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Title: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 14, 2011, 10:46:03 PM
Title credit find to The Prophet and to walkingpneumonia!
PRESS:
RACERS TRAVEL TO JAPAN WHERE ONE TEAM IS FORCED TO PLAY CATCH-UP AFTER A CAR CRASH FORCES THEM TO THE BACK OF THE PACK, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," SUNDAY, MARCH 6
"We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan) — While in Japan, one team's hopes are shattered after a car crash jolts them to the back of the pack, and Racers get down and dirty in a pile of frigid mud, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, March 6 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Phil Keoghan is host.
DETOUR?/ROADBLOCK?: Ritual with frigid waters of Mount Fuji EVIDENCE: Press release (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23390.msg585567.html#msg585567))
Safe from Elimination at End of Leg (IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER): Ron/Christina, Gary/Mallory, LaKisha/Jen, Jet/Cord, Zev/Justin, Kent/Vyxsin, Herb/Nate, Margie/Luke, Jaime/Cara Possibly Eliminated: Mel/Mike
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 23, 2011, 07:52:14 PM
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 23, 2011, 07:52:34 PM
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Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on February 24, 2011, 11:46:20 AM
The episode title sounds like a classic Mel/Mike quote.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: BayBay on February 24, 2011, 02:34:37 PM
Lol now that I think about it the photos I took are worthless because the theory I drew up seems to be wrong due to photo and video evidence of teams. I guess the real questions for discussion are;
1. Where teams really released in the ugly train station? 2. Why did K/V and possibly R/C not catch a train to the airport when it is clearly the most logical form of transport in terms of accessibilty, affordability and time taken?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2011, 02:48:09 PM
2) The Bounce Hotel people began helping them, perhaps they just ran with it. I am concerned though that if the clue read go by Taxi or Train then the Goths could get a time penalty...
3) never know when a photo could help...I'd love to see them!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on February 24, 2011, 04:21:04 PM
Too bad Zev is standing in front of the pit stop sign........it would be nice to see what it says.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: BayBay on February 24, 2011, 04:38:56 PM
Lol it's literally on platform 1!! Will upload photos tonight!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on February 24, 2011, 05:24:26 PM
I suppose the guy looking at his wristwatch is telling the teams when to scoot.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: TarJunkie999 on February 24, 2011, 06:23:57 PM
here's a typical view racers may have seen on a platform at Sydney's Central Train Station.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2011, 06:32:32 PM
Nice! That is soooo close!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2011, 07:03:59 PM
BayBay is doing an excursion, and sending photos! He'll be back later tonight to tell us more...
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Broken%20Hill/MikeandMelsspot.jpg)1 Mike and Mel's spot!
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Broken%20Hill/SydneyTerminalCentralreststop.jpg)2 (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Broken%20Hill/waitingroom.jpg)3 Sydney Terminal Central rest stop/waiting room
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Broken%20Hill/WhereK-VgottheBouncecaragoodfiveminutepowerwalkfromthePitStart.jpg) 4 Where K/V got the Bounce car a good five minute powerwalk from the Pit Start
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Broken%20Hill/K-VspotAgood45and35minstoairportbycar.jpg)5 $45 and 35 to airport by car from here, K/V's spot.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2011, 08:41:12 PM
one more..BayBay will have to tell us what this is!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: BayBay on February 25, 2011, 01:34:24 AM
Ok so I went for a little stroll of Central. I was surprised that they didn't use the location of the picture in the above post as the Pit-Start as it would have been a little bit more visually pleasing but anyway...so the trains on Platform One that arrive at Central do not come all the way to the end of the platform like you would expect them to but rather stop at the middle of the platform meaning that the front of the train aligned perfectly with the holding room that teams were escorted into:
which is the start of the platform about 30m away from the holding room (not very visually pleasing IMO). Most teams got information at the info window and caught a train straight to the airport -
theoretically speaking they could have been at the QANTAS desk in 30-40 minutes. However it is surprising that K/V walked all the way to the other side of the station (a good 5-6 minutes) to get in the Bounce car which would mean they would hit afternoon traffic and potentially take up to an hour to get to the airport?
Could it have been money?? Phil did say that there will be surprises!! Maybe the second last team gets their money taken away :lol: The train would cost ~$13 each so it is a possibility!
The same person that had a video of K/V starting Episode 3 also had a video of Ron and Chris...was this an Episode 2 or 3 video? They may have also made the mistake of thinking taxi/bus was faster!
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Now for the 'Mel and Mike spot' ( :lol: ) them taking this route makes sense if teams caught a ferry back to Circular Quay and then had to go on foot to Anchor statue. HOWEVER I think it is cruel of WRP to have made teams walk as it is quite a trek and especially with those backpacks! Being on Pitt St however does make us think was the Marriott Hotel involved somehow? Or did G/M and R/C?? go just for directions? Teams were seen working together carrying a box of some sort however when Mallory read the clue in front of Phil, it said 'You are heading to the Back and Beyond' and there was lip moment...maybe they have to pick something up on the way?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Coutzy on February 25, 2011, 03:30:41 AM
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Now for the 'Mel and Mike spot' ( ) them taking this route makes sense if teams caught a ferry back to Circular Quay and then had to go on foot to Anchor statue. HOWEVER I think it is cruel of WRP to have made teams walk as it is quite a trek and especially with those backpacks! Being on Pitt St however does make us think was the Marriott Hotel involved somehow? Or did G/M and R/C?? go just for directions? Teams were seen working together carrying a box of some sort however when Mallory read the clue in front of Phil, it said 'You are heading to the Back and Beyond' and there was lip moment...maybe they have to pick something up on the way?
I don't think teams had to walk to the anchor. K/V consulted with a tourism place (Outback tours? Something like that) for a long time (Now we know why) then got straight into a taxi.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: BayBay on February 25, 2011, 05:49:29 AM
Now for the 'Mel and Mike spot' ( ) them taking this route makes sense if teams caught a ferry back to Circular Quay and then had to go on foot to Anchor statue. HOWEVER I think it is cruel of WRP to have made teams walk as it is quite a trek and especially with those backpacks! Being on Pitt St however does make us think was the Marriott Hotel involved somehow? Or did G/M and R/C?? go just for directions? Teams were seen working together carrying a box of some sort however when Mallory read the clue in front of Phil, it said 'You are heading to the Back and Beyond' and there was lip moment...maybe they have to pick something up on the way?
I don't think teams had to walk to the anchor. K/V consulted with a tourism place (Outback tours? Something like that) for a long time (Now we know why) then got straight into a taxi.
Ok interesting. Taxi or even bus would have been way easier!! Haha. HAPPY 2000 POSTS!!!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 07:14:59 AM
I believe from the post that the Bounce people gave K/V a ride....no charge?
one more..BayBay will have to tell us what this is!!
here's what I found:
If you head immediately south of Central Station after exiting through the eastern side you'll come across the Ibero-American Plaza that commemorates the contribution of Spanish and Portugese speaking peoples to the history of Australia. It was opened in 2000 and features a series of busts in line along a sunken footpath. :duno: :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on February 25, 2011, 12:10:01 PM
one more..BayBay will have to tell us what this is!!
here's what I found:
If you head immediately south of Central Station after exiting through the eastern side you'll come across the Ibero-American Plaza that commemorates the contribution of Spanish and Portugese speaking peoples to the history of Australia. It was opened in 2000 and features a series of busts in line along a sunken footpath. :duno: :lol:
Gracias/Obrigado!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 12:34:10 PM
That would have been fun!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: BayBay on February 25, 2011, 03:46:03 PM
Now we just need to find a yabusame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yabusame) school.
You are a wonder!! :jumpy:
Here is one:
http://www.yabusame.or.jp/english/index.php
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on February 28, 2011, 12:37:24 AM
There is an annual mud-slinging festival (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M06dAWdNw9c) in Yotsukaido (Chiba prefecture), although I suppose an "amazing" mud field could be hired anywhere.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: tarflyonthewall on February 28, 2011, 12:38:37 AM
Believe it or not, it's not the first time a reality show has used Platform 1 at Central Station. The fourth season of Australia's version of The Mole used it in their first challenge (http://www.youtube.com/user/themoleaus#p/u/47/oArJhW7-B0U).
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on February 28, 2011, 12:40:27 AM
I dont think we have had a good mud task since TAR15 in Estonia.....
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: tarflyonthewall on February 28, 2011, 12:43:32 AM
You know, I'm happy they're actually bothering to use real Japanese culture this season. It makes a nice change from driving taxis and riding rollercoasters and being on fake gameshows.
But I'm still holding out for the day they have a Detour choice between Nintendo videogames and Nikoli logic puzzles.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on February 28, 2011, 01:21:22 AM
There's not a lot of things to match in the misogi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogi) caps. Didn't the blurb mention Fuji? The nearest thing I could find is the Shiraito falls (http://www.mustlovejapan.com/subject/shiraito_fall/), but that's just spec.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2011, 07:23:27 AM
My spec: The Detour is either dancing or mud slinging. The Roadblock the the arrow task. The cold water task is a Route Info task. Of course the dancing could be the RB and the arrow is part of that somehow.
BTW, good job Slowhatch!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: kiki on February 28, 2011, 09:34:24 AM
My spec: The Detour is either dancing or mud slinging. The Roadblock the the arrow task. The cold water task is a Route Info task. Of course the dancing could be the RB and the arrow is part of that somehow.
BTW, good job Slowhatch!
What dancing are you talking about? If you are referring to caps 4, 5 I think that's more like preparation movements for the horseback archery. As for the Detour for me it could be something like Clean or Dirty, as in cleanse your soul in the cold water or get dirty in the mud.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: gator27 on February 28, 2011, 11:38:05 AM
My spec: The Detour is either dancing or mud slinging. The Roadblock the the arrow task. The cold water task is a Route Info task. Of course the dancing could be the RB and the arrow is part of that somehow.
There is an annual mud-slinging festival (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M06dAWdNw9c) in Yotsukaido (Chiba prefecture), although I suppose an "amazing" mud field could be hired anywhere.
This season, the multi Emmy Award-winning series will be broadcast in HD for the first time as the Racers travel 40,000 miles through five continents and 23 cities. Teams begin their journey around the globe from the second-windiest place on the planet, and travel to such picturesque locations as Sydney, Australia, where they find themselves swimming with sharks; Liechtenstein, where they must measure the length of the entire country while riding a motorized bicycle; and Tokyo, Japan, where they must endure the freezing waters from Mount Fuji as part of a spiritual ritual.
I was thinking a Clean or Dirty Detour. Not sure this distance between Yotsukaido (Chiba prefecture) (Dirty) and the freezing waters from Mount Fuji (Clean). Time for some map work.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2011, 11:46:03 AM
I just thought that TPTB wanted all teams to face the frigid waters. :duno:
That festival is held in early February but interestingly looked like it was only open to men. Also odd is that it just happened a few days ago.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Cocoa on February 28, 2011, 11:59:54 AM
Wait, didn't we hear about the waters being a Roadblock? Or is it just me who invented that? ??? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: TarJunkie999 on February 28, 2011, 12:00:50 PM
;) Going out on a limb here, and saying it may be the Ogasawara-Ryu, one of the oldest schools of Japanese-style archery.
(note similar banner in background)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2011, 12:02:01 PM
Wait, didn't we hear about the waters being a Roadblock? Or is it just me who invented that? ??? :lol:
How could it be a Roadblock when both FT&BE are shown doing it?
Great work TarJunkie! that one is a lot closer to everything else than Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gu. NVM, we have a sighting in Kamakura. To answer gator27, I don't see any way for the water to be a detour choice it is way too far from Yotsukaido.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: TarJunkie999 on February 28, 2011, 02:27:51 PM
:lol: I'm on a roll now. Appears to me that the "vehicularly challenged" redheads are at an overpass of the Metropolitan Expressway No. 3 (Shibuya Route) in the Shibuya district of Tokyo.
why they are in Shibuya is anyones guess.
(note red building and orange sign similarities)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2011, 02:37:45 PM
Great work! They are on their way from the airport to either Kamakura or the Fuji region. This leg will include a lot of car time if they self drive to each destination.
It makes me think they are going to the misogi first. Below (A) is the airport, (B) is the Fuji area and orange is the Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gu where the yabusame is done. The driving route from Haneda to Fuji takes them right through Shibuya (yellow marker). I'm starting to think they don't go to Yotsukaido.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on February 28, 2011, 03:06:46 PM
Both CX524 and QF21 landed at Narita, not Haneda. I dont know if that will change your spec or not.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2011, 03:29:48 PM
QF21 landed at Narita, not Haneda. Same with the flight from Hong Kong. I dont know if that will change your spec or not.
Thanks for the reminder, it actually does. :duh: It looks like the leg may progress linearly, east to west. Although they could double back to Yotsukaido since they have to go back to the airport.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: BayBay on February 28, 2011, 03:30:42 PM
Can I just say how much I hate that in these later seasons, teams are managing to all get on the one flight. Whatever happened to getting crazy connections through random cities and then running to transfer desks to get standby tickets on earlier flights. Very disappointing :(
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: TarJunkie999 on February 28, 2011, 05:43:20 PM
:lol: Just for kicks i'll throw in the Google Street View of the redhead's Shibuya "vehicle incident" location.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2011, 05:58:42 PM
Can I just say how much I hate that in these later seasons, teams are managing to all get on the one flight. Whatever happened to getting crazy connections through random cities and then running to transfer desks to get standby tickets on earlier flights. Very disappointing :(
In the past, the races were more flight based than task based. Therefore, they were based more on luck than skill. Gone are the days of teams checking in hours behind other teams because they missed a risky connection or something like that. I tend to like the task-based model TPTB use lately from a viewer's standpoint, but after playing fantasy races, I like the flight-based model better!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: dojima on February 28, 2011, 06:24:49 PM
Big :hearts: to everyone finding out it was Shibuya. Believe it or not, I stayed at an apartment complex right around the corner in that scene.
In fact, I went to that AM/PM several times a day lol. To prove it, my friend who went with me on the trip recorded this short video of his trip into the AM/PM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8VGPqrptXE
Warning of foul language in the middle of the video if you don't like that kind of stuff. :lol: He does a good job showing around outside, and the store with the yellow banner confirms the location being the scene of the incident. Lucky for us we never got ran over by Jaime when we were there. :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2011, 06:49:59 PM
TarJunkie999 did a great job of finding that! :bow: I was just trying to guess why they were there.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Dånooky on February 28, 2011, 10:45:38 PM
Can I just say how much I hate that in these later seasons, teams are managing to all get on the one flight. Whatever happened to getting crazy connections through random cities and then running to transfer desks to get standby tickets on earlier flights. Very disappointing :(
It's called the TPTB-got-tired-of-waiting-for-teams-who-deviate-from-the-normal-route-and-end-up-checking-in-hours-behind-the-leading-team-thus-forcing-longer-Pit-Stops-or-messing-up-with-Phil's-logistics-so-they-chose-to-micromanage-flights effect
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Caelestor on March 01, 2011, 02:26:51 AM
A lot of locations in recent races tend to have direct flights.
I think that the flight searching only works if one plane arrives no more than 2 hours ahead of the last (because otherwise, the lagging teams would have no opportunity to catch up and that could be boring to watch).
And there are actually two flight itineraries for this leg, which is better than I expected.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: redskevin88 on March 01, 2011, 03:24:31 AM
Can I just say how much I hate that in these later seasons, teams are managing to all get on the one flight. Whatever happened to getting crazy connections through random cities and then running to transfer desks to get standby tickets on earlier flights. Very disappointing :(
It's called the TPTB-got-tired-of-waiting-for-teams-who-deviate-from-the-normal-route-and-end-up-checking-in-hours-behind-the-leading-team-thus-forcing-longer-Pit-Stops-or-messing-up-with-Phil's-logistics-so-they-chose-to-micromanage-flights effect
Yeah in All-Stars, Eric & Danielle and Joe & Bill ended up so far behind the leading teams, Dustin & Kandace were already doing the next leg. And Uchenna & Joyce got so far behind, even Oswald & Danny already got eliminated...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: SkyWriter9 on March 01, 2011, 03:36:42 AM
My spec: The Detour is either dancing or mud slinging. The Roadblock the the arrow task. The cold water task is a Route Info task. Of course the dancing could be the RB and the arrow is part of that somehow.
BTW, good job Slowhatch!
What dancing are you talking about? If you are referring to caps 4, 5 I think that's more like preparation movements for the horseback archery. As for the Detour for me it could be something like Clean or Dirty, as in cleanse your soul in the cold water or get dirty in the mud.
Horseback archery? What do you mean?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: kiki on March 01, 2011, 03:48:29 AM
My spec: The Detour is either dancing or mud slinging. The Roadblock the the arrow task. The cold water task is a Route Info task. Of course the dancing could be the RB and the arrow is part of that somehow.
BTW, good job Slowhatch!
What dancing are you talking about? If you are referring to caps 4, 5 I think that's more like preparation movements for the horseback archery. As for the Detour for me it could be something like Clean or Dirty, as in cleanse your soul in the cold water or get dirty in the mud.
Horseback archery? What do you mean?
I mean the yabusame, archers shooting at targets while riding. Look at peach's comments she found a yabusame school. If you look at the caps you can see Kent dressed in a costume, holding a bow and arrow sitting on a saddle, something like those fake rodeo bulls.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 01, 2011, 04:02:59 AM
Can I just say how much I hate that in these later seasons, teams are managing to all get on the one flight. Whatever happened to getting crazy connections through random cities and then running to transfer desks to get standby tickets on earlier flights. Very disappointing :(
In the past, the races were more flight based than task based. Therefore, they were based more on luck than skill. Gone are the days of teams checking in hours behind other teams because they missed a risky connection or something like that. I tend to like the task-based model TPTB use lately from a viewer's standpoint, but after playing fantasy races, I like the flight-based model better!
The blandness of the air segments of many Amazing Races is due to World Race Productions attempting to control those races tightly. Much of the time racers have to just accept a predetermined flight. Oh, how I long for the chaos of AR4, AR5, AR6 and AR7 where flight choices were dramatic and the most important determinant of the outcome of those races.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 01, 2011, 09:28:45 AM
It would be nice to get a time off that watch. Thanks to TJ we know the car was pointing (mostly) south during the accident, so the sunlight seems to be coming from the west. Why would they be driving out of Shibuya (the producers really like that part of town)? Not another tube hotel, I hope. Maybe the indoor archery is there, or maybe it's just an unrelated info stop.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 01, 2011, 10:02:09 AM
It is puzzling that they are headed south. The impression I got was that they have not done any tasks yet. Had they already participated in mud/water activities they would probably look like it. However if they were on their way to do tasks in the Fuji region they would be headed north or east. Perhaps they had a RI stop in a northern region of Tokyo and are headed south to Kamakura for the archery (roadblock??).
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 01, 2011, 11:46:21 AM
I think I put up the best cap for the watch but will relook tonight...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 01, 2011, 06:38:11 PM
Promo!!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Reilly Queens on March 01, 2011, 06:40:05 PM
I think the RB is the bow and arrow, and the detour is mud/dirty or water/clean ;)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 01, 2011, 06:41:32 PM
Spec that archery is a RB reinforced. (Interesting that they show the real yabusame)
Jaime and Cara in trouble with police.
Mel and Mike in an ambulance.
The mud thing is sliding. None of the teams doing the mud are shown doing the waterfall. On the waterfall task, teams must have to stay upright under the water's force for a certain amount of time.
We also get probably purposeful looks at Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gu shrine and Mt. Fuji. This makes me think the car parking thing is not a random shot.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Reilly Queens on March 01, 2011, 06:43:23 PM
The mud thing is sliding. None of the teams doing the mud are shown doing the waterfall.
What is that vehicle switcher contraption?
idk. It might not be anything since they have shown S15 clips, but Ive never seen the car and the race before :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 01, 2011, 06:46:46 PM
Here (http://www.nihonsun.com/2009/06/17/precarious-parking-options-in-japan) is an interesting look at parking in Japan, particularly this section:
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There are parking lots where the driver must drive onto a Ferris Wheel of sorts and the car is taken for a ride of its own. The operator of the lot must make all the cars go around until the right one appears when the driver is ready to leave!
This (http://tokyo360.net/?p=22) too, apparently they are pretty common.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 01, 2011, 07:04:03 PM
Someone gets hypothermia on this leg, if anyone remembers.
Do you think Mel is hurt or cold in this shot? They clearly did the mud at some point.
Someone is saying something about being cold and they do get eliminated.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 01, 2011, 07:38:47 PM
Could these two shots be from some sort of rail station?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 01, 2011, 09:13:08 PM
This team seems to be still at the mud in the late afternoon.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Reilly Queens on March 01, 2011, 09:21:04 PM
So From The Video...
Flight Time & Big Easy, Ron & Christina do the Water Detour and
Kisha & Jen, and Mel & Mike do the mud detour
For The Roadblock It looks like Jen, Luke?, and Ron are doing it.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 01, 2011, 09:22:57 PM
RACERS TRAVEL TO JAPAN WHERE ONE TEAM IS FORCED TO PLAY CATCH-UP AFTER A CAR CRASH FORCES THEM TO THE BACK OF THE PACK, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," SUNDAY, MARCH 6
"We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan) — While in Japan, one team's hopes are shattered after a car crash jolts them to the back of the pack, and Racers get down and dirty in a pile of frigid mud, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, March 6 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Phil Keoghan is host.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 01, 2011, 09:23:33 PM
Will try to cap the promo tonight...if I can stay awake! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 01, 2011, 09:58:44 PM
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In Detour A, father/daughter team Ron and Christina must take part in a Shinto religious cleansing first by learning a prayer that is both vocal and physical then standing under an icy waterfall for two minutes in orer to receive the next clue
In Detour B, goth friends Vyxsin and Kent must dive into an enormous mud pit and search for a buried frog, a good luck symbol in Japan, while being pelted with clumps of mud by onlookers in order to receive the next clue
In this Road Block, Jen must dress as Samurai and practice the demanding skill of shooting a bow and arrow atop a wooden horse. Once she hits the target, she will receive the next clue on THE AMAZING RACE
pics later!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: em83 on March 01, 2011, 11:16:23 PM
Could these two shots be from some sort of rail station?
Looks like Central Station in Sydney.
Mel & Mike look like they are heading out the Railway square entrance (from memory there is a taxi rank here); While Jet & Cord appear to waiting on Plat. 23 which is where the airport train departs at Central.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 02, 2011, 12:29:10 AM
All photos by Robert Voets/CBS
In Detour B, goth friends Vyxsin (left) and Kent (right) must dive into an enormous mud pit and search for a buried frog, a good luck symbol in Japan, while being pelted with clumps of mud by onlookers in order to receive the next clue on THE AMAZING RACE.
We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently (Japan) -- In Detour A, father/daughter team Ron (center) and Christina (right) must take part in a Shinto religious cleansing first by learning a prayer that is both vocal and physical then standing under an icy waterfall for two minutes in orer to receive the next clue on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, March 6 (8:00-9:00...
-- In Detour A, Globe Trotters Big Easy (left) and Flight Time must take part in a Shinto religious cleansing first by learning a prayer that is both vocal and physical then standing under an icy waterfall for two minutes in order to receive the next clue on THE AMAZING RACE
In Detour B, cowboy brothers Jet (left) and Cord (right) must dive into an enormous mud pit and search for a buried frog, a good luck symbol in Japan, while being pelted with clumps of mud by onlookers in order to receive the next clue on THE AMAZING RACE
In this Road Block, Jen must dress as Samurai and practice the demanding skill of shooting a bow and arrow atop a wooden horse. Once she hits the target, she will receive the next clue on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, March 6
In this Road Block, Justin must dress as Samurai and practice the demanding skill of shooting a bow and arrow atop a wooden horse. Once he hits the target, he will receive the next clue on THE AMAZING RACE
Could these two shots be from some sort of rail station?
Looks like Central Station in Sydney.
Mel & Mike look like they are heading out the Railway square entrance (from memory there is a taxi rank here); While Jet & Cord appear to waiting on Plat. 23 which is where the airport train departs at Central.
Thank you em83 and :welcome2: to RFF!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 02, 2011, 12:48:30 AM
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: TarJunkie999 on March 02, 2011, 01:24:40 AM
No. 1 appears to be the famous floating torii at Itsukushima Shrine, in Hiroshima prefecture. A bit out of the way, but makes for a pretty shot for television. :colors
No, 2 & 3, as predicted, the Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gū in Kamakura (stairway to Senior Shrine).
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 02, 2011, 02:10:08 AM
Inside of an ambulance, possibly?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 02, 2011, 02:16:55 AM
The new promo is up in post 2!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: LoveRocked on March 02, 2011, 02:38:11 AM
pics 46 and 47.. Must Luke doing roadblock.. I guess.. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: kiki on March 02, 2011, 04:53:43 AM
It's official: CBS is trying to destroy mswood and joab's prediction games. :lol3: We already know for 6 of the teams what detour they chose and also 5 of those who do the roadblock. I can't remember them giving so much information in TAR 17
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 02, 2011, 09:49:16 AM
It looks like they were about a mile away when the car owner and police caught up with them (viewpoint (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq&ll=35.646146,139.696677&spn=0.006408,0.013937&z=17&layer=c&cbll=35.646184,139.6966&panoid=-GPinIzmRHQvOo5YuCy5rw&cbp=12,42.25,,0,3.54)).
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: BK_amazing_race on March 02, 2011, 02:38:47 PM
We have a title for episode 4...
Amazing Race 18 This is the Most Stupid Day Ever (Lijiang, China)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 02, 2011, 06:57:57 PM
The shrine! I had forgotten about that. Racers were spotted there around 1:30 p.m. and the shrine has connections to the Takeda school that Peach found. I can't find any indoor pictures, but maybe the archery is in one of the buildings. (viewpoint (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=35.32564,139.556144&spn=0.003199,0.006968&z=18&layer=c&cbll=35.32564,139.556144&panoid=GTfs3nHrMBEVIKYYY0E7NQ&cbp=12,28.54,,0,-6.92))
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Reilly Queens on March 03, 2011, 05:09:17 PM
New Promo for the Water Detour
I want my Mama! I want my Mama!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 03, 2011, 05:22:28 PM
Those two teams are pretty close together. I wonder if that Detour choice will end up being the easier one since it may not take as long. Usually ritual detour choices are more frustrating but more straight forward. Searching is more variable it can be quick or take forever. Many teams lean towards searching because they can control it and sometimes that is a good choice sometimes not.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 03, 2011, 06:37:23 PM
Thanks, Kandace. It's the Yuhi waterfall (http://www.mustlovejapan.com/subject/yuhi_falls/); compare the rocks in the cap to the photo (source (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%AB:Yuhi_Falls_01.jpg)). Saying the water is from Fujiyama might be a stretch, though.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Kacper on March 03, 2011, 07:13:39 PM
I don't think anyone posted it so:
New video
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 03, 2011, 07:21:17 PM
Thanks Kacper! :hearts:
Kandace had already posted one of the other Detour choice. :hearts:
I can't believe they're showing us this much stuff! :colors
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 03, 2011, 07:25:30 PM
What is Mallory wearing?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on March 03, 2011, 07:28:05 PM
Thanks Kandace and Kacper!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 03, 2011, 07:28:41 PM
It doesn't look like Zev is having fun. Did he say they had to eat the frog's legs when they found it or was that a joke?
Some good shots of the sun for Chateau! If they land about 6:30AM and drive to the RB and then to the Detour this clip should be about midday right?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: coolio on March 03, 2011, 08:10:25 PM
Are Gary and Mallory in the wrong pit? Zev and Justin both had red headbands, and so did all the mud-throwers around them. Were they supposed to find a pit based on the color of the headband?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: coolio on March 03, 2011, 08:14:18 PM
Never mind, ignore my last comment, Jet/Cord have orange headbands, while the man has a red one, just thought it was odd...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 03, 2011, 08:22:15 PM
I think it has to do with their team color Coolio! There is probably only one pit.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: theschnauzers on March 03, 2011, 10:15:24 PM
Don't forget that the colors of the Japanese flag are red and white, so having all the locals wearing a red headband would make sense.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Chateau d If on March 04, 2011, 04:35:06 PM
Number 13 is a recycle from Season 15. And the Godzilla comment too. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: connayyy on March 04, 2011, 04:47:53 PM
It doesn't look like Zev is having fun. Did he say they had to eat the frog's legs when they found it or was that a joke?
Some good shots of the sun for Chateau! If they land about 6:30AM and drive to the RB and then to the Detour this clip should be about midday right?
Yeah, I think he said they had to eat the frog's legs! Don't think it was a joke either.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Alfwin on March 04, 2011, 05:49:56 PM
Maybe the task was that they had to catch a frog in the mud pit and eat the frog's leg....But I don't think that it is possible since...Can you find frogs in mud?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: chill_sd on March 04, 2011, 06:59:45 PM
The description on the photos said, "search for a buried frog," so I'm sure it is probably a ceramic or wooden frog.
Suggesting that they would eat the frog's legs is typical of Zev's humor. Remember the joke about Steakhouses in the Outback? He has a very dry sense of humor.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 04, 2011, 07:53:55 PM
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 04, 2011, 08:48:28 PM
Water Detour promo up in post #2.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 04, 2011, 09:40:05 PM
So...flights arrive in the early morning. Then (maybe) they collect their cars from a carousel somewhere in or near Shibuya (unless there's an intermediate unmentioned stop). C/J have an accident while approaching the freeway to take them to the shrine/archery. Teams spotted at the shrine around 1:30. Judging by the sunlight, the mud/water detour takes place in the late afternoon. I haven't found the mud patch yet. It's a smallish town ringed by hills and containing farm plots--also I assume something reasonably close to Yuhi falls. My guess for the moment is Kaisei township. And an unknown pitstop finishes the day.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 04, 2011, 09:50:40 PM
Oh thank you!! I am still working on caps...it does look as though the water detour involves learning a song/prayer. doing the pole lift, and throwing something.
I think the promo clearly places the Trotters ahead of Ron/Chris.
And do we think the shrine is route info or our archery RB location? ???
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 04, 2011, 09:59:35 PM
If the RB is at the shrine...otherwise it could come anytime...
there's a promo shot of what i think is Mike doing the roadblock... assuming that they did the roadblock before the detour, as we know Mel is rushed to the hospital and unable to continue...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 04, 2011, 11:21:09 PM
oh nice! Who is that in the background waiting?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 04, 2011, 11:47:29 PM
The horse-turner is accurate (http://www.koryu.com/photos/gamoyabu3.html), as it turns out. As far as the RB goes, the shrine is just a guess. Google pegs the drive Shibuya>Hachimangu as 1hr15min and the drive from Hachimangu>Yuhi as 1hr50min, so there's still some time to account for.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: kiki on March 05, 2011, 12:35:56 AM
We know :1) both airplanes arrived early in the morning around 6.30a.m.-7am. 2) teams from both flights were seen at Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gu shrine around 1.30p.m. From the pictures of Jamie/Cara accident is obvious that it is in the afternoon, certainly later than 3.00p.m. So what are they doing in Shibuya? Are they hopelessly lost trying to go to the shrine hours after the others or they have already been to the shrine and they are going to another location? Could they have finished all tasks and are on their way to the pit stop?
Another observation: all the pictures from the mud pit is later than the ones from the waterfall, in some of them we can see the sunlight fading, so it could be even later than the traffic accident.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: topaz on March 05, 2011, 02:51:22 AM
Can I just say how much I hate that in these later seasons, teams are managing to all get on the one flight. Whatever happened to getting crazy connections through random cities and then running to transfer desks to get standby tickets on earlier flights. Very disappointing :(
In the 1990s, airlines started changing their philosophy about what the traveling public wanted. So airplane manufacturers started building different types of planes. Airline passengers were trending away from the old "hub/spoke" model toward wanting "point to point" travel. So super long distance aircraft like the Airbus 330, 340, the soon to be Airbus 350 and Boeing 777, 787 were developed and built. These planes are lower capacity, but very long distance flights. The Airbus 380 and Boeing 747 still cater to the old hub and spoke model. Large capacity and shorter distances.
It seems that BVM likes to use the long flights to stress the teams and leaves less airports for the teams to travel through and cuts down on spoiling it seems. He seems very adept at finding them and hiding from us.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on March 05, 2011, 11:27:56 AM
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as we know Mel is rushed to the hospital and unable to continue...
Well color me stupid........I have looked through every post in this thread about 4 times and I can not find any reference to a trip to a hospital. I do know we have screencaps from promos showing Mel in dire straights, sitting in what is probably an ambulance. Where is the link to where it says he goes to the hospital please.
I remember in TAR14 all the CBS hoopla about Margie fainting. Also from the extra videos or the next episode we do see her in an ambulance recuperating, but she never went to the hospital as CBS lead us to belieive. To quote Shakespeare, "lots of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: TarJunkie999 on March 05, 2011, 12:03:47 PM
... From the pictures of Jamie/Cara accident is obvious that it is in the afternoon, certainly later than 3.00p.m. So what are they doing in Shibuya? Are they hopelessly lost trying to go to the shrine hours after the others or they have already been to the shrine and they are going to another location? Could they have finished all tasks and are on their way to the pit stop? ...
Ignoring the time for the moment, another possibility would be that the racers took the Narita Express to Shibuya Station where they picked up their cars (i.e. car elevator (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx19caAaMo4)). They then get their clue to go to "such-and-such" location , blah, blah. A 3PM time would rule that out however, since they arrive in Japan early in the morning. :res: nevermind.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Chateau d If on March 05, 2011, 12:47:02 PM
So...flights arrive in the early morning. Then (maybe) they collect their cars from a carousel somewhere in or near Shibuya (unless there's an intermediate unmentioned stop). C/J have an accident while approaching the freeway to take them to the shrine/archery. Teams spotted at the shrine around 1:30. Judging by the sunlight, the mud/water detour takes place in the late afternoon. I haven't found the mud patch yet. It's a smallish town ringed by hills and containing farm plots--also I assume something reasonably close to Yuhi falls. My guess for the moment is Kaisei township. And an unknown pitstop finishes the day.
Thanks to your lead, I think the mud slide location may be near the Soga Plum Grove (http://www.360cities.net/image/soga-plum-mt-fuji?utm_source=google_earth&utm_medium=all_images#164.94,11.10,77.8). Note the scraggly-trunked plum trees in the mud shots and the the tall wind-maker poles in the background of Kisha & Jen's running shot. Also, hills match in the running shot. And the sun's illumination is consistent with the location.
as we know Mel is rushed to the hospital and unable to continue...
Well color me stupid........I have looked through every post in this thread about 4 times and I can not find any reference to a trip to a hospital. I do know we have screencaps from promos showing Mel in dire straights, sitting in what is probably an ambulance. Where is the link to where it says he goes to the hospital please.
I remember in TAR14 all the CBS hoopla about Margie fainting. Also from the extra videos or the next episode we do see her in an ambulance recuperating, but she never went to the hospital as CBS lead us to belieive. To quote Shakespeare, "lots of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
Thanks in advance.
It isn't in the spoiler thread...it came from an Interview that Gary and Mallory did, and was I believe, an unintended bit of spoilerish info revealed, but does not actually ID Mel as the "victim".
The quote is:
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Season 18 has more medical treatments than Season 17, with the medical crew taking competitors to hospitals for stitches and hypothermia. Mallory assured that safety is a very high priority, because “it wouldn’t look too good” for anyone to be seriously injured.
We have quite a lot of Media spoilerish comments this time, I have tried to bold them in the Media thread as I posted them there.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 05, 2011, 01:21:23 PM
Here is another view to see if that helps?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 05, 2011, 01:29:38 PM
And I do think we are missing a location...there is too much unexplained time.
Can we get any sense of who is doing the late mud? It would be interesting if it was M&M. :o
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on March 05, 2011, 01:32:31 PM
Thanks Peach!!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 05, 2011, 01:35:10 PM
I have been impressed with the caps this season, they are often telling a story, and some of the caps are telling one very purposefully. For instance, the ONE cap of racers with the starting line clue in hand ...was Amanda and Kris.
So this time we have two caps still...and sure they could be scene fillers or not.
So maybe we need to look at THIS view of Fuji and see where it was taken?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 05, 2011, 02:03:39 PM
Wow, what in the world are they doing down in the Shizuoka Prefecture? None of the tasks call for them to go that far west. An extra task over there would make it late afternoon for driving back to the Detour. TJ999 had already identified the second one as the floating torri at Itsukushima Shrine. I think we have to consider that filler because that is WAY out of the way for this leg.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on March 05, 2011, 02:40:14 PM
Ok, here are the details from one of the members on my TAR fan community on mixi.jp. He (not me - I live in Seattle) posted a note on our version of the TAR18 spoiler thread (mirroring this one!) at 2010/11/25 THU 8:26AM JST, with details as follows (translated from Japanese - don't worry, I'm a Japanese native :lol:)
------- LIVE FROM NARITA TERMINAL 2! (Arrival Lobby)
CX524 arrived 80 minutes late! The teams that arrived earlier are probably already headed into town. The SQ flight 538 that arrived via Singapore arrived at Terminal1 around the same time as this one, so there's no way I could spot anyone coming off of that flight.
Just now, Margie/Luke, Kynt/Vyxsin, Zev/Justin and Jamie/Cara (in that order) exited from EXIT B and got into cars that were waiting for them.
The staff members were guarding tightly, so I couldn't quite get close to the racers (I wanted to know where the clue told them to go), but I shouted out
"Go! Kynt/Vyxsin, go!"
and Vyxsin turned around to look at me and flashed a nice smile! :yess:
Jamie/Cara were standing elsewhere, so I got closer to them and called out their name, and they said
"Thanks for recognizing us"
Too bad kenchan's contact didn't differenciate what kind of cars they got into........taxis, crew cars or self drive? It does seem to rule out the express train to Tokyo. If they had taken the train, they would have gone down another level, to the train station.
Maybe Shizuoka Prefecture Fujinomiya is the location of the Pit Stop? Is there a bullet train from there back to Narita? The Shin-Fuji Bullet Train Station is pretty close to Fujinomiya. This would give quick access to Narita Airport for trip to China and also for Phil to exit the area after eliminating a team and heading to Lijiang.
There are actually 4 bullet train stations along the south side of Mt Fuji........Shin-Fuji, Mishima, Atami, Odawara. Seems like a good area to hide the teams at a Pit Stop, before going to China.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 05, 2011, 03:21:12 PM
new PIP on the way!! May have one new location shot anyway...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 05, 2011, 03:28:14 PM
New PIP video is up in post 2! caps on the way!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 05, 2011, 03:51:12 PM
Yes; and 16-22 is Zev, I believe. It looks as though the Cowboys catch up to them.
Why do you think that the Cowboys caught up with Zev/Justin? The Cowboys got a 79 minute head start at Narita. Zev/Justin were on the delayed flight from Hong Kong. If both teams are there at the same time, I would think that Zev/Justin caught the Cowboys.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 05, 2011, 04:25:42 PM
I think teams were bunched by an hours of operation, the location of the RB.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: theschnauzers on March 05, 2011, 04:30:56 PM
Since the intro featured Mt. Fuji, and there is the means of using bullet trains back to Narita for teams to fly out, the possibility of a longer drive or transportation trip away from the Tokyo area for the pit stop makes a lot of sense.
IIRC, that sort of thing was done in previous visits to Japan. And if the order of tasks is generally headed away from Tokyo, the further out pit stop would make even more sense. The long trip rushing to the pit stop would create the sort of tension and drama TPTB seem to like these days.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on March 05, 2011, 04:45:00 PM
I think teams were bunched by an hours of operation, the location of the RB.
You just think or you have evidence? The first group cleared the airport around 715 am and second group about 830 am. If they had to drive or were driven to get cars in downtown Tokyo that is almost 1.5-2 hours. Then drive to RB west of Tokyo about another hour. Surely the RB location was open by 1000 am. They may have some sort of route marker before...but I would think that would be at the car carosel, then directions/instructions to the RB. I just dont see the second group catching the first group.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on March 05, 2011, 04:54:02 PM
Since the intro featured Mt. Fuji, and there is the means of using bullet trains back to Narita for teams to fly out, the possibility of a longer drive or transportation trip away from the Tokyo area for the pit stop makes a lot of sense.
IIRC, that sort of thing was done in previous visits to Japan. And if the order of tasks is generally headed away from Tokyo, the further out pit stop would make even more sense. The long trip rushing to the pit stop would create the sort of tension and drama TPTB seem to like these days.
It does seem to me to be a very long linear leg coming up.....from Narita to the far side of Fuji. As you said, WRP does like legs like this. Gives them lots of footage to create driving drama to the Pit Stop. Sort of like in Iceland in TAR6. Plus lots and lots of opportunities for great HD shots.
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Post by: MamaT on March 05, 2011, 05:12:28 PM
Have we discussed these shots? It looks like Big Easy could be leading a group of people walking. Notice that BE is holding a stick with a light blue flag on it and all the people are wearing matching colored visors, and it looks like he is directing/blocking traffic to get his group across the street. It reminds me of the task in TAR 15 where teams had to lead a group of people from the tv studio.
It seems as if we may have some unaccounnted time in the leg, could this be an additional task?
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Post by: Chateau d If on March 05, 2011, 05:15:23 PM
I'm finding a new location match for the frog hunt in the mud:
The location is the town of Madarame. I found a nearby Panoramio (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/22490744) shot that was an astonishing mountain line match to the Kisha & Jen Running shot.
I think teams were bunched by an hours of operation, the location of the RB.
You just think or you have evidence? The first group cleared the airport around 715 am and second group about 830 am. If they had to drive or were driven to get cars in downtown Tokyo that is almost 1.5-2 hours. Then drive to RB west of Tokyo about another hour. Surely the RB location was open by 1000 am. They may have some sort of route marker before...but I would think that would be at the car carosel, then directions/instructions to the RB. I just dont see the second group catching the first group.
I guess it was just spec. I also tend to think there is a route marker involving the car tumbler; why else would they include it on the promo?
I'm not sure that the flight differences end up mattering though because Gary and Mallory were on the first one and Zev and Justin on the second. I was originally saying the cowboys caught up because it looks like G/M and Z/J arrive at that detour option first. I am thinking that Gallory finds the frog quick and the cowboys get there while Z/J are still searching.
Great work, as always Chateau!
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Oh, and the sun's reflection off Zev's back is perfect for a setting sun at about 240 deg azimuth.
That's what I was thinking too! :lol:
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Post by: MamaT on March 05, 2011, 06:44:09 PM
I can't tell...I was thinking Justin. Whoever it is does an incredible mud dive and clearly comes up happy, presumably with the froggie.
Zev seemed pretty perturbed by the mud in the first promos, which would be not uncommon for Aspergers, so I :duno:
Well, he's obviously less bothered by it than I would be. Although I hate cold water, I hate getting dirty even less, so I'd go for the cold water one.
Belle Book
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Post by: georgiapeach on March 05, 2011, 08:11:27 PM
Mud promo up in post 2!
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Post by: DrRox on March 05, 2011, 09:06:27 PM
Just some thoughts.........or spec if you like.
1) the car park is at Terminal 2, Narita.........from the spotter at the airport....the crew hustled the teams off to their cars when they cleared customs. This might explain why it takes teams so long to get to Kamakura....they dont know the way and have to spend a lot of time asking directions.
2) Jamie/Cara missed a freeway split and got on the wrong freeway, pulled off to get directions or turn around and then had the crash trying to get back on the freeway. GE driving directions from Narita to Kamakura is close to that accident.
3) the chest bumper is Cord. Peach, instead of Justin taking that face plant, I think it is Cord. Cord does not have a suntan. Justin does. The body diving in the mud does not have a tan. The person doing that dive, saw a frog and is diving for it, before anyone else sees it.
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Post by: Chateau d If on March 05, 2011, 09:21:38 PM
I thought the mud jumper was one of the hired-hand mud slingers :duno:
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Post by: georgiapeach on March 05, 2011, 09:34:31 PM
I am not convinced about Cord even being there. :lol:
My Random thoughts:
J/C are playing catch up...do they also get a penalty?
Luke is posting that he drove in Japan...which may be illegal. Also hinting that there could be a penalty for that.
Luke and Margie clearly will be forced to do mud...as Luke cannot hear the song that must be learned. Really, CBS?? grrr.
DO M&M come back and try the muid?? Or are they donedonedone and Phil goes to them?
Could our Pitstop be the floating shrine area, since we have no idea why we are seeing that?
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Post by: DrRox on March 05, 2011, 10:28:32 PM
Who gets to the mud pit first????
Jet and Cord (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Japan/press%20photos/18-3-press5.jpg)
Gary and Mallory (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Japan/Detour%20Mud/18-3-detour-mud-CAPS1809.jpg)
Kisha and Jen (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Japan/promo%201/18-3-pr1caps0569.jpg)
Zev and Justin (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Japan/Detour%20Mud/18-3-detour-mud-CAPS0904.jpg)
You can see their vehicles and tents in the background of the Zev/Justin photo.
Kent and Vyxen (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Japan/press%20photos/18-3-press6.jpg)
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Post by: georgiapeach on March 05, 2011, 10:43:34 PM
Thank goodness someone is paying attention!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 05, 2011, 10:44:32 PM
Just rewatched the preview...is Kent singing too in the rB? If so both a RB and a Detour have a non-deaf friendly challenge.
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Post by: DrRox on March 05, 2011, 11:21:46 PM
TarJunkie999 identified this as in Hiroshima. Hiroshima is at the far western end of the Inland Sea......way way at the end of Honshu Island. Hiroshima is near Kure past Osaka if you hunt it down on GE. It is so far away as to be VERY impractical to be the Pit Stop.
No. 1 appears to be the famous floating torii at Itsukushima Shrine, in Hiroshima prefecture. A bit out of the way, but makes for a pretty shot for television. :colors
Looks like the tent is designated as a male changing room. Hopefully Keisha & Jen respect the sign this time. ;)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on March 06, 2011, 08:47:55 AM
Well, I think that they are playing with the "light" in the previews. It looks so much darker, than in the released still photos. It looks to me that, that one guy is reaching down to get a handful of mud to throw. If so, it aint Jet. But all will be very clear tonight....
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Post by: Chateau d If on March 06, 2011, 08:53:34 AM
Gary & Mallory (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Japan/Detour%20Mud/18-3-detour-mud-CAPS1809.jpg)
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Post by: DrRox on March 06, 2011, 09:01:41 AM
I think you are pretty dead on, Chateau!!
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Post by: Prophet on March 06, 2011, 02:16:29 PM
So what in the world happens to Gary and Mallory, they are on the first flight. I can't imagine Gary struggling with the RB either. But then again their troubles have never been with tasks, but between them. They're like the cowboys that way.
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Post by: georgiapeach on March 06, 2011, 02:22:23 PM
Finding a frog in that mud is a needle in the haystack challenge...it could take forever.
PLUS...we really don't know where the pitstop is...if there is still more driving/possibility of getting lost...then I think the finish order at the MAT may be quite a bit different from the finish order at the RB.
And we cannot say that the Trotters/water detourers are ahead of mudders either....we don't know.
So I would be cautious at claiming the RB finish times for the MAT times...I personally am not sure they connect.
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Post by: Prophet on March 06, 2011, 02:25:57 PM
I was just wondering why G/M apparently took so long to arrive at the mud. Maybe they got lost again?
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Post by: georgiapeach on March 06, 2011, 02:32:15 PM
Not sure they did take "so long" is what I am saying... possibly, anyway!
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Post by: Prophet on March 06, 2011, 02:36:42 PM
Chateau said they arrive at the detour last (except for probably the redheads.) It does appear to be darker when they start and no one else is there except Z/J so it looks like they are far behind.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 06, 2011, 02:43:55 PM
No one else is there that we are shown....
I suspect from the predominence of screencaps this episode that things may be different than we are being shown is all. But that is just a guess!
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Post by: DrRox on March 06, 2011, 02:48:05 PM
Yep.......anytime CBS gives us so many different teams at one task.......always fishy.
Plus we know that Mel/Mike do it too.
As you already said Peach....probably Margie and Luke have to do it to, because of the speech they have to make at the other detour.....
I still think they are fudging around with the light content on the videos.....we will see tonight.
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Post by: georgiapeach on March 06, 2011, 02:49:06 PM
Did we mention this?
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Zev/Justin released apx 12:00pm; Herb/Nate released apx 12:10pm; Jet/Cord released apx 12:11pm; Margie/Luke released apx 12:12 pm; LaKisha/Jen released apx 12:13 pm
and of course we know now that K/J were in 4th not 5th place.
So will we see this flip tonight for some time credit reason? Or do we think this was just a mis-read start order??
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Post by: georgiapeach on March 06, 2011, 02:50:59 PM
Plus we know that Mel/Mike do it too.
Why? I was thinking they prob did the cold water one. What did I miss? ???
And yeah...they are onto Chateau. :funny:
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Post by: DrRox on March 06, 2011, 03:00:15 PM
Plus I wouldn't think that two minutes under the water would lead to cause hypothermia. But spending a lot of time in that cold mud would. It has to do with the Laws of Thermodynamics. There are a whole lot more cold molecules/compounds to suck the heat out of the racers in that mud pit, than in that 2 minute waterfall. Plus it is the needle in the haystack. The longer you look, the colder you get.
I think the clips always show the first team to arrive at the task. I can't remember one that didn't.
Not necessarily.
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Post by: DrRox on March 06, 2011, 03:47:11 PM
Probably not to much mud at the waterfall.....some sand and gravel in the pool I would assume. The clay/silt particles that make up "mud" would be carried downstream by the velocity of the water. Certainly on the bank, but not as much mud as Mel/Mike have on them. They got mud "thrown" on them.
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Post by: georgiapeach on March 06, 2011, 03:49:17 PM
Okay...just looked at the Preview again. Kent is def chanting at the RB. If that is a requirement...then Margie will have to do it.
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Post by: mswood on March 06, 2011, 05:08:20 PM
In season 14 didn't they tell Margie & Luke when a RB required speech or hearing?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: mswood on March 06, 2011, 05:10:46 PM
ANd previously has the studio ever shown the full tasks (not edited previews) where it wasn't the first teams to arrive at that location?
All I can remember is Connor & Jonathan learning geography (they were first), and the looking for a lantern after the repel (where we saw the first two lead teams).
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Post by: Prophet on March 06, 2011, 05:45:40 PM
ANd previously has the studio ever shown the full tasks (not edited previews) where it wasn't the first teams to arrive at that location?
All I can remember is Connor & Jonathan learning geography (they were first), and the looking for a lantern after the repel (where we saw the first two lead teams).
This is exactly what I was saying. The only other one was last week when M/L and Z/J were doing the kangaroos first.
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Post by: georgiapeach on March 06, 2011, 05:49:42 PM
I thought you meant previews... :-[
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Post by: DrRox on March 06, 2011, 06:13:10 PM
I think the clips always show the first team to arrive at the task. I can't remember one that didn't.
Not necessarily.
I don't remember the clips always showing the first team at the task too. :lol:
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Post by: Slowhatch on March 06, 2011, 08:42:01 PM
The Perry monument is here (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hq&spn=0.012814,0.027874&z=16&layer=c&cbll=35.223987,139.712577&panoid=yXtAbBAQk0r6v6jXwGYf4A&cbp=12,296.74,,0,8.46), at the heel of the "boot." The Kintaro cluebox was at the Daiyuzan station (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39558003). I should have the parking garage in a couple of hours.
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Post by: georgiapeach on March 06, 2011, 08:54:05 PM
Oh lovely!!
Then can I have a new map :please: with ALL the locations?? :hearts:
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Post by: DrRox on March 06, 2011, 08:56:21 PM
I am sure that Neobie is working on the correct map as we speak......lol
That picture of the SW side of Mt. Fuji in the Intro Caps is just that, an Intro cap.......
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Post by: georgiapeach on March 06, 2011, 08:57:07 PM
Neobie is traveling....he may not even have seen the ep yet.
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Post by: DrRox on March 06, 2011, 09:00:31 PM
Neobie is traveling....he may not even have seen the ep yet.
He was logged on just before it started and in the middle......
The Pit Stop in Kurihama puts the teams on a train line with direct access to Narita.....no changing trains. Pretty smart of TPTB.
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Post by: BayBay on March 06, 2011, 10:25:29 PM
Looks like teams were given information about how to get to the airport...not Impressed!!
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Post by: loosekanen on March 06, 2011, 11:09:04 PM
Love the site. Been a lurker for a long time and a TAR watcher since night 1 when I decided TAR was WAY better than "Lost" (not that LOST.) Hopefully my karma from 1 casting spoiler like 3 years ago leads someone to answer my question. I'm going to start by copying something I wrote on another forum I'm active on:
"R&C should have absolutely left the trotters' stuff at the detour. Worst case: they have to race back with the Trotters for their gear, Trotters are then penalized 30 minutes after maybe beating them in a foot race by like 20 seconds and are eliminated. I wouldn't be surprised if something happened behind the scenes that we didn't see wrt producers making the call on gear swap at the pit stop. It's possible things went down and the trotters were sweating elimination except for the Mel & Mike quitting and the producers just decided to edit it differently."
I know this site is famous for inside info. Does anyone have a copy of the rule that applies here or any information on why this was skimmed over. Is this the first time someone has left something at a task and didn't have to go back for it? As a devoted race follower I felt a bit cheated by this development. Or lack thereof.
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Post by: theschnauzers on March 06, 2011, 11:16:44 PM
Some seasons back, we were introduced to a rule that Racers could not impede other Racers . The incident at that time was IIRC Meredith and Gretchen taking a vehicle after a task that was being used by another team, and that team had left their backpacks and fanny pack in the trunk. This was because M/G had damaged their own vehicle on the way to the task.
They were assessed a 30 minute penalty. The penalty accessed in this leg totally fit within the rule the way it was explained in that earlier season.
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Post by: georgiapeach on March 06, 2011, 11:18:31 PM
I just wish it they had given the Trotters the penalty when they checked in...not after the fact. Phil should have known all this...bad that his production people didn't get the word to him.
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Post by: loosekanen on March 06, 2011, 11:22:33 PM
And if Ron & Christina had left the Trotters' stuff at the task? That's the crux of my question.
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Post by: moox03 on March 06, 2011, 11:23:21 PM
FYI it was Don and Mary Jean, not Meredith and Gretchen
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Post by: north09 on March 06, 2011, 11:41:40 PM
And if Ron & Christina had left the Trotters' stuff at the task? That's the crux of my question.
Does it matter? Herb & Nate only fell two places. It wasn't a crucial penalty that eliminated them or forced them to fall to the back of the pack.
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Post by: loosekanen on March 06, 2011, 11:52:26 PM
In terms of strategy I feel like it matters significantly. If you consider the only thing mattering to be beating one team to the mat, which in the early legs would be my focus, it doesn't make sense to take their things with you. You want to make them have to race back for them AND incur a penalty for taking your things instead of doing what R&C supposedly did as shown by the editing.
If I was in that situation I would sit my butt down until Herb and Nate came back with my stuff, followed them to the pit stop, and taken a guaranteed no worse than second to last place.
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Post by: theschnauzers on March 07, 2011, 12:09:35 AM
The key to this is that the Trotters took the fanny pack and didn't try to let Ron and Christina know what had happened. It cost them a lot of time before Ron stumbled across it in the changing room, and that is the crux of the penalty -- because the travel documents are kept in the fanny packs.
And it may well have been Don and Mary Jean --(I recalled that it was an older couple, I couldn't remember who, and I recall what happened, and how the penalty was described since as far as I know that was the first time it has been assessed.)
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Post by: north09 on March 07, 2011, 12:13:58 AM
In terms of strategy I feel like it matters significantly. If you consider the only thing mattering to be beating one team to the mat, which in the early legs would be my focus, it doesn't make sense to take their things with you. You want to make them have to race back for them AND incur a penalty for taking your things instead of doing what R&C supposedly did as shown by the editing.
If I was in that situation I would sit my butt down until Herb and Nate came back with my stuff, followed them to the pit stop, and taken a guaranteed no worse than second to last place.
In terms of strategy I feel like it matters significantly. If you consider the only thing mattering to be beating one team to the mat, which in the early legs would be my focus, it doesn't make sense to take their things with you. You want to make them have to race back for them AND incur a penalty for taking your things instead of doing what R&C supposedly did as shown by the editing.
If I was in that situation I would sit my butt down until Herb and Nate came back with my stuff, followed them to the pit stop, and taken a guaranteed no worse than second to last place.
I can't say I'd feel safe cutting it that close when I have a chance to finish in the top and deal with it at the pit stop. Thats the logic Ron & Christina were using I assume.
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Post by: Slowhatch on March 07, 2011, 12:47:07 AM
It took a little longer than I thought. The parking garage is only a block or so from Shibuya station (viewpoint (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Shibuya,+Tokyo,+Japan&aq=1&sll=35.674441,139.767702&sspn=0.006406,0.013937&g=1-7-7+Ginza,Chuo-ku,TOKYO&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Shibuya,+Tokyo,+Japan&ll=35.660992,139.702811&spn=0.001602,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=35.660993,139.702883&panoid=N_rvxyhS_jDhA5Ipded3FQ&cbp=12,219.94,,0,-2.2))
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Post by: Chateau d If on March 07, 2011, 12:51:29 AM
Does anybody recognize these plates? :lol3:
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Post by: Jobby on March 07, 2011, 12:53:03 AM
The last time it happened was with Don and MJ and Adam and Rebecca. Don and MJ took Adam and Rebecca's car and Adam and Rebecca had to wait for Don and MJ to realise their mistake, drive back and return their car i think.
This was an obvious case of impeding the progress of another team. If Ron and Christina were to make their way to the pitstop had Ron not see their fanny pack, then some other devastating changes might happen. You know on the race that all your travel documents are in the fanny pack and you don't want to lose them. What FT and BE did was extremely selfish as they realied their mistake that they took Ron and Chris's fanny packs by mistake and DIDN'T bother to go all the way back to return because they don't want to lose their lead. Just shows how cut-throat type of players they are. (This is Mika incident all over again) :res:
I kinda wished that the first flight didn't get delayed or what.. then FT and BE MIGHT... actually get eliminated. :res:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: BayBay on March 07, 2011, 12:59:18 AM
Two things I picked up so far:
- Teams were given instructions on how to get to airport from Central :naughty: - Clues after mud detour were laminated = good thinking WRP!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on March 07, 2011, 01:58:53 AM
So far the most fun about Unfinished Business is watching Ron meltdown. Episode 1, it was Kent/Vyxen. Episode 2 it was Mallory. Episode 3 it was Globetrotters.....I wonder if the hospital trip is because he has a stroke before the end.
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Post by: Dånooky on March 07, 2011, 02:05:25 AM
The last time it happened was with Don and MJ and Adam and Rebecca. Don and MJ took Adam and Rebecca's car and Adam and Rebecca had to wait for Don and MJ to realise their mistake, drive back and return their car i think.
This was an obvious case of impeding the progress of another team. If Ron and Christina were to make their way to the pitstop had Ron not see their fanny pack, then some other devastating changes might happen. You know on the race that all your travel documents are in the fanny pack and you don't want to lose them. What FT and BE did was extremely selfish as they realied their mistake that they took Ron and Chris's fanny packs by mistake and DIDN'T bother to go all the way back to return because they don't want to lose their lead. Just shows how cut-throat type of players they are. (This is Mika incident all over again) :res:
I kinda wished that the first flight didn't get delayed or what.. then FT and BE MIGHT... actually get eliminated. :res:
Have you ever thought it could have been a honest mistake?
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Post by: Caelestor on March 07, 2011, 02:11:10 AM
I'm probably going to have to rewatch this scene, because I thought that the Globetrotters made an honest mistake. I mean, why would you take someone else's travel docs knowingly? You're still not going to get out of the country unless you have your own passports. Now if they noticed on the car (not sure if there's any evidence of it), there's two options: go back (but R/C may have left) or just head to Pit Stop and sort it out there.
It doesn't help that the editing was severely rushed towards the end, so all we got were R/C's perspective and a an after-the-fact mention from Phil, so the details are very obscure.
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Post by: redskevin88 on March 07, 2011, 02:14:12 AM
The last time it happened was with Don and MJ and Adam and Rebecca. Don and MJ took Adam and Rebecca's car and Adam and Rebecca had to wait for Don and MJ to realise their mistake, drive back and return their car i think.
This was an obvious case of impeding the progress of another team. If Ron and Christina were to make their way to the pitstop had Ron not see their fanny pack, then some other devastating changes might happen. You know on the race that all your travel documents are in the fanny pack and you don't want to lose them. What FT and BE did was extremely selfish as they realied their mistake that they took Ron and Chris's fanny packs by mistake and DIDN'T bother to go all the way back to return because they don't want to lose their lead. Just shows how cut-throat type of players they are. (This is Mika incident all over again) :res:
I kinda wished that the first flight didn't get delayed or what.. then FT and BE MIGHT... actually get eliminated. :res:
Have you ever thought it could have been a honest mistake?
Yeah, once they saw Ron's reading glasses and Christina's lip balm, moisturizer and face cream, surely they would recognize they got the wrong fanny packs?
If I was in that situation I would sit my butt down until Herb and Nate came back with my stuff, followed them to the pit stop, and taken a guaranteed no worse than second to last place.
Yeah, and loose, at that point, none of the teams knew of Mel & Mike's collapse (although they could have guessed) and nobody knew where Jamie & Cara was.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Dånooky on March 07, 2011, 02:26:33 AM
Yeah, once they saw Ron's reading glasses and Christina's lip balm, moisturizer and face cream, surely they would recognize they got the wrong fanny packs?
They don't keep those things in the fannypack, those are kept in the backpack
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on March 07, 2011, 02:34:38 AM
I will be funny if next week Ron gets a penalty for throwing rocks at the bus.........bus abuse!!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Jobby on March 07, 2011, 02:57:33 AM
The last time it happened was with Don and MJ and Adam and Rebecca. Don and MJ took Adam and Rebecca's car and Adam and Rebecca had to wait for Don and MJ to realise their mistake, drive back and return their car i think.
This was an obvious case of impeding the progress of another team. If Ron and Christina were to make their way to the pitstop had Ron not see their fanny pack, then some other devastating changes might happen. You know on the race that all your travel documents are in the fanny pack and you don't want to lose them. What FT and BE did was extremely selfish as they realied their mistake that they took Ron and Chris's fanny packs by mistake and DIDN'T bother to go all the way back to return because they don't want to lose their lead. Just shows how cut-throat type of players they are. (This is Mika incident all over again) :res:
I kinda wished that the first flight didn't get delayed or what.. then FT and BE MIGHT... actually get eliminated. :res:
Have you ever thought it could have been a honest mistake?
I always thought it was a honest mistake. But their mistake caused the loss of precious time of another team. If they took the racepack, realized their mistake and had the decency to go back and return to Ron/Chris.. i wouldn't be as pissed. But by not saying a single word/mentioning anything about it and throwing it on Ron's clothings.. who would have thought... Ron/Chris could have spent an entire afternoon looking for the fanny pack on the mountain... But i'm just glad they received a penalty for it. :tup:
And not trying to entirely shield Ron here because he has been very edgy and rude for the past 2 legs once again. This leg i can understand his frustration with globetrotters, but last leg.. there was no point with being rude to Mallory or even his own daughter. :(
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: kenchan on March 07, 2011, 06:46:31 AM
Sorry folks for the delay in jumping in!
I was partially involved in the live spoilage of this leg as I fwded info from the TAR18 live sightings thread to my community in Japan, where one of the members, Kuni, took his own precious time to go to Narita on an early weekday morning to spot the teams coming off of the delayed Cathay Pacific flight at Narita T2 Exit B. (Hats off to Kuni!)
A few notes about this leg...
* Kuni mentioned that the teams coming out of Exit B headed straight into cars waiting outside the terminal building. I have a feeling that the teams just got a ride from Narita to Shibuya, unlike the first time they visited in TAR9 (where the teams had to get a car from the nearby Hotel Nikko and drive themselves to Tokyo)
* The "vending machine" parking lot was at the POLA Shibuya Building, located at 1-25-21 Shibuya, Shibuya-ku, Tokyo. Just a 3 minute walk north from the Shibuya station. http://www.n-p-d.co.jp/search/003/005/post_58.html
* Right before Jaime/Cara had that side-view mirror accident, the blue road sign ((http://)NOTE to Peach, can you help me post the screen cap for this road sign?) showed that they were headed westbound under Shuto Expressway #3, headed for Route 246 towards Atsugi, 300m before the intersection with Yamate-dori (to the left, Gotanda, to the right, Hatsudai). This is near Dougenzaka, so they were just on their way out of the Shibuya-area.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=%E5%8D%97%E5%B9%B3%E5%8F%B0%E7%94%BA&aq=&sll=35.654158,139.693136&sspn=0.012414,0.009506&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Japan,+Tokyo+Shibuya%E5%8D%97%E5%B9%B3%E5%8F%B0%E7%94%BA&z=14 Not sure if the collision happened there. Probably not too far ahead. If anyone wants to check out the Google Street View and match up the caps, go for it!
* We knew from the TAR18 Live Sightings thread that the teams were going to go to the Tsurugaoka Hachimangu Shrine in Kamakura. Yabusame is held annually on September 16, so this ritual was a bit off season - nonetheless, the *Yabusame Baba*, as it is formally called, is located within the grounds. http://www.hachimangu.or.jp/about/guidance/top.html <-- on this map, see the big Torii gate on the west side of the map, you'll see the phrase 流鏑馬馬場. http://www.hachimangu.or.jp/about/guidance/cont02.html <-- top left picture
* The Daiyuzan Station is the terminus for the Izu Hakone Daiyuzan Line http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daiy%C5%ABzan_Line From Kamakura, Kisha/Jen went north, probably upto the Atsugi IC, to get on the Tomei Expressway West bound. They probably got off at the Ooi Matsuda IC, which is the closest to the Daiyuzan Station.
* You saw the guesses on the rice paddies where the teams did the Frog of Luck Detour. The Prayer for Purity Detour was probably at the Yuhi-no-taki (sunset falls), near Yagura-dake Peak and Kintoki-Yama, known for the legend of Kintaro. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kintar%C5%8D Yuhi-no-taki: http://www.city.minamiashigara.kanagawa.jp/kankou/spot/yuuhino_taki.html Compare this shot with the screencaps --> http://march-drivestation.seesaa.net/upload/detail/image/yuuhinotaki1-thumbnail2.jpg.html You can say this is in the foothills of Mt. Fuji, but then again, there are a bunch of mountains around there, most notably the Hakone peak just south of this area. (Speculation) Hakone is known for its hot springs and lavish resorts, so I wouldn't be surprised if the teams stayed there for the pit stop.
Just some notes. I hope you find this helpful.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: kenchan on March 07, 2011, 07:32:22 AM
In the background, behind the man on the cellphone, was a store called "Hanko-ya-san 21", a chain store that makes family name stamps on order. The store website is here: http://standard2.pmx.proatlas.net/x7349m21/user_page.php?id=x7349m21&c=35/38/34.386,139/42/0.242&layer=1&t=%E3%81%AF%E3%82%93%E3%81%93%E5%B1%8B%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%EF%BC%92%EF%BC%91%E3%80%80%E4%B8%AD%E7%9B%AE%E9%BB%92%E5%BA%97&pos=I1:P35/38/34.386,139/42/0.242&tx=%E3%80%92153-0042%0D%0A%E6%9D%B1%E4%BA%AC%E9%83%BD%E7%9B%AE%E9%BB%92%E5%8C%BA%E9%9D%92%E8%91%89%E5%8F%B01-30-10%0D%0ATEL%EF%BC%9A03-5768-3212%0D%0AFAX%EF%BC%9A03-5768-3213
Jaime/Cara were headed south east on the Yamate-dori in Aobadai near Nakameguro. This is in the direction of the Meguro-dori, which is yet another way to get on the Daisan Keihin Expway (the road the Ron/Chris took from the Tamagawa IC), but would be a bit slower... The road sign that was shown right before this - that I mentioned earlier - was probably indeed taken right before they took a left turn onto Yamate-dori. I wonder if they were trying to get on the Meguro-dori to get on the Daisan-Keihin? If so, that's a bit of a roundabout way, as the Meguro-dori would have lots of stop lights.
So clearly they were lost when this happened. Had they gone straight through that intersection, they would have found Route 246, which would have gotten them to the Tamagawa IC to get on the Daisan Keihin Expway, just like Ron/Chris did earlier. That was a COSTLY LEFT TURN at Dougenzaka.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 07, 2011, 08:30:27 AM
Quote from: kenchan
I have a feeling that the teams just got a ride from Narita to Shibuya
Yes, that's right. Although the editing wanted us to think the garage was somewhere near the terminal, for a few frames you can see the airport taxis lined up at Shibuya. About Natural Lawsons/Hanko, maybe that's just the place they exchanged information and talked to police.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: kenchan on March 07, 2011, 08:39:31 AM
About Natural Lawsons/Hanko, maybe that's just the place they exchanged information and talked to police.
I thought the victim's car was not moving at the time - or was it? Nonetheless, that location is almost 1km away from the Shuto Expressway #3/Rt 246 intersection with Yamate-dori. I would think they stopped right after hitting that man's side view mirror...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: kenchan on March 07, 2011, 08:45:51 AM
The Prayer for Purity Detour was probably at the Yuhi-no-taki (sunset falls), near Yagura-dake Peak and Kintoki-Yama, known for the legend of Kintaro. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kintar%C5%8D
OFFTOPIC: Speaking of Kintaro and TAR in Japan, anyone seen this? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3067683435545761102#
I do wonder if the producers had Tyler's nickname in mind when they chose the Minami-Ashigara area as their location...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 07, 2011, 09:04:13 AM
Is this the sign you were looking for?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: kenchan on March 07, 2011, 09:13:39 AM
The last time it happened was with Don and MJ and Adam and Rebecca. Don and MJ took Adam and Rebecca's car and Adam and Rebecca had to wait for Don and MJ to realise their mistake, drive back and return their car i think.
This was an obvious case of impeding the progress of another team. If Ron and Christina were to make their way to the pitstop had Ron not see their fanny pack, then some other devastating changes might happen. You know on the race that all your travel documents are in the fanny pack and you don't want to lose them. What FT and BE did was extremely selfish as they realied their mistake that they took Ron and Chris's fanny packs by mistake and DIDN'T bother to go all the way back to return because they don't want to lose their lead. Just shows how cut-throat type of players they are. (This is Mika incident all over again) :res:
I kinda wished that the first flight didn't get delayed or what.. then FT and BE MIGHT... actually get eliminated. :res:
Have you ever thought it could have been a honest mistake?
Yes, I do think it was a honest mistake. However, if you sabotage a team, whether it was intentional or not, you should be penalized. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Prophet on March 07, 2011, 09:45:50 AM
I'm not convinced Ron ever changed; I just think he got a redemption arc edit in TAR 12 because there wasn't much interesting to do on that season after Azaria and Hendekea were eliminated unfairly. As a side bar note, they had more unfinished business than anyone or TAR 18, as did Brad and Victoria from TAR 14. But no matter. As for the Globetrotters' fanny pack moving incident, I can't tell whether or not it was intentional. I tend to think they were having one of their "duh" moments. I think TPTB slapped them with a minor penalty for show, because they themselves could not interpret their motives.
All in all, it was an interesting episode. The tasks are definitely much harder this season than usual.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: chill_sd on March 07, 2011, 10:53:32 AM
And if Ron & Christina had left the Trotters' stuff at the task? That's the crux of my question.
The Globetrotters didn't leave any of their own stuff behind. One of them (Flight Time, I think) accidentally picked up Ron and Christina's fanny pack. This was an honest mistake. Where they made an intentional mistake was in not returning the fanny pack to its original location, or at least informing Ron and Christina that they left it in the changing room. Had they let Ron know, I don't think they would have been penalized.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Coutzy on March 07, 2011, 11:51:19 AM
And if Ron & Christina had left the Trotters' stuff at the task? That's the crux of my question.
The Globetrotters didn't leave any of their own stuff behind. One of them (Flight Time, I think) accidentally picked up Ron and Christina's fanny pack. This was an honest mistake. Where they made an intentional mistake was in not returning the fanny pack to its original location, or at least informing Ron and Christina that they left it in the changing room. Had they let Ron know, I don't think they would have been penalized.
I am fairly certain the penalty gets applied as soon as you touch and/or move their fanny pack.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Caelestor on March 07, 2011, 01:10:06 PM
And if Ron & Christina had left the Trotters' stuff at the task? That's the crux of my question.
The Globetrotters didn't leave any of their own stuff behind. One of them (Flight Time, I think) accidentally picked up Ron and Christina's fanny pack. This was an honest mistake. Where they made an intentional mistake was in not returning the fanny pack to its original location, or at least informing Ron and Christina that they left it in the changing room. Had they let Ron know, I don't think they would have been penalized.
After rewatching the scene, I agree they made an honest mistake. Since there's very little evidence of what happened after awards (this wasn't mentioned until teams had jumped to the Pit Stop), I'm guessing that they didn't look inside the bag to make sure their documents were actually inside until much later.
The point is, they definitely deserved that penalty for tampering with other racers' possessions, unintentionally or intentionally. I think a team in an older race was also hit with this penalty, so there's precedent.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: slayton on March 07, 2011, 05:13:21 PM
The Onion A.V. Club has posted the recap for Episode 3:
Yeah, once they saw Ron's reading glasses and Christina's lip balm, moisturizer and face cream, surely they would recognize they got the wrong fanny packs?
They don't keep those things in the fannypack, those are kept in the backpack
I was being overly sarcastic.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on March 08, 2011, 03:28:21 PM
It looks like they were about a mile away when the car owner and police caught up with them (viewpoint (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq&ll=35.646146,139.696677&spn=0.006408,0.013937&z=17&layer=c&cbll=35.646184,139.6966&panoid=-GPinIzmRHQvOo5YuCy5rw&cbp=12,42.25,,0,3.54)).
Maybe this from Mel's post elimination interview on RTVW can help:
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Mel White: Yeah, they did. They did. In these Japanese towns, you ask people and so many don't speak English and then you can't see any signs or understand them. Then at night, and they've just gone through two wrecks, you know? -- two incidents in their car -- So, they were really confused about getting back to the Pit Stop.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 08, 2011, 07:13:19 PM
No, I was wrong about that, and kenchan was right. It's hard to see with the lighting, but the reaction shot takes place next to a chain restaurant called Tsukiji Sushiko (http://www.tsukiji-sushiko.com/shop/SUSH_E0321.htm), less than 100 yds. from where they exchanged info. So they pulled over almost at once.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on March 08, 2011, 07:28:14 PM
Locations of the tasks of TAR18.......Neobie will have a much better one. This one will do for general info.
No, I was wrong about that, and kenchan was right. It's hard to see with the lighting, but the reaction shot takes place next to a chain restaurant called Tsukiji Sushiko (http://www.tsukiji-sushiko.com/shop/SUSH_E0321.htm), less than 100 yds. from where they exchanged info. So they pulled over almost at once.
very keen observation! So, I wonder if this is the first or second accident, then. This location is about 0.6 miles = 1km from that left turn onto Yamate dori...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Dånooky on March 09, 2011, 07:36:09 PM
Probably the redheads got bad taxi cab driver karma transferring to their car.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: DrRox on March 10, 2011, 10:48:27 PM
First off I want to say I dont have a dog in this hunt. Penalty or no penalty, it doesnt matter to me. If it was earned, then do it. If it wasnt earned, then no penalty.
I went back and rewatched the episode several times. I think we have some really funny editing going on about Fannypackgate. The Globes go up the hill with their backpacks and drop them and start the detour. We dont really see where they drop them. Christina comes up there and drops her fanny pack. Again, we dont see where she puts it. When the Globes finish, they pick up their stuff and go down the hill. Christina and Ron finish and the hunt begins for the fanny pack. Did she put it right next to the Globes backpacks, close enough that they might think it was theirs? Did she put it far enough away from the Globes backpacks, that there would be no mistaking her fanny pack for their own fannypack? We dont know this and in the past, TPTB always showed all the "action" that lead to penalties.
When Ron/Christina arrived at the mat and complain. Phil starts talking and we can see his lips moving in sync with what is being said. When he gets to the part about giving the Globes the penalty, the camera angle switches to a face shot of Ron/Christina. We do not see Phil's lips moving when he says he will give them a 30 minute penalty. Also, when he says it, there is absolutely NO reaction from Ron/Christina........just blank stares.
So personally, I think there was a lot of creative editing going on to create drama. And from judging from all the reactions, it worked. It will be interesting to see this week how/if it is all explained. If not next Sunday......then lots of good questions for people that attend TARcon18.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: BayBay on March 10, 2011, 11:30:58 PM
It was one of the Phil voice-overs like when he is giving out the first place prize (aka advertising for Travelocity :lol: ) He might of said something like: "I will investigate this" and then the production decided to give a penalty.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 10, 2011, 11:46:20 PM
Fwiw, the insider video "Foul Play" now only plays for a few seconds before cutting out with the message "the video you have requested is unavailable or may have expired." The caption read "One team intentionally moves the fanny pack of another team to throw a wrench in their game." Call my cynical, but I think the producers tagged the penalty at the start rather than the finish because of flight bunching.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 11, 2011, 07:19:24 AM
Fwiw, the insider video "Foul Play" now only plays for a few seconds before cutting out with the message "the video you have requested is unavailable or may have expired." The caption read "One team intentionally moves the fanny pack of another team to throw a wrench in their game." Call my cynical, but I think the producers tagged the penalty at the start rather than the finish because of flight bunching.
I can still see it, with the caption One team intentionally moves the fanny pack of another team to throw a wrench in their game.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: Chateau d If on March 11, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
It was one of the Phil voice-overs like when he is giving out the first place prize (aka advertising for Travelocity :lol: ) He might of said something like: "I will investigate this" and then the production decided to give a penalty.
Yes, it sounded like a voiceover to me as well. Based on the video, the Globetrotters may have purposely tampered with the fanny pack. It seems as thought they were trying to be quiet about it so that it wasn't caught on camera.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: kenchan on March 12, 2011, 11:03:33 AM
So the curse continues: :groan: 8.9 Earthquake in Japan
FYI - Peach sent me a message asking me to convey the thoughts and prayers of the TAR team here at RFF to our friends over at the mixi.jp TAR community.
Aftershocks STILL continue into the 2nd day - and they're not just in the Tohoku region where the initial shocks occured (especially the Iwate, Miyagi and Fukushima prefectures along the Pacific coast), but also in the mountains in the Nagano (site of the 1998 Winter Olympics) and Niigata (along the coast of the Sea of Japan) prefectures. Despite all of the damage, the people of Japan seem calm and united - as I have seen in news reports - crime rates are low (as was the case after the Hanshin Quake in 1995), and there's no reported pushing/shoving/chaos caused by panicked out people. You gotta give it to the Japanese people - they are handling this as well as they can.
I know some mixi.jp TAR members are safe, as I have seen their tweets after the quake. I hope they are ALL safe.
Also during this Sunday's TAR-UB episode, we'll get to hear Phil's PSA (http://twitter.com/#!/PhilKeoghan/status/46309713733877760), as TAR18-04 will be dedicated to the people of Japan.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 12, 2011, 11:38:22 AM
SUch a scary time...we hope that they are all safe and well. Japan is in all of our minds and hearts this week.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Ep 3: "We Had a Lot of Evil Spirits Apparently" (Japan)
Post by: maf on March 13, 2011, 06:30:04 AM
Looking at the insider videos I notice that Jamie & Care are sitting in the back of a Japanese van (at least there is Japanese looking writing in it). Since they are both clean this must be the transfer from Narita to the parking garage. I.e. they did not take the train.