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The Amazing Race => The Amazing Race Discussion => Topic started by: RealityFreakWill on July 08, 2010, 01:08:45 PM
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Congratulations to The Amazing Race on their SEVEN nominations for the upcoming Primetime Emmy Awards!
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I had posted this earlier in Phil's forum, but this is a much more appropriate place.
Emmy nominations were announced this morning and it's good news for TAR & Phil!!
TAR was nominated for a total of 7 Emmys including the big 2:
Outstanding Reality - Competition Program
TAR
American Idol
Dancing with the Stars
Project Runway
Top Chef
Outstanding Host for a Reality or Reality Competiton Program
Phil Keoghan
Ryan Seacest
Tom Bergeron
Heidi Klum
Jeff Probst
The other five nominations for TAR were:
Outstanding Cinematography for Reality Programming
Outstanding Directing for Nonfiction Programming
Outstanding Picture Editing for Reality Programming
Outstanding Sound Editing for Nonfiction Programming
Outstanding Sound Mixing for Nonfiction Programming
The fifth episode of TAR 16 was the one entered; "I Think We're Fighting the Germans. Right?"
Congrats to all!
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There are Emmy categories for casting in drama and comedy, but nothing for reality tv. I wonder if that irks Spillman; casting for reality can be just as important--maybe more important--than for scripted shows.
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The seven nominations are the maximum TAR is eligible for. No other reality competition show got that many.
And as a refresher, the nominsted episode is the one with the World War I tasks, one that I think is one of the best the show has ever produced (and that's before the many mistakes made by the teams during the leg.)
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The best thing I loved about that episode was "?? ? ??"
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The best thing I loved about that episode was "?? ? ??"
Agree! :lol3: Jeff and Jordan were really funny there. :lol3:
But... but... but.... Survivor NOT in the Emmy list? (Or Apprentice) :o :o
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Well...this is the TAR Emmy thread. :)
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Well...this is the TAR Emmy thread. :)
I agree. That's right afterall. TAR is the best! :lol: :hearts: :jumpy:
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With Survivor being out of the picture (How the HELL did that happen btw) I don't see any way The Amazing Race can lose the emmy.
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!
Even if Phil were to win best host...the category is being dissed! :meow:
From Andy Dehnart:
Reality show host Emmy dropped from prime-time broadcast
industry news »
by Andy Dehnart / July 30, 2010, 1:23 PM
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The Emmy for outstanding reality show host will not be presented during the prime-time awards ceremony, as it has been for its first two years. Instead, it will be given out during the Creative Arts Emmys a week earlier, the ceremony dubbed the Schmemmys by Kathy Griffin.
An Academy spokesperson told Variety, “The host category was added two years ago and was never required to be in the Primetime Show. Additionally, last year CBS let the show run 5 minutes over and there were also two no-shows for awards which opened up more time in the show. Since the Bob Hope Humanitarian Award will be presented for the first time in six years, along with the second play of the show on the West Coast beginning at 8 p.m., NBC wants us to try to get off on time and there was just no room for more awards.”
That, of course, is what you might call “bull****,” and simply a sign of the contempt the Academy obviously has for unscripted TV shows. While both the best reality competition and best reality show Emmys will still be part of the prime-time broadcast, which this year airs on NBC Aug. 29, dropping this category was unnecessary.
The unnecessary filler that consumes time during the show could be cut if they actually cared about coming in on time. And considering they give awards during the prime-time telecast for supporting actors in miniseries, it’d be nice to also spend three minutes on an award that recognizes a person who fronts a show people actually watch.
Source: http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/industry_news/2010_Jul_30_host_dropped
Original story on Variety:
http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_air/2010/07/nbc-and-the-tv-academy-have-decided-to-move-the-reality-tv--host-award-out-of-primetime-and-tvs-top-emcees-arent-ha.html
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Below is the list of episodes entered. It's curious that Ryan Seacrest didn't submit the season finale of "American Idol." Instead, he opted for episode 30 (nine finalists perform). This category has only existed for two years, and "Survivor" emcee Jeff Probst has won both times. In the past, the prize was bestowed during the main telecast, but this year it will be handed out a week earlier at the Creative Arts ceremony.
Tom Bergeron, "Dancing with the Stars" ("Episode 1001")
Phil Keoghan, "The Amazing Race" ("Nanna is Kicking Your Butt")
Heidi Klum, "Project Runway" ("Sew Much Pressure")
Jeff Probst, "Survivor" ("This is the Man Test")
Ryan Seacrest, "American Idol" ("Episode 930/931A")
http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/2010/08/american-idol-project-runway-amazing-race-emmys-tv-reality.html
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Phil needs to win!! He works as hard as the contestants!!
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Yeah Phil does have to work his ass off during the race that he also (basically) completes. But lets face it we know that, but I think the judging can only be from the aired footage of the episodes. That just shows a fraction of what Phil does for those three weeks. So I understand why he hasn't won, even if I really want him to.
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Precisely... i think Ryan Seacrest might win this year.. Heidi Klum is just... :lol:
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Amazing Race up against The American Experience documentary on the My Lai Massacre in the nonfiction directing category. That My Lai documentary was very good.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3if92a9f797ed3bf6b41a19a63952fae9e
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I am a big Phil Keoghan fan but I just don't think that being the host of the Amazing Race allows him the opportunities that Jeff Probst has. Jeff participates throughout each episode and helps "tell the story". Except for the first episode where he always gives the standard spiel, Phil only appears at the end after the key events of the episode have occurred. He ends up being more of a recapper. It's kind of like baseball broadcasting. You have the play-by-play team and then you have the post game crew.
I can't comment on the other nominees. I do hope I'm wrong and Phil is awarded the Emmy.
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The Creative Arts Emmys will be presented Saturday, August 21!! We will know tomorrow if Phil wins the Emmy!! :hearts:
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:'( No darn it! Jeff wins again!
Full List of Winners (http://goldderby.latimes.com/)
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And this too... Survivor and TAR both have gorgeous shots...hard choice.
Probst's award was one of two won by Survivor, which also took home the Outstanding Cinematography For Reality Programming award.
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/jeff-probst-and-food-revolution-big-winners-at-creative-arts-emmy-awards-11475.php
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Peach if you watch both episodes its an easy win for Survivor. HDTV truly shows off the locals of a show. It is something TAR can really no longer be a leader off the pack in.
I actually was surprised it even managed a nomination.
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I am not surprised TAR lost on both these areas. Phil just does not have the air time that Jeff Probst gets. Phil doesn't have the interaction with the contestants that Jeff has. Phil starts the race. Phil checks in the racers at the pit stop, and that's it. I like Phil, but he has no obvious impact in the show. As far as cinematography goes, Survivor does have the edge BECAUSE it gives MORE AIR TIME to the scenery. Survivor only has to monitor ---2---- tribes. And they are at stationary locations. TAR has to monitor ---11---teams, CONSTANTLY MOVING, therefore the cinematography air time is limited. I am not surprised Survivor and Jeff won in these two categories. I still think TAR will take the BEST REALITY TV/COMPETION. It does deserve that!
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The fct that TAR isn't yet being filmed in HD is a significant factor; it affects how TAR is treated in the alternative platforms (e.g., Survivor is included in the On Demand options when CBS is a channel option; TAR isn't.
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Phil Keoghan explains why The Amazing Race shouldn’t withdraw from the Emmys
by Andy Dehnart / August 27, 2010, 1:23 PM
Prime-time Emmy awards will be handed out during the live telecast Sunday night, and if history is any guide, The Amazing Race will win its eighth consecutive Emmy for outstanding reality competition program. Eighth. This is getting so ridiculous that Jeff Probst said the show should withdraw and I get increasingly frustrated that the Emmys are failing to acknowledge other strong competition series while awarding a show that’s been largely treading water for the last few years.
Its host, however, thinks the show deserves its wins. I talked to Phil Keoghan a few weeks ago, and he addressed Probst’s comment last year. “So what about him, if he wins again as the host, do I tell him to [withdraw]?” I’ll have a conversation with him if he wins this year and say, ‘You won three years, you’ve got to pull out,’” Phil said. (Jeff subsequently did win his third Emmy for best host.) “It’s interesting, because some people have said that, and I’m like, ‘What about the Daily Show?’ How come nobody asks Jon [Stewart] about that?” Phil said.
As to withdrawing, he said, “I don’t think we should do that. We strive to make the show as god as we can make it ever season, and I think it’s up to the Academy to determine whether the show deserves to be acknowledged or not. Phil asked what I thought, and I told him among other things that it seems ridiculous that the show has won in years where it has weak seasons, such as the family edition. But Phil pointed out, “They’re judging it based on the episode that’s put forward. … That should be what it is, right? Because it would be impossible to have people judge every single episode, right?”
I’m not so sure, because how can a show be judged on a single episode? It’s like tearing a page or even a chapter out of a book and saying, “Oh, this book sucks” or “This book is great.” That’s nuts.
“Then I think it’d be a different competition. That would be hard to do,” Phil told me, and then discussed the category itself. “I also think it’s very hard to compare a show like American Idol with what we do. I think that’s a great show, by the wya; my daughter watches the show, I think it’s very well-done. I almost think there needs to be another category for shows that are—to me it’s more of a variety show, I don’t know if I would call it a reality show, personally. Because I think it’s a great show; I think it deserves to be nominated, but I think it’s very difficult to compare what they do or what we do with what Survivor does. It’s very different. Or So You Think You Can Dance or Dancing with the Stars—it’s a variety show that happens to have a competition element.”
Phil told me that there are such major differences in the way the show is produced that it should be judged separately. Shows like American Idol, he said, are “in a studio, it’s 69 degrees, and there’s a studio audience. It’s a show with an audience. My daughter watches, she loves it, I watch those shows. But how do you compare that to what we’re doing or what Survivor does? We’re o location, it’s 120 degrees, it’s freezing cold, it’s raining, the train’s cancelled, the flight’s cancelled, there’s political unrest. Unless there’s a strike in Hollywood, they go to a studio.”
“I think all shows have challenges. I do think our show is very difficult to make. You’re adding so many different variables,” Phil continued. When you’re in a studio, the crew turn up on time, you know what the temperature is, you know what the union rules are, you know the parameters you’re working in, and then you make your show. We are in places where we can’t create our own world inside a studio or a set. We are subjected to the rules of the real world. If a guy says, ‘Don’t shoot here,’ we can’t shoot there. If the weather goes crazy, we have to deal with that. It would be like working in a studio where someone turned the air conditioning off and everybody’s drenched with sweat, everybody would walk out and say, we’re not working in here.’”
http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/the_amazing_race_16/2010_Aug_27_phil_keoghan_emmys
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Peach lets go over to this guys house and kick his ass!!!!!
I've got the pitch forks you bring the torches.
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The one point the person does bring up (and on this I can actually see his point to a degree) is that unlike Comedy/ Drama only one episode has to get submitted. On the others it must be 6 (they also must produce 6 episode to be meet the qualifications to compete in any of the comedy series awards or Drama series awards.
Reality/ Non fiction shows do not, they can in fact only be one episode long. And if you look at the technically awards you notice that we face many shows (and usually lose to them) that are one episode (say for example a 2hour documentary).
But this has always been the case for the nonfiction categories. And by the same token each of those shows submit what the feel is their best work.
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The Amazing Race and Phil win win EVERYTHING..both deserve it.!! TAR is the best reality show ever....! :jam:
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Well, Phil can't win the host one, as that was decided last weekend. But he'll be apart of the overall celebrations when TAR wins tonight!
Well, it's the night the AR fans have been waiting for on an annual basis! The night where the streak and fate of TAR is on the line, natually. I’m pretty much in agreement with some of the people that are critical to the selections of the Emmy finalists. It’s pretty much the same finalists and same eventual winner year in and year out. While one could defend the fact that the selections deserve to be there, it doesn’t take a genius to realize that there were several negative points in some of those shows.
This may sound stupid, but I think TAR needs to lose in order to win in the long run. What I mean is that there hasn’t been a lot of effort put into the show over the past few seasons. However, if TAR keeps winning, no one is going to change anything because they’re doing something right. OTOH, with a loss, it might be a sign for the producers to restart and put a spark back into the show to best bring TAR back to its glory days.
I think what was disappointing (for me) was the fact that Probst went back-to-back-to-back as host in a show that wasn’t even nominated for best reality show (and hasn’t since 2007). I don’t even hate Jeff, but it’s baffling because his show totally deserved to get nominated this year. I don’t think it would’ve won over TAR (easily), but it totally dominated over American Idol, which was a complete nightmare. On the other end, Seacrest totally deserved the host Emmy over Probst, who some have argued that some of his questions/comments (like how the jury got it wrong with Natalie vs. Russell) were very critical. Seacrest is so outgoing and neutral. IMO, in the end, the Emmy team got it reversed between Idol and Survivor. But to a point; can't argue, as mentioned, that Jeff earned it. If you go by personality more than actions, Ryan wins. If it by actions, while Ryan doesn't a lot more than Phil, it pales in comparison to Jeff.
Point is that while TAR deserves the Emmy for best show, it doesn’t for host. Phil is awesome and full of class, but the show isn’t built for him to be able to do too much more than checking in and giving instructions for Route Info and the other tasks. And it sucks because it would change the show more than it’s been changed already! OTOH, as for the show itself, no doubt about it that it should win.
Either way, I won’t be surprised. If TAR wins, I’ll be happy of course, but I won’t be as excited and full of joy like I was during the first few years of its winning streak. OTOH, if it loses, then whatever! Maybe because the show has lost its magic it was destined to happen.
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Well, it's the night the AR fans have been waiting for on an annual basis! The night where the streak and fate of TAR is on the line, natually. I’m pretty much in agreement with some of the people that are critical to the selections of the Emmy finalists. It’s pretty much the same finalists and same eventual winner year in and year out. While one could defend the fact that the selections deserve to be there, it doesn’t take a genius to realize that there were several negative points in some of those shows.
This may sound stupid, but I think TAR needs to lose in order to win in the long run. What I mean is that there hasn’t been a lot of effort put into the show over the past few seasons. However, if TAR keeps winning, no one is going to change anything because they’re doing something right. OTOH, with a loss, it might be a sign for the producers to restart and put a spark back into the show to best bring TAR back to its glory days.
I have to disagree I think you can look at a few episodes in the last couple seasons as being specifically designed to push TAR over the top.
Look at season 14's opener (Don't let a cheese hit me) and the season 16's World War I themed episode, and those two are some of the best produced episodes the show has ever done. Meaning all the behind the scenes work.
As long as the non fiction/ reality categories let you submit just one episode the Emmy's aren't going to be a major factor in how TAR is produced (besides perhaps making sure once a cycle or once a year a great episode gets produced).
If anything its the viewers which are going to be the deciding factor, and unfortunately for those who feel TAR is losing its touch its ratings are better today then when the show started. Really since moving to Sundays TAR is doing in general better then all but seasons 6 and 7.
In fact I actually expect TAR's ratings to improve this year as well (unless the Under cover Boss final loses its appeal, which I never got in the first place).
As to survivor not getting a nom I was a little surprised but not much. While Survivor is also produced well, it is often seen as a very negative show. And unlike some shows that show negative aspects of humanity to show what we should change about ourselves, it seems to and especially this last year thrive in showcasing the negative aspects of humanity without showing much negativity about it. There are many members of the television community that would never honor a show that does so. In fact, since I started following survivor about season 8 (and managed to catch up with all of them) this last year was the only new seasons that I refused to watch the show live, as I was disgusted by what I had seen and read in recaps of Russell (and others but he seemed the ring leader). I found it vile.
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The one factor that seems to work in TAR's favor year-after-year is the production logistics; the only other shows that have had similar challenges (The Mole and Road Rules) are no longer on the air and in a way, that just reinforces how much of a challenge TAR is to produce. Couple that with the fact that the show does get nominated in every other technical category available to it, and that underscores the fact that TAR faces its challenges well. While some of the other nominees have live shows, which does offer a technical challenge of sorts, those do take place in a controlled studio environment, which is not the case with TAR.
As to Survivor not getting nominated, they've gotten lazy with the casting and the game. Casting Russell for both seasons this past year (along with a rumored returned in the spring) is a symptom of Survivor's problems -- it's starting to look like an expensive clone of The Road Rules-Real World challenges, where many of the same people keep showing up season after season. If TAR does do a second All Star edition (after seeing how disappointing the first attempt was for many viewers and fans), it'll be tempting the fates that it'll be cursed in the same way. Bertram doesn't want to do any more All Star editions for essentially that very reasons, and I hopw to high heavens that CBS listens to that advice.
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Keeping fingers and toes all crossed for for TAR! The WWI episode was outstanding visually, hopefully that will do the trick!!
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oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Top Chef??
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oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Top Chef??
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Fully expected TAR to win there once again. When they announced Top Chef my initial reaction was "Top Chef?! Who do I even know who WATCHES Top Chef?!"
Only person I could come up with is my ex....the girl I applied to TAR with (prior to our eventual downfall :lol:)
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I am really, really shocked......
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I am really, really shocked......
I think we just got U-Turned. :o
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I am now going to download the episode they put up....
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I am really, really shocked......
I think we just got U-Turned. :o
Key Brandy & Carol going off.......
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oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Top Chef??
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Fully expected TAR to win there once again. When they announced Top Chef my initial reaction was "Top Chef?! Who do I even know who WATCHES Top Chef?!"
Only person I could come up with is my ex....the girl I applied to TAR with (prior to our eventual downfall :lol:)
EXCATLY i was sooooooooooo suprised I was like WHAT!? I don't even know what "Top Chef" is about :groan: :groan:
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God,I hope the Daily show loses now.
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NOOOOOOO!
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Well, I'm not trying to be a sourgraper here, but let's accept it. Give chance to others. :tup:
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Well, I'm not trying to be a sourgraper here, but let's accept it. Give chance to others. :tup:
But I don't WANNA!!!! :'(
/ToddlerFit
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Disappointing that TAR didn't win tonight, but if TAR wasn't going to win, at least it was against a classy show, and not to (crap like) PR, DWTS, TA, Survivor, AI. Survivor this year was pretty good but, as mentioned, negative at times. AI is very popular but unfortunately was a complete mess this year.
If this defeat kills TAR, looks like football, college hoops, and golf will complete my CBS viewing schedule going forward, period.
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This won't kill TAR. As long as it makes money, they'll keep it. Money talks, EMMY's just look nice on the mantle.
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Was sorta expecting it. The episode was outstanding visually, but the leg didn't have much substance to it (where was the roadblock?). I personally felt Seychelles or France 2 should have been nominated.
Still, 7 consecutive awards is nothing to sneer at.
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Disappointing that TAR didn't win tonight, but if TAR wasn't going to win, at least it was against a classy show[...]
Agreed. I watch Top Chef and this last season was pretty good, actually. So I guess this means WRP should get to work on trying to win their Emmy back.
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Top Chef is classy? :lol: /sourgrapes
TAR has hit a little speedbump. I do think that the prevailing winds of "time to give someone else a chance" played a large role in tonight's upset. The episode submitted was born to be an Emmy nominated episode.
But hopefully eyes will be opened by this...and perhaps TPTB will pay attention to some of the many wonderful suggestions in the "why TAR has lost it's Magic" thread.
We want fabulous spectacular locations, and lots of them.
We want heartstoppingly beautiful visuals.
We want interesting and challenging tasks.
And most of all, we want real people who are dying to be on the show, people who spend weeks and weeks polishing a 3 minute video, people who apply and aren't recruited in an LA bar.
We want people we can bond with, relate to, laugh with (and occasionally at), and cry with when they go too soon.
People who love and appreciate the game... not the notch on their resume.
TAR is a brilliant special wonderful show that has been the source of hours and hours of pleasure and thought provoking moments for all of us here.
I continue to have faith in TAR, and the people who produce it. TAR is more than a statue on the mantle, and the ratings speak for themselves.
TAR IS magic, even if the magic needs a seven year polish.
And anyway, all the BEST winning streaks come in groups of seven...so here is to the next seven!! :wine:
But I'll still take a :hug?: :(
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let's be more positive into this.
having lost an emmy, the producers would now realize how stale the past two seasons were and should do everything it takes to build it even better.
seriously, tar16-5 was a wrong choice of submission. id rather make them submit the tar15 dubai 2 leg, or the tar16 singapore leg.
maybe the judges of this year's emmy paid attention to the dynamics of tar/or are tar fans.
always remember what tina mentioned in s13, that you need to lose (nel penalty) in order to succeed - or something to that extent. this is a wake up call to the producers to make an effort to upgrade the future seasons
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:hug?: here ya go, peach, and I couldnt agree more with everything you said!
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Thanks MT!! Right back at you!!
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Ok peach. This thread can be closed already. :lol: Joking! Nice speech there. :tup:
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:-[
/soapbox
It is just because I love it so....
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I am not a happy camper.
All the uncertain about TAR 18 for the spring (or not) didn't help my mood any over this news. I'm not going to say anything further......
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As one of the few around RFF who consistently watches Top Chef and pretty much is one of few contributors to writing a thread about it, I can say that it is a classy show and the only reality show deserving of in the same league as THE AMAZING RACE. Instead of all this moaning about TAR losing for the first time in 8 years, perhaps a better was to look at it is that both deserved to win and Top Chef, steadily improving through its 7 seasons, did. TAR must get continuously better to continue deserving the Reality Show Competition Emmy.
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I just have to agree with apskip. I really love the Amazing Race but Top Chef is not a bad show. Especially Top Chef Season 6 ( I think this was the one considered for the Emmy) was a really intense season with 3 capable people in the finale. So I do think that Top Chef did deserve this Emmy.
And I think immabe does have a point. By losing this Emmy, the producers of TAR will really start thinking what went wrong and then start improving, making TAR better than it is now. This is only 1 small failure for TAR and hopefully they will do much better next year. :hearts:
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Awwwwwwwwww. Phil got all dressed up!
"I meant to dress up so I got this Paul Smith suit. Look at this lining in here... fancy right? Metro-sexual," said Phil Keoghan, host of "The Amazing Race."
"I wasn't even this dressed up for my own wedding." Keoghan added.
You can see him in the video here:
http://www.cbs2.com/video/?id=141780@kcbs.dayport.com
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As much as I love TAR, I was not surprised that it did not win this year for outstanding reality show. I was more surprised that it had won the previous two years for this same category. I watch Top Chef, Survivor, and Project Runway, and this year all three were better than TAR. And TAR is my favorite! But that being said, I am not blind to the changes TAR has made in its casting trend. I don't care what kind of scenery, off the wall tasks, or u-turns or roadblocks that you can come up with, if the cast is not "interesting" and you can't relate to them from your own life then the show is a complete bust. IMO, CBS execs who control TAR don't have the sense God gave a billy goat. Enough said!
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The episode submitted was born to be an Emmy nominated episode.
What? :ascared
I have to say it was the worst episode. Too gimmicky and out of place. I'm really happy that TAR didn't win any award this time. This is positive, and perhaps a wakeup-call to go back to the good stuff again.
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I wasn't really surprised by the loss.
When Zach from TAR3, who works in the TV industry and has won some Emmys himself, calls episode 5 of TAR16, "One of the weakest episodes we've seen in several seasons," that "This one is not memorable at all," and "It will go down in history as being one of the worst episodes," there's going to be trouble.
I'm just glad that the season responsible for losing the Emmy is one of my all-time least favorites.
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The episode submitted was born to be an Emmy nominated episode.
What? :ascared
I have to say it was the worst episode. Too gimmicky and out of place. I'm really happy that TAR didn't win any award this time. This is positive, and perhaps a wakeup-call to go back to the good stuff again.
:welcome: to RFF, Rotten!
It was birthed by CBS to be an Emmy nom episode, is what I meant. You can tell by the visuals, and the sheer $$$ investment in this ep as compared to others.
As a fan, of course I appreciated that the episode lost something in terms of the race. It was entirely too linear, there was no chance for anyone to really change positions, the UTurn was flawed, and there was no room to recover from it. But I can also appreciate the cinematic scope of this as well.
Losing an Enmmy is never "positive" though. I would hope that yes, TPTB would take heed of some of the concerns that have been raised by even the most die-hard fans. But there is just as much chance that they can just shrug, cut the budget even more, and let TAR fend for itself.
I'd love to read what Zach said, slayton, is it available somewhere?
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Check your PM, georgiapeach.
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The episode submitted was born to be an Emmy nominated episode.
What? :ascared
I have to say it was the worst episode. Too gimmicky and out of place. I'm really happy that TAR didn't win any award this time. This is positive, and perhaps a wakeup-call to go back to the good stuff again.
:welcome: to RFF, Rotten!
It was birthed by CBS to be an Emmy nom episode, is what I meant. You can tell by the visuals, and the sheer $$$ investment in this ep as compared to others.
As a fan, of course I appreciated that the episode lost something in terms of the race. It was entirely too linear, there was no chance for anyone to really change positions, the UTurn was flawed, and there was no room to recover from it. But I can also appreciate the cinematic scope of this as well.
Losing an Enmmy is never "positive" though. I would hope that yes, TPTB would take heed of some of the concerns that have been raised by even the most die-hard fans. But there is just as much chance that they can just shrug, cut the budget even more, and let TAR fend for itself.
I'd love to read what Zach said, slayton, is it available somewhere?
Are visuals that important? I would think leg design trumps all, which TAR 16 Leg 5 lacked.
I still hold that TAR 16 Leg 7 should have been nominated. A beautiful destination, some fascinating tasks, helicopter/boat rides.
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The episode submitted was born to be an Emmy nominated episode.
What? :ascared
I have to say it was the worst episode. Too gimmicky and out of place. I'm really happy that TAR didn't win any award this time. This is positive, and perhaps a wakeup-call to go back to the good stuff again.
:welcome: to RFF, Rotten!
It was birthed by CBS to be an Emmy nom episode, is what I meant. You can tell by the visuals, and the sheer $$$ investment in this ep as compared to others.
As a fan, of course I appreciated that the episode lost something in terms of the race. It was entirely too linear, there was no chance for anyone to really change positions, the UTurn was flawed, and there was no room to recover from it. But I can also appreciate the cinematic scope of this as well.
Losing an Enmmy is never "positive" though. I would hope that yes, TPTB would take heed of some of the concerns that have been raised by even the most die-hard fans. But there is just as much chance that they can just shrug, cut the budget even more, and let TAR fend for itself.
I'd love to read what Zach said, slayton, is it available somewhere?
Are visuals that important? I would think leg design trumps all, which TAR 16 Leg 5 lacked.
I still hold that TAR 16 Leg 7 should have been nominated. A beautiful destination, some fascinating tasks, helicopter/boat rides.
Reality-Competition shows do not have the same format of course. American Idol doesn't have any Roadblocks. So I guess, visuals are really important. But I'm not saying they are the basis: I agree that the design of how the show should make its impact to the viewers is also important.
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what most people are probably annoyed of is that the last two seasons didn't focus more on how "magical" the race should be. like, why in the world go to sweden to ride amusement park rides? why in the world go to dubai and slide down a water slide? those things we can do in a closer proximity to our homes. what tar must now focus on is to bring culture back, which was lost since then.
if they really wanted an emmy win, they should have submitted the japan leg of s15 and extended the whole thing to a single leg. considering they had a two hour premiere.
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Top Chef is classy? :lol: /sourgrapes
TAR has hit a little speedbump. I do think that the prevailing winds of "time to give someone else a chance" played a large role in tonight's upset. The episode submitted was born to be an Emmy nominated episode.
But hopefully eyes will be opened by this...and perhaps TPTB will pay attention to some of the many wonderful suggestions in the "why TAR has lost it's Magic" thread.
We want fabulous spectacular locations, and lots of them.
We want heartstoppingly beautiful visuals.
We want interesting and challenging tasks.
And most of all, we want real people who are dying to be on the show, people who spend weeks and weeks polishing a 3 minute video, people who apply and aren't recruited in an LA bar.
We want people we can bond with, relate to, laugh with (and occasionally at), and cry with when they go too soon.
People who love and appreciate the game... not the notch on their resume.
TAR is a brilliant special wonderful show that has been the source of hours and hours of pleasure and thought provoking moments for all of us here.
I continue to have faith in TAR, and the people who produce it. TAR is more than a statue on the mantle, and the ratings speak for themselves.
TAR IS magic, even if the magic needs a seven year polish.
And anyway, all the BEST winning streaks come in groups of seven...so here is to the next seven!! :wine:
Oh, I absolutely agree. Hear, hear!
And I have to say that, just like Caelestor, I was kind of expecting it. I am anxious to see what will happen in the next year for TAR. I think there is a good chance of it improving (at least TAR 18. 17 doesn't have much time left for improvements).
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We already know that 17 is jam packed with semi-celebs again. Unless TAR has pulled a rabbit out of its buhunkous and has created some really outstanding tasks in some really outstanding locales, which I hope it has, then we are in for another ho hum season. Alot of "primping" in front of the camera by the semi-celebs. This WILL NOT win an Emmy. And if 18 ends up being "a celebrity" edition, then I doubt very seriously if that will win an Emmy. Of course I could be wrong and I probably am. Tinsel town folks seem to believe that they are what we should emulate. They stick together in their own little clique and do favors for their own. Hence the decrease in the "average Joes". If TAR continues down this road to ruin, there will be no more Emmys and will be regulated to the TV land channel of reruns.
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^^^^^^^^^^^
buhunkous?
Is that a house where rabbits live?
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Pneu, It means "rear end". A word I made up. I have my own vocabulary and euphemisms to describe what I am trying to say. For example: "It's cold enough to freeze a polar baar" (It's pretty darn cold). or "It's hotter than a cat's tail in heat". (It's pretty darn hot). My sons' favorite sentence to describe me is, "Mom, you're not normal". It's an affectionate term, you know! :<). I know Peach, I know. I am off topic, soooooooooo ----TAR needs to get its buhunkous in gear and give us an Emmy winning season for 17. I've got my legs crossed for protection, just in case they don't.