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Archive => RFF Archived Boards => The Amazing Race 18 Spoilers and Speculation => Topic started by: georgiapeach on September 22, 2010, 02:08:39 AM
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The Amazing Race will be back! Although fans are still waiting for word of an official renewal from CBS for our favorite series, TAR 18 is apparently a definite GO!!
Plans for TAR 18 seem to be well under way. The next season of TAR will reportedly include a group of former racers from Season 12 onwards, and may already be completely casted. At least one round of "final" racer casting interviews has already occurred.
With the lack of any official TAR 18 applications, it has been widely speculated online for months that TAR 18 could be an "All-Stars" of some sort. While that term is not being used officially as of yet, it IS clear that we are going to have another chance to see some of our favorite (and perhaps not so favorite racers) in action again!
Filming is expected to begin later this fall.
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Great news, although I fully expected there would be a TAR 18!
:jumpy: :beer: :jumpy: :party: :jumpy: :yess: :jumpy: :tup:
I look forward to Luke's comments (or more likely, his complete silence). :lol:
Plaidmoon
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I speculate that Kynt and Vyxsin, as one of the most recognizable and "out there" teams in the shows history, will get to come back for another go. :hearts:
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Glad there is a TAR18! BUT...didn't think they'd be bringing back former racers so soon! Might they be celebrating TAR's 10th Anniversary or something? It's a little early considering 10 years would have been official come September 5, 2011 (the next Fall season). So what's up with that casting call in Boston a few weeks ago and the one coming up in Atlantic City? Do you think there's a possibility it's a Fans vs. Favorites thing? I don't know, happy but disappointed. Well, here's to hoping for Ronald & Christina, Terence & Sarah and Jaime & Cara!
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another all star :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
For me:
sure:
Jet cord
micheal louie
meghan cheyne
fligh time big easy
marge luke
nick starr
Kynt Vyxsin
Maybe:
carol brandy
zev justin
cara jamie
mel mike
tony dallas
kelly christy
ken tina
ronald christina
nathan jennifer
And ..someone of tar 17...
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Great work, Peach!
Anything but a celebrity edition. I think that before they would do a Jet/Cord they'll bring in Brent/Caite and Carol/Brandy. They'll want to stoke those fires again. If an all-girl team doesn't win 17, then I think you'll see Keisha/Jenn and Jamie/Cara again. Although I'm not sure how Jamie's newfound celebrity might affect that possibility.
I'd like to see Dallas/Toni again. If it's truly "All-Stars" then you need to have teams that finished in the top 4-5 of their season. I would love to see Flight Time/Big Easy again...
I think that you could have an interesting season if you left winners out:
1. Kynt/Vyxsin
2. Ronald/Christina
3. Toni/Dallas
4. Dan/Andrew OR Ken/Tina
5. Margie/Luke
6. Jamie/Cara OR Keisha/Jenn
7. Flight Time/Big Easy
8. Carol/Brandy
9. Brent/Caite
10. Season 17?
11. Season 17?
I think I could go with that. The only reason I list Brent/Caite is because I think that the biggest storyline of 16 was Carol/Brandy and Brent/Caite and the powers that be will want to milk that one again.
I don't know if Ken and Tina would want to do it again. If not, see if the bumbling frat guys can run an ugly race again.
Now, if they want previous winners on the show, I would love to see a race that included:
Meghan/Cheyne
Nick/Starr
TK/Rachel
Tammy/Victor
Flight Time/Big Easy
Jet/Cord
Jamie/Cara
Toni/Dallas
Kynt/Vyxsin
Season 17
Season 17
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I'm excited for a race with former teams! Let's hope they bring on some of my favorite teams :hearts:
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A former teams season would be great... But would they also go back to pre-Season 11 winners as well that didn't compete in Season 11?
And wow, that would be a VERY interesting season. But stick in Jet and Cord...
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ugh. Another wishlist-of-teams posts. :groan: We already have a thread for that, I think it would be better to discuss other speculations, NOT wishlists. :waves:
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Some interesting dates concerning Jet and Cord......
The Professional Bull Riders Finals in Vegas are Oct 20-25th, 2110. The National Finals Rodeo is also in Vegas from Dec 2 to Dec 11th, 2110.
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Some interesting dates concerning Jet and Cord......
The Professional Bull Riders Finals in Vegas are Oct 20-25th, 2110. The National Finals Rodeo is also in Vegas from Dec 2 to Dec 11th, 2110.
Didn't they skip the December rodeo to do TAR last year? I know that TAR was filming during that time, and I'm pretty sure the rodeo was at that time as well.
I remember Maria and Tiffany skipped the WSOP to do their edition of the Race.
Does anyone know if Ken and Tina have said that they don't want to do TAR again? For some reason, I thought that I had seen a quote where they said something along the lines of, "we loved the race and are grateful for it, but one time is enough." Am I mistaken on this one?
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Some interesting dates concerning Jet and Cord......
The Professional Bull Riders Finals in Vegas are Oct 20-25th, 2110. The National Finals Rodeo is also in Vegas from Dec 2 to Dec 11th, 2110.
I'm by no means a rodeo expert even though I live in a fanatical rodeo town. The 100th Pendleton Round Up was last week and we're just getting back to normal. Anyway, I looked over the Pro Rodeo Cowboy Association (PRCA) site (they run the National Finals Rodeo) at http://www.prorodeo.com (http://www.prorodeo.com) and I couldn't find Cord or Jet McCoy anywhere in the standings for any event. So, I doubt if they will qualify for the National Finals Rodeo.
Cord definitely competes in the Professional Bull Riders (PBR) Tour http://www.pbrnow.com (http://www.pbrnow.com). I don't fully understand how their tour is set up, but they have two divisions, the Built Ford Tough Series and the Touring Pro Division. Cord is in 69th place in the first and 15th place in the second. When you check on the qualifiers list for the Professional Bull Riders Finals, Cord is in 46th place. Ordinarily, I'd say that wouldn't be good enough to qualify for the finals, but when you are trying to put on a 2 or 3 hour show of just bull riding that goes for 10-15 seconds per contestant, they may qualify more than 50 bull riders.
As for Jet, I didn't find him at the PBR site, so I'm guessing he's not competing anywhere this year.
Even if Cord competes at the PBR finals, the PBR doesn't resume again until January 2nd or later, so Cord would have October 26th through January 1st off and TAR usually films during that window. Frankly, even finishing last in TAR 18 would probably be more than he would make in one or two events, so it would be worth his while to skip them for another shot at TAR if it were to run past the first of the year.
Plaidmoon
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Those two events are like the Super Bowl of football. Whether competing or not, cowboys attend. They missed last year on TAR.....lots of politicing goes on there about which rodeos they will attend in the next year.
And you are right Plaidmoon2, after the NFR, rodeo cowboys take a winter break. They start back up with the Fort Worth Rodeo and Stock Show which it the first of the year.
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Keep in mind that the filming dates might be earlier than for TAR 16, and all that's required with the 21-day filming cycle that's been in vogue since TAR 12, and using teams that have been on TAR before, a team could only need to be away for four weeks; from what I'm gathering about the professional rodeo calendar discussion, there's plenty of leeway for a four week engagement that might not get detected,
Jet no longer competes from what I understand, just Cord; from what was posted by CBS about them for TAR 16, Jet is primarily a bull and horse breeder for the rodeo circuit.
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Does anyone know if Ken and Tina have said that they don't want to do TAR again?
I think they would love to! They have been wonderful at giving back to the community at large. You can watch (and help!) them in their latest adventure charity venture right here:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23399.0.html
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I'd be pretty sure Kynt and Vyxsin would be back??!! Ken and Tina would be great
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If 18 is a former racers TAR, then my thanks to you Peach for the heads up. The all stars was a complete bust for me. Everybody had changed from their loveable and not so loveable selves in the all stars. Just about every team on that race I truly enjoyed their first time around. But all I saw on the All Stars was a bunch of fuddie duddies. I won't repeat that disappointment again. With this heads up I can skip 18. Thanks! :<)
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Oh don't give up so soon.... :tup:
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Oh don't give up so soon.... :tup:
Agreed. I love All-Star seasons. I don't know why people don't like it, but still :hearts:
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All Stars can be good IF we have people who truly love the race and love another opportunity.
For instance, Margie and Luke probably don't have any desires to make it big. Would they love another chance to run the race after their third place in season 14? Absolutely.
If you load this thing up with 11 teams who have hopefully learned a little about the race and want another opportunity, then we could be on to something.
If you load it up with teams who think they're back because the world loves them and wants to see them make it into show business, then you are going to have a problem.
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Like clem, I am not really too fired up about an AllStar repeat. What I remember most about TARAS was how blas'e and laissez faire most of the teams were. Since, they had already done it once, there wasn't much "fire and excitement" from all but the final 4 teams to me. I really dont want to watch that again. Shuffling through the Amazing Race is not worth watching.
A couple of recurring themes have been a part of every race. 1)The desire of every team at the start to not be the 1st team eliminated and 2)the desire to make F3. So I would suggest to not ask any F3 teams back. They have been the "whole" way, they had their shot. Maybe in only inviting teams that finished 4-6, we might get a bunch of teams that will race hard again. That they will be excited 24/7 and really compete, instead of just getting a nice vacation at ES.
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Amen 1000% to what Competitor says.
Y'all know I am a TAR purist...I want ordinary people doing extraordinary things, and despite my love for all our past and present racers, I really prefer to see fresh faces who adore the show and have dreamed about being on the race and worked hard to apply, get a chance.
But this could be far worse, it could be some weird celebrity thing!! :o
The bottom line is....I have faith in TPTB, they have kept me in love and fascinated with TAR for 17 seasons and heading right into our ten year anniversary...so I know whatever they have planned wll be fun and entertaining for us all! And like you all, I have a mental list of racers who I would love to see get a second chance, or just plain enjoy watching again...so I will be excited to see how this all unfolds. :hearts:
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As the one who actually started the original discussion (at TWoP*) of what became the format of TAR 11 (All Stars, Returen of the Racers, whatever), I'm fully aware of the casting issues that arose from the approach TPTB took for the original "all-star" edition. I'm one of those who think the formula they use was not the best way they could have gone, in particular (in principle as opposed to the actual result) the creation of a team that had not competed that way originally.
The strength of TAR 11 was the route, and the fact that many teams were of about equal skill in that season. But as the numbers bore out, many of those teams (except for the frankenstein team) competed about as well in TAR 11 as they had originally (Oswald and Danny, for one example). My problem with casting that season is that they picked the teams TPTB thought were entertaining and enjoyable, or which CBS tried to ram down our collective throats as such, and frankly, TPTB's perceptions on that were off.
They need to resist the Russell Wentz (Survivor) temptation (bringing some back because they think that would make great television) and creating artificial teams. It is the casting methodology that was flawed the first time around, and I fear what we'll be faced with if the same approach is used again. Had TAR 11 been the "best of the best" as many of us had hoped, TAR 11 would have been far more interesting and would have generated far more interest than what we got. Can we hope that we can, at least have a higher presence of the "best of the best" and less of the artiticality of the alleged entertainment value of certain teams?
[*- I've never really explained how that came to be publicly, but that original discussion was started by me the the request of former Racers who wanted another chance to run the Race for the experience, and against the best competition. I had to get permission from TWoP's powers that be at the time, but their concerns were addressed and well, the rest played itself out over several years until TAR 11 began airing. I will say that I think waiting until after 9 regular seasons had been in the can to try it the first time was too long, as several seasons ended up having no representation. At least if georgiapeach's informed speculation is on the mark, TPTB will be working with six seasons and giving themselves a way to have two teams from each of the six seasons that would be included.]
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Another problem from TARAS was that teams were cast who weren't true "All Stars". If you cast this season with teams who all made it to the final 4-5 of their season, then you have the potential for an unbelievably exciting race.
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The other thing that really messed up TARAS was all the confusion/conflict with the Haj when they were in East Africa.
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I still grieve for our "lost" Tanzanian leg!!
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Another problem from TARAS was that teams were cast who weren't true "All Stars". If you cast this season with teams who all made it to the final 4-5 of their season, then you have the potential for an unbelievably exciting race.
That is why I have a problem using the term "Allstars". I think some of the most interesting teams to watch might be ones who DIDN'T get to the end the first time around...Think of a team like Garrett and Jessica...smart, well traveled, good with languages...and then went out first (okay, second)...who knows how they might do given a second chance? I do want to see teams with a fire to RACE and really play the game though, regardless of what position they went out in before.
This really says it all for me:
All Stars can be good IF we have people who truly love the race and love another opportunity.
If you load this thing up with 11 teams who have hopefully learned a little about the race and want another opportunity, then we could be on to something.
If you load it up with teams who think they're back because the world loves them and wants to see them make it into show business, then you are going to have a problem.
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Another problem from TARAS was that teams were cast who weren't true "All Stars". If you cast this season with teams who all made it to the final 4-5 of their season, then you have the potential for an unbelievably exciting race.
I don't agree that "All-Star" teams are the ones who made it the furthest in the race. I think an "All-Star" Amazing Race team is one that performed well (regardless of how far they went), had the drive to win, enjoyed the experience, and developed or maintained a strong relationship with each other throughout. The All-Stars should indeed be the "best of the best", but there were some teams that could have been ruthlessly strong who fell out too early due to things that were outside of their control. I just don't think placings can be a reliable indicator of actual team strength as so many varied factors play a role in how far into the race a team actually gets.
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This All-Stars is like HvV on Survivor (10 yr Anniversary right?). Well that was a great season imo. I like All-Stars so I hope people don't give up too soon! And Peach, this sounds like a def go... from what you said in Post 21 right?!
And also, will it feature only teams from TAR12- or can the likes of Colin and Christie return? If this season won't be All-Stars 2 but they need a All-Stars name "Best of the Best" fits and Colin and Christie are arguably one of the greatest teams ever. Just wondered if your comment about it being 12 on was right or not? :tup:
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Glad there is a TAR18! BUT...didn't think they'd be bringing back former racers so soon! Might they be celebrating TAR's 10th Anniversary or something? It's a little early considering 10 years would have been official come September 5, 2011 (the next Fall season)...
Or if you want to be technical, they would mark March 8th as the true 10th anniversary since they actually started racing live. Chances are that date would fall inside TAR18's run.
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Can't we just call it a former racers edition? The reason why TARAS was underwhelming because most of the teams chosen could not live up to the All Stars moniker.
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Colin and Christie are arguably one of the greatest teams ever.
I would love to see this team again. Christie only did ONE roadblock that last time and she took 4 HOURS to do it. She didnt even help Colin with the ox. Under the new Roadbock rules, she is going to have big time problems. Also the flights now are dictated by Production....so there goes Colin's ability to work the flights. Colin was great!! But this is a two person team race now.....
And I like the idea of calling it Former Racers Edition...
Carissa is all grown up now.....so would be fun to see Tammy/Carissa on the race too.
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I still grieve for our "lost" Tanzanian leg!!
What was it about? I thought there was a leg in Tanzania right?
I don't like Colin & Christie, but would love a Tammy/Carissa or Bill/Billy race. Colin's a jerk.
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Carissa is all grown up now.....so would be fun to see Tammy/Carissa on the race too.
I think you'll have to wait for two more AS before that :lol:
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Is there ANY... possibility that Ken and Tina could be racing this season? I really liked them in TAR13, they really grew on me but since the race is starting soon and K&T are doing the charity circuit things, is there no possibility? :(
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For those who do not recall, in AR11 the unexpected major flight problems from Maputo to Dar-Es-Salaam made some teams nearly 2 days behind. The intended pit stop of that leg was Arusha near Mount Kilimanjaro (which just happens to have an excellent international airport for flying out to Europe.). Phil had to be repositioned to have the pit stop in Stone Town on Zanzibar Island. We'll never know what we missed, but I found the tasks on Zanzibar Island quite interesting.
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For those who do not recall, in AR11 the unexpected major flight problems from Maputo to Dar-Es-Salaam made some teams nearly 2 days behind. The intended pit stop of that leg was Arusha near Mount Kilimanjaro (which just happens to have an excellent international airport for flying out to Europe.). Phil had to be repositioned to have the pit stop in Stone Town on Zanzibar Island. We'll never know what we missed, but I found the tasks on Zanzibar Island quite interesting.
was that the episode with the super long boat ride?
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Some interesting dates concerning Jet and Cord......
The Professional Bull Riders Finals in Vegas are Oct 20-25th, 2110. The National Finals Rodeo is also in Vegas from Dec 2 to Dec 11th, 2110.
Didn't they skip the December rodeo to do TAR last year? I know that TAR was filming during that time, and I'm pretty sure the rodeo was at that time as well.
I remember Maria and Tiffany skipped the WSOP to do their edition of the Race.
Does anyone know if Ken and Tina have said that they don't want to do TAR again? For some reason, I thought that I had seen a quote where they said something along the lines of, "we loved the race and are grateful for it, but one time is enough." Am I mistaken on this one?
Don't forget Cord is getting married in November. I highly doubt he'd change that!
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All my friends and TAR discussion groups that I email are in consensus. Apparently I am not the only one who thought all-stars was a bust and are not looking forward to a repeat. When I brought the subject up about 18 being past racers there was a lot of disappointment. So I guess we will skip 18. I hope it lives up to all your expectations and you enjoy all your past favorites. I will catch up with you on 19 if it comes to fruition. Have fun.
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I've said how I feel... I like ordinary folk.
but I would never give up on TAR so soon...always give it a chance! If you feel the same way after an episode or two, fair enough...
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If 18 is a former racers TAR, then my thanks to you Peach for the heads up. The all stars was a complete bust for me. Everybody had changed from their loveable and not so loveable selves in the all stars. Just about every team on that race I truly enjoyed their first time around. But all I saw on the All Stars was a bunch of fuddie duddies. I won't repeat that disappointment again. With this heads up I can skip 18. Thanks! :<)
This. Too many teams changed their "character" for the All Star Race.
Also, in retrospect, I wish I had never peeked at Puddin's boot list. Determining eliminations through detective work is one thing, a boot list is another.
If they do have an All-Stars race, I hope the race route is made up of classic road blocks, detours, and pitstops. Sort of an All Star race course. I think I could go for that.
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Also, in retrospect, I wish I had never peeked at Puddin's boot list. Determining eliminations through detective work is one thing, a boot list is another.
If they do have an All-Stars race, I hope the race route is made up of classic road blocks, detours, and pitstops. Sort of an All Star race course. I think I could go for that.
I wish I'd never peeked at the boot list either (although it was on a different website, I think). I hated seeing that John Vito & Jill were the first team out!
I'd give a second All-Stars Race a chance, as long as the teams were better.
Belle Book
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What does this mean? It's happening tomorrow.
eta. I just saw this info posted in another thread. A mod may delete this if desired.
(http://i51.[banned image hosting site].com/20ups83.jpg)
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It could be for the next TAR?
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If you go to both sites mentioned and find the TAR pages at each, this is what you'll find.
The CBS Philadelphia station has a eglibility statement (file name labeled The Amazing Race 20" in part, and a genernic TAR video release statement that's not tied any particular edition of TAR. The hotel site is hosting a copy of the TAR 17 application only (but not the other documents found at the other site.)
Conclusion? Your guess is as good as mind at this point, but it does suggest that perhaps CBS is revamping its application paperwork for future editions of TAR.
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I'd be pretty sure Kynt and Vyxsin would be back??!! Ken and Tina would be great
I'd take them in a heartbeat, not the overly-dominant, one-dimensional bores who beat them.
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As we head into October, just a reminder that Phil is riding in the MS Ride in Southern California the weekend of 10/16-10/17. It would seem to me that all detectives should be on guard at any point after that to figure out when the TAR 18 racers are off.
It should be pretty easy to spoil the cast this time since it's expected to be all returning racers!
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And the fact that a lot of the tasks were either (1) lame or (2) offensive to the point of possible racism -- the Hong Kong leg, for example.
I'd really hope they bring back at least a couple of teams from pre-TAR11, even if the focus is on newer teams. We've gotten old cast members (even if only Fairplay) in both FvF and HvV on Survivor, so it's definitely not without precedent. Ken & Gerard coming back would be made of epic win.
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K
My Suggestion would be:
Ronald/Christina
Nathan/Jennifer [I hope they don't separate :'( ]
Kynt/Vyxsin
Ken/Tina
Jaime/Cara
Kisha/Jen
Christie/Jodi
Brian/Ericka
Maria/Tiffany
Carol/Brandy
Brook/Claire
Gary/Mallory
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Brook/Claire
If this is indeed a former-racers race, Brook and Claire might not be there (if they are likeable) because Claire swallowed a watermelon seed.
Claire's pregnant. It's pretty hard to race with a watermelon in your belly...
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Speaking of pregnant, is there any possibility that they bring back Colin & Christie?
Granted that they didn't do All Stars was because she was pregnant, I think it would only be fair.
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So I read on the Survivor Sucks forum that BB11's Kevin tweeted "supposedly next TAR is a 'twist' all stars. Not what/who you'd think." Thoughts? I thought maybe this could be true, given that it's only been 6 seasons since the last all-stars, and some higher ups involved with TAR mentioned that they weren't interested in doing another All-Stars... so maybe this isn't what we think it is?
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So I read on the Survivor Sucks forum that BB11's Kevin tweeted "supposedly next TAR is a 'twist' all stars. Not what/who you'd think." Thoughts? I thought maybe this could be true, given that it's only been 6 seasons since the last all-stars, and some higher ups involved with TAR mentioned that they weren't interested in doing another All-Stars... so maybe this isn't what we think it is?
Did you even read the first two pages of this thread?
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So I read on the Survivor Sucks forum that BB11's Kevin tweeted "supposedly next TAR is a 'twist' all stars. Not what/who you'd think." Thoughts? I thought maybe this could be true, given that it's only been 6 seasons since the last all-stars, and some higher ups involved with TAR mentioned that they weren't interested in doing another All-Stars... so maybe this isn't what we think it is?
Did you even read the first two pages of this thread?
I did, but I didn't see any mention of whether there could be another interpretation of "All-Stars" (maybe celebrity?). Apologies if I missed it--I only saw speculation of whether it'd be another All-Stars version similar to season 11. Please carry on if what I said is irrelevant! :)
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Hmmm sounds interesting :3
n lol it seems that lots of people want the cowboys back :hearts:
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I still grieve for our "lost" Tanzanian leg!!
SUre you do Peach... Everyone knows you still have dreams of Antarctica.
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Yeah....Antarctica is high on my list...they were so close.
But Kenya/Tanzania are places of my heart... I spent months there and loved every single second.
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Yeah....Antarctica is high on my list...they were so close.
But Kenya/Tanzania are places of my heart... I spent months there and loved every single second.
I do kid. But besides casting. The flight issue really destroyed three full legs of the race. For all the issues over the years that have on occasion came up its been the one to truly impact the race. And three episodes before teams were back on the same foot is a huge, huge part of the race.
Of course the downside is that ever since then production has really worked to keep the teams together (too much so).
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I am expecting us to to revisit some wonderful locations this time around... they have another chance!! :yess:
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Yeah....Antarctica is high on my list...they were so close.
Given what TPTB have done this season with Ghana and the Arctic Circle, the logistics to reach parts of Antarctica are no more difficule during its summer by air charter.
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bring back india
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bring back india
I remembered the many Indian legs we had in a few consecutive season... :lol:
Actually, i don't care where they go, as long as they give me my TAR. :lol:
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K
My Suggestion would be:
Jaime/Cara
You can forget about the team too. Jamie has a one year personal services contract to Playboy and Cara is in law school. Cara won't be taking another break from her studies to compete again in TAR.
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This All-Stars is like HvV on Survivor (10 yr Anniversary right?). Well that was a great season imo. I like All-Stars so I hope people don't give up too soon! And Peach, this sounds like a def go... from what you said in Post 21 right?!
And also, will it feature only teams from TAR12- or can the likes of Colin and Christie return? If this season won't be All-Stars 2 but they need a All-Stars name "Best of the Best" fits and Colin and Christie are arguably one of the greatest teams ever. Just wondered if your comment about it being 12 on was right or not? :tup:
I agree. Colin and Christie were supposed to be on All Stars but Christie was pregnant, so they denied.
It would be awesome to see them compete again
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All-Stars Wishlist! :jumpy:
(Not counting teams that are in the Final 3)
(TAR12-TAR16)
Nathan & Jennifer
Kynt & Vyxin
Toni & Dallas
Kelly & Christie
Flight Time & Big Easy
Maria & Tiffany
Jordan & Jeff
Jody & Shannon
Monique & Shawne
Steve & Allie
Terence & Sarah
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Please no contestant wishlists in here.
This is for speculation and spoilers on the season.
:ty3:
Contestant thread is here:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23391.0.html
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If season 18 begins filming next month as an 2nd All-Star season, I speculate that we may see more Africa and Oceania next season and possibly Brazil again with the chance of more Asia. I also hope we get 13 legs again with a intermediate destination on the final leg. Even an actual Pit Stop in Canada or Finland would be nice. Canada has been visited only twice and Finland once and both of these countries were either a intermediate stop or in Finland's case a TBC point. For Brazil, I hope they visit Manaus and Brasilia, and in Oceania a return to Australia would be nice and even a new Pacific Island country like Palau or Fiji. For Asia, Bahrain or Jordan is a chance, even Laos and Indonesia, but Central Vietnam is a must have and so is Malaysian Borneo. And for Africa, Morocco should make a comeback and Zimbabwe or Gabon should also get visits. For the final leg(s), Northern Alaska like Fairbanks or Barrow would be nice or Southeast Alaska would be great. Just have more starting lines that's not in Los Angeles for a while.
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Fairbanks or Barrow
You are really not serious are you?
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Fairbanks or Barrow
You are really not serious are you?
I am serious, everytime the race visits Alaska, its mainly around the Anchorage area. Fairbanks is a good sized city and Barrow is the most northernmost city in the US. Fairbanks has alot around there and Barrow is right next to the Arctic Ocean. Imagine teams taking a dip in the frozen sea as a task, they swam in a frozen lake in South Korea during Season 4. Plus Juneau the state capital is also on my list due to the mountainous backdrop and the nearby glaciers.
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I haven't been to Barrow, but I have been all around Fairbanks and as far as you can go on roads (not far) around Juneau and to Glacier Bay by boat from there. I have also been on the Alaska Inside Passage cruise ship route (Ketchikan, Petersburg, Sitka, Skagway) and my cousin has sent me reports that Seward, Whittier and Kenai are all worth visiting. Alaska is full of interesting things. If one of the above were the first stop in a east-to-west Amazing Race, there would be time to take in the natural beauty. The reason it has been Anchorage so often is that it is at the end of west-to-east race and the flights from Anchorage to mainland U.S. cities are far better than for any other city in Alaska.
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I wonder how will WRP decide the teams this time (if it indeed is an All-Stars)
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Even an actual Pit Stop in Canada or Finland would be nice. Canada has been visited only twice and Finland once and both of these countries were either a intermediate stop or in Finland's case a TBC point.
I really doubt that they're coming to Finland because northern Finland = northern Sweden/Norway (except less mountains, more forests). And southern Finland in November/early December is the most boring and ugly place on earth (and I can say this because I'm Finnish). But if they'll come to Finland I got my camera ready!
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Fairbanks or Barrow
You are really not serious are you?
I am serious, everytime the race visits Alaska, its mainly around the Anchorage area. Fairbanks is a good sized city and Barrow is the most northernmost city in the US. Fairbanks has alot around there and Barrow is right next to the Arctic Ocean. Imagine teams taking a dip in the frozen sea as a task, they swam in a frozen lake in South Korea during Season 4. Plus Juneau the state capital is also on my list due to the mountainous backdrop and the nearby glaciers.
I doubt that TAR would visit Fairbanks or Barrow during a season showing in the winter/spring period because it's just too cold. From the weather underground, I found this weather data:
Fairbanks
November 25th (a random date a month from now that I picked)
Average High Temp 7F Record High Temp 54F
Average Low Temp -11F Record Low Temp -43
June 4th (a date that would have occurred near the end of the running of the current season)
Average High Temp 68F Record High Temp 86F
Average Low Temp 45F Record Low Temp 29F
Barrow
November 25th
Average High Temp -5F Record High Temp 30F
Average Low Temp -10F Record Low Temp -36F
June 4th
Average High Temp 35F Record High Temp 47F
Average Low Temp 27F Record Low Temp 8F
If they visited either place in late November or December, they would be running around in zero or sub zero temperatures trying to accomplish tasks. Possibly as cold as 20 below zero. They would have to limit outdoor time greatly to avoid frostbite. Not to mention that poor Phil would likely be out there for hours unless it was an indoor pit stop. Polar bear plunge dips in the ocean would be very unwise. At the very least, you'd have teams shivering and complaining about how cold they were. That's not great TV. Also, camera and sound equipment might have issues being used in that kind of cold. I know that Fairbanks is prone to ice fog in the winter. That could impact air travel. Day time is down to about 5 hours and 15 minutes in Fairbanks and even less in Barrow.
If they ever go to either place, it would have to be in early summer for the seasons that start airing in September. Juneau is a slight possibility for November/December, but it also is subject to weather problems impacting air travel. They get some strong storms.
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I still remember a particularily delightful day in Deadhorse. Deadhorse is about 150 miles ESE from Barrow. We actually worked outside in -75 F and a nice 70 mph breeze. We didn't work very long or very much. We kept having to go inside to warm up. Plaidmoon didnt post it, but the wind blows ALL THE TIME in the winter. See if you can find a chart with the wind chill for those conditions.
It is also very very DARK at that time of year. You would have to have a lot of extra lighting equipment/people to shoot any kind of TV production outside. So why go up there to shoot in a bldg....I am sure everyone was so excited to see the interior scenes of the ice block storage bldg in Kiruna.
As long as TAR keeps its present shooting schedule of odd numbered races in late spring and even numbered races in late fall, it would be beyond ludicrous, into the realm of absurdity to go there around the winter solstice to film TAR18. The best time to shoot TAR on the Slope would be late July/early Aug and thats to close to the start of the fall TV schedule.
I once spent an hour layover for my flight in Barrow in the winter....it was about 59 minutes to long. To be quite frank, TAR has already shown the interesting native stuff in Alaska in previous TARs. The only thing left, that would not be a repeat, would be something related to the oil industry/pipeline related activities around Deadhorse.
Fairbanks is in a hole between the Brooks Range to the north and the Alaska Range to the south. In winter, it is notorious for white out conditions. It the summer, you could do some of the gold panning stuff or do some military stuff at the army fort or air force base, ala Guam.
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I still remember a particularily delightful day in Deadhorse. Deadhorse is about 150 miles ESE from Barrow. We actually worked outside in -75 F and a nice 70 mph breeze. We didn't work very long or very much. We kept having to go inside to warm up. Plaidmoon didnt post it, but the wind blows ALL THE TIME in the winter. See if you can find a chart with the wind chill for those conditions.
It is also very very DARK at that time of year. You would have to have a lot of extra lighting equipment/people to shoot any kind of TV production outside. So why go up there to shoot in a bldg....I am sure everyone was so excited to see the interior scenes of the ice block storage bldg in Kiruna.
As long as TAR keeps its present shooting schedule of odd numbered races in late spring and even numbered races in late fall, it would be beyond ludicrous, into the realm of absurdity to go there around the winter solstice to film TAR18. The best time to shoot TAR on the Slope would be late July/early Aug and thats to close to the start of the fall TV schedule.
I once spent an hour layover for my flight in Barrow in the winter....it was about 59 minutes to long. To be quite frank, TAR has already shown the interesting native stuff in Alaska in previous TARs. The only thing left, that would not be a repeat, would be something related to the oil industry/pipeline related activities around Deadhorse.
Fairbanks is in a hole between the Brooks Range to the north and the Alaska Range to the south. In winter, it is notorious for white out conditions. It the summer, you could do some of the gold panning stuff or do some military stuff at the army fort or air force base, ala Guam.
I couldn't find a wind chill chart that covered conditions as extreme as you described, but I found the wind chill formula at http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/windchill/index.shtml (http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/windchill/index.shtml). If my calculations are correct (and I'm not all that certain they are - I had a much higher number the first time I calculated it), the wind chill for -75F (-59.4C for those more familiar with Celsius temperatures) and 70 mph winds is -144.7F (-96C). That sounds nightmarish. :holysheep The worst i saw during my 3 winters in North Dakota was roughly -30F (-34.4C) with a 35 mph wind. That was a -69F (-56.1 C) wind chill. That was bad enough, I can only imagine how much worse it would be to drop it another 75 degrees.
I've never been to Alaska, so I can't vouch for the winds up there. North Dakota is much further south but it did tend to be windy. I had a friend in North Dakota who had lived in Barrow for seven years and he said that people mostly stayed indoors during the winter unless they had a good reason to go out. He said there wasn't a lot to see or do up there aside from the oil industry. That and polar bears. :escape
He did say that because the oil workers made so much :toast, they had quite a few of the fast food outlets you'd see down here. While that's interesting (at least to me), I don't think it would be an attraction for TAR.
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You had to be extremely careful when you went outside in the dark. The polar bears really wandered around a lot. They were looking for food in garbage dumps. The places I worked, we had very large incinerators to burn up everything that would burn to try to keep them away. Also we had arctic foxes. You had to be careful of them for the rabies potential.
In the summer, we had barren ground grizzlies wandering around. One summer we were drilling a well about 100 miles south of Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay in the foothills of the Brooks Range. One grizzly tried to climb the V-door (pipe ramp) up to the drill floor of the rig. That was about 30 feet off the ground. The angle of the ramp was too steep and he never figured out how to use the stairs. But two guys were standing there with a couple of high powered rifles at the ready in case he did......lol He finally wandered off across the tundra. The last day I remembered it snowing was July 10th about 2 am. By 6am the snow was all melted and by noon the mosquitos had arrived....clouds of them. Really a pest for about a month and then they disappeared.
One of the reasons they such a problem with alcoholism is that "staying indoors." I was there from 73-75. The runway at Deadhorse was gravel. Wien Air Alaska pioneered the use of 737s on gravel strips. Scared the hell of me the first time. I got on the 737 in Anchorage and figured it was an okay place......lol Then they landed on a gravel strip.
Deadhorse was/is not the end of the world....but you could/can see it from there...
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My friend that worked in Barrow mentioned the alcoholism problem more than a few times. He said it wasn't too unusual to find one of the native americans (sometimes even children) wandering about dead drunk in the cold. For their own safety, they would bring them into his work place and let them sleep it off. He said there were quite a few times when he had 2 or 3 people snoring away in the corner of the room while he was doing his work.
He worked for the US Government and to get people to work up there, the government gave them a number of perks, one of which was to pay for shipping of his belongings up there. That included his car, which was shipped on a cargo plane from Anchorage. He said there wasn't much in the way of roads up there, but he at least had it to drive around town. They also shipped it back when he left.
He apparently didn't see polar bears too often because the local police worked to keep them chased out of town. That was where the dump was and that probably was more attractive to the bears anyway. He had his cat up there and said the cat liked to go outside when it wasn't too cold and catch lemmings and other rodents, which were abundant.
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When I was up there, Prudhoe Bay was basically a two company town.......BP (Sinclair) and Arco/Exxon. They both had permanent camps. Everyone else up there basically lived in temporairy camps. I dont know who was in charge of bear patrol, but every once in a while, you would see a helicopter moving around pretty slow. You could tell they were looking or tracking something. We always had a few guys that would trap the foxes and take the pelts to fur buyers in Anchoage. Everytime I see a woman wearing a white fox coat/jacket...I always wonder if I knew the fox....lol
All the camps had incinerators and the remains of them were all shipped back to Fairbanks and disposed of there. Ours was shipped back on backhauls of C-130 charters we used to fly in equipment/supplies for the drilling operation. The haul road was not finished till late in 74.......but my employer never used it. It was basically reserved for BP/Arco-Exxon/Aleska Pipeline Company. I see today it is a state highway and open to public.....one mean road. Dalton Highway is what they call it now to the newbies.....it will always be the haul road to me.
If we were drilling in a remote location ( ie no road contact with Prudhoe Bay) we used charter flights to resupply our camp/drill site. If we were connected by road to Prudhoe Bay.....the flights landed at Deadhorse. It was much easier to drill in winter time....we just would make ice roads to connect with gravel roads at Prudhoe.
Well enough of ancient Alaska history....this is probably making people mad.
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Oh to he'll with them!
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I was agreeing with the Doctor that we had probably gone off on this tangent long enough. I'm glad we were interesting to somebody. Unfortunately, I've pretty much exhausted my second hand knowledge of Barrow and Northern Alaska. My friend did mention one interesting thing you could do up there (although it's hard to see how you could use it in a task). He said on the coldest days, you could take a bucket of steaming hot water outside and toss it from the bucket into the air. The water would freeze before it hit the ground and create a fairly large cloud of ice crystals in the process.
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Loved hearing all this, but for clarity remember that Alaska is a wishlist and has nothing to do with any TAR 18 spoilers. Since some people from here are broadcasting elsewhere that RFF is saying TAR 18 is starting in Alaska. :lol3:
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Loved hearing all this, but for clarity remember that Alaska is a wishlist and has nothing to do with any TAR 18 spoilers. Since some people from here are broadcasting elsewhere that RFF is saying TAR 18 is starting in Alaska. :lol3:
Yikes! :groan: OK, I've said enough about Alaska!
Maybe I'd better not mention my current co-worker that spent a couple of winters at the South Pole! B:)
For the record, let me state that I have no knowledge of any plans for TAR 18 to visit Alaska or any other location. Given that they will be traveling in November and December, I think it is extremely unlikely that they will go to Alaska this next upcoming season.
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Is there any evidence for TAR 18 going to Alaska or is this just Storytime?
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I believe it was just a storyline
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If season 18 begins filming next month as an 2nd All-Star season, I speculate that we may see more Africa and Oceania next season and possibly Brazil again with the chance of more Asia. I also hope we get 13 legs again with a intermediate destination on the final leg. Even an actual Pit Stop in Canada or Finland would be nice. Canada has been visited only twice and Finland once and both of these countries were either a intermediate stop or in Finland's case a TBC point. For Brazil, I hope they visit Manaus and Brasilia, and in Oceania a return to Australia would be nice and even a new Pacific Island country like Palau or Fiji. For Asia, Bahrain or Jordan is a chance, even Laos and Indonesia, but Central Vietnam is a must have and so is Malaysian Borneo. And for Africa, Morocco should make a comeback and Zimbabwe or Gabon should also get visits. For the final leg(s), Northern Alaska like Fairbanks or Barrow would be nice or Southeast Alaska would be great. Just have more starting lines that's not in Los Angeles for a while.
:yess:
yup just rumors
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Is there any evidence for TAR 18 going to Alaska or is this just Storytime?
There's NO evidence that I'm aware of. Someone else suggested that they could possibly go to Northern Alaska during the late fall/early winter racing for a spring season of TAR. Dr. Rox and I went into massive overkill story time mode to suggest why this was unlikely. I kind of wish we hadn't because it's been confusing people ever since. :(
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Is there any evidence for TAR 18 going to Alaska or is this just Storytime?
There's NO evidence that I'm aware of. Someone else suggested that they could possibly go to Northern Alaska during the late fall/early winter racing for a spring season of TAR. Dr. Rox and I went into massive overkill story time mode to suggest why this was unlikely. I kind of wish we hadn't because it's been confusing people ever since. :(
Ok, that's kind of what I got out of it. It seems like you were right that conditions would be too harsh.
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NO evidence...just enthusiastic speculation.
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Sorry for my "sabbatical".
If this rumor holds true my 11 teams would have to be (Season 12+)
Kynt & Vyxsin -12
Ronald & Christina -12
Nick & Starr - 13
Andrew & Dan - 13
Margie & Luke - 14 - Could be a possibility due to luke's absence in the boards
Kisha & Jen- 14
Sam & Dan - 15
Jet & Cord - 16
Brent & Caite- 16
Carol & Brandy -16
Brook & Claire -17
Even though I don't personally like all those teams, I have to agree that these all have a fan following.
One problem I see is that when they did the first all stars they didn't bring back any big time rivals. I don't think they want to open the season with teams that already hate each other like Kisha and Jen vs. Margie and Luke or Carol and Brandy vs. Brent and Caite. This would bring down the season, which is why they didn't do it before.
Also, would watching Dandrew bumble around again really be that interesting?
I would love to see Jet and Cord again and I know they must have gotten asked but I still don't think that they will do it together. Cord and Sara would be interesting though.
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Snowy, maybe. Cold, definitely not.
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Sorry for my "sabbatical".
If this rumor holds true my 11 teams would have to be (Season 12+)
Kynt & Vyxsin -12
Ronald & Christina -12
Nick & Starr - 13
Andrew & Dan - 13
Margie & Luke - 14 - Could be a possibility due to luke's absence in the boards
Kisha & Jen- 14
Sam & Dan - 15
Jet & Cord - 16
Brent & Caite- 16
Carol & Brandy -16
Brook & Claire -17
Even though I don't personally like all those teams, I have to agree that these all have a fan following.
One problem I see is that when they did the first all stars they didn't bring back any big time rivals. I don't think they want to open the season with teams that already hate each other like Kisha and Jen vs. Margie and Luke or Carol and Brandy vs. Brent and Caite. This would bring down the season, which is why they didn't do it before.
Also, would watching Dandrew bumble around again really be that interesting?
I would love to see Jet and Cord again and I know they must have gotten asked but I still don't think that they will do it together. Cord and Sara would be interesting though.
I have to agree with you -- I don't think they'll bring back teams that hate each other, although Kisha & Jen and Margie & Luke might've gotten over their rivalry. Carol & Brandy and Brent & Caitie, not so much. One of those two teams will definitely not be on this All-Stars season.
Belle Book
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Sorry for my "sabbatical".
If this rumor holds true my 11 teams would have to be (Season 12+)
Kynt & Vyxsin -12
Ronald & Christina -12
Nick & Starr - 13
Andrew & Dan - 13
Margie & Luke - 14 - Could be a possibility due to luke's absence in the boards
Kisha & Jen- 14
Sam & Dan - 15
Jet & Cord - 16
Brent & Caite- 16
Carol & Brandy -16
Brook & Claire -17
Even though I don't personally like all those teams, I have to agree that these all have a fan following.
One problem I see is that when they did the first all stars they didn't bring back any big time rivals. I don't think they want to open the season with teams that already hate each other like Kisha and Jen vs. Margie and Luke or Carol and Brandy vs. Brent and Caite. This would bring down the season, which is why they didn't do it before.
Also, would watching Dandrew bumble around again really be that interesting?
I would love to see Jet and Cord again and I know they must have gotten asked but I still don't think that they will do it together. Cord and Sara would be interesting though.
They brought back Kevin & Drew and Joe & Bill...
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I think he means in the original AllStars.
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Kevin & Drew and the Guidos were big time rivals of their season.
Just as you could say Rob & Amber and Joyce and Uchenna were rivals. You could also include Mary & Dave versus the Beauty Queens as the Pack Pack/ Six Pack were rivals with Tyler & James, Dustin and Kandice, and Rob & Kimberly. Its just out of those six teams there was also a specific Beauty Queens versus Bama rivalry as well.
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No Brent and Caite, YES Carol and Brandy please! (okay, this is a wish, sry for that.)
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I think he means in the original AllStars.
Yes. But by the time they came back, Kevin & Drew were not as strong, they were like cancer patients (especially Drew, come on losing to a girl especially Charla is very embarrassing).
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I think he means in the original AllStars.
Yes. But by the time they came back, Kevin & Drew were not as strong, they were like cancer patients (especially Drew, come on losing to a girl especially Charla is very embarrassing).
And now... for today's joke we are insulting small people. Very funny (:colealert:)
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I think Kevin was recovering from a pre-Race injury that was significantly impairing his movement at the time TAR AS was filmed, but he went ahead and Raced anyway because he didn't want to disappoint the fans.
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That was Drew...
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plus Drew stepped off an unseen curb in the dark at the very first route marker in Quito and hurt his shoulder.
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No Brent and Caite, YES Carol and Brandy please! (okay, this is a wish, sry for that.)
I believe I read in one of Brent & Caite's post-race interviews that they are no longer dating and live on opposite sides of the country, so I doubt they would appear on the Race again. (Granted, that didn't stop John Vito & Jill for All-Stars 1, but JV&J weren't constantly at each others' throats like B&C.)
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I think he means in the original AllStars.
Yes. But by the time they came back, Kevin & Drew were not as strong, they were like cancer patients (especially Drew, come on losing to a girl especially Charla is very embarrassing).
And now... for today's joke we are insulting small people. Very funny (:colealert:)
I didn't meant to insult Charla, I was making fun of Drew.
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Is anyone checking around LA for filming permits? Ihis time of the year I would think a Florida, Nevada or California start would be likely.
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Is anyone checking around LA for filming permits? Ihis time of the year I would think a Florida, Nevada or California start would be likely.
nvm
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Depends on the locality the filming is starting from. Every state and local area does things a little differently. Since California, Nevada, and Florida have been used in the past; I wouldn't be surprised if for the second straight time, they go somewhere they have not used to start or finish the Race.
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Depends on the locality the filming is starting from. Every state and local area does things a little differently. Since California, Nevada, and Florida have been used in the past; I wouldn't be surprised if for the second straight time, they go somewhere they have not used to start or finish the Race.
Houston, Texas?
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Does peach have any inside scoop? She must know its about to start? Maybe she has some info, I hope I don't sound pushy...just wondered, :)
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Houston, Texas?
Houston is actually a great place to start. Battleship Texas and San Jacinto Park for the start....a nice drive to the airport all the way across town. Flights to S. America, Europe and Asia from the airport there.......a great exit and end city.
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I wish my kids still lived near the airport in Houston! I'd be camped out, with my small camera in hand ! LOL
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I wish my kids still lived near the airport in Houston! I'd be camped out, with my small camera in hand ! LOL
I bet you would....lol
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I wish my kids still lived near the airport in Houston! I'd be camped out, with my small camera in hand ! LOL
I bet you would....lol
Now might be a good time to take a practice run out to the airport...
Maybe try to take a few discrete non-blurry photos of random passengers - pretend they are racers.
If Homeland Security says anything - just tell them you're a TAR detective - they'll understand. :taze
Seriously though - you may spot production people moving into position... look for large cameras.
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TL.......cant you just see Phil in his little history lesson at the start......saying that the San Jacinto Monument is taller than the Washington Memorial in DC........lol Everything is bigger in Texas.....
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I speculate that we'll get an eyebrow at the Start Line, again
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Omg! All these pre-race speculations make me so excited! :-[ :jumpy: :wohoo: :yess: :jam:
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:peek
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As far as places that haven't been used; they haven't used Atlanta -- not even on TAR:FE. And as Peach can tell you there are some great places that can be used as a start or finish line, such as Centennial Olympic Park (you know how Bertram loves Olympic venues), Stone Mountain and its park (largest granite mountain east of the Mississippi River and largest urban park in the US), the Auburn Avenue Historic Site (Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ebenzer Baptist Church, the Georgia Aquarium (the world's largest), Zoo Atlanta (now regarded as one of the best zoological parks in the world), and others.
And Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson International Airports has connections headed almost everywhere in the world (Africa, Asia, Europe, South America, and elsewhere in North America, and usually considered the world's busiest airport in number of passengers and flights.
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As far as places that haven't been used; they haven't used Atlanta -- not even on TAR:FE. And as Peach can tell you there are some great places that can be used as a start or finish line, such as Centennial Olympic Park (you know how Bertram loves Olympic venues), Stone Mountain and its park (largest granite mountain east of the Mississippi River and largest urban park in the US), the Auburn Avenue Historic Site (Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ebenzer Baptist Church, the Georgia Aquarium (the world's largest), Zoo Atlanta (now regarded as one of the best zoological parks in the world), and others.
And Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson International Airports has connections headed almost everywhere in the world (Africa, Asia, Europe, South America, and elsewhere in North America, and usually considered the world's busiest airport in number of passengers and flights.
This is a very interesting point. Atlanta sounds like a great start line.
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As far as places that haven't been used; they haven't used Atlanta -- not even on TAR:FE. And as Peach can tell you there are some great places that can be used as a start or finish line, such as Centennial Olympic Park (you know how Bertram loves Olympic venues), Stone Mountain and its park (largest granite mountain east of the Mississippi River and largest urban park in the US), the Auburn Avenue Historic Site (Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ebenzer Baptist Church, the Georgia Aquarium (the world's largest), Zoo Atlanta (now regarded as one of the best zoological parks in the world), and others.
And Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson International Airports has connections headed almost everywhere in the world (Africa, Asia, Europe, South America, and elsewhere in North America, and usually considered the world's busiest airport in number of passengers and flights.
The one drawback: Peach lives there.
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As far as places that haven't been used; they haven't used Atlanta -- not even on TAR:FE. And as Peach can tell you there are some great places that can be used as a start or finish line, such as Centennial Olympic Park (you know how Bertram loves Olympic venues), Stone Mountain and its park (largest granite mountain east of the Mississippi River and largest urban park in the US), the Auburn Avenue Historic Site (Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ebenzer Baptist Church, the Georgia Aquarium (the world's largest), Zoo Atlanta (now regarded as one of the best zoological parks in the world), and others.
And Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson International Airports has connections headed almost everywhere in the world (Africa, Asia, Europe, South America, and elsewhere in North America, and usually considered the world's busiest airport in number of passengers and flights.
The one drawback: Peach lives there.
...That's a definite problem.
They're hiding from you, peach! :hides
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As far as places that haven't been used; they haven't used Atlanta -- not even on TAR:FE. And as Peach can tell you there are some great places that can be used as a start or finish line, such as Centennial Olympic Park (you know how Bertram loves Olympic venues), Stone Mountain and its park (largest granite mountain east of the Mississippi River and largest urban park in the US), the Auburn Avenue Historic Site (Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ebenzer Baptist Church, the Georgia Aquarium (the world's largest), Zoo Atlanta (now regarded as one of the best zoological parks in the world), and others.
And Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson International Airports has connections headed almost everywhere in the world (Africa, Asia, Europe, South America, and elsewhere in North America, and usually considered the world's busiest airport in number of passengers and flights.
The one drawback: Peach lives there.
:innocent: :innocent: :innocent:
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As far as places that haven't been used; they haven't used Atlanta -- not even on TAR:FE. And as Peach can tell you there are some great places that can be used as a start or finish line, such as Centennial Olympic Park (you know how Bertram loves Olympic venues), Stone Mountain and its park (largest granite mountain east of the Mississippi River and largest urban park in the US), the Auburn Avenue Historic Site (Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ebenzer Baptist Church, the Georgia Aquarium (the world's largest), Zoo Atlanta (now regarded as one of the best zoological parks in the world), and others.
And Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson International Airports has connections headed almost everywhere in the world (Africa, Asia, Europe, South America, and elsewhere in North America, and usually considered the world's busiest airport in number of passengers and flights.
The one drawback: Peach lives there.
:innocent: :innocent: :innocent:
:lol: :lol: :lol3: :lol3: :lol: :lol:
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As far as places that haven't been used; they haven't used Atlanta -- not even on TAR:FE. And as Peach can tell you there are some great places that can be used as a start or finish line, such as Centennial Olympic Park (you know how Bertram loves Olympic venues), Stone Mountain and its park (largest granite mountain east of the Mississippi River and largest urban park in the US), the Auburn Avenue Historic Site (Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ebenzer Baptist Church, the Georgia Aquarium (the world's largest), Zoo Atlanta (now regarded as one of the best zoological parks in the world), and others.
And Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson International Airports has connections headed almost everywhere in the world (Africa, Asia, Europe, South America, and elsewhere in North America, and usually considered the world's busiest airport in number of passengers and flights.
The one drawback: Peach lives there.
:innocent: :innocent: :innocent:
:lol: :lol: :lol3: :lol3: :lol: :lol:
That didn't stop TPTB from using L.A. for several consecutive seasons, and Cheateau lives there!
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I would be watching for helicopters around the scenic sights since this will be the first HD season I would think they would be out pre-production shooting some wow factor shots.
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Peach's comment sounds totally juicy!
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Woahhhh! The staff from the amazing race came to the gas station to get like 20 car washes :) 4 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Tweeter is in Ontario, Canada. Not firm enough for a Live Sighting, but who knows?
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So, based on the hints left by peach on the spec thread, I'm assuming the following:
*The skipped season could be Season 13, since there wasn't any interesting inter-team relations (IMO) pther than Dallas/Starr
*The only rivalries I can think of (12-16) are: Sam & Dan vs Meghan & Cheyne and Margie & Luke vs Kisha & Jen
*"Second chance" teams give me the idea of teams that raced well but were eliminated due to one fatal mistake, such as Zev & Justin and Gary & Mallory
As for "CBS favorites" I don't know if by "favorites" they mean the quirky, funny or bickering teams
Any thoughts?
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So, based on the hints left by peach on the spec thread, I'm assuming the following:
*The skipped season could be Season 13, since there wasn't any interesting inter-team relations (IMO) pther than Dallas/Starr
*The only rivalries I can think of (12-16) are: Sam & Dan vs Meghan & Cheyne and Margie & Luke vs Kisha & Jen
*"Second chance" teams give me the idea of teams that raced well but were eliminated due to one fatal mistake, such as Zev & Justin and Gary & Mallory
As for "CBS favorites" I don't know if by "favorites" they mean the quirky, funny or bickering teams
Any thoughts?
I still don't think they will bring back rivalries. That will bring down the image of the show. I do like the second chances idea though. This will excite the fans, be different than TAR 11, and actually be a really good idea. Why can't Toni and Dallas be a second chance team form 13? Also will this bring back all the U-turned teams?
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India appears to be off the travel warning list, so I'm expecting a visit in TAR 18.
The only other ones I strongly believe in are Indonesia and Australia.
And yes, I like the idea of second chances. Just call it Return of the Racers and I'll be satisfied.
I hate interteam rivalries, I love intrateam drama.
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Where are these hints?
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Where are these hints?
Peach posted a summary of all of her theories and source info over here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23693.0.html. It's more of a teaser than anything else.
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Wow, exciting! I hope TAR16 is the one overlooked tbh...I want to see Ken and Tina back personally....I'm now very excited!!!!!
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Why can't Toni and Dallas be a second chance team form 13?
I was speculating under the supposition that Season 13 is the most likely to be skipped.
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Why can't Toni and Dallas be a second chance team form 13?
I was speculating under the supposition that Season 13 is the most likely to be skipped.
I know, but it seems like they would fit that theme. I would guess 15 because everyone that was eliminated that year deserved it.
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TAR15 maybe?
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Woahhhh! The staff from the amazing race came to the gas station to get like 20 car washes :) 4 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Tweeter is in Ontario, Canada. Not firm enough for a Live Sighting, but who knows?
I discovered this same tweet this afternoon. From what he has told me he believes that it was the production for the American race on their way somewhere. This doesn't really seem to fit but is worth keeping in mind. The main reason being that the location he was at in Ontario is about an hours drive from the Niagara area.
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Woahhhh! The staff from the amazing race came to the gas station to get like 20 car washes :) 4 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Tweeter is in Ontario, Canada. Not firm enough for a Live Sighting, but who knows?
I discovered this same tweet this afternoon. From what he has told me he believes that it was the production for the American race on their way somewhere. This doesn't really seem to fit but is worth keeping in mind. The main reason being that the location he was at in Ontario is about an hours drive from the Niagara area.
Maybe production is preparing the cars for the Start Line nearby? (probably the US side of the falls)
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US Side of Niagra Falls, now that would be great!
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Woahhhh! The staff from the amazing race came to the gas station to get like 20 car washes :) 4 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Tweeter is in Ontario, Canada. Not firm enough for a Live Sighting, but who knows?
I discovered this same tweet this afternoon. From what he has told me he believes that it was the production for the American race on their way somewhere. This doesn't really seem to fit but is worth keeping in mind. The main reason being that the location he was at in Ontario is about an hours drive from the Niagara area.
Maybe production is preparing the cars for the Start Line nearby? (probably the US side of the falls)
That's my thought but it's not quite close enough to be nearby or far enough to forget about. If I am not mistaken the first task is almost always to drive themselves and with 11 or 12 teams over twenty cars is not too many.
I would keep a Niagara startline in mind for sure.
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Woahhhh! The staff from the amazing race came to the gas station to get like 20 car washes :) 4 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Tweeter is in Ontario, Canada. Not firm enough for a Live Sighting, but who knows?
I discovered this same tweet this afternoon. From what he has told me he believes that it was the production for the American race on their way somewhere. This doesn't really seem to fit but is worth keeping in mind. The main reason being that the location he was at in Ontario is about an hours drive from the Niagara area.
Maybe production is preparing the cars for the Start Line nearby? (probably the US side of the falls)
That's my thought but it's not quite close enough to be nearby or far enough to forget about. If I am not mistaken the first task is almost always to drive themselves and with 11 or 12 teams over twenty cars is not too many.
I would keep a Niagara startline in mind for sure.
Maybe twenty was an exaggeration. If you have 11-12 teams you should at least have 2-3 spare cars in case one fails.
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Ahh I live an hour away from Niagara Falls. Possibly they could be flying out of Buffalo Airport? or even Rochester?
That is if Niagara Falls is the startline. Or instead of flying for the 1st task, they could drive across the border into Canada and do some things before flying out of Toronto?
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And with the HD, what an awesome place to start out Season 18. Breathtaking views of Niagara Falls
sounds convincing enough to me.
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I agree, what better place to begin the HD Format :tup:
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Maybe twenty was an exaggeration. If you have 11-12 teams you should at least have 2-3 spare cars in case one fails.
What about producers and extra cameras?
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Ahh I live an hour away from Niagara Falls. Possibly they could be flying out of Buffalo Airport? or even Rochester?
That is if Niagara Falls is the startline. Or instead of flying for the 1st task, they could drive across the border into Canada and do some things before flying out of Toronto?
The nearest airports at Niagara Falls is Buffalo and Toronto. Toronto is a bigger airport than Buffalo and has alot of international flights outbound. Could the race start filming tomorrow. Weather for Monday in the area is rain, but tomorrow's weather there would be mostly cloudy, but good. A Sunday start is most likely. Driving to the first destination on the first leg happened before on Amazing Race 8, when the families drove from New York to Pennsylvania.
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Ahh I live an hour away from Niagara Falls. Possibly they could be flying out of Buffalo Airport? or even Rochester?
That is if Niagara Falls is the startline. Or instead of flying for the 1st task, they could drive across the border into Canada and do some things before flying out of Toronto?
The nearest airports at Niagara Falls is Buffalo and Toronto. Toronto is a bigger airport than Buffalo and has alot of international flights outbound. Could the race start filming tomorrow. Weather for Monday in the area is rain, but tomorrow's weather there would be mostly cloudy, but good. A Sunday start is most likely. Driving to the first destination on the first leg happened before on Amazing Race 8, when the families drove from New York to Pennsylvania.
That was the family edition though, I hope it does start in Toronto I live there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 :yess:
why dont you do some spy go to down new york torromor
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Rochester isn't as popular a city I guess as Buffalo or Toronto, but Rochester is roughly the same distance away from Niagara Falls as Toronto is.
If driving to the first destination is the case, than Toronto would seem more likely. The Buffalo Airport however, is only roughly 30 minutes away from Niagara Falls, so that could be the airport they fly out of if the first destination isn't in Canada.
Why start in Niagara Falls though if there are no plans to head into Canada.
This is all just speculation though, we still dont know if that is where they are starting off.
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My friend and I were actually planning on going to Niagara Falls yesterday as I had off work. We ended up not going though.
If Ii didn't have work or school to worry about I'd definately go see if I could find anything. It would be disappointing though if I got there and it wasn't the starting line of TAR18 or if I went a few days early/late :(
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Wow. I'm so excited. :hearts: Starting line task (w/out elimination pls), former racers, express pass(?)! :hearts:
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Adding a little temper to the piece:
I have a DK series travel book on Toronto that I bought at LAX during the startup of TAR16 because somebody spoofed us into thinking the first destination was Toronto. :groan:
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We have no evidence whatsoever to suggest Niagra....but anything is possible! Just remember that Ontario has tons of corporate Amazing Race style events.
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We have no evidence whatsoever to suggest Niagra....but anything is possible! Just remember that Ontario has tons of corporate Amazing Race style events.
I saw that guys tweet about the race, on more of the tweets, by the same person he mentioned he met the producers and crew.
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We have no evidence whatsoever to suggest Niagra....but anything is possible! Just remember that Ontario has tons of corporate Amazing Race style events.
I saw that guys tweet about the race, on more of the tweets, by the same person he mentioned he met the producers and crew.
Can you give me the person's twitter id, so I can ask him where exactly in the city he saw it.
I've already questioned him several times. He works at a carwash and says a convoy of race staff stopped by. He is not in Toronto if that's what you are wondering.
There is not a whole lot of evidence to back this lead up so we should probably leave him alone.
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We have no evidence whatsoever to suggest Niagra....but anything is possible! Just remember that Ontario has tons of corporate Amazing Race style events.
I saw that guys tweet about the race, on more of the tweets, by the same person he mentioned he met the producers and crew.
Can you give me the person's twitter id, so I can ask him where exactly in the city he saw it.
I've already questioned him several times. He works at a carwash and says a convoy of race staff stopped by. He is not in Toronto if that's what you are wondering.
There is not a whole lot of evidence to back this lead up so we should probably leave him alone.
The twitterer is in Brampton - which is just outside of Toronto and very close to YYZ.
Its not inconceivable that they were prepping cars for staging at the airport, although it doesn't seem likely they would publicize what the cars were to be used for.
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7-8 pm departures from LAX........London, Moscow, Singapore, Vancouver, zurich and glascow
8-9 pm departures from LAX........ London, Sydney and Vancouver
9-10 pm departures from LAX.....Auckland, London,, Calgary, Bangkok, Paris, Tahiti, Toronto
10-11 pm departures from LAX..... Auckland, Toronto, Tahiti, Sydney, HongKong, Taiwan, Seoul, Toronto
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You could also consider they could connect through an American city like Houston, Miami, Seattle, New York, Detroit, Chicago, or Atlanta.
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You could also consider they could connect through an American city like Houston, Miami, Seattle, New York, Detroit, Chicago, or Atlanta.
Very doubtful at this time of night.......the international flights out of those cities are leaving rignt now too
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7-8 pm departures from LAX........London, Moscow, Singapore, Vancouver, zurich and glascow
8-9 pm departures from LAX........ London, Sydney and Vancouver
9-10 pm departures from LAX.....Auckland, London,, Calgary, Bangkok, Paris, Tahiti, Toronto
10-11 pm departures from LAX..... Auckland, Toronto, Tahiti, Sydney, HongKong, Taiwan, Seoul, Toronto
London gives a lot of flight options, which they tend to like doing. But from LA they tend to go to South America first, or travel East->West.
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You could also consider they could connect through an American city like Houston, Miami, Seattle, New York, Detroit, Chicago, or Atlanta.
Very doubtful at this time of night.......the international flights out of those cities are leaving rignt now too
Forget about something called a "Red-Eye" aka overnight flight!!!
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I was wondering about Singapore or Bangkok? These could be a good option
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Forget about something called a "Red-Eye" aka overnight flight!!!
The red eyes are leaving RIGHT now from all those airports.......but you could go find some and not just spout off about them
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You could also consider they could connect through an American city like Houston, Miami, Seattle, New York, Detroit, Chicago, or Atlanta.
You are certainly welcome to go seach all those cities and look for flights.......be sure to figure in the connection flight and layover times for flights from LAX to each one of those cities.
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My spec is they're off to Vancouver or Melbourne via Auckland/Sydney.
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Forget about something called a "Red-Eye" aka overnight flight!!!
The red eyes are leaving RIGHT now from all those airports.......but you could go find some and not just spout off about them
Redeyes to YYZ leave at 23:00 and 21:55 West coast time...
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So if that hint was right about one season 12-17 not having any representing teams..
Season 17
Season 14
Season 12
All have possibly sighted teams from those respective seasons.
So 13,15,16 might not have any representatives. We will see though.
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Tomorrow, we would know where they will be for the first stop!
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So if that hint was right about one season 12-17 not having any representing teams..
Season 17
Season 14
Season 12
All have possibly sighted teams from those respective seasons.
So 13,15,16 might not have any representatives. We will see though.
I'm guessing 15.
Do we know if there's 11 or 12 teams?
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We don't know alot as yet!
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I really want to see another Season 17 team<3 Like Nat and Kat,Brooke and Claire (still hoping<3)..
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My spec is they're off to Vancouver or Melbourne via Auckland/Sydney.
They appear to be heading east not west!
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My spec is they're off to Vancouver or Melbourne via Auckland/Sydney.
They appear to be heading east not west!
And how do you know that?
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My spec is they're off to Vancouver or Melbourne via Auckland/Sydney.
They appear to be heading east not west!
And how do you know that?
They usually go eastbound or southbound on the race and only went westbound like TAR10 and TAR15. TAR13 they went south to Brazil and Bolivia and cross west to New Zealand. East/South is more reasonable.
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It would be a unique twist for original TAR to start at night; they've never done that before to start the Race; whether other editions have done so, i do not know.
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It would be a unique twist for original TAR to start at night; they've never done that before to start the Race; whether other editions have done so, i do not know.
I imagine Phil's opening speech like this "for these teams, the sun set early before, but as the sun goes down, the night life begins..."
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Y'all can go to the TAR 18 spec now!! :waves: