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Title: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 04, 2010, 08:30:18 AM
Now that the season is about midway through, it's time to start speculating about this season's winner based on the evidence we have already gathered. We may not be able to exactly predict the winner, but we can certaily speculate based on who has not been spotted close to the end.
Since Gary and Mallory have not been spotted anywhere in Asia, the most likely winner is Brooke and Claire.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Cocoa on November 04, 2010, 08:57:09 AM
Now that the season is about midway through, it's time to start speculating about this season's winner based on the evidence we have already gathered. We may not be able to exactly predict the winner, but we can certaily speculate based on who has not been spotted close to the end.
Since Gary and Mallory have not been spotted anywhere in Asia, the most likely winner is Brooke and Claire.

No one has been spotted during the Final Leg of the race, so that would still be a guess, I believe.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 04, 2010, 09:28:00 AM
Now that the season is about midway through, it's time to start speculating about this season's winner based on the evidence we have already gathered. We may not be able to exactly predict the winner, but we can certaily speculate based on who has not been spotted close to the end.
Since Gary and Mallory have not been spotted anywhere in Asia, the most likely winner is Brooke and Claire.

No one has been spotted during the Final Leg of the race, so that would still be a guess, I believe.

Hardly any team has ever been spotted on the final leg. Last season, Louis and Michael were spotted carrying a chest, yet they were not even competing for the 1 mil. I have my own theories about what types of teams are capable of winning the race, and I have combined these theories with RFF's evidence. My purpose in watching every season of the race is to discover who will win. The question is, who do you think will win TAR 17?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 04, 2010, 09:59:47 AM
I'm going with Nat & Kat.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 04, 2010, 10:05:46 AM
I'm going with Nat & Kat.

Belle Book


Could you lend your reasoning behind this prediction? It seems that they are not aggressive enough to compete in the final to me.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Dånooky on November 04, 2010, 03:07:40 PM
I'm going with Nat & Kat.

Belle Book


Could you lend your reasoning behind this prediction? It seems that they are not aggressive enough to compete in the final to me.
Maybe they're not too aggressive, but they are still very efficient and seem to excel at keeping their cool. So far, their worse placings have been due mostly to bad taxi drivers, I'm certain Nat & Kat won't be making any tragic mistakes.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 04, 2010, 03:33:33 PM
Sure, they won't make enough mistakes to miss the final, but what about actually winning? Jet and Cord lost last year because they did not have the aggression Dan and Jordan did. When push comes to shove between Nat and Kat, Brooke and Claire, and Jill and Thomas, Brooke and Claire will win out.
The sunglasses task in Ghana is a perfect example. Can you tell me which team finished the task first and which team finished the task dead last? Brooke finished the task efficiently because she was aggressive. Kat was the last team member standing because she looked like a deer in headlights. Aggression combined with skill wins the race these days.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Vitoko on November 04, 2010, 04:02:22 PM
I think and hope Nat&Kat will win the race... have my reasons...

· The fact that they are doctors its really something... Doctors are usually confident, smart, and most important if they make a mistake they need to fix it or will lead to a terrible conclusion.
· They surprise me on Norway. I mean one of them is afraid of heigh so they chose to the smart thing and do the FF what leads me to the next surprise they will not give to anything... I mean one of them haven't eat meat for years and still doing it only becasue they have to... I beliebe nothing will stop this team.
· They believe in each other and suport each other, know their strong and weak points and they are using that to move forward in the race...
· As doctors they need to have endurance to be in a hospital and its a really important fact in a race...

The only thing I could be worried about this team is the their taxi luck... or if the F/F team curse of TAR hit them and they are racing against a M/F team...
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Dånooky on November 04, 2010, 04:03:11 PM
Sure, they won't make enough mistakes to miss the final, but what about actually winning? Jet and Cord lost last year because they did not have the aggression Dan and Jordan did. When push comes to shove between Nat and Kat, Brooke and Claire, and Jill and Thomas, Brooke and Claire will win out.
The sunglasses task in Ghana is a perfect example. Can you tell me which team finished the task first and which team finished the task dead last? Brooke finished the task efficiently because she was aggressive. Kat was the last team member standing because she looked like a deer in headlights. Aggression combined with skill wins the race these days.
What aggressiveness? ??? Dan & Jordan won mostly because of the lead Dan got with the change to first class during the flight. Jet & Cord were by far more aggressive but that competitiveness wasn't enough to counter D&J's head start.

I think you are mis-attributing B&C's success in Ghana to aggression. They did the RB fast enough because they were in their element, unlike Nat & Kat who had a disadvantage at dealing with locals.

It could be that if push comes to shove Brook & Claire could overcome Nat & Kat, but I'm certain that the doctors would try to counter that by avoiding those kinds of situations.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 04, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
Sure, they won't make enough mistakes to miss the final, but what about actually winning? Jet and Cord lost last year because they did not have the aggression Dan and Jordan did. When push comes to shove between Nat and Kat, Brooke and Claire, and Jill and Thomas, Brooke and Claire will win out.
The sunglasses task in Ghana is a perfect example. Can you tell me which team finished the task first and which team finished the task dead last? Brooke finished the task efficiently because she was aggressive. Kat was the last team member standing because she looked like a deer in headlights. Aggression combined with skill wins the race these days.
What aggressiveness? ??? Dan & Jordan won mostly because of the lead Dan got with the change to first class during the flight. Jet & Cord were by far more aggressive but that competitiveness wasn't enough to counter D&J's head start.

I think you are mis-attributing B&C's success in Ghana to aggression. They did the RB fast enough because they were in their element, unlike Nat & Kat who had a disadvantage at dealing with locals.

It could be that if push comes to shove Brook & Claire could overcome Nat & Kat, but I'm certain that the doctors would try to counter that by avoiding those kinds of situations.

Dan and Jordan's aggressiveness is what got them into first class in the first place. Had Jet and Cord been aggressive, they would not have sat at the virtual reality task long enough to let Brent and Caite catch all the way up to them and finish before actually finishing themselves. Perhpas aggression is not the best word to use. Perhaps desperation is a better word to use.
How do you know that the doctors will not allow themslves to be put in them type of situation? Here is something to remember: the editors can paint a team however they want to paint them. Since Connor and Jonathan were eliminated early on, the editors are trying to make Nat and Kat the fan favorite by making sure to show the doctors overcome their "fears" and appear nice. The editors have also painted Brooke and Claire as the mistake-rpone, goofy team that they may be. However, by doing this, they have also taken Brooke and Claire out of discussions regarding who will win the race. Open your eyes and don't be biased toward Nat and Kat.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: DrRox on November 04, 2010, 04:58:04 PM
the aggression Dan and Jordan did.

I guess you watched another version of TAR16 than I did. I never saw Dan/Jordan as agressive at any time. To me there were pretty meek. I remember in the WWI episode their comment when Jet/Cord ran past them. One of them said......"Don't worry, we will pass them when it counts." And they did. That was a very bold move. It got them the lead they kept throughout the last leg. Good winners for Tar Fans. I like them when they won and still do.

The Ghana RB is not really a fair comparison between B/C and N/K. That's what Brooke does for a living...selling. I wonder if TAR had a RB where teams had to pass gas to a patient in surgery, just which team would rock that. Kat eating the smoked sheep's head was a pretty bold move too. I see a lot of similiarities between Dan/Jordan and Nat/Kat.....time will tell.

I just hate it when I have to post this twice....lol.......computer malfunction.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Dånooky on November 04, 2010, 05:01:38 PM
Sure, they won't make enough mistakes to miss the final, but what about actually winning? Jet and Cord lost last year because they did not have the aggression Dan and Jordan did. When push comes to shove between Nat and Kat, Brooke and Claire, and Jill and Thomas, Brooke and Claire will win out.
The sunglasses task in Ghana is a perfect example. Can you tell me which team finished the task first and which team finished the task dead last? Brooke finished the task efficiently because she was aggressive. Kat was the last team member standing because she looked like a deer in headlights. Aggression combined with skill wins the race these days.
What aggressiveness? ??? Dan & Jordan won mostly because of the lead Dan got with the change to first class during the flight. Jet & Cord were by far more aggressive but that competitiveness wasn't enough to counter D&J's head start.

I think you are mis-attributing B&C's success in Ghana to aggression. They did the RB fast enough because they were in their element, unlike Nat & Kat who had a disadvantage at dealing with locals.

It could be that if push comes to shove Brook & Claire could overcome Nat & Kat, but I'm certain that the doctors would try to counter that by avoiding those kinds of situations.

Dan and Jordan's aggressiveness is what got them into first class in the first place. Had Jet and Cord been aggressive, they would not have sat at the virtual reality task long enough to let Brent and Caite catch all the way up to them and finish before actually finishing themselves. Perhpas aggression is not the best word to use. Perhaps desperation is a better word to use.
How do you know that the doctors will not allow themslves to be put in them type of situation? Here is something to remember: the editors can paint a team however they want to paint them. Since Connor and Jonathan were eliminated early on, the editors are trying to make Nat and Kat the fan favorite by making sure to show the doctors overcome their "fears" and appear nice. The editors have also painted Brooke and Claire as the mistake-rpone, goofy team that they may be. However, by doing this, they have also taken Brooke and Claire out of discussions regarding who will win the race. Open your eyes and don't be biased toward Nat and Kat.
I think that statement is false. As long as they're in the finale, anybody has a shot at winning. I already stated that I think both F/F teams have the same opportunity to win, however, it is not up to you to say who I should be biased towards or not. I'm leaning towards Nat & Kat due to personal preferences and the characteristics I stated on my previous post. Could it be that perhaps you are biased toward Brook & Claire or against Nat & Kat? (I take that based on how fervently you try to defend them).

I think we can all agree that both teams are competent, different and both have their advantages and disadvantages. You asked who we thought would win. I gave my opinion and my reasoning, so I hope you respect my point of view. :tup:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: DrRox on November 04, 2010, 05:49:35 PM
Well stated, Dånooky
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 04, 2010, 05:55:29 PM
I do respect your views Dånooky and obviously I will not change your mind so I will not continue to pointlessly argue.
I was not really defending B/C since I don't really care which of those three wins. It just seems we have different ways of analyzing the teams.
I do agree with at least one thing you said, that any of the three teams can win the final. We have seen teams who had never won before come through and win and teams that won seemingly every leg win. It is the hardest leg to predict.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 04, 2010, 07:08:09 PM
I'm going with Nat & Kat.

Belle Book


Could you lend your reasoning behind this prediction? It seems that they are not aggressive enough to compete in the final to me.

It's mostly personal preference but I have some good reasons for thinking this way.  First, even if Kat wasn't very aggressive in the sunglasses Roadblock, she & Nat were aggressive enough to find tickets on an earlier flight to Kiruna in Frankfurt!  They were the ones to tell Brooke & Claire about those tickets, not the other way around!  Also, Kat was able to face the sheep's head despite being a vegetarian for 22 years!  What's more, they're doctors, which means they need endurance and are used to sleep deprivation.  Besides, Claire's done most of the hard Roadblocks.  In time, this might wear her out.  Nat & Kat haven't had that problem yet.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 04, 2010, 07:13:02 PM
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Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 04, 2010, 07:15:22 PM
New topic...
Why does no one think Jill and Thomas will win? They've won two legs without Fast Forwarding.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Cocoa on November 04, 2010, 08:51:59 PM
New topic...
Why does no one think Jill and Thomas will win? They've won two legs without Fast Forwarding.

Because they're boring? :lol:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: retard boi on November 05, 2010, 12:24:51 AM
I think that Nat/Kat are going to win because they get a really positive edit. They come across as smart and bold and their bad characteristics and mistakes are tuned down. And the all "we work at the operation room", "We are just as Strong as the guys" bulls*it - come on... those girls are anesthesiologists. I am not degrading their profession, but its about one of the less aggressive branches of medicine that are out there.

 While the two other predicated F3 teams are actually stronger then them and are given some winners vibe, It seems that Nat/Kat are editors favs.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: georgiapeach on November 05, 2010, 12:31:31 AM
those girls are anesthesiologists. I am not degrading their profession, but its about one of the less aggressive branches of medicine that are out there.


Anethesia is one of the most challenging areas in medicine... You have to be hyperviligent every single second.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: DrRox on November 05, 2010, 01:57:47 AM
New topic...
Why does no one think Jill and Thomas will win? They've won two legs without Fast Forwarding.

Because they're boring? :lol:

How do you know? Do you know them?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Levi Rinno on November 05, 2010, 01:59:59 AM
New topic...
Why does no one think Jill and Thomas will win? They've won two legs without Fast Forwarding.

Because they're boring? :lol:
I'd say because they don't have the edit for it.  Aside from a few snippets, they're mostly portrayed as "just there."  Those teams rarely win.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 05, 2010, 06:27:51 AM
But then, TK and Rachel had such an edit too.

I don't believe in editing for TAR... Jet and Cord had a much more positive edit than the brothers. Although edit wise we do know which teams the editors are focusing on.

If you ask me, Freddy and Kendra got an edit worst than Jill and Thomas right now. If they can win, it sure certainly says Jill and Thomas can too.

IMO, I think Brooke and Claire are having a better edit than Nat and Kat. Half the time we see Brooke and Claire, they're so competitive, good spirited and bringing loads of joyful and memorable moments. If you ask me, i would think Nat and Kat are equally as boring as Jill and Thomas. It's just the fact that they're an all-female team who's nice to one another and race better than normal all-female teams, that is why we're all liking them better because we're biased. And for the record, i do like Nat and Kat better than Brooke and Claire.. but i wouldn't mind ANY one of these 2 winning because both truly deserved it based on their race performance so far.

From TAR 12 till now, almost every all-female team we had are just lagging behind and always doing so badly in the backpack every leg. Even with Cara and Jaime and Kisha and Jen who went all the way to the final 4, the two were also not performing very well with the more dominant teams overshadowing them such as Tammy and Victor and Margie and Luke. Hence i think it's really a nice change that we finally have not one, but TWO competitive all-female teams who are doing very well this season. And plus the fact that the other teams are equally competitive, you have an awesome race with unexpected race results. This is why TAR 17 is so much more fun and enjoyable to watch.

Which brings me back to the topic that - If you don't really follow the spoilers, you really do not know who will be eliminated next as an audience. But if you do, i think it's due time an all-female team win. :tup:

And my gut feeling says... Nat and Kat. :lol:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Cocoa on November 05, 2010, 06:35:33 AM
I'd love to get a race-order like this:

7th - Jill and Thomas
6th - Chad and Stephanie
5th -  Michael and Kevin / Gary and Mallory / Nick and Vicki
4th - Michael and Kevin / Gary and Mallory / Nick and Vicki
3rd - Michael and Kevin / Gary and Mallory / Nick and Vicki
2nd - Nat and Kat /  Brooke and Claire
1st - Nat and Kat /  Brooke and Claire

LOL. So many ties. :lol:

OR BETTER YET...

7th - Jill and Thomas
6th - Chad and Stephanie
5th - 1st: Anyone. :lol:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 05, 2010, 06:55:46 AM
7th - Jill and Thomas
6th - Chad and Stephanie
5th - 1st: Anyone. :lol:

Is this the first time we're agreeing on something??????? :hearts: :lol:

I would love the F3 to be Brooke and Claire, Nat and Kat and Gary and Mallory!!!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Ruth on November 05, 2010, 07:28:31 AM
7th - Jill and Thomas
6th - Chad and Stephanie
5th - 1st: Anyone. :lol:

Is this the first time we're agreeing on something??????? :hearts: :lol:

I would love the F3 to be Brooke and Claire, Nat and Kat and Gary and Mallory!!!


Woohoo I agree too! Nice bootlist you have there Uycocoa. And yes, if only the Final 3 were Brook/Claire, Nat/Kat and Gary/Mallory. Michael/Kevin replacing Gary/Mallory would be good too. But well...

I thought that Jet and Cord had the winners' edit last season. But they didn't win, it went to Dan and Jordan whom I don't think many of us expected. Cos they didn't really have a winners' kinda edit. So for this season, it can really go to anyone. Brook/Claire, Nat/Kat and Jill/Thomas have all won legs and have all been very competitive. It's gonna be a very exciting finale!

It's possible for Jill and Thomas to win, but I'll be extremely bored. It's like... Having 2 all-female teams in the finale, yet none of them wins again (think TAR 11), that will be really... Ugh!

My gut says that Nat and Kat will win too. But the fact that so many people think so, they might not win in the end. Brook and Claire are edited "too much" (I don't know how to put it, but you could say that they've been getting quite a lot of positive edit) so I'm a bit doubtful that they win. That leaves us with Jill and Thomas... Ah, I really hope not.

Okay, after the long story, I still did not give a clear answer on who I think will win. I WANT Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire to win. But... Let me say Jill and Thomas. Oops.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 05, 2010, 07:50:29 AM
7th - Jill and Thomas
6th - Chad and Stephanie
5th - 1st: Anyone. :lol:

Is this the first time we're agreeing on something??????? :hearts: :lol:

I would love the F3 to be Brooke and Claire, Nat and Kat and Gary and Mallory!!!

That would be my F3 of choice too, but it looks as though G/M get tripped up somewhere unfortunately.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 05, 2010, 07:56:25 AM
I think that Nat/Kat are going to win because they get a really positive edit. They come across as smart and bold and their bad characteristics and mistakes are tuned down. And the all "we work at the operation room", "We are just as Strong as the guys" bulls*it - come on... those girls are anesthesiologists. I am not degrading their profession, but its about one of the less aggressive branches of medicine that are out there.

 While the two other predicated F3 teams are actually stronger then them and are given some winners vibe, It seems that Nat/Kat are editors favs.

Jet and Cord were also the edit faves, yet they did not win because they were neither aggressive enough nor desperate enough.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Snooky on November 05, 2010, 08:28:32 AM
New topic...
Why does no one think Jill and Thomas will win? They've won two legs without Fast Forwarding.
Because they're boring? :lol:
I'd say because they don't have the edit for it.  Aside from a few snippets, they're mostly portrayed as "just there."  Those teams rarely win.
TK & Rachel anyone?
Anyway, I think Jill and Thomas are entertaining, especially Jill's voice. I just think they're aren't getting a very good edit.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 05, 2010, 08:39:54 AM
New topic...
Why does no one think Jill and Thomas will win? They've won two legs without Fast Forwarding.
Because they're boring? :lol:
I'd say because they don't have the edit for it.  Aside from a few snippets, they're mostly portrayed as "just there."  Those teams rarely win.
TK & Rachel anyone?
Anyway, I think Jill and Thomas are entertaining, especially Jill's voice. I just think they're aren't getting a very good edit.

Jill and Thomas just aren't as smart as the other two teams. They have equal physical abilities, but do not excel at mental tasks. Then again it would be hard to claim that either of the other two do either.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 05, 2010, 10:04:28 AM
New topic...
Why does no one think Jill and Thomas will win? They've won two legs without Fast Forwarding.
Because they're boring? :lol:
I'd say because they don't have the edit for it.  Aside from a few snippets, they're mostly portrayed as "just there."  Those teams rarely win.
TK & Rachel anyone?
Anyway, I think Jill and Thomas are entertaining, especially Jill's voice. I just think they're aren't getting a very good edit.

Jill and Thomas just aren't as smart as the other two teams. They have equal physical abilities, but do not excel at mental tasks. Then again it would be hard to claim that either of the other two do either.

Yeah, but Brook & Claire and Nat & Kat do a better job in mental tasks than Jill & Thomas.

And personally, I wouldn't be upset with Brook & Claire winning -- I'm just rooting for Nat & Kat more.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 05, 2010, 10:07:20 AM

Yeah, but Brook & Claire and Nat & Kat do a better job in mental tasks than Jill & Thomas.

And personally, I wouldn't be upset with Brook & Claire winning -- I'm just rooting for Nat & Kat more.

Belle Book



I definitely agree with both of those statements.

The final task is usually mental, so the question is who can complete it?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 05, 2010, 05:38:42 PM

Yeah, but Brook & Claire and Nat & Kat do a better job in mental tasks than Jill & Thomas.

And personally, I wouldn't be upset with Brook & Claire winning -- I'm just rooting for Nat & Kat more.

Belle Book



I definitely agree with both of those statements.

The final task is usually mental, so the question is who can complete it?

I'm hoping it's Nat & Kat first, with Brook & Claire second and Jill & Thomas third.  But as I said before, I wouldn't be upset with Brook & Claire finishing it first.  I just don't want Jill & Thomas to finish it first, because I like the other two teams more.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 05, 2010, 05:40:34 PM
And the fact that we want a first ever AllFemale team to win!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Vitoko on November 05, 2010, 07:11:51 PM

Yeah, but Brook & Claire and Nat & Kat do a better job in mental tasks than Jill & Thomas.

And personally, I wouldn't be upset with Brook & Claire winning -- I'm just rooting for Nat & Kat more.

Belle Book



I definitely agree with both of those statements.

The final task is usually mental, so the question is who can complete it?

I'm hoping it's Nat & Kat first, with Brook & Claire second and Jill & Thomas third.  But as I said before, I wouldn't be upset with Brook & Claire finishing it first.  I just don't want Jill & Thomas to finish it first, because I like the other two teams more.

Belle Book


I really don't think that the final memory task its a hard task anymore... i mean, i think its a great task, but since they are doing it every season has become predictable and all of the team are prepared to complete it fast...

Maybe except for TAR11 with the compatibility question about random facts of the race... and maybe TAR16 with the "Clandestick" thing i mean it was a silly clue after all and again the order of elimination was known by every team and memorized by every team... Don't take me wrong I love the memory task but its predictable now... its not a hard task anymore...
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 05, 2010, 07:28:37 PM

Yeah, but Brook & Claire and Nat & Kat do a better job in mental tasks than Jill & Thomas.

And personally, I wouldn't be upset with Brook & Claire winning -- I'm just rooting for Nat & Kat more.

Belle Book



I definitely agree with both of those statements.

The final task is usually mental, so the question is who can complete it?

I'm hoping it's Nat & Kat first, with Brook & Claire second and Jill & Thomas third.  But as I said before, I wouldn't be upset with Brook & Claire finishing it first.  I just don't want Jill & Thomas to finish it first, because I like the other two teams more.

Belle Book


I really don't think that the final memory task its a hard task anymore... i mean, i think its a great task, but since they are doing it every season has become predictable and all of the team are prepared to complete it fast...

Maybe except for TAR11 with the compatibility question about random facts of the race... and maybe TAR16 with the "Clandestick" thing i mean it was a silly clue after all and again the order of elimination was known by every team and memorized by every team... Don't take me wrong I love the memory task but its predictable now... its not a hard task anymore...

But there are other mental tasks now, such as the virtual reality task.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Cocoa on November 06, 2010, 04:30:23 AM
I hope our spoilers are wrong (sorry RFF) and instead, Jill and Thomas get booted before the F4. :lol:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 06, 2010, 06:23:33 AM
I hope our spoilers are wrong (sorry RFF) and instead, Jill and Thomas get booted before the F4. :lol:

Count me in! :lol:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 06, 2010, 08:00:19 AM
The spoilers have been wrong before, such as when Steve and Allie were spotted selling ice cream in Singapore after they had been eliminated on the previous leg. It is hard to refute that picture of Jill and Thomas running with the other two teams though.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: north09 on November 06, 2010, 04:20:48 PM
The spoilers have been wrong before, such as when Steve and Allie were spotted selling ice cream in Singapore after they had been eliminated on the previous leg. It is hard to refute that picture of Jill and Thomas running with the other two teams though.

A source also reported that her moner had seen two women in grey selling ice cream. It was assumed that between the two, one were still in the race and the others were decoys.

I think any of the final 3 teams can win this. Racing wise, Thomas & Jill and Nat & Kat would appear to be favored just a bit over Brook & Claire as they are tied with 2 1st place finishes each. But when the final leg arrives, it's proven to be anybody's game.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: David on November 07, 2010, 06:33:29 AM
One question, please. IF there are no seeings about teams on the Final Three, how do we know that Nick and Vicky will be eliminated as 4th placers?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: redskevin88 on November 07, 2010, 06:39:27 AM
One question, please. IF there are no seeings about teams on the Final Three, how do we know that Nick and Vicky will be eliminated as 4th placers?

We have sightings of them in Hong Kong and Korea...
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: furybaby on November 07, 2010, 07:55:36 PM
I hope our spoilers are wrong (sorry RFF) and instead, Jill and Thomas get booted before the F4. :lol:

Count me in! :lol:

hah me too   :hfive:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: weihen on November 08, 2010, 03:40:39 AM
I found they edit every winner cheer for their first destination or they're on amazing race before Ep1 intro start(except S16 winner,but they had interview before intro start).This season,Nat and Kat,Brook and Clarie had this,but Jill and Thomas not.So I think Jill and Thomas are not winner. Just guess.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Alvin06 on November 08, 2010, 05:56:36 AM
Hi all. I have not been active, but I just want to share my thoughts. Supposing Nat/Kat, Jill/Thomas, Brooke/Claire are indeed the final 3:

Jill/Thomas - Is it just me or am I seeing a Brent/Caite edit with their pair? Male/Female teams usually don't go rough with each other as much. And Jill/Thomas seem to fight in almost every episode. I don't think they'll win.
Brooke/Claire - No "bad luck" seen from them yet, no major bad luck. Edit-wise, they can at least be top 2.
Nat/Kat - They have been shown as "almost eliminated", and "bad luck with taxis". But the positive vibe we get from watching them makes me think that they'll win this.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Cocoa on November 08, 2010, 06:14:52 AM
Jill/Thomas are getting edited with a storyline like this, EVERY SINGLE TIME :res:

Jill: Oh, I can prove to him that no matter educational achievement I attained, I can still be a force in this team
Thomas: I am an educated person. I will dominate this team.

And the skit above is from (not in verbatim, only the idea) their pre-race confessional, which editors play again and again and again every single leg. Not putting this against the editors, but maybe that's the reason I don't like them (or, for goodness sake, the reason I like others than them), simply because they don't offer something fresh every leg.

Sorry for J/T fans out there! Peace be with y'all!  :hugs:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Ruth on November 08, 2010, 07:43:31 AM
Jill/Thomas are getting edited with a storyline like this, EVERY SINGLE TIME :res:

Jill: Oh, I can prove to him that no matter educational achievement I attained, I can still be a force in this team
Thomas: I am an educated person. I will dominate this team.

And the skit above is from (not in verbatim, only the idea) their pre-race confessional, which editors play again and again and again every single leg. Not putting this against the editors, but maybe that's the reason I don't like them (or, for goodness sake, the reason I like others than them), simply because they don't offer something fresh every leg.

Sorry for J/T fans out there! Peace be with y'all!  :hugs:

I agree with you Uycocoa. The first time I heard Thomas talking about how educated he is, I was like... Whatever. It seems like they haven't shown much mental abilities on this race, with his education level, whatever it is. Well other than spotting the words on the film during the film Detour in leg 6. But most of the other teams figured that out anyway.

That said, I wonder if the edit of Nat and Kat makes it too obvious. They did well initially, hit some rough spots, overcame their fears, and are racing strong again. This seems like a nice storyline for the winners, but the fact that it's so progressive, it makes me worried that they do not win in the end. Hmm.

Of course, it's still anybody's guess for the winners. Please let this season be the first that we see an all-female team win!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 08, 2010, 08:55:53 AM
Based on "Circus", J\T definitely are not mental enough to win. B\C and N\K are the teams to beat. N\K may be more steady than B\C, but the steady team does not usually win. N\K are correct that they now have a target on their backs, as Jet and Cord had last season by the time the final rolled around.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: NumfarPTB on November 08, 2010, 04:40:39 PM
I think we might finally be getting a all female team winning this year. (Hope so)
The edits on recent Elimination Stations, if that can be used as evidence seems to support it. Although, having Katie and Rachel nagging about the issue every other minute there, does help editors of Elim. Stations to include those scenes there.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Cocoa on November 08, 2010, 05:34:45 PM
I hope we don't get the same surprise as we did last season: Planting into our minds that Jet & Cord (the crowd's favorite) will win the race, but Dan & Jordan beat them.

It was a surprising end.

This season, everyone's rooting for Natasha and Katia and Watermelons. So I have a feeling.... argh, nevermind. :'(

Dan & Jordan were deserving to win, so it's kinda ok that the cowboys lost... but if Jill & Thomas do win this race, UGH.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2010, 09:15:20 AM
Gary\Mallory
Chad\Stephanie
Nick\Vicki
Jill\Thomas

Brooke\Claire
Nat\Kat

It basically comes down to the two FF teams. Which one will take the mil?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 09, 2010, 10:05:33 AM
Well, I sure hope it's Nat & Kat -- you can tell from my avatar and the phrase underneath it -- but I'd be okay with Brook & Claire winning.  I agree with you, Prophet -- it's between them for the win and Jill & Thomas will be the losers.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Zvarri on November 09, 2010, 10:43:32 AM
Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire shall win!   :jumpy:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Ary on November 09, 2010, 11:05:03 AM
any all female team, personally I want grey anatomy team win it, but I don't mind with Brook & Claire, this is the time TAR make history for all female team to win it (crossed finger) if another couple team  win it again, I think I will take a break watch TAR about 1 season.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2010, 11:25:56 AM
On one hand, people support either FF team, but their avatars speak volumes...  :innocent:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: David on November 09, 2010, 12:14:27 PM
One question, please. IF there are no seeings about teams on the Final Three, how do we know that Nick and Vicky will be eliminated as 4th placers?

We have sightings of them in Hong Kong and Korea...

My question is: Why do we think they're 4th and that they were not in the final? We have no seeings on the final...
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2010, 12:19:03 PM
One question, please. IF there are no seeings about teams on the Final Three, how do we know that Nick and Vicky will be eliminated as 4th placers?

We have sightings of them in Hong Kong and Korea...

My question is: Why do we think they're 4th and that they were not in the final? We have no seeings on the final...


Nick and Vicki were seen in LAX hanging out with production rather than just racing. Do you really think they can win?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: georgiapeach on November 09, 2010, 12:33:17 PM
One question, please. IF there are no seeings about teams on the Final Three, how do we know that Nick and Vicky will be eliminated as 4th placers?

We have sightings of them in Hong Kong and Korea...

My question is: Why do we think they're 4th and that they were not in the final? We have no seeings on the final...

Here you go David!

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21997.msg569919.html#msg569919
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2010, 06:53:01 PM
If it came down to the two FF teams at the final mental task, both pitted in a race for the mil, which one is more likely to win out? N\K b\c of their slow but clean mental skills or B\C b\c of their emotionless task efficiency?  :duno:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 09, 2010, 08:17:48 PM
If it came down to the two FF teams at the final mental task, both pitted in a race for the mil, which one is more likely to win out? N\K b\c of their slow but clean mental skills or B\C b\c of their emotionless task efficiency?  :duno:

I have no idea!  It could be either team!  As I said,  I'd prefer it to be Nat & Kat, however.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: CheyneTAR on November 09, 2010, 09:11:56 PM
7th - Jill and Thomas
6th - Chad and Stephanie
5th - 1st: Anyone. :lol:

Is this the first time we're agreeing on something??????? :hearts: :lol:

I would love the F3 to be Brooke and Claire, Nat and Kat and Gary and Mallory!!!


yes, I would agree to.

but I have my doubts with Gary/Mallory making it there :(

But I think it's going to be somewhat like this

6th- Chad/Stephanie
5th-Gary/Mallory
4th- Nick/Vicky
3rd- Jill/Thomas
2nd-Nat?Kat or Brook/Claire
1st- Nat/Kat or Brook/Claire
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: georgiapeach on November 09, 2010, 09:56:04 PM
:welcome: to RFF, Cheyne!! :waves:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Ruth on November 10, 2010, 12:58:24 AM
It's nice that everyone thinks it will come down to Nat and Kat vs Brook and Claire at the end. Logically, I would think so too. Both teams have impressive racing skills, whereas Jill and Thomas just bicker all day. But viewers would get a rude shock if after all this speculation and hope, a couple still wins at the end. Ah I sure hope a female team takes it this season!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 10, 2010, 01:41:41 PM
It's nice that everyone thinks it will come down to Nat and Kat vs Brook and Claire at the end. Logically, I would think so too. Both teams have impressive racing skills, whereas Jill and Thomas just bicker all day. But viewers would get a rude shock if after all this speculation and hope, a couple still wins at the end. Ah I sure hope a female team takes it this season!

The producers rigged this season with a high of four FF teams in order to force one to win so that they could receive good ratings. But believe it or not, I think either FF team left could win a normal season, being that I have never seen any FF teams like Nat\Kat and Brooke\Claire.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Unlaced on November 10, 2010, 02:21:32 PM
It's nice that everyone thinks it will come down to Nat and Kat vs Brook and Claire at the end. Logically, I would think so too. Both teams have impressive racing skills, whereas Jill and Thomas just bicker all day. But viewers would get a rude shock if after all this speculation and hope, a couple still wins at the end. Ah I sure hope a female team takes it this season!

The producers rigged this season with a high of four FF teams in order to force one to win so that they could receive good ratings. But believe it or not, I think either FF team left could win a normal season, being that I have never seen any FF teams like Nat\Kat and Brooke\Claire.

That's funny. Since we never had 4 F/F teams in a season ( in the 15th, there was only ONE!!!!), then the producers were rigging the previous 16 seasons to a F/F team not win?

Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 10, 2010, 02:27:55 PM

That's funny. Since we never had 4 F/F teams in a season ( in the 15th, there was only ONE!!!!), then the producers were rigging the previous 16 seasons to a F/F team not win?

Here are the numbers of FF teams according to each race:
TAR 1=3
TAR 2=3
TAR 3=1
TAR 4=2
TAR 5=3
TAR 6=2
TAR 7=2
TAR 9=3
TAR 10=3
TAR 11=2
TAR 12=3
TAR 13=2
TAR 14=3
TAR 15=1
TAR 16=2

So there has never been four FF teams in one race until now
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: DrRox on November 10, 2010, 02:37:09 PM
It's nice that everyone thinks it will come down to Nat and Kat vs Brook and Claire at the end. Logically, I would think so too. Both teams have impressive racing skills, whereas Jill and Thomas just bicker all day. But viewers would get a rude shock if after all this speculation and hope, a couple still wins at the end. Ah I sure hope a female team takes it this season!

The producers rigged this season

The only way you could know that is if you were in the production casting meeting. Are you another WRP/CBS plant. We got rid of one of them already this year.



BTW.....my prediction for the final standings in a month.
1st Nat/Kat
2nd Jill/Thomas
3rd Brooke/Claire
4th Nick/Vicki
5th Chad/Stephanie
6th Gary/Mallory
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 10, 2010, 02:55:02 PM
It's nice that everyone thinks it will come down to Nat and Kat vs Brook and Claire at the end. Logically, I would think so too. Both teams have impressive racing skills, whereas Jill and Thomas just bicker all day. But viewers would get a rude shock if after all this speculation and hope, a couple still wins at the end. Ah I sure hope a female team takes it this season!

The producers rigged this season

The only way you could know that is if you were in the production casting meeting. Are you another WRP/CBS plant. We got rid of one of them already this year.

You had a plant on here? Why did they plant somebody? Besides you took that quote out of context we were just talking about how the production is now casting in a different way than they used to. If I am from CBS what do you think I'm going to say, "sure they assigned me to watch this board" ? You would think you guys would want an inside source around.

How did you prove that the other person was a plant?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: FLFan on November 10, 2010, 03:18:30 PM
It's nice that everyone thinks it will come down to Nat and Kat vs Brook and Claire at the end. Logically, I would think so too. Both teams have impressive racing skills, whereas Jill and Thomas just bicker all day. But viewers would get a rude shock if after all this speculation and hope, a couple still wins at the end. Ah I sure hope a female team takes it this season!

The producers rigged this season

The only way you could know that is if you were in the production casting meeting. Are you another WRP/CBS plant. We got rid of one of them already this year.

I wouldn't say the race was rigged....

I think it is more that they finally got enough interested and interesting F/F teams to put in the same race.  They have had some good F/F teams, but none with the strength, endurance and/or just shear determination of Nat & Kat or Brooke & Claire.

Kat was willing to power through eating meat after 22 yrs of being a vegetarian.  Claire ascended the rigging from the bridge even though she was clearly exhausted.  Nat took a lift ride even though frightened to tears.  I can't remember something for Brooke, but her sheer enthusiasm could motive almost any team.

I think the best F/F team before this might have been Jaime & Cara (of course this is certainly open for debate), however Jaime's lack of patience, especially with foreign languages, was a lot of their downfall.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 10, 2010, 03:25:18 PM
It's nice that everyone thinks it will come down to Nat and Kat vs Brook and Claire at the end. Logically, I would think so too. Both teams have impressive racing skills, whereas Jill and Thomas just bicker all day. But viewers would get a rude shock if after all this speculation and hope, a couple still wins at the end. Ah I sure hope a female team takes it this season!

The producers rigged this season

The only way you could know that is if you were in the production casting meeting. Are you another WRP/CBS plant. We got rid of one of them already this year.

I wouldn't say the race was rigged....

I think it is more that they finally got enough interested and interesting F/F teams to put in the same race.  They have had some good F/F teams, but none with the strength, endurance and/or just shear determination of Nat & Kat or Brooke & Claire.

Kat was willing to power through eating meat after 22 yrs of being a vegetarian.  Claire ascended the rigging from the bridge even though she was clearly exhausted.  Nat took a lift ride even though frightened to tears.  I can't remember something for Brooke, but her sheer enthusiasm could motive almost any team.

I think the best F/F team before this might have been Jaime & Cara (of course this is certainly open for debate), however Jaime's lack of patience, especially with foreign languages, was a lot of their downfall.

If you read my original post instead of drrox's misquote you would see that I thought those two teams could have won other seasons. I never actually meant rigged and wish I hadn't used that word now. I only think they may have put in an unusual amount of all female teams to help the probability. But again I do think these two are the best FF teams they have had.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Rob on November 10, 2010, 03:28:42 PM
I agree, they stacked themselves, but I understand what you are saying when you say rigged, but yeah, they stacked it so that the chances of an all female team would win, for sure!

I know for a fact that the producers take fairness very seriously, but it doesn't hurt them to help their cause a little bit....I get what you are saying the-pr0phet :)
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: FLFan on November 10, 2010, 03:34:39 PM
It's nice that everyone thinks it will come down to Nat and Kat vs Brook and Claire at the end. Logically, I would think so too. Both teams have impressive racing skills, whereas Jill and Thomas just bicker all day. But viewers would get a rude shock if after all this speculation and hope, a couple still wins at the end. Ah I sure hope a female team takes it this season!

The producers rigged this season

The only way you could know that is if you were in the production casting meeting. Are you another WRP/CBS plant. We got rid of one of them already this year.

I wouldn't say the race was rigged....

I think it is more that they finally got enough interested and interesting F/F teams to put in the same race.  They have had some good F/F teams, but none with the strength, endurance and/or just shear determination of Nat & Kat or Brooke & Claire.

Kat was willing to power through eating meat after 22 yrs of being a vegetarian.  Claire ascended the rigging from the bridge even though she was clearly exhausted.  Nat took a lift ride even though frightened to tears.  I can't remember something for Brooke, but her sheer enthusiasm could motive almost any team.

I think the best F/F team before this might have been Jaime & Cara (of course this is certainly open for debate), however Jaime's lack of patience, especially with foreign languages, was a lot of their downfall.

If you read my original post instead of drrox's misquote you would see that I thought those two teams could have won other seasons. I never actually meant rigged and wish I hadn't used that word now. I only think they may have put in an unusual amount of all female teams to help the probability. But again I do think these two are the best FF teams they have had.

Actually, I was agreeing with you.   Not that it is was rigged, of course.  I think you just chose a word with an unfortuate connotation.  It is just that TAR has been around long enough that it has attracted more really strong F/F teams available for casting this year.  If you get good F/F teams, it makes sense to use them.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Levi Rinno on November 10, 2010, 03:39:02 PM

That's funny. Since we never had 4 F/F teams in a season ( in the 15th, there was only ONE!!!!), then the producers were rigging the previous 16 seasons to a F/F team not win?

Here are the numbers of FF teams according to each race:
TAR 1=3
TAR 2=3
TAR 3=1
TAR 4=2
TAR 5=3
TAR 6=2
TAR 7=2
TAR 9=3
TAR 10=3
TAR 11=2
TAR 12=3
TAR 13=2
TAR 14=3
TAR 15=1
TAR 16=2

So there has never been four FF teams in one race until now
Wrong.

TAR1 = 3 (Kim & Leslie, Pat & Brenda, Nancy & Emily)
TAR2 = 3 (Deidre & Hillary, Peggy & Claire, Mary & Peach)
TAR3 = 2 (Gina & Sylvia, Heather & Eve)
TAR4 = 2 (Monica & Sheree, Tian & Jaree)
TAR5 = 3 (Charla & Mirna, Kami & Karli, Linda & Karen)
TAR6 = 2 (Meredith & Maria, Lena & Kristy)
TAR7 = 2 (Megan & Heidi, Debbie & Bianca)
TAR8 = 1 (Godlewski Family)
TAR9 = 3 (Lisa & Joni, Wanda & Desiree, Danielle & Dani)
TAR10 = 3 (Kellie & Jamie, Dustin & Kandice, Lyn & Karlyn)
TAR11 = 2 (Charla & Mirna, Dustin & Kandice)
TAR12 = 3 (Kate & Pat, Marianna & Julia, Shana & Jennifer)
TAR13 = 2 (Marisa & Brooke, Kelly & Christy)
TAR14 = 3 (Christie & Jodi, Kisha & Jen, Jaime & Cara)
TAR15 = 1 (Maria & Tiffany)
TAR16 = 3 (Jody & Shannon, Monique & Shawne, Carol & Brandy)

And now . . .

TAR17 = 4 (Andie & Jenna, Katie & Rachel, Nat & Kat, Brook & Claire)
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: TexasLady on November 10, 2010, 03:40:07 PM
I agree with Rob, I get it as well. Rigged is a charged word, with TAR there are so many intangibles that it would be hard to say that you could actually rig an all female team to win. One bad taxi driver can cause disaster as we've seen many times. Not being able to do a task like deciphering Morse code was a killer for Joe and Heidi but it's unknowable how another team would have handled it.

Let's disregard the "rigged" word and move on with the discussion. OK?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: DrRox on November 10, 2010, 05:21:02 PM
the-pr0phet et al,

I only thing I know you mean is by the words you use. If it's not what you mean, then use the proper word. No one here is a mind reader.

I, personally, do not see any rigging or stacking this year. I do not think they set this TAR up for a female team to win. What I do see by looking at that list is the norm that TAR uses is 3 FF teams.....in this case, Nat/Kat, Brooke/Claire, and Katie/Rachel fit the norm. Even though Andie/Jenna are FF.....I really think to myself that they are certainly more unique than that...

Andie/Jenna is a unique storyline beside just being another FF team. Just as Peter/Sarah was more than being just a couple and Margie/Luke was more than just being a Parent/Child team. Sometime teams do just not fit in the "relationship" boxes.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 10, 2010, 05:23:29 PM
the-pr0phet et al,

I only thing I know you mean is by the words you use. If it's not what you mean, then use the proper word. No one here is a mind reader.

I, personally, do not see any rigging or stacking this year. I do not think they set this TAR up for a female team to win. What I do see by looking at that list is the norm that TAR uses is 3 FF teams.....in this case, Nat/Kat, Brooke/Claire, and Katie/Rachel fit the norm. Even though Andie/Jenna are FF.....I really think to myself that they are certainly more unique than that...

Andie/Jenna is a unique storyline beside just being another FF team. Just as Peter/Sarah was more than being just a couple and Margie/Luke was more than just being a Parent/Child team. Sometime teams do just not fit in the "relationship" boxes.

I can understand that thinking and even agree with it, but that explanation does not reflect your original, extreme reaction.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 10, 2010, 05:27:43 PM
So what we have accomplished in our strange discussions is this: there is weight in the theory that the quality of TAR 17's FF teams is better than that of past FF teams. Having said this, I believe that the quality of the couples and MM teams has diminished this season.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: TexasLady on November 10, 2010, 05:45:27 PM
I was just thinking about strong women teams, I would have thought that Katie & Rachel would have been one of the strongest teams in the race, they know how to compete, know each other well, are athletes, and yet they got behind and never could catch up. So many imponderables.

Back on topic, I have no idea who will win but it's probably a good guess that Brook/Claire or Nat/Kat were surely competing to win wherever the final mat ended up. (Where DID they go after they landed at LA?)

Let's move this discussion on, I'm beginning to think maybe it should just be ended.  :eye:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 10, 2010, 05:48:28 PM
Nobody knows if the F3 even stayed in LA, Texas. They did a good job hiding the teams.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: TexasLady on November 10, 2010, 06:01:40 PM
Nobody knows if the F3 even stayed in LA, Texas. They did a good job hiding the teams.

Exactly! We don't know and TPTB temporarily at least have us guessing.  :lol:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 10, 2010, 06:58:03 PM
Nobody knows if the F3 even stayed in LA, Texas. They did a good job hiding the teams.

Exactly! We don't know and TPTB temporarily at least have us guessing.  :lol:

But based on the famous Hong Kong picture and the sightings of N\V with production, we can make an educated guess.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: georgiapeach on November 10, 2010, 07:50:58 PM


But based on the famous Hong Kong picture and the sightings of N\V with production, we can make an educated guess.

Which has what to do with LA? ???
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 10, 2010, 08:29:23 PM


But based on the famous Hong Kong picture and the sightings of N\V with production, we can make an educated guess.

Which has what to do with LA? ???

The point of this forum is for us to guess at which of those will win. It doesn't help us know where they are though.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: georgiapeach on November 10, 2010, 08:53:42 PM

The point of this forum is for us to guess at which of those will win.

You really believe that? ???
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: mswood on November 10, 2010, 11:15:51 PM
Personally I would love to find out that Jill & Thomas won.  That they were actually on that flight (or an earlier one though that is highly doubtful with the type of planning done on the last half dozen final legs).

I have no problem with any of the final three teams winning as all have had strong legs, all have had poor legs, and all seem to be actually racing...through this season.

But I have never really wanted a female team to win if their was a feeling like casting was trying to help enable it, by either casting softer competition, or by casting more.  Just like season four seemed to just hand over the race to one of the many male teams cast.

As for casting soft the productions type of male casting has changed dramatically over the years, even going so far in all stars as not considering them for spots (I still get upset about that).  Seasons 11, 12, 13, and 14 featured no fit athletic young male teams.  Though with season 15 you had Sam and Dan and while Flight Time is over 30 they certainly were physically strong so lets count them as well and 16 had Jet & Cord (again I think one was in their 30's or 30) but they were physically fit so I would count them.  And of course 17 back to no fit young athletic male teams.

Of course with the race a good chuck is luck and teams that on paper should do well can do terrible.  

I would rather have just seen a female team win against strong male teams, as well as fit young couple teams.  Thats probably my only real complaint.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 11, 2010, 07:54:51 AM
Personally I would love to find out that Jill & Thomas won.  That they were actually on that flight (or an earlier one though that is highly doubtful with the type of planning done on the last half dozen final legs).

I have no problem with any of the final three teams winning as all have had strong legs, all have had poor legs, and all seem to be actually racing...through this season.

But I have never really wanted a female team to win if their was a feeling like casting was trying to help enable it, by either casting softer competition, or by casting more.  Just like season four seemed to just hand over the race to one of the many male teams cast.

As for casting soft the productions type of male casting has changed dramatically over the years, even going so far in all stars as not considering them for spots (I still get upset about that).  Seasons 11, 12, 13, and 14 featured no fit athletic young male teams.  Though with season 15 you had Sam and Dan and while Flight Time is over 30 they certainly were physically strong so lets count them as well and 16 had Jet & Cord (again I think one was in their 30's or 30) but they were physically fit so I would count them.  And of course 17 back to no fit young athletic male teams.

Of course with the race a good chuck is luck and teams that on paper should do well can do terrible.  

I would rather have just seen a female team win against strong male teams, as well as fit young couple teams.  Thats probably my only real complaint.

Your statement could be reversed to say that a FF team has never had a chance before because of all the athletic MM teams. They decided not to cast any of those this year, maybe they are trying to give the FF teams a chance.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 11, 2010, 08:41:47 AM
Personally I would love to find out that Jill & Thomas won.  That they were actually on that flight (or an earlier one though that is highly doubtful with the type of planning done on the last half dozen final legs).

I have no problem with any of the final three teams winning as all have had strong legs, all have had poor legs, and all seem to be actually racing...through this season.

But I have never really wanted a female team to win if their was a feeling like casting was trying to help enable it, by either casting softer competition, or by casting more.  Just like season four seemed to just hand over the race to one of the many male teams cast.

As for casting soft the productions type of male casting has changed dramatically over the years, even going so far in all stars as not considering them for spots (I still get upset about that).  Seasons 11, 12, 13, and 14 featured no fit athletic young male teams.  Though with season 15 you had Sam and Dan and while Flight Time is over 30 they certainly were physically strong so lets count them as well and 16 had Jet & Cord (again I think one was in their 30's or 30) but they were physically fit so I would count them.  And of course 17 back to no fit young athletic male teams.

Of course with the race a good chuck is luck and teams that on paper should do well can do terrible.  

I would rather have just seen a female team win against strong male teams, as well as fit young couple teams.  Thats probably my only real complaint.

Your little complaint could be reversed to say that a FF team has never had a chance before because of all the athletic MM teams.

I'm biased and i don't care. I just want an all-female team to win. And it's not about alpha male teams or what. The last time we had all-female teams in the final 3, (TAR 14 and Allstars except TAR 10).. they all lost against a co-ed team. In fact in all-stars, both Charla and Mirna and BQs lost against Eric and Danielle, who're weaker than them.

And no to Jill and Thomas winning. It will kill my TAR appetite, i'm serious.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 11, 2010, 09:00:16 AM
Personally I would love to find out that Jill & Thomas won.  That they were actually on that flight (or an earlier one though that is highly doubtful with the type of planning done on the last half dozen final legs).

I have no problem with any of the final three teams winning as all have had strong legs, all have had poor legs, and all seem to be actually racing...through this season.

But I have never really wanted a female team to win if their was a feeling like casting was trying to help enable it, by either casting softer competition, or by casting more.  Just like season four seemed to just hand over the race to one of the many male teams cast.

As for casting soft the productions type of male casting has changed dramatically over the years, even going so far in all stars as not considering them for spots (I still get upset about that).  Seasons 11, 12, 13, and 14 featured no fit athletic young male teams.  Though with season 15 you had Sam and Dan and while Flight Time is over 30 they certainly were physically strong so lets count them as well and 16 had Jet & Cord (again I think one was in their 30's or 30) but they were physically fit so I would count them.  And of course 17 back to no fit young athletic male teams.

Of course with the race a good chuck is luck and teams that on paper should do well can do terrible.  

I would rather have just seen a female team win against strong male teams, as well as fit young couple teams.  Thats probably my only real complaint.

Your little complaint could be reversed to say that a FF team has never had a chance before because of all the athletic MM teams.

I'm biased and i don't care. I just want an all-female team to win. And it's not about alpha male teams or what. The last time we had all-female teams in the final 3, (TAR 14 and Allstars except TAR 10).. they all lost against a co-ed team. In fact in all-stars, both Charla and Mirna and BQs lost against Eric and Danielle, who're weaker than them.

And no to Jill and Thomas winning. It will kill my TAR appetite, i'm serious.

Now you see why people like Nat&Kat and Brooke&Claire have come on the race-to be the first FF team to win.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 11, 2010, 09:19:41 AM

The point of this forum is for us to guess at which of those will win.

You really believe that? ???

Sorry if you thought I meant the whole forum. I was referring to this particular topic I created.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 11, 2010, 09:58:49 AM
Personally I would love to find out that Jill & Thomas won.  That they were actually on that flight (or an earlier one though that is highly doubtful with the type of planning done on the last half dozen final legs).

I have no problem with any of the final three teams winning as all have had strong legs, all have had poor legs, and all seem to be actually racing...through this season.

But I have never really wanted a female team to win if their was a feeling like casting was trying to help enable it, by either casting softer competition, or by casting more.  Just like season four seemed to just hand over the race to one of the many male teams cast.

As for casting soft the productions type of male casting has changed dramatically over the years, even going so far in all stars as not considering them for spots (I still get upset about that).  Seasons 11, 12, 13, and 14 featured no fit athletic young male teams.  Though with season 15 you had Sam and Dan and while Flight Time is over 30 they certainly were physically strong so lets count them as well and 16 had Jet & Cord (again I think one was in their 30's or 30) but they were physically fit so I would count them.  And of course 17 back to no fit young athletic male teams.

Of course with the race a good chuck is luck and teams that on paper should do well can do terrible.  

I would rather have just seen a female team win against strong male teams, as well as fit young couple teams.  Thats probably my only real complaint.

Your little complaint could be reversed to say that a FF team has never had a chance before because of all the athletic MM teams.

I'm biased and i don't care. I just want an all-female team to win. And it's not about alpha male teams or what. The last time we had all-female teams in the final 3, (TAR 14 and Allstars except TAR 10).. they all lost against a co-ed team. In fact in all-stars, both Charla and Mirna and BQs lost against Eric and Danielle, who're weaker than them.

And no to Jill and Thomas winning. It will kill my TAR appetite, i'm serious.

Won't entirely kill my TAR appetite, but it will spoil the whole season for me.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 11, 2010, 10:05:55 AM

Won't entirely kill my TAR appetite, but it will spoil the whole season for me.

Belle Book


If the editors continue creating "surprise" finishes, such as last season's finish, they may turn viewers away, which makes me rethink my editing theory. :ascared
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Zatchbellcool on November 11, 2010, 11:49:32 AM
Hello Everyone!!

I just wanted to give my two cents on who I think will win. I've noticed something ever since I started watching TAR (And of course going back to seasons before I started).
What I've noticed with Editing is that The first team introduced (Or First team to appear in the theme sequence) NEVER win.

So, For example this season, The first team introduced by Phil is Brooke and Claire and the first team on the Theme is Nick and Vicki. I personally don't think those two teams win (Due to the Nick and Vicki spoilers) but I am rooting for Brooke and Clair (Because as much as I use this method, I still think it can fail).

I can give an example of how I knew Dan and Jordan won within the first 10 minuets of watching the premier. Thanks to RFF spoilers I found out the Final 3 was Jet and Cord, Brent and Caiti and Dan and Jordan. I noticed B/C were introduced First by Phil and J/C were First in the Theme music.

So I hope this helps ANY (Still keep in mind, this can fail. So don't take it for gold :P)
-ZBC
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 11, 2010, 12:14:17 PM
Hello Everyone!!

I just wanted to give my two cents on who I think will win. I've noticed something ever since I started watching TAR (And of course going back to seasons before I started).
What I've noticed with Editing is that The first team introduced (Or First team to appear in the theme sequence) NEVER win.

So, For example this season, The first team introduced by Phil is Brooke and Claire and the first team on the Theme is Nick and Vicki. I personally don't think those two teams win (Due to the Nick and Vicki spoilers) but I am rooting for Brooke and Clair (Because as much as I use this method, I still think it can fail).

I can give an example of how I knew Dan and Jordan won within the first 10 minuets of watching the premier. Thanks to RFF spoilers I found out the Final 3 was Jet and Cord, Brent and Caiti and Dan and Jordan. I noticed B/C were introduced First by Phil and J/C were First in the Theme music.

So I hope this helps ANY (Still keep in mind, this can fail. So don't take it for gold :P)
-ZBC

Can you remember who was first on these in other seasons?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Levi Rinno on November 11, 2010, 12:39:44 PM
Personally I would love to find out that Jill & Thomas won.  That they were actually on that flight (or an earlier one though that is highly doubtful with the type of planning done on the last half dozen final legs).

I have no problem with any of the final three teams winning as all have had strong legs, all have had poor legs, and all seem to be actually racing...through this season.

But I have never really wanted a female team to win if their was a feeling like casting was trying to help enable it, by either casting softer competition, or by casting more.  Just like season four seemed to just hand over the race to one of the many male teams cast.

As for casting soft the productions type of male casting has changed dramatically over the years, even going so far in all stars as not considering them for spots (I still get upset about that).  Seasons 11, 12, 13, and 14 featured no fit athletic young male teams.  Though with season 15 you had Sam and Dan and while Flight Time is over 30 they certainly were physically strong so lets count them as well and 16 had Jet & Cord (again I think one was in their 30's or 30) but they were physically fit so I would count them.  And of course 17 back to no fit young athletic male teams.

Of course with the race a good chuck is luck and teams that on paper should do well can do terrible.  

I would rather have just seen a female team win against strong male teams, as well as fit young couple teams.  Thats probably my only real complaint.

Your little complaint could be reversed to say that a FF team has never had a chance before because of all the athletic MM teams.

I'm biased and i don't care. I just want an all-female team to win. And it's not about alpha male teams or what. The last time we had all-female teams in the final 3, (TAR 14 and Allstars except TAR 10).. they all lost against a co-ed team. In fact in all-stars, both Charla and Mirna and BQs lost against Eric and Danielle, who're weaker than them.

And no to Jill and Thomas winning. It will kill my TAR appetite, i'm serious.

Won't entirely kill my TAR appetite, but it will spoil the whole season for me.

Belle Book

I'm about more where you are, Belle Book, than Joab.  Wouldn't make me give up the show, but it'd be a very sour ending to what's turning out to be an otherwise great season so far.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Levi Rinno on November 11, 2010, 12:49:25 PM
Hello Everyone!!

I just wanted to give my two cents on who I think will win. I've noticed something ever since I started watching TAR (And of course going back to seasons before I started).
What I've noticed with Editing is that The first team introduced (Or First team to appear in the theme sequence) NEVER win.

So, For example this season, The first team introduced by Phil is Brooke and Claire and the first team on the Theme is Nick and Vicki. I personally don't think those two teams win (Due to the Nick and Vicki spoilers) but I am rooting for Brooke and Clair (Because as much as I use this method, I still think it can fail).

I can give an example of how I knew Dan and Jordan won within the first 10 minuets of watching the premier. Thanks to RFF spoilers I found out the Final 3 was Jet and Cord, Brent and Caiti and Dan and Jordan. I noticed B/C were introduced First by Phil and J/C were First in the Theme music.

So I hope this helps ANY (Still keep in mind, this can fail. So don't take it for gold :P)
-ZBC

Can you remember who was first on these in other seasons?
I don't remember all the first teams introduced by Phil, but I know who was first in every opening sequence.

TAR1: Paul & Amie
TAR2: Blake & Paige
TAR3: Heather & Eve
TAR4: Kelly & Jon
TAR5: Brandon & Nicole
TAR6: Kris & Jon
TAR7: Debbie & Bianca
TAR8: Gaghan Family
TAR9: Dave & Lori
TAR10: Peter & Sarah
TAR11: Rob & Amber
TAR12: Marianna & Julia
TAR13: Nick & Starr
TAR14: Preston & Jennifer
TAR15: Brian & Ericka
TAR16: Jet & Cord
TAR17: Nick & Vicki

Only seven of these teams have made the F3, and only one of them has won.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Dånooky on November 11, 2010, 03:23:04 PM
Hello Everyone!!

I just wanted to give my two cents on who I think will win. I've noticed something ever since I started watching TAR (And of course going back to seasons before I started).
What I've noticed with Editing is that The first team introduced (Or First team to appear in the theme sequence) NEVER win.

So, For example this season, The first team introduced by Phil is Brooke and Claire and the first team on the Theme is Nick and Vicki. I personally don't think those two teams win (Due to the Nick and Vicki spoilers) but I am rooting for Brooke and Clair (Because as much as I use this method, I still think it can fail).

I can give an example of how I knew Dan and Jordan won within the first 10 minuets of watching the premier. Thanks to RFF spoilers I found out the Final 3 was Jet and Cord, Brent and Caiti and Dan and Jordan. I noticed B/C were introduced First by Phil and J/C were First in the Theme music.

So I hope this helps ANY (Still keep in mind, this can fail. So don't take it for gold :P)
-ZBC
Correlation does not imply causation. Keep in mind that having 11-12 teams and only one winner, it is very difficult to have a winner in the first intro slot if they are put randomly.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 11, 2010, 07:54:45 PM
I think this is the year for an all female team to win.

Brook/Claire or Nat/Kat

Me too.  I want Nat & Kat to win (as you can tell from my avatar) but I'll be happy with a Brook & Claire win.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: mswood on November 12, 2010, 09:30:47 PM
Personally I would love to find out that Jill & Thomas won.  That they were actually on that flight (or an earlier one though that is highly doubtful with the type of planning done on the last half dozen final legs).

I have no problem with any of the final three teams winning as all have had strong legs, all have had poor legs, and all seem to be actually racing...through this season.

But I have never really wanted a female team to win if their was a feeling like casting was trying to help enable it, by either casting softer competition, or by casting more.  Just like season four seemed to just hand over the race to one of the many male teams cast.

As for casting soft the productions type of male casting has changed dramatically over the years, even going so far in all stars as not considering them for spots (I still get upset about that).  Seasons 11, 12, 13, and 14 featured no fit athletic young male teams.  Though with season 15 you had Sam and Dan and while Flight Time is over 30 they certainly were physically strong so lets count them as well and 16 had Jet & Cord (again I think one was in their 30's or 30) but they were physically fit so I would count them.  And of course 17 back to no fit young athletic male teams.

Of course with the race a good chuck is luck and teams that on paper should do well can do terrible. 

I would rather have just seen a female team win against strong male teams, as well as fit young couple teams.  Thats probably my only real complaint.

Your statement could be reversed to say that a FF team has never had a chance before because of all the athletic MM teams. They decided not to cast any of those this year, maybe they are trying to give the FF teams a chance.
Why could my point be that.  I think a fit athletic female team should be capable of doing well against a fit athletic young couple and a fit athletic male team.  The biggest reason women have underperformed in the race isn't lack of strength.  Which is the one place you could rationally argue that Alpha male teams might be superior to Athletic women (in fact it depends on the individuals I hate blanket statements), but that hasn't traditionally been what has done in teams.  Driving (More female teams have not known how to drive stick then men teams, why?), self navigation (reading maps, compasses), and more task choices.  And historically the physically strongest teams aren't the teams that win?  So I don't think I would ever make that call.  There are a few exceptions (season 1, season 2 are the only two where the physical strongest team was the team to win). 

And I reiterate (I think I should have put this statement first not second), I like all three final three teams (about even actually) both in personality and in performance skills.  I have to problem with any of them winning.

I don't just want Nat & Kat or Brook & Claire to win due to the fact that they are women.  And you see comments that state I want this team to win because I want to see a female team win, anything else would ruin a season for me (and I find comments like that just utterly outlandish).  I have never used genetic factors as a primary reason for why I root for teams.  First and foremost I root for teams that race (and why I was so disappointed by last season across the board), 2nd how they interact with each other and their environment (You be mean to locals and more then once then I am going to have a hard time liking you no matter how well you race), and how well you play with other teams.  Wil and Tara strong racers, but treated each other poorly, treated locals poorly and treated other teams poorly, so no matter that they race well I would never root for them (an example).
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Levi Rinno on November 12, 2010, 10:50:34 PM
Personally I would love to find out that Jill & Thomas won.  That they were actually on that flight (or an earlier one though that is highly doubtful with the type of planning done on the last half dozen final legs).

I have no problem with any of the final three teams winning as all have had strong legs, all have had poor legs, and all seem to be actually racing...through this season.

But I have never really wanted a female team to win if their was a feeling like casting was trying to help enable it, by either casting softer competition, or by casting more.  Just like season four seemed to just hand over the race to one of the many male teams cast.

As for casting soft the productions type of male casting has changed dramatically over the years, even going so far in all stars as not considering them for spots (I still get upset about that).  Seasons 11, 12, 13, and 14 featured no fit athletic young male teams.  Though with season 15 you had Sam and Dan and while Flight Time is over 30 they certainly were physically strong so lets count them as well and 16 had Jet & Cord (again I think one was in their 30's or 30) but they were physically fit so I would count them.  And of course 17 back to no fit young athletic male teams.

Of course with the race a good chuck is luck and teams that on paper should do well can do terrible. 

I would rather have just seen a female team win against strong male teams, as well as fit young couple teams.  Thats probably my only real complaint.

Your statement could be reversed to say that a FF team has never had a chance before because of all the athletic MM teams. They decided not to cast any of those this year, maybe they are trying to give the FF teams a chance.
Why could my point be that.  I think a fit athletic female team should be capable of doing well against a fit athletic young couple and a fit athletic male team.  The biggest reason women have underperformed in the race isn't lack of strength.  Which is the one place you could rationally argue that Alpha male teams might be superior to Athletic women (in fact it depends on the individuals I hate blanket statements), but that hasn't traditionally been what has done in teams.  Driving (More female teams have not known how to drive stick then men teams, why?), self navigation (reading maps, compasses), and more task choices.  And historically the physically strongest teams aren't the teams that win?  So I don't think I would ever make that call.  There are a few exceptions (season 1, season 2 are the only two where the physical strongest team was the team to win). 

And I reiterate (I think I should have put this statement first not second), I like all three final three teams (about even actually) both in personality and in performance skills.  I have to problem with any of them winning.

I don't just want Nat & Kat or Brook & Claire to win due to the fact that they are women.  And you see comments that state I want this team to win because I want to see a female team win, anything else would ruin a season for me (and I find comments like that just utterly outlandish).  I have never used genetic factors as a primary reason for why I root for teams.  First and foremost I root for teams that race (and why I was so disappointed by last season across the board), 2nd how they interact with each other and their environment (You be mean to locals and more then once then I am going to have a hard time liking you no matter how well you race), and how well you play with other teams.  Wil and Tara strong racers, but treated each other poorly, treated locals poorly and treated other teams poorly, so no matter that they race well I would never root for them (an example).
Then by all means, feel the way you want, but let the rest of us feel the way we want.  That okay with you?  Huh?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: mswood on November 12, 2010, 10:53:55 PM
Of course.  I never said people couldn't.  I just said I don't understand it. 

Sam as I don't understand fans who like confrontational racers, and yet there are fans who think thats the most entertaining racers.

Or I know people who aren't that happy with this season due to a lack of in your face confrontation, yet thats one of the reasons this is my favorite season in a long, long time.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Ruth on November 12, 2010, 11:53:57 PM
Yep, I agree on the part that the team with the best racing skills should win, not because they're female. But for this season, we can't deny that Nat and Kat and Brook and Claire are competent teams that deserve the win.

The one thing Nat and Kat have that many racers don't is their ability to stay calm during stress levels. Look at their performance in Ghana. Despite nearly being eliminated, they did not let that get to their heads and start freaking out and yelling at each other. Instead, they did what they had to, stayed positive, and finished the leg. We all know that panic does no good for the racers, neither does rushing through. Nat and Kat are always meticulous and cool, that's why they don't make mistakes. Also, Nat overcoming her fear of heights and Kat eating the meat at the FF despite being a vegetarian for 22 years speaks volume of their determination to win. They're smart to boot. During the previous Detour where almost every team was struggling, they did it systematically, showing that sometimes you might not have special talents (in this case musical), but you can use your brains. Of course, they're encouraging towards one another as well (have we ever seen them get frustrated with each other?).

As for Brook and Claire, from the very first episode where Claire got hit by the watermelon during the Roadblock and was in pain yet she persevered and their team still did so well in the end... I've been truly impressed by this team. They're competitive, fast, and never give up. (Recall Claire doing the bridge Detour in Norway in leg 5). Yes, they did make mistakes in mis-reading the clue which should not be condoned. But the fact that they realised their mistake, rectified it, caught up to the teams and still finish in second place, that was a feat in itself and I give them loads of credit for that.

Of course, I'm not saying that Jill and Thomas aren't deserving. I believe that they're a very strong and competitive team as well. Look at how fast they are, always coming from the back and still finishing well. But in terms of team dynamics, I don't think they have it. Thomas is always the one making decisions. He feels that he's the brains behind the team (from his constant mention about him having gone to a good college). This is a team race, not an individual race. And... They just bicker too much! Had they kept their attitudes in the first leg, I'd have loved them and wouldn't mind them winning as well.

Indeed, the team with great racing skills should win. And I believe that all three teams have them. But on racing skills being equal ground, things like personality and chemistry come into play. Nat and Kat might be boring but they're always nice to each other, and other teams. Brook and Claire might bicker a little sometimes, but they bring so much positive energy to the race. Jill and Thomas, if they're not bickering, they just fade away. So in comparison, I'd still want Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire to take it all.

As for wanting an all-female team to win, that is just a bonus, since we've never had that before. You know, if Connor and Jonathan had made it to the final three, I'd have rooted for them as well.

That's my take! :tup:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 13, 2010, 01:20:52 AM
Personally I would love to find out that Jill & Thomas won.  That they were actually on that flight (or an earlier one though that is highly doubtful with the type of planning done on the last half dozen final legs).

I have no problem with any of the final three teams winning as all have had strong legs, all have had poor legs, and all seem to be actually racing...through this season.

But I have never really wanted a female team to win if their was a feeling like casting was trying to help enable it, by either casting softer competition, or by casting more.  Just like season four seemed to just hand over the race to one of the many male teams cast.

As for casting soft the productions type of male casting has changed dramatically over the years, even going so far in all stars as not considering them for spots (I still get upset about that).  Seasons 11, 12, 13, and 14 featured no fit athletic young male teams.  Though with season 15 you had Sam and Dan and while Flight Time is over 30 they certainly were physically strong so lets count them as well and 16 had Jet & Cord (again I think one was in their 30's or 30) but they were physically fit so I would count them.  And of course 17 back to no fit young athletic male teams.

Of course with the race a good chuck is luck and teams that on paper should do well can do terrible.  

I would rather have just seen a female team win against strong male teams, as well as fit young couple teams.  Thats probably my only real complaint.

Your little complaint could be reversed to say that a FF team has never had a chance before because of all the athletic MM teams.

I'm biased and i don't care. I just want an all-female team to win. And it's not about alpha male teams or what. The last time we had all-female teams in the final 3, (TAR 14 and Allstars except TAR 10).. they all lost against a co-ed team. In fact in all-stars, both Charla and Mirna and BQs lost against Eric and Danielle, who're weaker than them.

And no to Jill and Thomas winning. It will kill my TAR appetite, i'm serious.

Won't entirely kill my TAR appetite, but it will spoil the whole season for me.

Belle Book

I'm about more where you are, Belle Book, than Joab.  Wouldn't make me give up the show, but it'd be a very sour ending to what's turning out to be an otherwise great season so far.

I remembered BJ and Tyler winning and killed my appetite for TAR 10. Then TAR 10 was too awesome and my TAR appetite came back. Nothing can make me lose interest in TAR, unless the show gets cancelled or what. :lol:

Or maybe a BJ and Tyler-like team wins 10 seasons in a row. Which will NOT HAPPEN. :lol: :hearts:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: ovalorange on November 13, 2010, 03:46:47 AM
Who do I think will win?  Nat and Kat

Who do I want to win? I don't care, all the final three teams would deserve it and I would be happy if any of them won.

But I don't only watch this show to see who wins. The winner has basically no effect on whether I think a season was any good. I judge it on the locations, the tasks, the planning of speedbumps, u-turns and fast forwards and the relationship/balance of teams. The winner is only revealed during the last 10-20 mins of the finale. Does that really determine whether you liked a season or not? I feel that while a winner does somewhat affect the vibe and feel of a season, I feel it is only minimal and it does not solely determine whether the season was a flop or a success.

I hope I didn't offend any of you guys, I'm just posting my opinion.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Dånooky on November 13, 2010, 06:52:44 AM
Who do I think will win?  Nat and Kat

Who do I want to win? I don't care, all the final three teams would deserve it and I would be happy if any of them won.

But I don't only watch this show to see who wins. The winner has basically no effect on whether I think a season was any good. I judge it on the locations, the tasks, the planning of speedbumps, u-turns and fast forwards and the relationship/balance of teams. The winner is only revealed during the last 10-20 mins of the finale. Does that really determine whether you liked a season or not? I feel that while a winner does somewhat affect the vibe and feel of a season, I feel it is only minimal and it does not solely determine whether the season was a flop or a success.

I hope I didn't offend any of you guys, I'm just posting my opinion.
well said
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2010, 07:15:55 AM
Who do I think will win?  Nat and Kat

Who do I want to win? I don't care, all the final three teams would deserve it and I would be happy if any of them won.

But I don't only watch this show to see who wins. The winner has basically no effect on whether I think a season was any good. I judge it on the locations, the tasks, the planning of speedbumps, u-turns and fast forwards and the relationship/balance of teams. The winner is only revealed during the last 10-20 mins of the finale. Does that really determine whether you liked a season or not? I feel that while a winner does somewhat affect the vibe and feel of a season, I feel it is only minimal and it does not solely determine whether the season was a flop or a success.

I hope I didn't offend any of you guys, I'm just posting my opinion.

I agree, I am mostly interested in the tasks and the fun of analyzing the race. Letting a disliked winner spoil the entire fun of the season is silly.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: TexasLady on November 13, 2010, 08:29:46 AM
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Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: TrueNorth on November 13, 2010, 09:00:39 AM
Well said Texaslady!

Let's not forget that The Amazing race is first and foremost an entertainment program.  If it were just a race, there would be no grandparents, very few mother/daughter or father son teams, etc. It would be just young, physically fit, educated racers. How long would THAT show be on the air?

I for one tend to like the "Nice" racers. BJ and Tyler, TK and Rachel, Meghan and Cheyne types. I don't like the arrogant males, like Lance or Joe, but they are great for me to root against and that makes it more fun every week.

I'm rooting for Brooke/Claire or Nat/Kat this year. I love the shop girls personalities in particular. They are great television!!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2010, 09:22:48 AM
That's a good perspective on the Race, Truenorth. I too am usually turned off by the more annoying types. No team is perfect though.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 13, 2010, 10:39:34 AM
Of course.  I never said people couldn't.  I just said I don't understand it. 

Sam as I don't understand fans who like confrontational racers, and yet there are fans who think thats the most entertaining racers.

Or I know people who aren't that happy with this season due to a lack of in your face confrontation, yet thats one of the reasons this is my favorite season in a long, long time.

Well, partly because I want to see an all-female team to win, I usually start out rooting for them -- unless another team has something that makes me want to root for them more.  But if the all-female teams aren't likeable or strong enough for whatever reason I usually switch to another team.

However, I'm not one of those fans who like confrontational racers.  Sure. they're dramatic but I prefer nice if boring teams over the confrontational ones.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 13, 2010, 12:52:02 PM
Reminder: On RFF opinions are welcome and everyone is entitled to have one, it's why RFF exists. Discuss, disagree, evaluate, speculate, but no attacks on others because they don't agree with you.


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 :lol3: Some of them lurks around... so be careful. :hides
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: TexasLady on November 13, 2010, 02:46:37 PM
 :lol: @ Joab
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2010, 08:49:19 AM
Instead of reiterating the same things over and over again, how about we go back to a previous question I asked that no one tried to answer:
Why are Jill and Thomas so good at racing while they are so annoying as people?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 15, 2010, 10:03:34 AM
Instead of reiterating the same things over and over again, how about we go back to a previous question I asked that no one tried to answer:
Why are Jill and Thomas so good at racing while they are so annoying as people?

Well, Thomas is pretty strong and they seem to be pretty fast.  They also quickly switch Detour tasks if there's a problem with the one they chose rather than trying over and over and over.  Also, they have quite a bit of drive.  That helps -- and will help them make the finals.  But hopefully, it won't help them win.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2010, 10:17:32 AM
Instead of reiterating the same things over and over again, how about we go back to a previous question I asked that no one tried to answer:
Why are Jill and Thomas so good at racing while they are so annoying as people?

Well, Thomas is pretty strong and they seem to be pretty fast.  They also quickly switch Detour tasks if there's a problem with the one they chose rather than trying over and over and over.  Also, they have quite a bit of drive.  That helps -- and will help them make the finals.  But hopefully, it won't help them win.

Belle Book


That's everyone's persepctive on them: they hope they don't win. However, I know they will not win. Why? Because they are not mental enough. Actually, no team remaining has truly proved themselvs mentally. The most mental tasks (accordion playing in Russia, word search in Ghana) were both Detour tasks and not many teams completed those. The two FF teams appear to be more mental than J\T, that's why they will not win.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 15, 2010, 11:05:14 AM
Instead of reiterating the same things over and over again, how about we go back to a previous question I asked that no one tried to answer:
Why are Jill and Thomas so good at racing while they are so annoying as people?

Well, Thomas is pretty strong and they seem to be pretty fast.  They also quickly switch Detour tasks if there's a problem with the one they chose rather than trying over and over and over.  Also, they have quite a bit of drive.  That helps -- and will help them make the finals.  But hopefully, it won't help them win.

Belle Book


That's everyone's persepctive on them: they hope they don't win. However, I know they will not win. Why? Because they are not mental enough. Actually, no team remaining has truly proved themselvs mentally. The most mental tasks (accordion playing in Russia, word search in Ghana) were both Detour tasks and not many teams completed those. The two FF teams appear to be more mental than J\T, that's why they will not win.

Freddy and Kendra did. So did Flo and Zach, Eric and Danielle, Tammy and Victor (remember Leg 3 TAR 14?) and Dan and Jordan, winners whom all showed before how they are not that mentally strong after all. Maybe minus Tammy and Victor, as it was smooth sailing for them since Leg 3 after that. But the other winning teams? Definitely.

I have to agree with anyone who say everyone who made it to the final 3 deserves to win, but the final leg usually requires both luck and skills, and you probably gotta bring a voodoo doll along and pray that while you falter at your final leg tasks, the other teams go down with you. (Meghan and Cheyne at one point was last to arrive at Casino due to bad cabbie, then finished the Counting task FIRST cause the other two teams sucked at it). :lol:

There, any team can win. :lol:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2010, 12:39:06 PM
Instead of reiterating the same things over and over again, how about we go back to a previous question I asked that no one tried to answer:
Why are Jill and Thomas so good at racing while they are so annoying as people?

Well, Thomas is pretty strong and they seem to be pretty fast.  They also quickly switch Detour tasks if there's a problem with the one they chose rather than trying over and over and over.  Also, they have quite a bit of drive.  That helps -- and will help them make the finals.  But hopefully, it won't help them win.

Belle Book


That's everyone's persepctive on them: they hope they don't win. However, I know they will not win. Why? Because they are not mental enough. Actually, no team remaining has truly proved themselvs mentally. The most mental tasks (accordion playing in Russia, word search in Ghana) were both Detour tasks and not many teams completed those. The two FF teams appear to be more mental than J\T, that's why they will not win.

Freddy and Kendra did. So did Flo and Zach, Eric and Danielle, Tammy and Victor (remember Leg 3 TAR 14?) and Dan and Jordan, winners whom all showed before how they are not that mentally strong after all. Maybe minus Tammy and Victor, as it was smooth sailing for them since Leg 3 after that. But the other winning teams? Definitely.

I have to agree with anyone who say everyone who made it to the final 3 deserves to win, but the final leg usually requires both luck and skills, and you probably gotta bring a voodoo doll along and pray that while you falter at your final leg tasks, the other teams go down with you. (Meghan and Cheyne at one point was last to arrive at Casino due to bad cabbie, then finished the Counting task FIRST cause the other two teams sucked at it). :lol:

There, any team can win. :lol:

What is your proof that these mentioned teams were not mentally strong? (Besides Eric and Danielle, everybody agrees with that)
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 15, 2010, 07:24:34 PM
Instead of reiterating the same things over and over again, how about we go back to a previous question I asked that no one tried to answer:
Why are Jill and Thomas so good at racing while they are so annoying as people?

Well, Thomas is pretty strong and they seem to be pretty fast.  They also quickly switch Detour tasks if there's a problem with the one they chose rather than trying over and over and over.  Also, they have quite a bit of drive.  That helps -- and will help them make the finals.  But hopefully, it won't help them win.

Belle Book


That's everyone's persepctive on them: they hope they don't win. However, I know they will not win. Why? Because they are not mental enough. Actually, no team remaining has truly proved themselvs mentally. The most mental tasks (accordion playing in Russia, word search in Ghana) were both Detour tasks and not many teams completed those. The two FF teams appear to be more mental than J\T, that's why they will not win.

Freddy and Kendra did. So did Flo and Zach, Eric and Danielle, Tammy and Victor (remember Leg 3 TAR 14?) and Dan and Jordan, winners whom all showed before how they are not that mentally strong after all. Maybe minus Tammy and Victor, as it was smooth sailing for them since Leg 3 after that. But the other winning teams? Definitely.

I have to agree with anyone who say everyone who made it to the final 3 deserves to win, but the final leg usually requires both luck and skills, and you probably gotta bring a voodoo doll along and pray that while you falter at your final leg tasks, the other teams go down with you. (Meghan and Cheyne at one point was last to arrive at Casino due to bad cabbie, then finished the Counting task FIRST cause the other two teams sucked at it). :lol:

There, any team can win. :lol:

What is your proof that these mentioned teams were not mentally strong? (Besides Eric and Danielle, everybody agrees with that)

I don't remember how mentally strong Freddie & Kendra were, but although Flo certainly wasn't mentally strong, Zach was.  And Dan & Jordan was mentally strong enough to charm their way into Business Class.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 16, 2010, 08:03:21 AM

Freddy and Kendra did. So did Flo and Zach, Eric and Danielle, Tammy and Victor (remember Leg 3 TAR 14?) and Dan and Jordan, winners whom all showed before how they are not that mentally strong after all. Maybe minus Tammy and Victor, as it was smooth sailing for them since Leg 3 after that. But the other winning teams? Definitely.

I have to agree with anyone who say everyone who made it to the final 3 deserves to win, but the final leg usually requires both luck and skills, and you probably gotta bring a voodoo doll along and pray that while you falter at your final leg tasks, the other teams go down with you. (Meghan and Cheyne at one point was last to arrive at Casino due to bad cabbie, then finished the Counting task FIRST cause the other two teams sucked at it). :lol:

There, any team can win. :lol:

What is your proof that these mentioned teams were not mentally strong? (Besides Eric and Danielle, everybody agrees with that)

I don't remember how mentally strong Freddie & Kendra were, but although Flo certainly wasn't mentally strong, Zach was.  And Dan & Jordan was mentally strong enough to charm their way into Business Class.

Belle Book


That's what I was thinking, these teams won for a reason.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 16, 2010, 10:04:45 AM

Freddy and Kendra did. So did Flo and Zach, Eric and Danielle, Tammy and Victor (remember Leg 3 TAR 14?) and Dan and Jordan, winners whom all showed before how they are not that mentally strong after all. Maybe minus Tammy and Victor, as it was smooth sailing for them since Leg 3 after that. But the other winning teams? Definitely.

I have to agree with anyone who say everyone who made it to the final 3 deserves to win, but the final leg usually requires both luck and skills, and you probably gotta bring a voodoo doll along and pray that while you falter at your final leg tasks, the other teams go down with you. (Meghan and Cheyne at one point was last to arrive at Casino due to bad cabbie, then finished the Counting task FIRST cause the other two teams sucked at it). :lol:

There, any team can win. :lol:

What is your proof that these mentioned teams were not mentally strong? (Besides Eric and Danielle, everybody agrees with that)

I don't remember how mentally strong Freddie & Kendra were, but although Flo certainly wasn't mentally strong, Zach was.  And Dan & Jordan was mentally strong enough to charm their way into Business Class.

Belle Book


That's what I was thinking, these teams won for a reason.

I forgot one thing -- Eric & Danielle were mentally strong enough in the final task.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Levi Rinno on November 16, 2010, 11:52:06 AM

Freddy and Kendra did. So did Flo and Zach, Eric and Danielle, Tammy and Victor (remember Leg 3 TAR 14?) and Dan and Jordan, winners whom all showed before how they are not that mentally strong after all. Maybe minus Tammy and Victor, as it was smooth sailing for them since Leg 3 after that. But the other winning teams? Definitely.

I have to agree with anyone who say everyone who made it to the final 3 deserves to win, but the final leg usually requires both luck and skills, and you probably gotta bring a voodoo doll along and pray that while you falter at your final leg tasks, the other teams go down with you. (Meghan and Cheyne at one point was last to arrive at Casino due to bad cabbie, then finished the Counting task FIRST cause the other two teams sucked at it). :lol:

There, any team can win. :lol:

What is your proof that these mentioned teams were not mentally strong? (Besides Eric and Danielle, everybody agrees with that)

I don't remember how mentally strong Freddie & Kendra were, but although Flo certainly wasn't mentally strong, Zach was.  And Dan & Jordan was mentally strong enough to charm their way into Business Class.

Belle Book


That's what I was thinking, these teams won for a reason.

I forgot one thing -- Eric & Danielle were mentally strong enough in the final task.

Belle Book

That wasn't mental, though.  That was basically a crapshoot task (and faulty equipment for Dustin & Kandice) that caused it.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 16, 2010, 12:14:18 PM
That wasn't mental, though.  That was basically a crapshoot task (and faulty equipment for Dustin & Kandice) that caused it.

Faulty equipment?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Levi Rinno on November 16, 2010, 05:12:46 PM
That wasn't mental, though.  That was basically a crapshoot task (and faulty equipment for Dustin & Kandice) that caused it.

Faulty equipment?
Yeah.  The code Kandice had put in was actually what Dustin had tried initially, but the equipment wouldn't let her enter it.  If it had, Kandice would've gotten it quickly, and they probably might've won.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 16, 2010, 07:14:41 PM
That wasn't mental, though.  That was basically a crapshoot task (and faulty equipment for Dustin & Kandice) that caused it.

Faulty equipment?
Yeah.  The code Kandice had put in was actually what Dustin had tried initially, but the equipment wouldn't let her enter it.  If it had, Kandice would've gotten it quickly, and they probably might've won.

How can you prove this?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2010, 07:23:44 PM
It was widely discussed in post race interviews at the time...pretty conclusively.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 16, 2010, 07:36:14 PM
Instead of reiterating the same things over and over again, how about we go back to a previous question I asked that no one tried to answer:
Why are Jill and Thomas so good at racing while they are so annoying as people?

Well, Thomas is pretty strong and they seem to be pretty fast.  They also quickly switch Detour tasks if there's a problem with the one they chose rather than trying over and over and over.  Also, they have quite a bit of drive.  That helps -- and will help them make the finals.  But hopefully, it won't help them win.

Belle Book


That's everyone's persepctive on them: they hope they don't win. However, I know they will not win. Why? Because they are not mental enough. Actually, no team remaining has truly proved themselvs mentally. The most mental tasks (accordion playing in Russia, word search in Ghana) were both Detour tasks and not many teams completed those. The two FF teams appear to be more mental than J\T, that's why they will not win.

Freddy and Kendra did. So did Flo and Zach, Eric and Danielle, Tammy and Victor (remember Leg 3 TAR 14?) and Dan and Jordan, winners whom all showed before how they are not that mentally strong after all. Maybe minus Tammy and Victor, as it was smooth sailing for them since Leg 3 after that. But the other winning teams? Definitely.

I have to agree with anyone who say everyone who made it to the final 3 deserves to win, but the final leg usually requires both luck and skills, and you probably gotta bring a voodoo doll along and pray that while you falter at your final leg tasks, the other teams go down with you. (Meghan and Cheyne at one point was last to arrive at Casino due to bad cabbie, then finished the Counting task FIRST cause the other two teams sucked at it). :lol:

There, any team can win. :lol:

What is your proof that these mentioned teams were not mentally strong? (Besides Eric and Danielle, everybody agrees with that)

Just like how you have your opinion, i have my own opinion as well. I think that Jill and Thomas are mentally strong enough, although they falter at times, they have shown that against other competition, they can really outshine and rise to the occasion.

They are just alike any other teams, the teams i mentioned had their bad and good moments. Remember how Dan and Jordan freaked out in China? Remember how Flo freaked out on the leg they were given a NEL? Remember the many Danielle meltdowns? Remember how Freddy freaked out?

All i'm saying here is, it just take ONE GOOD FINAL LEG to win TAR. Sure, it takes 10-12 legs to reach the finale, but once you're in the final 3.. anyone can win. All you need is luck and for everything to go together.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 16, 2010, 07:43:45 PM
Quote
Just like how you have your opinion, i have my own opinion as well. I think that Jill and Thomas are mentally strong enough, although they falter at times, they have shown that against other competition, they can really outshine and rise to the occasion.

They are just alike any other teams, the teams i mentioned had their bad and good moments. Remember how Dan and Jordan freaked out in China? Remember how Flo freaked out on the leg they were given a NEL? Remember the many Danielle meltdowns? Remember how Freddy freaked out?

All i'm saying here is, it just take ONE GOOD FINAL LEG to win TAR. Sure, it takes 10-12 legs to reach the finale, but once you're in the final 3.. anyone can win. All you need is luck and for everything to go together.

I agree with a lot of that, all you have to do in the first legs is stay alive and you have a chance to win. I also agree that every team makes plenty of mistakes (except Meghan and Cheyne  :lol:)

Dan and Jordan are a great example that you only have to have a good final to win. They had only won one leg and that was because of a FF.

Most seem to discount J/T because they do not like them, but they have a chance to win. They have two "real wins" already and another had they not paid a taxi. No one else has two real wins. (N/K fast forwarded)
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 16, 2010, 07:46:14 PM
It was widely discussed in post race interviews at the time...pretty conclusively.

That sounds like a fishy win for E/D to me.  :crazy: That is why they haven't tried a task like that again for the final.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: DrRox on November 16, 2010, 08:12:08 PM

I agree with a lot of that, all you have to do in the first legs is stay alive and you have a chance to win. I also agree that every team makes plenty of mistakes (except Meghan and Cheyne  :lol:)

Dan and Jordan are a great example that you only have to have a good final to win. They had only won one leg and that was because of a FF.

Most seem to discount J/T because they do not like them, but they have a chance to win. They have two "real wins" already and another had they not paid a taxi. No one else has two real wins. (N/K fast forwarded)

Megan and Cheyne made mistakes, even on the final leg. They went to the wrong casino and finally arrived at the chip counting task in 3rd. They had a better system for counting. Finished it in 1st and won.

Nat and Kat have 3 leg wins. One of which was the FF, Leg 4, Leg 5 (FF) and Leg 7.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 16, 2010, 08:14:56 PM
That's everyone's persepctive on them: they hope they don't win. However, I know they will not win. Why? Because they are not mental enough. Actually, no team remaining has truly proved themselvs mentally. The most mental tasks (accordion playing in Russia, word search in Ghana) were both Detour tasks and not many teams completed those. The two FF teams appear to be more mental than J\T, that's why they will not win.

I agree with a lot of that, all you have to do in the first legs is stay alive and you have a chance to win. I also agree that every team makes plenty of mistakes (except Meghan and Cheyne  :lol:)

Dan and Jordan are a great example that you only have to have a good final to win. They had only won one leg and that was because of a FF.

Most seem to discount J/T because they do not like them, but they have a chance to win. They have two "real wins" already and another had they not paid a taxi. No one else has two real wins. (N/K fast forwarded)

 :duno:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 16, 2010, 08:15:54 PM

I agree with a lot of that, all you have to do in the first legs is stay alive and you have a chance to win. I also agree that every team makes plenty of mistakes (except Meghan and Cheyne  :lol:)

Dan and Jordan are a great example that you only have to have a good final to win. They had only won one leg and that was because of a FF.

Most seem to discount J/T because they do not like them, but they have a chance to win. They have two "real wins" already and another had they not paid a taxi. No one else has two real wins. (N/K fast forwarded)

Megan and Cheyne made mistakes, even on the final leg. They went to the wrong casino and finally arrived at the chip counting task in 3rd. They had a better system for counting. Finished it in 1st and won.

Nat and Kat have 3 leg wins. One of which was the FF, Leg 4, Leg 5 (FF) and Leg 7.

Thanks for helping me type all that out! :tup: That was what i was going to say too. :lol:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 16, 2010, 08:17:02 PM

I agree with a lot of that, all you have to do in the first legs is stay alive and you have a chance to win. I also agree that every team makes plenty of mistakes (except Meghan and Cheyne  :lol:)

Dan and Jordan are a great example that you only have to have a good final to win. They had only won one leg and that was because of a FF.

Most seem to discount J/T because they do not like them, but they have a chance to win. They have two "real wins" already and another had they not paid a taxi. No one else has two real wins. (N/K fast forwarded)

Megan and Cheyne made mistakes, even on the final leg. They went to the wrong casino and finally arrived at the chip counting task in 3rd. They had a better system for counting. Finished it in 1st and won.

Nat and Kat have 3 leg wins. One of which was the FF, Leg 4, Leg 5 (FF) and Leg 7.

Yeah -- Jill & Thomas and Nat & Kat each have two "real wins".  Brook & Claire have only 1.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 16, 2010, 08:18:17 PM
But don't forget, Brooke and Claire has the best average now. We never had that kind of performance from an all-female team for a long long time already! :tup:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: DrRox on November 16, 2010, 08:29:31 PM
You just know that Nat and Kat are taking very detailed notes too.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 16, 2010, 08:33:43 PM
But don't forget, Brooke and Claire has the best average now. We never had that kind of performance from an all-female team for a long long time already! :tup:

Very true!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Nettez on November 16, 2010, 08:38:07 PM
I sure HOPE N/K win, but I think it's really anyone's game. It takes more skill than luck to get into the final 3 (most of the time...) but most teams end up on a level playing field at the start of the final leg which makes it really hard to predict who wins. That being said, I think N/K have been doing pretty well so far, although their positions appear to be either right at the top or right at the bottom (except for the 4th placing in Russia). On the other hand, Brook and Claire have been doing consistently well, so I'm really hoping that one of them wins it all!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: DrRox on November 16, 2010, 09:07:46 PM
But don't forget, Brooke and Claire has the best average now. We never had that kind of performance from an all-female team for a long long time already! :tup:

Well, that is true, but we know that average is going to take a hit in the Bangladesh episode. At least comapred to J/T and N/K.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 17, 2010, 08:00:01 AM
But don't forget, Brooke and Claire has the best average now. We never had that kind of performance from an all-female team for a long long time already! :tup:

Well, that is true, but we know that average is going to take a hit in the Bangladesh episode. At least comapred to J/T and N/K.

Poor Brooke and Claire.

But you never know. The Lyns were Yielded and still come in second. :tup:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 17, 2010, 08:10:51 AM
But don't forget, Brooke and Claire has the best average now. We never had that kind of performance from an all-female team for a long long time already! :tup:

Well, that is true, but we know that average is going to take a hit in the Bangladesh episode. At least comapred to J/T and N/K.

But do averages really matter? In last season's final Jet and Cord averaged 2.5, Dan and Jordan averaged 3.5 and Brent and Caite averaged 4.3. Through week six (halfway) D/J were averaging 6.1.

But some winners have good averages, Tammy and Victor only finished outside the top 3 once and Meghan and Cheyne only finished outside the top two twice. It is not a qualifying statistic.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Coutzy on November 17, 2010, 08:17:01 AM
But don't forget, Brooke and Claire has the best average now. We never had that kind of performance from an all-female team for a long long time already! :tup:

Well, that is true, but we know that average is going to take a hit in the Bangladesh episode. At least comapred to J/T and N/K.

But do averages really matter? In last season's final Jet and Cord averaged 2.5, Dan and Jordan averaged 3.5 and Brent and Caite averaged 4.3. Through week six (halfway) D/J were averaging 6.1.

But some winners have good averages, Tammy and Victor only finished outside the top 3 once and Meghan and Cheyne only finished outside the top two twice. It is not a qualifying statistic.

Ask Eric and Jeremy about averages and what they mean. I'm sure they'll have lots to say about it.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 17, 2010, 08:17:39 AM
Poor Brooke and Claire.

But you never know. The Lyns were Yielded and still come in second. :tup:

The Yield cannot be compared to the U-turn. The U-turn is 100% lethal while the Yield rarely eliminated the yielded team.

It was usually worse for the Yielder. Remember when Bj and Tyler yielded Mojo and finished last. Or in the leg you mentioned D/K finished in last after yielding "the lyns". Or when Oswald and Danny yielded Eric and Danielle and finished in last. Or when Adam & Rebecca yielded Freddy and Kendra and finished after them. Maybe Charla and Mirna were right about "yield karma."
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 17, 2010, 08:19:18 AM
But don't forget, Brooke and Claire has the best average now. We never had that kind of performance from an all-female team for a long long time already! :tup:

Well, that is true, but we know that average is going to take a hit in the Bangladesh episode. At least comapred to J/T and N/K.

But do averages really matter? In last season's final Jet and Cord averaged 2.5, Dan and Jordan averaged 3.5 and Brent and Caite averaged 4.3. Through week six (halfway) D/J were averaging 6.1.

But some winners have good averages, Tammy and Victor only finished outside the top 3 once and Meghan and Cheyne only finished outside the top two twice. It is not a qualifying statistic.

Ask Eric and Jeremy about averages and what they mean. I'm sure they'll have lots to say about it.

Oh yeah, I should have included them! They only finished out of the top two once BJ and Tyler were NEL twice!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Coutzy on November 17, 2010, 08:37:05 AM
Poor Brooke and Claire.

But you never know. The Lyns were Yielded and still come in second. :tup:

The Yield cannot be compared to the U-turn. The U-turn is 100% lethal while the Yield rarely eliminated the yielded team.

It was usually worse for the Yielder. Remember when Bj and Tyler yielded Mojo and finished last. Or in the leg you mentioned D/K finished in last after yielding "the lyns". Or when Oswald and Danny yielded Eric and Danielle and finished in last. Or when Adam & Rebecca yielded Freddy and Kendra and finished after them. Maybe Charla and Mirna were right about "yield karma."

The so-called "Lethality" of the U-Turn is an exaggeration, let us examine.

S12- 2 U-Turns. Lorena and Jason (Who started a significant way behind) get U-Turned by a paranoid Shana and Jennifer. Lorena and Jason had not seen another team all day, so they were staring down the barrel of elimination anyway. The 2nd U-Turn (Kynt & Vyxsin -> Nick & Don) was wasted.

S13- No U-Turns used.

S14- 2 U-Turns played. Margie and Luke hit Amanda and Kris with a Blind U-Turn, and Amanda and Kris are unable to complete the 2nd Detour quickly enough to remain competitive in the leg. In the other Kisha and Jen complete their U-Turn in 3rd (of 4) and remain ahead of Jamie and Cara until a bad taxi and a million dollar pee break cause their demise. While the U-Turn certainly assisted in the comeback of the redheads, it cannot be held entirely responsible for it.

S15- Lance and Keri play a Blind U-Turn on Sam and Dan, who were ahead of them at the time. The U-Turn goes unaired.

S16- Joe and Heidi get U-Turned by Mike and Louie. Joe spends some time being bitter about it, then they go try the now-infamous morse code task, which they cannot complete. I believe had they been able to, they may have been spared. (I also believe that it is excellent strategy to force a team to complete a task that by all accounts was nearly impossible.)
Carol and Brandy get U-Turned by Brent and Caite. They spend even more time being bitter about it than Bitters McBitterson when he heard that Fosters group had come up with Victoria Bitter. They also finish last, well behind.

Season 17 has a double U-Turn. What exactly comes of it remains to be seen.

The current numbers have the U-Turn actually forcing a team into last place at (currently) 60% (3/5), while the Yield sits at  30% (4/12). Due to the significantly smaller sample size for the U-Turn to draw from, such fluctuations are to be expected. I think the U-Turn is no more deadly than the Yield.

Also noteworthy- A team that was on the receiving end of the Yield has only been eliminated ONCE (Danielle and Dani) For some reason, CBS loved pairing them up with NEL's
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 17, 2010, 08:49:01 AM
I can only think of Joe and Heidi, Amanda and Kris, Carol and Brandy and Kisha and Jen who has been greatly affected by the U-TURN. Of which, only Joe and Heidi's elimination can be credited mostly due to the U-TURN. Other than that, the other three teams were almost in the back of the pack and the fact that they didn't reach the U-TURN fast enough.. and try to catch up some time while doing their U-TURN resulted in their elimination. Of course without the U-TURN, they might have stayed on.. but you really never know. Especially with Kisha and Jen, even after the U-TURN they were in front of Cara and Jaime.. so what ultimately resulted in their elimination was bad cab + pee break.

Given Brooke and Claire's ability, i think they will nail the U-TURN next week.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 17, 2010, 09:10:20 AM
The so-called "Lethality" of the U-Turn is an exaggeration, let us examine.

S12- 2 U-Turns. Lorena and Jason (Who started a significant way behind) get U-Turned by a paranoid Shana and Jennifer. Lorena and Jason had not seen another team all day, so they were staring down the barrel of elimination anyway. The 2nd U-Turn (Kynt & Vyxsin -> Nick & Don) was wasted.

S13- No U-Turns used.

S14- 2 U-Turns played. Margie and Luke hit Amanda and Kris with a Blind U-Turn, and Amanda and Kris are unable to complete the 2nd Detour quickly enough to remain competitive in the leg. In the other Kisha and Jen complete their U-Turn in 3rd (of 4) and remain ahead of Jamie and Cara until a bad taxi and a million dollar pee break cause their demise. While the U-Turn certainly assisted in the comeback of the redheads, it cannot be held entirely responsible for it.

S15- Lance and Keri play a Blind U-Turn on Sam and Dan, who were ahead of them at the time. The U-Turn goes unaired.

S16- Joe and Heidi get U-Turned by Mike and Louie. Joe spends some time being bitter about it, then they go try the now-infamous morse code task, which they cannot complete. I believe had they been able to, they may have been spared. (I also believe that it is excellent strategy to force a team to complete a task that by all accounts was nearly impossible.)
Carol and Brandy get U-Turned by Brent and Caite. They spend even more time being bitter about it than Bitters McBitterson when he heard that Fosters group had come up with Victoria Bitter. They also finish last, well behind.

Season 17 has a double U-Turn. What exactly comes of it remains to be seen.

The current numbers have the U-Turn actually forcing a team into last place at (currently) 60% (3/5), while the Yield sits at  30% (4/12). Due to the significantly smaller sample size for the U-Turn to draw from, such fluctuations are to be expected. I think the U-Turn is no more deadly than the Yield.

Also noteworthy- A team that was on the receiving end of the Yield has only been eliminated ONCE (Danielle and Dani) For some reason, CBS loved pairing them up with NEL's

My point was that no team has ever survived in a leg in which they were U-turned. Therefore, no matter the exact circumstances, the simple fact is that U-turn=elimination. This fact is what has prompted the double U-turn, because they want it to be a race between two unfortunates.

Besides the fact that Yields were usually with NEL's the yielded team rarely finished in last and as I showed, many times the yielder was NEL. Strange...
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Coutzy on November 17, 2010, 09:20:14 AM
The so-called "Lethality" of the U-Turn is an exaggeration, let us examine.

S12- 2 U-Turns. Lorena and Jason (Who started a significant way behind) get U-Turned by a paranoid Shana and Jennifer. Lorena and Jason had not seen another team all day, so they were staring down the barrel of elimination anyway. The 2nd U-Turn (Kynt & Vyxsin -> Nick & Don) was wasted.

S13- No U-Turns used.

S14- 2 U-Turns played. Margie and Luke hit Amanda and Kris with a Blind U-Turn, and Amanda and Kris are unable to complete the 2nd Detour quickly enough to remain competitive in the leg. In the other Kisha and Jen complete their U-Turn in 3rd (of 4) and remain ahead of Jamie and Cara until a bad taxi and a million dollar pee break cause their demise. While the U-Turn certainly assisted in the comeback of the redheads, it cannot be held entirely responsible for it.

S15- Lance and Keri play a Blind U-Turn on Sam and Dan, who were ahead of them at the time. The U-Turn goes unaired.

S16- Joe and Heidi get U-Turned by Mike and Louie. Joe spends some time being bitter about it, then they go try the now-infamous morse code task, which they cannot complete. I believe had they been able to, they may have been spared. (I also believe that it is excellent strategy to force a team to complete a task that by all accounts was nearly impossible.)
Carol and Brandy get U-Turned by Brent and Caite. They spend even more time being bitter about it than Bitters McBitterson when he heard that Fosters group had come up with Victoria Bitter. They also finish last, well behind.

Season 17 has a double U-Turn. What exactly comes of it remains to be seen.

The current numbers have the U-Turn actually forcing a team into last place at (currently) 60% (3/5), while the Yield sits at  30% (4/12). Due to the significantly smaller sample size for the U-Turn to draw from, such fluctuations are to be expected. I think the U-Turn is no more deadly than the Yield.

Also noteworthy- A team that was on the receiving end of the Yield has only been eliminated ONCE (Danielle and Dani) For some reason, CBS loved pairing them up with NEL's

My point was that no team has ever survived in a leg in which they were U-turned. Therefore, no matter the exact circumstances, the simple fact is that U-turn=elimination. This fact is what has prompted the double U-turn, because they want it to be a race between two unfortunates.

Besides the fact that Yields were usually with NEL's the yielded team rarely finished in last and as I showed, many times the yielder was NEL. Strange...

Correlation =/= Causation.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 17, 2010, 09:25:16 AM
BTW, how did this topic turn into "Is the U-Turn Effective or Not?". We're supposed to be talking about who will win TAR 17.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 17, 2010, 09:32:25 AM
Actually with a good placement of a U-TURN, it doesn't really spell elimination necessarily. Leg 3 of TAR 17 could have been a good leg to put a U-TURN, but i don't know why there isn't since both Detours are relatively close to each other.

The example of a bad U-TURN placed, would definitely be the one Carol and Brandy had to go through in Singapore. Travelling to the U-TURN location, then going to the other U-TURN location, then travelling back to the U-TURN location again is simply a waste of time.

Speakers Corner -> Istana Park = 10 mins by cab
Istana Park -> Bencoolen Bugis = 10 mins by cab
TIME SPENT TO DO DETOUR = 20 - 30 minutes
Bencoolen (Detour 2) back to Istana Park = 10 mins by cab

Not to forget about the time they took to get cabs (not sure if i remember they kept the same cab throughout the entire leg), that U-TURN easily caused Carol and Brandy another 45 mins to 1 hour, which in terms of race seriously means ELIMINATION. So i get what you're trying to mean by U-TURN = Elimination.. but what Coutzy's trying to mean is that you can't just say that once a team has been U-TURN, the team will be automatically eliminated.

If Joe and Heidi got the other Detour, they will still continue to survive. If Kisha and Jen didn't go for a pee break, they would have survived too. But this would be external factors that producers could not have possibly factor in when it comes to a good planning for a U-TURN. They can't make it too simple and easy for both Detour tasks either if not the viewers will think it's lame as well.

The U-TURN, although some of us do not like it.. is undeniably a good element of the show. With proper placement and good tasks, a team might not necessarily be eliminated after being U-TURN.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 17, 2010, 09:34:05 AM
BTW, how did this topic turn into "Is the U-Turn Effective or Not?". We're supposed to be talking about who will win TAR 17.

Let me link it back then.

Any team who has been U-TURN might be eliminated. And once a team has been eliminated, the team will NOT win TAR 17.

And if Brooke and Claire managed to survive the U-TURN next week and still do really well, let's say even winning the leg or come in second, then you can say that they have a good chance of winning TAR 17 because they're a strong team.

:)
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 17, 2010, 09:37:35 AM
BTW, how did this topic turn into "Is the U-Turn Effective or Not?". We're supposed to be talking about who will win TAR 17.

Let me link it back then.

Any team who has been U-TURN might be eliminated. And once a team has been eliminated, the team will NOT win TAR 17.

And if Brooke and Claire managed to survive the U-TURN next week and still do really well, let's say even winning the leg or come in second, then you can say that they have a good chance of winning TAR 17 because they're a strong team.

:)

That makes a lot of sense! This is the point I tried to convey when I first created this topic! :jumpy:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 18, 2010, 07:10:47 PM
I suppose we are all waiting for the next episode... :talk
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 08:05:42 AM
Now what do u think about B\C's winning abilities?
1. J\T will not win b\c they r not smart enough. They had to use the Express Pass to stay n the race n Sweden b\c they were so lost. They switched Detour tasks multiple times n Russia2. They have mainly stayed n the Race b\c of luck and physical ability.
2. N\K will not win b\c they are simply 2 slow @ tasks. Kat slowed their team down in Ghana @ the sunglasses task. They were not eliminated b\c of luck. Nat slowed their team down n Bangledesh. They were not eliminated b\c they had U-Turned C\S.
3. N\V will not win b\c they r not smart enough and fight all the time.
Brooke and Claire r the strongest team on TAR 17!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Nettez on November 22, 2010, 08:19:06 AM
Hmm, I agree with your points but I don't really think those flaws are necessarily going to bring the teams down. For example, J/T may have relied on physical strength and the express pass to get them through the legs, but they won the express pass because they beat all the other teams. Also, they made up for their flaws tonight with perseverance...

I don't think N/V will win. Can't really pinpoint a reason for that. But CBS hasn't been giving them much spotlight at all, and if media spotlight is any way to judge a team's chances...

On to the women:
I think N/K are physically stronger than B/C. And they keep their cool really well too. Only thing that could possibly bring them down is that they don't appear to be aggressive enough? I mean, they made a crucial move tonight, but I think it was done out of desperation rather than true aggression. In terms of desire to win, I think B/C have an advantage. Remember Dan and Jordan from the previous season?

I used to think B/C were strong contenders and I still do. They've been able to overcome all sorts of obstacles and I really hope they make it all the way! I would be very happy if any of the female teams won. :)
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: AmazingRace on November 22, 2010, 08:21:18 AM
Now what do u think about B\C's winning abilities?
1. J\T will not win b\c they r not smart enough. They had to use the Express Pass to stay n the race n Sweden b\c they were so lost. They switched Detour tasks multiple times n Russia2. They have mainly stayed n the Race b\c of luck and physical ability.
2. N\K will not win b\c they are simply 2 slow @ tasks. Kat slowed their team down in Ghana @ the sunglasses task. They were not eliminated b\c of luck. Nat slowed their team down n Bangledesh. They were not eliminated b\c they had U-Turned C\S.
3. N\V will not win b\c they r not smart enough and fight all the time.
Brooke and Claire r the strongest team on TAR 17!

J/T could win TAR 17 because of luck and physical ability.
N/K could win TAR 17 because of luck.
B/C could win TAR 17 because they are "the strongest team on TAR 17".


Actually, it is anybody's game. Either 3 teams can win.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 08:22:45 AM
Now what do u think about B\C's winning abilities?
1. J\T will not win b\c they r not smart enough. They had to use the Express Pass to stay n the race n Sweden b\c they were so lost. They switched Detour tasks multiple times n Russia2. They have mainly stayed n the Race b\c of luck and physical ability.
2. N\K will not win b\c they are simply 2 slow @ tasks. Kat slowed their team down in Ghana @ the sunglasses task. They were not eliminated b\c of luck. Nat slowed their team down n Bangledesh. They were not eliminated b\c they had U-Turned C\S.
3. N\V will not win b\c they r not smart enough and fight all the time.
Brooke and Claire r the strongest team on TAR 17!

J/T could win TAR 17 because of luck and physical ability.
N/K could win TAR 17 because of luck.
B/C could win TAR 17 because they are "the strongest team on TAR 17".


Actually, it is anybody's game. Either 3 teams can win.

Do u not believe that the final task is usually mental, memory or no memory?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: AmazingRace on November 22, 2010, 08:29:12 AM
Do u not believe that the final task is usually mental, memory or no memory?

Usually it is. But it is not always necessarily the strongest team that wins.

TAR 17 reminds me of TAR 11. Jill & Thomas remind me of Eric & Danielle. Even though, IMO, Eric & Danielle fought more than Jill & Thomas, they ended up winning.

Anyone could win. These 3 teams have had 1st places before. It totally depends.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 08:31:55 AM
Do u not believe that the final task is usually mental, memory or no memory?

Usually it is. But it is not always necessarily the strongest team that wins.

TAR 17 reminds me of TAR 11. Jill & Thomas remind me of Eric & Danielle. Even though, IMO, Eric & Danielle fought more than Jill & Thomas, they ended up winning.

Anyone could win. These 3 teams have had 1st places before. It totally depends.

The most mental team of the final 3 always wins when there is a final mental task.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Nettez on November 22, 2010, 08:34:47 AM
Do u not believe that the final task is usually mental, memory or no memory?

Usually it is. But it is not always necessarily the strongest team that wins.

TAR 17 reminds me of TAR 11. Jill & Thomas remind me of Eric & Danielle. Even though, IMO, Eric & Danielle fought more than Jill & Thomas, they ended up winning.

Anyone could win. These 3 teams have had 1st places before. It totally depends.

The most mental team of the final 3 always wins when there is a final mental task.

In that case I think Nat and Kat would win? They've constantly been using their intellectual advantage to go ahead of other teams. But it also depends on the teams' placing then, the most mental team can't win if they're hours behind the first placed team. I guess it really is anyone's game.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 08:37:24 AM
Do u not believe that the final task is usually mental, memory or no memory?

Usually it is. But it is not always necessarily the strongest team that wins.

TAR 17 reminds me of TAR 11. Jill & Thomas remind me of Eric & Danielle. Even though, IMO, Eric & Danielle fought more than Jill & Thomas, they ended up winning.

Anyone could win. These 3 teams have had 1st places before. It totally depends.

The most mental team of the final 3 always wins when there is a final mental task.

In that case I think Nat and Kat would win? They've constantly been using their intellectual advantage to go ahead of other teams. But it also depends on the teams' placing then, the most mental team can't win if they're hours behind the first placed team. I guess it really is anyone's game.

N\K r 2 slow @ tasks, as proven in Ghana and Bangledesh.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: AmazingRace on November 22, 2010, 08:39:10 AM
The most mental team of the final 3 always wins when there is a final mental task.

Eric & Danielle are not exactly what I would call a team that uses Mental Ability more than Physical Ability. There are other factors that plays a part into a team winning. So to say, (Enter Team here) won't win because they have been lucky to have made it to the Final 3 is totally situational.

Just because Nat/Kat were slow in certain tasks does not mean they would not excel in the let's say (The Final Task) because it is a different task. It could or could not work to their advantage. It totally depends.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 08:42:56 AM
The most mental team of the final 3 always wins when there is a final mental task.

Eric & Danielle are not exactly what I would call a team that uses Mental Ability more than Physical Ability. There are other factors that plays a part into a team winning. So to say, (Enter Team here) won't win because they have been lucky to have made it to the Final 3 is totally situational.

Just because Nat/Kat were slow in certain tasks does not mean they would not excel in the let's say (The Final Task) because it is a different task. It could or could not work to their advantage. It totally depends.

I always understood that Erid\Danielle won b\c Dustin\Kandice's machine malfunctioned.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Nettez on November 22, 2010, 08:43:15 AM
The most mental team of the final 3 always wins when there is a final mental task.

Eric & Danielle are not exactly what I would call a team that uses Mental Ability more than Physical Ability. There are other factors that plays a part into a team winning. So to say, (Enter Team here) won't win because they have been lucky to have made it to the Final 3 is totally situational.

Just because Nat/Kat were slow in certain tasks does not mean they would not excel in the let's say (The Final Task) because it is a different task. It could or could not work to their advantage. It totally depends.

Gotta agree with you. There really are so many factors that one cannot control. Being the strongest team and winning the most legs won't count if things just work against you on the final leg. Look at Brian and Ericka of Season 15, they were denied of a chance to win simply because the person counting the poker chips made an error.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 08:44:33 AM
The most mental team of the final 3 always wins when there is a final mental task.

Eric & Danielle are not exactly what I would call a team that uses Mental Ability more than Physical Ability. There are other factors that plays a part into a team winning. So to say, (Enter Team here) won't win because they have been lucky to have made it to the Final 3 is totally situational.

Just because Nat/Kat were slow in certain tasks does not mean they would not excel in the let's say (The Final Task) because it is a different task. It could or could not work to their advantage. It totally depends.

Gotta agree with you. There really are so many factors that one cannot control. Being the strongest team and winning the most legs won't count if things just work against you on the final leg. Look at Brian and Ericka of Season 15, they were denied of a chance to win simply because the person counting the poker chips made an error.

As if they would have won anyway.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Nettez on November 22, 2010, 08:50:53 AM
Well, my point was that it could have happened to anyone. No one is in control of such things.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 09:01:04 AM
There's no convincing skeptics and conspiratorialists.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 22, 2010, 10:07:30 AM
Now what do u think about B\C's winning abilities?
1. J\T will not win b\c they r not smart enough. They had to use the Express Pass to stay n the race n Sweden b\c they were so lost. They switched Detour tasks multiple times n Russia2. They have mainly stayed n the Race b\c of luck and physical ability.
2. N\K will not win b\c they are simply 2 slow @ tasks. Kat slowed their team down in Ghana @ the sunglasses task. They were not eliminated b\c of luck. Nat slowed their team down n Bangledesh. They were not eliminated b\c they had U-Turned C\S.
3. N\V will not win b\c they r not smart enough and fight all the time.
Brooke and Claire r the strongest team on TAR 17!

Partly right.  I agree with you that Jill & Thomas and Nick & Vicki won't win.  But I think Nat & Kat still have a chance to win.  They were certainly slow with the Roadblock but did you forget that Nat & Kat had done a great job with the Detour and that Brook & Claire were U-Turned?  Nat & Kat would've finished the Roadblock before Brook & Claire (and Chad & Stephanie) anyway.

Brook & Claire have a good chance of winning, I agree, but so do Nat & Kat.  And I'll be rooting for them!

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 10:30:35 AM
Partly right.  I agree with you that Jill & Thomas and Nick & Vicki won't win.  But I think Nat & Kat still have a chance to win.  They were certainly slow with the Roadblock but did you forget that Nat & Kat had done a great job with the Detour and that Brook & Claire were U-Turned?  Nat & Kat would've finished the Roadblock before Brook & Claire (and Chad & Stephanie) anyway.

Brook & Claire have a good chance of winning, I agree, but so do Nat & Kat.  And I'll be rooting for them!

Belle Book

No way! The two U-turned teams both completed the hard brick carrying tasks and arrived before Nat was done. She must have taken at least an hour. It would have been a real race at the RB if not for the Uturn and C/S getting lost twice.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 22, 2010, 10:41:48 AM
I don't know if we're allowed to post TAR 18 contestant spoilers here. But heck, you're in the spoiler section anyway. If i can't moderators please feel free to edit my post.

Sorry, but someone might not want to be spoiled for TAR 18... :(
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Caelestor on November 22, 2010, 11:46:36 AM
Partly right.  I agree with you that Jill & Thomas and Nick & Vicki won't win.  But I think Nat & Kat still have a chance to win.  They were certainly slow with the Roadblock but did you forget that Nat & Kat had done a great job with the Detour and that Brook & Claire were U-Turned?  Nat & Kat would've finished the Roadblock before Brook & Claire (and Chad & Stephanie) anyway.

Brook & Claire have a good chance of winning, I agree, but so do Nat & Kat.  And I'll be rooting for them!

Belle Book

No way! The two U-turned teams both completed the hard brick carrying tasks and arrived before Nat was done. She must have taken at least an hour. It would have been a real race at the RB if not for the Uturn and C/S getting lost twice.

I think that the rickshaw RB took far longer than it seems. It's not easy assembling 8 parts of a vehicle...
I estimate that the RB took about 1:30, while the detour took 0:45.
Point is, N/K are about as fast as C/S and B/C. What seriously dragged the latter two down was the fact that they actually ran to the pitstop...
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 22, 2010, 05:49:19 PM
no problem peach! thanks for clarifying!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 22, 2010, 07:12:41 PM
Partly right.  I agree with you that Jill & Thomas and Nick & Vicki won't win.  But I think Nat & Kat still have a chance to win.  They were certainly slow with the Roadblock but did you forget that Nat & Kat had done a great job with the Detour and that Brook & Claire were U-Turned?  Nat & Kat would've finished the Roadblock before Brook & Claire (and Chad & Stephanie) anyway.

Brook & Claire have a good chance of winning, I agree, but so do Nat & Kat.  And I'll be rooting for them!

Belle Book

No way! The two U-turned teams both completed the hard brick carrying tasks and arrived before Nat was done. She must have taken at least an hour. It would have been a real race at the RB if not for the Uturn and C/S getting lost twice.

I think that the rickshaw RB took far longer than it seems. It's not easy assembling 8 parts of a vehicle...
I estimate that the RB took about 1:30, while the detour took 0:45.
Point is, N/K are about as fast as C/S and B/C. What seriously dragged the latter two down was the fact that they actually ran to the pitstop...

I think you're right, Caelestor!  The Roadblock probably was harder than the Detour was (even for Brook & Claire), so Nat was probably close to being done by the time Brook & Claire and even closer by the time Chad & Stephanie arrived.  The editing might have made the three teams seem closer at the Roadblock than they really were.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 07:24:27 PM
Partly right.  I agree with you that Jill & Thomas and Nick & Vicki won't win.  But I think Nat & Kat still have a chance to win.  They were certainly slow with the Roadblock but did you forget that Nat & Kat had done a great job with the Detour and that Brook & Claire were U-Turned?  Nat & Kat would've finished the Roadblock before Brook & Claire (and Chad & Stephanie) anyway.

Brook & Claire have a good chance of winning, I agree, but so do Nat & Kat.  And I'll be rooting for them!

Belle Book

No way! The two U-turned teams both completed the hard brick carrying tasks and arrived before Nat was done. She must have taken at least an hour. It would have been a real race at the RB if not for the Uturn and C/S getting lost twice.

I think that the rickshaw RB took far longer than it seems. It's not easy assembling 8 parts of a vehicle...
I estimate that the RB took about 1:30, while the detour took 0:45.
Point is, N/K are about as fast as C/S and B/C. What seriously dragged the latter two down was the fact that they actually ran to the pitstop...

I think you're right, Caelestor!  The Roadblock probably was harder than the Detour was (even for Brook & Claire), so Nat was probably close to being done by the time Brook & Claire and even closer by the time Chad & Stephanie arrived.  The editing might have made the three teams seem closer at the Roadblock than they really were.

Belle Book


Still, N\K only did one D task, while B\C and C\S did two each!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: kadilahopper on November 22, 2010, 09:07:16 PM
Who I want to win is Jill and Thomas.  I think that they work well together and they have shown  powerful drive throughout the race.  They both have that intensity about them, especially Thomas.  They kinda remind me of Rob and Amber.  That kind of intensity.  Before the race began I was biased.  Both female teams have high salary jobs and  already make bookoos of money.  Jill and Thomas don't.  I know that should not be a factor,and I am not saying that the girls didn't work for where they are at financially. I am sure they did.   I just feel that TAR racers who don't have financial security seem to want it more. That's where the intensity of the teams come in.  That being said Brooke/Claire and Nat/Kat have been good teams, but I have not seen that "drive" in them.   Here's to Jill and Thomas. My hopes are with you!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Levi Rinno on November 23, 2010, 02:34:02 AM
Who I want to win is Jill and Thomas.  I think that they work well together and they have shown  powerful drive throughout the race.  They both have that intensity about them, especially Thomas.  They kinda remind me of Rob and Amber.  That kind of intensity.  Before the race began I was biased.  Both female teams have high salary jobs and  already make bookoos of money.  Jill and Thomas don't.  I know that should not be a factor,and I am not saying that the girls didn't work for where they are at financially. I am sure they did.   I just feel that TAR racers who don't have financial security seem to want it more. That's where the intensity of the teams come in.  That being said Brooke/Claire and Nat/Kat have been good teams, but I have not seen that "drive" in them.   Here's to Jill and Thomas. My hopes are with you!
Sure.  Whatever you say.  If you want the season to end badly, then go right ahead.

Have RESPECT for each other, regardless of opinion. This of course includes no flaming/insulting other users and/or their posts.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: redskevin88 on November 23, 2010, 02:42:31 AM
Who I want to win is Jill and Thomas.  I think that they work well together and they have shown  powerful drive throughout the race.  They both have that intensity about them, especially Thomas.  They kinda remind me of Rob and Amber.  That kind of intensity.  Before the race began I was biased.  Both female teams have high salary jobs and  already make bookoos of money.  Jill and Thomas don't.  I know that should not be a factor,and I am not saying that the girls didn't work for where they are at financially. I am sure they did.   I just feel that TAR racers who don't have financial security seem to want it more. That's where the intensity of the teams come in.  That being said Brooke/Claire and Nat/Kat have been good teams, but I have not seen that "drive" in them.   Here's to Jill and Thomas. My hopes are with you!
Sure.  Whatever you say.  If you want the season to end badly, then go right ahead.


Why? Look i really wanted Jeff/Jordan to make the final 3 in TAR 16, but for me, it was still quite fun (but the finale was a bore) and i think it was a good season...


Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Nettez on November 23, 2010, 07:29:27 AM
Oh come on guys, we all have our favourites. Even if we debate consistently about who's going to win and who's not based on our own criteria it's not going to make a difference so relax... In the end, whichever team wins deserves it, whether or not they have run the race the best.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: TexasLady on November 23, 2010, 07:43:10 AM
Oh come on guys, we all have our favourites. Even if we debate consistently about who's going to win and who's not based on our own criteria it's not going to make a difference so relax... In the end, whichever team wins deserves it, whether or not they have run the race the best.

Well said!  :tup:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2010, 08:07:48 AM
Oh come on guys, we all have our favourites. Even if we debate consistently about who's going to win and who's not based on our own criteria it's not going to make a difference so relax... In the end, whichever team wins deserves it, whether or not they have run the race the best.

That sums up this thread pretty well.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Benedicto on November 23, 2010, 08:30:20 AM
I will LOL if Nat/Kat, and Jill/Thomas continue blabbing about their education while Brook & Claire remembered their trainwrecks and possibly remember it all which I'm hoping is true  :lol3:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2010, 08:56:44 AM
I will LOL if Nat/Kat, and Jill/Thomas continue blabbing about their education while Brook & Claire remembered their trainwrecks and possibly remember it all which I'm hoping is true  :lol3:

R u referring 2 a final memory task?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Cocoa on November 23, 2010, 09:26:06 AM
This thread can go on and on and on forever until the Finale episode airs. I'm glad the four remaining teams are worthy enough! (If they are not worthy, then why are they still alive?)
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 23, 2010, 09:27:12 AM
This thread can go on and on and on forever until the Finale episode airs. I'm glad the four remaining teams are worthy enough! (If they are not worthy, then why are they still alive?)

Probably why i stop commenting on this thread. :lol:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Cocoa on November 23, 2010, 09:28:24 AM
This thread can go on and on and on forever until the Finale episode airs. I'm glad the four remaining teams are worthy enough! (If they are not worthy, then why are they still alive?)

Probably why i stop commenting on this thread. :lol:


That was my last comment... and

THIS. IS. MY. LAST. POST. Period. No erase. :lol:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2010, 09:35:22 AM
This thread can go on and on and on forever until the Finale episode airs. I'm glad the four remaining teams are worthy enough! (If they are not worthy, then why are they still alive?)

Probably why i stop commenting on this thread. :lol:


No u didn't.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Belle Book on November 23, 2010, 10:02:28 AM
Oh come on guys, we all have our favourites. Even if we debate consistently about who's going to win and who's not based on our own criteria it's not going to make a difference so relax... In the end, whichever team wins deserves it, whether or not they have run the race the best.

Well said, there.  The Prophet may toot Brook & Claire's horn while I defend Nat & Kat, but in the end may the best team win -- whichever one that is!

Belle Book
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Jobby on November 23, 2010, 10:06:43 AM
This thread can go on and on and on forever until the Finale episode airs. I'm glad the four remaining teams are worthy enough! (If they are not worthy, then why are they still alive?)

Probably why i stop commenting on this thread. :lol:


No u didn't.

Yea i didn't. What can you do about this? :rodeo

People, i think we're better off sourcing for TAR 18 spoilers on twitter, facebook and google than going on with this pointless argument on this thread. :tup:
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2010, 10:46:54 AM
We've all basically stated our opinions anyway. Right now we are just waiting for the finale.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think Will Win TAR 17?
Post by: TexasLady on November 23, 2010, 01:51:32 PM
We've all basically stated our opinions anyway. Right now we are just waiting for the finale.


And with this, this discussion has come to an end. Nothing left to say except au revoir So Long.. Good bye!  :waves:

Congratulations to the winners, whichever team it is! :hearts: