass, a Save, a salvage Pass? Why?
:talk
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Hmmmm... I know a lot of people on this board don't like the Express Pass, and I think that the Express Pass wasn't "new and exciting" anymore. I'm reserving judgement for The Save until the show airs, but I think that it it to overpowered. I liked the Express Pass, and a team who received it had to make conscious decisions when to use it, which added a mental aspect to it. What I would hate to see is if the team who got the Save made it to Leg 9 without using it. They could have easily strolled through the Singapore Leg, knowing they'd be safe, which would be very annoying.
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I really don't think it would be fair on a team who didn't come last to get eliminated. I wonder could they have a double elimination the leg after, or even a 13th leg if that is even possible? If it is used it guaranteed to provide drama :lol:
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I think if the team with the save comes last on one leg, this leg will become nel and replace the following on
For example, misty & jim got the save, and had to use on leg 6 in the final 7 which was supposed to be an elimination leg, the next nel, which was supposed to be on leg 7 in the final 6, is cancelled
That was my idea
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I liked the Express Pass, a bit sad to see it go! :P
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I am not going to judge util I see it. That said, I can't wait to see what it does.
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NEL's are predetermined though. They cannot be changed.
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NEL's are predetermined though. They cannot be changed.
It doesn't mean they couldn't amend that rule for the Save. That's what I assumed they did for the Salvage Pass in the other versions. For example...
A team used the Save on:
- An elimination leg: IF the next leg is another elimination leg, it would become a double-elimination leg.
IF the next leg is a non-elimination leg, it would become an elimination leg.
- A non-elimination leg: the team would be saved from elimation either way, and maybe their Speed Bumb would be waived.
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NEL's are predetermined though. They cannot be changed.
Tell that to Jeff & Jordan haters :funny:
I think it works like the Salvage Pass, although I wonder how it work with the Speed Bump. I can foresee some fans crying out unfair easily.
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I'm not too enthused about the Save at all. Like Bookworm said, it just seems way too overpowered.
Having said that I'm intrigued to find out when the team can use it?
- Do they have to use it at the beginning of a Leg before they Depart?
- During the Leg when they think there's a chance of being eliminated?
- Or do they just wait until Phil tells them they're the last team to arrive, and just hand it over then? ???
It's a pity the Express Pass is gone and I'll miss it, but it was getting stale, so I'll not condemn the Save until the Season airs.
As for who I think won it, I remember saying after the first Leg was finished filming, I'd put my money on Misti & Jim winning it, and I stand by that. :groan:
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For some reason I think Kym & Alli have won it :lol: If not I'm with everyone else on Misti/Jim!
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No, listen to what Phil says. It can only be used at the MAT when the team is being eliminated. Now ... does that mean when Phil actually says you are "have been eliminated"....or do they have to GUESS? Wouldn't it be something it the team only THINKS they are last but in reality aren't? :ascared
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For some reason I think Kym & Alli have won it :lol: If not I'm with everyone else on Misti/Jim!
I think that either Adam & Bethany or Misti & Jim won it.
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The devil really is in the details.
Phil said, “If you have the save and are facing elimination, and I give you the eyebrow, you just go like this (pulls save out of his pocket), unintelligable, unintelligable,unintelligable,unintelligable..."
So what does "facing elimination" mean? I think it means "potential for elimination" as in the team is told they are the last to arrive.
So the scenario is like this:
- Teams with the save arrives at matt.
- Phil says you are the last to arrive.
- Phil raises eyebrow.
- Commercial break for dramatic effect.
- Team hands over save pass.
I think the only way to handle this is to have the next elimination leg be a double elimination leg...
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No, listen to what Phil says. It can only be used at the MAT when the team is being eliminated. Now ... does that mean when Phil actually says you are "have been eliminated"....or do they have to GUESS? Wouldn't it be something it the team only THINKS they are last but in reality aren't? :ascared
Haha, I just watched the video and heard what he said. I must admit, I didn't watch the video before posting my last comment. :lol:
Now knowing it has to be used on the mat, I think the best way to handle this is for Phil to ask the team every time they arrive at the mat whether they want to use the Save or not, BEFORE telling them what position they are.
So the scenario would go like this:
1) Team arrives at mat, not knowing their position for sure.
2) Phil asks them whether they want to use the Save.
3) They must then decide whether they need to use it or not.
4) After deciding, Phil reveals what position they're in.
This would make for drama at the Pitstop, as the Team could use it and end up wasting it, or decide not to use it, and end up being eliminated. :hoot:
EDIT: Also, just to add my two cents about the chances of the 2nd last team being eliminated if the Save is used on an Elimination Leg, I honestly can't see it happen. If anything I'd say production will just make the following Leg a NEL. I would assume it'll work the same way as the Salvage Pass did in TAR Oz 2. ???
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It just occurred to me that one element of the process in the Save will be to keep the second to last team to arrive in the vicinity of the Mat for the last place team, when that team is the team with the Save.
Production and Phil will know that the team with the Save hasn't checked in yet when the second to last team arrives, and he'll be able to direct that team to wait nearby. If the leg is an NEL, then there'll be no reason to do this, because no one is being eliminated. If I'm guessing this right, the Save can't be used unless it is an elimination leg, and the team with it checks in last.
The more interesting question is what happens if the SAVE team is hit with a penalty at the mat, and has to wait out the penalty; and is the last team to be checked in as a result. Then the scenario gets a lot more interesting.
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I feel like the save winner will never be near last place anyway :funny:
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http://redshopeweekly.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/save-pass-introduced-in-tar-25/
The first time it was used was in The Amazing Race Australia 2, Ross & Tarryn used it to keep Lucy & Emilia in the race, the next leg just Adrian & Dane were eliminated when they finished last. Lucy & Emilia were not given the marked for elimination penalty.
In the Israeli version of the race, HaMerotz LaMillion (The Race to the Million in English), Ronit & Liran used it to keep Andrea & Ronnie in the race. Andrea & Ronnie were eliminated in the next leg when Ronnie suffered a leg injury while doing the roadblock. It is not clear if they would incur a penalty for coming last or not, but it is safe to assume that they didn’t.
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The save works differently as compared to the salvage pass in TAR Aussie 2?
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Nice Reds!! :tup:
But the way I understood Phil...it can ONLY be used to save yourself, not anyone else, so yes different from the Salvage Pass, Jobby.
What we do not seem to know since Phil says... ' "I am giving you the eyebrow" so you pull it out' ....is the team able to use it after the 'you have been eliminated' words....or must they assume they are being eliminated? (or am I just obsessing? :funny: )
And we do not know yet how this will affect the next to last team. I like what WP says though...
The devil really is in the details.
Phil said, “If you have the save and are facing elimination, and I give you the eyebrow, you just go like this (pulls save out of his pocket), unintelligable, unintelligable,unintelligable,unintelligable..."
So what does "facing elimination" mean? I think it means "potential for elimination" as in the team is told they are the last to arrive.
So the scenario is like this:
- Teams with the save arrives at matt.
- Phil says you are the last to arrive.
- Phil raises eyebrow.
- Commercial break for dramatic effect.
- Team hands over save pass.
I think the only way to handle this is to have the next elimination leg be a double elimination leg...
And this!! LOL At least until leg 9 if that info is correct.
I feel like the save winner will never be near last place anyway :funny:
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Personally, the "Save" card is so much better than the tired Double Express Passes. I think the ideal scenario for the use of the new twist may go something like this.
Team-Z arrives on mat. Phil says their names and pauses with a eyebrow lift. Team-Z immediately pulls out their "Save" before Phil gives the team their official Pit Stop placement.
In this type of sequence, it doesn't guarantee the team is last and if they arrived last on a predetermined non-elimination Leg, the card is wasted, end of story. Otherwise, if the team happens to arrive last on an elimination Leg, the card will work it's magic.
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Personally, the "Save" card is so much better than the tired Double Express Passes. I think the ideal scenario for the use of the new twist may go something like this.
Team-Z arrives on mat. Phil says their names and pauses with a eyebrow lift. Team-Z immediately pulls out their "Save" before Phil gives the team their official Pit Stop placement.
In this type of sequence, it doesn't guarantee the team is last and if they arrived last on a predetermined non-elimination Leg, the card is wasted, end of story. Otherwise, if the team happens to arrive last on an elimination Leg, the card will work it's magic.
This is exactly how it should go. My only change to this would be for Phil just too ask them whether they want to use it or not, before revealing their placement.
Hopefully it's just not as overpowered as I think it'll be. :groan:
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I've never been a fan of salvage, express or save features. It seems that those teams that win them are ones that have an athletic advantage or get on an earlier flight. The first leg is a warm-up round for most teams and there's often a lot luck on who the top teams are. Conversely, who ever checks in last on the first leg is often poor performing on multiple levels.
I would like TAR to create a time bank (or credit) feature where on the first 5 legs, teams get a 1-shot opportunity at the bath mat to declare they want to "bank" 15 minutes. Thus, they have to wait out that time before getting checked in. Some teams might decide to forfeit a first prize, just to have 15 minutes on a future leg. The "banked" time can only be used on future designated legs (but not the final 2 legs), where they have to redeem their time credit before Phil tells them their placement.
Ultimately, the time bank feature is available to all teams (except any eliminated team on the first leg) and they have to gamble losing time early in the race, so they can add time later when they have choked on task, got lost, stuck in traffic, etc. Of course, teams will forfeit their credit if they tell another team -- need to have some suspense, too!
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I LOVE that idea Zzunk!! Doesn't hurt another team, would require good strategy and some nerves, helps minimize the equalizers...
:like:
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The save works differently as compared to the salvage pass in TAR Aussie 2?
Yes. The Save basically allows a team to save themselves, whereas the salvage pass allows one team to save another team.
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I like the two Express Passes rule. Or the simple one , with just one. Those are the best ones for me.
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I like that they're introducing a new twist. It's always interesting for the viewers, especially the average ones (not super-fans). It's the same on Survivor - some twists work, some don't, but they just HAVE TO take those risks.
Let's just wait for it to play out. Of course, the save being overpowered is everyone's big concern, but I hope the producers took that into account.
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This twist sounds really exciting, but at the same time, just as it was repeatedly mentioned, it is too overpowered. I think its effect should only be until Leg 5, 6, or 7.
On how it will work with NELs, I can't guess it properly.
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Is the Save similar to HII or the Bug Idol in Survivor 28?
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Is the Save similar to HII or the Bug Idol in Survivor 28?
Umm... well... you can put it that way, I guess :funny:
Immunity idols have to be played before the votes are read (the normal ones), but we just gotta wait and see how the save will play out - whether that team has to guess if they are last and need to use it, or if they are told that they are in last place and then can just pull out the save (that would be pretty similar to the TP idol). *-:)
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Is the Save similar to HII or the Bug Idol in Survivor 28?
Umm... well... you can put it that way, I guess :funny:
Immunity idols have to be played before the votes are read (the normal ones), but we just gotta wait and see how the save will play out - whether that team has to guess if they are last and need to use it, or if they are told that they are in last place and then can just pull out the save (that would be pretty similar to the TP idol). *-:)
I think there is that HII element of playing it before the results are told. I think Phil said video that peach posted somthing along the lines of: "When I do this (does the world famous eyebrow rase), all you have to do is this (indicates handing over the pass) and you continue racing".
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Yeah, we can assume that the team has to guess their placement, but we'll learn how it really is in the premiere :P
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Hmmmm... I know a lot of people on this board don't like the Express Pass, and I think that the Express Pass wasn't "new and exciting" anymore. I'm reserving judgement for The Save until the show airs, but I think that it it to overpowered. I liked the Express Pass, and a team who received it had to make conscious decisions when to use it, which added a mental aspect to it. What I would hate to see is if the team who got the Save made it to Leg 9 without using it. They could have easily strolled through the Singapore Leg, knowing they'd be safe, which would be very annoying.
This im reserving Judgement until we get a true definition of it but if it can be used after Phil Utters the words you are the last team to arrive & have been Eliminated. I think then it's overpowered & not right just like the Idol Tony had in the past season of survivor where it could be played after the votes were read.
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Can the save be give away to another team?
In this video Phil asks Jim&Misti "What are the chances that you'll giving that save away?"
The Amazing Race - Leaders of the Pack
Married dentists Misti & Jim want to break Dave & Rachel's record for the most legs won, and won't be giving away the Save.
https://www.youtube.com/v/XTzGtHkWZms&list=UUPY3wSqgeErW9AI5qPLcLUA
Didn't know that was part of the rules of the save, and did not heard Phil talk about that while talking about it in the Starting Line. ???
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Oh I didn't see that one! Wow.....
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Can the save be give away to another team?
In this video Phil asks Jim&Misti "What are the chances that you'll giving that save away?"
The Amazing Race - Leaders of the Pack
Married dentists Misti & Jim want to break Dave & Rachel's record for the most legs won, and won't be giving away the Save.
https://www.youtube.com/v/XTzGtHkWZms&list=UUPY3wSqgeErW9AI5qPLcLUA
Didn't know that was part of the rules of the save, and did not heard Phil talk about that while talking about it in the Starting Line. ???
If Misti & Jim don't want to give away the Save, that's probably why we never heard that you could give it away. Giving away the Save won't be an option, so it just isn't mentioned.
Personally, I have no problems at the moment with the Save.
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If Misti & Jim don't want to give away the Save, that's probably why we never heard that you could give it away. Giving away the Save won't be an option, so it just isn't mentioned.
Personally, I have no problems at the moment with the Save.
I agree, the Save is not as powerful as it sounds, it only gives them the opportunity to recover on their first bad leg, to me that sounds like a good prize for winning the first leg.
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Rule #1...you get it BACK if it is a NEL!!
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I don't like that rule at all...
Imo, the rule should be:
If the save is used on an EL, it saves the team from elimination.
If the save is used on an NEL, it exempts the team from the speed bump (but is used up).
If the save is used on a TBC/KOR... well i don't know about this one....
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I don't like that rule at all...
Imo, the rule should be:
If the save is used on an EL, it saves the team from elimination.
If the save is used on an NEL, it exempts the team from the speed bump (but is used up).
If the save is used on a TBC/KOR... well i don't know about this one....
As much as I hate the idea of giving the Save back to the team, I think doing so would fit this scenario.
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I have been thinking that if you played it...whether it turned out you needed it or not...it was GONE.
:haha
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An open letter to the Save twist...
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/2a32616ab45fd019250f00d1fc5f58e0/tumblr_mv1zm4s6Ga1scdjbno1_1280.jpg)
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THE SAVE SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY IF THE TEAM CHOOSE TO USE IT!!! Simply, teams with the save will NEVER get eliminated in the first two-third of the race. Well, in the team perspective, it is way too awesome, cause you are guarantee to visit at minimum of 4 countries. =/
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Basically, production made the Save a forcefield, instead of a free-pass ticket like the Express Pass. Handing the card over is just a formality, since they receive it back when they don't actually need to use it (which I assume also applies if Misti & Jim hands it over even though they weren't actually last). If this is also true, they could just keep giving it over and over to Phil up to Leg 9.
Now I whole-heartedly agree that it's WAY too powerful. :res: I wonder if production did this intentionally with or without thinking the amount of safety they are giving to a team... However, not every team that wins the first leg are always front runners, but still :(
I think this leg was Misti & Jim's Romania leg (in reference to Tammy & Victor in season 14, where they never left the Top 3 during the whole Race except for their disastrous Romania leg), I think they would never need to use it again. (I would eat my words if this event happens again though... :-[)
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Basically, production made the Save a forcefield, instead of a free-pass ticket like the Express Pass. Handing the card over is just a formality, since they receive it back when they don't actually need to use it (which I assume also applies if Misti & Jim hands it over even though they weren't actually last). If this is also true, they could just keep giving it over and over to Phil up to Leg 9.
Now I whole-heartedly agree that it's WAY too powerful. :res: I wonder if production did this intentionally with or without thinking the amount of safety they are giving to a team... However, not every team that wins the first leg are always front runners, but still :(
I think this leg was Misti & Jim's Romania and Paraguay leg (in reference to Tammy & Victor in season 14 and Rachel & Dave in season 20, where they never placed below the 3rd place (2th place for Rachel & Dave with the exception of 4th place Germany leg) during the whole Race except for their disastrous Romania leg and Paraguay leg respectively), I think they would never need to use it again. (I would eat my words if this event happens again though... :-[)
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On how it will work with NELs, I can't guess it properly.
After watching the episode, I learned... :funny:
I just wished that they took a lesson from Survivor and made the HII be played BEFORE the vote and NOT after a vote. So, it's like you arrive at the pit-stop (and Phil doesn't even tell you your ranking) and if you decide to use it, then you will be SAVED. If you don't use it, unless it's a NEL, then you will be eliminated.
It makes it fairer this way. If not it's just a free pass to keep one already strong team all the way till the end. Imagine all the teams like Debbie and Bianca, Allison and Donny etc who won the first leg could have helped themselves throughout the race with such a big reward. This pass is even better than the Double Your Money lame twist that Abbie and Ryan had. I bet they will take THE SAVE any day.
I was thinking of the same thing, so I strongly agree. :tup:
I have to quote these here.
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I don't mind Misti & Jim getting the Save handed back to them since it was an NEL. I was just happy that Jim got a major reality check.
And I would have liked seeing Debbie & Bianca get the Save. Alison & Donny ... not so much. I didn't like Alison from Big Brother, that's why.
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I. DON'T. LIKE. IT! (:;)
And I really hope this is the only season to include it. Hopefully production will see how overpowered it actually is, and decide against bringing it back next Season. OR at least change the way it's used if it does return.
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The "terms and conditions" of the Save seem not to be fully explained by the producers. It would be great if they provided more explicit details and not leave us guessing and speculating.
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Is there an Ask Phil twitter segment for the next episode while viewers watch the episode together with Phil?
Can someone ask him personally whether he thinks the SAVE is unfair and that it should actually be removed from a team once a team decided to use it, regardless NEL or not?
I really really dislike how THE SAVE was played out this season. And that's not because it's Misti and Jim. Let's say if THE SAVE had gone to Tim and Te Jay on the first leg, then last leg they decided to use it because they struggled madly, then Phil hand it back to them because they're not last...
I would have been pissed too. If you use it, it means you use it!
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The "terms and conditions" of the Save seem not to be fully explained by the producers. It would be great if they provided more explicit details and not leave us guessing and speculating.
Exactly! There should have been a full explanation for the Viewers at the Starting Line. I'm pretty certain Phil thoroughly explained how the Save works to the teams, but editing just cut it out when it aired. :'(
The worst thing any show can do is confuse it's audience, and leave them clueless, especially when the Save is such a big part of the Season. :res:
And if that wasn't an option, at least give more info about it on the website.
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An open letter to the Save twist...
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/2a32616ab45fd019250f00d1fc5f58e0/tumblr_mv1zm4s6Ga1scdjbno1_1280.jpg)
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The "terms and conditions" of the Save seem not to be fully explained by the producers. It would be great if they provided more explicit details and not leave us guessing and speculating.
Exactly! There should have been a full explanation for the Viewers at the Starting Line. I'm pretty certain Phil thoroughly explained how the Save works to the teams, but editing just cut it out when it aired. :'(
The worst thing any show can do is confuse it's audience, and leave them clueless, especially when the Save is such a big part of the Season. :res:
And if that wasn't an option, at least give more info about it on the website.
Nope. I was there. What you heard on TV was EXACTLY what we (and the racers heard) at the start. Only less clearly, it was so noisy there!
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I'm pretty sure Misti and Jim or the racers were subsequently provided more info about the SAVE. In fact, maybe instructions of usage were even included inside the SAVE PASS?
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Basically, production made the Save a forcefield, instead of a free-pass ticket like the Express Pass. Handing the card over is just a formality, since they receive it back when they don't actually need to use it (which I assume also applies if Misti & Jim hands it over even though they weren't actually last). If this is also true, they could just keep giving it over and over to Phil up to Leg 9.
So why are people mad at this? Even if they keep handing it over when they're not last, they don't need the save since they are just saving themselves by their own effort. The Save doesn't allow them to have a lead, and it's not something that has given them any benefits. Everybody keeps acting as though the save is a power that's always active, but it's not, it's something that can only be used once. If the team doesn't need it, it means that they're good racers and deserve to still be in the race, if they get saved by a NEL then they're lucky like everyone else. How is that overpowered? How is that different from being saved by two NELs? The Dentists are already going to face a Speedbump, the same penalty any other team would have gotten. Why should they have received an additional penalty?
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Because The Save should been a one-time pass that is based on the team's decision to use it on a circumstance they think they will be eliminated. Just like the EP. Simple as that. It's never about the NEL.
But it's not. If it had been that, then the dentists pass gets burnt on Leg 4 and they are no longer guaranteed safety on Leg 5 onwards. Now that the pass is returned to them... it's another story you see.
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The "terms and conditions" of the Save seem not to be fully explained by the producers. It would be great if they provided more explicit details and not leave us guessing and speculating.
Exactly! There should have been a full explanation for the Viewers at the Starting Line. I'm pretty certain Phil thoroughly explained how the Save works to the teams, but editing just cut it out when it aired. :'(
The worst thing any show can do is confuse it's audience, and leave them clueless, especially when the Save is such a big part of the Season. :res:
And if that wasn't an option, at least give more info about it on the website.
Nope. I was there. What you heard on TV was EXACTLY what we (and the racers heard) at the start. Only less clearly, it was so noisy there!
They should've made a video explaining the rules of the Save, and then post it on YouTube.
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Basically, production made the Save a forcefield, instead of a free-pass ticket like the Express Pass. Handing the card over is just a formality, since they receive it back when they don't actually need to use it (which I assume also applies if Misti & Jim hands it over even though they weren't actually last). If this is also true, they could just keep giving it over and over to Phil up to Leg 9.
So why are people mad at this? Even if they keep handing it over when they're not last, they don't need the save since they are just saving themselves by their own effort. The Save doesn't allow them to have a lead, and it's not something that has given them any benefits. Everybody keeps acting as though the save is a power that's always active, but it's not, it's something that can only be used once. If the team doesn't need it, it means that they're good racers and deserve to still be in the race, if they get saved by a NEL then they're lucky like everyone else. How is that overpowered? How is that different from being saved by two NELs? The Dentists are already going to face a Speedbump, the same penalty any other team would have gotten. Why should they have received an additional penalty?
The save will only expire on the 9th leg. :res: That's one thing I don't like. If I could suggest on what leg it should expire, I would say 4, 5, or 6. Leg 9 is WAY TOO late.
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Let's say if THE SAVE had gone to Tim and Te Jay on the first leg, then last leg they decided to use it because they struggled madly, then Phil hand it back to them because they're not last...
I would have been pissed too. If you use it, it means you use it!
THAT. Yeah, I think if they had the Save, it should've been burned as long as they handed it over.
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I think the reason why the Save is given back to the team in case of a NEL , it's because , maybe , if you use the save in a elimination leg , you won't have to face a Speed Bumb on the next leg. But , if it is an NEL , you keep the Save but face the Speed Bumb.
We don't know the rules but it might be this.
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I think the reason why the Save is given back to the team in case of a NEL , it's because , maybe , if you use the save in a elimination leg , you won't have to face a Speed Bumb on the next leg. But , if it is an NEL , you keep the Save but face the Speed Bumb.
We don't know the rules but it might be this.
Or maybe the team in front of you gets eliminated if you use the Save on an elimination leg. If it's an NEL, no team's eliminated so you get to keep the Save.
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I think the reason why the Save is given back to the team in case of a NEL , it's because , maybe , if you use the save in a elimination leg , you won't have to face a Speed Bumb on the next leg. But , if it is an NEL , you keep the Save but face the Speed Bumb.
We don't know the rules but it might be this.
Or maybe the team in front of you gets eliminated if you use the Save on an elimination leg. If it's an NEL, no team's eliminated so you get to keep the Save.
So 3 possibilities on a Elimination Leg :
1. You use the SAVE , counts as a NEL and no need for Speed Bumb.
2. You use the SAVE , counts as a NEL and do a Speed Bumb next leg.
3. You use the SAVE and eliminated the next team ahead of you.
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I think the reason why the Save is given back to the team in case of a NEL , it's because , maybe , if you use the save in a elimination leg , you won't have to face a Speed Bumb on the next leg. But , if it is an NEL , you keep the Save but face the Speed Bumb.
We don't know the rules but it might be this.
Or maybe the team in front of you gets eliminated if you use the Save on an elimination leg. If it's an NEL, no team's eliminated so you get to keep the Save.
So 3 possibilities on a Elimination Leg :
1. You use the SAVE , counts as a NEL and no need for Speed Bumb.
2. You use the SAVE , counts as a NEL and do a Speed Bumb next leg.
3. You use the SAVE and eliminated the next team ahead of you.
2 doesn't work logistics wise because then production would have to have a Speed Bump Planned for every leg (in case the Save is used) which costs way too much money and effort.
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Let's say if THE SAVE had gone to Tim and Te Jay on the first leg, then last leg they decided to use it because they struggled madly, then Phil hand it back to them because they're not last...
I would have been pissed too. If you use it, it means you use it!
THAT. Yeah, I think if they had the Save, it should've been burned as long as they handed it over.
For one, it's not called "Immunity Pass", it's the "Save". It doesn't bestow immunity, it undoes an elimination, they wouldn't have been able to use it this leg since it was a non-elimination. However, I think if they used it on an Elimination Leg and they weren't last, the team who gets last in said leg is spared instead, therefore "burning" the save on another team. That, to me, sounds the fairest.
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I don't think it works that way :( It seems like the SAVE is for their own purpose only..
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So the Save's rules (based on some assumptions) are:
1) It can be given to another team, but does not affect another team when used.
2) If used when not in last place or in last place on a non-elimination leg, they would get the Save back.
3) If used when last on an elimination leg, they would be Saved. If the next leg is a non-elimination leg, it would turn into an elimination leg (net loss: a wasted planned Speed Bump). If the next leg is an elimination leg, it would turn into a double-elimination leg (net loss: reprinting clues I guess). This is the part where I am assuming things. They have to plan this part with the least amount of changing logistics, and this is my best guess. ???
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The Amazing Race rhymes with The Confusing Save this season. Ok not.
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Probably there is an extra NEL near the very end of the season (Final 4 or 5 perhaps), so that just in case the Save is never used, the NEL near the end of the season will be a NEL, and if the Save was used, the NEL will become an EL.
I'm not really sure, just guessing. I remember TARPh1 had a NEL without the MFE penalty because of the Salvage Pass.
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There really should be some strategy for using the save. If it turns out that they get it back if they try to use it and aren't last; then, I'm really going to be annoyed. I'm not terribly happy that they got it back on the NEL, but I can see the points being made as to why they were. Production should have made a point to explain how it works if they want viewers to think it's a fair addition to the race.
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THEY prob got the info...but WE sure did not! Would have been nice....
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THEY prob got the info...but WE sure did not! Would have been nice....
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I think it's pretty straight forward for this season now. The team knows they are in last, use the Save on an elimination leg, is Saved and the very next NEL becomes an elimination leg.
If Misti and Jim has until Leg 8 to use it, I am pretty sure this is so that the last planned NEL at F5 or F4 will be burnt for the Save.
I will be surprise if it goes any other way.
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I think it's pretty straight forward for this season now. The team knows they are in last, use the Save on an elimination leg, is Saved and the very next NEL becomes an elimination leg.
If Misti and Jim has until Leg 8 to use it, I am pretty sure this is so that the last planned NEL at F5 or F4 will be burnt for the Save.
I will be surprise if it goes any other way.
It's until Leg 9, and I don't like it. :groan: If I were to make the rules for it, I'd let it expire by Leg 4, 5, or 6.
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I think its more simple then that, in the past they have had 3 non elimination legs, with the save in play they only have to have two, hence the save becomes one, meaning less to production but gives a fighting chance to the team that has it.
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I think it's pretty straight forward for this season now. The team knows they are in last, use the Save on an elimination leg, is Saved and the very next NEL becomes an elimination leg.
If Misti and Jim has until Leg 8 Leg 9 to use it, I am pretty sure this is so that the last planned NEL at F5 or F4 will be burnt for the Save.
I will be surprise if it goes any other way.
I don't think they can change a pre-planned NEL.... we have NO evidence for a NEL leg being changed.
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Would this mean that they would need to run a 13 leg season though? It would seem like that or a double elimination.
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Ultimately we were the last to arrive on the mat. When we received
"The Save" we were given written instructions (as were all the other teams) that
stated that upon being told that we were going to be eliminated that we would
hand over "The Save". When I asked one of the producers about how things would
play out in the event of a non-elimination leg I was told that we would have to
use "The Save" before we were told whether or not it was non-elim which was not
how the written instructions read. Obviously, he was mistaken. I handed Phil
"The Save" as I stepped on the mat and was so so happy to get it back.
From Jim himself.
So, yes it seems Misti and Jim used it but because it was NEL they got it back. But npt sure again if they used it on Elim and if they are not last, whether or not they will get it back. Heck, Jim sounded as if the written instructions was not clear. :groan:
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I think it's pretty straight forward for this season now. The team knows they are in last, use the Save on an elimination leg, is Saved and the very next NEL becomes an elimination leg.
If Misti and Jim has until Leg 8 Leg 9 to use it, I am pretty sure this is so that the last planned NEL at F5 or F4 will be burnt for the Save.
I will be surprise if it goes any other way.
I don't think they can change a pre-planned NEL.... we have NO evidence for a NEL leg being changed.
I'm thinking as long as they write this out clearly in I don't know some form of document, it will be that way. Like a certain clause some where that says on a leg that a team uses the save, the next leg will become a double elimination.
Or on a leg that a team uses the save, the next immediate NEL will become an elimination leg. I'm pretty sure race rules can be written in the production team's favour. Otherwise, how else are they going to elim enough teams before they reach the F3?
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Jim said he got mis-info from a production person, not the written instructions the way I read it.
But still much we do not know!
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Ultimately we were the last to arrive on the mat. When we received
"The Save" we were given written instructions (as were all the other teams) that
stated that upon being told that we were going to be eliminated that we would
hand over "The Save". When I asked one of the producers about how things would
play out in the event of a non-elimination leg I was told that we would have to
use "The Save" before we were told whether or not it was non-elim which was not
how the written instructions read. Obviously, he was mistaken. I handed Phil
"The Save" as I stepped on the mat and was so so happy to get it back.
From Jim himself.
So, yes it seems Misti and Jim used it but because it was NEL they got it back. But npt sure again if they used it on Elim and if they are not last, whether or not they will get it back. Heck, Jim sounded as if the written instructions was not clear. :groan:
I think the key is the bolded part: technically Phil has to prompt the team to use the Save by stating that they are in danger of Elimination. Jim & Misti handed it over assuming they would be Eliminated, but Phil did not trigger the condition for the pass to be used.
tl;dr Phil gave the Save back, because he has to ask for it (IMO).
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Which means that the Save pass is literally like a protection charm which you did not need to know or decide if you need to use it, because if you're last it will automatically be used. :stare
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Which means that the Save pass is literally like a protection charm which you did not need to know or decide if you need to use it, because if you're last it will automatically be used. :stare
I think that's the whole point: to be guaranteed a save in one leg
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Which means that the Save pass is literally like a protection charm which you did not need to know or decide if you need to use it, because if you're last it will automatically be used. :stare
I think that's the whole point: to be guaranteed a save in one leg
At least Phil was honest when he said the Save was the most powerful prize yet. :res: The one about making the very next non-elimination leg an elimination leg after the team used their Save is actually very plausible. That's probably why Leg 10 here is a non-elimination leg, since Leg 9 is the last leg the Save can be used, and is probably a scheduled elimination leg.
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I still think the Save does not change which legs are elimination legs (due to costs and leg preparations for each leg), it changes who is eliminated on the leg where it is used.
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Maybe instead of changing future NEL's as a result of the usage of the Save, they now just plan the NEL's based on the number of teams remaining?
Scenario:
The first NEL will be with 8 teams remaining.
The second NEL will be with 5 teams remaining.
The third NEL will be with 4 teams remaining.
Leg 1: Pre-determined EL - 11 teams
Leg 2: Pre-determined EL - 10 teams
Leg 3: Pre-determined EL - 9 teams
Leg 4: Pre-determined NEL - 8 teams
Leg 5: Pre-determined EL - 8 teams
Leg 6: Pre-determined EL - 7 teams
Leg 7: Pre-determined EL - 6 teams
Leg 8: Pre-determined NEL - 5 teams
Leg 9: Pre-determined EL - 5 teams
Leg 10: Pre-determined NEL - 4 teams
Leg 11: Pre-determined EL - 4 teams
Leg 12: Final Leg - 3 teams
If the Save was used on, say, leg 3:
Leg 1: Pre-determined EL - 11 teams
Leg 2: Pre-determined EL - 10 teams
Leg 3: Pre-determined EL - 9 teams --- SAVE --- NEL
Leg 4: Elimination Leg - 9 teams
Leg 5: Non-Elimination Leg - 8 teams
Leg 6: Pre-determined EL - 8 teams
Leg 7: Pre-determined EL - 7 teams
Leg 8: Elimination Leg - 6 teams
Leg 9: Non-Elimination Leg - 5 teams
Leg 10: Elimination Leg - 5 teams
Leg 11: Elimination Leg - 4 teams
Leg 12: Final Leg - 3 teams
Legs 3-5, 8-11 were affected. Leg 4 (F8)'s NEL would be moved to Leg 5 - where 8 teams remain instead. Leg 8 (F5)'s NEL would be moved to Leg 9 - where 5 teams remain.
Sorry if that was confusing :-[ Just my theory/2 cents.
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^^ They probably won't do that since they would have to plan a back-up Speed Bump for all the possible NELs that would just go to waste if the Save ended up not being used.
And another thing: if a team does use the Save, they won't get a Speed Bump the next leg, right? ???
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If a team does use the Save, they won't get a Speed Bump the next leg, right? ???
Yup, that's what I think. :)
There are so many questions unanswered for the Save. :lol: So when the time comes, someone better ask Misti & Jim (at the elimination interview) some of the mechanics for the Save. :lol:
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Even if the Save enables a team to avoid the Speed Bump, if I were in the team that comes last in a NEL, I wouldn't use the Save to escape a Speed Bump in the next leg because the existence of the Save card not used will still prevent the team from elimination in the next leg. If I did use the Save this time, there's a possibility that in the next leg my team will meet hard tasks and get eliminated.
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I really don't think the second to last place team will be eliminated just because a team use the SAVE. And technically, if the next NEL becomes an elimination leg, nothing changes right? It's just one leg from NEL becoming Elimination. That is easy to change and why would the producers need to prepare a Speedbump every leg? The team who uses the Save doesn't need to do a Speedbump on the next leg simply because it's not a NEL, so there is no Speedbump?
If it's not this case, how are the producers going to eliminate that one extra team?
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If a team does use the Save, they won't get a Speed Bump the next leg, right? ???
Yup, that's what I think. :)
There are so many questions unanswered for the Save. :lol: So when the time comes, someone better ask Misti & Jim (at the elimination interview) some of the mechanics for the Save. :lol:
There's reason to believe that they make the Final 3, so we'll have to ask them during their interview after the finale.