Next Destination appears to be:
Papeete, Tahiti! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papeete)
Via AIr France and Air Tahiti.
:dancer: :beach: :dancer:
It does look like the only way out of French Polynesia the night of the 14th and over the course of the 15th is back to Los Angeles or onwards via the Cook Islands to Auckland (in concurrence with Kandace)!
The flights are:
VT 35 from Papeetee to Rarotonga: 15 1220-15 1450
NZ 45 from Rarotonga to Auckland: 15 1730-16 2050
(and also possibly LA 801 from Auckland to Sydney 17 0605-17 0745)
And an early escape for Phil:
SB 601 from Papeetee to Noumea: 14 1730-15 2050
SB 140 from Noumea to Sydney, 16 0815-16 1130
(also possible SB 880 from Noumea to Tokyo 16 0145-16 0845)
So when they LEAVE there we need to add a day?
So when they LEAVE there we need to add a day?
A traveler crossing the International Date Line eastbound subtracts one day, or 24 hours, so that the calendar date to the west of the line is repeated. Crossing the IDL westbound results in 24 hours being added, advancing the calendar date by one day.
So that furthers the Japan/NZ Leg 2 idea, lol.
My flights work confirmed what Neobie has stated, adding in the flight numbers and correcting the airport codes (we knew where you meant, Neobie, but there are no 4 character codes).
My flights work confirmed what Neobie has stated, adding in the flight numbers and correcting the airport codes (we knew where you meant, Neobie, but there are no 4 character codes).
Apskip, I would like to point out that there are 4 character airport codes, they are ICAO codes. Most small airports that don't have IATA (3 character) codes have ICAO ones. for instance, Melbourne's IATA code is MEL and its ICAO code is YMML.
My flights work confirmed what Neobie has stated, adding in the flight numbers and correcting the airport codes (we knew where you meant, Neobie, but there are no 4 character codes).
Apskip, I would like to point out that there are 4 character airport codes, they are ICAO codes. Most small airports that don't have IATA (3 character) codes have ICAO ones. for instance, Melbourne's IATA code is MEL and its ICAO code is YMML.
OK, airlinesguy, where is the 4 character code for HCMC?
At least two teams were on this flight from Hanoi to Hong Kong
VN 592 taking off at10:40 am and arriving at 1:53 pm (actual).
Seems as though Hanoi >>HK>>Bangkok would not be necessary if they could have gone Hanoi>>BKK directly, right?
With Maun Botswana identified as the next destination point for AR22, the following one should be hypothesized. There are many possibilities within Africa. However, my bet is on this combination for Nov. 29:
Maun to Johannesburg 4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600
connecting to
SA224 JNB GRU 1810 0030+1
Maximum is 8-9 legs finished ....I think it all depends on the number of legs in Vietnam and the number of legs in Maun. If both were 2 (and there was time in each place for that to happen), then the flight into Switzerland with its subsequent tasks there would have been leg 10 and another leg in Switzerland leg 11. Such a short race has never happened before, but you cannot say that it is not possible. World Race Productions is trying to save production costs and what better way than a shorter in time race?
I think it all depends on the number of legs in Vietnam and the number of legs in Maun. If both were 2 (and there was time in each place for that to happen), then the flight into Switzerland would have been leg 10 and the leg in Switzerland leg 11. Such a short race has never happened before, but you cannot say that it is not possible. World Race Productions is trying to save production costs and what better way than a shorter in time race?
A couple of interesting trains.
1) high speed ICE train....from Interlaken to Berlin. Leaves Interlaken Ost at 7:00pm arrives in Berlin Hbf at 7:19 am.
2) Night sleep train from Zurich to Berlin. Leaves Zurich Hbf at 7:42 pm and arrives at Berlin Hbf at 7:19 am. Teams would have to get to Zurich from Interlaken on Swiss Inter-Regional trains first.
The two trains follow different routes. The ICE train goes all the way north to Hannover, then turns east to Berlin. The Night Sleeper turns in Frankfurt and goes NE to Berlin.
I didn't look for other times......just entered 1800 in the German Rail website to look for possible trains. If we had some more finite times, we can probably get a better idea on exact trains. But the potential for a rolling pit stop does exist.
I will assume that the teams were ready to return from Berlin to the U.S. today. Which flights might they take?
There is only one nonstop to the eastern half of the U.S.:
UA97 TXL 1034 1417, which landed in Newark just over one hour ago.
I will assume that the teams were ready to return from Berlin to the U.S. today. Which flights might they take?
There is only one nonstop to the eastern half of the U.S.:
UA97 TXL 1034 1417, which landed in Newark just over one hour ago at gate B61.
I will assume that the teams were ready to return from Berlin to the U.S. today. Which flights might they take?
There is only one nonstop to the eastern half of the U.S.:
UA97 TXL 1034 1417, which landed in Newark just over one hour ago at gate B61.
I agree with apskip they are returning to the US...Show contentfor a connecting flight to Central America or Canada (?) for the penultimate leg
Today or tomorrow? wouldn't today be the 12th leg?
LONDON DALLAS
9:45 am → 2:05 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 51
10:40 am → 2:40 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S British Airways 193
1:25 pm → 6:10 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 79
LONDON MIAMI
9:40 am → 2:30 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 207
11:05 am → 4:05 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S American 57
12:05 pm → 5:30 pm LHR-MIA S - - - - F S American 39
12:45 pm → 5:40 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S Virgin Atlantic 5
1:35 pm → 6:20 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 209
2:55 pm → 7:45 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 205
LONDON ATLANTA
8:45 am → 1:40 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 39
2:05 pm → 7:00 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 9
2:30 pm → 6:45 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S British Airways 227
Today or tomorrow? wouldn't today be the 12th leg?
LONDON DALLAS
9:45 am → 2:05 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 51
10:40 am → 2:40 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S British Airways 193
1:25 pm → 6:10 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 79
LONDON MIAMI
9:40 am → 2:30 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 207
11:05 am → 4:05 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S American 57
12:05 pm → 5:30 pm LHR-MIA S - - - - F S American 39
12:45 pm → 5:40 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S Virgin Atlantic 5
1:35 pm → 6:20 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 209
2:55 pm → 7:45 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 205
LONDON ATLANTA
8:45 am → 1:40 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 39
2:05 pm → 7:00 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 9
2:30 pm → 6:45 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S British Airways 227
it cant be Maimai or altana or dallas umm
Today or tomorrow? wouldn't today be the 12th leg?
LONDON DALLAS
9:45 am → 2:05 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 51
10:40 am → 2:40 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S British Airways 193
1:25 pm → 6:10 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 79
LONDON MIAMI
9:40 am → 2:30 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 207
11:05 am → 4:05 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S American 57
12:05 pm → 5:30 pm LHR-MIA S - - - - F S American 39
12:45 pm → 5:40 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S Virgin Atlantic 5
1:35 pm → 6:20 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 209
2:55 pm → 7:45 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 205
LONDON ATLANTA
8:45 am → 1:40 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 39
2:05 pm → 7:00 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 9
2:30 pm → 6:45 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S British Airways 227
it cant be Maimai or altana or dallas umm
Why?
LONDON ATLANTA
8:45 am → 1:40 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 39
Are you ready for visitors again Peach? :cmaslolQuoteLONDON ATLANTA
8:45 am → 1:40 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 39
Yeah, don't forget the Motor City (Can't forget the Motor City)
London <-> Detroit
LHR London DL 19 Delta Air Lines DEP 09:25 ARR 13:20
So this is what we have so far it appears.
1. French Polynesia
2. French Polynesia
3. New Zealand
4. Indonesia
5. Vietnam
6. Vietnam
7. Botswana
8. ???
9. Switzerland
10. Germany
11. ???
12. USA (obviously)
Theories I have for legs 8 and eventually 11:
a. Second leg in Botswana, other country in Europe
b. leg in South Africa/Namibia, second leg in Germany (i hope :hrt:)
Here is my guess:
Leg Country
1 French Polynesia
2 French Polynesia
3 New Zealand
4 Indonesia
5 Vietnam
6 Vietnam
7 Botswana
8 Botswana
9 Switzerland & Germany
10 Gibraltar
11 London England
12 USA
MY THEORY OF NONSTOPS FOR FINALES WILL BE THE FOCUS OF THIS POST, WITH BELFAST (BFS) AND SHANNON THE LOGICAL DEPARTURE AIRPORTS (DUBLIN IS TOO FAR).
Actually, redwings, your data for belfast to shannon and mine too are both way off. The correct number is 177 miles. Dublin is indeed a considerably shorter distance from Belfast.
Just a while idea in my brain....maybe a finish line at the Naval Observatory in Washington, DC? (It's also the official home of the Vice President.)
The Finale is NOT in NYC.
And I would also look at connecting any flights from Belfast via Manchester, an easy hop.
I'm sticking with UA 923 leaving LHR at 7:40 am and arriving at Washington Dulles At 11:15 am. :cmas3
If London is confirmed why are teams going through Manchester?
If my guess about the Naval Observatory as a finish line is anywhere close, then the possibility of teams going to the Greenwich Observatory in London would be a possibility as well.
I have taken another look at dates most likely for leaving Maun and going across the pond nonstop to Sao Paulo from Johannesburg. Follow this logic:
Teams cannot arrive before Nov. 26 (yesterday) into Maun if flying nonstop HKG JNB on either:
CX749 2350 0637+1 (today, Nov. 27th)
SA287 2347 0713+1
Then the choices to Maun JNB MUB were:
BP212 1140 1320
4Z8310 1155 1345
I expect that this leg or two legs will take 48 hours in Maun. That means these flights back MUB JNB:
BP211 1420 1600
4Z8301 1400 1540
There is the rub, as there is no late afternoon flight to Sao Paulo on Thursdays. Teams will have a layover there until Friday morning Nov. 29:
JNB GRU SA222 1010 1630
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The connection HKG JNB after the opening flight KA296 HAN HKG would after a 10 hour wait in Hong Kong airport be:
for Nov. 23 SA287 2341 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0641+1
for Nov. 24 SA287 2345 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0635+1
The connection JNB MUB would be:
for Nov. 24 or Nov. 25 BP212 1140 1320 or 4Z8300 1145 1325
It is now apparent that all of episode 7 stays in Botswana. That means that the flights out starting episode 8 will almost certainly be MUB JNB would be most likely on Nov. 26 or 27:
4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600
The question of whether the sighting in Switzerland is real or teams go directly to Berlin. I don't know but am going to dig up the prior research on this and add some of my own.
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There is an Insider vid saying that teams travelled for 4 days getting to Botswana. :ascared
There is an Insider vid saying that teams travelled for 4 days getting to Botswana. :ascared
There is an Insider vid saying that teams travelled for 4 days getting to Botswana. :ascared
Peach, thanks for directing me to the Insider video with Katie stating "it took us 4 days and 6 flights to get to Maun." I say that's rubbish, as that would be highly unlikely from what we know about flights! The Amazing Line for flights on last night's telecast showed HAN to HKG to JNB. With the actual flight information for the relevant dates and those routes I cited above, here is what I believe happened:
Nov. 23 (although everything could be moved one day if there was some extended pit stop we do not know about and cannot take into account - HAN HKG
Nov. 23 - departure HKG (same comment)
Nov. 24 - arrival JNB and transfer JNB MUB arriving early afternoon (same comment); there was obviously an overnight in Maun although I would have flown them out to the Makgadikgali Pans and made them sleep on cots!
Nov. 25 - final flight MUB to Xhumaga airstrip departing between 9am and 930am
That's exactly 4 flights, with it very unlikely that any alternate routes from HKG to JNB were used. It happened in total elapsed time of an apparent 47 hours plus the time zone difference of 5 hours between HKG and MUB, for a real total of approximately 52 hours in route. That's not 4 days no matter how you look at it.
Perhaps Katie was adding in the overnight hours in Hanoi, but that still would not get it to more than 63 hours (2.7 days).
There is an Insider vid saying that teams travelled for 4 days getting to Botswana. :ascared
Peach, thanks for directing me to the Insider video with Katie stating "it took us 4 days and 6 flights to get to Maun." I say that's rubbish, as that would be highly unlikely from what we know about flights! The Amazing Line for flights on last night's telecast showed HAN to HKG to JNB. With the actual flight information for the relevant dates and those routes I cited above, here is what I believe happened:
Nov. 23 (although everything could be moved one day if there was some extended pit stop we do not know about and cannot take into account - HAN HKG
Nov. 23 - departure HKG (same comment)
Nov. 24 - arrival JNB and transfer JNB MUB arriving early afternoon (same comment); there was obviously an overnight in Maun although I would have flown them out to the Makgadikgali Pans and made them sleep on cots!
Nov. 25 - final flight MUB to Xhumaga airstrip departing between 9am and 930am
That's exactly 4 flights, with it very unlikely that any alternate routes from HKG to JNB were used. It happened in total elapsed time of an apparent 47 hours plus the time zone difference of 5 hours between HKG and MUB, for a real total of approximately 52 hours in route. That's not 4 days no matter how you look at it.
Perhaps Katie was adding in the overnight hours in Hanoi, but that still would not get it to more than 63 hours (2.7 days).
Updated flight schedules on Nov 28/29, 2013.
Maun to Johannesburg
4z 8301 2:00pm to 3:40 pm
BP 211 2:20 pm to 4:00pm
Johannesburg to Zurich
LX 289 8:25pm to 6:10am (arriving on Nov 29th)
Train to Interlaken from Zurich Airport
1) 6:40 am to 8:51 am
2) 7:13 am to 9:28 am
3) 7:13 am to 9:51 am
I have started my analysis of how teams might have gotten from Zurich to Berlin. The most obvious way is ot fly from Zurich but which airports might you fly to. Berlin has these airports:
BER Brandenburg
EDBT Allstedt
GWW Gatow (an RAF facility)
SFX Schoenfield
TWF Tempelhof
TXL Tegel
That left be searching for alternate routes that would land on those dates in Zurich around 2pm and the answer to that was the null set. I tried connecting in Addis Ababa, Cairo, Munich, Frankfurt, Paris-CDG and Rome. Nothing got to Zurich at the stated time. The only one remotely close was via AMS.
finding the rail station and buying a ticket at 51 minutes in Zurich. However, the flight on Nov. 30th is almost a perfect fit with what a match with reported time on the telecast requires:
11/30 BA714 1118 1402
The problem with that is that we have strong indications that teams did race in Grindelwald on the 30th. Phil was spotted on that date and we see that date filmed at least once in the episode (as teams arrive at Kleine Scheidegg). This means they had to arrive in Zurich on the 29th.
So the question is if it is probable that teams managed to catch the 15.40 train when their delayed flight landed at 14:49. I believe that this is possible with a bit of luck, short immigration lines and no checked luggage.
What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:
Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am
maf,What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:
Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am
I think teams started the leg in Interlaken. They started from the garden of a fairly large hotel, and there was green grass on the ground. Not snow-covered as it was in Grindelwald. And The train station they walk to is Interlaken West.
maf,What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:
Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am
I think teams started the leg in Interlaken. They started from the garden of a fairly large hotel, and there was green grass on the ground. Not snow-covered as it was in Grindelwald. And The train station they walk to is Interlaken West.
Why would World Race Productions record the time of 518am actual departure for the telecast if teams did not start from Grindelwald? This wouldn't be the first time WRP misrepresented the location of the pit stop release, but in this case I doubt that it was anywhere but Grindelwald in this case.
Apskip, the leg started in Interlaken, not in Grindewald. If you check on the logo of the taxi that Caroline and Jennifer took to reach the train station it clearly says Interlaken.
Well I agree with the Interlaken pit start. But it is only 12 miles from Interlaken to Grindelwald, so I see the possibility that taxis from Interlaken could be in Grindelwald as a normal course of the day. Heck, some of the drivers could live in Grindelwald. So that arguement doesnt do much for me.........the green grass beneath their feet when getting the clue is more important to me.
Well the missing day, Dec 2 was an extended stay in Berlin.
Dec 3, 2012
Max/Katie, Bates/Anthony, Caroline/Jennifer
Berlin>Brussels>Edinburgh
SN 2592 6:45 - 8:05 Berlin to Brussels
BM 1628 9:55 - 10:40 Brussels to Edinbrugh
Beth/Mona, Joey/Meghan
Berlin>Frankfurt>Edinbrugh
Six flights from 6:00 to 11:00 am from Berlin to Frankfurt... LH flight #'s (171, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181)
LH 962 12:05 - 1:00 (1:13)
It can't have been on the 4th as we had live sighting of teams in Edinburgh on the 3rdWell the missing day, Dec 2 was an extended stay in Berlin.
Dec 3, 2012
Max/Katie, Bates/Anthony, Caroline/Jennifer
Berlin>Brussels>Edinburgh
SN 2592 6:45 - 8:05 Berlin to Brussels
BM 1628 9:55 - 10:40 Brussels to Edinbrugh
Beth/Mona, Joey/Meghan
Berlin>Frankfurt>Edinbrugh
Six flights from 6:00 to 11:00 am from Berlin to Frankfurt... LH flight #'s (171, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181)
LH 962 12:05 - 1:00 (1:13)
I happen to think it could be one day later (Dec. 4) as a result of an extended stay in Switzerland, but that is insignificant as all flights in question are at about the same times. For December 4,
it is, due to both the flight info sign and to actual flight schedules from Tegel to Brussels, SN 2592 0645 0816 TXL BRU connecting to
BM1628 0955 1040.
The later arrival was quite hard to pin down. The originating flight to Frankfurt in the 0850 time frame as specified in the telecast narrative could be either LH177 0855 1001 TXL FRA or AB2597 0903 1013. It doesn't matter which it is, since both easily connect to:
LH1962 1150 1305 FRA EDI
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As always, I find the details of transportation to be important in shaping each Amazing Race leg. Leg 11 started with a trip to Edinburgh Central rail station for a 1 hour 10 minute average trip (there are 4 each hour) to Glasgow Central. That would put Max/Katie into Glasgow by just after 530pm, Bates/Anthony the same, Caroline/Jennifer there by 645pm and Mona/Beth there by 845pm.
The train schedule from Glasgow to Stanraer was fiendishly difficult to obtain (try it and see what I mean). At that range of evening departures, the trains would be:
dep. Glasgow Central 1830 arr. Stanraer 2059
dep. Glasgow Central 2030 arr. Stanraer 2353
The walk to the Cairnryan ferry terminal is reported to be 3 minutes or 6 minutes from either Stanraer station, but in any event the teams took taxis.
At the ferry terminal they bunched and I believe World Race Productions made a strategic decision to not allow them to take the 4am ferry to Belfast for filming reasons. They were on the 0730 ferry for unknown reasons, arriving 0945. Leg 11 finished with a pit stop and teams were released in Belfast the next morning. They were sent to the Stena line ship Belfast to Liverpool, which had this schedule:
dep. 1030 arr. 1830 after an 8 hour trip
The next train options to London-Euston from Liverpool-Lime St. were:
dep. 1848 arr. 2102
dep. 1948 arr. 2209
After the trip to the pub to find out their destination, teams could reasonably expect to reach Heathrow around midnight. The only reasonable choice would be United 923 LHR IAD 0723 1042 and the video showed a United plane taxiing into the gate at Washington-Dulles.