I cannot get the right angle to be sure ( :gaah: ), but I think it might be the cliffs at Kualoa Ranch, which was used for Jurassic Park, Lost, etc.(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x449/kikisak/TAR/T207.png)7This is a cap from TAR20 intro, which I'm guessing is Hawaii, do we have a location genius that can track this exact location down?? It could be important :duno:
http://www.kualoa.com/about/ (http://www.kualoa.com/about/)
Maybe this was noted earlier, but the helicopter in the caps thread is from Makani Kai Helicopters.
http://www.makanikai.com/helicoptercharters.html (http://www.makanikai.com/helicoptercharters.html)
I looked more closely at the area, and pinpointed the location of the intro cap shot as Kahana Bay, which is on the windward/eastern side of Oahu. Kualoa Ranch is on the other side of the ridge, just to the south.
Kualoa Ranch is a private 4,000 acre property, totally stunning to look at, and historically significant to the Hawaiian people, so certainly another candidate for a finale location.
Boston Jen , you are spot on! The settlement is Kaaawa (who said there is no word with three consecutive a's?). This shot was taken here:
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x449/kikisak/TAR/T207.png)
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/TAR%2020%20Finale/locations%20caps/7573507d.jpg)
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/TAR%2020%20Finale/locations%20caps/91439edf.jpg)
Saw the preview. no way, someone gets turned back at the finish line?
That has never happened before.
First of all, a team can only get their next clue from a roadblock after completing that roadblock. So I'm guessing that whichever team it is, they accidentally stumbled onto the finish line (perhaps on their way to the final roadblock)
In most seasons, the roadblock in the final leg comes after the detour. Oftentimes, it's right before the finish line and if that's the case, it's most often some sort of a memory task.
Yeah, I think it's more likely that team stumbled on the finish line instead of downright not doing the roadblock.
I know I'm not good at this and probably wrong.. but could the finish line be near Paiko Lagoon?
I know I'm not good at this and probably wrong.. but could the finish line be near Paiko Lagoon?
GE hates me, but that looks darned good!!
But also trying to match images for Kualoa Ranch:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Kualoa+Ranch&hl=en&rlz=1T4TSNF_enUS433US434&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=0SWeT_6QNYSo8gS1z9CbDw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CCYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1093&bih=390 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Kualoa+Ranch&hl=en&rlz=1T4TSNF_enUS433US434&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=0SWeT_6QNYSo8gS1z9CbDw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CCYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1093&bih=390)
**waits for word from the masters**
Nice work Peach!
You got it!
Kualoa Ranch :tup:
Saw the preview. no way, someone gets turned back at the finish line?
That has never happened before.
First of all, a team can only get their next clue from a roadblock after completing that roadblock. So I'm guessing that whichever team it is, they accidentally stumbled onto the finish line (perhaps on their way to the final roadblock)
In most seasons, the roadblock in the final leg comes after the detour. Oftentimes, it's right before the finish line and if that's the case, it's most often some sort of a memory task.
Yeah, I think it's more likely that team stumbled on the finish line instead of downright not doing the roadblock.
Saw the preview. no way, someone gets turned back at the finish line?
That has never happened before.
First of all, a team can only get their next clue from a roadblock after completing that roadblock. So I'm guessing that whichever team it is, they accidentally stumbled onto the finish line (perhaps on their way to the final roadblock)
In most seasons, the roadblock in the final leg comes after the detour. Oftentimes, it's right before the finish line and if that's the case, it's most often some sort of a memory task.
Yeah, I think it's more likely that team stumbled on the finish line instead of downright not doing the roadblock.
Actually most finales don't have a detour at all. But one thing they have been doing lately is a double roadblock in the finale. What if a team skips the second one? This seems more likely than them completing it incorrectly because in that case they wouldn't get the clue.
And who says that this team is eliminated? They could be in the lead at that point and still get back to the roadblock while other teams are there. One question is, is this RB in question the final task or not?
Oh and
The breathing clip sounds like Rachel.from Davechel. So one of the Rachel teams had to.go.back. Hope Art and JJ is miles behind, and Brenchel win
Oh and
The breathing clip sounds like Rachel.from Davechel. So one of the Rachel teams had to.go.back. Hope Art and JJ is miles behind, and Brenchel win
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
^ I think the 4th Place team(if there is any) would go next to Nary/Jamie.This picture makes me think of Survivor :lol:
(http://i.imgur.com/IVoma.jpg)
Theres also footprints going behind the finish mat & a oval thing in front of it :lol:
idk if this is relevant at all, but kerri seems real happy that the team that checked in first messed up.
Which likely means Border Patrol or R/D
Mark and Bopper first team to get eliminated after using fast forward.Saw the preview. no way, someone gets turned back at the finish line?
That has never happened before.
First of all, a team can only get their next clue from a roadblock after completing that roadblock. So I'm guessing that whichever team it is, they accidentally stumbled onto the finish line (perhaps on their way to the final roadblock)
In most seasons, the roadblock in the final leg comes after the detour. Oftentimes, it's right before the finish line and if that's the case, it's most often some sort of a memory task.
Yeah, I think it's more likely that team stumbled on the finish line instead of downright not doing the roadblock.
Well, there's always a first time for everything in TAR: a Co-ed team winning the race - and a first woman - (TAR3); a first time an all female team won (TAR17); a double elimination (TAR19); two U-Turned teams spared elimination (this season); a team last in a NEL who completed SB, RB and Detour and won the next leg (TAR16). I always thought (or dreamt) that one day, one team would reach the finish line and Phil would receive them with a "however" due to failed a task in that leg. Seems it's the first time for this too. :groan:
Mark and Bopper first team to get eliminated after using fast forward.Saw the preview. no way, someone gets turned back at the finish line?
That has never happened before.
First of all, a team can only get their next clue from a roadblock after completing that roadblock. So I'm guessing that whichever team it is, they accidentally stumbled onto the finish line (perhaps on their way to the final roadblock)
In most seasons, the roadblock in the final leg comes after the detour. Oftentimes, it's right before the finish line and if that's the case, it's most often some sort of a memory task.
Yeah, I think it's more likely that team stumbled on the finish line instead of downright not doing the roadblock.
Well, there's always a first time for everything in TAR: a Co-ed team winning the race - and a first woman - (TAR3); a first time an all female team won (TAR17); a double elimination (TAR19); two U-Turned teams spared elimination (this season); a team last in a NEL who completed SB, RB and Detour and won the next leg (TAR16). I always thought (or dreamt) that one day, one team would reach the finish line and Phil would receive them with a "however" due to failed a task in that leg. Seems it's the first time for this too. :groan:
Oh and
The breathing clip sounds like Rachel.from Davechel. So one of the Rachel teams had to.go.back. Hope Art and JJ is miles behind, and Brenchel win
If you listen very carefully (with the volume very high), as Phil tells a team that they have to turn back, I hear some heavy breathing.
the breathing sounded female, a male breathing heavily sounds different.
(http://i.imgur.com/bqcI9.png)
Does anybody notice that we have 7 others female racers in the finish line? And the breathing could be from one of them?
@jiajia12: I listened to the clip again and I can't hear anybody breathing. But you seemed to know that Brenchel would beat Ranessa in a footrace in the last episode...
You all might want to go back and take another look at the season long preview and the caps we got after episode 1.
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26886.msg715559.html#msg715559 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26886.msg715559.html#msg715559)
We know teams are travelling BY HELICOPTER up the coast.
SO...
Either the RB is there at Kualoa resort and whoever goofed doesn't have far to go back...
OR :ascared
The unfortunate team would have to travel BACK to wherever by helicopter to complete the challenge.
You all might want to go back and take another look at the season long preview and the caps we got after episode 1.
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26886.msg715559.html#msg715559 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26886.msg715559.html#msg715559)
We know teams are travelling BY HELICOPTER up the coast.
SO...
Either the RB is there at Kualoa resort and whoever goofed doesn't have far to go back...
OR :ascared
The unfortunate team would have to travel BACK to wherever by helicopter to complete the challenge.
It seems quite likely that the final RB could be on the ranch sort of like TAR9 and the team in question just gets off the chopper and runs to Phil without doing the task.
Just some ideas on the finish of TAR20. Access to the Kaneohe Bay/Kailua Bay area of eastern Oahu from Honolulu area is pretty easy via the
1st) Pali Highway
2nd) Likilike Highway
3rd) the H3 Interstate Highway
If they only have the tower climb and rappel in downtown Honolulu, then the Pali Highway is easiest/quickest way to get to the other side of the mountains.
On the Finish Line Stage (marked with a red map pin), upstage is to the east (right) and downstage is to the west (left). Teams always approach the downstage side of the Finish Line Stage/Mat. At the western end of the beach is a pretty open area that Production could use to have the final RB task. This possible RB area is marked with a red R.
It appears to me that teams arrive in this area via jet skis. It depends on just how far Production wants them to ride the jet skis. A good, secure launch point would be on the Marine Corps Base Hawaii, similar to the air force base in Guam in TAR11. They would have no security problems there. The jet ski distance seems a little far, but then it could explain why a team got mistaken about the location of the RB and Finish Line Mat.
A closer launch point for the jet skis could be Waiahole Beach Park, where Production could also control access if they rent it for the day. Possible jet ski launch points are marked with a red J.
(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/drrox1/TAR20PossibleFinalTasks.jpg)
If someone with maps expertise can confirm it, but pics 15-18 look VERY familiar to me because I vacationed there with my family back in 2008. It looks like that helicopter is flying over the town of Punaluu or Kaawa. I also did a search and the only heliport in the area is at Kualoa Ranch OR they could be flying to the Marine Base in Kaneohe.
Hmm, I still think there will be a Double RB. Perhaps the jetski is the first RB :duno: and one team only completes this task rather than the 2nd RB? :duno:
Hmm, I still think there will be a Double RB. Perhaps the jetski is the first RB :duno: and one team only completes this task rather than the 2nd RB? :duno:
I think you are right. The pattern for a while now on Final Legs, seems to be 2 RBs and a team task ( that I just call a 1/2 detour).
Don't forget there was no roadblock on the first leg. That's perhaps the biggest and best reason for there being two roadblocks and no detour on the final leg. (And I'll assume the towers are an active route marker task.)
The Jetskis can't be a RB, you see one team member driving and one being pulled behind.
The Jetskis can't be a RB, you see one team member driving and one being pulled behind.
Hmm, I still think there will be a Double RB. Perhaps the jetski is the first RB :duno: and one team only completes this task rather than the 2nd RB? :duno:
I think you are right. The pattern for a while now on Final Legs, seems to be 2 RBs and a team task ( that I just call a 1/2 detour).
The pattern is no Detours in the final leg since season 14. The last season with a Detour on a final leg was Season 13 (High and Dry or Low and Wet).
Hmm, I still think there will be a Double RB. Perhaps the jetski is the first RB :duno: and one team only completes this task rather than the 2nd RB? :duno:
I think you are right. The pattern for a while now on Final Legs, seems to be 2 RBs and a team task ( that I just call a 1/2 detour).
The pattern is no Detours in the final leg since season 14. The last season with a Detour on a final leg was Season 13 (High and Dry or Low and Wet).
TAR14 had a detour in the finale. They didn't mention it because everyone chose to do the luau one and not the surfing one.
Why Kerri & Stacy might be laughing?
The Amazing Race - Cousins vs. Major Dave
Cousins Kerry & Stacy now take on Major Dave in another airport confrontation.
http://www.youtube.com/v/6kW9vaML6iQ&feature=BFa&list=UUlzCn8DxRSCuMFv_WfzkcrQ&lf=plcp
Thanks! SO maybe they don't take the helicopters all the way??
We have the rappel
the Jetskis, one driving, one surfing behind? Two teams seen together
the unplaced RB
so far...
We also know teams travel by helicopter along the coast at some point.
We also have aerials shots:
Slowhatch confirmed the locations here:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26886.msg716599.html#msg716599
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26886.msg716655.html#msg716655If someone with maps expertise can confirm it, but pics 15-18 look VERY familiar to me because I vacationed there with my family back in 2008. It looks like that helicopter is flying over the town of Punaluu or Kaawa. I also did a search and the only heliport in the area is at Kualoa Ranch OR they could be flying to the Marine Base in Kaneohe.
SO not sure how an order all fits in?
rappel
helicopter to ??marine base?? or Kualoa?
jet skis to/ or near Kualoa??
RB?
MAT?
need some more help here :lol:
Thanks! SO maybe they don't take the helicopters all the way??
We have the rappel
the Jetskis, one driving, one surfing behind? Two teams seen together
the unplaced RB
so far...
We also know teams travel by helicopter along the coast at some point.
We also have aerials shots:
Slowhatch confirmed the locations here:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26886.msg716599.html#msg716599
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26886.msg716655.html#msg716655If someone with maps expertise can confirm it, but pics 15-18 look VERY familiar to me because I vacationed there with my family back in 2008. It looks like that helicopter is flying over the town of Punaluu or Kaawa. I also did a search and the only heliport in the area is at Kualoa Ranch OR they could be flying to the Marine Base in Kaneohe.
SO not sure how an order all fits in?
rappel
helicopter to ??marine base?? or Kualoa?
jet skis to/ or near Kualoa??
RB?
MAT?
need some more help here :lol:
I am 99.9% certain that one picture of the helicopter passing a beach in the episode 1 preview, cap 18, is actually on the NORTH shore, in the Kawela Bay area, at Pahipahialua Beach. The road pictured is still Kamehameha Hwy, which goes by both of our beaches, but it's 20 miles north of Kualoa Ranch. That's the opposite direction of the Marine Corps Air Station at Kaneohe Bay.
I can't upload an image right now, but on Google maps I found what I am pretty certain is the striped-roofed building in the upper right corner of the picture.
If you listen very carefully (with the volume very high), as Phil tells a team that they have to turn back, I hear some heavy breathing.
the breathing sounded female, a male breathing heavily sounds different.
I listened with the volume all the way up and headphones on , and you're right , I can hear it too and it does sound like Rachel from D/R.
I hear nothing. :lol3: And since there would be NO way to determine whose breathing it was, (if I heard breathing...) it really doesn't matter in the scheme of things, does it??
I didn't hear it, but after someone posted it here I definitely hear it and I believe its from a female. :lol:
Its from :31 to :34 seconds in the video and try not to listen to Phil's voice and you might just hear it.
New Press pics:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/TAR%2020%20Finale/Press/69ab8977.jpg)
My my...how quickly everyone forgets. I'm the one who called it about Kaawaa/Kualoa Ranch...but whatever - I'm moving on.
Kay so, where does anyone think this is? (I'm gonna venture to say not Japan)I spent 4 years at MCBH Kaneohe, and at first glance, it reminds me of the soil from the base, so I' d have to say Hawaii. I swear I've been right where they are...
(http://i.imgur.com/wL6Yt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/72FzM.jpg)
And I think this is RachelR
(http://i.imgur.com/KJaUl.jpg?1?8809)
Watching that promo makes me think brendon and Rachel get turned back.
:bigwelcome to RFF! Could the finish line be near there?From the pictures shown of the finish line, it is less than 20 miles from the base.
Hmm, I'm beginning to wonder if that shot of Brenchel is before the jet ski RB.
Blond rachel is on both the sled and the jet ski though.Hmm, I'm beginning to wonder if that shot of Brenchel is before the jet ski RB.
How do you/we know that the jet ski is a RB.....maybe we have an actual detour this time......Jet Ski or ancient sled............who does which one in the promos/previews?
The finish line is a little isolate on that spit of sand.......maybe they have to use the paddleboards to get across those big ponds behind the beach?
Blond rachel is on both the sled and the jet ski though.Hmm, I'm beginning to wonder if that shot of Brenchel is before the jet ski RB.
How do you/we know that the jet ski is a RB.....maybe we have an actual detour this time......Jet Ski or ancient sled............who does which one in the promos/previews?
The finish line is a little isolate on that spit of sand.......maybe they have to use the paddleboards to get across those big ponds behind the beach?
I just noticed in the latest preview that the blurred shot of the finish line "Not the end of the race", there are 4 teams on both the left and right. The team on the right, closest to the mat, looks like a person in a yellow shirt and light colored pants. Ideas?
Guys, I don't think any of your conclusions of the finish line clip matter. It has to be a recreated scene. If you were told you "won", you most likely would be screaming or saying something. They re-taped the scene so you wouldn't hear a team celebrating that they got there first.I doubt it, normally Phil says something like "8 countries, 21 days, more than 40,000 miles...". More likely he says someone like "Hold it, hold it, quiet down a minute" to the receiving line(which is cut) and they show where he says "You are the first teams to arrive... however".
I thought the only thing involving surf in the last leg of TAR14 was the RB (the surfboard fence).
So have we established that there is a double roadblock for the Honolulu leg? If so does that mean each member has to do one of the roadblocks because I see Blonde Rachel doing both, which is maybe what Phil is talking about? Just a thought.
New Press pics:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/TAR%2020%20Finale/Press/69ab8977.jpg)
New Press pics:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/TAR%2020%20Finale/Press/69ab8977.jpg)
The preview definitely makes for some interesting sleuthing on who messes up by not finishing a task.
These promo pics are from the upcoming episode, correct? Then what task is it that has Dave pulling off some work gloves, as they read the clue?
Do you notice that Art and JJ's lighting is very different. It could just be a cloud, but it looks like they at a different time of day.
New Press pics:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/TAR%2020%20Finale/Press/69ab8977.jpg)
The preview definitely makes for some interesting sleuthing on who messes up by not finishing a task.
These promo pics are from the upcoming episode, correct? Then what task is it that has Dave pulling off some work gloves, as they read the clue?
In the Brenchel tantrum pics, someone mentioned the red box in 47 looked like something from a golf course(though the grass/soil doesn't look like what you'd find on a normal course), anyone able to figure out a possible location? Also, in (48-51), has anyone commented on the yellow 'log' barriers along the road/parking area? Is there someone currently in Hawaii(my memories are 8+ years old) who could shed light on whether they are a common/uncommon/rare sight?
In the Brenchel tantrum pics, someone mentioned the red box in 47 looked like something from a golf course(though the grass/soil doesn't look like what you'd find on a normal course), anyone able to figure out a possible location? Also, in (48-51), has anyone commented on the yellow 'log' barriers along the road/parking area? Is there someone currently in Hawaii(my memories are 8+ years old) who could shed light on whether they are a common/uncommon/rare sight?
I was thinking it could be a park, given the picnic table behind them in the press photo with the clue box, and in cap 48, the building in the upper right corner looks like a public restroom to me. I used to run cross-country when I attended school in Hawaii, and we ran at schools, parks, and on golf courses, and this looks more like a park to me. Plus there is that yellow gate in the background. I did notice the yellow parking lot barriers, and they seem less common than plain old concrete or other barriers. I don't recognize the spot right now, but I will keep looking....
I was just looking at cap 47 again. What the heck is that yellow box-like structure that looks like it's up on stilts in the trees behind the red box?
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I'm back to point out the possibility of Sand Island Beach Park. It has the same picnic tables, the same yellow curbs, the same bathroom, and in the picture marked WWII Bunkers you can see the yellow box up in the air and a red box on the ground.
Sorry I can't post the picture. Can a tech-savvy person help out?
http://www.to-hawaii.com/oahu/beaches/sandislandbeachpark.php
In the Brenchel tantrum pics, someone mentioned the red box in 47 looked like something from a golf course(though the grass/soil doesn't look like what you'd find on a normal course), anyone able to figure out a possible location? Also, in (48-51), has anyone commented on the yellow 'log' barriers along the road/parking area? Is there someone currently in Hawaii(my memories are 8+ years old) who could shed light on whether they are a common/uncommon/rare sight?
I was thinking it could be a park, given the picnic table behind them in the press photo with the clue box, and in cap 48, the building in the upper right corner looks like a public restroom to me. I used to run cross-country when I attended school in Hawaii, and we ran at schools, parks, and on golf courses, and this looks more like a park to me. Plus there is that yellow gate in the background. I did notice the yellow parking lot barriers, and they seem less common than plain old concrete or other barriers. I don't recognize the spot right now, but I will keep looking....
I was just looking at cap 47 again. What the heck is that yellow box-like structure that looks like it's up on stilts in the trees behind the red box?
__________
I'm back to point out the possibility of Sand Island Beach Park. It has the same picnic tables, the same yellow curbs, the same bathroom, and in the picture marked WWII Bunkers you can see the yellow box up in the air and a red box on the ground.
Sorry I can't post the picture. Can a tech-savvy person help out?
http://www.to-hawaii.com/oahu/beaches/sandislandbeachpark.php
Hey, guys, could be the yellow box like construction in cap 47 this one?
It's a picture from Sand Island Beach Park, the one Boston_jen thinks is the place Brenchel were walking.
I hope this incomplete roadblock thing isn't similar to the debacle last season with the episode 2 (Yogyakarta, Indonesia) detour.
After completing the detours, teams were supposed to donate all of their money to the orphans.
So teams received the clue sending them to the pitstop without actually fulfilling the complete requirements and after arriving at the pitstop were sent back by Phil.
If they've added something else like that and equally lame on to the end of the roadblock, I'll be really disappointed. Especially if it costs a team $1,000,000 .
Did they reshoot at the orphanage as well? When Ernie and Cindy, the 1st team to arrive, are handing over their money, the sign is right there in plain sight.I hope this incomplete roadblock thing isn't similar to the debacle last season with the episode 2 (Yogyakarta, Indonesia) detour.
After completing the detours, teams were supposed to donate all of their money to the orphans.
So teams received the clue sending them to the pitstop without actually fulfilling the complete requirements and after arriving at the pitstop were sent back by Phil.
If they've added something else like that and equally lame on to the end of the roadblock, I'll be really disappointed. Especially if it costs a team $1,000,000 .
i provided info last season about that yogyakarta, indonesia debacle but ill give it again. for that particular task, the racers beat production to that orphanage which is why they received clues sending them to the pitstop. teams were actually at the pitstop for 40 mins after phil checked them in and then had to re-film the "however" scene which is why if you look back at last season, teams were not surprised at all when phil said "however"...they simply nodded their heads having already found out their mistake....at that point they were already exhausted and thought they were finished with the leg...but nope.
This shot was taken between 11:18 and 11:32 am (assumes December 19th).
note correction :)
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/TAR%2020%20Finale/PROMO%201/20-11-12-promo1-CAPS0762.jpg)
According to exif data from bspencer413's photos, Brenchel performed the climbing task around 10:45 AM so I will amend my theory about them being lost before that task. This must be right after it though, I wonder where they are trying to get to. Could the jetskis launch from Sand Island?In the picture though, it being Dec 19th, the sun would be way south of Hawaii, so their shadows are mostly north, indicating they are walking mostly west, away from the towers, almost like they came across on JetSki from the beach near the towers to the park? The bottom of Rachel's shorts in that picture are a little discolored as if they were damp, and as noted by others, her hair is up as though she had been wearing a hemlet.
I've learned not to base anything on the previews , but the line in the description for this episode , "Who will win the most important 1st place finish of their lives?" makes me think It's Brenchel who win , since they haven't came in first on any other legs.
someone can know the time in the final leg the picturess
As we now know that this argument took place on Sand Island, shortly after the tall building task, it's safe to say it has nothing to do with anything that may or may not have happened on the finish mat.It must have been a long argument, I did some google map searching and made this pic: The red square is the 'turret' past the red box in #47 and they are standing at approx the yellow square. In #48, you can see the restrooms inside the green square and they are standing at about the blue square.
Did they reshoot at the orphanage as well? When Ernie and Cindy, the 1st team to arrive, are handing over their money, the sign is right there in plain sight.I hope this incomplete roadblock thing isn't similar to the debacle last season with the episode 2 (Yogyakarta, Indonesia) detour.
After completing the detours, teams were supposed to donate all of their money to the orphans.
So teams received the clue sending them to the pitstop without actually fulfilling the complete requirements and after arriving at the pitstop were sent back by Phil.
If they've added something else like that and equally lame on to the end of the roadblock, I'll be really disappointed. Especially if it costs a team $1,000,000 .
i provided info last season about that yogyakarta, indonesia debacle but ill give it again. for that particular task, the racers beat production to that orphanage which is why they received clues sending them to the pitstop. teams were actually at the pitstop for 40 mins after phil checked them in and then had to re-film the "however" scene which is why if you look back at last season, teams were not surprised at all when phil said "however"...they simply nodded their heads having already found out their mistake....at that point they were already exhausted and thought they were finished with the leg...but nope.
I found this pictures in a Sand Island webpage: the first is the building in the background of cap. 48. The second is a view from the beach of the park, and we can see two buildings that looks almost identical, Propeht find in the map he posted that the One Waterfront Towers is close to the park. Could the buildings in the left of the picture be the two towers?Actually, in your first pic, similar building, but there are too many trees around the bathrooms. Second pic, again, close, but not quite right, the 2 towers are too far apart. Check out the following: 1st is view from beside the bathrooms in 48 where you can see the towers, the 2nd is a little ways down the path. There are 2 buildings on the left that look like the right height and proximity.
As we now know that this argument took place on Sand Island, shortly after the tall building task, it's safe to say it has nothing to do with anything that may or may not have happened on the finish mat.It must have been a long argument, I did some google map searching and made this pic: The red square is the 'turret' past the red box in #47 and they are standing at approx the yellow square. In #48, you can see the restrooms inside the green square and they are standing at about the blue square.
As we now know that this argument took place on Sand Island, shortly after the tall building task, it's safe to say it has nothing to do with anything that may or may not have happened on the finish mat.It must have been a long argument, I did some google map searching and made this pic: The red square is the 'turret' past the red box in #47 and they are standing at approx the yellow square. In #48, you can see the restrooms inside the green square and they are standing at about the blue square.
Interesting! The distance is over 1500 feet so she is yelling and then over five minutes later (if they are walking in a straight line without stopping) she throws the bag. Why are they walking out on the beach for a while? The clue must have told them to go to Sand Island.
@Alenaveda: Interesting idea! I'm beginning to wonder if Brenchel gets fairly lost and Art\JJ make the finish line mistake.
All very logical, but since I think I located the cluebox they are running to, it looks like they drove/taxi to the first parking lot at the park, got the clue, then continued across the park while arguing. I can't figure out why they'd go through the park though. Maybe the far end of the park is where they have to go for the Helo ride? Otherwise, it's be like a 3 mile walk to the JetSki place, which would be a heckofa walk.@Alenaveda: Interesting idea! I'm beginning to wonder if Brenchel gets fairly lost and Art\JJ make the finish line mistake.
As I said, is a crazy shot; but I saw Chateau d'If work with the time of the day of the leg, and Bcp19 map, and your commentary about the 1500 feets aguing :gaah:, and I thought "why?": why are they arguing? why are they there? why are they walking 1500 feets across the park? And how did they reached the park? Distance looks too short for a chopper or the jet ski ride - speaking of time (I've never been in the place, and perhaps someone who knows it could correct me about it, what it's fine) -. So maybe they had to travel by cab, and maybe Brendon said Sand Island Park instead of Sand Island Parkway. I found Aloha Jet Ski with the Google map, and it's placed in that street, in the same direction they are walking. I understand it's a weird hypotesis, but is just a hypotesis.
All very logical, but since I think I located the cluebox they are running to, it looks like they drove/taxi to the first parking lot at the park, got the clue, then continued across the park while arguing. I can't figure out why they'd go through the park though. Maybe the far end of the park is where they have to go for the Helo ride? Otherwise, it's be like a 3 mile walk to the JetSki place, which would be a heckofa walk.@Alenaveda: Interesting idea! I'm beginning to wonder if Brenchel gets fairly lost and Art\JJ make the finish line mistake.
As I said, is a crazy shot; but I saw Chateau d'If work with the time of the day of the leg, and Bcp19 map, and your commentary about the 1500 feets aguing :gaah:, and I thought "why?": why are they arguing? why are they there? why are they walking 1500 feets across the park? And how did they reached the park? Distance looks too short for a chopper or the jet ski ride - speaking of time (I've never been in the place, and perhaps someone who knows it could correct me about it, what it's fine) -. So maybe they had to travel by cab, and maybe Brendon said Sand Island Park instead of Sand Island Parkway. I found Aloha Jet Ski with the Google map, and it's placed in that street, in the same direction they are walking. I understand it's a weird hypotesis, but is just a hypotesis.
Notice that they do not have their back packs while going to the clue box but they do have back packs while the argument takes place later on. :duno:
That's why I said "someone who knows it could correct me about it"; and I haven't seen yet the promo pic you're talking about (at least at the moment I made my previous post); pic that you can maybe post and share it with us. :tup:If you look on Page 6, a couple posts past the vid cap, you see R/D in the upper left with D taking off gloves, R/B in the upper right, heading towards a clue box, A/J lower left on a dock and R/V lower right with a blacked out background. Using Googlemaps, I am about 99% sure I found the location where the cluebox B/R are running towards was, which is on the east side of the park that you later see them walking through and arguing in the vid. My $.02, they take a taxi/drive to the cluebox location, get out and run to it, run back and get their backpacks, head through park and argue. They are over 1/2 a mile from the cluebox where Rachel throws her bag at Brendon.
That's why I said "someone who knows it could correct me about it"; and I haven't seen yet the promo pic you're talking about (at least at the moment I made my previous post); pic that you can maybe post and share it with us. :tup:If you look on Page 6, a couple posts past the vid cap, you see R/D in the upper left with D taking off gloves, R/B in the upper right, heading towards a clue box, A/J lower left on a dock and R/V lower right with a blacked out background. Using Googlemaps, I am about 99% sure I found the location where the cluebox B/R are running towards was, which is on the east side of the park that you later see them walking through and arguing in the vid. My $.02, they take a taxi/drive to the cluebox location, get out and run to it, run back and get their backpacks, head through park and argue. They are over 1/2 a mile from the cluebox where Rachel throws her bag at Brendon.
I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.That's why I said "someone who knows it could correct me about it"; and I haven't seen yet the promo pic you're talking about (at least at the moment I made my previous post); pic that you can maybe post and share it with us. :tup:If you look on Page 6, a couple posts past the vid cap, you see R/D in the upper left with D taking off gloves, R/B in the upper right, heading towards a clue box, A/J lower left on a dock and R/V lower right with a blacked out background. Using Googlemaps, I am about 99% sure I found the location where the cluebox B/R are running towards was, which is on the east side of the park that you later see them walking through and arguing in the vid. My $.02, they take a taxi/drive to the cluebox location, get out and run to it, run back and get their backpacks, head through park and argue. They are over 1/2 a mile from the cluebox where Rachel throws her bag at Brendon.
First: ¡Ahhh, you mean that pic! I thought you were talking about a new one. My apologies.
Second: We agree about the taxi ride. :yess:. (no chopper no jetski)
Third: According to your spec, clue must especify that they must walk to the next task o route marker/info because it should be close to that place. If they found the clue box you skillfully located without problem - and I mean not wasting too much time - , and they are doing what the clue demands, the question is "what are they arguing about?" (or maybe is just another of Rachel's "drama queen moments"). )-**
I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.
I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.
I don't think Brenchel was on the towers for an hour. For one thing Chateau's shadow time was less than an hour from the time of Brendon's pic. The picture that is time stamped as an hour afterwards says the time was "modified" somehow.
Also I don't think the helo ride is from Sand Island because they still need to do the jetskis and the land surfing before they go to the finish line.
I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.
I don't think Brenchel was on the towers for an hour. For one thing Chateau's shadow time was less than an hour from the time of Brendon's pic. The picture that is time stamped as an hour afterwards says the time was "modified" somehow.
Also I don't think the helo ride is from Sand Island because they still need to do the jetskis and the land surfing before they go to the finish line.
I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.That's why I said "someone who knows it could correct me about it"; and I haven't seen yet the promo pic you're talking about (at least at the moment I made my previous post); pic that you can maybe post and share it with us. :tup:If you look on Page 6, a couple posts past the vid cap, you see R/D in the upper left with D taking off gloves, R/B in the upper right, heading towards a clue box, A/J lower left on a dock and R/V lower right with a blacked out background. Using Googlemaps, I am about 99% sure I found the location where the cluebox B/R are running towards was, which is on the east side of the park that you later see them walking through and arguing in the vid. My $.02, they take a taxi/drive to the cluebox location, get out and run to it, run back and get their backpacks, head through park and argue. They are over 1/2 a mile from the cluebox where Rachel throws her bag at Brendon.
First: ¡Ahhh, you mean that pic! I thought you were talking about a new one. My apologies.
Second: We agree about the taxi ride. :yess:. (no chopper no jetski)
Third: According to your spec, clue must especify that they must walk to the next task o route marker/info because it should be close to that place. If they found the clue box you skillfully located without problem - and I mean not wasting too much time - , and they are doing what the clue demands, the question is "what are they arguing about?" (or maybe is just another of Rachel's "drama queen moments"). )-**
I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.That's why I said "someone who knows it could correct me about it"; and I haven't seen yet the promo pic you're talking about (at least at the moment I made my previous post); pic that you can maybe post and share it with us. :tup:If you look on Page 6, a couple posts past the vid cap, you see R/D in the upper left with D taking off gloves, R/B in the upper right, heading towards a clue box, A/J lower left on a dock and R/V lower right with a blacked out background. Using Googlemaps, I am about 99% sure I found the location where the cluebox B/R are running towards was, which is on the east side of the park that you later see them walking through and arguing in the vid. My $.02, they take a taxi/drive to the cluebox location, get out and run to it, run back and get their backpacks, head through park and argue. They are over 1/2 a mile from the cluebox where Rachel throws her bag at Brendon.
First: ¡Ahhh, you mean that pic! I thought you were talking about a new one. My apologies.
Second: We agree about the taxi ride. :yess:. (no chopper no jetski)
Third: According to your spec, clue must especify that they must walk to the next task o route marker/info because it should be close to that place. If they found the clue box you skillfully located without problem - and I mean not wasting too much time - , and they are doing what the clue demands, the question is "what are they arguing about?" (or maybe is just another of Rachel's "drama queen moments"). )-**
There's a possible number 4 option: they got the clue at 1097 Sand Island Parkway clue box, and the clue could say something like "look for the jetskis (or the next task) on some especific location of Sand Island Park's beach" and maybe Brendon believed that it was close to the clue box's place, and that's why they released the taxi. According to your map, it's a straight direction walk to the portion of beach in front of the clue box location. When they found nothing there, maybe they asked somebody for help, they were told that is near the blue square point, what makes Rachel give us another of her drama queen moments because of the long walk, blaming Brendon for the mistake and - as you stated - the loss of time.
(Just another theory :duno:<)
So here is what we KNOW about the Hawaii leg.Is 1 absolutely known? I can see the 15 minute delay due to, say, customs/taxis between R/D and R/B arriving at the towers, but I thought I read in the live discussions a couple months back(don't see the all pictures I remember now) that the third team (A/J?) was over an hour after the first 2 at the tower(Memory may be faulty, but I thought at the time concensus was R/D were the 3rd team). Maybe 6/7 are Detour options(admittedly unlikely since they shy away from final leg detours)? The person in the water looked like a random person, not a teammate, maybe each person has to perform the detour, like the taxi driving course earlier in the race?
1. Teams arrive on the same flight
2. They proceed directly to One Waterfront Towers and perform the task (At this point Brenchel is about 15 minutes behind Davechel)
3. Teams then go to Sand Island and receive a clue that instructs them to do.... :duno:
4. Rachel gets mad and they start walking quite a ways up the beach while arguing
5. There is a task (probably a RB) involving papa holua
6. There is a task involving rescuing a surfer with a jetski
7. There is a task or transport involving paddleboards
8. There is a task or transport involving helicopters
What we DON'T KNOW:
1. Whether or not there is a second roadblock and whether or not that task is one of the tasks we know about or an unknown task
2. What the task is that Phil tells a team they haven't done
3. The full story of points 3-8 above
So here is what we KNOW about the Hawaii leg.
1. Teams arrive on the same flight
2. They proceed directly to One Waterfront Towers and perform the task (At this point Brenchel is about 15 minutes behind Davechel)
3. Teams then go to Sand Island and receive a clue that instructs them to do.... :duno:
4. Rachel gets mad and they start walking quite a ways up the beach while arguing
5. There is a task (probably a RB) involving papa holua
6. There is a task involving rescuing a surfer with a jetski
7. There is a task or transport involving paddleboards
8. There is a task or transport involving helicopters
What we DON'T KNOW:
1. Whether or not there is a second roadblock and whether or not that task is one of the tasks we know about or an unknown task
2. What the task is that Phil tells a team they haven't done
3. The full story of points 3-8 above
So here is what we KNOW about the Hawaii leg.Is 1 absolutely known? I can see the 15 minute delay due to, say, customs/taxis between R/D and R/B arriving at the towers, but I thought I read in the live discussions a couple months back(don't see the all pictures I remember now) that the third team (A/J?) was over an hour after the first 2 at the tower(Memory may be faulty, but I thought at the time concensus was R/D were the 3rd team). Maybe 6/7 are Detour options(admittedly unlikely since they shy away from final leg detours)? The person in the water looked like a random person, not a teammate, maybe each person has to perform the detour, like the taxi driving course earlier in the race?
1. Teams arrive on the same flight
2. They proceed directly to One Waterfront Towers and perform the task (At this point Brenchel is about 15 minutes behind Davechel)
3. Teams then go to Sand Island and receive a clue that instructs them to do.... :duno:
4. Rachel gets mad and they start walking quite a ways up the beach while arguing
5. There is a task (probably a RB) involving papa holua
6. There is a task involving rescuing a surfer with a jetski
7. There is a task or transport involving paddleboards
8. There is a task or transport involving helicopters
What we DON'T KNOW:
1. Whether or not there is a second roadblock and whether or not that task is one of the tasks we know about or an unknown task
2. What the task is that Phil tells a team they haven't done
3. The full story of points 3-8 above
Possible turnaround reasons: The papa holua run. You see Art falling off and then pounding the ground, maybe they were supposed to make a full run top to bottom, and one team simply got back on after falling and continued?
I don't remember a time in what I read, I remember mention of 2 teams virtually there at the same time, though there was mention that the 2nd team was on the roof for an hour, which appears to have later been refuted, and a mention of 1 team having been there much later(which I cannot now find). Pictures I remember at the time... 1) Brenchel of course, easy to identify, 2) Art and JJ, only M/M team left, and speculation whether D/R or V/R were there, with general concensus being D/R cause of a red? shirt. Since this appears to be the 1st task, and due to the timelines involved, IF the 3rd team was that far behind, you'd think they were on a separate flight.So here is what we KNOW about the Hawaii leg.Is 1 absolutely known? I can see the 15 minute delay due to, say, customs/taxis between R/D and R/B arriving at the towers, but I thought I read in the live discussions a couple months back(don't see the all pictures I remember now) that the third team (A/J?) was over an hour after the first 2 at the tower(Memory may be faulty, but I thought at the time concensus was R/D were the 3rd team). Maybe 6/7 are Detour options(admittedly unlikely since they shy away from final leg detours)? The person in the water looked like a random person, not a teammate, maybe each person has to perform the detour, like the taxi driving course earlier in the race?
1. Teams arrive on the same flight
2. They proceed directly to One Waterfront Towers and perform the task (At this point Brenchel is about 15 minutes behind Davechel)
3. Teams then go to Sand Island and receive a clue that instructs them to do.... :duno:
4. Rachel gets mad and they start walking quite a ways up the beach while arguing
5. There is a task (probably a RB) involving papa holua
6. There is a task involving rescuing a surfer with a jetski
7. There is a task or transport involving paddleboards
8. There is a task or transport involving helicopters
What we DON'T KNOW:
1. Whether or not there is a second roadblock and whether or not that task is one of the tasks we know about or an unknown task
2. What the task is that Phil tells a team they haven't done
3. The full story of points 3-8 above
Possible turnaround reasons: The papa holua run. You see Art falling off and then pounding the ground, maybe they were supposed to make a full run top to bottom, and one team simply got back on after falling and continued?
I don't remember any evidence of Art and JJ's time. The pictures of them doing the tower task do not have any time info.
I also still do not think that the roadblock taskmaster will hand the team a clue if they did not perform the task correctly. This means that the team has completely missed the RB. It probably also means that the location of that RB is near the finish line.
I've been watching since the first season and have always wondered if a team will ever mess up on the last leg and get turned back when they think they've won. And now it finally happens.
Phil Keoghan: [Laughs] I guess you kind of hope sometimes things like that will happen — not that I'm wishing for anything bad to happen to people. But of course it makes it interesting every time something new happens. ... It's weird because we've had it happen so many times on other legs, where a team has come in and not completed the course properly, and it's just never happened at the finish line ... It was a real surprise to all of us. It's not something we've sat around and talked about like, "Oh, can you imagine if we're on the final leg and a team comes in and doesn't complete the course?" We were all just like, "Did that just happen?"
Normally when a team runs in to the mat, it's done and dusted. If they see somebody on the mat, they know they're not first. If they see a clear mat, they think, "We just won The Amazing Race!" And certainly, this team came to the mat thinking they had just won The Amazing Race. Everything for them, running in — even the teams standing there didn't know — everybody's cheering, they've already cashed the check [in their minds], they jump and they're like, "What? We have to do what?" You see the shocked reactions from the other teams. That's absolutely genuine. They didn't foresee it either.
You hinted on Twitter that they didn't read the clue correctly. But I think a lot of people are wondering how they could get the next clue if they didn't complete the Roadblock. Or did they just stumble onto the next task without doing it?
Keoghan: We don't want to give it away because it's more complicated than [not reading the clue] — it's a lot of things. For this one team, they get told some news that they were not expecting to hear. Ultimately, everybody should read their clues. I think that and have your passport would be right up there. Know how to swim and drive stick. Those would be in the top five for sure.
After the fact, could you understand how they messed up? Do you think it had to do with fatigue? There are a lot of physical challenges on the leg.
Keoghan: There are some mental challenges, but I think this is the big challenge with The Amazing Race. You're going back and forth all the time between physical and mental challenges. You have to switch parts of your brain, if you like. That is, I think, tough for teams. When it's physical, they're moving and they feel like they're getting ahead. They feel like they're making progress and sometimes it's just better to stop physical motion altogether and just think. Just because you're going somewhere doesn't mean you're actually getting ahead. This team gets to the mat first, but they didn't do everything correctly.
Is there a memory challenge on the final leg?
Keoghan: Not a memory one, but there's a mental challenge. It's different this year. We're always trying to mix it up. But I think one of the best tasks is in the Japan leg with the Japanese game show they have to do [in which teams must grab dangling chickens while running on a conveyor belt].
Thanks and :bigwelcome to RFF!
Is the host the same one from the wasabi Roadblock in Season 15?
Keoghan: [Laughs] But now it's a different show! It's such a fun game. It's so ridiculously crazy and funny. When I shot my stand-up there, we had an outtake where I was explaining how the challenge worked and this person fell over and did the complete opposite of what the teams had to do. We just stood there with a dead chicken looking at this person and laughed. There's lots of that humor with the teams. I gave it a little shot too. I couldn't help myself. I did not [fall over], but I stumbled for sure.
Let's talk about the final four. I don't think there's been this much hostility between teams before and a lot of fans find them annoying and catty. Obviously a lot of people already hate Brendon and Rachel from Big Brother. But Art and JJ won't let the non-U-Turn go. People don't like how hard Dave is on Rachel and Vanessa keeps stirring things up.
Keoghan: Yeah, that's all very true, but you just never know what you're gonna get in any season. There's no denying that Big Brother certainly stirred things up and there is more bickering. I don't think that's a bad thing at all. I think you need the difference. Like Bopper and Mark — I don't think we've had a more popular team since the cowboys [Jet and Cord]. I would say Bopper and Mark, the cowboys, the Globetrotters [Flight Time and Big Easy], and Zev and Justin are the top four picks for sure. ... Out of them, I would venture to say that Bopper and Mark is the most popular team we've ever had. But sometimes a team like that doesn't end up as captivating if there isn't also some adversity. If everybody was like Bopper and Mark, the show would appear a bit flat. So I feel like this season we ended up with a spectacular cast. The fact is there are people who stir other people up in life. Not everybody is perfect and some people do get catty with each other.
Amazing Race's Nary and Jamie: Art and JJ are jerks
You don't mind that a lot of fans feel like they don't have a team to root for?
Keoghan: No. I think all the teams left deserve to be there regardless of how people feel about them. I'll tell you — my MVP this season has been Rachel of Dave and Rachel. I think she has been just an extraordinary racer. He's way too hard on her sometimes. I told him he needs to give her props. ... In terms of being even-keeled, keeping her wits about her, keeping her energy up, tackling any challenge, she is in my mind the top player. I've got to give props to all the teams there, including Brendon and Rachel. A lot of people want to shoot them down and want to discredit them. They say they're crying all the time, but the fact is, they've made this Race really interesting. Whatever people want to say about Brendon and Rachel in terms of their personalities, they've run this Race fairly, followed the rules and now they're in the final episode. You have to give them props. They've beaten a lot of strong teams and they're very consistent.
Were you surprised Vanessa accused them of cheating at the last Pit Stop? If they had cheated, you would've penalized them already.
Keoghan: I wasn't surprised. I encourage them to vent. Part of what I'm there to do is to facilitate a discussion, and I could tell that she had something on her chest, so I told her to vent. You've got to understand that if you're racing and you think that somebody hasn't done something properly and you don't have all the facts, it's gonna eat at you and you're gonna vent it eventually. In the end, they called a truce. On average, I would talk to each team for 10 minutes. On that day, it was 30 with the two of them. What was interesting to me, if you watch the extended Mat Chat online, was how the men dealt with it.
They were almost embarrassed by it.
Keoghan: Right. Poor Brendon and Ralph. They were like, "C'mon! Let's move on." But that's the difference between the way guys deal with conflict and the way women deal with conflict. Guys get it out and move on. I'm generalizing, but a lot of times, guys will scream at each other, but once it's out, it's gone. They don't go back on it. With women, they tend to hold on to things longer. They want to fully explore feelings, what it really means, what they think it means. There's a lot more discussion.
Well, JJ is still hung up on Dave and Rachel not U-Turning Brendon and Rachel.
Keoghan: Yeah! I think he's tapping into more female tendencies. A lot of times Art has been like, "Let it go." You've noticed Art is the more chill of the two. JJ has definitely gotten more highly strung. Art and JJ have gone through quite a character arc, or at least JJ has. He started out kind of relaxed, they gave Bopper and Mark the money, which was incredibly generous, and now he's a lot more riled up and intense. Every team that is there has shown both sides of the spectrum of emotions. We've got a lot of Type As — a lot of emotion, a lot of angst. You've gotta remember that everything that happens is heightened because of sleep deprivation, pressure and what they've gone through. Quite frankly, we need people that are really, really hungry to win. That energy comes out on the show and the audience picks up on it. Even if they dislike it or they dislike that person for whatever reason, we want passion. We want fight. We want people to really want to be there and to win, and all of these teams do.
How do you think fans will feel about the winners?
Keoghan: Well, they've all divided the fans so much. I think they'll all have fans who will be very happy and some who will not be happy at all. There's not one team that has solidified universal appeal. People who love Brendon and Rachel love Brendon and Rachel like I have never ever seen anyone love a team in my life. And those people who despise them despise them more than any team we've had. Same thing with Vanessa and Ralph, and all of them. But even if you don't like them, you have to respect all of them for their effort and what they've done.
Do you have any updates on Season 21?
Keoghan: We start filming in the summer. We're working rapidly to get everything in line. We're excited to be going out again. Some stuff is locked and some stuff is up in the air. Up until the day we leave, we're still finessing. ... There'll be some new places and we're finalizing the cast. We hit a homerun with the cast this season. I think as the show has gone on, we've gotten better teams because more and more people who are fans want to be on the show.
Will there be another Big Brother team?
Keoghan: [Laughs] I don't think you can do that every season, so we'll have some different types of people. Familiar faces? I dunno.
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Don't know if anyone has seen this. Probably already posted but I don't see it in this thread. Phil's interview about the final leg with tv guide.thanks for posting the link. Great race so far and hoping for a great finish in Hawaii.
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Amazing-Race-Finale-Phil-Keoghan-1046967.aspx
I don't remember a time in what I read, I remember mention of 2 teams virtually there at the same time, though there was mention that the 2nd team was on the roof for an hour, which appears to have later been refuted, and a mention of 1 team having been there much later(which I cannot now find). Pictures I remember at the time... 1) Brenchel of course, easy to identify, 2) Art and JJ, only M/M team left, and speculation whether D/R or V/R were there, with general concensus being D/R cause of a red? shirt. Since this appears to be the 1st task, and due to the timelines involved, IF the 3rd team was that far behind, you'd think they were on a separate flight.So here is what we KNOW about the Hawaii leg.Is 1 absolutely known? I can see the 15 minute delay due to, say, customs/taxis between R/D and R/B arriving at the towers, but I thought I read in the live discussions a couple months back(don't see the all pictures I remember now) that the third team (A/J?) was over an hour after the first 2 at the tower(Memory may be faulty, but I thought at the time concensus was R/D were the 3rd team). Maybe 6/7 are Detour options(admittedly unlikely since they shy away from final leg detours)? The person in the water looked like a random person, not a teammate, maybe each person has to perform the detour, like the taxi driving course earlier in the race?
1. Teams arrive on the same flight
2. They proceed directly to One Waterfront Towers and perform the task (At this point Brenchel is about 15 minutes behind Davechel)
3. Teams then go to Sand Island and receive a clue that instructs them to do.... :duno:
4. Rachel gets mad and they start walking quite a ways up the beach while arguing
5. There is a task (probably a RB) involving papa holua
6. There is a task involving rescuing a surfer with a jetski
7. There is a task or transport involving paddleboards
8. There is a task or transport involving helicopters
What we DON'T KNOW:
1. Whether or not there is a second roadblock and whether or not that task is one of the tasks we know about or an unknown task
2. What the task is that Phil tells a team they haven't done
3. The full story of points 3-8 above
Possible turnaround reasons: The papa holua run. You see Art falling off and then pounding the ground, maybe they were supposed to make a full run top to bottom, and one team simply got back on after falling and continued?
I don't remember any evidence of Art and JJ's time. The pictures of them doing the tower task do not have any time info.
I also still do not think that the roadblock taskmaster will hand the team a clue if they did not perform the task correctly. This means that the team has completely missed the RB. It probably also means that the location of that RB is near the finish line.
I admit you are correct, they should not receive a clue without having completed it, so that points more to a missed RB. Scenario: Teams receive a clue telling them "Travel by xxxx(taxi/car/bus/boat) to yyyy and search for your next clue". Team A arrives and notices a marked path and finds the clue box which directs them to do the RB. Team A then completes the roadblock and is given a clue telling them something like "Find the windmill to receive your next clue"(similar to detours when a U-Turn is just before the clue box). Team B arrives and starts searching(missing seeing the marked path), but happen to see team A making a mad dash away from the windmill, so they run over there and find a cluebox, never realizing they got the wrong one.
Ah, I completely missed the counterweights. I can see all 6 at the top in the promo and none at the top in the pics that have to be Art/JJ. Thanks for pointing me to that. Does make you wonder though, if they did win the Osaka leg as suspected, what caused them to be so far behind?
Ah, I completely missed the counterweights. I can see all 6 at the top in the promo and none at the top in the pics that have to be Art/JJ. Thanks for pointing me to that. Does make you wonder though, if they did win the Osaka leg as suspected, what caused them to be so far behind?Art & JJ arrived about 50 minutes behind Rachel & David.
Ah, I completely missed the counterweights. I can see all 6 at the top in the promo and none at the top in the pics that have to be Art/JJ. Thanks for pointing me to that. Does make you wonder though, if they did win the Osaka leg as suspected, what caused them to be so far behind?Art & JJ arrived about 50 minutes behind Rachel & David.
It could be bad luck in choosing a line at Customs and Immigration entering Honolulu and the United States. It could also be seating on the aircraft. Most likely it also involved a bad taxi experience from HNL airport to the prior task (if there was one).
We've had 9 pages already talking about the finale even though it hasn't aired...
We've had 9 pages already talking about the finale even though it hasn't aired...
Do we know if both team members perform the jetski task ?I believe Rachel B is the only person verified to be on a jetski at this time.
Do we know if both team members perform the jetski task ?I believe Rachel B is the only person verified to be on a jetski at this time.
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I'm really curious to see how they actually get to the finish line, the orientation of the finish mat and the eliminated racers makes it look like the racers will have to take a boat across the pond and then run through the trees to get to the finish.
If that were the case, then the team turned back would basically have a 0 chance of completing the RB and winning, as they would have to paddle their way back across the pond 2 more times.I'm really curious to see how they actually get to the finish line, the orientation of the finish mat and the eliminated racers makes it look like the racers will have to take a boat across the pond and then run through the trees to get to the finish.
(http://i.imgur.com/Dw5zQ.jpg)
:duno:
Is it possible to reach the finish line without going across the pond??
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It's a shaky theory...but WHAT IF the team is instructed to finish the RB, and when they get an okay from the judge, they are supposed to paddle board across the pond to the finish line. What if the team that is turned back has to go back and paddle board across the pond instead?Maybe this pic will help, the green square area is not a solid path, plus would require teams to run through some person's property to get to, The yellow box is the finish mat, the red area is the parking lot. The blue lines are possible paths across the pond, the brown lines possible paths through the trees and the little purple boxes are the waiting teams.
I don't know if this is possible at all, but it could be similar to what happens...Phil said its more complicated than just not doing a task. :duno:
It's a shaky theory...but WHAT IF the team is instructed to finish the RB, and when they get an okay from the judge, they are supposed to paddle board across the pond to the finish line. What if the team that is turned back has to go back and paddle board across the pond instead?Maybe this pic will help, the green square area is not a solid path, plus would require teams to run through some person's property to get to, The yellow box is the finish mat, the red area is the parking lot. The blue lines are possible paths across the pond, the brown lines possible paths through the trees and the little purple boxes are the waiting teams.
I don't know if this is possible at all, but it could be similar to what happens...Phil said its more complicated than just not doing a task. :duno:
yesIt's a shaky theory...but WHAT IF the team is instructed to finish the RB, and when they get an okay from the judge, they are supposed to paddle board across the pond to the finish line. What if the team that is turned back has to go back and paddle board across the pond instead?Maybe this pic will help, the green square area is not a solid path, plus would require teams to run through some person's property to get to, The yellow box is the finish mat, the red area is the parking lot. The blue lines are possible paths across the pond, the brown lines possible paths through the trees and the little purple boxes are the waiting teams.
I don't know if this is possible at all, but it could be similar to what happens...Phil said its more complicated than just not doing a task. :duno:
The red mark in the map is the parking place you previously mention?
yesIt's a shaky theory...but WHAT IF the team is instructed to finish the RB, and when they get an okay from the judge, they are supposed to paddle board across the pond to the finish line. What if the team that is turned back has to go back and paddle board across the pond instead?Maybe this pic will help, the green square area is not a solid path, plus would require teams to run through some person's property to get to, The yellow box is the finish mat, the red area is the parking lot. The blue lines are possible paths across the pond, the brown lines possible paths through the trees and the little purple boxes are the waiting teams.
I don't know if this is possible at all, but it could be similar to what happens...Phil said its more complicated than just not doing a task. :duno:
The red mark in the map is the parking place you previously mention?
yesIt's a shaky theory...but WHAT IF the team is instructed to finish the RB, and when they get an okay from the judge, they are supposed to paddle board across the pond to the finish line. What if the team that is turned back has to go back and paddle board across the pond instead?Maybe this pic will help, the green square area is not a solid path, plus would require teams to run through some person's property to get to, The yellow box is the finish mat, the red area is the parking lot. The blue lines are possible paths across the pond, the brown lines possible paths through the trees and the little purple boxes are the waiting teams.
I don't know if this is possible at all, but it could be similar to what happens...Phil said its more complicated than just not doing a task. :duno:
The red mark in the map is the parking place you previously mention?
You're right about the run from that place to the mat.
That leads me to another question: let's say Prophet hypotesis is right, how did the turned back team reach the PitStop the first time without crossing the pound? You said that the green square area is not a solid path (you're been doing a helluva job in the research in this leg, so I trust you about this point), what other choices are in this zone they could use to appear at the finish line?
yesIt's a shaky theory...but WHAT IF the team is instructed to finish the RB, and when they get an okay from the judge, they are supposed to paddle board across the pond to the finish line. What if the team that is turned back has to go back and paddle board across the pond instead?Maybe this pic will help, the green square area is not a solid path, plus would require teams to run through some person's property to get to, The yellow box is the finish mat, the red area is the parking lot. The blue lines are possible paths across the pond, the brown lines possible paths through the trees and the little purple boxes are the waiting teams.
I don't know if this is possible at all, but it could be similar to what happens...Phil said its more complicated than just not doing a task. :duno:
The red mark in the map is the parking place you previously mention?
You're right about the run from that place to the mat.
That leads me to another question: let's say Prophet hypotesis is right, how did the turned back team reach the PitStop the first time without crossing the pound? You said that the green square area is not a solid path (you're been doing a helluva job in the research in this leg, so I trust you about this point), what other choices are in this zone they could use to appear at the finish line?
All I can say at this point is :duno:
yesIt's a shaky theory...but WHAT IF the team is instructed to finish the RB, and when they get an okay from the judge, they are supposed to paddle board across the pond to the finish line. What if the team that is turned back has to go back and paddle board across the pond instead?Maybe this pic will help, the green square area is not a solid path, plus would require teams to run through some person's property to get to, The yellow box is the finish mat, the red area is the parking lot. The blue lines are possible paths across the pond, the brown lines possible paths through the trees and the little purple boxes are the waiting teams.
I don't know if this is possible at all, but it could be similar to what happens...Phil said its more complicated than just not doing a task. :duno:
The red mark in the map is the parking place you previously mention?
You're right about the run from that place to the mat.
That leads me to another question: let's say Prophet hypotesis is right, how did the turned back team reach the PitStop the first time without crossing the pound? You said that the green square area is not a solid path (you're been doing a helluva job in the research in this leg, so I trust you about this point), what other choices are in this zone they could use to appear at the finish line?
All I can say at this point is :duno:
:'(
I see! :lol3: True!We've had 9 pages already talking about the finale even though it hasn't aired...
Ha! Ever noticed how much is written about NFL draft picks who are months away from even reporting to training camp?
Nine pages about teams, actually competing, on the final lap, is nothing.
What if the RB mess-up is the same type of mess-up from TAR 2's Sydney RB? That the RB has to be completed a certain way and someone misreads the clue on how it's done, still gets the clue and has to re-do the task after checking in at the mat.
yesIt's a shaky theory...but WHAT IF the team is instructed to finish the RB, and when they get an okay from the judge, they are supposed to paddle board across the pond to the finish line. What if the team that is turned back has to go back and paddle board across the pond instead?Maybe this pic will help, the green square area is not a solid path, plus would require teams to run through some person's property to get to, The yellow box is the finish mat, the red area is the parking lot. The blue lines are possible paths across the pond, the brown lines possible paths through the trees and the little purple boxes are the waiting teams.
I don't know if this is possible at all, but it could be similar to what happens...Phil said its more complicated than just not doing a task. :duno:
The red mark in the map is the parking place you previously mention?
You're right about the run from that place to the mat.
That leads me to another question: let's say Prophet hypotesis is right, how did the turned back team reach the PitStop the first time without crossing the pound? You said that the green square area is not a solid path (you're been doing a helluva job in the research in this leg, so I trust you about this point), what other choices are in this zone they could use to appear at the finish line?
All I can say at this point is :duno:
:'(
Here you go....Murtz Jaffer just tweeted his prediction:
Murtz Jaffer @murtzjaffer
My #AmazingRace finale prediction is that Art and JJ win after Rachel and Dave don't complete the roadblock.
Here you go....Murtz Jaffer just tweeted his prediction:
Murtz Jaffer @murtzjaffer
My #AmazingRace finale prediction is that Art and JJ win after Rachel and Dave don't complete the roadblock.
I thought Aet and JJ cant win because of the Leg 3 curse?? :O
I thought Aet and JJ cant win because of the Leg 3 curse?? :O
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What if...all teams get turned away from the Finish Line? I mean, maybe they get a clue telling them to run to the Finish Line and they get a surprise final clue from Phil
We do now know that the scene of Rachel yelling at Brendon was due to a mistake that they did not recover from.
I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.That's why I said "someone who knows it could correct me about it"; and I haven't seen yet the promo pic you're talking about (at least at the moment I made my previous post); pic that you can maybe post and share it with us. :tup:If you look on Page 6, a couple posts past the vid cap, you see R/D in the upper left with D taking off gloves, R/B in the upper right, heading towards a clue box, A/J lower left on a dock and R/V lower right with a blacked out background. Using Googlemaps, I am about 99% sure I found the location where the cluebox B/R are running towards was, which is on the east side of the park that you later see them walking through and arguing in the vid. My $.02, they take a taxi/drive to the cluebox location, get out and run to it, run back and get their backpacks, head through park and argue. They are over 1/2 a mile from the cluebox where Rachel throws her bag at Brendon.
First: ¡Ahhh, you mean that pic! I thought you were talking about a new one. My apologies.
Second: We agree about the taxi ride. :yess:. (no chopper no jetski)
Third: According to your spec, clue must especify that they must walk to the next task o route marker/info because it should be close to that place. If they found the clue box you skillfully located without problem - and I mean not wasting too much time - , and they are doing what the clue demands, the question is "what are they arguing about?" (or maybe is just another of Rachel's "drama queen moments"). )-**
There's a possible number 4 option: they got the clue at 1097 Sand Island Parkway clue box, and the clue could say something like "look for the jetskis (or the next task) on some especific location of Sand Island Park's beach" and maybe Brendon believed that it was close to the clue box's place, and that's why they released the taxi. According to your map, it's a straight direction walk to the portion of beach in front of the clue box location. When they found nothing there, maybe they asked somebody for help, they were told that is near the blue square point, what makes Rachel give us another of her drama queen moments because of the long walk, blaming Brendon for the mistake and - as you stated - the loss of time.
(Just another theory :duno:<)
I totally missed on the 'lava sleds' though, they were close to the P/S and I was thinking it was the other side of the island.We do now know that the scene of Rachel yelling at Brendon was due to a mistake that they did not recover from.
We were close; remember?:
For a physical finale, it was pretty good.
I totally missed on the 'lava sleds' though, they were close to the P/S and I was thinking it was the other side of the island.We do now know that the scene of Rachel yelling at Brendon was due to a mistake that they did not recover from.
We were close; remember?:
For a physical finale, it was pretty good.
I liked how the final roadblock exemplified the season. It was a physically demanding task that also required skill. This seemed to be the kind of tasks they wanted to focus on this time. Which is good because they make for great viewing.
This was not a superbly designed finale but it was at least a step above the worst ones like 15 and 19. There were plenty of position changes!
And where was the mental challenge for this leg? :duno:It was figuring out where the Twin Towers were. They were given the concept "twin" and the words Mauka and Makai and had to solve the puzzle with local help.
OMG! Art & JJ were soooooooooooo close of winning this race! If it was a mental TAR challenge, they could have easily won the final leg due to Rachel/Dave's mistake!