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Oh, The Places You'll GO!!
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Examining where our first destination airport may be... (Quick summary at bottom of post!)
We know teams were on AA 276, LAX-MIA (26/11 2255-0640). Connecting through Miami suggests Latin America, so we'll start our investigation there. I believe Central American countries have better direct routes from LAX, so I'll be leaving them aside for now.
Let's start with Sao Paulo, the biggest airport in South America. There's one flight leaving Miami at 9.00am, but it's a TAM/United/Continental codeshare, which makes it an unlikely connection for our teams just getting of an AA flight, on a competing airline alliance. The next flight down to Brazil isn't until 6.15pm, so I'd doubt our first destination is in Brazil.
Miami has flights to Santiago, but the first flight that teams can catch leaves at 8.20pm, 13 hours after they arrive. Doesn't sound like a very feasible itinerary for TPTB to arrange.
Next up, Lima. The first available flight leaves Miami at 3.15pm, which is pretty late. However, it's a TACA flight, which is on an opposite alliance from AA. The next flight out is an American Airlines route, but it leaves Miami at 6.30pm, arriving at 10.05pm. Compare that to the direct LAX-LIM flight, which leaves two hours before the LAX-MIA flight but arrives at 7.45am, making a whopping 14 hour difference between lead teams and trailing teams. Not too possible then?
There's an AA flight from Miami to Caracas, but I don't see any other good ways to get to Caracas from Los Angeles that arrive at a similar time. The route to the Guyanas is so complex if you try to go through Miami that I don't think TPTB would bother.
The two flights from Miami to Quito arrive at 6.10pm and 7.05pm. No other alternative routes into Quito. It's still a possibility, but all teams would have to be on the same flight from Los Angeles to Miami, making it kind of anti-climatic. The start would probably have been Miami instead.
The only flight from Miami to La Paz leaves too early for our teams to catch, and the connections through Lima don't make sense at our timings either. Other airports in Bolivia are even harder to get to.
There are flights from LAX via Miami to Bogota, with teams switching from AA to LAN, both Oneworld members. Other possible flights from LAX include connections in Mexico City, San Jose, and New York. Colombia is not ruled out by this investigation, although I'm not too sure TPTB would hold a leg there. Asuncion and Montevideo are possibilities, but they require connections through Sao Paulo or Buenos Aires. This adds a whole new level of complexity that I'm not ready to handle just yet.
Which leaves Argentina. There are three combinations, all which arrive in Buenos Aires within three hours of each other and all connections of which are on the same airline: LAN via Lima, arriving 7.05pm, Aeromexico via Mexico City, arriving 8.50pm, and AA via Miami, arriving 9.50pm. Of course, this jives with a possible Salta sighting.
Unlikely: Brazil, Chile, Bolivia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, the Guyanas
Possible: Colombia, Paraguay, Uruguay
Looking good: Argentina
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Neobie, we have confirmation of at least some teams flying Miami to Buenos Aries...
were flying from MIA to Buenos Aires. they ran right down the plane being filmed. Can't upload photos on my device, sorry!
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I can't remember which early season(s) off-hand, but the show has confirmed using Miami as a connecting flight for the first leg in the past. (Amazing Yellow Line, y'all) I think it was TAR 5, but I'd have to pull out the episode and check.
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theschnauzers,
I have most of the information you are looking for. The Amazing Lines for AR5, ep. 1 show 2 flights LAX MIA and another 2 MIA MVD (although I suspect that one of them was really connecting in EZE). There do not appear to be any other connecting points.
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(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5255/dddque.jpg)
CREDIT TO MAXEN
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I can't remember which early season(s) off-hand, but the show has confirmed using Miami as a connecting flight for the first leg in the past. (Amazing Yellow Line, y'all) I think it was TAR 5, but I'd have to pull out the episode and check.
I thought it would be worthwhile to check out other Amazing Races where Miami was likely a key connecting point. As you know, the information on screen is not always completely reliable so we don't know for sure using that. A better approach is to look at the most likely connection points to get from a start city to an "end of first episode" city. I had to eliminate AR3 and AR11 because they started in the Miami metro area and therefore could not connect there. I discovered that none of the rest which could have gone through MIA in their first episode are likely to have done so:
AR2 (LAS GIG) - Toronto was most likely
AR7 (LAX LIM) - IAH/SAL most likely
AR9 (DEN GRU) - LAX or Toronto or IAH/SAL most likely
AR16 (LAX SCL) - SAL/LIM or Toronto most likely
I decided to put this to a reality test against the purported routes shown in the telecasts. It did not match up well. Here are the outcomes:
AR2 - two AA flights were the departures, probably both through DFW or both through MIA
AR7 - AA through MIA and UA through JFK
AR9 - this was the most complex, as there were 3 flights to start UA398 at 1325, CO498 at 1420 and AA932 to DFW at 1531. I have to research these past flights if possible to see where they went.
AR16 - early teams were originally on a AA flight through DFW but it was delayed so all teams ended up on an AA flight to MIA.
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apskip, back in those early seasons, the editors weren't as unwilling to include images that could be vidcapped to get connecting flight information and I agree TAR 5 was one of the times the Race used Miami as a connecting city. In the back of my mind I think there was one other instance, I believe it may have been TAR 3 when some teams connected to London after Mexico via Miami and others took non-stop flights without needing to connect in Miami. But I think there was one other later Race (after TAR 5) when some teams connected to South America through Miami (but not all of the teams.)
Unfortunately the best primary source for posts that found that information in those early seasons would have been TWoP (because that was where a lot of the early work was done before RFF came along), and in that era, the threads would be purged every so often due to server space issues. I'm not sure what other original sources for that type of episodic timeline reconstruction still exist; but some of this is due to the cumulative effect of airline schedule changes and mergers over the past ten years.
The reasons why I even remember this is that a filming permit was found online for a records search for WRP at Miami International Airport, and there was some suspicion that the Race start would be in South Florida; but it turned out to be filming of planes taking off at MIA to document a connecting flight out of MIA. (This was back in the day when the search engines weren't so overloaded that you could generate a gem like that without too much trouble.)
I'm not sure those early seasons ever used Toronto as a connection point for flights to the first country; I don't recall ever hearing of such flights, and IIRC, it was possible to sort out flight schedules pre-TARAS pretty accurately, since the show would always give us a flight number for those first flights.
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Torino :cmas20 :cmas20
Here a video In English
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBiL2VLPmFo
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Lovely! Thanks!
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Thanks to my friend in Baidu Forum,got some photos of teams checking in Italy!
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/italy1_.jpg)
checking time:10 PM
probably last team checking in,after this team arrive ,crew left.
Look at statues background. In Palazzo Madama, Turin
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Torino-palazzomadama01.jpg/800px-Torino-palazzomadama01.jpg)
(http://images.travelpod.com/users/travelocity11/1.1212257700.dfdfsd.jpg)
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Thanks to caper and Slowhatch, we now know the START LINE for TAR 20: Bridlewood Estate Winery.
You can see a video of the Winery with some lovely views here:
http://www.bridlewoodwinery.com/Our-Estate/Videos.asp
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Of interest...Google Maps gives a 127 mile, 2 hour 27 min drive to LAX. Is this the longest start line drive we have ever had??
And hmmmm. BIKES? All I can imagine are sidecars....
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omg that is beautiful.
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Also means the teams had to drive through the mountains to get to LAX, right? Which could make an interesting filming montage either for Phil's opening stand-up or the teams racing to LAX.
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It's a very interesting start line. It's a beautiful country.
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Of interest...Google Maps gives a 127 mile, 2 hour 27 min drive to LAX. Is this the longest start line drive we have ever had??
Well, it's only 13 miles longer than the Start Line of TAR18 in the wind farm. :reindeer
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Also means the teams had to drive through the mountains to get to LAX, right? Which could make an interesting filming montage either for Phil's opening stand-up or the teams racing to LAX.
No, I live in LA and drive to Santa Barbara often. Most of the drive is along the coast (near Santa Barbara) which is definitely beautiful, but you don't drive through the mountains.
On a weekend afternoon with no traffic, you could easily get from Santa Barbara to LAX in an hour and a half, especially when you're in a hurry. When you drive through Oxnard and Camarillo, the roads are flat and straight and everyone's driving 80-90mph. I don't know if the race has rules about speed limits or not.
But like someone mentioned above, this is almost the same type of drive as the one between palm springs and LA, at least in terms of time in the car. It wouldn't surprise me if this trend continues and next season the race starts in the san diego/la jolla/torrey pines/carlsbad area. Many beautiful locations that are relatively close to LAX that haven't been used yet (to my knowledge)
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Most of the drive is along the coast (near Santa Barbara) which is definitely beautiful, but you don't drive through the mountains.
You could save some time (unless production steers traffic to Hwy 101); San Marcos Pass road (http://sbc-rides.goption.com/StreetRides/hwy154/hyw154_main.html) is shorter, a bit faster, more hilly and scenic but possibly not as safe.
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Most of the drive is along the coast (near Santa Barbara) which is definitely beautiful, but you don't drive through the mountains.
You could save some time (unless production steers traffic to Hwy 101); San Marcos Pass road (http://sbc-rides.goption.com/StreetRides/hwy154/hyw154_main.html) is shorter, a bit faster, more hilly and scenic but possibly not as safe.
I've driven to Santa Barbara and back over 20 times in the last few years, and I have no idea what road that is...everyone takes the 101, especially cause the signage makes it very clear that if you want to leave Santa Barbara, you get on the 101S.
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Below is a map of the area surrounding the winery. The placemark is the address of Bridlewood while the red roads are the ones that the permit allows bikes and vehicles to film on. It seems like a strangely long and out of the way stretch of road to request, but the road names are sketchy and unclear around that area, so I may be wrong with my markings.
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb40/domel9/Untitled-2-1.png)
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The only other thing I can think of is that the cameraguys may be using some sort of motorcycle to film with...as in riding backwards to shoot whatever the contestants are in.
I don't think we can assume yet that the racers are on bikes (motor or otherwise) but I still like the sidecar idea. :lol:
Thanks for the great Map Dom!!
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Peach,
A Bangkok spotting yesterday would guarantee that a team could not get back to the U.S. before today. That would be a 23 day race, which would be at the high end of races I remember since I joined RFF 6 years ago. for multiple reasons, I consider it unlikely but not absolutely impossible.
If a team were in Bangkok, the best route back to either San Francisco or Los Angeles is via Narita airport. Connecting in either Seoul or Hong Kong have longer total route times and the plane that can do a commercial route from Bangkok nonstop to the U.S. West Coast does not appear to exist now.
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Peach,
A Bangkok spotting yesterday would guarantee that a team could not get back to the U.S. before today. That would be a 23 day race, which would be at the high end of races I remember since I joined RFF 6 years ago. for multiple reasons, I consider it unlikely but not absolutely impossible.
If a team were in Bangkok, the best route back to either San Francisco or Los Angeles is via Narita airport. Connecting in either Seoul or Hong Kong have longer total route times and the plane that can do a commercial route from Bangkok nonstop to the U.S. West Coast does not appear to exist now.
It's not impossible for filming to still be ongoing today, but it would be odd, or there was something unusual during filming (such as a really out-of-the-way filming location) for filming to go much beyond today.
I noticed the tweet in the live spoilers thread about Honolulu, and it is conceivable that TPTB opted for a Hawaii finish, which they have done in the past (TAR 14, right?)
I wonder if the non-cluebox behavior of season 19 was continued into season 20. It does make it more difficult to spot teams. IIRC, the one live spoiler of teams and Phil earlier in this Race did not have the country sign at the mat, again, right? If so, it seems to me they've decided to hide the filming as best they can by not having things out where signs and clue boxes can be seen when teams are not in the vicinity (more than just covering up clueboxes, but using other containers that blend in).
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This is the location thread please... not the B-R thread. :)
Moving comments to contestants.
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Sorry... it all started when I posted about no one spotting Brenchel in a "location."
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Take it here please:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26538.0.html
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Speaking about Bridlewood Winery for starting line, can we assume that somewhat related to the first destination (just like previous season Hsi Lai Temple-->Taiwan).. Maybe some Haciendas or other wineries in South America regions??
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Speaking about Bridlewood Winery for starting line, can we assume that somewhat related to the first destination (just like previous season Hsi Lai Temple-->Taiwan).. Maybe some Haciendas or other wineries in South America regions??
Never had related this two things. Good job Zouly
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hey guys my name is brendan i love tar i can help u guys with anything like geography and location research i am a geography nerd and i could help you all with research such as flights locations and how long it takes to get to and from suspectedd challenge locations. Can help with things i should research for u
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:bigwelcome to RFF bwils927! Or brendan. Haha.
Thanks for the help, Welcome!
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http://www.youtube.com/v/ttl1o10duUk?version=3&hl
It is not where you go? ??? Since when?? :lol:
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have we confirmed bridlewood winery? the directions have 3 routes between 2h26m and 2h47m
this seemms lengthy for a starting line to an airport
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have we confirmed bridlewood winery? the directions have 3 routes between 2h26m and 2h47m
this seemms lengthy for a starting line to an airport
:wel2 bwils927!
Yes mate! we even have the receipt on filming permitt... :)
maybe we can try for some Argentinian land for the first destination, so far Salta has been the strongest possibility (as they have wineries too, related with the starting line) :tup:
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not available in your geographical region... :crazy:
here's the 33 secs version for people around the world...
http://www.youtube.com/v/3LVEhDHrwgg&feature=related
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not available in your geographical region... :crazy:
here's the 33 secs version for people around the world...
http://www.youtube.com/v/3LVEhDHrwgg&feature=related
Thank you Zouly!! I wonder how pleased WRP will be to hear CBS basically say 'it doesn't really matter WHERE they go'..
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I think at 4 seconds that's TAR20's start line!! :hearts: The one where the racers are in front of the pond...it matches with one of the ones at Bridlewood Winery too!
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I think at 4 seconds that's TAR20's start line!! :hearts: The one where the racers are in front of the pond...it matches with one of the ones at Bridlewood Winery too!
Wow! What a fantastic spot ovalorange! Compare the freezeframe at 3 seconds with this satellite view (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bridlewood+Winery,+Roblar+Avenue,+Santa+Ynez,+CA,+United+States&hl=en&ll=34.653569,-120.081862&spn=0.001251,0.002642&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=39.371738,86.572266&oq=bridlewood+winery&vpsrc=6&hq=Bridlewood+Winery,+Roblar+Avenue,+Santa+Ynez,+CA,+United+States&radius=15000&t=h&z=19)
Spot on!
Now lets see if any HD version can help identify our racers.. At least now we know there's 11 again!
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good eye ovalorange :hearts: I think at 9 second, when Phil saying ''GO!'' it's is from tar20 starting line too :lol:
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I think at 4 seconds that's TAR20's start line!! :hearts: The one where the racers are in front of the pond...it matches with one of the ones at Bridlewood Winery too!
OMGosh it looks like it!!! :hearts:
Take a closer look on the winery and red&yellow air ballons...!!!!!
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ETA: moving this over to the Locations/Destinations Thread (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26412.25.html)
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I think at 4 seconds that's TAR20's start line!! :hearts: The one where the racers are in front of the pond...it matches with one of the ones at Bridlewood Winery too!
OMGosh it looks like it!!! :hearts:
Take a closer look on the winery and red&yellow air ballons...!!!!!
:wohoo:
(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/RFF%20Stuff/snap.jpg)
(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/RFF%20Stuff/snap2.jpg)
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(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/RFF%20Stuff/snap4.jpg)
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Satellite view
(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/RFF%20Stuff/snap8.jpg)
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good eye ovalorange :hearts: I think at 9 second, when Phil saying ''GO!'' it's is from tar20 starting line too :lol:
Match the 3 (Three) things behind Phil!!!
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from my research the biggest city in the wine region is mendoza, which was visited in season7 has anyone had any sitings there
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Satellite view
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Zouly, I think yours is not correct ???
I think this are the right places :
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oh, right! yours one is correct Laimis, I've updated the above photograph :tup:
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Amazing! I loved the Go! Go! GGGGGGGo! part! :lol:
I'm really really really really excited. :hearts: :hearts:
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Great SPOT ovalorange!! Good job zapp on the satellite views and Zouly and Laimis on the locations!!
Here are all the relevant caps from our first promo!!:
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First promo:
http://www.youtube.com/v/8R5WD_Afa18?version=3&hl
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On this page : http://uk.eonline.com/news/watch_with_kristin/amazing_race_announces_season_20_cast/289019#ixzz1kTn8KJSu (http://uk.eonline.com/news/watch_with_kristin/amazing_race_announces_season_20_cast/289019#ixzz1kTn8KJSu)
They are saying that they will visit Azerbaijan, Tanzania for this season!!!! :hearts:
Make that a couple of clowns—two self-proclaimed "ambassadors of laughter" are among the globe-trotters whose stops will include Paraguay, Azerbaijan and Tanzania. In all the racers will visit five continents, 22 cities and nearly 40,000 miles.
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CBS announced today the 11 teams that will embark on a global adventure for the new season of THE AMAZING RACE, premiering Sunday, Feb. 19 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Emmy Award nominee Phil Keoghan is the host.
THE AMAZING RACE has won the Emmy award for “Outstanding Reality-Competition Program” eight times in the past nine years.
This season, which marks the 20th sprint around the globe for the series, will make first time visits to Paraguay, Azerbaijan and other exotic locations. Along the way, Teams will travel through five continents, 22 cities and nearly 40,000 miles.
This season’s Racers will endure one of the most competitive courses ever, as they find themselves skydiving in Argentina, training with the Masai warriors in Tanzania, racing through Africa’s “Garden of Eden,” putting their taste buds to the test with one of Italy’s most popular cuisines and searching for King Ludwig’s quarters in the German castle that served as the inspiration for the castle in “Sleeping Beauty.”
This season’s cast includes a pair of border patrol agents, twins, dating divorcees, last year’s winner of BIG BROTHER, Rachel Reilly, and her fiancé and fellow Houseguest, Brendon Villegas.
(Africa's garden of Eden is probably Ngorongoro Crater in Tanzania)
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Oh my gosh I am going to cry!! OUR LOST TANZANIAN LEG!!!!
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AZERBAIJAN!!!!!
Finally we will see the Caucasus :conf: :conf: :conf: :conf: :hrt: :hrt: :hearts:
http://ca.eonline.com/news/watch_with_kristin/amazing_race_announces_season_20_cast/289019
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Garden of Eden? - Gabon!!!?
Neuschwanstein Castle - for the inspiration? This was the pitstop in TAR3
The Garden of Eden might also be a reference to the Ngorongoro Crater in Tanzania <333
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I am gonna go insane if they are going to Azerbaijan and they are still going to make me wait for my Armenia... :gaah:
But the rest seems great!!! :hearts:
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I agree with Prophet that the Garden of Eden reference is probably in Tanzania's Ngorgoro Crater with its profusion of fauna. However, there is an alternate view:
Some people believe that the biblical Garden of Eden (as opposed to the allegorical one) was somewhere in Northeast Africa. Evidence given in support of this includes the fact that the oldest human remains have been found in Africa, and that the Gihon is usually thought to be a name for the Nile. They nominate Sudan as the country where it was.
I totally missed it, but "Survivor" took place in Gabon for its 2008 Season. At that time and even years earlier, CBS tagged that country as "the Garden of Eden."
So pay your money and take your choice for "The Garden of Eden." The most logical choice is Ngorogoro Crater because teams are definitely going to Tanzania.
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I agree with Prophet that the Garden of Eden reference is probably in Tanzania's Ngorgoro Crater with its profusion of fauna. However, there is an alternate view:
Oh my gosh i am not porphet. :barf :barf
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CBS announced today the 11 teams that will embark on a global adventure for the new season of THE AMAZING RACE, premiering Sunday, Feb. 19 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Emmy Award nominee Phil Keoghan is the host.
THE AMAZING RACE has won the Emmy award for “Outstanding Reality-Competition Program” eight times in the past nine years.
This season, which marks the 20th sprint around the globe for the series, will make first time visits to Paraguay, Azerbaijan and other exotic locations. Along the way, Teams will travel through five continents, 22 cities and nearly 40,000 miles.
This season’s Racers will endure one of the most competitive courses ever, as they find themselves skydiving in Argentina, training with the Masai warriors in Tanzania, racing through Africa’s “Garden of Eden,” putting their taste buds to the test with one of Italy’s most popular cuisines and searching for King Ludwig’s quarters in the German castle that served as the inspiration for the castle in “Sleeping Beauty.”
This season’s cast includes a pair of border patrol agents, twins, dating divorcees, last year’s winner of BIG BROTHER, Rachel Reilly, and her fiancé and fellow Houseguest, Brendon Villegas.
(Africa's garden of Eden is probably Ngorongoro Crater in Tanzania)
guys do remeember season 3 think bac that casttle there talk about is the pit stop form season 3
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I agree with Prophet that the Garden of Eden reference is probably in Tanzania's Ngorgoro Crater with its profusion of fauna. However, there is an alternate view:
Oh my gosh i am not porphet. :barf :barf
@Cocoa it was actually Prophet who first suggested it.
:lol: I know. :lol:
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:lol: :lol:
apskip <3
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Enough.
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For the record, IIRC, Survivor referred to Gabon as "The Last Eden," not the "Garden of Eden;" so I think they're not referring to Gabon.
And it would not surprise me at all if they're recycling the unused locations from TAR:AS in Tanzania.
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21-22seconds into the video, the pole vaulting challenge looks indentical to the one in The Amazing Race Season 12, the location is indentical too, a muddy like bog/river thing.
I remember it being memorable as the two elder guys in Season 12 did the challenge quite memorably.
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:welcome: to RFF PurpleBlue!!
That IS the challenge from Season 12, they only gave us a few screenshots of the start line in this vid. But wonderful to see all of our old friends!
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Tanzania! And Training with the Masai! Sounds just like Season 11 all stars!
Better watch for some Airport Drama like Team Guido and Eric and Danielle had -- falling a day behind! :lol3:
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I just randomly wasting my time on looking at many photographs occurred between 5 DES - 19 DES 2011 in Azerbaijan, Tanzania and Gabon... just hoping that could accidentally found one or two sightings.. :lol:
having said that,
I saw about 10-15 photos that happen to be the rat and the trainer thingy in Tanzania, like a previous season's task (forgot exactly, i think S16? :duno: )
and having a "window-tour" of how wonderful is the "garden of eden" was... and it is incredibly beautiful...lots of animals (maybe photo-taking detour task or something), the view... it's just more than HD Quality...
and speaking about Masai warriors... I suddenly remember the Masai Couple in the TAR- China Rush Season 1, and the book that Peach have shared to us a while ago about Masai Cross Country Foundation....
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Zouly,
I think you may have mixed up the location (which was neither Tanzania nor AR16. The rat task to find mines was from AR11 All-Stars in the hinterlands of Mozambique.
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I cannot wait, it makes my Sundays that much more interesting as I am working as the show airs, so I have it on but the tv is on the other wall. I just hope the teams live up to the hype. :conf:
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:bigwelcome to RFF, bobnlori! We also have a viewing party here on RFF every week! :hearts:
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I think if it was Gabon, the articles we've been seeing would've mentioned it as a new country alongside Azerbaijan and Paraguay.
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Found this on wikipedia, don't know if it is true though since anyone can edit things on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_20
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Found this on wikipedia, don't know if it is true though since anyone can edit things on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_20
It looks like an unfinished work... or maybe someone messes it up...
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Found this on wikipedia, don't know if it is true though since anyone can edit things on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_20
Not true in the slightest. Someone's just having some 'fun'.
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Found this on wikipedia, don't know if it is true though since anyone can edit things on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_20
Not true in the slightest. Someone's just having some 'fun'.
That's what I thought too.
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We know exactly where the first legs were, and it was not Colombia. It goes downhill from there.
The Amazing Race teams have started their first leg in Colombia which is one of the countries visited for the first time.Also visited for the first time are Burma, Yemen, Andorra, and Suriname. Also visited this season are Australia, Cambodia, Macau, U.A.E, Tanzania, Belgium, The Netherlands, Norway, and Argentina. That means for the first time ever in Amazing Race history, no countries have 2 legs to visit, in other words, each country gets visited one leg, and the next leg, teams go to another country
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We know exactly where the first legs were, and it was not Colombia. It goes downhill from there.
The Amazing Race teams have started their first leg in Colombia which is one of the countries visited for the first time.Also visited for the first time are Burma, Yemen, Andorra, and Suriname. Also visited this season are Australia, Cambodia, Macau, U.A.E, Tanzania, Belgium, The Netherlands, Norway, and Argentina. That means for the first time ever in Amazing Race history, no countries have 2 legs to visit, in other words, each country gets visited one leg, and the next leg, teams go to another country
So this is not true at all? Italy is not mentioned either.
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of course not.
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We know exactly where the first legs were, and it was not Colombia. It goes downhill from there.
The Amazing Race teams have started their first leg in Colombia which is one of the countries visited for the first time.Also visited for the first time are Burma, Yemen, Andorra, and Suriname. Also visited this season are Australia, Cambodia, Macau, U.A.E, Tanzania, Belgium, The Netherlands, Norway, and Argentina. That means for the first time ever in Amazing Race history, no countries have 2 legs to visit, in other words, each country gets visited one leg, and the next leg, teams go to another country
If those are confirm routes, then the sightings on Sydney the other day before Japan and Qatar and probably one of the source mistakenly type Cambodia with Mongolia..!! :duno:
Just my 2 cents.. :lol:
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Those are in NO way confirmed routes, and the sightings in Sydney were for another TAR franchise.
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Wait, but now they already changed it to Germany, Italy, Paraguay, Azerbaijan and Argentina :duno: :duno:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_20
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I am the captain obvious :-[
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Not sure how much info this gives, but I found this:
http://www.news.az/articles/53818/print
It talks about the Baku leg! It might actually say which teams were in Baku, but it might just be saying who was in the race from the start.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb89-UuynrY
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Not sure how much info this gives, but I found this:
http://www.news.az/articles/53818/print
It talks about the Baku leg! It might actually say which teams were in Baku, but it might just be saying who was in the race from the start.
If that article is right, Baku is Episode 6. Given we know we've got three in South America, two in Europe, and one in Africa before then (Salta/BA/Asuncion, Neuschwanstein/Torino, Ngorongoro), it looks like we're getting a double episode somewhere.
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http://www.news.az/articles/culture/53818
Here is a better link to the article. Looks more official. :lol:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb89-UuynrY
Good catch! However, I think that was from Docol, our agent in Asuncion, so we were already aware of it. I believe it was some of the production team leaving to get an early jump on the next leg.
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Y'all are ahead of me!
Whole article:
News.Az
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World famous reality show shot in Baku
Wed 01 February 2012 | 07:26 GMT
The Amazing Race reality show has been shot at the streets of the capital city of Azerbaijan.
Unusual things took place in the Azerbaijani capital city in December 2011-the capital city residents were looking with surprise at odd foreigners who were rushing somewhere as if someone is running after them.
The racing was in fact unusual. The clarity to the issue was brought by the news service of CineX film company which said that at that very period the world famous reality show The Amazing Race was shot under support of the Ministry of Culture and Tourism in Baku, while the foreigners were not simple tourists but participants of this television show. Among participants there were twin brothers, 2 clowns and even 2 intelligence agents.
The Amazing race is one of the best, complex and large scale television reality shows. It is also recognized as the most interesting and impressive. The fact is proven by awarding Emmy premium in the nomination ‘Best reality-show’ to the project. The show shot in Baku can be nominated for Emmy next time.
The unusual show involves 11 teams of two people linked to each other with different kinship, friendly or professional ties (brothers, sisters, spouses, friends and so on) have been travelling in different cities of the world within 22 days, overcoming all obstacles in a hope to get to the final and win a million of dollars.
According to the news service for CineX, the details of the reality show are not made public and by conditions of the project the information about it is still strictly confidential. As is known, the reason will start on CBS channel on 19 February and the series in Baku will be broadcast on 25 March.
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Baku has been confirmed as airing March 25 from another source as well, so believe this info to be accurate.
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Baku has been confirmed as airing March 25 from another source as well, so believe this info to be accurate.
That would indeed put it as being Leg 6, unless I've been living under a rock and the first episode is two legs.
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Baku has been confirmed as airing March 25 from another source as well, so believe this info to be accurate.
That would indeed put it as being Leg 6, unless I've been living under a rock and the first episode is two legs.
So 7 and 8 would be Tanzania...?
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No proof of that .... but makes sense?
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Baku has been confirmed as airing March 25 from another source as well, so believe this info to be accurate.
That would indeed put it as being Leg 6, unless I've been living under a rock and the first episode is two legs.
So 7 and 8 would be Tanzania...?
and then leg 9 is an unknown country before heading towards to Japan and Hawaii for legs 10-12? Then its 8 countries in total, and which country is the 7th one? Let's make a guess, I hope it's gonna be on my country, the Philippines. :umn:
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It was speculated to be Laos :lol: THIS is unproven though.
Well,it can be Laos,Cambodia,Qatar,China,Mongolia... :duno: :duno: :duno:
Right?
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It was speculated to be Laos :lol: THIS is unproven though.
Well,it can be Laos,Cambodia,Qatar,China,Mongolia... :duno: :duno: :duno:
Right?
All the other versions of TAR have been in Australia lately, so I'll throw that out for speculation. :spitcoffee:
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It was speculated to be Laos :lol: THIS is unproven though.
Well,it can be Laos,Cambodia,Qatar,China,Mongolia... :duno: :duno: :duno:
Right?
Anything can be spec'd. :res:
Laos, however, is out there because that was the unused leg in TAR 19 and it is possible it was re-used.
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Okay, all good!
But let's try to get back to leave this thread for real spoilers and keep spec over there? Thanks everyone!
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From Phil: teams soak in OIL in Azerbaijan
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/02/16/phil-keoghan-spills-secrets-behind-season-20-of-the-amazing-race/
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Phil gives an interview here:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6750647
according to the above source,
this is what I've got from getting soaked in oil, in Azerbaijan,
There's an 'Oil Therapy Clinic'
http://www.thenational.ae/lifestyle/travel/unrefined-therapy-in-azerbaijan
Unrefined therapy in Azerbaijan
Bathing in crude oil is reputed to soothe the skin and boost energy levels. But, as Luke Jerod Kummer discovers at Naftalan in Azerbaijan, the process of immersion is a far cry from the luxurious spa pampering that most of us enjoy "Why you come sanatoria?" the voice at the end of the phone asks. "Oil," I answer. I'm seated in the doctor's office at the Naftalan Sanatorium, near the battle-scarred territory of Nagorno-Karbakh in Azerbaijan. The health centre is famous for its crude oil baths, which are believed to have medicinal properties and be good for treating skin conditions such as eczema and psoriasis, easing joint pains; and generally calming the nerves. But as no one here speaks English, I'm none the wiser as to what the basis for these health claims might be. Rather, I'm talking to a stranger down a telephone line as banter ensues between my taxi driver, Emar, the "doctor", receptionist and nurses. People once flocked from all over the USSR to health centres in the small town of Naftalan to spend days soaking in the dark, heavy type of crude that's found in this area but is too expensive to refine. Today, western tourists like me are still an oddity.
http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/azerbaijan-clinic-uses-crude-oil-baths-as-spa-treatments.html
(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/RFF%20Stuff/Naftalan-oil-bath3-550x364.jpg)
(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/RFF%20Stuff/Naftalan-oil-bath.jpg)
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Where does Uganda fits into all this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105055/Katheryn-Fuller-Assistant-Amazing-Race-TV-producer-dead-hotel-held-Uganda-face-drugs-charges.html#ixzz1nM8FX1PQ
They were not working on the show at the time of their collapse but they had helped with the current season, which hit screens on Sunday
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Uganda has no relationship to AR20. The advance-man who died apparently returned to his work headquarters in Uganda after finishing work for AR20 in Tanzania. He was confronted in Uganda.
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Phil gives an interview here:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6750647
according to the above source,
this is what I've got from getting soaked in oil, in Azerbaijan,
There's an 'Oil Therapy Clinic'
http://www.thenational.ae/lifestyle/travel/unrefined-therapy-in-azerbaijan
Unrefined therapy in Azerbaijan
Bathing in crude oil is reputed to soothe the skin and boost energy levels. But, as Luke Jerod Kummer discovers at Naftalan in Azerbaijan, the process of immersion is a far cry from the luxurious spa pampering that most of us enjoy "Why you come sanatoria?" the voice at the end of the phone asks. "Oil," I answer. I'm seated in the doctor's office at the Naftalan Sanatorium, near the battle-scarred territory of Nagorno-Karbakh in Azerbaijan. The health centre is famous for its crude oil baths, which are believed to have medicinal properties and be good for treating skin conditions such as eczema and psoriasis, easing joint pains; and generally calming the nerves. But as no one here speaks English, I'm none the wiser as to what the basis for these health claims might be. Rather, I'm talking to a stranger down a telephone line as banter ensues between my taxi driver, Emar, the "doctor", receptionist and nurses. People once flocked from all over the USSR to health centres in the small town of Naftalan to spend days soaking in the dark, heavy type of crude that's found in this area but is too expensive to refine. Today, western tourists like me are still an oddity.
http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/azerbaijan-clinic-uses-crude-oil-baths-as-spa-treatments.html
(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/RFF%20Stuff/Naftalan-oil-bath3-550x364.jpg)
(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/RFF%20Stuff/Naftalan-oil-bath.jpg)
Phil did a TAR interview with KTLA: you can see the whole video here:
http://www.ktla.com/videogallery/68464182/Entertainment/PHIL-KEOGHAN-TALKS-AMAZING-RACE
The Paraguay portion is up in the Ep 3 thread.
Other highlight: In Azerbaijan, there is a man soaking in oil...because that is what they do.
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I'm confident it's the above hints of Naftalan Oil Spa in Azerbaijan ;)
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I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking of the Quantum of Solace...
(http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/7/7-quantum-of-solace-scenes-everyone-will-be-talking-about-432-75.jpeg)
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Oh that oil spa looks awesome. :colors Joey Fitness' body covered with oil :flirt:
LMAO :angel:
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Don't know if its been posted in other forums, but according to TV guide, we get some fun in India.....
http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/amazing-race-20-2012/episode-9-season-20/amazing-race-20/339585
http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/amazing-race-20-2012/episode-10-season-20/amazing-race-20/339585
Just says "india" so there
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Really hoping TAR goes to Bangalore in India. It is a BEAUTIFUL city, and one of the major cities in India (that hasn't been visited, also).
Since we knew they were in Kerala, it is possible. They could've gone to Bangalore, then to rural Kerala, a trend TAR likes to do (Major city in India -> rural India).
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Really hoping TAR goes to Bangalore in India. It is a BEAUTIFUL city, and one of the major cities in India (that hasn't been visited, also).
Since we knew they were in Kerala, it is possible. They could've gone to Bangalore, then to rural Kerala, a trend TAR likes to do (Major city in India -> rural India).
Were they in Trivandrum, Kerala?
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IDK. I just remember they were in Kerala.
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Really hoping TAR goes to Bangalore in India. It is a BEAUTIFUL city, and one of the major cities in India (that hasn't been visited, also).
Since we knew they were in Kerala, it is possible. They could've gone to Bangalore, then to rural Kerala, a trend TAR likes to do (Major city in India -> rural India).
Were they in Trivandrum, Kerala?
Amazing Race, that is quite possible. The other major city in Kerala is Kochi (formerly Cochin).
Paldog, Bangalore is one of the few major Indian cities I have not visited, but it is a long way from Kerala. It's possible Bangalore will be included in one of 2 legs in India, but I would not plan on it. There are 330 miles between Bangalore and Kochi.
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Really hoping TAR goes to Bangalore in India. It is a BEAUTIFUL city, and one of the major cities in India (that hasn't been visited, also).
Since we knew they were in Kerala, it is possible. They could've gone to Bangalore, then to rural Kerala, a trend TAR likes to do (Major city in India -> rural India).
Were they in Trivandrum, Kerala?
Amazing Race, that is quite possible. The other major city in Kerala is Kochi (formerly Cochin).
Paldog, Bangalore is one of the few major Indian cities I have not visited, but it is a long way from Kerala. It's possible Bangalore will be included in one of 2 legs in India, but I would not plan on it. There are 330 miles between Bangalore and Kochi.
Since they visited Kochi in Season 3, I think they might visit the capital city, Trivandrum!
I was just in Trivandrum from March 20th to 29th. I have some relatives there who maybe could come up with something when the preview or something pops up.
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So the remaining race course is:
LEG 7: Azerbaijan--Tanzania
LEG 8: Tanzania
LEG 9: Tanzania---India
LEG10: India
LEG11: India---Japan
LEG12: Japan---US
Right? Well, i gotta say i liked it. Glad that they didn't went to China again after India. That would've been a little bit of an overkill.
Hopefully we'll have a couple of new countries too in TAR21.
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Looks like an interesting race course to me. Hopefully, there will be new and awesome scenery in those places! :jam:
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Which works out perfectly as there are connections from Nairobi through Doha into Trivandrum. Remember the Doha sightings?
All those sightings were believed to be FAUX.
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Really hoping TAR goes to Bangalore in India. It is a BEAUTIFUL city, and one of the major cities in India (that hasn't been visited, also).
Since we knew they were in Kerala, it is possible. They could've gone to Bangalore, then to rural Kerala, a trend TAR likes to do (Major city in India -> rural India).
Were they in Trivandrum, Kerala?
Amazing Race, that is quite possible. The other major city in Kerala is Kochi (formerly Cochin).
Paldog, Bangalore is one of the few major Indian cities I have not visited, but it is a long way from Kerala. It's possible Bangalore will be included in one of 2 legs in India, but I would not plan on it. There are 330 miles between Bangalore and Kochi.
Since they visited Kochi in Season 3, I think they might visit the capital city, Trivandrum!
I was just in Trivandrum from March 20th to 29th. I have some relatives there who maybe could come up with something when the preview or something pops up.
No, AR3 did not visit Thiruvananthapuram (Trivandrum is just the name of its airport) as far as I know.
You could be thinking of AR4, which visited Alleppey for the bull mud ride leg. AR4 teams arrived on the 1000 km train ride at Ernakulam and they did leave the Kochi Airport to fly to Chennai (referred to in AR4 by its former name of Madras). There is no evidence that any other tasks took place in the Kochi area.
Or perhaps you are thinking of Amazing Race Asia 3, which did have episode 9 in Kochi.
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Which works out perfectly as there are connections from Nairobi through Doha into Trivandrum. Remember the Doha sightings?
I will agree that there are 2 very good flight connections through Doha. However, there are 8 daily flights from Mumbai to Thiruvananthapuram. Which is more likely if TRV is the airport they fly to?
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Which works out perfectly as there are connections from Nairobi through Doha into Trivandrum. Remember the Doha sightings?
All those sightings were believed to be FAUX.
Even the Nairobi one?
No, but the doha one was (IIRC) supposed to be from Nepal, so clearly fausx.
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No, AR3 did not visit Thiruvananthapuram (Trivandrum is just the name of its airport) as far as I know.
You could be thinking of AR4, which visited Alleppey for the bull mud ride leg. AR4 teams arrived on the 1000 km train ride at Ernakulam and they did leave the Kochi Airport to fly to Chennai (referred to in AR4 by its former name of Madras). There is no evidence that any other tasks took place in the Kochi area.
Or perhaps you are thinking of Amazing Race Asia 3, which did have episode 9 in Kochi.
This is a bit nitpicky of me but Trivandrum isn't just the name of the airport. I was there last year and a lot of the locals as well as the majority of tourists still refer to it as Trivandrum over it's proper Indian name (just like Bombay/Mumbai, Chennai/Madras and Alappuzha/Alleppey)
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Which works out perfectly as there are connections from Nairobi through Doha into Trivandrum. Remember the Doha sightings?
All those sightings were believed to be FAUX.
Actually, my take on how teams got from Arusha to Kochi is that they connected through Doha (preceded by either Arusha to Nairobi to Doha or Arusha to Dar Es Salaam to Nairobi to Doha).
So it turns out that Leafsfan is quite correct according to me.
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We can always take another look, but the Doha spoiler was deemed FAUX at the time.
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Here are the tweets from Doha:
Marie Nair @MarieDeviNair
Given the luxury of the Qatar coach cabins, I must say the Doha Terminal is... a disappointment
6:37 AM - 14 Dec 11 via Futuretweets V2 · Details
Marie Nair @MarieDeviNair
pretty sure I saw what looked like Amazing Race or those round the world challenge things just run past me.
7:54 AM - 14 Dec 11 via web · Details
Marie Nair @MarieDeviNair
@ArundhatiSV noo sweetie... not on my flight. they arrived from katmandu :) arrival gate bside mine!!!
7:54 AM - 14 Dec 11 via web · Details
I assume the time stamp is my local time which was CST in Dec. I think the main reason we believed them to be false is that this person said the racers had arrived from Katmandu which we later learned was not a part of the race. She could have simply been mistaken as to where the racers arrived from. The date of Dec 14 is later than the possible India dates that are currently being considered. So is it possible that teams did not arrive in Cochin until late Dec 14/early Dec 15?
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The layover of AR20 teams in Doha airport on Dec. 12 was between QA535 arrival at 710pm and departure of 9W555 at 1120pm.
That does not match either the date or time of day for the sightings reported above, so although sightings in Doha were possible those in particular were not valid.