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Archive => RFF Archived Boards => The Amazing Race 23 Spoilers => Topic started by: apskip on May 08, 2013, 05:22:33 PM
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I know that you have all been waiting with high expectations during the hours since AR22 ended. It is not clear when AR23 will begin, but we want and need to be ready for it. Please enter your comments and information on AR23 flights, trains, ferries, boats, driving routes and whatever else pertains to transportation here.
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Los Angeles (LAX)
June 9, 2013
Delayed
Scheduled Time: 01:40 PM
Estimated Time: 02:50 PM
Actual Time:
Terminal : Gate : 40
Dallas/ Fort Worth (DFW)
June 9, 2013
Delayed
Scheduled Time: 06:50 PM
Estimated Time: 08:00 PM
Actual Time:
Terminal : D Gate : D21
Baggage Area: D16
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All we know is their leaving from Terminal 4(Blondes seen outside gate 40)
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American airlines has a later flight to DFW from Gate 46B, due to leave at 2:05 PM delayed to 3:15.
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all possibilities, if they are going to DFW
American Airlines AAL2446 B763 Scheduled (in 23 hours 46 minutes) Mon 12:50PM PDT 05:55PM CDT Mon
SkyWest SKW6309 Scheduled (in 23 hours 38 minutes) Mon 12:32PM PDT 05:21PM CDT Mon
SkyWest SKW5549 CRJ7 Scheduled (in 23 hours 28 minutes) Mon 12:32PM PDT 05:41PM CDT Mon
Virgin America VRD878 A320 Scheduled (in 22 hours 53 minutes) Mon 11:45AM PDT 04:32PM CDT Mon
American Airlines AAL2444 B738 Scheduled (in 22 hours 36 minutes) Mon 11:40AM PDT 04:40PM CDT Mon
American Airlines AAL2442 B738 Scheduled (in 22 hours 1 minutes) Mon 11:05AM PDT 04:10PM CDT Mon
American Airlines AAL2432 B752 Scheduled (in 20 hours 6 minutes) Mon 09:10AM PDT 02:15PM CDT Mon
Virgin America VRD874 A319 Scheduled (in 19 hours 56 minutes) Mon 09:00AM PDT 02:00PM CDT Mon
American Airlines AAL2430 B752 Scheduled (in 19 hours 26 minutes) Mon 08:30AM PDT 01:35PM CDT Mon
American Airlines AAL2428 B763 Scheduled (in 18 hours 56 minutes) Mon 08:00AM PDT 01:05PM CDT Mon
SkyWest SKW5614 CRJ7 Scheduled (in 18 hours 42 minutes) Mon 07:46AM PDT 12:55PM CDT Mon
SkyWest SKW5200 Scheduled (in 18 hours 50 minutes) Mon 07:46AM PDT 12:33PM CDT Mon
American Airlines AAL2424 B752 Scheduled (in 18 hours 26 minutes) Mon 07:30AM PDT 12:35PM CDT Mon
American Airlines AAL2420 B752 Scheduled (in 17 hours 56 minutes) Mon 07:00AM PDT 12:05PM CDT Mon
American Airlines AAL2412 B752 Delayed Mon 06:30AM PDT 11:25AM CDT Mon
American Airlines AAL2410 B752 Scheduled (in 16 hours 56 minutes) Mon 06:00AM PDT 10:55AM CDT Mon
American Airlines AAL1963 B752 Scheduled (in 12 hours 16 minutes) Mon 01:20AM PDT 06:15AM CDT Mon
American Airlines AAL1776 B738 Scheduled (in 11 hours 1 minutes) Mon 12:05AM PDT 05:00AM CDT Mon
Spirit NKS868 Scheduled (in 6 hours 52 minutes) Sun 07:40PM PDT 12:37AM CDT Mon
American Airlines AAL2468 B763 Scheduled (in 6 hours 11 minutes) Sun 07:15PM PDT 12:05AM CDT Mon
SkyWest SKW6229 CRJ7 Scheduled (in 5 hours 51 minutes) Sun 06:55PM PDT 11:59PM CDT Sun
American Airlines AAL2462 B752 Scheduled (in 4 hours 41 minutes) Sun 05:45PM PDT 10:45PM CDT Sun
Virgin America VRD882 A319 Scheduled (in 4 hours 11 minutes) Sun 05:15PM PDT 10:15PM CDT Sun
American Airlines AAL2460 B752 Scheduled/Delayed Sun 04:35PM PDT 09:40PM CDT Sun
American Airlines AAL2456 B738 Scheduled/Delayed Sun 03:35PM PDT 08:40PM CDT Sun
American Airlines AAL2450 B738 Scheduled/Delayed Sun 02:05PM PDT 07:15PM CDT Sun
American Airlines AAL2448 B738 Scheduled/Delayed Sun 01:40PM PDT 06:50PM CDT Sun
American Airlines AAL2446 B763 Scheduled/Delayed Sun 12:50PM PDT 05:55PM CDT Sun
SkyWest SKW5549 CRJ7 Scheduled Sun 12:40PM PDT 05:50PM CDT Sun
SkyWest SKW6309 CRJ7 Scheduled Sun 12:40PM PDT 05:36PM CDT Sun
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Dallas would suggest a South American start?
But looking at international options, don't most international flights from LAX leave from the Bradley Terminal?
First search turned up a Tokyo flight that left at 12.05pm, Gate 43. There're probably more options, but internet is lousy here and I need a bit of time...
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Don't most international flights from LAX leave from the Bradley Terminal?
First search turned up a Tokyo flight that left at 12.05pm, Gate 43. There're probably more options, but internet is lousy here and I need a bit of time...
Shanghai
Beijing
Melbourne
Sydney
Taipei
Guatemala City
Panama City
Toronto
Montreal
Vancouver
Paris
Frankfurt
London
etc.
All have flights leaving today from terminal 4
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Assuming terminal 4 from the pink girls posting with gate 40 in the background. Terminals 4-8 connect together, and are mostly domestic. However, a .PDF from LAX's website shows:
Terminal 4 - American, American Eagle, QANTAS
Terminal 5 - Delta, Virgin Australia (arrivals)
Terminal 6 - Alaska, Copa (Departures), Frontier, Great Lakes, United
Terminal 7/8 - United Express
Sorry for a post on the sightings link - I'm new here (that's my excuse) - I'd have deleted it if I could.
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Whitney P. O'Regan @wiitknee 2m Well heeeeey, #TheAmazingRace is currently filming on my flight. Quite the way to leave LA!
Tweeter is from Miami
MIA Miami AA 252
American Airlines 2:25 PM T-4
41
cheduled Arrival:
10:10 PM - Sun Jun-9-2013
Miami to Lima
(AA) American Airlines 2153
(MIA) Miami, FL, US to (LIM) Lima, PE
DEPARTURE ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure: Scheduled Arrival:
11:55 PM - Sun Jun-9-2013 4:30 AM - Mon Jun-10-2013
(LP) Lan Peru 2511
(MIA) Miami, FL, US to (LIM) Lima, PE
DEPARTURE ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure: Scheduled Arrival:
1:00 AM - Mon Jun-10-2013 5:40 AM - Mon Jun-10-2013
Estimated Departure: Estimated Arrival:
1:10 AM - Mon Jun-10-2013 (runway) 5:22 AM - Mon Jun-10-2013 (runway)
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Whitney P. O'Regan @wiitknee 2m Well heeeeey, #TheAmazingRace is currently filming on my flight. Quite the way to leave LA!
Tweeter is from Miami
MIA Miami AA 252
American Airlines 2:25 PM T-4
41
cheduled Arrival:
10:10 PM - Sun Jun-9-2013
-If Miami, here is some possibilities:
AA922 to La Paz at 10:50pm
AA243 to Brasilia at 11:50pm (most likely)
AA2053 to Lima at 11:55pm
AA905 to Rio de Janeiro at 11:20pm
AA239 to Salvador BR at 11:15pm
AA995 to Sao Paulo at 11:45pm
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I don't think they coming here, but just in case:
AA931 BUENOS AIRES 11:55P 06-09-13 9:45AM 06-10-13
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Flights leaving MIA tonight flight is delayed it wont arrive till 10:26 pm tonight
(http://i43.[banned image hosting site].com/14qhk2.png)
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American Airlines 144 to Dulles
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I am not very good at this but here goes
From Miama
Caribbean Nassau 8:40Pm or 9:05
Lima Peru 11:55PM or 1:00AM
London 8:45PM or 9 or 9:25
Sao Paula Brazil 8:35PM or 9 or 10:15
Also 3 to Buenos Aires, 2 to Caracas, 3 to Santiago, 2 to Rio de Janero
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Lots of European flights leaving out of Dulles tonight
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Teams going to Chile :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
AA957 to Santiago out of Miami tonight - first flight
Leaving Dulles at 10:10 PM and stop in Sao Paulo and arrive Chile at 7:55 pm - second flight
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Leaving Dulles at 10:10 PM and stop in Sao Paulo and arrive Chile at 7:55 pm - second flight
AA 144 from LAX-IAD lands at 10:45.
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Ok so they must be staying overnight in D.C??? i dont think any more flights to South America tonight out of Dulles ???
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Ok so they must be staying overnight in D.C??? i dont think any more flights to South America tonight out of Dulles ???
The next flight to Sao Paulo is 10:10pm Monday, and if they arrive it wouldn't be until Tuesday when they get to there.
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AA957 out of Miami arrives at 7:45 am in Santiago
AA945 out of Dallas arrives at 8:10 am in Santiago
These are probably the flights.
Edit: Teams are probably not taking the leg from Dallas to Fort Lauderdale
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Nevermind my fault wrong number proabaly AA945
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AA957 out of Miami arrives at 7:45 am in Santiago
AA945 out of Dallas arrives at 8:10 am in Santiago
These are probably the flights.
Makes sense.
The DFW-SCL flight is delayed an hour; now leaving at 10:25 PM and arriving at 9:10 AM.
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My issue with the Miami-Santiago flight is the 1 hour connection :stare
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(http://i42.[banned image hosting site].com/3v6go.png)
Flights from LAX - Santiago ???
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AA957 out of Miami arrives at 7:45 am in Santiago
AA945 out of Dallas arrives at 8:10 am in Santiago
These are probably the flights.
Makes sense.
The DFW-SCL flight is delayed an hour; now leaving at 10:25 PM and arriving at 9:10 AM.
Well that's good since AA2450 to Dallas is delayed by 79 minutes, estimated arrival at 8:34 P.M. now.
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My issue with the Miami-Santiago flight is the 1 hour connection :stare
And the flight into Miami is delayed by 25 minutes :stare
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http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL252
teams on there way :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
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My issue with the Miami-Santiago flight is the 1 hour connection :stare
And the flight into Miami is delayed by 25 minutes :stare
The only good thing is the arriving gate in Miami is D21 and the departing gate is D22 so it shouldn't be that far and it's a domestic flight so no customs so they should make it.
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YOU BEAT ME TO IT I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
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Miami/Santiago will be cutting it close. Under an hour to make the connection.
10:29 to 11:10
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LAX -> MIA -> SCL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL252
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL957
Departed LAX at 2:53 PM PDT. Current arrival in Miami: 10:31 PM EDT. Departing from Miami 11:20 PM EDT, arrival 7:35 AM in Santiago.
LAX -> DFW -> SCL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL2456
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL945
Departing LAX at 5:03 PM PDT (40 minutes). Current arrival in Dallas is 9:39 PM CDT. Departing from Dallas 10:35 PM CDT, arrival 9:00 AM in Santiago.
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Just to clarify - is the Dulles flight used or not? I'm getting conflicting information.
It's using Gate 48A (right next to the Denver flight's Gate 46B).
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Just to clarify - is the Dulles flight used or not? I'm getting conflicting information.
It's using Gate 48A (right next to the Denver flight's Gate 46B).
I don't think any teams were on the flight to Dulles.
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I can tell you from watching the gate, nobody (Teams) got on the Dulles flight.
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I love my friends. :hearts:
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LAX -> MIA -> SCL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL252
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL957
Departed LAX at 2:53 PM PDT. Current arrival in Miami: 10:31 PM EDT. Departing from Miami 11:20 PM EDT, arrival 7:35 AM in Santiago.
LAX -> DFW -> SCL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL2456
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL945
Departing LAX at 5:03 PM PDT (40 minutes). Current arrival in Dallas is 9:39 PM CDT. Departing from Dallas 10:35 PM CDT, arrival 9:00 AM in Santiago.
Looks like I had the wrong LAX-DFW flight. Below is the correct one.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL2450/history/20130609/2105Z/KLAX/KDFW
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(http://i43.[banned image hosting site].com/ad0y34.png)
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If teams were on 252 to Miami, they have 15 minutes to connect to MIA-Santiago(SCL).
Hmmmm.
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If teams were on 252 to Miami, they have 15 minutes to connect to MIA-Santiago(SCL).
Hmmmm.
The flight to Santiago leaves from Gate D22 though hahaha :D
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Glad the gates are together, and the plane to Santiago delayed just a few minutes.
I wonder if there was any possibility of sightings in the few minutes at Miami.
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AA flight 945 from Dallas to Santiago Chile was suppose to arrive at 8:10 am but it wont arrive till 9:29 am
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Just in case there is any doubt about what flight they took to Dallas:
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This i involves some basic flight combinations. May of these flight numbers seem familiar based on travel to Santiago from LAX in AR16. Here is LAX to MIA for yesterday June 9:
AA252 1421 2254 and continuing nonstop to SCL 0625+1
AA1178 1159 0505+1
AA258 2244 0607+1
AA1740 1830 0230+1
DL1678 2221 0601+1
from MIA the options are:
AA945 2154 0948+1
AA957, a one-stop direct flight, 2310 0953+1
Here are the flights form LAX to DFW yesterday:
AA2450 1521 2057
AA2456 1653 2208
AA2428 1339 2031
From DFW the connecting flights are: none except AA945 above.
My analyses are always open to transcription errors based on my poor handwriting, so somebody should double-check these results.
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Here are the arrival & departure flights from DFW:
(http://i41.[banned image hosting site].com/ieo2di.jpg)
(http://i42.[banned image hosting site].com/mkdkt5.jpg)
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ILQUIQUE
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Ignore Sky Airline because they're probably going to connect with LAN because going to Sky will just create trouble for teams. :P
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(http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/ii499/Jimmer25/SCL-IQQ_zps5c034fdc.png)
Here is a better view of flights from Santiago to Iquique that includes departure times at Santiago, based on times, I would guess that the flights in red are the flights.
To Peach, if you search by route (in this case Santiago to Iquique) you can get both Departure and Arrival times.
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Flights out of Santiago going to another country. If a flight has two times, the first is the scheduled, second is the actual time, meaning it's going to be late. the carat means it's a codeshare.
AEP Buenos Aires AU 2281 Austral 9:00 AM 10:10 AM
AEP Buenos Aires AR 2281^ Aerolineas Argentinas 9:00 AM 10:10 AM ~ Scheduled
UIO Quito MP 1158 Martinair 10:15 AM Scheduled
MAD Madrid IB 6830 Iberia 11:20 AM 11:30 AM ~ Scheduled
MAD Madrid BA 4250^ British Airways 11:20 AM 11:30 AM ~ Scheduled
MAD Madrid LA 5720^ Lan Airlines 11:20 AM 11:30 AM ~ Scheduled
PTY Panama City CM 118 COPA 11:26 AM 11:36 AM ~ 18 Scheduled
PTY Panama City UA 7084^ United Airlines 11:26 AM 11:36 AM ~ 18 Scheduled
PTY Panama City KL 3058^ KLM 11:26 AM 11:36 AM ~ 18 Scheduled
GRU Sao Paulo LA 752 Lan Airlines 11:50 AM 11:50 AM ~ Scheduled
GRU Sao Paulo JJ 8218^ TAM Linhas Aereas 11:50 AM 11:50 AM ~ Scheduled
GIG Rio De Janeiro LA 772 Lan Airlines 12:15 PM 12:15 PM ~ Scheduled
GIG Rio De Janeiro JJ 8220^ TAM Linhas Aereas 12:15 PM 12:15 PM ~ Scheduled
GRU Sao Paulo JJ 8027 TAM Linhas Aereas 12:50 PM 1:00 PM ~ Scheduled
GRU Sao Paulo LX 4093^ SWISS 12:50 PM 1:00 PM ~ Scheduled
GRU Sao Paulo LH 7399^ Lufthansa 12:50 PM 1:00 PM ~ Scheduled
GRU Sao Paulo LA 5951^ Lan Airlines 12:50 PM 1:00 PM ~ Scheduled
AEP Buenos Aires AR 1285 Aerolineas Argentinas 1:40 PM 1:50 PM ~ Scheduled
EZE Buenos Aires LA 445 Lan Airlines 2:00 PM 2:00 PM ~ Scheduled
LIM Lima H2 800 Sky Airline 2:30 PM Scheduled
LIM Lima TA 6882^ TACA 2:30 PM Scheduled
LIM Lima LA 632 Lan Airlines 2:50 PM 2:50 PM ~ Scheduled
LIM Lima LA 1317 Lan Airlines 2:55 PM 3:05 PM ~ Scheduled
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Apskip, we will miss you (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,28916.0.html).
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2 very plausible flights into Lisbon are
TP 88 from Sau Paulo 2225-1215 (+1) (actually arrived 1252)
TP 74 from Rio 2235-125 (+1) (actually arrived 1249)
The poster would have posted 7:56 pm local time. Her talk about seeing Phil in a hotel suggests that she probably saw teams earlier in the airport than when she posted. There is also a picture on a shuttle that suggests it was taken during the day.
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My guess based upon prior seasons is that if teams flew out of Santiago, they used one of those cities as a connection and not as the destination. It's hard to be sure because the show has used long-distance self-driving into Argentina a couple of times after visiting Chile, and that also is a possibility.
I do know Bert loves filming in the Andes, and took teams to southern Argentina in several Races because of the absolutely scenic nature of the Andes as a backdrop.
IIRC, Sao Paulo seems to be the big connection point for the airlines for international travel whether to the Americas, Europe, Africa, Oceania, or Asia. I haven't done any searching, just pointing out what options have been used in the past. In fact, when teams last flew out of South America (Peru) they connected in Santiago to fly across the south Pacific. So I have no idea what's more probable at this point, unlike last season where Bora Bora was a big clue that gave us leads to several later legs. (We were doing fine until they went to Europe rather than South America last time.)
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As dpe stated, Iberia airlines have flights between Santiago and Madrid, with a plausible 13 hours of flight time. LAN Airlines has also flights between these said flight cities as well.
Here's the best flight from Santiago to Lisbon (Leg 3 might started on June 14th and ended on 15th):
IB6830 (SCL-MAD), 1118-0623+1 (scheduled 1120-0620+1)
TP1023 (MAD-LIS), 0740+1-0748+1 (scheduled 0735+1-0750+1)
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Well there could also be TAP and TAM connections via SP and Rio. Also the possibility, similar to last race on Botswana to Suisse.
Phil could take a very direct route and teams could be directed to a more obtuse route.
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I don't really think they departed from Santiago , since Leg3 must have been outside Chile.
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A viable connection in London to match the poster being in London a few days back would be
Buenos Aires to London
BA244 1300-0620+1 (actual 1309-0613+1)
and London to Lisbon
BA500 0735-1015 (actual 0735-1018)
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Again, the poster saw them in Lisbon not London right? So where she was days ago DOES NOT MATTER. All that reflects is HER travel opps not the racers, see?
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What people were trying to establish was what flight she was on with the teams to Lisbon? Where was she coming from? Thus checking where she was a few days prior. If it was London it could VERY WELL be a connecting flight, certainly, but they are just trying to make transportation connections r.e. flights?!
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This is the flight I found departing from Lisbon to Oslo today:
TP768 (LIS-OSL) 08.55-1.55 (actual 9.37-1.57)
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Svolvaer, Norway, has flights to only 2 other airports.
Bodø and Stokmarknes. From those 2 airports, they can reach only one large airport with connections outside Norway. That's Oslo
Oslo has 2 airports, from which they could connect almost anywhere.
there is also a ferry to Bergen that has many flights out of Norway to lots of possible TAR destinations.
so if they are in Svolvaer, as remote as it is, the options are many.
http://www.avinor.no/en/airport/svolvar
http://www.avinor.no/en/airport/stokmarknes
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There was only one possible flight out of Lisbon to OSL that morning :
(http://i.imgur.com/a0stte9.jpg)
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several flights from OSL to BOO (which is the one and only connecting airport to Svolvaer that day) :
Here's arrival schedule at BOO from OSL :
(http://i.imgur.com/7MCLN0z.jpg)
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Then, move on to SVJ (Svolvaer), there are only 4 flights that could make it on June 16
Here's arrival schedule at SVJ from BOO :
(http://i.imgur.com/dtBHIzq.jpg)
***Please note that the second row (from left) is the Airline's name, not the end destination :tup:
I leave the rest to the transport experts to be analyzed further :)
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Following Zouly research, here's a more detailed list of flights from Oslo to Bodø and from there to Svolvaer:
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag91/Aleij1963/CAPSTAR23/FlightsNorway1_zpsce58c731.png) (http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/Aleij1963/media/CAPSTAR23/FlightsNorway1_zpsce58c731.png.html)
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag91/Aleij1963/CAPSTAR23/FlightsNorway2_zpsc4c9e714.png) (http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/Aleij1963/media/CAPSTAR23/FlightsNorway2_zpsc4c9e714.png.html)
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Thanks guys, you have it! I'll just add this for ease...ALL of these leges are conceivably possible, they are the only ones that are. The ones in green are the only really realistic ones, the other connections seem way to close.
The upshot is that yes, it IS possible for teams to have left Lisbon and arrived at the sighting time.
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2023/Norway/LIStoSVJall.jpg)
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Another thing that makes the leg in Svolvaer unlikely is the aircraft used to fly into Svolvaer a DH-1 also called a Dash-8-100. carries 37 people. with racers and sound/camera would that be big enough?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_operated_by_Wider%C3%B8e
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That could be tight unless they wer split into 2 flights...or charter. I just wish we had a better picture!
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What is the time spread between the possible flights? It's also possible teams might have to take different flights to arrive at different times, and then proceed as a lead pack and a trailing pack, or encounter a HOO delay after the teams arrive.
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All possible flights are listed^^. Keep in mind that Norway remains still UNCONFIRMED, and in my mind anyway, highly doubtful.
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Flights from Santiago to Buenos Aries on June 14th
(http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/ii499/Jimmer25/SCL-EZE_zpsff2ea994.png)
The boxes in red make the most sense since in TARChile's post and pictures, they were there at 4 A.M. and look to be heading to an LAN flight.
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If we also base off of the Lisbon airport sighting and the poster was on the same flight as some teams from London to Lisbon, these flights still remain a possibility.
A viable connection in London to match the poster being in London a few days back would be
Buenos Aires to London
BA244 1300-0620+1 (actual 1309-0613+1)
and London to Lisbon
BA500 0735-1015 (actual 0735-1018)
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If they are using KLM as pic suggests:
(Current Trondheim time is 0939AM)
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We've been assuming teams -flew- into Svolvaer, but here's an option that gives us a perfect sighting time for midnight the night of 16 Jun 2013:
TP 768 from Lisbon to Oslo. 0855-1355
(Flights via Copenhagen also possible)
SK 4116 from Oslo to Bodo, 1535-1705
SK 4122 from Oslo to Bodo, 1715-1840
DY 350 from Oslo to Bodo, 1750-1920
Ferry from Bodo to Svolvaer, 2030-2329
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Ferries would be fun!
The above flights also work. Esp if the sightings are mid leg not right at the start, they could have been in action from Airport arrival/customs onward.
Anyway, bet they use ferries onward to Trondheim...
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If they are using KLM as pic suggests:
(Current Trondheim time is 0939AM)
There is AirFrance too?
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On the Svolvaer sighting: I've a good feeling they just arrived, are looking for or have just received their first clue, and are about to hit an hours of operation. We need to give Phil some time to do his stand-ups!
Ferry action to Trondheim is... unlikely, I think? Svolvaer is really far away - 34 hours away by ferry, to be exact! A Trondheim airport departure today morning (19 Jun) would match an overnight train from Bodo (2110-0707), but working backwards there's no connection between Svolvaer and Bodo either. They'd have to do this weird combination, which I find extremely unlikely:
Bus from Svolvaer to Lodingen, 18 1510-1655
Bus from Lodingen to Fauske, 1715-2110
Train from Fauske to Trondheim Airport, 2158-19 0707
I'm thinking sometime during the leg, or maybe during the Pit Stop, teams took the ferry back to the mainland (Bodo, for example). A Pit Start at Bodo yesterday afternoon (18 Jun), followed by an overnight ride to Trondheim Airport, would then make sense. Or maybe they just had teams drive to the mainland.
Edited to add: the daily ferry from Svolvaer to Bodo leaves at 6.30am.
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Flights to Gdansk (June 19th), one of the LA Kings blondes and another one of Afghanimals sighted in Trondheim Airport in the said date and here are the possibilities:
Nah, nevermind. See Neobie's recent post below.
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Well teams have already been seen in Gdansk by 2.08pm, so I'm pretty sure some teams at least took earlier itineraries:
Edit: Wow, there are so many ways to get between these airports I thought were small!
Note: Our sightings of the teams at Trondheim Airport was at 8.06am.
ITINERARY #1 (short layover)
SK 4481 from Trondheim to Stavanger, 0625-0735
W6 1748 from Stavanger to Gdansk, 0825-1005
ITINERARY #2
QA 2885 from Trondheim to Copenhagen, 0600-0735
QA 755 from Copenhagen to Gdansk, 0915-1010
ITINERARY #3
WA 1172 from Trondheim to Amsterdam, 0605-0825
K2 312 from Amsterdam to Gdansk, 0940-1140
ITINERARY #4A
DY 749 from Trondheim to Oslo, 0830-0925
DY 1052 from Oslo to Gdansk, 1100-1225
ITINERARY #4B (short layover)
DY 751 from Trondheim to Oslo, 0920-1015
DY 1052 from Oslo to Gdansk, 1100-1225
ITINERARY #4C
DY 751 from Trondheim to Oslo, 0920-1015
SK 4789 from Oslo to Gdansk, 1120-1250
ITINERARY #5
SK 4143 from Trondheim to Bergen, 0915-1015
W6 1746 from Bergen to Gdansk, 1320-1505
ITINERARY #6
SK 2881 from Trondheim to Copenhagen, 1040-1215
QA 759 from Copenhagen to Gdansk, 1425-1520
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And consolidating the options we found from Santiago to Lisbon on 14 Jun, adding in a few of my own, and ordering it according to best routings. Note that the Buenos Aires-London route was only the sixth best option of the day, and not even the one that left latest too!
ITINERARY #1
JJ 8049 from Santiago to Rio de Janeiro, 0715-1237
TP 78 from Rio de Janeiro to Lisbon, 1705-0640
ITINERARY #2
JJ 8029 from Santiago to Sao Paulo, 0650-1140
TP 86 from Sao Paulo to Lisbon, 1710-0700
ITINERARY #3
H2 501 from Santiago to Buenos Aires, 0730-1035
UX 42 from Buenos Aires to Madrid, 1210-0530
P6 1151 from Madrid to Lisbon, 0640-0700
ITINERARY #4
IB 6830 from Santiago to Madrid, 1120-0623
TP 1023 from Madrid to Lisbon, 0735-0750
ITINERARY #5
LA 455 from Santiago to Buenos Aires, 0830-1135
IB 6842 from Buenos Aires to Madrid, 1325-0620
TP 1023 from Madrid to Lisbon, 0735-0750
ITINERARY #6
LA 455 from Santiago to Buenos Aires, 0830-1135
BA 244 from Buenos Aires to London, 1300-0620
BA 500 from London to Lisbon, 0735-1015
There is an obscure itinerary that me on the show would have found, but requires a domestic transit in Brazil (visas might be a problem):
JJ 8029 from Santiago to Sao Paulo, 0650-1140 (actual arrival 1249)
JJ 3360 from Sao Paulo to Belo Horizonte, 1255-1419
TP 56 from Belo Horizonte to Lisbon, 1640-0555
Would have missed the connection in Sao Paulo though due to flight delays, so I would have had to fly to Rio to continue with Itinerary #1.
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Neobie,
Did you check through Recife? Lots of flights there to/from Europe. They might be all charters though.
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Neobie,
Did you check through Recife? Lots of flights there to/from Europe. They might be all charters though.
There were sightings of teams in Buenos Aires.
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What we have is TARChile pictures of some of the teams waiting for boarding the LAN flight to Buenos Aires:
At around 4:00 AM on Friday, June 14, I ran into the what I think was the Amazing Race at the Santiago airport. A friend and I went over to talk to them and asked what they were doing. They said they were filming a travel documentary about going places, but that just seemed like a cover story - some of the contestants were clearly uncomfortable talking about it. They said they didn't know where they were going next, but I later found a few contestants sitting at a gate for a flight to Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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There are also flights from Santiago to Buenos Aires 6:55am to 10am on 6-14
From Buenos Aires to London 1pm to 6 am now 6/15
From London to Lisbon 8am to 11am.
Must be what cheerleaders and Afghanimals were on.
There were also good connections through Sao Paulo for the rest, through Madrid,
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I have CouchRacer's flight listed as Option 6. It's just not as early a flight I assumed teams would get on if they arrived at the airport at 4am. Sold out flights, I guess.
Recife flights to Europe aren't showing up on our usual database, I only see a flight to Frankfurt and to Lisbon, but both arrive later than our six options here. Plus it's going to be hard getting to Recife without first going through Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro, and as I understand Americans might have problems getting visas (even for transit) for the domestic leg of the journey.
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Thanks Neobie!
I am traveling and on my semi-literate phone. I can't research the flights on it.
I saw where you found the BH connection and Recife came to mind. As I said, lots of European flight into Recife and Forteleza, I suspect they are mostly charters and during European winter.
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Teams were seen before 10.30am (Vienna time) at Schonbrunn Palace today (21 Jun 2013).
Assuming they left Gdansk this morning, there is only one possibility:
K2 3828 from Gdansk to Warsaw, 0525-0625
LO 223 from Warsaw to Vienna, 0750-0915
I thought flying to Munich and taking a train would be possible, but they can't get there by 10.30am.
Later flights for later teams:
CL 1649 from Gdansk to Munich, 0640-0815
VO 118 from Munich to Vienna, 0920-1025
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SK 1758 from Gdansk to Copenhagen, 0610-0710
HG 8017 from Copenhagen to Vienna, 0855-1030
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K2 3828 from Gdansk to Warsaw, 0525-0625 (same as earliest itinerary)
VO 626 from Warsaw to Vienna, 1035-1155 (if earlier flight is full)
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LO 359 from Gdansk to Frankfurt, 0815-1000
VO 122 from Frankfurt to Vienna, 1040-1205
LH 1238 from Frankfurt to Vienna, 1240-1400
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AB 8481 from Gdansk to Berlin, 1055-1155
AB 8268 from Berlin to Vienna, 1250-1405
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There's a possibility of teams taking a train overnight (more than overnight, actually) from Gdansk via Warsaw to Vienna:
Train from Gdansk to Warsaw: 1448-2000
Train from Warsaw to Vienna: 2059-0632
Just that one train though.
No matter if they flew or took a train, Brunettes and Tim/Marie-Pink-Hair are in the lead (or everyone is bunched up).
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Neobie, don't forget that the pit stop could be of any length or no rest at all, or the train could be a "rolling pit stop" to get teams to Vienna in time this morning. Do the flights and alternatives you list include those possibilities as to when teams might have left Gdansk?
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I can see them getting there by train because from reports at the Pit Stop in Sopot, Phil was seen at the mat at around 3:30pm Polish time on Wednesday. That would give a lot of time for teams to take the train the next day (Thursday) and get to Vienna today. But I don't know. Just speculating.
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Gdansk -Vienna 12:48. possible, flying faster.
http://www.rome2rio.com/s/Gda%C5%84sk/Vienna
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Hmmm. Just playing around here with flights.
But I could take any number of flight combos departing Vienna Sat anytime from 9:55 AM to 2:225 Pm and arrive Katmandu the following AM between 825 and 905 AM. :neener:
Flight Play (http://www.expedia.com/Flights-Search?trip=oneway&leg1=from%3AVienna%2C+Austria+%28VIE-Vienna+Intl.%29%2Cto%3AKathmandu%2C+Nepal+%28KTM-Tribhuvan+Intl.%29%2Cdeparture%3A06%2F22%2F2013TANYT&passengers=children%3A0%2Cadults%3A1%2Cseniors%3A0%2Cinfantinlap%3AY&options=cabinclass%3Aeconomy%2Cnopenalty%3AN%2Csortby%3Aprice&mode=search) >>change to show by arrival.
Then again, I could depart Vienna at 1025AM and be in Tel Aviv nonstop by 250PM too. :lol:
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WARNING - SPEC
Other interesting options:
Ethiopia
- LH 1247 VIE FRA 620 745
LH 598 FRA ADD 1115 2045
- TK 1884 VIE IST 1035 1350 or TK 1886 VIE IST 1425 1735
TK 676 IST ADD 1850 0015 (+1)
- OS 125 VIE FRA 1740 1915
ET 707 FRA ADD 2005 0615 (+1)
- AZ 191 VIE FCO 1835 2010
ET 703 FCO ADD 2340 0640 (+1)
Note that sunset is around 1830 in ADD so teams would be arriving in darkness regardless. Maybe a spot for a charter flight (to Gondar :colors) or an HoO bunch?
Incidentally, if the teams were early enough checking in and Phil and production hauled ass, they could leave tonight (6/21) on
LH 1243 VIE FRA 1920 2050
ET 707 FRA ADD 2205 0615 (+1)
and have most of the day to do standups.
Jordan
- OS 853 VIE AMM 1010 1445 (which would probably be a good flight for Phil and production)
Beyond that there are several batches of flights; these are just guidelines and for each flight there's several others that depart and arrive within an hour of it.
- HG 8466 VIE FCO 1045 1215
RJ 102 FCO AMM 1500 1930
- OS 821 VIE IST 1325 1645
RJ 168 IST AMM 2035 2250
- RO 344 VIE OTP 1800 2030
RO 187 OTP AMM 2305 0145 (+1)
Note that sunset is around 745 in AMM, so teams would be racing around in darkness. They could squeeze out a nighttime leg here, have some sort of HoO bunch or have chartered transportation (to Petra maybe :colors)
Mauritius (aka we may as well use these HD cameras to get people in swimsuits)
Phil + production can leave tonight on
EK 126 VIE DXB 2240 0620 (+1)
EK 3703 DXB MRU 1015 1650 (both +1)
while teams can be forced tomorrow onto
EK 128 VIE DXB 1530 2055
EK 701 DXB MUR 0305 0935 (both +1)
With sunset at 1740, teams should have enough time for a drive around the island
Cyprus (either your swimsuit leg or your 'watch people enjoy alcohol' leg)
Again, if Phil can leave early enough, he can leave tonight on
OS 835 VIE LCA 2035 0040 (+1)
while teams can enjoy the morning tomorrow in Vienna before departing on one of
- OS 831 VIE LCA 1030 1435
- OS 809 VIE SKG 0945 1230
CY 427 SKG LCA 1440 1635
- A3 881 VIE ATH 1055 1410
A3 906 ATH LCA 1545 1725
- CY 373 VIE LCA 1450 1855
Note that sunset in Cyprus is around 2000 so depending on which flight they're forced onto, they can either enjoy a sunny beach leg or a nighttime leg with the possibility of drunken hooligans laughing at them attempting a task.
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I think the best combination of interesting (ie different) location and maximization of time for both production and racers is Jordan, ideally Petra, but then again I wouldn't have chosen to go to Chile of all places in South America so what do I know?
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Petra LOVE!!
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Local time at Vienna when the Baseball wives team sighted approx.12.00PM
Qatar Airways schedule of Departure from VIE today ranged from 10.00AM - 4.00PM :
(http://i.imgur.com/Kn4aU8j.jpg)
Gosh..there are so many connecting points at Doha and Dubai...
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Qantas is not Qatar. :)
So we're looking at QR 96 from Vienna to Doha, 1555-2215.
Which actually narrows things down a bit, if we assume that teams can get to their destination through Doha faster rather than through Dubai. There are a few flights today from Vienna to Dubai, so the chances of selling out are lower. Presumably they're not connecting to fly back to Europe, and presumably they're not going to Saudi Arabia or Iran (problematic for female racers)...
Looking pretty
Mahe, Seychelles
Colombo
Kathmandu
Kozhikode, Kerala
Less likely
Doha (night arrival)
Bahrain (night arrival)
Melbourne (too far a jump)
Jakarta (too much Indonesia recently)
Ho Chi Minh City (visited last season)
Baghdad
Benghazi
Erbil
Cities faster through Vienna-Dubai flight
Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Ras al-Khaymah, Sharjah, Kuwait
Nairobi, Khartoum, Lagos, Entebbe
Male, Delhi, Karachi, Peshawar, Dhaka, Lahore
Osaka, Tokyo, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, Guangzhou, Beijing, Perth
Cities faster through other flights
Casablanca, Cairo, Istanbul, Algiers, Ankara, Tunis, Tripoli, Johannesburg, Dar es Salaam
Moscow, Amman, Baku, Muscat, Beirut
Hong Kong, Manila, Seoul, Bangkok, Shanghai
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Just an idea from my tired brain.....does anyone have access to the information about where teams have used Doha in the past as a connection to elsewhere?
That might be a better way of narrowing down the possible location of the next leg.
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I think Charla & Mirna went through Doha to Dubai in S5. Not sure though.
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Or just check the flight connections Neobie outlined, lol.
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I think Charla & Mirna went through Doha to Dubai in S5. Not sure though.
Nah :( They and Linda & Karen went through Bahrain and Dubai. The other teams went through Bahrain and Abu Dhabi.
I don't know about S1, S2, and S4, but:
In S9, BJ & Tyler went through Doha going to Muscat, Oman from Athens while the rest were on a direct flight.
In S17, Qatar Airlines were used by Jill & Thomas going from Oman to Dhaka, Bangladesh. The flight connections going to and leaving Muscat were scarcely shown on TV. :(
It seems that Qatar Airlines and Doha are connected with Muscat .... thoughts?
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It's possible, but there's a faster flight from Vienna to Muscat via Istanbul-Bahrain, arriving about two hours earlier. Of course, it's possible the Brunettes didn't know about the flight or that it's sold out, so here's my second consideration:
Releasing the teams so they arrive at Vienna Airport at this time means they'd arrive in Muscat between 2-4am. This means bunching when they get to Oman. Why not release them later, so they can take a Dubai flight (amongst other options), leaving Vienna at 10.40pm and arriving the next morning at 9.30am, eliminating the need for an Hours of Operation bunching? TPTB hasn't liked doing that in recent seasons.
By contrast, flying to South-Asia/the-Indian-Ocean-islands gives us nice morning arrival times for a leg:
Seychelles at 6.30am, Colombo at 8.20am, Kathmandu at 8.35am...
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Total Spec, but possibe.
QR 096 Vienna (VIE) 15:55 Doha (DOH) 22:15
QR 352 Doha (DOH) 01:10 +1 day(s) Kathmandu (KTM) 08:35 +1 day(s)
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[off-topic]
I'm bored. Anyone wants to play Find Snowden?
SU 213 from Hong Kong to Moscow SVO, 23/1055-23/1705
Was not on flight: SU 150 from Moscow SVO to Havana, 24/1405-24/1845
Assume he's going to avoid the EU/US/Israel, and is trying to get to Ecuador?
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[off-topic]
I'm bored. Anyone wants to play Find Snowden?
SU 213 from Hong Kong to Moscow SVO, 23/1055-23/1705
Was not on flight: SU 150 from Moscow SVO to Havana, 24/1405-24/1845
Assume he's going to avoid the EU/US/Israel, and is trying to get to Ecuador?
The Black Sea is nice this time of year...
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I've a feeling that Russia was probably a decoy. I'd like Snowden to be smarter than that.
Not sure about what extradition treaties the US has with these countries, but here're two probable routes of escape:
CX 197 from Hong Kong to Auckland, 23/2105-24/1200
LA 800 from Auckland to Santiago, 24/1615-24/1135
XL 1446 from Santiago to Guayaquil, 24/1705-24/2120
SA 287 from Hong Kong to Johannesburg, 23/2350-24/0705
SA 222 from Johannesburg to Sao Paulo, 24/1025-24/1600
EQ 532 from Sao Paulo to Guayaquil, 25/0215-25/0615
Sorry! It's a slow day at spoiling...
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:ot: And if I see ONE more TAR tweet saying Snowden's Amazing Race I may just :gaah:
Go find me OUR race. :cheer:
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Repeating here that Phil wouldn't likely have jet-lag (unless it was just an idiomatic expression) if he was in Africa; the Europe legs are pretty much the same time zone as most of Africa.
I have Phil's tweet at 5.37am Hong Kong time, which translates to:
1.37am in Seychelles
3.07am in India and Sri Lanka
3.22am in Nepal
ASSUMING Phil was tweeting this soon after his check-in:
No flights out of Seychelles at this time. No flights out of Kathmandu at this time. So Leg 7 (maybe Leg 8 too) isn't there.
There is a Colombo-Chennai flight at 4.10am, but all other flights head back to the Gulf. Beijing's the only eastward flight from Delhi. Nothing from Mumbai and Kolkata except back to the Gulf.
Could they already be further east? But if so, where are our tweets?
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I'm guessing it's the Colombo-Chennai flight. However, I'm not sure if the leg would be in Chennai or if it's a connection.
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:rules:
:ot: And if I see ONE more TAR tweet saying Snowden's Amazing Race I may just :gaah:
Go find me OUR race. :cheer:
:plane: Aye-aye Capt'n!
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Repeating here that Phil wouldn't likely have jet-lag (unless it was just an idiomatic expression) if he was in Africa; the Europe legs are pretty much the same time zone as most of Africa.
I have Phil's tweet at 5.37am Hong Kong time, which translates to:
1.37am in Seychelles
3.07am in India and Sri Lanka
3.22am in Nepal
ASSUMING Phil was tweeting this soon after his check-in:
No flights out of Seychelles at this time. No flights out of Kathmandu at this time. So Leg 7 (maybe Leg 8 too) isn't there.
There is a Colombo-Chennai flight at 4.10am, but all other flights head back to the Gulf. Beijing's the only eastward flight from Delhi. Nothing from Mumbai and Kolkata except back to the Gulf.
Could they already be further east? But if so, where are our tweets?
Ah ok, i think i have an idea that makes sense now. I think its very possible they had a leg in qatar (havent been to these region in a few seasons and qatar is one of the safer places there) and this would make sense for phil's tweet as that would have been at around half past midnight qatar time and doha airport is unusual in that it has loooooaaadddsss of flights leaving at 1,2,3 am. The timing would make sense for them having had a leg there and now phil moving on ahead of teams. Also the blackout in tweets etc might make sense if they had been driving around qatar and not going through more airports i think.. This also puts nepal back on the table hahaha
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Neobie or anyone that has expert skill on flight analysis...
our team in Bandung discussed that there's a possibility of running our leg in Bandung,
the question is, why there's not much tweets generated in the city if the racers expected to running around some locations?
Then, we have spec that Phil "was just arrived!" and Teams will probably racing tomorrow..
Need a handful of source for flight to CGK then Train/Chartered Car/Taxi to Bandung... or flight to BDO as well.. ;)
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Need to assume teams there today.
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Fyi, BDO only has 2 internatnatinal access for commercial flights, Singapore and KL, both operated by Indonesia Air Asia
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Good chance to get to the Malaysia that Joab's been speculating?
Can't really seem to see them go to Singapore this season, they generally go Malaysia-Singapore (TAR3), Malaysia only (TAR4 and 11), Malaysia-Singapore (TAR16)...
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We can try to reverse-engineer where Phil came from, knowing he probably left the previous destination at 4.37am Jakarta time on 25 Jun.
Doha works very well. (Phil tweeted at 12.37am Doha time.)
QR 672 from Doha to Jakarta, 0155-1515
Dubai works less well; Phil would have been checking in very early. (Phil tweeted at 1.37am Dubai time.)
EK 356 from Dubai to Jakarta, 0415-1540
Delhi doesn't work. There are no flights towards Jakarta at this time. (Phil tweeted at 3.07am Delhi time.)
Mumbai, Kolkata, Colombo, Nairobi and Johannesburg don't work for the same reason.
Nepal has no flights at all at this time. (Phil tweeted at 3.22am Kathmandu time.)
Where else should I look at?
Tentative conclusion: Leg 7 was in the Persian Gulf, likely Qatar itself.
And working backwards a little bit more. A team was trying for a Vienna-Doha flight on 22 Jun. That would have arrived that night.
23 Jun was the leg after Vienna. (I'll call this Leg 7.)
24 Jun is a mystery day.
25 Jun is when Phil left the Persian Gulf.
There's no reason Phil would have needed to stick around for that long.
Tentative conclusion: Leg 8 was also in the Persian Gulf, likely the same location as Leg 7.
My best educated guess:
Start: Los Angeles
Leg 1: Iquique, Chile
Leg 2: Santiago, Chile
Leg 3: Lisbon, Portugal
Leg 4: Svolvaer, Norway
Leg 5: Gdansk, Poland
Leg 6: Vienna, Austria
Leg 7: Doha, Qatar
Leg 8: Doha, Qatar
Leg 9: Bandung, Indonesia
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Where else should I look at?
Phil's hint from his tweet "fog = Haze = Kuala Lumpur"
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Kuala Lumpur, or anywhere in East or Southeast Asia, doesn't work well. No reason for Phil to be travelling in the middle of the night!
It's quite likely teams will be arriving at Jakarta tonight at these times:
QR 670 from Doha to Jakarta, 0930-2205
EK 358 from Dubai to Jakarta, 1110-2235
Although maybe someone may have snuck onto this flight?
EK 356 from Dubai to Jakarta, 0415-1540
I expect an hours-of-operation tonight (26 Jun), followed by a race tomorrow (27 Jun).
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Train schedule from Gambir (Jakarta) to Bandung
(http://i.imgur.com/fi3Zgq9.jpg)
*Berangkat = Depart
*Datang = Arrive
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Just in case that Phil landed directly to BDO (Hussein Sastranegara Airport)
(http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h396/kamineko23/bdo_arrivals_zps6bc0cd79.png)
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Teams could probably stranded at SIN and wait for tomorrow's flight direct to BDO...
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Judging from the tweeters' itinerary, teams are most likely on:
SQ 981 from Bangkok to Singapore, 2100-0025
Flights tomorrow to Bandung:
MI 192 from Singapore to Bandung, 0830-0925
QZ 8366 from Singapore to Bandung, 0900-0940
Flights tomorrow to Jakarta:
TR 2276 from Singapore to Jakarta, 0555-0645
SQ 950 from Singapore to Jakarta, 0620-0705
And many more...
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Judging from the tweeters' itinerary, teams are most likely on:
SQ 981 from Bangkok to Singapore, 2100-0025
Flights tomorrow to Bandung:
MI 192 from Singapore to Bandung, 0830-0925
QZ 8366 from Singapore to Bandung, 0900-0940
Got it,,,
The MI one is share-coded with two other airlines, right?
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MI (Silk Air) is a subsidiary of SQ (Singapore Airlines), so yeah.
QZ (Indonesia Air Asia) is on its own.
Dubai is slipping out of probability. Teams do not need to fly from Dubai-Bangkok-Singapore.
There's a Dubai-Singapore flight leaving 5 minutes before the Bangkok flight.
Unless, of course, the direct flight is full.
If we stick to Qatar, we have:
QR 608 from Doha to Bangkok, 0825-1920
SQ 981 from Bangkok to Singapore, 2100-0025
There was a Doha-Jakarta flight that left at 0930 and gets in tonight (26 Jun). If teams were not limited by the producers they could have taken that and taken some transport to Bandung, arriving way before anyone else!
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Manila flights got delayed for the 12.55AM schedule tonight...
Need an immediate help for Phil or Racers to get out of Indo... assume the racers released early in the morning at 2.00-4.00AM ?!
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Judging from the tweeters' itinerary, teams are most likely on:
SQ 981 from Bangkok to Singapore, 2100-0025
Flights tomorrow to Bandung:
MI 192 from Singapore to Bandung, 0830-0925
QZ 8366 from Singapore to Bandung, 0900-0940
Flights tomorrow to Jakarta:
TR 2276 from Singapore to Jakarta, 0555-0645
SQ 950 from Singapore to Jakarta, 0620-0705
And many more...
If they arrived in Singapore from BKK they could have also been on Tiger TR 2109 that arrives at 2330 SGP time or Jet Star 3K 518 that arrives at midnight, or Jet Star 3K 514 that arrives at 0040 or Tiger TR 2115 that arrives at 0100...
Lots of flight options that's what I'm thinking...
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-__-" that's not it, i'm sorry, but that one already passed away... ;)
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Okay, I throw out some options for Teams (or even Phil) to get out of Indo on Sat, 29/6
Departure from BDO to :
SIN Singapore QZ 8365 Indonesia AirAsia 5:40 AM
SIN Singapore MI 191 Silkair 10:10 AM
SIN Singapore SQ 5191^ Singapore Airlines 10:10 AM (code-shared with the above)
SIN Singapore QZ 8361 Indonesia AirAsia 11:15 AM
KUL Kuala Lumpur AK 1329 AirAsia 8:00 AM
KUL Kuala Lumpur QZ 8453 Indonesia AirAsia 10:05 AM
DPS Denpasar JT* 904 Lion Airlines 10:20 AM
DPS Denpasar JT* 960 Lion Airlines 12:00 PM
DPS Denpasar GA 334 Garuda Indonesia 12:25 PM
DPS Denpasar CTV 891 Citilink Indonesia 12:35 PM
From SIN and KUL can easily go almost everywhere to SE Asia and/or AUS
From DPS is a strong possibility for AUS/JPN
Now, for the Train Schedule
(if teams take Train to Gambir continue with taxi/shuttle bus to CGK - Jakarta from Bandung)
1. Dep. 5.00 AM Arr. 7.54 AM
2. Dep. 7.15 AM Arr. 10.20 AM
3. Dep. 9.00AM Arr. 12.00 PM
4. Dep. 12.00PM Arr. 2.54PM
--> Edited, Sorry...
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If they arrived in Singapore from BKK they could have also been on Tiger TR 2109 that arrives at 2330 SGP time or Jet Star 3K 518 that arrives at midnight, or Jet Star 3K 514 that arrives at 0040 or Tiger TR 2115 that arrives at 0100...
You're right Angeldanger, but this is the most likely flight given the spoilers we have.
The teams were spotted by two tweeters travelling together in a larger group from Bangkok to Singapore, and onwards to Moscow. They have a photo from Bangkok with the time on it and their tweets upon arrival in Singapore set the other time boundary, limiting the possible flights to four. Among those, Singapore Airlines is the only one that connects with the flight to Moscow; the others are budget airlines that aren't booked in tandem with a transcontinental flight, especially not when a big group is involved. So I actually am quite certain that the teams seen were on SQ 981.
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Qantas is not Qatar. :)
So we're looking at QR 96 from Vienna to Doha, 1555-2215.
Which actually narrows things down a bit, if we assume that teams can get to their destination through Doha faster rather than through Dubai. There are a few flights today from Vienna to Dubai, so the chances of selling out are lower. Presumably they're not connecting to fly back to Europe, and presumably they're not going to Saudi Arabia or Iran (problematic for female racers)...
Looking pretty
Mahe, Seychelles
Colombo
Kathmandu
Kozhikode, Kerala
Less likely
Doha (night arrival)
Bahrain (night arrival)
Melbourne (too far a jump)
Jakarta (too much Indonesia recently)
Ho Chi Minh City (visited last season)
Baghdad
Benghazi
Erbil
Cities faster through Vienna-Dubai flight
Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Ras al-Khaymah, Sharjah, Kuwait
Nairobi, Khartoum, Lagos, Entebbe
Male, Delhi, Karachi, Peshawar, Dhaka, Lahore
Osaka, Tokyo, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, Guangzhou, Beijing, Perth
Cities faster through other flights
Casablanca, Cairo, Istanbul, Algiers, Ankara, Tunis, Tripoli, Johannesburg, Dar es Salaam
Moscow, Amman, Baku, Muscat, Beirut
Hong Kong, Manila, Seoul, Bangkok, Shanghai
I was checking out the math here and I think there may be a mistake in the conclusion that Abu Dhabi be de-considered based on faster flight through Dubai.
Based on the apparent access to a flight leaving Vienna at 3:55 pm on June 22nd one would expect the earliest flight they could have used from Vienna to Dubai was EK 128 leaving Vienna at 3:30 pm and arriving in Dubai at 10:55 pm. Then, looking at what was available at DXB from 11:55 pm onward, the next flight to Abu Dhabi would be ... none. There are no direct flights from DXB to AUH. So, is there a quick connection? The time to beat would be QR 122 which leaves DOH at 11:59 pm and arrives at AUH at 2:00 am on the 23rd. Looking at AUH arrivals making it before 2:00 am on the 23rd there is no matched city to departures from DXB except for Kuwait which doesn't work because EK 853 arrives in Kuwait after 9W 575 leaves. Can't make the connection.
So my conclusion is that it is possible that Teams went to Abu Dhabi using this flight combination on June 22nd: :tup:
QR 96 leaving Vienna at 3:55 pm and arriving in Doha at 10:15 pm
QR 122 leaving Doha at 11:59 pm and arriving in Abu Dhabi at 2:00 am
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Only if TPTB forced their hand and made them fly to Abu Dhabi.
Emirates operates buses from Dubai Airport to Abu Dhabi and markets them as a through-ticket, even giving the buses "flight numbers" and all. It doesn't show up on FlightStats for obvious reasons, but try to get a flight from Vienna to Abu Dhabi on a normal travel website or Emirates.com and that's the option that shows up.
Abu Dhabi also does not work for the flight into Bandung. Teams would not have to connect through Bangkok to get to Singapore. There's a direct Abu Dhabi-Singapore flight that leaves an hour and a half after the Abu Dhabi-Bangkok flight.
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Only if TPTB forced their hand and made them fly to Abu Dhabi.
Emirates operates buses from Dubai Airport to Abu Dhabi and markets them as a through-ticket, even giving the buses "flight numbers" and all. It doesn't show up on FlightStats for obvious reasons, but try to get a flight from Vienna to Abu Dhabi on a normal travel website or Emirates.com and that's the option that shows up.
Abu Dhabi also does not work for the flight into Bandung. Teams would not have to connect through Bangkok to get to Singapore. There's a direct Abu Dhabi-Singapore flight that leaves an hour and a half after the Abu Dhabi-Bangkok flight.
That direct flight is with Ethiad Airways which may be on the WRP no fly list. :knuckles:
Here is a flight sequence that Teams could use from Abu Dhabi which ties in nicely with the two flights confirmed to have been used: (scheduled times shown here)
QR 121 leaving AUH at 5:55 am on the 26th and arriving at DOH at 5:55 am (same time due to peculiar timezone positioning!)
QR 608 leaving DOH at 8:25 am and arriving at BKK at 7:20 pm
QS 981 leaving BKK at 9:00 pm and arriving at SIN at 12:25 am on the 27th
QZ 8366 leaving SIN at 9:00 am and arriving at BDO at 9:40 am
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After a quick flight stats search
JQ 109 to Perth 1620-1955
and
BR 256 to Taipei 1615-2130
jump out.
Other then that, Singapore, Hong Kong, Jakarta, Bangkok, and Kuala Lumpur. But those don't seem likely to me.
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dpe, CTV 891 from BDO to DPS is 1235-1505 so I would assume they would connect in the afternoon of June 29th. :tup:
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VA 1440-1825 from Denpasar to Perth could be a flight for Phil & production crew.
And there's GA 2045-0030(+1) from Denpasar to Perth in case teams miss the tight connection.
I have a strong vibe on Perth.
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BDO to Denpasar
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These two are interesting: Tokyo, Taipei
Assumes JT 904
)-** )-** )-** Now ignore this! Period!
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I just checked Google to see where Denpasar was located, and according to my search, Denpasar received multiple inches of rain causing major flooding up to 50 cm deep. Hope they are not heading there!
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Forget about DPS teams now on-route to singapore...!! )-**
SIN Singapore MI 191 Silkair 10:10 AM
SIN Singapore SQ 5191^ Singapore Airlines 10:10 AM...!!!!
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SIA has various late-night Australian flights that arrive late night for teams to get on.
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Forget about DPS teams now on-route to singapore...!! )-**
SIN Singapore MI 191 Silkair 10:10 AM
SIN Singapore SQ 5191^ Singapore Airlines 10:10 AM...!!!!
Ha! Manila is back in the game:
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It would be helpful if I was not the one having to post ALL the options?? Busy here! :funny:
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BDO to Singapore
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(http://i43.[banned image hosting site].com/1zgas09.jpg)
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I'm going to stalk the Philippines Airlines Terminal 2 counter. I am seriously seriously thinking Philippines Airlines and not Cebu Pacific. Let's see!
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(http://i43.[banned image hosting site].com/1zgas09.jpg)
Please be there Jobby... :hoot:
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DEpartures SIN to Manila only:
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DEpartures SIN to Manila only:
What if they have already booked their tickets for the connecting leg and most of the time unless they're switching to a budget carrier they will not have to exit arrivals and re-enter the terminal since you can take the internal sky train in the transit area to connect terminals.
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SQ 916 MORE LIKELY. Singapore Airlines allow transit passengers up to even 5 mins from flight departure time. If they are really going to Manila.
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Man is just spec!
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Wondering why not to try asking the check in counter personal for the the final destination.
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Wondering why not to try asking the check in counter personal for the the final destination.
I'm leaving my house now
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Hurry. :)
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Sgpore is very strict ... Bandung may was easy to try as they quite loose n frenly like here in msia.
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It's possible the blondes are on this:
SQ 38 from Singapore to Los Angeles, 1620-1750
Game over for them.
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It's possible the blondes are on this:
SQ 38 from Singapore to Los Angeles, 1620-1750
Game over for them.
Not seen at the gate.
Doesn't mean they weren't holed up in a Club lounge though...
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spec on flights returning to U.S. on 06/30/2013
many more possible with connections. assuming SIN, SYD, MEL, OR MAN as departures.
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hong kong and Taiwan flights
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Also, there's a possibility flight between Melbourne to Los Angeles on United Airlines:
(http://oi44.[banned image hosting site].com/2qi0kr5.jpg)
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It is too soon guys, they won't be coming this soon, we have at least one leg to do!
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these flights are also available on 07/01/2013
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Arr and dep SIN term 1 @ approx time of sighting>> BDO there,
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Assuming the same flight our blondes were on yesterday, QZ 8361 from Bandung to Singapore, 30 Jun 1115-1355?
The question is: why didn't production speed it up and let teams take an earlier flight from Bandung to Singapore, 0540-0830?
Is it because teams will arrive at night if they took the earlier flight, or is it because their destination isn't served before that, making an earlier arrival in Singapore moot?
An example:
If Leg 11 was in Hong Kong, letting teams take the 5.40am flight from Bandung allows them to catch an earlier Singapore-Hong Kong connection (0955-1405), leaving them time in Hong Kong to film a leg today (30 Jun) afternoon.
Instead, the earliest time they can now arrive in Hong Kong is 6.50pm, an awkward time for filming unless they want a night leg.
Hence, Hong Kong is unlikely as their destination.
The same principle applies to Southeast Asia, I think.
Australia/Northeast Asia hence seems more likely. Their current trajectory allows them to fly and arrive the morning of 1 Jul (date fixed). (Taking the earlier Bandung-Singapore flight would make them arrive the evening of 30 Jun, again awkward for filming.)
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By report no racers on this flight:
6/30
(SQ) Singapore Airlines 918
(SIN) Singapore, SG to (MNL) Manila, PH
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Too bad.. Night leg in HK would be nice you know... The lights in the harbor etc...
Today the airport in HK was crowded with Apple waiting for racers to show up o.o
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Myanmar confirmed?
Then the flight from Bangkok connected through Singapore before they land in Bandung is all on the straight line...
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All we have is a pic of Phil at the Parkroyal in Yangon posted on June25th.
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Well, it's hard to imagine Phil taking side trips in the middle of filming the Race, and having a date like that certainly helps piece together the timeline of the filming of this Race.
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Well pre-supposing that Tokyo is Leg 11, that leaves a lot of US cities for the finale. All these cities have direct nonstop flights from Tokyo (Narita-NRT). The number after a city is the number of flights to that city/airport. Cities that are bolded, have not hosted a start or a finish.
Atlanta, Ga
Boston, Ma-2
Chicago, IL-4
Dallas, Tx-2
Denver, Co
Detroit, Mi
Honolulu, Hi-9
Houston, Tx
Los Angeles, Ca - 8
Minneapolis, Mn
New York (JFK)-4
Newark, Nj
Portland, Or
San Diego, Ca
San Francisco, Ca-4
San Jose, Ca
Seattle, Wa-3
Washington, DC-2
There are a few flights from Tokyo's other airport to the US.....Haneda HND
Honolulu, Hi -3
Los Angeles, Ca -2
San Francisco, Ca
Seattle, Wa
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If they arrived in Singapore on the 8:30am flight on Saturday (June 29, 2013)
the most likely flight they would have taken to Tokyo would be
S Q 12 which departs at 9:25am from terminal 3.
That's the flight that they possibly got on, if they went directly to Tokyo via SG after Bandung and had no leg in between Bandung and Tokyo.
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The newest tweet saw teams in Singapore at around 2.45pm on 30 Jun 2013.
This means:
QZ 8361 from Bandung to Singapore, 1115-1355
SQ 638 from Singapore to Tokyo, 2355-0800
I couldn't find a faster flight out of Singapore via Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing, Seoul, or Taipei.
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Apskip has been uncontactable lately. He would have come up with some good combinations.
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Apskip has been uncontactable lately. He would have come up with some good combinations.
OMG! You don't know the news??? :ascared
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Apskip has been uncontactable lately. He would have come up with some good combinations.
Fyi, he passed away last month, :(
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Apskip has moved on to greater things (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,28916.0.html) and is now correcting the angels on how the world should be run...
Correction: There are several faster flights, just none that arrive the very same evening (30 Jun). The earliest to arrive is via Hong Kong, arriving at 6.10am, two hours before the direct Singapore-Tokyo flight:
SQ 870 from Singapore to Hong Kong, 1900-2245 (among other flights)
CX 524 from Hong Kong to Tokyo, 0100-0610
This is followed closely by a Bangkok connection:
TR 2114 from Singapore to Bangkok, 1925-2055 (among other flights)
TG 640 from Bangkok to Tokyo, 2210-0620
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Do remember that the second Singapore tweet is UNSUPPORTED. A tweet, nothing more. NO photos, NO team descriptions. I have no reason to disbelieve it...but just saying. It appears to conflict with earlier evidence regarding when teams MAY have left Indo.
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The newest tweet saw teams in Singapore at around 2.45pm on 30 Jun 2013.
This means:
QZ 8361 from Bandung to Singapore, 1115-1355
SQ 638 from Singapore to Tokyo, 2355-0800
I couldn't find a faster flight out of Singapore via Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing, Seoul, or Taipei.
There are 4 other flights to Tokyo's other airport, Haneda.
Time stated would be departure times.
1.
15:00 SINGAPORE AIRLINES
SQ634
Tokyo (Haneda)
Codeshare with: ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS (NH)NH6256
VIRGIN AUSTRALIAVA5602
2. 21:30 SINGAPORE AIRLINES SQ636
Tokyo (Haneda)
Codeshare with:
ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS (NH)NH6258
VIRGIN AUSTRALIAVA5604
3. 21:45ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS (NH)NH152
Tokyo (Haneda)
Codeshare with:
SINGAPORE AIRLINES SQ5906
4. 21:50JAPAN AIRLINESJL36
Tokyo (Haneda)
Code share with:
AMERICAN AIRLINESAA5868
QANTAS AIRWAYSQF4025
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Flights from Juneau to Hoonah are 20 minutes:
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And it is letting me book so maybe not us? ???
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And it is letting me book so maybe not us? ???
There was another float plane service. Also, they may be all done with flying by now.
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Here are the transportation flight schedules between Tokyo to Juneau (July 2nd):
DL156 from Tokyo-Narita to Seattle, 1524-0812 (scheduled 1530-0815) (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,28799.msg894659.html#msg894659)
AS75 from Seattle to Juneau, 1121-1239 (scheduled 1120-1250) (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,28799.msg894644.html#msg894644)
Edited right per live sightings thread.
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No claude, it is Delta 156 from NRT to SEA. :tup:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,28799.msg894659.html#msg894659
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The distance shown (less than 1 hour driving time) explained why the racers appeared at LAX early in the morning ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/kXuUm15.jpg)
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And the entry vehicles will be...what else? stagecoaches. :)
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Damn you are good!! :funny:
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I was looking back at sightings and transportation thread. I didn't see this airport mentioned. Evenes/Halstad/Narvik International Airport (EVE). It is located 99 miles from Svolvaer, down the E10 highway, back toward Narvik. This airport has connections to Oslo and Bodo. Six r/t a day from Oslo to Evenes on 737s. Might not work for getting to Svolvaer, but sure looks like the way out.
I remember in TAR17, that TPTB had teams driving in this part of the world.
I haven't checked the flights to see if any would fit....I am not really sure of any times that teams were spotted in Norway anyway.
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These are flight options on Sunday, June 16th from Oslo to Evenes. Evenes is 99 miles from Svolvaer on the same side of the fijord. Evenes even lists a flight to Narita. It is a regional airport for northern Norway. Notice that all flights are on 737 aircraft...not the small 40 passenger jets.
DY 360 8:55 AM (8:51 AM) 10:35 AM (10:19 AM) 73H
SK 4086 11:30 AM (11:37 AM) 1:05 PM (1:06 PM) 738
DY 364 1:20 PM (1:21 PM) 3:00 PM (2:48PM) 73H
SK 4094 3:50 PM (4:02 PM) 5:30 PM (5:30 PM) 738
DY 366 5:55 PM (5:57 PM) 7:35 PM (7:28 PM) 73H
SK 4098 8:20 PM (8:39 PM) 9:55 PM (10:12 PM) 738
DY 368 10:15 PM (10:17 PM) 11:55 PM (11:54 PM) 73H
TP768 is the one direct flight from Lisbon to Oslo. This is actually a good escape flight for Phil, if he didn't fly the night before after the Pit Stop. Production could delay teams release from Lisbon Pit Stop, to insure they do not make this flight. There are multiple flights from Lisbon to all the rest of the main European connecting airports and then multiple flights from those airports to Oslo.
TP768 8:55 AM (9:31 AM) 1:55 PM (1:55 PM)
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I had thought that the midnight sighting in Svolvaer matched up pretty well with a flight to Bodo, then the ferry across to Svolvaer. The timings work out, not sure about this option through Evenes?
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Well if Santiago is a NEL as some have speculated, then that means 9 teams going to Lofoten area. That is 36 people, not counting associated production. To me, sort of rules out the 37 passenger jets for the Oslo to Bodo journey.
Oslo to Evenes
SK 4098 8:20 PM (8:39 PM) 9:55 PM (10:12 PM) 738 (100+ passenger jet)
This flight provides time for the ~2 hour drive from Evenes airport to Svolvaer with arrival at about midnight. That is if they are driving. I haven't found any evidence of a late night bus service. They did drive in this part of the world in TAR 17. Midnight sun means no night driving in the fjords either. Anyway.....have no idea if this happened......just another alternative.
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Ok, this is the post on FB that Stylemikro found:
XXXXXXXXXX in The Amazing Race
8 hours ago.
Just seen them at Lisbon airport!
I calculate this to be 1:23 PM/1323 in Lisbon airport. Next sighting is in Svolvaer at midnight.
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With Slowhatch's new ID of Henningsvaer from The Intro caps...
My GUESS would be that teams were in Svolvaer to get cars.
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Flights from Santiago to Lisbon shown in the preview caps in Episode 3 thread:
TAM Airlines Flight 8029 from Santiago to Sao Paulo-Guarulhos, 0700 (6/14) - 1249 (6/14) (delayed 1:09 late)
TAP Portugal Flight 86 from Sao Paulo-Guarulhos to Lisbon, 1734 (6/14) - 0709 (6/15) (:09 on time)
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And if one were stuck at Sao Paolo without tickets for the TP 86 direct to Lisbon, here are the next best options:
Via Sao Paolo to Lisbon: 1400-1510, 1705-0640 (arriving before the direct flight)
Via Madrid to Lisbon: 1510-0620 (delayed to arrive in Madrid 0803), 0735-0750 or 0950-1005
Via Salvador to Lisbon: 1515-1728, 2205-1020
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Santiago to Lisbon flights
Jason/Amy, Nicole/Travis and Nicky/Kim via Sao Paulo
JJ8029, SCL-GRU, 0700-1249 (scheduled 0650-1140)
TP86, GRU-LIS, 1734-0709+1 (scheduled 1710-0700+1)
Note: Nicky/Kim originally booked TP88 flight to Lisbon that would arrive at 12:00 noon, and they changed their mind to get the earlier flight at 7:00 am.
Tim/Danny and Brandon/Adam via Buenos Aires and Madrid
H2501, SCL-EZE, 0730-1037 (scheduled 0730-1035)
IB6842, EZE-MAD, 1342-0636+1 (scheduled 1325-0620+1)
NI1011, MAD-LIS, 0950+1-0954+1 (scheduled 0950+1-1005+1)
Ally/Ashley and Leo/Jamal via Buenos Aires and London
LA455, SCL-EZE, 0830-1134 (scheduled 0830-1135)
BA244, EZE-LHR, 1309-0613+1 (scheduled 1300-0600+1)
TP353, LHR-LIS, 0837+1-1050+1 (scheduled 0815+1-1055+1)
Tim/Marie via Sao Paulo
JJ8029, SCL-GRU, 0700-1249 (scheduled 0650-1140)
TP88, GRU-LIS, 2301-1252+1 (scheduled 2225-1215+1)
Chester/Ephraim via different cities
H2505, SCL-EZE, 0230-0521 (scheduled 0230-0535)
UX42, EZE-MAD, 1740-? (scheduled 1210-0530+1) - originally booked, ticket counter purchased wrong airplane tickets to Madrid and itinerary got scrambled
IB6842, EZE-MAD, 1342-0636+1 (scheduled 1325-0620+1) - missed connection
JJ8019, EZE-GRU, 2032-2245 (scheduled 1720-2000) - booked, rerouted; but arrived almost three hours late
TP88, GRU-LIS, 2301-1252+1 (scheduled 2225-1215+1) - missed connection once again
BA246, GRU-LHR, 0334+1-1833+1 (scheduled 1615-0720+1) - found the better flight and rerouted, arrived 11 hours and 11 minutes late
TP367, LHR-LIS, 2128+1-2315+1 (scheduled 2035+1-2315+1)
Sunset in Lisbon on June 15th, 2013 was on 9:03 pm local time, Chester/Ephraim arrived approximately past 12:00 am on June 16th, Phil is at Lisbon Portela Airport along with production crew. Civil twilight ended in Lisbon on that date was 9:35 pm.
Editor's note: I now have changed the actual times of Tim/Danny and Brandon/Adam flights and see photos attached below, although they booked their flights to Lisbon and captioned on screen that their flight is showing via Madrid without mentioning of Buenos Aires. As for Chester/Ephraim, they were in international airspace and territory for 1 day and 16.5 hours between 2:35 am on June 14th (Santiago time) and ~12:00 am on June 16th (Lisbon time).
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:tu Claude!!
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Santiago to Lisbon flights
Tim/Danny and Brandon/Adam via Madrid
IB6830, SCL-MAD, 1118-0623+1 (scheduled 1120-0620+1)
NI1011, MAD-LIS, 0950+1-0954+1 (scheduled 0950+1-1005+1)
Chester/Ephraim via different cities
AC92, SCL-EZE, 1030-1318 (scheduled 1020-1320) - ticket counter purchased wrong tickets in LAN flight to Buenos Aires, itinerary got scrambled
IB6842, EZE-MAD, 1342-0636+1 (scheduled 1325-0620+1) - missed connection
JJ8019, EZE-GRU, 2032-2245 (scheduled 1720-2000) - booked; but arrived almost three hours late
TP88, GRU-LIS, 2301-1252+1 (scheduled 2225-1215+1) - missed connection once again
JJ8084, GRU-LHR, 2359-1456+1 (scheduled 2355-1500+1) - booked, rerouting route
TP377, LHR-LIS, 1917+1-2110+1 (scheduled 1830+1-2110+1)
Sunset in Lisbon on June 15th, 2013 was on 9:03 pm local time, Chester/Ephraim arrived approximately 10:00 pm. But, civil twilight ended in Lisbon on that date was 9:35 pm.
Tim/Danny and Brandon/Adam may have been through EZE on their way to Madrid, as there was a shot of Brandon/Adam sitting on a sky airlines plane, which I think is H2 501 SCL-EZE 0730-1035, followed by IB 6842 EZE-MAD 1325-0620+1 (1342-0636+1)
For Chester/Ephraim:
First They stated that they arrived in EZE at 5:30 in the morning, making their first part of the trip H2 505 SCL-EZE 0230-0535 (0230-0521) (I think there is also a shot of them boarding a sky airlines plane)
Second they stated that their next leg is delayed for 4 hours, so their iternary was UX 42 EZE-MAD 1210-0530+1. Flightstats has a departure time of 1730 for that flight (which is ultimately a 5.5 hours delay), with arrival time unknown. Of course at this time they cannot possibly make their original flight from Madrid to Lisbon, which should be P6 1151 MAD-LIS 0640-0700 (0640-0656). The arrival ETA of the Air Europa flight is around 11am if in-flight time remains the same, which can still help them make TP 1013 MAD-LIS 1210-1225 (1227-1231), actually before Tim/Marie arrives.
However, they chose to reroute through GRU, on JJ 8019 EZE-GRU 1720-2000 (2032-2245). It got delayed for almost 3 hours, and caused them to miss TP 88 GRU-LIS 2225-1215+1 (2301-1252+1) (which left late but not late enough unfortunately).
At this point they went to ticket agent and they stated that they got a British Airways flight to London that leaves at 3:45AM in the morning of 6/15. This is where confusion starts as I cannot find this flight anywhere. I see no flights going to Europe from GRU on 6/15 from 12AM-6AM except one to Istanbul, which is way too far. On the screen above ticket counter there is a time display of 01:42AM so that might make JJ 8084 impossible. But of course that shot could've been from any other airport they've been to. (I noticed in the close shot of the ticket that they used at this particular point shows AA252...)
Assume that they somehow got to London in the afternoon, they had another flight delay which the screenshot only shows "Delayed 2115" (notice in the screenshot the city name ends with "i", so that might be irrelevant anyways). If that is departure time in LHR their final leg may have been TP 367 LHR-LIS 2035-2315 (2128-????)
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Now THAT is a first post! :hearts:
:bigwelcome to RFF!!
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Not sure if this is for the ep thread, but I'll try it here: can anybody decipher this?
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Not sure if this is for the ep thread, but I'll try it here: can anybody decipher this?
:groan: are those her Frequent Flyer Miles account numbers? :ascared
...I know United FF accounts start with 2 Alpha characters.... hmmmmm
and Deltas FF accounts are 10 numeric digits long...hmmmm
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EK for Emirates =Flight number.
Delta doesn't have DL though, I don't think they're flight numbers.
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Teams are not allowed to use any existing personal FF miles, Crown accounts, etc. And that could not possibly be her OWN phone anyway. :lol:
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Teams are not allowed to use any existing personal FF miles, Crown accounts, etc. And that could not possibly be her OWN phone anyway. :lol:
Agree that teams are not allowed to use there personal FF accounts for upgrades, but is there any rule that says they cannot accrue miles on their own accounts? That would explain the FF accounts on that mobile device. I assume it was just borrowed device.
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Not while the race is running. Some racers have been able to go back later and file for miles though... As far as I know, you don't get to take any of that info with you. Again, no way is that her phone...
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Not sure if this contributes to figuring it out, but my Emirates frequent flier number goes EK 123 456 789 and my United one goes ABC 12345. :)
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Thanks Claude and Mylomilk!
One really minor nitpick in Claude's updated timeline: Tim/Danny and Brandon/Adam took H2 501 from Santiago to Buenos Aires as Mylomilk noted, not H2 730. (Probably just a typo!) :)
Also wanted to confirm how you got Chester/Ephraim's final arrival time in Lisbon? There was a shot of a watch when they were talking to Phil, but my copy of the episode isn't clear enough. Did it say midnight?
Responding to Mylomilk's question about the Sao Paulo to London flight (using Claude's data): the GRU-LHR flight Chester/Ephraim took was scheduled to have left long ago, but the flight itself was delayed so much (11 hours!) that they could book tickets on it.
One more thing of note: Did Chester/Ephraim panic in Buenos Aires? There arrived in Buenos Aires ahead of Tim/Danny, Brandon/Adam, Leo/Jamal, and Ally/Ashley; could they have just tried to get tickets on those, all of which arrived before the Sao Paolo-Lisbon flight they were trying to get?
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Not sure if this contributes to figuring it out, but my Emirates frequent flier number goes EK 123 456 789 and my United one goes ABC 12345. :)
United starts with 3 alpha characters, but my United is an old Continental account and they start with 2 alpha characters similar to the one in the photo
Also the format on the Delta number in the photo fits the same format as my Delta FF number too.
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In the interviews they say they were 22+ hours behind the other teams when Phil eliminated them. Extended PitStop??
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Can't be. The teams arrived in Lisbon to race on 15 Jun (mentioned this last episode), and were seen at midnight of 16/17 Jun in Svolvaer. They must have been released sometime over the daytime of 16 Jun.
Earliest reasonable flight for Phil to get out is TP 768 from Lisbon to Oslo, 0855-1355 on the morning of 16 Jun. We'll see how much of a lead they give him over the teams.
22+ hours behind the lead teams puts them arriving in Lisbon at 5am, and no flight from anywhere arrives near that time; I think they were exaggerating. I agree with Claude and Mylomilk that they were around 16h behind.
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Hey Slowhatch........
Not sure if this is for the ep thread, but I'll try it here: can anybody decipher this?
How about this scenario........the mobile device belongs to either Nicole/Travis's soundman or cameraman. It is bigger than a phone, looks more like a mini iPad/tablet to me. Anyway he has a page with all his FF numbers stored in the device so he can get FF miles when racers have to book his seats...when they book theirs. I doubt that their is/are any rule(s) about crew using devices or accruing FF miles. I certainly could be wrong, but makes sense to me.
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I think it could be a crew passport that Nicole is handing over as they book the tickets...
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Works for me..........both of them as a matter of fact......one on top of the other.
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I believe the FF miles get associated with the credit card the teams use for paying for flight tickets, which would mean that WRP would get the FF miles.
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I believe the FF miles get associated with the credit card the teams use for paying for flight tickets, which would mean that WRP would get the FF miles.
I don't think so.... but mystery solved?
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Corey S: Exactly how many hours were you guys behind?
Chester - 22 hours
and 33 minutes
Ephraim - That's a pretty good assessment. We were about a day
behind
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Corey S: Exactly how many hours were you guys behind?
Chester - 22 hours
and 33 minutes
Ephraim - That's a pretty good assessment. We were about a day
behind
If flights arrived from 7AM till 12PM, how could they be 22h behind if they arrived there inthe middle of the night? Only reasonable thing is they got in Lisbon at 5:32 AM the following day, which is quite improbable knowing their flight came from London, and those do not usually fly aduring the night.
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Edit: Wow, there are so many ways to get between these airports I thought were small!
All the connections. surprising, do make some sense. Trondheim, Bergen and Stavanger are all ports that service the Norweigen North Sea oil fields. Gdansk is a world famous shipbuilding center. I would think that Norway has recruited a lot of shipbuilders/ironworkers from Poland to build/maintain all the offshore platforms in the North Sea. So airlines would want to have available seats for all these workers going back and forth.
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:hoot:
We've been assuming teams -flew- into Svolvaer, but here's an option that gives us a perfect sighting time for midnight the night of 16 Jun 2013:
TP 768 from Lisbon to Oslo. 0855-1355
(Flights via Copenhagen also possible)
SK 4116 from Oslo to Bodo, 1535-1705
SK 4122 from Oslo to Bodo, 1715-1840
DY 350 from Oslo to Bodo, 1750-1920
Ferry from Bodo to Svolvaer, 2030-2329
Question, though, in light of the TBC. Teams checked in in the Lofoten on the early morning of the 17th, but do not leave Trondheim until the morning of the 19th? Did I get that right? That means they've got two whole days (with no Pit Stop in between) to travel down Norway?
The simplest way to get from the Lofoten to Trondheim would get them in a day ahead, arriving in Trondheim that evening and ready for flights to Poland on the 18th:
Ferry from Svolvaer to Bodo, 17/0630-1000
Train from Bodo to Trondheim, 1215-2205
Where did that extra day come from?
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Maybe some kind of weather delay coud affect their departure time? is there a way to check this?
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I checked the weather for Svolvaer, Bodo, Trondheim, Oslo and Gdansk for June 16th-18th on http://wunderground.com (http://wunderground.com) and saw nothing unusual. It rained in Trondheim on the 17th (0.20") and was breezy (up to 25 mph) and Oslo reported a thunderstorm on the 17th but neither one should have stopped air travel for very long.
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How sure are we that they got to Gdansk by plane? If we talk about such delay I immediately think about a Stena Line ferry from Karlskrona (Sweden) to Gdynia (Poland). Maybe that would explain the delay. What do you yhink about that?
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At the beginning of the episode, after leaving for the ferry dock from the pitstop, one of the teams mentioned that the ferry trip was 34 hours, and the ferry didn't open until 8:30 a.m., and that teams then flew to Poland
That alone should help explain the 2 day gap that had some of y'all wondering what was going on. By my rough calculus, teams wouldn't have reach Gdansk until the afternoon of the third day (as it was clear teams were reaching the pitstop in the afternoon and evening before sunset that day.)
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Ah, I should have followed up on this! They took the Hurtigruten ferry, a cruise ship sailing up and down the Norwegian coast. (As opposed to a short ferry then a train, which is much faster.) There is some historical data on their website, which shows the M/S Lofoten departing Svolvaer on 17 Jun at 8.30pm, arriving at Trondheim the morning of 19 Jun at 6.30am. Timeline fits, two whole days eaten up, and mystery solved!
Have to watch the episode again, not sure which exact flight they took? (It should be the flight our spoiler sighting has them travelling on; the rest of production should have left straight from Bodo or Svolvaer.)
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Ah, I should have followed up on this! They took the Hurtigruten ferry, a cruise ship sailing up and down the Norwegian coast. (As opposed to a short ferry then a train, which is much faster.) There is some historical data on their website, which shows the M/S Lofoten departing Svolvaer on 17 Jun at 8.30pm, arriving at Trondheim the morning of 19 Jun at 6.30am. Timeline fits, two whole days eaten up, and mystery solved!
Have to watch the episode again, not sure which exact flight they took? (It should be the flight our spoiler sighting has them travelling on; the rest of production should have left straight from Bodo or Svolvaer.)
The stock footage shows a Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) plane. According to Wikipedia, they fly from Oslo and Copenhagen to Gdansk.
Man where's apskip when you need him?
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Have it figured out, assuming all teams took the same flight as was presented on the show:
The ferry was scheduled to arrive in Trondheim at 6.30am on 19 Jun. Have to assume that teams didn't arrange for flights that left Trondheim before this, even if the ferry ended up arriving a little early! It's 30min to the airport and 45min to check in before the flight, so teams wouldn't have booked anything leaving before 7.45am.
A photo of a team posing was posted at 2.08pm local time in Gdansk. Taking off 15min to exit the airport, 23min for the ride via Solidarity Square to the Golden Gate, and another 15min to walk to the Neptune Fountain and get dressed, the flight arrived no later than 1.15pm.
The only itineraries that fit this are routings via Oslo. There are multiple options for each leg, however, but our analysis precludes teams transferring via Copenhagen, meaning Wikipedia is more than likely wrong (shocker!):
SK 343 from Trondheim to Oslo, 0750-0845
DY 747 from Trondheim to Oslo, 0800-0855
SK 345 from Trondheim to Oslo, 0820-0915
DY 749 from Trondheim to Oslo, 0830-0925
DY 751 from Trondheim to Oslo, 0920-1015
SK 347 from Trondheim to Oslo, 0920-1015
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DY 1052 from Oslo to Gdansk, 1100-1225
SK 4789 from Oslo to Gdansk, 1120-1250
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If the ferry offices opened at 8:30 am and the teams departed at 8:30 pm, and arrived 34 hours later to get to the airport....then we have teams waiting from the evening of day 1 for 24 hours to embark on the ferry and by the time they get to the airport to book their flights, they've already been going on the leg for 60 hours; and add to that that one of the teams mention when they were self-driving to the Viking Longhouse that they had already been going for 30 hours; then by the time teams checked in with Phil, they had put in nearly 100 hours since the last pit stop rest period. If that isn't a record for TAR, it's pretty damn close.
The killer fatigue on the next leg should be horrendous.
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Leg 4 started in Sintra/Lisbon on the night of 14 Jun and ended in the early morning of 17 Jun, and Leg 5 continued to the afternoon of 19 Jun.
Agreed on the really, really long leg, but I would have felt rejuvenated! An entire day (with a car still, if production let them keep it) to sightsee in Svolvaer, and two nights on a bed on the comfortable Hurtigruten ferry, where each cabin comes with its own private toilet and shower? Sure beats having to squeeze time out of a short Pit Stop, plus there's less interviews to do and more time to hang out with the other racers!
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It does appear that the teams finished Leg 4 in the morning of June 17. The ferry possibly left at 8:30 pm. We are not really sure are we of this timetable? Neobie said some historical data. Nevertheless.......if accurate, then teams would have probably found some place to sleep all day. A hostel possibly. Left on the 34 hour ferry ride....and do what....stay awake all that time? They probably grouped up to get cheap rates for a cabin, like they have done before in TAR and slept their way to Trondheim.
So yes it was a long two legs in terms of calendar time.....but there was also plenty of time to sleep. None of the teams seemed all that exhausted in Gdansk. As Neobie has pointed out...the preferred hotels that TAR uses for pit stops are right by the pier. So it is possible that Production sequestered the teams in a hotel before flying to Vienna.
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The Hurtigruten website isn't going to let you book a ride from its website, but if you go to "Sailing Schedule" (http://www.hurtigruten.com/schedule/sailing-plan/) it lets you search for Svolvaer departures in June 2013, and the M/S Lofoten does indeed leave that night at 8.30pm.
The arrival time can be found by trying to book a ferry for the summer of 2014 (spaces are actually quite tight, so production might have booked the tickets beforehand!), which reveals the arrival time in Trondheim to be 6.30am. (The boat later leaves port to continue south at 10.00am, according to the "Sailing Schedule".)
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Thanks to Peach, screencaps from CBS:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2023%20promos/Ep%206%20Vienna/Press%20Pics/Jamal-LeoX.jpg)
Leo and Jamal are waiting for this train:
D 407 from Warsaw Central to Vienna Westbahnhof, 20/2054-21/0632
And the latest they need to leave Gdansk to catch this is:
TLK 51116 from Gdansk to Warsaw Central, 20/1448-2006
It is possible to get off the train on the Czech/Austrian border at Hohenau to shave 15min off and arrive at a more central station, closer to the Palais Augarten:
TLK 51116 from Gdansk to Warsaw Central, 20/1448-2006
D 407 from Warsaw Central to Hohenau, 2054-21/0501
R 2307 from Hohenau to Vienna Praterstern, 0509-0613
Beating Leo/Jamal's train requires a departure from Gdansk at 5.50am (9 hours earlier!), but goes through Berlin and Munich and arrives only at 5.45am, less than an hour before Leo/Jamal's arrival. Miss Leo/Jamal's train, however, and you're looking at an arrival in Vienna at 6.24pm, a full 12 hours late. Not surprising if we get a full bunching.
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Thanks to the episode we can figure out the trains they took. The first five teams went on:
TLK57102 Gdańsk Główny -> Warszawa Centralna 10:15 - 16:44
TLK407 Warszawa Centralna -> Wien Westbahnhof 20:54 - 06:32+1
The last two teams took
TLK51116 Gdańsk Główny -> Warszawa Centralna 14:48 - 20:06
And in Warsaw they met up with the first teams.
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All the teams actually got off one stop early, at Vienna Meidling. The train was scheduled to arrive at 6.19am.
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We saw Nicky/Kim trying for this in the spoilers, but I guess that flight was full...
QR 96 from Vienna to Doha, 22/1555-2215
QR 120 from Doha to Abu Dhabi, 23/0235-0435
Leo/Jamal dodged a massive bullet! Here's the flight Travelocity offered:
AB 8137 from Vienna to Dusseldorf, 22/1915-2045 (actual 2040-2212)
AB 7460 from Dusseldorf to Abu Dhabi, 22/2130-23/0550
The first flight got delayed which would have left them stuck in Dusseldorf overnight.
The next best flight would have got them into Abu Dhabi at 7.05pm!
It was a non-elimination leg; what would the producers have done with a team 13 hours behind?
They smartly booked an earlier flight on a different airline to Dusseldorf:
VO 155 from Vienna to Dusseldorf, 22/1735-1910
AB 7460 from Dusseldorf to Abu Dhabi, 22/2130-23/0550
The other teams took these flights:
AB 8359 from Vienna to Berlin, 22/1505-1620
AB 7494 from Berlin to Abu Dhabi, 22/2250-23/0600
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Wow...shades of Brad and Victoria!
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Amazing. They were really smart. Deserve that 1st Place <3
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Flight from Abu Dhabi to Bandung, the teams were actually booked on these flights:
EY408 from Abu Dhabi to Bangkok-Suvarnabhumi, 26/0840-26/1838 (scheduled 0840-1805)
SQ981 from Bangkok-Suvarnabhumi to Singapore, 26/2056-27/0006 (scheduled 2100-0025+1)
QZ8366 from Singapore to Bandung, 27/0853-27/1009 (scheduled 0900+1-0940+1)
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Flights to Tokyo and Juneau:
Tokyo (June 30-July 1)
All teams
QZ8361 from Bandung to Singapore, 1100-1329 (scheduled 1105-1355)
Leo & Jamal
CX734 from Singapore to Hong Kong, 1614-1952 (scheduled 1605-2005)
CX524 from Hong Kong to Tokyo-Narita, 0056+1-0612+1 (scheduled 0100+1-0610+1)
The remaining teams
TG408 from Singapore to Bangkok-Suvarnabhumi, 1812-1946 (scheduled 1815-1935)
TG640 from Bangkok-Suvarnabhumi to Tokyo-Narita, 2211-0617+1 (scheduled 2220-0620+1)
Juneau (July 2)
DL156 from Tokyo-Narita to Seattle, 1524-0812 (scheduled 1530-0815) (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,28799.msg894659.html#msg894659)
AS75 from Seattle to Juneau, 1121-1239 (scheduled 1120-1250) (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,28799.msg894644.html#msg894644)