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Title: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2012, 01:50:38 PM
 
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Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 25, 2012, 06:35:19 PM
Excited!
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Declive on November 25, 2012, 06:38:33 PM
Good night everyone! Happy TAR day!

Let's work out in a LIVE TAR , yay!  :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Good TAR for everyone
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 06:57:31 PM
Hello! :waves: TAR is such a nice break from homework. :lol:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Declive on November 25, 2012, 07:01:05 PM
Previously on The Amazing Race!

Six teams keep racing in Moscow!

Josh and Brent struggled in the detour and got a penalty! James and Abba were worst than them!

Lexi and James got together in the roadblock! Jaymes overcame the pain and they won the leg!

James and Abba were eliminated! 5 teams remain , who will be eliminated next???
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:01:49 PM
Previously on The Amazing Race, 6 teams continued racing through Moscow, Russia.

Josh & Brent couldn't finish the detour and had a 4 hour penalty. James & Abba couldn't find their second passport, but they were still allowed to continue racing until a point where they needed to produce their passports.

Jaymes & Lexi went back to school at the roadblock. Natalie & Nadiya "ditched class" and used their Express Pass. James fought through a bad ankle for the detour and the Chips got first. James & Abba couldn't find the passport, and they were eliminated. 5 teams remain. Who will be eliminated next?
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Best Loser on November 25, 2012, 07:02:24 PM
It's on!!! Twins squealing for the stinger.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:09:58 PM
Moscow has the most billionaires than any other city in the world. Interesting.

Chips depart first at 7:32 PM. They have a flag. From that, they have to figure that they have to travel to the capital of The Netherlands, Amsterdam. Then proceed on a train to get their next clue. Chips go use computers to find out.

Trey & Lexi depart at 7:49 PM. Trey likes the Chips and Natalie & Nadiya. Their taxi driver tells them that the flag is France. Lexi thinks they're going to Paris. Trey: The only French I know is "oui." :lol: Chips ask them where they're going and tells them it's the Netherlands.

Natalie & Nadiya depart at 9:15 PM. "Bloody France." :lol: They figure out it's actually The Netherlands.

First flight arrives in 12:15 PM, but there's only 3 seats. Second flight arrives at 1:00 PM. Chips book the two seats. Trey & Lexi's flight arrives at 1:05 PM. There's a 45 minute layover for an earlier flight? Natalie & Nadiya convince their flight person to get a flight with a 1 hour layover. Their flight arrives at 11:30 (?) AM.

Abbie & Ryan depart at 5:28 PM. They're afraid that people are going to U-Turn them.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:13:47 PM
Twins are trying to convince people to U-Turn Abbie & Ryan. If it's a Double U-Turn, the first team that arrives there U-Turns Abbie & Ryan. Then the second team has to U-Turn the team that U-Turned Abbie & Ryan. Chips don't seem sure about it. They don't want to use the U-Turn if they don't have to.

Ryan & Abbie find a flight that transfers through Frankfurt... They decide to book it because the next flight arrives at 6 PM. Ryan & Abbie are deciding to book multiple flights...

Josh & Brent depart at 8:11 AM. HOLY COWS. :ascared

Natalie & Nadiya will fly through Rome. It arrives at 11:30 AM.
Jaymes & James have a direct flight that arrives at 12:15 PM.
Trey & Lexi have a flight through Larnaca that arrives at 1:05 PM.
Abbie & Ryan have booked two flights through Frankfurt that arrive 12:45 PM and 2:05 PM.
Josh & Brent have a flight through Oslo that arrives at 4:35 PM.

Natalie & Nadiya are the first team in Amsterdam. They find the clue. Fast Forward. They're taking it?
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 25, 2012, 07:16:09 PM
I bet Abby & Ryan will not be traveling to Frankfurt...ever :lol:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:16:59 PM
Fast Forward: Van Gogh Cafe and find a marked bus. They find someone to take them to the cafe.

The second flight arrives and the Chips are waiting for their train.

"OH MY GOD IT WAS RIGHT HERE......." :lol: Twins get on the bus.

Abbie & Ryan are trying to get on their transfer. They get told that their check-in is closed. Abbie & Ryan did not check in because they just got off a plane. The basically couldn't get the transfer and now have to take their second flight. Ryan hakes Frankfurt, Frankenstein... etc. They get on their second flight... But the airplane has mechanical difficulties. Ryan & Abbie have the worst of luck omg. Commercial.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: maxen on November 25, 2012, 07:17:20 PM
Airport drama  :hearts: love it love it.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 25, 2012, 07:18:45 PM
Oh and finally old style flights like OLD TAR <3
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 25, 2012, 07:18:54 PM
Frankfurt seems to be the unluckiest race city ever along with Moscow. :lol:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:22:17 PM
Ryan & Abbie find out that their plane is basically busted and they need to switch planes.

The Twins find out that they're on a boat bus. The bus goes into the water. :lol: Natalie & Nadiya have 7 minutes to eat 5 herrings each. Otherwise the bus will go out of water and return to the cafe. Then they have to wait 10 minutes before they try again. They start eating the fish. The fish is raw? :o They're like arguing with each other while doing this. :lol:

Chips see the fast forward. Route info: Make your way to a dock and find the Poffer...what what. Chips are going to the fast forward...
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:23:48 PM
The Twins finished the Fast Forward with about 45 seconds remaining. They get the episode quote. Make your way to the pit stop: House of Rembrant's Mistress.

Chips went the wrong way and find out that the twins got the FF. They're now going to Herring Market.

The twins now smell like fish. They're off to the pit stop.

Ryan & Abbie are now going to Amsterdam. Finally. Trey & Lexi arrive in Amsterdam.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:25:24 PM
Chips find a marked boat and now they're travelling on the canal to their next clue.

Trey & Lexi get to the clue box and they decide to not go for the FF. They're off to get their next clue.

Natalie & Nadiya are team #1. They do a shimmy. It's their number 1 dance. They've won $5000 each. "All the clothes we've wanted." :lol:

Pit stop:
1st - Natalie & Nadiya
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 25, 2012, 07:26:26 PM
"Tot Ziens! (good-bye)" :waves:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:27:34 PM
The Chips find Pofferjesboot (?) which turns out to be a boat. They eat some of the food and they get their next clue. Detour!

Detour: Back in Time or Organ to Grind.

Back in Time: They have to recreate Rembrant's famous painting with live extras. They have to place extras with their props in the same place. If it's correct, then they get the clue.

Organ to Grind: Find 1 of 3 giant street organs and while one team member operates the organ, the other must collect 30 euros of tips.

Chips do organ.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: RaceUntilWeDie on November 25, 2012, 07:30:33 PM
Back in Time is a really good task, but too bad it got paired up with such an overused task.. (make a certain amount of money by selling ____)
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:31:00 PM
"Caution: U-Turn ahead."

Organ person: "You have to do the muscle stuff." :lol: James is operating the organ while Jaymes tries to get money.

Trey & Lexi get their detour clue and they choose to do organ as well. Trey & Lexi would be mad if the Chips didn't use the U-Turn.

The money got slow for the Chips. They decide to take off their shirts and now they put on their Chippendale cuffs and collars! :lol: They're getting a bunch of money from guys. This grandma and their three grandkids gave 10 euros, enough for them to finish their task. Proceed to Museum Geelvinck for their next clue.

Josh & Brent found Ryan & Abbie at the airport. Oh dear. :stare They're with each other again.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:32:32 PM
Josh & Brent and Abbie & Ryan racing the leg together again.

The Chips find the Double U-Turn. Uh oh. What's going to happen... The Chips don't want to use the U-Turn. They thought that the Twins and Trey & Lexi would get there before them and do it so they wouldn't have to... They don't want to do it... Commercial.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 25, 2012, 07:32:52 PM
Phil...is talking in a low voice. :o
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: maxen on November 25, 2012, 07:33:06 PM
DO IT  :hoot: DO IT  :hoot:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: RaceUntilWeDie on November 25, 2012, 07:33:45 PM
Seriously, there should be a rule where teams can't work together in tasks. It just really kills the suspense.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:33:56 PM
DO IT  :hoot: DO IT  :hoot:

I hope they don't use it. :stare
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 25, 2012, 07:34:53 PM
Back in Time is a really good task, but too bad it got paired up with such an overused task.. (make a certain amount of money by selling ____)

Hmm... a technical Unfinished Business switchback (people replica) or the earn a specific amount of money... "Whatcha gon' do. Whatcha gon' do." :duno:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 25, 2012, 07:39:12 PM
Grandpa Nic @ the switchback memory! :hearts:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:41:35 PM
And we're back with the Chips deciding the U-Turn. Chips decide to use the U-Turn because they're the strongest team. :( They decide that they have to because they need the money and Ryan & Abbie are in their way. They feel bad. Find a bus to Ransdorp for the next clue.

Ryan & Abbie and Josh & Brent are off to the canal.

Trey & Lexi begin the organ detour.

Switchback: Ditch vaulting from Season 12! Clue will be printed on a pair of shoes once they vault across first. Then they have to vault back. Jaymes saw it before. James is doing the roadblock. James easily finishes the roadblock. Off to the pit stop!

Trey operates the organ while Lexi goes gets tips. Lexi uses her infectious personality and they finish the detour.

Ryan: "We're with our brothers with another mother." Josh & Brent and Ryan & Abbie are glad that they're racing with each other.

Jaymes & James are team #2. Jaymes hopes that they won't lose a friend. A bell rings right after Jaymes says that, and Jaymes says it's a sign from God. Jaymes has already sent a card to his parents saying that they won a million dollars due to arrive to them during the race. Jaymes is choked up while talking about this.

Ryan & Abbie and Josh & Brent are both doing painting. Ryan & Abbie hope that there's 1 U-Turn available so they can use it on Josh & Brent.

Trey & Lexi arrive at the U-Turn and they use it on the Chips.

Pit stop:
1st - Natalie & Nadiya
2nd - Jaymes & James
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:44:15 PM
Trey does the roadblock. He pole vaults across the ditch easily. They're off to the pit stop.

Josh & Brent and Ryan & Abbie continue doing the detour. Ryan & Abbie have their recreation approved. They're off to the U-Turn. Josh & Brent have their reaction approved. Now they're proceeding on foot to the U-Turn.

Trey & Lexi are team #3.

Pit stop:
1st - Natalie & Nadiya
2nd - Jaymes & James
3rd - Trey & Lexi
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 25, 2012, 07:44:57 PM
So clever!
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:45:30 PM
Ryan & Abbie and Josh & Brent are at the U-Turn. Ryan & Abbie find out that they've been U-Turned by Jaymes & James. Then they find out the second U-Turn has been used by Trey & Lexi on the Chips. Abbie says that they're done.

Commercial.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 25, 2012, 07:46:39 PM
Am I the only one who saw that greeter checking out the the boys? :lol:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Declive on November 25, 2012, 07:47:38 PM
Am I the only one who saw that greeter checking out the the boys? :lol:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: BitchBitch on November 25, 2012, 07:48:22 PM
Am I the only one who saw that greeter checking out the the boys? :lol:
omg really? :lol:
gonna rewatch the ep:lol3:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 25, 2012, 07:51:09 PM
Man, trying to sell stuff in the rain is tough :stare
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:52:48 PM
Abbie & Ryan were surprised the Chips U-Turned them. Josh & Brent are sorry that they couldn't get U-Turned by Abbie & Ryan. Abbie & Ryan are frustrated. Josh & Brent are having a talk about what to do. They figure out that one person has to step on the mat first, so they continue.

Ryan & Abbie are doing the organ detour. Abbie: "I wish you could run me over right now. It would be much easier." Abbie ends up dancing with a woman. "I better get a good donation for this!" The lady she danced with is donating enough so that she finishes. Ryan & Abbie both hug the nice woman. :hrt: Abbie starts crying to the woman. That woman was so nice omg.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:54:50 PM
Josh does the roadblock. And he falls as he walks towards the pole vault. He says he hurts his ankle. Josh makes both pole vaults. Brent: "I'll massage your foot all night!" :lol:

Abbie looks so upset. Ryan says the Chips stabbed them in the back. They proceed to the roadblock.

Josh & Brent are team #4. Phil says they don't seem happy about being 4th. Phil: "Would you like me to eliminate you and leave Abbie & Ryan in the race?" :lol: Brent says whoever wins will win, er something like that.

Pit stop:
1st - Natalie & Nadiya
2nd - Jaymes & James
3rd - Trey & Lexi
4th - Josh & Brent
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 07:56:16 PM
Ryan does the roadblock and has fallen in the water twice. Abbie talks about how much this day has sucked. Abbie & Ryan are the last team to arrive. And they have been eliminated from the race. Ryan doesn't know what to say. He says the Chips cost them $2 million. They're both pretty upset. :(

Pit stop:
1st - Natalie & Nadiya
2nd - Jaymes & James
3rd - Trey & Lexi
4th - Josh & Brent
5th - Ryan & Abbie (ELIMINATED)
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: BayBay on November 25, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
OMG
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Declive on November 25, 2012, 07:59:52 PM
HOW MUCH DID I WAIT FOR A TENNIS ROADBLOCK
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Polaroid on November 25, 2012, 08:00:28 PM
Next week on The Amazing Race...

On a stunning island in Spain, Josh has trouble with his ankle at a tennis roadblock? Trey & Lexi get a crash course in bull riding? Lexi hurts her finger?
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Best Loser on November 25, 2012, 08:00:46 PM
SPAIN  :yess:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2012, 08:01:05 PM
Just starting for me...see y'all later!! :waves:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 25, 2012, 08:01:16 PM
Omg I played that Bull task on my Wii!
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Kavie on November 25, 2012, 08:03:21 PM
Ryan does the roadblock and has fallen in the water twice. Abbie talks about how much this day has sucked. Abbie & Ryan are the last team to arrive. And they have been eliminated from the race. Ryan doesn't know what to say. He says the Chips cost them $2 million. They're both pretty upset. :(

Pit stop:
1st - Natalie & Nadiya
2nd - Jaymes & James
3rd - Trey & Lexi
4th - Josh & Brent
5th - Ryan & Abbie (ELIMINATED)

If they had know that the Chips have been convinced to do that  :duno:. And I never got the hate between the twin and Ryan and Abbie. I think Ryan and Abbie seem to be nice people  :duno:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: maxen on November 25, 2012, 08:06:50 PM
Omg I played that Bull task on my Wii!

On The Amazing Race game for Wii??


I liked this episode. The people from Amsterdam is really nice.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 25, 2012, 08:14:44 PM
I just think the top three teams were so cleaver with their elimination plan. I wonder if we will see this again in the future.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Jobby on November 25, 2012, 09:56:05 PM
And I forgot to wake up. :gaah:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Dånooky on November 25, 2012, 09:57:04 PM
I just think the top three teams were so cleaver with their elimination plan. I wonder if we will see this again in the future.
I'm kind of surprised it took this long for teams to come up with this, I'm guessing it would have happened this way last season if Dave & Rachel had U-Turned Brenchel, then Art & JJ would have probably nullified the other one. Or maybe if Kent & Vyxsin had been convinced to U-Turn the Globetrotters instead of Jaime & Cara  :duno:

I guess this is the first time teams actually agree on a strategy.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Alenaveda on November 25, 2012, 09:59:54 PM
I just think the top three teams were so cleaver with their elimination plan. I wonder if we will see this again in the future.
I'm kind of surprised it took this long for teams to come up with this, I'm guessing it would have happened this way last season if Dave & Rachel had U-Turned Brenchel, then Art & JJ would have probably nullified the other one. Or maybe if Kent & Vyxsin had been convinced to U-Turn the Globetrotters instead of Jaime & Cara  :duno:

I guess this is the first time teams actually agree on a strategy.

Paraphrasing J.J. words, "someone is playing this game strategically".
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Dånooky on November 25, 2012, 10:02:58 PM
Also, I really like the character development on this Season. At first it felt like Abbie & Ryan were the antagonists for stealing Amy & Daniel's shot at the 2Mill, and that Trexie and the Twinnies would be the good guys. Suddenly, the Twinnies are the hardcore amoral team that will do anything to win; Trexie were the formerly lawful good turned lawful evil, even being glad for getting rid of Abbie & Ryan; James & Jaymes were first the "alpha male" team, turned into the super friendly team, turned into the selfish team; finally, Abbie & Ryan turned from alpha couple to the team with extremely bad luck.

Very dynamic characterization indeed.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: ianthebalance on November 25, 2012, 11:37:51 PM
turned into the selfish team;

How are the Chippendales a selfish team?!!!  :groan:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Dånooky on November 25, 2012, 11:39:37 PM
turned into the selfish team;

How are the Chippendales a selfish team?!!!  :groan:
"Oh, we like Abbie & Ryan, our friends, but we have to think about our own goal, we wouldn't use the U-Turn otherwise"

They didn't use the U-Turn in spite, nor to save another team, they did it to make competition easier for themselves.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: theschnauzers on November 25, 2012, 11:57:49 PM
It's pretty clear (at least to me) that Jaymes and James struggled over whether to use the U-Turn at all.

There was one other team close behind them and who were also part of the pack....and Jamyes and James already knew that N-N had the fast forward and wouldn't be near the U-Turn board. I think the rationale they used, that Abbie-Ryan were a strong competitive team was the right logic, although they probably didn't know about the delay in Frankfurt for Abbie-Ryan and that it had put those two even with the Beekmans at the Amsterdam airport. From what they knew, they made what they thought was the most strategic sense.

And given that the Beekmans were still way behind the three lead teams getting to the pit stop, there's a good chance that the flights out of Amsterdam will still separate them from the three lead teams.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: ovalorange on November 26, 2012, 01:22:47 AM
Wow, was that switchback underwhelming or what?  :(
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: starrynight on November 26, 2012, 03:11:42 AM
Pretty disappointing.  It's meant to be a race and yet a weak team survives because the the twins and Trey/Lexi basically put pressure on the Chippendales to u-turn Abbie/Ryan.  Abbie and Ryan left the detour first and get no reward whatsoever for it.  Them not being allowed on the earlier plane was rather convenient for the producers as well, though the colluding over the u-turn obviously meant there was no tension towards the end anyway.  The whole point of a double u-turn is to have two teams competing against each other, not for a team to make it a boring single u-turn with the predictable outcome.  The painting detour looked a lot more interesting though we didn't see much of it.  Locations were pretty good though.  The 2 million twist I always thought was boring anyway, so I never cared about that.  The twins were annoying again at times, and Lexi reverted to her loud yays at the detour.  Quite a disappointing final group of teams. 
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: supah on November 26, 2012, 03:34:39 AM
Pretty disappointing.  It's meant to be a race and yet a weak team survives because the the twins and Trey/Lexi basically put pressure on the Chippendales to u-turn Abbie/Ryan.  Abbie and Ryan left the detour first and get no reward whatsoever for it.  Them not being allowed on the earlier plane was rather convenient for the producers as well, though the colluding over the u-turn obviously meant there was no tension towards the end anyway.  The whole point of a double u-turn is to have two teams competing against each other, not for a team to make it a boring single u-turn with the predictable outcome.  The painting detour looked a lot more interesting though we didn't see much of it.  Locations were pretty good though.  The 2 million twist I always thought was boring anyway, so I never cared about that.  The twins were annoying again at times, and Lexi reverted to her loud yays at the detour.  Quite a disappointing final group of teams.

As strange as it seems, I'm agreeing with you starrynight. I have to praise the Chippendales, Twinnies and Trexie for devising one of the best strategic moves in race history, even though I don't exactly like it  :lol:  I feel nothing but sorry for Abbie & Ryan, who I really liked throughout the whole race, especially Abbie. The editors made the come off as serious game players but they had a healthy competitive nature and seemed like they enjoyed the race along the way, even Ryan who editors didn't seem to like. I am hoping that the Divorcees will make an appearance on an All Stars season someday soon, they are one of very few dating teams I really really liked and I enjoyed the nature of their competitiveness.

I love Natalie & Nadiya, but I want to see either Trexie or the Chippendales win the race, but I would be over the moon if the Chips did! Their use of the U-Turn was completely part of the game so it's acceptable. Their courage and determination is great to watch and I hope they will survive the last few legs and cross the Finish Line first!

The flight drama in this leg was mind-boggling, and as much as I loved it, for ONCE I wished there was an equaliser so the race in Amsterdam was tighter. The Roadblock was SO underwhelming like oval said, I felt like I should've been laughing my ass off when Ryan fell in the ditch but I couldn't feel anything but sorry for him and Abbie. Such a disappointing way to leave the game.  I swear I could've started tearing when Abbie & Ryan finished the second Detour...

Everyone should remember though - don't hate the players, hate the game.
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Post by: zacz on November 26, 2012, 03:59:22 AM
I agree with those who have said that was a really clever and unique way to use a double U-Turn to get rid of a strong team. I doubt there will be anymore double-Uturns in the coming season now that this strategy has emerged. They will have to come up with something else.
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Post by: AmazingRace on November 26, 2012, 04:41:37 AM
I agree with those who have said that was a really clever and unique way to use a double U-Turn to get rid of a strong team. I doubt there will be anymore double-Uturns in the coming season now that this strategy has emerged. They will have to come up with something else.

Yeah, it was almost as good as paying to yield a team!  :lol:
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: starrynight on November 26, 2012, 05:10:31 AM
Single u-turns suck, the outcome is always predictable.  And the Chippendales looked very weak to me, they just looked like they caved in to the pressure of the others.  There's been too much collusion between teams in this season as well, it's supposed to be a race between teams.  I've no doubt if it was against a more popular team people here would be liking this far far less.
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Post by: BuuYaa on November 26, 2012, 05:17:29 AM
Wow the "U-Turn" in this leg is probably gonna be remembered for long...

Tweenies,Trexie,and Chips, as much as people hate or love'em, they pulled one hell of a move.

Tweenies came up with a master plan, Chips somehow became the executors  :o, and Trexie are like  :conf:"okay great time to wrap "things" up"

I am not a big fan of Abby and Ryan (go Chips  :hearts:), but that doesn't mean I liked seeing them going out like that.

In season 14 I rooted for Kris and Amanda like all the freaking time, over the moon! When they got U-Turned, I am so pissed off I almost stopped watching and started to call Luke the G*Y R*TA*D (well he certainly was back there). But that was just good TV Show and they happened to become the victims. So what can you do.
When They came back in Unfinished Business along with Gary&Mallory   :hearts: I was super excited. But it wasn't for long when they got U-Turned AGAIN  :tantrum, and eliminated. It was such a unpleasant thing to watch, when they fell into the same hole they did before.

So I must say, the Chips using the U-Turn made a good TV show, but I don't think it's that necessary for them. Trexie are like 1-2 hours behind'em, Abbie-Ryan and Josh-Brent are like what? 5-6 hours behind?

The chips could even just take a 4 Hour Penalty on that switchback Roadblock and still finished in front of Abby-Ryan and Josh-Brent. that would be stupid though  :lol3:. But that's like the way I am saying how much ahead of them actually.

Rumor has it that the final three teams are
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Just like Margie and Luke not U-Turning Tammy and Victor when they actually had the chance, I don't know why they were such idiots U-Turning a team that was far behind while Tammy&Victor were right on their tails, and the fact that two legs of that Season happened to be in China, LOL. Well They deserved that 3rd place second loser and 8th place in unfinished business. That was bad karma for making Kris&Amanda 8th. (This is just me hating you can ignore it  )-**)





Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: starrynight on November 26, 2012, 05:31:35 AM
But how did it make good TV?  There was no suspense at the end at all.
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Post by: BuuYaa on November 26, 2012, 06:34:30 AM
It did make a good TV. The existence of U-Turn is actually one of the things that makes TAR an interesting game. Everyone's waiting for it. Don't get me wrong but I bet a bunch of you viewers get excited when a leg features a U-Turn.

Instead of just racing with a bunch of Roadblocks and Detours like it used to be, It gets old. Then they put a yield on the field, but people getting tired of it. Then they replaced it with  a U-Turn, which exists up until this season, with some modifications like blind U-Turn or Double U-Turn, Blind Double U-Turn.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: starrynight on November 26, 2012, 06:42:11 AM
A single u-turn in the US show always means that team gets eliminated doesn't it?  So no I don't look forward to them, I like a more even competition.  And to put in a double u-turn just to turn it into a single one is even more useless.
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Post by: FishyFred on November 26, 2012, 07:13:32 AM
I am hopeful for a rule change that prevents later teams from U-turning teams they already know are past it.  The double was added when the single one just meant an automatic elimination for whoever got it.  They removed all drama from the episode as soon as the Chips did it.

To be honest, this episode made me want to be done with this show.  One of the things I always liked about TAR was that everybody played their own game.  It didn't have that ridiculous strategizing that other shows had to sabotage competitors.  Now each season they are adding more and more of that kind of thing.  I'd much rather see each team run their own race and let the good (and lucky) teams win. 

To me, it seemed production was rooting against A&R.  From Phil's angry-sounding statement to the Beekmans "Would you rather I eliminate you" (sounded like he was personally mad that someone could like A&R) to playing the happy-sounding organ-grinder music immediately after their tearful fair well.  Sounded like they were celebrating not having to hand over a $2M check.  I even wonder if the U-turn strategy didn't come from production. 

But anyway, as far as editing goes, my bet goes to Chippendales winning it all.  They pumped up the family drama element, passed on a chance to edit them as villains for using the U-turn and instead cast them as sympathetic reluctant "game" players.  Everybody else save the Beekmans were made out as villains. 

Also, more possible production interference: Don't travelling teams normally take up 4 seats on a plane?  2 for the races, and one each for the cameraman and sound guy (with the racers asking to book 2 just for the cameras)?  So how was 1 team allowed on flight with just 3 seats?
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Post by: Topita on November 26, 2012, 07:15:09 AM
Also, I really like the character development on this Season. At first it felt like Abbie & Ryan were the antagonists for stealing Amy & Daniel's shot at the 2Mill, and that Trexie and the Twinnies would be the good guys. Suddenly, the Twinnies are the hardcore amoral team that will do anything to win; Trexie were the formerly lawful good turned lawful evil, even being glad for getting rid of Abbie & Ryan; James & Jaymes were first the "alpha male" team, turned into the super friendly team, turned into the selfish team; finally, Abbie & Ryan turned from alpha couple to the team with extremely bad luck.

Very dynamic characterization indeed.
Interesting observation.  :tup: True, it's not been stale and teams have done some surprising things.
Some of which I still think shouldn't be seen on the race.. (i.e. taking another team's money..) But the double u-turn was bound to be a game-changer whichever way it went. To me it's clear the plan came from the twins, and group pressure clearly got to the chippies. I don't blame them for doing it, the end result was to get a stronger team out which is justifiable I think.

I did really enjoy the episode but even the weather seemed to comply with the 'calm before the storm' theme/forebode that was over Abby and Ryan's head.. I just felt very sorry for them as the episode progressed. Obviously nobody could have forseen their airport problems and I wonder how Jaymes felt when he saw this on tv. Can't have been a good feeling I think.
But in the end this is a race, and as long as they did it for the right reasons (i.e not out of spite or personal vendetta) to me, it's just part of the game. Abby and Ryan just got very unlucky and the twins hatched a smart plan and were left out of the picture although they were the ones who put all the pawns in place.. I do agree that the Chippies let themselves be manipulated but they knew why they were doing it in the end.

As for it being boring - I think the fact that the Beekmans just more or less seem to have forgotten this IS a race and were just doing it together with Abby and Ryan (and vice versa) was more boring in that sense.  :duno: It was nice I'm sure and very friendly but not exactly in the spirit of the race. Sure last time around they had the 4 hour penalty anyway so Abby and Ryan were safe regardless, but this time they should have shown a bit more spunk to stay in the race I think, even if they have become friends. For that reason I'm sorry they weren't the ones who got eliminated.. Basically they're just still in it because two other teams who seemed more competent racers (the rockers and Abby & Ryan) got eliminated because of bad luck and/or strategy of the other teams. They obviously don't feel like they should be in the race anymore either, judging by how they've been talking about it. :( I like them, don't get me wrong, I just think other teams deserved to be here more than they do at this point.

Maybe there'll be an Allstar second chance for Abby and Ryan yet. :)
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Post by: BuuYaa on November 26, 2012, 07:15:44 AM
yeah actually I get your point.
Not a lot of teams actually could recover once they got U-Turned. The first team to actually survived after being U-Turned is Brook&Claire from season 17, but the U-Turn appeared at that time was a double U-Turn,both are used and both teams actually had to perform both detours instead of just one, so one of those two teams get U-Turned would absolutely survive no matter what, and It happened to be Brook and Claire.

So I think the main reason the U-Turn appearing now doubled because it raised more outcomes,

If it's just single U-Turn, the outcome is always obvious, the team got U-turned will probably be eliminated. so like you said, having two teams performing both detours and just battle it out, possibly trying to avoid last place is one of the outcome that People would love to watch.

On the other hands, if a team feels like they're in front of the pack, and find a single U-Turn, that team would probably avoid using it. But if it's double, that team may have second thought, and decide to U-Turn one team that is right on their tail, basically aiming for first place. The team that gets U-Turned then actually don't have to worry about being eliminated, because there is still one spot for U-Turning another team.
But then that team has to guess correctly what team they need to U-Turn. What if the team they choose is ahead and they got stuck doing both detours alone. More outcomes.

this is what makes The Sri Lanka girl's plan to seal Abby&Ryan's fate so risky. Abby and Ryan were actually scheduled to arrive in Amsterdam ahead of Trey&Lexi. Had things gone right for Abby&Ryan, they would arrive at the U-Turn 3rd and mostly U-Turning The Sri Lanka girls (which would cost no effect), or probably Trey&Lexi if they somehow managed to think that way. If Trey and Lexi got to the U-Turn before Abby&Ryan and decided to leave alone the 2nd u-turn, Abby& Ryan could just U-Turn Josh-Brent since they already know those two were so far behind.
So the fact that Tweenies,Trexies,and Chips maanaged to pull that off perfectly is what makes this worth-watching.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Topita on November 26, 2012, 07:35:58 AM
To me, it seemed production was rooting against A&R.  From Phil's angry-sounding statement to the Beekmans "Would you rather I eliminate you" (sounded like he was personally mad that someone could like A&R) to playing the happy-sounding organ-grinder music immediately after their tearful fair well.  Sounded like they were celebrating not having to hand over a $2M check.  I even wonder if the U-turn strategy didn't come from production. 

It's possible production preferred to see A&R go ito the $2M but I doubt they would go so far as to sabotage game elements or put teams up to this. There have been rumours about the twins and Texans taking the rocker's money being incited to do so from production though, and if that is the case, this is more than a little disappointing. :(

As for Phil's words to the Beekmans, personally I always felt that he has a soft spot for people who are passionate about the race and eager to win. Not eager at all costs but definitely eager. Makes for better tv too obviously.  :lol:
So maybe this stemmed more from them all clinging together for two legs now and basically not seeming too eager or happy to still be in it. I think that's why he said it, not so much to do with A&R or whether they liked them or not. :)
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Post by: FishyFred on November 26, 2012, 07:52:53 AM
Thinking some more, I bet we would have seen this strategy last season.  I long wondered why the team boarder patrol was so pissed at D&R for not using the U-turn when they were able to do it when they got there.  I bet production edited out that part to keep it a surprise for later seasons. 

Maybe the U-turn would work better if their was some kind of penalty for using it, like if the team you targeted survived, you got a 30-min penalty on the next leg.  Then people would not be so quick to use it on teams that already went by (or use it at all). 

Personally, I'd rather see the U-turn gone and the intersection return.  I don't care what some say, detours and roadblocks are all I need. 

To me, it seemed production was rooting against A&R.  From Phil's angry-sounding statement to the Beekmans "Would you rather I eliminate you" (sounded like he was personally mad that someone could like A&R) to playing the happy-sounding organ-grinder music immediately after their tearful fair well.  Sounded like they were celebrating not having to hand over a $2M check.  I even wonder if the U-turn strategy didn't come from production. 

It's possible production preferred to see A&R go ito the $2M but I doubt they would go so far as to sabotage game elements or put teams up to this. There have been rumours about the twins and Texans taking the rocker's money being incited to do so from production though, and if that is the case, this is more than a little disappointing. :(

As for Phil's words to the Beekmans, personally I always felt that he has a soft spot for people who are passionate about the race and eager to win. Not eager at all costs but definitely eager. Makes for better tv too obviously.  :lol:
So maybe this stemmed more from them all clinging together for two legs now and basically not seeming too eager or happy to still be in it. I think that's why he said it, not so much to do with A&R or whether they liked them or not. :)

Oh, I'm sure production could walk a fine line.  They wouldn't tell them what to do, but perhaps "clarify" the rules for them. Like telling them they can't interfere with someones belongings, but could claim something they lost.  Or that there is noting illegal about U-turning a team you know is already past.  Not telling them what to do, but giving them possible ideas. 

If Phil was just trying to get them competitive, he could have done it better.  Something like "But be happy, you are in the top 4!"  If he was really interested in competitive teams, he would have been sadder A&R were gone.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: starrynight on November 26, 2012, 08:04:36 AM
this is what makes The Sri Lanka girl's plan to seal Abby&Ryan's fate so risky.

Why risky? They were in no danger of getting eliminated at all.

As for Phil's words to the Beekmans, personally I always felt that he has a soft spot for people who are passionate about the race and eager to win. Not eager at all costs but definitely eager. Makes for better tv too obviously.  :lol:
So maybe this stemmed more from them all clinging together for two legs now and basically not seeming too eager or happy to still be in it. I think that's why he said it, not so much to do with A&R or whether they liked them or not. :)

But the farmers aren't that passionate about it, Abbie and Ryan were far more into the race as well as just being better at it.  And Phil trying to make out that the Chippendales were playing the game when actually they just felt coerced into doing it was disingenuous as well.

Interesting observation.  :tup: True, it's not been stale and teams have done some surprising things.
Some of which I still think shouldn't be seen on the race.. (i.e. taking another team's money..)
I do agree that the Chippies let themselves be manipulated but they knew why they were doing it in the end.

As for it being boring - I think the fact that the Beekmans just more or less seem to have forgotten this IS a race and were just doing it together with Abby and Ryan (and vice versa) was more boring in that sense.  :duno: It was nice I'm sure and very friendly but not exactly in the spirit of the race.

Quite a few teams have been bland this season for me.  The Chippendales seem a bit weakminded, the farmers just there and Trey is just there as well.  I can't really tell the twins apart, they even speak together often.

Too many eliminations this season have been through 3rd party transportation or now collusion between other teams.  I'd prefer if it was more about tasks or self-navigation.

As for collusion don't think it has just been between the farmers and Abbie/Ryan (weird though that was, and Abbie/Ryan didn't initiate that).  Don't forget the Chippendales trying to hail a taxi for another team (Trey and Lexi I think) at the end of another leg.  Riding on another teams coat-tails is pretty annoying but this race has been full of it, but it should be a race between them.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: FishyFred on November 26, 2012, 08:16:41 AM
this is what makes The Sri Lanka girl's plan to seal Abby&Ryan's fate so risky. Abby and Ryan were actually scheduled to arrive in Amsterdam ahead of Trey&Lexi. Had things gone right for Abby&Ryan, they would arrive at the U-Turn 3rd and mostly U-Turning The Sri Lanka girls (which would cost no effect), or probably Trey&Lexi if they somehow managed to think that way. If Trey and Lexi got to the U-Turn before Abby&Ryan and decided to leave alone the 2nd u-turn, Abby& Ryan could just U-Turn Josh-Brent since they already know those two were so far behind.
So the fact that Tweenies,Trexies,and Chips maanaged to pull that off perfectly is what makes this worth-watching.

You forget A&R booked their flights online.  It seems likely to me the other teams had no idea where they were flightwise.  Heck, had Trey/Lexi known about the faster Frankfurt flight, I would think they would have gone for it.  Knowing earlier flights were booked and not having them on their own flight, they probably felt very comfortable A&R were far behind.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Topita on November 26, 2012, 08:31:14 AM
But the farmers aren't that passionate about it, Abbie and Ryan were far more into the race as well as just being better at it.  And Phil trying to make out that the Chippendales were playing the game when actually they just felt coerced into doing it was disingenuous as well.
That's what I meant, the Beekmans didn't show that enthousiasm, which is why I think Phil said this.
But I agree that the 'you're finally playing the game' comment was a bit odd considering how it all went down.
Maybe they wanted Jaymes to stop being mr Nice and be more ruthless, idk.  :duno:

As for collusion don't think it has just been between the farmers and Abbie/Ryan (weird though that was, and Abbie/Ryan didn't initiate that).  Don't forget the Chippendales trying to hail a taxi for another team (Trey and Lexi I think) at the end of another leg.  Riding on another teams coat-tails is pretty annoying but this race has been full of it, but it should be a race between them.
Oh I wasn't claiming the others weren't guilty of that..  :lol:
I totally agree there's been a bit too much of the buddy-buddy thing going on. It's getting to the end now so they're going to have to change that anyway. But I do agree with you that it's more fun to see teams running more or less individually, or with just brief effective alliances rather than always helping each other out and collude like they have been for a good part of the race now.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: BuuYaa on November 26, 2012, 08:34:43 AM
not risky about themselves (Tweennies) DUH!
but that Abby&Ryan might overcome the  U-Turn and survive.

don't you actually see that Josh and Brent were actually more than 12 hours, 12 FREAKING HOURS..behind the Chipendales and Trexie, 10 hours behind Tweenies, and almost 4 hours behind Abby&Ryan. None of them were even on the same flight for god's sake.

Abby&Ryan were scheduled to arrive at 12.25 pm in Amsterdam had the things gone right, while Trexie on 1.05 pm. Assuming they performed fastly in detour and got to the U-Turn before Trexie, the second slot of the U-Turn would still be empty. Abby&Ryan would probably use it on Tweenies thinking they're still behind, or maybe if they happened to catch Trexie along the way, use it on them.
But all of this would probably cause no effect to their position, since Josh&Brent flight due to arrive at 4 something pm, and they would probably end up getting eliminated since they were so far behind.

Then Abby&Ryan would still be in the race, which was not good news for Tweenies and Trexie, and now Chips since they basically got all the blood on their hands.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: BuuYaa on November 26, 2012, 08:51:51 AM
at the end of the day, I don't think The Chippendales U-Turning Abby&Ryan is a mistake at all. Sure they were like  hours behind, but that didn't mean they can't catch up.
Before flying to Amsterdam, the Chippendales had a [b]freaking 10 hours lead[/b] ahead of Abby&Ryan. After they arrived at Amsterdam, it became a 3 or 4 hours lead which was a great loss for the Chippendales and a great catching up for Abby&Ryan in the future legs,especially if it later involves another plane travel.
Before they started to lose more their lead again, might as well use it to their advantage and boot out a very strong team. I mean if you're racing for a million dollars, which of these two would you rather race with? Abby&Ryan or Josh&Brent? if it was me, In a million years, there's no way I would say Abby&Ryan
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: DrRox on November 26, 2012, 08:57:30 AM
Team collusion goes all the way back to TAR1. It has always been a part of the race. In TAR5, they introduced the Yield and that was the first time that a team(s) could actively hinder/delay another team. In that race, Chip/Kym, Bowling Moms and Brandon/Nicole colluded to yield Colin/Christie. Like it or love it, it is part of the race.   
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: apskip on November 26, 2012, 09:53:05 AM
I agree with those who have said that was a really clever and unique way to use a double U-Turn to get rid of a strong team. I doubt there will be anymore double-Uturns in the coming season now that this strategy has emerged. They will have to come up with something else.

zacz,

You are absolutely right. It's called a single U-Turn and it's been in existence since approximately AR5!
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: starrynight on November 26, 2012, 10:03:51 AM
I understand the strategy, but collusion can mean (like here) a weaker team (Chippendales) being used for other teams.  And apparently Trey and Lexy had some kind of problem with Abbie and Ryan so it was more a personal thing, probably the same with the twins. Chippendales actually worked together with Abbie and Ryan before, so for them it was like they were pressured in a group situation (with the other teams) to do it.

Ultimately though even if you consider it a good move for some of the teams is it actually a good move for the audience?  Surely you want the stronger teams in to the end so you can have a more exciting race?  I would want that, it's frustrating to see weaker teams (particularly if not that entertaining) keep in at the expense of more interesting and arguably better ones.  And the production will manipulate things as they want anyway I'm sure.   
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: apskip on November 26, 2012, 10:04:01 AM

Basically they're just still in it because two other teams who seemed more competent racers (the rockers and Abby & Ryan) got eliminated because of bad luck and/or strategy of the other teams. They obviously don't feel like they should be in the race anymore either, judging by how they've been talking about it. :( I like them, don't get me wrong, I just think other teams deserved to be here more than they do at this point.


The primary reason Ryan and Abbie were eliminated was their trouble in reaching Frankfurt after the 1245pm-arriving-in- Amsterdam flight. If they had gotten it they would have been immune to any U-Turn because they would have a 3 hour 50 minute lead on Josh and Brent. It was only the mess changing planes in Frankfurt which go them eliminated, as the time to do the Organ Grind DETOUR had to be far less than the lead they would have had.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: bcp19 on November 26, 2012, 10:32:31 AM
I'm a little confused by the flights out of Moscow, do airlines run different schedules in the summer?  In looking at the site I use in the fantasy games, I found 2 direct flights that leaves at 2155 and gets in at 2240 (KLM and Aeroflot) in Amsterdam at Sheremetyevo.  The first 2 teams should have had plenty of time to make these flighst.  All of these flights would have arrived ahead of the ones they were on as well:

Domodedovo
2310 - 0830 Ukraine Intl Airlines
2310 - 1135 Ukraine Intl Airlines

Sheremetyevo
2155 - 2240 KLM
2155 - 2240 Aeroflot
0645 - 0720 KLM
0645 - 0720 Aeroflot
2345 - 0840 Czech Airlines
2225 - 0855 Air France
2205 - 0950 LOT Polish Airlines
2240 - 1030 El Al Isreal Airlines
2140 - 1055 Air Baltic
2140 - 1105 Alitalia

Vnukovo
2225 - 1040 Turkish Airlines

In addition, the pitstop times seem off.  Using what we know: ~Jun 11.  Chips/Tery & Lexi got to the Classroom before 0800 (HoO).  They then took the test ~12 times (you see them failing #11) If we use 2-5 mins a round that's 24-60 minutes.  20 minutes by taxi to the Movers detour.  Since N&N were arriving as T&L were leaving, and were ~1.5 hours behind, we can ballpark .5-1.0 hours for Movers (Chips & T/L are in much better shape).  20 minutes by taxi to the park, 5-10 mins or so looking for the PS and we have a range from 0920 to 1100 for them to get to the PS yet they leave at 7:32PM... 9-10 hours PS? From the shadows as the twins ran to the pitstop, I was figuring 1030-1130, so 1115 + 10 = 2155 and it works, But from the shadows Abbey and Ryan would have been around 1730 ., so with their 0528 departure, this puts them at 1930 if we use the 10 hours above..  You can still see sunlight hitting the tops of the trees when Josh and Brent arrive, so they got there before 2112 (sunset) and we know them to be almost 3 hours behind (0811 departure).  This causes another snag though... 10 hours would be 2211, almost an hour after sunset.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: DrRox on November 26, 2012, 11:02:57 AM
bcp_19.........

June 7th..... leave Istanbul
June 8th......arrive Moscow.....finish Leg 7
June 9th......Leg 8
June 10th......long pit stop and teams released starting in evening
June 11th...... all teams fly out of Moscow in the morning to Amsterdam

They all flew out of SVO.......as they always have when leaving Moscow (except TAR13). I personally think they are told to fly out of SVO. I posted the flights in the TAR 21 Transportation thread.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27208.175.html
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: bcp19 on November 26, 2012, 11:45:42 AM
bcp_19.........

June 7th..... leave Istanbul
June 8th......arrive Moscow.....finish Leg 7
June 9th......Leg 8
June 10th......long pit stop and teams released starting in evening
June 11th...... all teams fly out of Moscow in the morning to Amsterdam

They all flew out of SVO.......as they always have when leaving Moscow (except TAR13). I personally think they are told to fly out of SVO. I posted the flights in the TAR 21 Transportation thread.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27208.175.html
That is the flights they took, but there appeared to be several earlier flights they could have been on.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: DrRox on November 26, 2012, 12:19:19 PM
Seat availability???........plus we really don't know that the extended instructions said. Production could have told them no to fly out till the 11th.......I do agree with you........lots of strangeness going on there.

Also, Russia is a hard place to get out of. They probably were released by Production from the Pit Stop at a time that Production knew they would have to fly out the next morning.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: apskip on November 26, 2012, 01:03:10 PM
bcp_19.........

June 7th..... leave Istanbul
June 8th......arrive Moscow.....finish Leg 7
June 9th......Leg 8
June 10th......long pit stop and teams released starting in evening
June 11th...... all teams fly out of Moscow in the morning to Amsterdam

They all flew out of SVO.......as they always have when leaving Moscow (except TAR13). I personally think they are told to fly out of SVO. I posted the flights in the TAR 21 Transportation thread.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27208.175.html
That is the flights they took, but there appeared to be several earlier flights they could have been on.

Not exactly! For the date of Monday June 11, Dr. Rox's flight calculations (for which I have checked each and every one) are generally accurate except for a few minor discrepancies. Abbie and Ryan could theoretically have gotten on the Aeroflot nonstop to Amsterdam but they are bright enough that they should not have missed that. Josh and Brent could have gone through Frankfurt, but neither team could have gone through Rome or Larnaca; by the time they were at the airport to book tickets those flights were already departed.

The one set of flights (and I checked a wide range of connecting points to see if any could give better results) that could have been a lifeline on Monday June 11 to any of the last 3 teams was through Riga:
AirBaltic 425 SVO RIX 0922 1007
AirBaltic 617 RIX AMS 1144 1300

bcp19, appearances can be deceiving unless you dig into the details. So, if you have better flight information I certainly want to see it either on this thread or the Transportation thread where it really belongs. Cite specific flight numbers for June 11, when it departed and when it arrived.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: DrRox on November 26, 2012, 01:31:32 PM


Abbie and Ryan could theoretically have gotten on the Aeroflot nonstop to Amsterdam but they are bright enough that they should not have missed that.



That is very, very true apskip. Theoretically, Trey/Lexie and N/N could have also made that flight, since they arrived at the airport long before Abbie/Ryan even left the Pit Stop. If you had, theoretically, paid attention to the episode last night, you would have known that, theoretically, there were only enough seats on that flight for ONE team and that one team was the Chippies. Theoretically, that is why all the other teams were booking connecting flights through intermediate airports. Theoretically speaking, of course. 
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: apskip on November 26, 2012, 04:34:35 PM
Dr. Rox,

Perhaps you have just proved, theoretically, why I should not attempt to be supportive of someone (YOU) who has no interest in that.

Also, Nadine and Nadiya had an earlier arrival, so why would they have been interested in the nonstop arriving about 2 hours later?
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 26, 2012, 06:27:05 PM
It seemed like this episode was refurbished with old tasks instead of creating new ones. :duno:

Fast Forward: Ride bus & eat herring before time runs out - DETOUR: Quick And Easy Meal / ride ferris wheel and eat Cornish hen before time runs out (from Unfinished Business, Austria)
Route info task: Cake with clue - French bread with clue (season 16, 1st France leg)
Detour A: Replicate art with humans - DETOUR: Honor The Past / replicate play people with replicant models (from Unfinished Business, 2nd China leg)
Detour B: Operate music organ to earn money - most recently DETOUR: Shake Your Money Maker / dance in Indonesian costumes and earn money (season 19, 1st Indonesia leg)
Roadblock: Switchback is self-explanatory... :)
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: theschnauzers on November 26, 2012, 07:15:48 PM
I don't know that it is criminal to recycle elements of tasks used in the past and adapting them to elements that are culturally appropriate to the location.

The problem in the past with some recycling was that the designer did not bother to make the tasks culturally or ethnically relevant. There's only some many types/categories of tasks that can be devised, so the repetition of an adapted task is not an issue, per se, as much as the need to reflect the culture teams are seeing in the different locations.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: serendipity on November 26, 2012, 08:52:14 PM
I'm a little confused by the flights out of Moscow, do airlines run different schedules in the summer?  In looking at the site I use in the fantasy games, I found 2 direct flights that leaves at 2155 and gets in at 2240 (KLM and Aeroflot) in Amsterdam at Sheremetyevo.  The first 2 teams should have had plenty of time to make these flighst.  All of these flights would have arrived ahead of the ones they were on as well:

Domodedovo
2310 - 0830 Ukraine Intl Airlines
2310 - 1135 Ukraine Intl Airlines

Sheremetyevo
2155 - 2240 KLM
2155 - 2240 Aeroflot
0645 - 0720 KLM
0645 - 0720 Aeroflot
2345 - 0840 Czech Airlines
2225 - 0855 Air France
2205 - 0950 LOT Polish Airlines
2240 - 1030 El Al Isreal Airlines
2140 - 1055 Air Baltic
2140 - 1105 Alitalia

Vnukovo
2225 - 1040 Turkish Airlines

In addition, the pitstop times seem off.  Using what we know: ~Jun 11.  Chips/Tery & Lexi got to the Classroom before 0800 (HoO).  They then took the test ~12 times (you see them failing #11) If we use 2-5 mins a round that's 24-60 minutes.  20 minutes by taxi to the Movers detour.  Since N&N were arriving as T&L were leaving, and were ~1.5 hours behind, we can ballpark .5-1.0 hours for Movers (Chips & T/L are in much better shape).  20 minutes by taxi to the park, 5-10 mins or so looking for the PS and we have a range from 0920 to 1100 for them to get to the PS yet they leave at 7:32PM... 9-10 hours PS? From the shadows as the twins ran to the pitstop, I was figuring 1030-1130, so 1115 + 10 = 2155 and it works, But from the shadows Abbey and Ryan would have been around 1730 ., so with their 0528 departure, this puts them at 1930 if we use the 10 hours above..  You can still see sunlight hitting the tops of the trees when Josh and Brent arrive, so they got there before 2112 (sunset) and we know them to be almost 3 hours behind (0811 departure).  This causes another snag though... 10 hours would be 2211, almost an hour after sunset.

Thoughts?

Agree with you, I also not feel quite right about the departure time, Josh/Brent were behind the Chippendales 13 hours? Considering the Chips had to wait outside the agricultural college till 8am to start the leg, they would not have arrived the pit stop by 10am the earliest.  If that's the case it would make Josh/Brent arriving at 11pm that leg.  Even though it's summer and Moscow is so north, it still would not look that bright at 11pm... Maybe some time penalty/adjustment happened...

Also, I feel that the Chippendales are so stupid using the U-turn on Abbie/Ryan, considering that they were an alliance before and didn't want to upset them, they should have u-turn the Twins as they already knew the twins got the FF!! Which is the perfect decision as it would leave Texas to u-turn Abbie/Ryan then and the Chips didn't need to feel bad about it! Why wouldn't they think about that??
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Chateau d If on November 26, 2012, 09:00:43 PM
 :tup:

Great idea!
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: starrynight on November 27, 2012, 04:32:59 AM
It seemed like this episode was refurbished with old tasks instead of creating new ones. :duno:

Fast Forward: Ride bus & eat herring before time runs out - DETOUR: Quick And Easy Meal / ride ferris wheel and eat Cornish hen before time runs out (from Unfinished Business, Austria)
Route info task: Cake with clue - French bread with clue (season 16, 1st France leg)
Detour A: Replicate art with humans - DETOUR: Honor The Past / replicate play people with replicant models (from Unfinished Business, 2nd China leg)
Detour B: Operate music organ to earn money - most recently DETOUR: Shake Your Money Maker / dance in Indonesian costumes and earn money (season 19, 1st Indonesia leg)
Roadblock: Switchback is self-explanatory... :)

FFs are so much more interesting when two teams are competing against each other like last season.  When only one team can do it at a time it's merely about who is the first there and because of that most teams won't even consider going to it.

And there has already been an eating and earning money task this season, we really need more variety and creativity.  I also think those kinds of tasks have to be genuinely difficult to be good and worthwhile.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: maf on November 27, 2012, 05:27:26 AM
FFs are so much more interesting when two teams are competing against each other like last season.  When only one team can do it at a time it's merely about who is the first there and because of that most teams won't even consider going to it.

I agree, and in this episode the FF clue actually explicitly said that any team who makes the bus can compete. So I guess that if multiple teams had made it to the bus then the first team to eat their herrings would have got it.

I also remember that the helicopter landing FF in TAR20 was set up for three teams to compete at once, as was the haybale stacking. So I think the producers also would like for more than one team to go for it.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: starrynight on November 27, 2012, 06:01:48 AM
The FFs last season were actually quite good , I hope we get something better than the fish eating this season.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Theo on November 27, 2012, 07:26:10 AM
I actually can't imagine if Trey & Lexi are really going to France, though that seems impossible.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: DrRox on November 27, 2012, 07:41:31 AM
The FF was set up for multiple teams. That is why they only had 7 minutes to eat the herring. If the Chippies had got their sooner, they could have tried after either the first miss or second miss by the Twins. They landed 45 minutes behind the Twins and that is how long it took the twins to finish the FF. They got it on the 3rd try. So if you figure a minimum of 17 minutes a cycle....7 for the bus and10 for the wait period.....the Chippies just got their too late. The Twins finished in about 41 minutes.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Alenaveda on November 27, 2012, 07:44:52 AM
I actually can't imagine if Trey & Lexi are really going to France, though that seems impossible.

Check this:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27206.msg778987.html#msg778987
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Flamant on November 27, 2012, 09:01:15 AM
Why didn't they showed the tweenies failing and restarting the FF? It could have been quite intense with the production making it look like the Chips arriving just as the boat leave for the third time.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: DrRox on November 27, 2012, 09:03:15 AM
Dr. Rox,

Also, Nadine and Nadiya had an earlier arrival, so why would they have been interested in the nonstop arriving about 2 hours later?

Where did you pull out that 2 hours? I do have an idea though, but civility keeps me from mentioning it.

Sometimes going to connecting airports works, non-stops just cut down on potential problems.  This time it did work for NandN, but it didn't for Abbie/Ryan. Other examples from TAR history off the top of my head........Brad/Victoria in TAR14, the 5 teams stuck in Hong Kong in TAR18, Uchenna/Joyce in TAR11.......and just last episode for Goat Farmers and Abbie/Ryan. Since the non-stop was sold out in this instance, teams had to use connecting airports.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Jobby on November 27, 2012, 09:12:40 AM
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Also, I feel that the Chippendales are so stupid using the U-turn on Abbie/Ryan, considering that they were an alliance before and didn't want to upset them, they should have u-turn the Twins as they already knew the twins got the FF!! Which is the perfect decision as it would leave Texas to u-turn Abbie/Ryan then and the Chips didn't need to feel bad about it! Why wouldn't they think about that??

They probably aren't smart enough. -_- Sadly.
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: Georgianna on November 27, 2012, 11:57:20 AM
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Also, I feel that the Chippendales are so stupid using the U-turn on Abbie/Ryan, considering that they were an alliance before and didn't want to upset them, they should have u-turn the Twins as they already knew the twins got the FF!! Which is the perfect decision as it would leave Texas to u-turn Abbie/Ryan then and the Chips didn't need to feel bad about it! Why wouldn't they think about that??

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They probably aren't smart enough. -_- Sadly.

It seems to me that J & J could either ...

A:  Keep their word and in doing so anger the team - Abbie and Ryan - who would in all probability be leaving the Race at the conclusion of the leg (and who would therefore be unable to be of any further aid or comfort to them during its concluding tasks, trials and tribulations).

Or ...

B.  Break their word and in doing so anger a team - Trey and Lexie - who would in all probablility be continuing in the Race at the conclusion of the leg (and who had been staunch allies and pleasant companions throughout it).

So, I think that I would have made the same choice that they did.  But, then, I haven't run too many Amazing Races ... :)

Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: starrynight on November 27, 2012, 02:41:33 PM
In the past from my memory most teams don't tend to use u-turns unless absolutely necessary as they know it could bite them in the future (particularly if the team survives).  Those who use it away from necessity tend to bevery strategic (and also unpopular teams) such as Luke and his mother or Art and  JJ (another team that tried to pressurise others into doing what they wanted, but they failed as there were more strongwilled teams).
Title: Re: Ep 9 East Coast SHOW updates and commentary *start: 800PM or later* note rules
Post by: apskip on November 27, 2012, 04:51:04 PM
I'm a little confused by the flights out of Moscow, do airlines run different schedules in the summer?  In looking at the site I use in the fantasy games, I found 2 direct flights that leaves at 2155 and gets in at 2240 (KLM and Aeroflot) in Amsterdam at Sheremetyevo.  The first 2 teams should have had plenty of time to make these flighst.  All of these flights would have arrived ahead of the ones they were on as well:

Domodedovo
2310 - 0830 Ukraine Intl Airlines
2310 - 1135 Ukraine Intl Airlines

Sheremetyevo
2155 - 2240 KLM
2155 - 2240 Aeroflot
0645 - 0720 KLM
0645 - 0720 Aeroflot
2345 - 0840 Czech Airlines
2225 - 0855 Air France
2205 - 0950 LOT Polish Airlines
2240 - 1030 El Al Isreal Airlines
2140 - 1055 Air Baltic
2140 - 1105 Alitalia

Vnukovo
2225 - 1040 Turkish Airlines

In addition, the pitstop times seem off.  Using what we know: ~Jun 11.  Chips/Tery & Lexi got to the Classroom before 0800 (HoO).  They then took the test ~12 times (you see them failing #11) If we use 2-5 mins a round that's 24-60 minutes.  20 minutes by taxi to the Movers detour.  Since N&N were arriving as T&L were leaving, and were ~1.5 hours behind, we can ballpark .5-1.0 hours for Movers (Chips & T/L are in much better shape).  20 minutes by taxi to the park, 5-10 mins or so looking for the PS and we have a range from 0920 to 1100 for them to get to the PS yet they leave at 7:32PM... 9-10 hours PS? From the shadows as the twins ran to the pitstop, I was figuring 1030-1130, so 1115 + 10 = 2155 and it works, But from the shadows Abbey and Ryan would have been around 1730 ., so with their 0528 departure, this puts them at 1930 if we use the 10 hours above..  You can still see sunlight hitting the tops of the trees when Josh and Brent arrive, so they got there before 2112 (sunset) and we know them to be almost 3 hours behind (0811 departure).  This causes another snag though... 10 hours would be 2211, almost an hour after sunset.

Thoughts?

bcp19,

Flight work can be quite demanding. I learned years ago after numerous "lessons" from Chateau d'If that the information from many flight information websites has to be parsed through. The primary issue is days of the week.

My statement above that I could find only one Air Baltic flight combination the morning of June 11 missing from the collection of earliest flight combinations assumed nobody except Jaymes/James and Trey/Lexi could make it to Sheremetyevo airport before midnight and when they got there no late evening connections were a possibility. Apparently Jaymes/James overlooked or rated as too risky the Alitalia connection in Rome. Trey/Lexi could have done better than they did by taking the earliest routing through Frankfurt. Nadine/Natalia got the optimal connection which was the best they could do. It's a long way from central Moscow to the end of the subway line (I know as I've taken it) and the schedule is poor late evening. Your nonstop KLM902 /Aeroflot codeshare flight did in fact exist on June 11 but such a convenient nonstop must have been full of World Race Productions staff. Why else would 3 teams ignore it? We previously discussed (I think on this thread) why no flights into or out of Domodedovo airport could considered.