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Title: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 14, 2011, 03:22:13 PM
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Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 14, 2011, 10:23:20 PM
Press Release:
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TEAMS DRESSED AS KANGAROOS CONTINUE THROUGH AUSTRALIA WHERE ONE TEAM IS BROUGHT TO TEARS WHEN EXHAUSTION THREATENS TO END THEIR RACE, ON "THE AMAZING RACE: UNFINISHED BUSINESS," SUNDAY, FEB. 27
(Outback) - Teams dressed as kangaroos continue through Australia where one Racer reverts to old habits as tempers start to flare, and another Team breaks down in tears from utter exhaustion, on THE AMAZING RACE
From woden's amazing TIMELINE:
ROUTE SUMMARY
EP02: Sydney, Australia to Broken Hill, Australia
Film Date: NOV 23 Air Date: FEB 27
Leg Route/Tasks: ROUTE INFO: Travel by ferry to Sydney EVIDENCE: Live information (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23631.msg575567.html#msg575567)) TIMING: Kent/Vyxsin on ferry at 4:39pm
ROUTE INFO: Find "To Sail To Stop" sculpture at Town Hall and receive next-day flight times (6:00am or 6:30am) EVIDENCE: Local information (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575404.html#msg575404)); teams spotted en route at different locations (Gary/Mallory on Pyrmont Bridge, Gary/Mallory and Ron/Chris at Marriott Hotel) (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575379.html#msg575379)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575382.html#msg575382)), (Source 3 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575390.html#msg575390)), (Video 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575440.html#msg575440)) TIMING: All teams at Town Hall simultaneously except Jet/Cord (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575442.html#msg575442)), (Photos 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575467.html#msg575467)), (Photos 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575469.html#msg575469)), (Photos 3 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575531.html#msg575531)), (Photos 4 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575851.html#msg575851)), (Photos 5 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575883.html#msg575883)) 6:00AM DEPARTURE TIME: Jen/LaKisha, Mike/Mel, Jamie/Cara, Margie/Luke, Zev/Justin, Kent/Vyxsin (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575482.html#msg575482)) 6:30AM DEPARTURE TIME: Herb/Nate, Ron/Christina, Gary/Mallory, Amanda/Kris, Jet/Cord (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575482.html#msg575482))
ROUTE INFO: Fly to Broken Hill, Australia EVIDENCE: Local information (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575506.html#msg575506)), (Photos 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575927.html#msg575927)), (Photo 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23693.msg575919.html#msg575919)) TIMING: Jen/LaKisha, Mel/Mike, Margie/Luke, Jaime/Cara, Kent/Vyxsin, Zev/Justin on ZL9578 (DEP 6:05am; ARR 7:55am); Herb/Nate, Ron/Christina, Amanda/Kris, Gary/Mallory, Jet/Cord on ZL9596 (DEP 6:30am; ARR 8:20am), additional timing information from eyewitness (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575940.html#msg575940))
ROUTE INFO: Drive yourselves to Living Desert Flora & Fauna Sanctuary in Broken Hill EVIDENCE: Sightings with confirmation (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575757.html#msg575757)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575763.html#msg575763)), (Source 3 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575862.html#msg575862)), photos of teams heading toward vehicles for self-driving (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575927.html#msg575927))
ROUTE INFO: Find Memorial Oval EVIDENCE: TV Tonight information (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575863.html#msg575863))
DETOUR?: Dress as kangaroos and hop around town OR... EVIDENCE: Sighting of racers dressed as kangaroos hopping on Gypsum Street, with task ending on Mercury Street (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575798.html#msg575798)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575863.html#msg575863))
POSSIBLE OTHER LOCATIONS/TASKS THIS LEG Outdoor red sand cluebox in Broken Hill - Location unknown EVIDENCE: Sighting with video (Source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK-cCgkMbyg&feature=player_embedded))
Safe from Elimination at End of Leg: Zev/Justin, Herb/Nate, Jet/Cord, Margie/Luke, LaKisha/Jen, Mel/Mike, Kent/Vyxsin, Jamie/Cara, Gary/Mallory, Ron/Christina Possibly Eliminated: Amanda/Kris
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 14, 2011, 10:23:34 PM
I think this is the first time the episode title reference to geography (since CBS began using it) has been to a part of a country and not just the country. But it sort of confirms what we knew from the first two-three days of filming, so it's not a major deal.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 14, 2011, 10:34:05 PM
The term 'outback' is used by Australians to define a non-urban area, therefore any city other than Sydney/Melbourne etc. can be classed as in the 'outback.'
Wikipedia said - The Outback is the remote arid areas of Australia, although the term colloquially can refer to any lands outside of the main urban areas. The term "the outback" is generally used to refer to locations that are comparatively more remote than those areas deemed "the bush".
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 14, 2011, 10:36:01 PM
Sorry guys...for technical reasons I had to do some reorganizing.
If you would like to repost your original comments, that would be great! And I'll delete my quoted ones...
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Coutzy on February 15, 2011, 01:06:59 AM
The term 'outback' is used by Australians to define a non-urban area, therefore any city other than Sydney/Melbourne etc. can be classed as in the 'outback.'
Wikipedia said - The Outback is the remote arid areas of Australia, although the term colloquially can refer to any lands outside of the main urban areas. The term "the outback" is generally used to refer to locations that are comparatively more remote than those areas deemed "the bush".
This is correct. I wouldn't class the location of Survivor 2 to be "Outback" due to the amount of bushland in the area.
Generally speaking, the Outback is the desert areas.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: apskip on February 15, 2011, 07:53:59 AM
This is a note on what defines the Outback, because I would have thought that Broken Hill as a mining town is not part of the desert that I had understood the Outback to be until I researched it and found that I was incorrect. Here is one Australian Outback expert's view of what is included:
OUTBACK ATTRACTIONS
* Ayers Rock/Uluru * Kings Canyon * Kakadu National Park * Litchfield National Park * Nitmiluk/Katherine Gorge
OUTBACK CITIES/TOWNS
* Darwin ( I would not include Darwin in my definition since it is a tropical region with lots of precipitation) * Alice Springs * Coober Pedy
Tourism Australia includes these 6 must-see sights (one in each of the 6 territories of Australia excluding Tasmania) as part of its more inclusive definition of what constitutes the Outback:
1. Flinders Ranges, South Australia - Take a scenic flight and see the monumental splendor of the rock basin of Wilpena Pound roll out beneath you, then explore the legendary waterholes of the Flinders Ranges. See Aboriginal art at Arkaroo Rock and explore the area’s pastoral history at Wilpena Pound Station. Afterwards, head to a friendly pub and taste-test some of the area’s famous bush tucker while swapping stories with the locals.
2. Longreach, Queensland - Join a campfire and hear the poetry of the outback people at the spiritual homeland of the Aussie ‘bushy’. Here you can learn about the history of the outback and the people who call it home at the Stockman’s Hall of Fame. Home of the world’s first flying surgeon and the birthplace of our national airline Qantas, there’s much to do in and around this legendary outback town.
3. Broken Hill, New South Wales - Discover distinctive desert landscapes and an oasis of lakes around the former mining town known as Silver City. Once the world’s largest silver, lead and zinc mine, Broken Hill is now famous for its artists, who draw inspiration from the clear light and expansive vistas. Take a sunset stroll around the Living Desert Sculptures, watch birds around Menindee Lakes and do a radio lesson in the world’s largest virtual classroom at the School of the Air.
4. Glen Helen Gorge, Northern Territory - After trekking through the MacDonnell Ranges, you’ll be overjoyed to reach the broad, cool waterhole of Glen Helen Gorge. This permanent waterhole is a sanctuary for the Finke River’s nine species of fish and migrating waterbirds. Dive in for a refreshing swim then pitch your tent under the stars. You might even spot a black-footed rock wallaby.
5. Kununurra, Western Australia - Explore ridges and ranges 350 million years old and see where rare pink diamonds are mined. Jump on a bull at the local rodeo, catch a huge barramundi or join the crowds at an outback horse race. Dine on mud crab in remote camp restaurants and marvel at the vast and magnificent Lake Argyle. However you experience this diverse region, you can bet you won’t forget it.
6. Mildura, Victoria - This vibrant outback oasis on the Murray River is renowned for its endless sunshine, picturesque vineyards and ancient lunar landscapes. Explore Aboriginal culture in the sand dunes of Lake Mungo or in the sublime World Heritage-listed Willandra Lakes. Dine at award-winning restaurants or cruise past wineries on a house boat or historic paddle steamer. See rugged outback scenery and stunning sunsets from a hot air balloon or tackle them on a four wheel drive.
So Tourism Australia considers Broken Hill to be part of the Outback and most entries when you browse for "Broken Hill" will categorize it as part of the Outback.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: apskip on February 15, 2011, 07:57:21 AM
Prophet:
CBS/World Race Productions has been known to be wrong on many things over the history of the Amazing Race. I wasn't questioning the fact that they listed it that way (which they clearly did), but wanted to see if they were accurate from a geography perspective. It is fortuitous that it is accurate from a geography perspective to categorize Broken Hill as part of the Outback.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 15, 2011, 08:03:34 AM
The term 'outback' is used by Australians to define a non-urban area, therefore any city other than Sydney/Melbourne etc. can be classed as in the 'outback.'
Wikipedia said - The Outback is the remote arid areas of Australia, although the term colloquially can refer to any lands outside of the main urban areas. The term "the outback" is generally used to refer to locations that are comparatively more remote than those areas deemed "the bush".
This is correct. I wouldn't class the location of Survivor 2 to be "Outback" due to the amount of bushland in the area.
Generally speaking, the Outback is the desert areas.
^ Listen to the experts! ^
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 15, 2011, 01:49:50 PM
I am picking Mel or Ron for the title.......
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: BayBay on February 15, 2011, 02:47:32 PM
PS. This is definately a Luke title!! :lol: "I'm not wearing a girls leotard" anyone!! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Chateau d If on February 17, 2011, 09:01:54 PM
My vote goes to Mallory: "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life"
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Dånooky on February 17, 2011, 09:28:48 PM
I'm calling one of the cowboys for the title
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: theschnauzers on February 17, 2011, 10:12:22 PM
My cable listing have updated for this episode, but only to specifically mention that the Race goes to Broken Hills, New South Wales, Australia....without updating for an episode title.
That's a bit weird that it so specific about the location, but not the episode title. But there's formal confirmation of the task locations for the second episode.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 18, 2011, 04:43:12 AM
The Automatic U-Turn takes effect following the first detour. :'(
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Cocoa on February 18, 2011, 06:15:51 AM
The Automatic U-Turn takes effect following the first detour. :'(
I think IF Kris and Amanda are out this way, they would have twice the double amount of Unfinished Business. And damn it, that's loads of Unfinished Business if you're out the same way as the first time. :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 18, 2011, 11:58:59 AM
From ABC News http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=12931037
Quote from: ABC News
[...]In the premiere, Keoghan informs the players that the last team to arrive on the mat will automatically face a U-turn, forcing the duo to perform both Detour challenges, while first-place finishers will receive the Express Pass, allowing a team to skip one task during the race.[...]
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 18, 2011, 01:55:28 PM
That's what I thought too. However peach says no and it doesn't make sense for the cowboys to be U-turned and still survive in BH.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Dånooky on February 18, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
That's what I thought too. However peach says no and it doesn't make sense for the cowboys to be U-turned and still survive in BH.
well, the cowboys are known to overcome obstacles and come on top.
I know, but Peach says otherwise.
According to our friend at the train station in Sydney; when they did the Pit Start the cowboys left in third. I don't believe that anyone can do a Uturn and arrive in third place.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 18, 2011, 02:42:51 PM
I really hate to state the obvious........but in TAR 15......when the teams found the right license plate, they took it to Phil, who was standing on the mat. So there must be a mat out at the windmills, where teams take the correct paper airplane. The last team to find the correct paper airplane and go see Phil on the mat will get the Automatic U Turn.
Then head to LAX to fly to Sydney.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 18, 2011, 03:21:42 PM
I really hate to state the obvious........but in TAR 15......when the teams found the right license plate, they took it to Phil, who was standing on the mat. So there must be a mat out at the windmills, where teams take the correct paper airplane. The last team to find the correct paper airplane and go see Phil on the mat will get the Automatic U Turn.
Then head to LAX to fly to Sydney.
Thank you Doc! I think you just solved the problem! Only...the Express Pass will most likely not be given out there as well, so...
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 18, 2011, 04:03:25 PM
I really hate to state the obvious........but in TAR 15......when the teams found the right license plate, they took it to Phil, who was standing on the mat. So there must be a mat out at the windmills, where teams take the correct paper airplane. The last team to find the correct paper airplane and go see Phil on the mat will get the Automatic U Turn.
Then head to LAX to fly to Sydney.
Thank you Doc! I think you just solved the problem! Only...the Express Pass will most likely not be given out there as well, so...
As Peach has said several times, the winner of the FIRST LEG will get the Express Pass.......just like in TAR17. It really isnt that confusing. All we have to go on is that TPTB use the same rules as in TAR17.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 18, 2011, 04:26:49 PM
I really hate to state the obvious........but in TAR 15......when the teams found the right license plate, they took it to Phil, who was standing on the mat. So there must be a mat out at the windmills, where teams take the correct paper airplane. The last team to find the correct paper airplane and go see Phil on the mat will get the Automatic U Turn.
Then head to LAX to fly to Sydney.
Thank you Doc! I think you just solved the problem! Only...the Express Pass will most likely not be given out there as well, so...
As Peach has said several times, the winner of the FIRST LEG will get the Express Pass.......just like in TAR17. It really isnt that confusing. All we have to go on is that TPTB use the same rules as in TAR17.
Define the end of the first leg...the TBC point or the Broken Hill mat.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 18, 2011, 08:05:21 PM
Okay...guess we'll have to see? I was under the impression it was the start line task that was the determining factor...but perhaps that is only for the flights? :duno:
But I still think it was find the airplane.... and DrRox's Mat idea would allow both ABC and me to be right! :funny:
And first leg is the first leg, which ends in Manly. As I posted back in December :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Glamazon Racer on February 20, 2011, 12:43:32 AM
Okay...guess we'll have to see? I was under the impression it was the start line task that was the determining factor...but perhaps that is only for the flights? :duno:
But I still think it was find the airplane.... and DrRox's Mat idea would allow both ABC and me to be right! :funny:
And first leg is the first leg, which ends in Manly. As I posted back in December :lol:
So if the first leg ends in Manly, that means Gallory for the Express Pass, and the Automatic U-Turn is given at the paper aeroplanes, so we assume Amanda & Kris.
Hope that sums it up, but correct me if I'm wrong. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: redskevin88 on February 20, 2011, 03:02:24 AM
Then how the TBC gets into the picture? If not a non-elimination leg? And then how did Jet & Cord overcome and finished third? (half the cast got penalties?) I'm :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Reilly Queens on February 20, 2011, 03:08:01 AM
Then how the TBC gets into the picture? If not a non-elimination leg? And then how did Jet & Cord overcome and finished third? (half the cast got penalties?) I'm :duno:
It is a TBC (we have a pic of Phil on the mat with clues in the back of his pocket) but people here called it Leg 1 and Leg 2, and so on.
As for Jet & Cord going from last to 3rd, look at TAR16 Ep 1 :lol: they are very good at making up time!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: redskevin88 on February 20, 2011, 03:14:30 AM
Never mind I found this on wiki
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The Express Pass, introduced in the previous series, will return, allowing the team that places first in the first leg to skip any later task in the race. Additionally, the last team to arrive on the non-elimination first leg will be forced to complete a U-Turn in the next leg, performing both tasks of the leg's Detour.[8]
Define the end of the first leg...the TBC point or the Broken Hill mat.
Actually, however I define the end of a leg is irrelevant. What is revelant is just how World Race Productions defines a leg. Absent any written rule/definition from the TAR Big Book of Rules that teams receive, all we can do is look at what Phil has said and 17 seasons of empirical data.
You will really have to come up with your own definiton of a leg after looking at that data. You can write down the factors that "always" happen at the end of a leg and the factors that "always" happen at the start of a leg. Obviously, the start of leg 1 of a season and the finish line of a season are exceptions. But those two exceptions do not affect our analysis.
In Season 1 in Central Park, Phil really did explain it pretty well. He did not come right out and say, but he talked about elmination points and the money they are given and "when" they would get more money. Personally, I am a follower of the_schnauzers and his concept of the "Uberleg" when there is a TBC invovled.
The start of TAR18 is obviously complicated. I personally think the teams will hit the mat 3 times before the (Uber)Leg 1 is over. Once at the windmills to pass out the Automatic U Turn, once in Manley and end of leg mat and elmination at Broken Hill. Again, that is just my speculation. If WRP doesn't change from what they said at the start of TAR 17, then the team that arrives 1st in Broken Hill will receive the Express Pass, by my analysis. Now it is just time to sit back and see just what happens and enjoy the start.
We will have to see what Phil says tonight about when the team with the Automatic U Turn will have to use it.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 20, 2011, 12:45:00 PM
I think the first team to the Manly mat wins the Express Pass.....
This will be fun to see!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: connayyy on February 20, 2011, 01:12:50 PM
From ABC News http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=12931037
Quote from: ABC News
[...]In the premiere, Keoghan informs the players that the last team to arrive on the mat will automatically face a U-turn, forcing the duo to perform both Detour challenges, while first-place finishers will receive the Express Pass, allowing a team to skip one task during the race.[...]
The article mentions the auto U-Turn and the Express Pass together, which seems to hint that they were given out at the same point? From that I would infer that the first person at the Manly mat received the Express Pass and the last person was hit with the Automatic U-Turn.
Of course, based on what we know about Amanda & Kris's elimination, it's more likely that the auto U-Turn happened after the paper airplanes task.
But Jet & Cord ARE very good at playing catch-up (going from last place to first place despite a Speed Bump in S16) so if I had to guess which team survived a U-Turn and came in 3rd, I would place my bet on them. Still that's probably wishful thinking since I'd hate to see Amanda & Kris go out because of a U-Turn again.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 20, 2011, 01:30:02 PM
If there is a mat at the windmills, then both the Express Pass and Automatic U Turn could be passed out. If that happens, then WRP changed the way the Express Pass was won for TAR18 than it was won in TAR17.......no problem with that either.....but till it happens we just dont know.....but it does make prefect sense. It should really movtivate teams to look for that clue.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: theschnauzers on February 20, 2011, 02:51:50 PM
The presence or absence pf a mid=po=int mat is not determinative of the presence of an uber-leg. TAR 6 didn't have one, TAR 9 didn't have one, TAR 10 had a mid-point mat that wasn't an uber-leg. So that factor, and Phil's presence, isn't determinative.
Until recent seasons, it was possible to use the cash distribution point at the beginning of a leg to help identify uber-legs. However, IIRC, there have been a couple of instances where teams did receive additional money at those mid-points.
The more determinative factor seems to be the presence of multiple detours and roadblocks. Yes, we had the one leg with two roadblocks and no detours in Beijing, but if we focus on the total number of such tasks, then it becomes less of a hiccup. But then, we've had both roadblocks and detours edited in such a way that they were presented on-air as if they were general "active" route marker tasks, so we can't always count on those.
But in general, the uber-leg has usually involved two detours and two roadblocks, with a midpoint where either Phil or the clue, without Phil being present, instructs the teams to continue racing. Whether the Manly midpoint introduces something different we'll have to see tonight. Also, if Phil uses "the mat" and not "pit stop" that may be a clue that the uber-leg mid-point is being used to determine who gets the Express Pass and the automatic U-Turn. We do have to stop thinking in terms of "the mat" meaning "arriving at the Pit Stop." We've known since TAR 7 that the two no longer always mean the same thing,
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 20, 2011, 09:10:06 PM
The preview is up here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,24713.msg589559.html#msg589559
ALL the promos and videos will be in that 3rd post, so do look there when you want to look for a new promo!! :hearts:
caps to follow in a bit...
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 20, 2011, 09:12:45 PM
We of course have known for 2+ months that there were 12 legs and the full route!! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: theschnauzers on February 20, 2011, 09:43:39 PM
I dunno, we knew there were 12 segments, but there was an ongoing debate about these first two segments in Oz.
And btw, who wasn't surprised to see the Lord Mayor of Sydney (greeter in Sydney leg of TAR 2) make a return appearance?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: tarobbsessed24 on February 20, 2011, 10:07:19 PM
comment on ron and chris its looks like CHRISTINA is nagging :O still like them and poor mike :(
and lol at the related videos
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Dånooky on February 20, 2011, 10:10:59 PM
As I mentioned in the episode thread, there is no uberleg. What we have is two legs with no rest period between them; a development that's been coming for a while with the elimination of mentioning the standard 12-hour rest periods at pit stops.
So Phil isn't misleading anyone when he said "pit stop," and he did say this Race has 12 legs. The TBC card at the end is a little misleading, but that is being used only because of putting the Cowboys arrival at the mat for the first pit stop into next week's episode.
So, if this is not an überleg, that means that Jet & Cord will incur a Speed Bump if they're not eliminated, right?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: theschnauzers on February 20, 2011, 10:15:08 PM
Most likely, but then we won't know for sure one way or the other about any NEL penalties until next week.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 20, 2011, 10:42:25 PM
None of these caps look like they are from the outback to me. When Mel is twisting his ankle is that the city of Broken Hill? I don't think so.
The caps are all from Sydney. The only new footage from Broken Hill that I saw from episode 1 was Kent and Vyxsin's confessionals from in front of the mine.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Cocoa on February 21, 2011, 07:18:53 AM
@Peach: but Luke was actually an RFFer first before joining the race (using another username). :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 21, 2011, 07:40:46 AM
Are you counting banredbeans?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Cocoa on February 21, 2011, 07:48:30 AM
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 21, 2011, 07:50:29 AM
No, and let's move on. Not counting any racers, just ordinary people.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on February 21, 2011, 02:11:44 PM
In one of the preview videos before the first episode premiered, didn't Jet say "We look like a bunch of fools" when they were running in the kangaroo suits? This is sort of like the episode title... :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 21, 2011, 02:13:29 PM
In one of the preview videos before the first episode premiered, didn't Jet say "We look like a bunch of fools" when they were running in the kangaroo suits? This is sort of like the episode title... :duno:
The quote is mostly likely associated with the kangaroo task; I don't know who says it.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on February 21, 2011, 02:15:34 PM
In one of the preview videos before the first episode premiered, didn't Jet say "We look like a bunch of fools" when they were running in the kangaroo suits? This is sort of like the episode title... :duno:
The quote is mostly likely associated with the kangaroo task; I don't know who says it.
Yeah. The kangaroo suits look funny. I want one! :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 21, 2011, 03:17:44 PM
In one of the preview videos before the first episode premiered, didn't Jet say "We look like a bunch of fools" when they were running in the kangaroo suits? This is sort of like the episode title... :duno:
I thought it sounded like Kisha...
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: BayBay on February 21, 2011, 03:52:32 PM
Just wanted to point out Mike crying and his dad laying down on the seats is on the return ferry whereas the scene shown before it where Mel is leaning against a pole is AFTER that in the Sydney CBD
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 21, 2011, 06:56:17 PM
Promo!!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Snooky on February 21, 2011, 07:05:05 PM
Not sure if you guys found this yet, but here:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Snooky on February 21, 2011, 07:10:48 PM
So it looks like Mel & Mike were around there. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 21, 2011, 07:21:08 PM
Nice find! It looks like they are on the correct route from the airport to the Barrier Hwy which will take them to the Sanctuary.
Of note: they are driving on Gypsum St where the hopping happens. I wonder if they have not done the kangaroo task though since they do not have the suits on. Will they have to wear those for the rest of the leg?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 21, 2011, 07:32:23 PM
What do you suppose the red building is in this shot?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 21, 2011, 09:10:46 PM
The Amazing Race is in Broken Hill NSW (Australia) today. They had to get a clue from the Memorial Oval , dress as Kangaroos with big bouncy shoes and bounce to my street (Mercury Street) for their next clue. Then they were off to the Junction Mine in their Four Wheel Drives. So funny seeing them bounce around dressed as Kangaroos. Does anyone know when this new Season will be aired??
I think we can assume that when teams are driving themselves in kangaroo suits they are on their way to the PS. Also from spoiler info no taxi shots are in the Outback.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on February 22, 2011, 08:20:13 AM
In pictures 9-11: it looks like Justin is giving Jen a high five. Maybe they worked together?
In pictures 32-34: Jet and Cord are smiling and Jet is holding a Route Info clue. Looks like they're running to the pit stop. I think the ghost riders are back in the saddle again! :mechbull:
And :lol3: Zev. "Ow!" "What?" "I slammed my tail in the door!"
Wow. I just pointed out the most obvious things... :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 22, 2011, 08:22:28 AM
I kinda thought they were running to the PS there too but it seems like the teams may check-in in the :roo outfits.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: JETandCORDfan on February 22, 2011, 09:58:36 AM
Well is there any idea of where everyone checks in, in order?
I would imagine that Kent and Vixen and probably Jet and Cord will be Team #9 and Team #10 considering they were so far back.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 22, 2011, 10:03:37 AM
She said she saw teams open clue one by one to start 2nd leg... the order teams open clue:
1st:Zev and Justin 2nd:Flight time and Big easy 3th:cowboy 4th:Margie and Luke 5th:Kisha and Jen 6th:Mel and Mike 7th:Goth 8th:Jamie and Cara 9th:Gary and Mallory 10th:Ron and Chris
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 22, 2011, 02:42:14 PM
Please note that the START line order does NOT equal the elim order, what is listed as safe from elim is NOT in order. sorry brain fart :lol:
And we KNOW the PitStop is at Junction mine, we have the photo with the MAT even.
MAPS will be in post 4 in this thread.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 22, 2011, 02:44:30 PM
She said she saw teams open clue one by one to start 2nd leg...
the order teams open clue:
1st:Zev and Justin 2nd:Flight time and Big easy 3th:cowboy 4th:Margie and Luke 5th:Kisha and Jen 6th:Mel and Mike 7th:Goth 8th:Jamie and Cara 9th:Gary and Mallory 10th:Ron and Chris
That's all I know. I think woden is sourcing from that post too.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 22, 2011, 02:57:52 PM
I don't have any idea in what order teams checked in at the mat :duno:
It just doesn't seem like the teams would be released in a random order. I'll clarify that as speculation though.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 22, 2011, 03:01:14 PM
Peach......remember that after the teams hit the mat in Broken Hill........they got on the train to Sydney.....and after the over night rolling pit stop....they were released in the train station in downtown Sydney from the pit stop. I think it is safe to assume that the order of release in Sydney reflects the order of finish in Broken Hill......unless a team or two got a penalty time wise.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 22, 2011, 03:03:16 PM
Gotcha.
Okay, feverish brainfart moment fixed. Thanks everybody. I am going back to bed now. :hides
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prama on February 23, 2011, 04:22:25 AM
From CBS Press Express:
Quote
TEAMS DRESSED AS KANGAROOS CONTINUE THORUGH AUSTRALIA WHERE ONE TEAM IS BROUGHT TO TEARS WHEN EXHAUSTION THREATENS TO END THEIR RACE, ON "THE AMAZING RACE: UNFINISHED BUSINESS," SUNDAY, FEB. 27 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback) - Teams dressed as kangaroos continue through Australia where one Racer reverts to old habits as tempers start to flare, and another Team breaks down in tears from utter exhaustion, on THE AMAZING RACE: UNFINISHED BUSINESS, Sunday, Feb 27 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Phil Keoghan is host.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 23, 2011, 08:55:49 AM
Finally! Thanks prama!!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: gator27 on February 23, 2011, 11:58:44 AM
In pictures 9-11: it looks like Justin is giving Jen a high five. Maybe they worked together?
I was thinking the high 5 was because they both made the first :plane: to the Outback. They are the first 2 names list on the 6 am flight list (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575851.html#msg575851).
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 23, 2011, 12:12:38 PM
Great point gator! And if I haven't said huge props to whoever took that pic!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 23, 2011, 12:33:22 PM
In pictures 9-11: it looks like Justin is giving Jen a high five. Maybe they worked together?
I was thinking the high 5 was because they both made the first :plane: to the Outback. They are the first 2 names list on the 6 am flight list (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23690.msg575851.html#msg575851).
I am curious on this point: Why didn't the first-at-pseudo-pit stop teams (Gary/Mallory, Amanda/Kris, LaKisha/Jen) get on the 10/22 Regional Express flight departing Sydney 1820 and arriving Broken Hill 2010? The only explanations could be that the flights were full, World Race Productions gave speecific directions on which flight or teams had to do tasks in Sydney that lasted too long to make that flight. The third makes the most sense. It is clear from the photo that all 11 teams are on the Regional Express signup lists. My information has ZL9578 scheduled to depart at 0605 (not 0600) and to arrive at 0755 and ZL9596 to depart 0630 and arrive 0820. The first 6 teams would have had an advantage of 25 minutes if on schedule.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: gator27 on February 23, 2011, 02:22:22 PM
I am curious on this point: Why didn't the first-at-pseudo-pit stop teams (Gary/Mallory, Amanda/Kris, LaKisha/Jen) get on the 10/22 Regional Express flight departing Sydney 1820 and arriving Broken Hill 2010? The only explanations could be that the flights were full, World Race Productions gave speecific directions on which flight or teams had to do tasks in Sydney that lasted too long to make that flight. The third makes the most sense. It is clear from the photo that all 11 teams are on the Regional Express signup lists. My information has ZL9578 scheduled to depart at 0605 (not 0600) and to arrive at 0755 and ZL9596 to depart 0630 and arrive 0820. The first 6 teams would have had an advantage of 25 minutes if on schedule.
At the time....in real time, we were not really sure where they were going. Some inside reports said Broken Hill and some other inside reports said Melbourne. At the time, the two flights they actually flew on to Broken Hill did not appear in the data tables. In looking at Rex Regional Airlines flight schedules.......the one plane scheduled the next day was too small to hold the number of people that would be flying there. I think it was RichinSydney or one of his buddies that finally found those two charter flights on the Kingston International Airport list of departure flights for the next day. WRP chartered those two flights for the next day and the signup sheet was for which teams got on each flight. If you look in the historical data for the week before and the week after.....those two flights never appear. They only flew on that day, reinforcing the idea that they were charter flights for WRP. It would take two of their largest planes, that Saab, to get all the people there. If I remember right, they hold about 35 passengers. Eleven teams of 4 equal at least 44 people.
Anyway.....that was what happened as I can remember it. If you go to the Live Sightings thread, you can see the discussions we had at the time.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Slowhatch on February 23, 2011, 03:57:27 PM
Roadblock at the mine? Jet looks clean, and Cord looks like he's been crawling in the dirt.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 23, 2011, 04:22:01 PM
Just thinking out loud; maybe Cord fell during some task.
Perhaps.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 23, 2011, 04:42:20 PM
I have been looking at GE and photos around the Junction Mine which is the Pit Stop. I just dont see any red dirt. I dont know if CBS has colorized that photo with red tints or what. There appears to be red dirt at the diggeroo deal. All the dirt around the Junction Mine is grey or gray....however you spell it.
That certainly does look like a Pit Stop sprint by the Cowboys though.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 23, 2011, 04:45:08 PM
It seems to me that unless we're all wrong about the number of episodes, then thiere was not an uberleg. But two legs, with no rest period between pitstops. That is a new wrinkle, but one that's been developing the last few seasons as the show has dropped all references to the 12-hour rest period at pit stops.
Why?
Phil described the race as having 12 legs.
He described the winner of the express pass as the first to arive at the first pit stop, which did happen in this leg.
He described the beach location as a "pit stop" greeted the first ten teams as X to arrive" and the clue directing teams there warned that the last team to arrive "may" be eliminated.
So what we have is a regular first leg (with just a roadblock and no detour.
Conclusion: There is no uberleg this season, although WRP did a good job in emulating an uberleg in Sydney.
I agree with the thrust of theschnauzers' comments. However, if there was no pit stop time lag, why did teams not get on the 620pm flight to Broken Hill? Also, why was there a greeter? Typically if there is a greeter then it's not a TBC. Phil promised surprises, so I guess having a TBC with a greeter is something new. I believe that teams find a HOH that works effectively like a pit stop.
The times of the flights the next day to Broken Hill may have been set so as to assure that all teams completed the first leg and could be gathered for making the charter flights to Broken Hill. It might have had to do with daylight flying conditions (in the US that's known as VFR flight rules) or that the additional aircraft needed for the teams and crews weren't going to be available and in position until that next day. Or they may have not planned to have teams in Broken Hill until the next morning.
From what I recall from the live sightings, the teams gathered at Town Hall (IIRC), and signed in there for the flights. We do know Jet/Cord lagged behind the other teams getting to that spot (after sunset?) and I suspect that didn't cause the next morning flights, but that WRP planned for having a later time for teams to complete the first leg than was actually needed.
We'll know for sure, I suppose, once we hear what Phil tells the Cowboys at Shelly Beach. But for the moment, I think we're dealing with two legs and a no length pit stop rest period.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 23, 2011, 07:00:05 PM
I have been looking at GE and photos around the Junction Mine which is the Pit Stop. I just dont see any red dirt. I dont know if CBS has colorized that photo with red tints or what. There appears to be red dirt at the diggeroo deal. All the dirt around the Junction Mine is grey or gray....however you spell it.
That certainly does look like a Pit Stop sprint by the Cowboys though.
I was still under the assumption that they would check-in in :roo attire. I think they are at the Living Desert, it is really the only place they are going with the clay and the brush that you see in the caps. See below.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Coutzy on February 23, 2011, 07:17:31 PM
It seems to me that unless we're all wrong about the number of episodes, then thiere was not an uberleg. But two legs, with no rest period between pitstops. That is a new wrinkle, but one that's been developing the last few seasons as the show has dropped all references to the 12-hour rest period at pit stops.
Why?
Phil described the race as having 12 legs.
He described the winner of the express pass as the first to arive at the first pit stop, which did happen in this leg.
He described the beach location as a "pit stop" greeted the first ten teams as X to arrive" and the clue directing teams there warned that the last team to arrive "may" be eliminated.
So what we have is a regular first leg (with just a roadblock and no detour.
Conclusion: There is no uberleg this season, although WRP did a good job in emulating an uberleg in Sydney.
I agree with the thrust of theschnauzers' comments. However, if there was no pit stop time lag, why did teams not get on the 620pm flight to Broken Hill? Also, why was there a greeter? Typically if there is a greeter then it's not a TBC. Phil promised surprises, so I guess having a TBC with a greeter is something new. I believe that teams find a HOH that works effectively like a pit stop.
The times of the flights the next day to Broken Hill may have been set so as to assure that all teams completed the first leg and could be gathered for making the charter flights to Broken Hill. It might have had to do with daylight flying conditions (in the US that's known as VFR flight rules) or that the additional aircraft needed for the teams and crews weren't going to be available and in position until that next day. Or they may have not planned to have teams in Broken Hill until the next morning.
From what I recall from the live sightings, the teams gathered at Town Hall (IIRC), and signed in there for the flights. We do know Jet/Cord lagged behind the other teams getting to that spot (after sunset?) and I suspect that didn't cause the next morning flights, but that WRP planned for having a later time for teams to complete the first leg than was actually needed.
We'll know for sure, I suppose, once we hear what Phil tells the Cowboys at Shelly Beach. But for the moment, I think we're dealing with two legs and a no length pit stop rest period.
Usually on an uberleg there is an overnight stay somewhere involved by way of transport or HoO. The flight to Broken Hill not being until the next morning may also serve that purpose.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: AmazingRace on February 23, 2011, 07:37:44 PM
I wonder why Amanda & Kris are on the second flight? They left the TBC pit-stop in 2nd. Was there the detour in Sydney before they left for Broken Hill?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 23, 2011, 07:55:49 PM
It looks like about the only thing to see at the Living Desert is the Sculpture Symposium. Here you can see the walking path that goes around them. I wouldn't be surprised if the Racers visit it.
Or there's always a desert searching task like TAR15 in Dubai. Unless this is just a clue pickup point in which case I have no clue where they do the Detour.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: apskip on February 23, 2011, 08:22:30 PM
The times of the flights the next day to Broken Hill may have been set so as to assure that all teams completed the first leg and could be gathered for making the charter flights to Broken Hill. It might have had to do with daylight flying conditions (in the US that's known as VFR flight rules) or that the additional aircraft needed for the teams and crews weren't going to be available and in position until that next day. Or they may have not planned to have teams in Broken Hill until the next morning.
From what I recall from the live sightings, the teams gathered at Town Hall (IIRC), and signed in there for the flights. We do know Jet/Cord lagged behind the other teams getting to that spot (after sunset?) and I suspect that didn't cause the next morning flights, but that WRP planned for having a later time for teams to complete the first leg than was actually needed.
We'll know for sure, I suppose, once we hear what Phil tells the Cowboys at Shelly Beach. But for the moment, I think we're dealing with two legs and a no length pit stop rest period.
Again, I recommend looking at the AR18 Transportation Primary Options thread for the answer on why such early flights. Work backward from the twice weekly Indian Pacific Railroad scheduled departure at 1830 on Tuesday 11/23. What is needed if there is an 8 hour pit stop in Broken Hill? You can conclude that checking into the Broken Hill pit stop by 1015am is required. So both of the 11/23 flights into Broken Hill must arrive soon enough to allow that. Hence departures at 605am (or 600am; it doesn't matter) and 630am for flights arriving 1 hour 55 minutes later. That means all tasks have to be completed in less than 2 hours for the second flight teams or the pit stop must be less than 8 hours.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 23, 2011, 08:32:25 PM
The Amazing Race is in Broken Hill NSW (Australia) today. They had to get a clue from the Memorial Oval , dress as Kangaroos with big bouncy shoes and bounce to my street (Mercury Street) for their next clue. Then they were off to the Junction Mine in their Four Wheel Drives. So funny seeing them bounce around dressed as Kangaroos. Does anyone know when this new Season will be aired??
FB: ok well my day has been exciting enough im ova it now followed the amazing race pplz around got a lil bit of footage of their first task at the living desert....and i got big ease on video and a photo...but im spewing i didnt get the photo of the cowboys.... 8 minutes ago
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 23, 2011, 08:51:22 PM
What is needed if there is an 8 hour pit stop in Broken Hill? You can conclude that checking into the Broken Hill pit stop by 1015am is required. So both of the 11/23 flights into Broken Hill must arrive soon enough to allow that. Hence departures at 605am (or 600am; it doesn't matter) and 630am for flights arriving 1 hour 55 minutes later. That means all tasks have to be completed in less than 2 hours for the second flight teams or the pit stop must be less than 8 hours.
There is no Pitstop in Broken Hill. It is a "rolling" Pitstop on the train.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 23, 2011, 08:59:25 PM
Just to amplify what Peach said.......the leg was finished by 1 pm. The teams then went to a local bar/restaurant and hung out till they left about 6 pm to go catch the train to Sydney........this is all in the Live Sightings thread I believe.
Teams finished in Broken Hill between noon and 1230 pm........then released in Sydney after overnight train ride rolling starting at noon. So I guess you could say the Pit Stop was approx 24 hours.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: BayBay on February 24, 2011, 05:13:31 AM
Peach I went on a little walk of Central station today and have some photos and what not that need discussing :lol: So open the Episode 3 THREAD!!!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2011, 07:45:46 AM
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 24, 2011, 09:08:38 PM
There was just a short promo on CBS at 8:59:30 approx.......I believe it showed the Globes running to the Pit Stop mat wearing the kangeroo suites. The audio seems to be them yelling at Phil.
Peach........are not BayBay pics 2,3,4,5 part of Ep 3?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2011, 09:37:42 PM
Yes darn it all. :groan:
Moved.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2011, 09:45:21 PM
There was just a short promo on CBS at 8:59:30 approx.......I believe it showed the Globes running to the Pit Stop mat wearing the kangeroo suites. The audio seems to be them yelling at Phil.
Is that EST or Central time? If anyone captured it and wants to send it to me, I can cap it...
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: LoveRocked on February 24, 2011, 10:03:17 PM
There was just a short promo on CBS at 8:59:30 approx.......I believe it showed the Globes running to the Pit Stop mat wearing the kangeroo suites. The audio seems to be them yelling at Phil.
Is that EST or Central time? If anyone captured it and wants to send it to me, I can cap it...
It was Central Time.....just before "The Mentalist" started and another promo at 9:47 Central.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2011, 11:03:18 PM
New promo up here! http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,24713.msg589559.html#msg589559
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: redskevin88 on February 24, 2011, 11:11:52 PM
Zev/Justin and Margie & Luke working together...
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Slowhatch on February 24, 2011, 11:16:00 PM
Thanks for the promo. I had looked this morning for the house seen in the first promo but gave up after a while. It's easy when they tell you it's bismuth and mercury. :-[
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2011, 11:26:07 PM
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2011, 11:28:05 PM
So is that a locker room at Consolidated Mines building? ???
So they do this as a route marker perhaps and then go to Junction Mine? ???
Hmmm...we have caps of Jen/Kisha and Globetrotters too, maybe we can get some times?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Coutzy on February 24, 2011, 11:32:48 PM
The element on the table highlighted yellow is Mercury, the one in red is Bismuth.
The chemical symbols for each are Hg and Bi, respectively and they are numbers 80 and 83, respectively. Both are metals (Mercury is a transition metal and Bismuth is what is called a "poor" metal)
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 24, 2011, 11:45:29 PM
And they are street names in Broken Hill... you can see the promo I added. :kuss:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Coutzy on February 24, 2011, 11:47:21 PM
So would they head to numbers 80 & 83 on their streets? Or would they have been given other numbers/some other clue?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 12:07:37 AM
The streets are named after the elements, I bet they just follow them to the next clue? ???
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Slowhatch on February 25, 2011, 12:11:03 AM
The locker room is probably inside the stadium; at least, that's where they're standing (Warnock and Williams) when they ask the lady about the Periodic Table. The Consolidated Mine sign has replaced a Consolidated Concrete sign (viewpoint (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=broken+hill,+nsw,+australia&aq=&sspn=0.103984,0.222988&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Broken+Hill+New+South+Wales,+Australia&ll=-31.956133,141.447176&spn=0.003345,0.006968&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=-31.956133,141.447176&panoid=j7dkAlueoYJ9UlH5OcmZEA&cbp=12,72.28,,0,11.58)). It's a short trip to Bismuth and Mercury--maybe 4/5 blocks.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: LoveRocked on February 25, 2011, 12:13:34 AM
Maybe, that's clue give you where you lead to something pit stop??? I guess ??? ???
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Coutzy on February 25, 2011, 12:15:00 AM
The streets are named after the elements, I bet they just follow them to the next clue? ???
But where on the street is the question? Would they have been directed to a specific point, or just told to search up and down the street until they find the clue?
EDIT: If it was me and we weren't told specifically, I'd start my search at the street number corresponding to the element.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 12:23:46 AM
I have no idea.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: BayBay on February 25, 2011, 01:51:50 AM
For the 'Mel and Mike spot' them taking this route makes sense if teams caught a ferry back to Circular Quay and then had to go on foot to Anchor statue. HOWEVER I think it is cruel of WRP to have made teams walk as it is quite a trek and especially with those backpacks! Being on Pitt St however does make us think was the Marriott Hotel involved somehow? Or did G/M and R/C?? go just for directions? Teams were seen working together carrying a box of some sort by one Twetter however when Mallory read the clue in front of Phil, it said 'You are heading to the Back and Beyond' and there was lip movement...maybe they have to pick something up on the way?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Cocoa on February 25, 2011, 02:42:58 AM
Yes! A smart task to get rid of the dumb (read: Flight Time and Big Easy and Jet and Cord). :yess: :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Cocoa on February 25, 2011, 02:53:29 AM
Maybe the intersection of the two streets might be where the teams are heading next?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: redskevin88 on February 25, 2011, 06:50:55 AM
teams are looking for intersection of Mercury & Bismuth streets....
I google maps'ed "Mercury Street, Broken Hill, NSW" and it took me straight to the intersection in question.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 25, 2011, 08:33:18 AM
Yeah, it's not hard to find. If they are at the oval they go down and take a left like the lady said. This puts them on Gypsum where they were spotted. The spotter said they went down Gypsum to Mercury where they would take a left and be really close to the Bismuth/Mercury intersection
Like so:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: walkingpneumonia on February 25, 2011, 08:49:23 AM
Yeah, it's not hard to find. If they are at the oval they go down and take a left like the lady said. This puts them on Gypsum where they were spotted. The spotter said they went down Gypsum to Mercury where they would take a left and be really close to the Bismuth/Mercury intersection
Like so:
We know that at some point the KangaRacers were on Long Street.
Racers were hopping down Long Street in Broken Hill: (http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ldM4aoSAKv8/TUF9B-r-IcI/AAAAAAAAACQ/pmoVtg8Ismc/s800/kangarooBrokenHillLoc.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 25, 2011, 08:55:53 AM
Same goes for Gypsum, they must have taken different routes. The racers shown on Long are different from the racers in the clip.
Saw contestants from the Amazing Race HOPPING down Gypsum Street dressed as KANGAROOS a little while ago...wish I could've joined them! Anyone else seen anything unusual today? xx Tali 2 minutes ago
This way would work too, as would several others.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 09:11:15 AM
Heh, I have Kisha/Jen and the Trotters flipped in that photo.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 25, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
Looking at the original kangaroo caps here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,24253.msg586525.html#msg586525) it looks like from the progression of #36 on the cowboys are getting ahead of the rest of them. The question is how they pass Margie and Luke. Margie was mentioning she was hot, maybe another overheating incident?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 01:23:55 PM
If the departure times for the next leg can be believed, they are only a minute ahead...so I would bet on a run to the Pitstop playing a role.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 25, 2011, 01:36:09 PM
Good point, from the most recent clip though it looked like Z/J and K/J were a bit ahead. The cowboys and the globetrotters would also have passed K/J. It's hard to tell though, the cowboys are good at gaining ground after a slow start.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 25, 2011, 02:21:00 PM
It appears to me that Zev/Justin and Margie/Luke start "hopping" away from that Locker Room down an alley in this photo.
You can see that red brick wall in the background. Then they zig-zag over to a street to the south. You can see where the red brick wall changes to beige in the background in this photo.
They do seem to be heading in the general direction to Bismith/Mercury.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: connayyy on February 25, 2011, 07:28:27 PM
Since Zev/Justin and Margie/Luke, as well as Ron/Christina and Gary/Mallory, seem to have worked together on the kangaroo task, do you think it could have been an Intersection of sorts or did they just happen to team up?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 07:33:33 PM
My guess is coincidence....
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: redskevin88 on February 25, 2011, 07:36:43 PM
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 25, 2011, 08:08:09 PM
I just noticed the baby kangeroos in the pouch on all the ladies...........LOL
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 08:13:02 PM
Quote
The Amazing Race: Unfinished Business
Dressed as Kangaroos teams must find a specific intersection using only the periodic table of elements this Sunday on Amazing Race!
There were more pics but can't snag them right now.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 08:23:51 PM
THE AMAZING RACE -- "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback) After being the last team to complete the airplane challenge in Palm Springs, engaged couple Amanda (right) and Kris (left) must complete both detours this leg. In this detour, they must spit natural paint on stencils to create a series of Aboriginal territory markers, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, Feb 27 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 08:30:19 PM
THE AMAZING RACE -- "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback) -- In this Detour, Mallory Ervin and Globetrotters Big Easy and Flight Timemust use traditional materials to create an Aboriginal Ground Mosaic, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, Feb 27 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Photo: Robert Voets/CBS
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 08:34:05 PM
THE AMAZING RACE I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life (Outback) As part of the Detour, goth friends Kent and Vyxsin must perform a traditional dance intended to raise the ancestral spirits in order to receive their next clue.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 08:48:56 PM
In this Detour, Christina Hsu must use traditional materials to create an Aboriginal Ground Mosaic, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, Feb 27 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Photo: Robert Voets/CBS
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Cocoa on February 25, 2011, 09:06:00 PM
The producers really need to find a way to strip down Amanda or Kris' shirt. Last time, they failed (Novosibirsk's marathon). This time, they succeeded! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: BayBay on February 25, 2011, 09:52:58 PM
So it is looking like -
Manly to Town Hall (Rest Stop) Fly to Broken Hill Intersection? Dress as Kangaroos and find an intersection :lol: Detour: Mosaics or Stencils U-Turn Pitstop!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 25, 2011, 10:00:37 PM
Manly to Town Hall (Rest Stop) Fly to Broken Hill Intersection? Dress as Kangaroos and find an intersection :lol: Detour: Mosaics or Stencils U-Turn Pitstop!
From that one spoiler person.......they left the airport and went directly to the Living Desert......where it looks like the two detour options are......then back to town and putting on the kangeroo suits......then the pit stop.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Reilly Queens on February 25, 2011, 10:03:35 PM
well we know where Cord's red knee came from!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 10:05:13 PM
I don't think there is an Intersection?
Manly to Town Hall (Rest Stop) Fly to Broken Hill : assigned flights Find cluebox in desert (Trotters observed) Living Desert: Detours, then Dance for your next clue (Includes Automatic U-Turn) Go to Memorial Oval (??change into kangaroo costumes at stadium?) Kangaroo task : use periodic table to find street intersection (Mercury and Bismuth) Make your way to: Junction Mine Pitstop
But remember we saw the Trotters getting a clue by the road?? Not sure which clue or where that was...
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 25, 2011, 10:19:17 PM
There is not an intersection......there are is an odd number of teams.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 25, 2011, 10:47:45 PM
There is not an intersection......there are is an odd number of teams.
Ha!! Good one!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 26, 2011, 12:59:35 AM
New promo up in post 3!!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 26, 2011, 01:05:54 AM
Peach.....
I went back to the Live thread and found the posts by that girl in Broken Hill........Chelly. She is the one that took the pics of all the teams in the airport in BH. She then followed them to the Living Desert. It is on that part of the leg where FT.BE pull over.......all the red dirt. When they finished at the Living Desert, she followed them back to town to Memorial Oval......thats where they all changed into kangeroo suits. Then the drive to the pit stop at Junction Mine.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 26, 2011, 01:09:29 AM
That is the promo with Globes running to the finish mat in the kangeroo suits.......LOL
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 26, 2011, 07:00:17 AM
I know...it is for you! :kuss:
Chelley was a big help. I have sent her our thanks, a link to watch, and a zip file of pics for the lady in pink who she knows!
But the video came from another helper.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 26, 2011, 01:46:22 PM
Have updated the photos for some better ones starting here...they are worth a second look! http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,24713.msg592429.html#msg592429
Looks from those pics that Amanda and Kris are doomed by the UTurn again. All teams there together, and they have two tasks to do.
Another Joe and Heidi. :(
Did I mention I hate the U-Turn??
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Coutzy on February 26, 2011, 08:50:06 PM
Have updated the photos for some better ones starting here...they are worth a second look! http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,24713.msg592429.html#msg592429
Looks from those pics that Amanda and Kris are doomed by the UTurn again. All teams there together, and they have two tasks to do.
Another Joe and Heidi. :(
Did I mention I hate the U-Turn??
I don't mind this one, since it wasn't forced onto them by anyone except themselves.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: ovalorange on February 26, 2011, 09:13:52 PM
Alright, either I'm going nuts :lol3: or there actually is a roadblock clue in all those papers:
Guess they are hot? But I am dying to go springing down a street on those sprongers. I wanna do it!! :jumpy:
Mallory looks like shes hot and Ron and Gary look like they have Wedgies or somethin :lol:
It's possible that the kangaroo suits made team members hot, but the high temperature for Broken Hill on 11/23/10 was a mild 79 degrees, quite reasonable for late spring in desert Australia.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 27, 2011, 08:19:29 AM
I'm not seeing any RB clue either. I think the timeline for this leg has come together really well, I don't think we are going to be surprised by an extra task.
Maybe they are hot because they have already done the outdoor tasks at the living desert. Some might find 79 to be hot. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: theschnauzers on February 27, 2011, 11:23:29 AM
Just a reminder. Officially reported temperatures are taken in such a way that the readings are in shade, and not in direct sunlight. You need to add at least 10 to 15 F to approximate the air temperature in sunlight.
If it was 79 F in the shade, then 90-95 F was the likely temperature in direct sunlight. My guess is that the Racers were hot both from the kangaroo costumes (which make it difficult for the body to cool itself while being worn) and the outside tasks which were in direct sunlight.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 27, 2011, 12:15:26 PM
Do we think all these are at the Living Desert Sanctuary?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Dånooky on February 27, 2011, 08:13:08 PM
The lack of Speedbump for Jet & Cord, plus only having a Detour makes me think that this was either an überleg or one single leg that was too long to fit in one hour.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 27, 2011, 08:17:27 PM
Except for the fact that there was an expressly named pitstop in the middle where a prize was awarded. With a sign, mat and, greeter.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: coolio on February 27, 2011, 08:23:41 PM
Except for the fact that there was an expressly named pitstop in the middle where a prize was awarded. With a sign, mat and, greeter.
Same with season 14 China, except there was no greeter at the China "Pitstop". Jamie and Cara won jetskis, I believe?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 27, 2011, 08:29:43 PM
True, it even said "go to pitstop"
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: coolio on February 27, 2011, 08:37:54 PM
Yep, Jamie and Cara were excited because they finally won a leg
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 27, 2011, 09:05:11 PM
I keep telling and telling you all. :groan:
This is a double leg. For lack of a better term it could be called a TBC, version 2.
For the schedule, it counts as 2 legs/episodes. It is NOT being counted as one leg, and won't be when we see it again. :angel
I don't know how to say it any better....
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: coolio on February 27, 2011, 09:21:20 PM
So, it was two legs, with no rest period inbetween? Then why no penalty for Jet & Cord??
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 27, 2011, 09:29:14 PM
It really reminded me of several seasons past.......TAR6, TAR11, TAR14......go to some place.....do several route info clues.....take a number for release time the next day.......
The main difference was the faux Pit Stop.....it was just there to give out the Express pass........Doing it that way would give the Automatic U Turn team the possibility of getting the Express Pass.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 27, 2011, 09:32:32 PM
This is a double leg. For lack of a better term it could be called a TBC, version 2.
I don't know how to say it any better....
Hee, sorry Peach. Either I'm confused by what you're saying, or I disagree with you....
We just watched the end of Leg 2, right? Leg 1 ended on Shelley Beach...right?
At the starting line, Phil said, "The first team to check into the Pit Stop at the end of this first leg of the race will win the Express Pass". The clue given the teams after the sailing task said "Make your way to the Pit Stop" and " the last team to check in may be eliminated". Phil introduced Shelley Beach on camera as the Pit Stop. The chyron said "Pit Stop". Gary & Mallory arrived first and received the Express Pass. How could that not be the Pit Stop and therefore the end of the leg??
As I saw it, the episode was "To be Continued" not the leg. The leg ended on Shelley Beach when teams checked in. There was just no "Mandatory Rest Period", the second leg began immediately.
If that's the case, I don't understand why the last team to check in didn't receive a penalty, regardless of who that team is. No, I dont believe TPTB changed things to save the Cowboys. I just think it was bad planning and a missed opportunity.
They knew that there would be a team facing the Automatic U-turn in this leg. Giving a (deserved) Speed Bump to the last team to check in on Leg 1 would have at least given more of a chance for the U-Turn team to survive and would have added another element of suspense. Or, at the very least, I would have expected them to include a regular U-Turn so that there was the possibility of 2 teams facing it. 2 teams dealing with penalties adds much more drama, and since a penalty was in order, I dont understand why it was done the way it was.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 27, 2011, 09:52:07 PM
I think we are saying the same thing with different words.
Yes. 2 episodes. But this was a double leg...what used to be called a TBC, 2 back to back legs... So no nice stop in between. No SpeedBump, no penalty for being last because this is a continuation.
Maybe the problem is our use of the words " legs" and "episodes" interchangeably?
In any case, all semantics. :lol: We need a new title for these!! :jam:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: AmazingRace on February 27, 2011, 09:54:05 PM
I just went to look back at the picture of the Wiki page I took back in November 25, 2010. The results someone updated then were almost entirely correct, with the exception of Margie & Luke and Kisha & Jen switching places at the end of Leg 1.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: redwings8831 on February 27, 2011, 09:59:43 PM
I just went to look back at the picture of the Wiki page I took back in November 25, 2010. The results someone updated then were almost entirely correct, with the exception of Margie & Luke and Kisha & Jen switching places at the end of Leg 1.
Someone saw the spoilers here and put it onto wiki. Fairly easy to do.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: theschnauzers on February 27, 2011, 10:02:21 PM
While I would like to think the first two episodes this season are an uberleg, I'm siding with the two legs with no rest period interpretation.
Why?
First Phil said there were 12 legs before he released the teams in Palm Springs.
Second, the clue directing teams to Shelly Beach made reference to a pit stop and that the last team to arrive may be eliminated.
Third, the Express Pass was award at the end of this leg, as it was at the end of the first leg of TAR 17.
The only difference is that there was no rest period between legs 1 and 2.
So while these first two legs emulated an uberleg to the extent that we're debating the issue, I still think that unless we find there are to be 13 episodes and 13 hours, then the 12 legs cover 12 episodes and 12 hours (as reported by The Futon Critic).
The other thing to keep in mind is that WRP has all but abandoned a standard rest period or 24 hour multiples. We've increasingly had odd-length rest periods, and increasingly, we don't even get told what the departure times are for particular legs. So given that, two legs with no rest period inbetween, as opposed to an uberleg, was due to happen. (You will note teams weren't even given money amounts for these first two legs, or at least I never heard any amounts or saw any teams with US dollars at any point in either Palm Springs or on Shelly Beach.
(I will note that Masem, who does the primary editing of the Wikipedia pages on TAR has changed their assessment and are now treating Shelley Beach as the end of the first leg, and Broken Hill as the end of the second.)
One other point on the TBC -- we had a similar issue during TARAS in Poland, where some teams began the next leg before the trailing teams completed the first leg in Poland. I think that may be the most pertinent precedent for how these two episodes were edited.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on February 27, 2011, 10:38:29 PM
I still think that unless we find there are to be 13 episodes and 13 hours, then the 12 legs cover 12 episodes and 12 hours (as reported by The Futon Criticby RFF).
Fixed.
I like that assessment, nice explanation. Again, I think we need a new term, as the old TBC/Uberleg/NEL descriptions no longer fit exactly any more.
Except I do want to say that 12 legs and 12 hours was not reported first by The Futon Critic. It was first reported by RFF right here and actually even a few days before: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23692.msg583345.html#msg583345
And being last to get the paper airplanes as the determining point of the "Automatic U-Turn" was reported first here, and not last to the Mat as ABC reported.
We have very accurate spoilers this season, let's enjoy them and be proud of what we have here. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: florida on February 27, 2011, 10:39:27 PM
[Please TARgods, replay this episode like you did the premiere since I came home from work and accidentally deleted it before getting to watch it :'( ]
Looks like it was fun, though!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: theschnauzers on February 27, 2011, 10:49:06 PM
Peach. I don't doubt that the 12 episodes was reported here first, but TFC relies on materials released by the networks in their listings for all of the programs, both broadcast and cable, currently on air; I referenced them because they rely on industry sources, and I viewed it as a confirmation.
At the moment, they're showing 12 episodes, with the final two episodes being back to back on May 8th. I'm not aware that anyone else has shown that tidbit of information. And if CBS changes their plans, I suspect they'll know there as soon as anyone.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: eddiethejet on February 28, 2011, 01:45:41 AM
this is the description of the confusion over the first leg.
Leg 1 was a double-length leg shown over the course of two episodes, with only one Roadblock and one Detour. The Express Pass was awarded to the team who came in first at the midpoint, rather than at the first Pit Stop.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: kiki on February 28, 2011, 02:16:07 AM
I couldn't believe it that Kent knew the periodic table and was able to recognise the elements immediatelly. Who could have expected this?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Jobby on February 28, 2011, 03:32:42 AM
I couldn't believe it that Kent knew the periodic table and was able to recognise the elements immediatelly. Who could have expected this?
Not me. Now we know what else the goths are good at. I'm growing to like them more and more each episode!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: thespicdatum on February 28, 2011, 04:06:42 AM
Damn, Im routing for Chris and Amanda and they're the firsts to go.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: ugot2bekidinmeny on February 28, 2011, 09:14:16 AM
I think it was totally unfair that Christina and her father Ronald were allowed to talk in a foriegn language at that"spiritual" challenge.
Although i didnt see it giving any other contestant any advantage, leaking of info or showing them how/why they were doing thier puzzle.. what if they do it thru the race? :duno:
can anyone tell me if it's against the rules?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Jobby on February 28, 2011, 09:34:51 AM
I think it was totally unfair that Christina and her father Ronald were allowed to talk in a foriegn language at that"spiritual" challenge.
Although i didnt see it giving any other contestant any advantage, leaking of info or showing them how/why they were doing thier puzzle.. what if they do it thru the race? :duno:
can anyone tell me if it's against the rules?
Why would speaking another language (Chinese, to be exact) be breaking a race rule?? It's just Margie and Luke using sign language, which nobody else knows?
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2011, 09:45:29 AM
Vyxsin knows sign language.
Sorry ugot, I don't really get what the problem is. Tammy and Victor used their knowledge of Chinese to assist them in TAR14. Other teams have known other languages and used them. I don't think that being able to understand the other teams is a right the racers have.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: apskip on February 28, 2011, 09:49:29 AM
I will attempt here to guesstimate the timing of each transportation task or DETOUR around greater Broken Hill. I am letting the chips fall where they may and not trying to make a case for how a 8 hour stop can easily be accomplished (although that may be my conclusion) before train depature at 1830. We start with the arrival of those flights at 0755 and 0820. One key piece of information is where the clubhouse of the rugby team Magpies (it says "football league" but this is Australian rules rugby to my eyes). I have them at Warnock St. adjacent to Memorial Oval off Williams St. where Central "Football" League games are played.
Get self-drive car 5 minutes Self-drive 7km north to Broken Hill central business district 7 minutes Get directions from locals for road to Living Desert 5 to 10 minutes Self-drive 11km to Living Desert 11 minutes Spirit World DETOUR (note - with overlap we know this must take at least 25 minutes) 30 to 40 minutes Natural World DETOUR (Amanda/Kris only, although it appeared to be much quicker than Spirit World) 10 minutes Self-drive back to Magpies dressing room on /warnock St.south side of Barrier Highway slightly east of Gypsum St. 11km 11 minutes Don kangaroo costumes 5 minutes Find out what and where Bismuth and Mercury St. intersection is and hop there, 3000 feet away 15 to 25 minutes Self-drive to pit stop at Junction Mine, Menindee St. (goes along east side of central business district)- quickest route is Gympsum St. South to Silver City Highway east to Iodide St. north one block, pick up Barrier Highway on southeast side of CBD going east, to south on Menindee St. I estimate 3 miles and 10 minutes for the quickest, double that for slower teams 10 to 20 minutes
That gives a range of 99 to 134 minutes. When added to the plane arrivals, that gives pit stop arrival of 934am to 1054am. Add in a pit stop of up to 11 hours and maybe 5 minutes after pit stop release to get to train station and teams can easily make the 1830 train.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Plaidmoon on February 28, 2011, 12:47:40 PM
I will attempt here to guesstimate the timing of each transportation task or DETOUR around greater Broken Hill. I am letting the chips fall where they may and not trying to make a case for how a 8 hour stop can easily be accomplished (although that may be my conclusion) before train depature at 1830. We start with the arrival of those flights at 0755 and 0820. One key piece of information is where the clubhouse of the rugby team Magpies (it says "football league" but this is Australian rules rugby to my eyes). I have them at Warnock St. adjacent to Memorial Oval off Williams St. where Central "Football" League games are played.
Spirit World DETOUR (note - with overlap we know this must take at least 25 minutes) 30 to 40 minutes Natural World DETOUR (Amanda/Kris only, although it appeared to be much quicker than Spirit World) 10 minutes
This agrees with my thinking when I was watching the show. I was sure most of the teams would go for the Natural World as it looked much quicker although putting the paint in your mouth and spraying it was potentially disgusting. How long could it take to spit paint around a few stencils? I was really surprised when everyone went after the Spirit World detour as it looked much fussier. Judging by the teams that didn't copy it right the first time and didn't dance on the painting at first, it was.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: mrmando on February 28, 2011, 12:53:15 PM
Were the teams' self-drive cars moved to Mercury & Bismuth for them? It didn't look as though they had to go back to the football club after finding the clue box.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: BayBay on February 28, 2011, 01:47:56 PM
Very very very jumbled imagery whilst teams were still in Sydney. Scenes of teams were shown running in Sydney and then getting on a ferry in Manly and then the ferry departing from Sydney??? WTF
also teams went to the maritime museum on the other side of the pyrmont bridge. This explains things!!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2011, 01:49:53 PM
Were the teams' self-drive cars moved to Mercury & Bismuth for them? It didn't look as though they had to go back to the football club after finding the clue box.
It was a little odd now that you mention it...good eye, mrmando! Their cars may have been moved from the stadium to the intersection. But like he said a lot of creative editing.
Happy 700th post, BayBay!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: BayBay on February 28, 2011, 02:59:42 PM
Thanks!! The taxi scenes were hilarious as a Sydneysider because one second they were in Manly next second in Chinatown and then at Darling Harbour hahaha
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2011, 03:02:47 PM
mrmando: As seen in Neobie's amazing maps (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23751.msg593603.html#msg593603), the high school is only about one kilometer from the intersection of Mercury and Bismuth, so moving the cars would not have been very hard.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on February 28, 2011, 03:12:04 PM
I noticed the SUVs following the teams last night in the episode.......at a respectable distance. If you rewatch and look....you will see it too. It was usually in a shot taken from behind the teams as they hopped by the cameraman......shooting down the street toward the preceding teams....
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: BayBay on February 28, 2011, 03:25:47 PM
Yeah I think due to a very relaxed group on the first flight and not much room for error in such a small town, teams were majorly bunched together. I saw a lot of crew last night as well! They also made it seem like teams were not there when Jet and Cord got there However the airport is closed from 11pm-approx 4am. So teams would have still been there!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: slayton on February 28, 2011, 06:02:42 PM
I'm not someone who usually reads or enjoys recaps, but it looks like the Onion A.V. Club is continuing to recap episodes:
Just a question for our resident Aussies (and Americans fwiw): aren't deaf people banned from driving in these countries?
To the best of my knowledge, there are no restrictions on driving for the hearing impaired in Australia.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: theschnauzers on March 01, 2011, 12:03:48 AM
Deaf people can drive in the U.S.; while drivers are tested for their vision, they're not tested for their hearing.
Any sirens go with flashing lights on the emergency or law enforcement vehicles, so as long as the driver can see those using the side and rear view mirrors, they'll be approved. (The driver might be required to only drive vehicles with the additional mirrors: but that's about it.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: BayBay on March 01, 2011, 12:32:56 AM
Luke replied to me on Facebook!!! My life is complete!!!!!!!!!!!! :hearts: :lol: He said that they found the sculpture on the computer and caught the train straight to Town Hall!! Very clever!!
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: florida on March 01, 2011, 12:40:23 AM
I noticed the SUVs following the teams last night in the episode.......at a respectable distance. If you rewatch and look....you will see it too. It was usually in a shot taken from behind the teams as they hopped by the cameraman......shooting down the street toward the preceding teams....
TPTB ;)
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: milanissimo on March 01, 2011, 01:28:08 PM
I have to be honest...This episode was totally boring with very poor tasks(the most important thing for me) :( :( I hope to see better tasks...
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 01, 2011, 09:30:56 PM
Really?
I loved the roos and loved the aborigine tasks as well. At least the aboriginal tasks were semi culturally relevant.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Dånooky on March 01, 2011, 10:46:58 PM
I loved the roos and loved the aborigine tasks as well. At least the aboriginal tasks were semi culturally relevant.
there were just too few tasks for my taste
The material from the two first episodes fitted much better an 90 minutes premier. They should have an extra task for the second episode to fill it up a little, but otherwise it was interesting enough and if in the detour some teams had chosen the other option it would have been better.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: BayBay on March 02, 2011, 01:16:57 AM
Now that I think about it the original plan may have been first team checks in and then the TBC screen comes up as usual however due to the Cowboys being so far back they could make it more suspenseful by cutting the Tall Boat and letting the other 10 teams check in.
Hence the second episode was a bit 'light'
This being said I loved the start of the second leg - Cowboys in trauma and then cross to K/V. visually amazing
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Caelestor on March 03, 2011, 02:46:19 AM
Personally, if both Australia legs were combined into a 2-hr premiere, it would have been perfect. A RB, a detour, and quite a few clues.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Jobby on March 03, 2011, 04:17:01 AM
I liked the Detour. But then it seems as though that we're more focused on team dynamism this season rather than tasks and locations??
The only fact i'm going to whine about is that even though i do not think that Amanda and Kris should be even on this season and that they're not a team i'm rooting for (but i like them), it is a little unfair that they only have one task to decide their fate. I know the Kangaroo task can be seemed as a "task" but seriously, there should be a Roadblock to even things up. I felt that while Amanda and Kris's own fault led to their elimination.. the race could have been more fair to include in a RB. Of course, you can also say that teams like the cowboys and globetrotters were on the second flight but still checked in second and third.. so Amanda and Kris were ultimately eliminated due to their own fault.. i still hope that they should have shown us a Roadblock. And that A/K didn't get themselves sign up onto the first flight even though they had a lead...
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Cocoa on March 03, 2011, 04:29:55 AM
It's all part of the challenge. The Detour was good enough to shuffle arrangements, at least. So I think we should not question why no RB is present because this are veteran racers. They know they need to step up. And even if one task would determine your fate, it's your fault to screw up.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Jobby on March 03, 2011, 06:16:41 AM
It's all part of the challenge. The Detour was good enough to shuffle arrangements, at least. So I think we should not question why no RB is present because this are veteran racers. They know they need to step up. And even if one task would determine your fate, it's your fault to screw up.
I know i know.. i just wanted to see one more RB as i wanted to see more of Australia.. Broken Hill seems... like a dead town. :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: kadilahopper on March 03, 2011, 06:24:19 AM
I totally agree with Caelstor that these first two episodes should have been a two-hour premiere. I was really disappointed with the first episode. The best part was the scene with the turtle. That was awesome. The second episode redeemed this TAR season in my eyes. I loved the cultural aspect with the aborigines, but I thought the "roo" costumes was a little too "cutesy". And this is from a woman who had their 26, 27, 28, and 34 year old sons dress in cloth diapers and baby bonnets and sent into Wal-mart to purchase baby juice and baby food as one of the tasks in my family's annual "Amazing Grace Race" this past Christmas. So, go figure. :<)
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Cocoa on March 03, 2011, 09:20:27 AM
It's all part of the challenge. The Detour was good enough to shuffle arrangements, at least. So I think we should not question why no RB is present because this are veteran racers. They know they need to step up. And even if one task would determine your fate, it's your fault to screw up.
I know i know.. i just wanted to see one more RB as i wanted to see more of Australia.. Broken Hill seems... like a dead town. :lol3:
But I would have also loved to have RB to further showcase Broken Hill. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on March 03, 2011, 10:59:01 AM
"If "ifs and buts" were candy and nuts, what a Merry Christmas we all would have!"
First off my POV is always from a production point of view. After 20 years wearing black backstage @ theaters, concert stages and movie sets as a second job, it is just how my mind works and looks at TAR.
1) I think the paucity of events/tasks in Broken Hill were predicated on Phil et al, making that 125 pm flight back to Sydney and making that QF21 flight to Japan 24 yours ahead of the teams. I really don't think they could have added anything in Broken Hill and made those flight connections. So to me, the events in Broken Hill followed the timeline that was designed.
2) The events that happened at Palm Springs/Los Angeles also happened along the planned timeline.
3) The events that happened in Sydney DID NOT happen along the planned timeline. The diversion of QF12 really really messed up production's plans for that day. When Kisha/Jenn checked in with Phil at Shelly Beach, that should have been the last team to do that. But instead, the 8 teams from QF12 were actually about ~2 hours behind the timeline. A lot of them made up time, but I really doubt that production thought that 7 teams would share answers and make up that much time. Again, IF the planes had landed on time and teams progressed as they did, the Cowboys would not have been so far behind. They would have been in 8th, not 11th and had a 90 lead over the last 3 teams. If they lost the same 30 minutes on the ferry, they would still have had a hour lead to Oceanworld. From looking at the sun angles, it really doesnt look like they are more than and hour behind Kent/Vyxen checking in at the beach. Tis a pity that our Coutzy had to leave Manly before we found out. Kudos to Coutzy for all he did.
From Phil's video diary, the Cowboys check in such that he has time to wash his hair, do a standup at Oceanworld and drive all the way across Sydney to the airport in time to catch a 630pm flight. From you Sydney-siders, how long did that drive take at that time of day on a Monday? How long did it take to check in Phil et al., at the airport and get to the gate?
The Cowboys are pretty laconic normally, but I never sensed in them a sense of urgency after they left the flag puzzle. Even in the Schychells, when they knew they were last, they hustled. It might have been just the editing, but I believe they were told it was going to be a signup for flight in the AM and all the other teams were already checked in. I believe that production made them walk around till it got dark to make it look a lot later than it was when they checked in. Doing this would not have changed the outcome at all and would add to the suspense of a very popular team.
I think that Australia was orginally planned for two separate one hour episodes with the Express Pass/TBC to be the midpoint. [I actually think it was edited that way and also the way we saw it. After watching them both, BVM and CBS went with what we saw.] In the orginal storyboard, we would have probably seen the Tall Ship and ended the episode with the first team @ Shelly Beach told to keep racing, like always, with the other 10 ten teams still doing stuff at Oceanworld and the Yacht Club. The second episode would have started there and would have had a lot more events/tasks taking place and not seemed so "light."
I think they really scrambled to make lemonade out of some lemons this time.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 03, 2011, 11:48:57 AM
I know that the NEL/TBC was definitely scheduled. But I think you bring up some great points about the editing choices we saw. They certainly had to do something to deal with the flight separations.
There was so only so much they could show in ref to the Cowboys' leg from hell. They were so behind not only because of the flight but because of Jet's delay in solving the Flag Puzzle, combined with a terrible time finding "Sail to Stop", something so many teams had a hard time with. Amanda and Kris are saying in their exit interviews that their own trouble finding that and hence getting on the second flight to Broken Hill may have been the actual cause of their elim, rather than the U-Turn. Wonderfully difficult legs, anyway.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 03, 2011, 11:52:04 AM
Moving on to the what do I buy peach for Christmas category:
We too can be HOPPING LIKE KANGAROOS!!! (http://www.kangoojumps.com/pags.php?doc=640)
:roo :roo :roo :roo :roo
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 03, 2011, 11:54:16 AM
If this helps any, it looks as if they were working on the puzzle for at least 70 minutes. Yakc's chart is here (http://homepage.mac.com/yakc/tv/tar18.html#leg2). Using the taxis didn't seem to provide a great advantage; many of the ferry teams wound up on the first charter. (I'm also puzzled from the insider videos that teams are using taxis to the airport--K/J even gave the driver their last $20. There were good public transport options even at 4:30 in the morning). Another curious thing for this season is that nobody is using tourist bureaus/visitor centers. The was one at the Manly wharf and one at the Rocks near Circular Quay.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Prophet on March 03, 2011, 12:01:38 PM
Moving on to the what do I buy peach for Christmas category:
We too can be HOPPING LIKE KANGAROOS!!! (http://www.kangoojumps.com/pags.php?doc=640)
:roo :roo :roo :roo :roo
Do you want us to mail you one? :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: DrRox on March 03, 2011, 03:21:17 PM
Peach....I agree 100% on the planned NEL/TBC in Sydney for the Australia part of the race. I think it was planned to be either a 2 hour premier or as we saw it......two one hour episodes a week apart, depending on how CBS wanted to do it. I think they decided it would be more suspenseful to split it between Kent/Vyxen and the Cowboys, than between Gary/Mallory and Amanda/Kris as it was most likely planned, as it had been in past TBCs.
When they decided to do that, then production had to put more stuff in the first episode than they orginally planned and somehow add stuff to the second episode than orginally planned. I think that Bertram was quick to see that on the day of filming and got extra stuff of the Cowboys wandering around to make up the difference. Once they got in the studio, they could do it both ways and see which was best to televise.
Other than calling the midway point a "Pit Stop" this time, it pretty much followed the format of a lot of other TAR premiers....ie......fly someplace, do several route tasks (in this case one of them was a RB), go to someplace and either take a number or sign up for flights the next day.
I also agree about Amanda and Kris. Had they not taken so much time to get to Town Hall, they would have or should have been on the first charter and undoubtably would have been safe. Since we saw no clue to go to the Maritime Museum, it looks like several teams got advice to go there to find out where the "To Sail to Stop" was located.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 03, 2011, 05:47:46 PM
I think you're on to something. After shots of them walking the harbor and the Opera House, we see them downtown. First in one direction next to The Galeries Victoria, then in the same spot but the opposite direction. Then the sequence is repeated for the Woolworths across the street. All of this is right next to Town Hall (viewpoint (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Galeries+Victoria,+George+Street,+Sydney,+New+South+Wales,+Australia&aq=0&sll=-33.86083,151.212065&sspn=0.006513,0.013937&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Galeries+Victoria,+500+George+St,+Sydney+New+South+Wales+2000,+Australia&ll=-33.87299,151.206964&spn=0.003256,0.006968&z=18&layer=c&cbll=-33.873115,151.206991&panoid=4L6xQ8YVBK2hReqsI-vn_g&cbp=12,71.24,,0,8.31)). Then they walk over to Woolworths to catch a cab, except that they're in the boonies now and it's foggy; presumably, this is their early morning cab from the hostel. Then they are seen getting out of the cab at the very same spot they (supposedly) got in--Woolworths.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: redskevin88 on March 03, 2011, 06:17:19 PM
The Cowboys are pretty laconic normally, but I never sensed in them a sense of urgency after they left the flag puzzle. Even in the Schychells, when they knew they were last, they hustled. It might have been just the editing, but I believe they were told it was going to be a signup for flight in the AM and all the other teams were already checked in. I believe that production made them walk around till it got dark to make it look a lot later than it was when they checked in. Doing this would not have changed the outcome at all and would add to the suspense of a very popular team.
I think what happened was they got really lost, didn't the same thing happen to Gary/Mallory and Amanda/Kris
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 04, 2011, 12:13:36 AM
Notice any similarities? The Rs, the As, the ampersand (that's not the right term: what are those things? ??? :lol:): I found similar handwriting with the first teams as well.
Title: Re: TAR 18: Ep 2 "I Never Looked So Foolish in My Whole Entire Life" (Outback)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 04, 2011, 01:11:03 AM
Here is the shot of the one taken on location at the time: You are too good Slowhatch! Recopied for sure...