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Title: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 03, 2010, 11:04:11 PM
credit to Evan for the title!
Press: (thanks wp!)
04.26.2010 THE RACE INTENSIFIES AND TEAMS SCRAMBLE TO MAKE THE FINAL 3, ENSURING A SHOT AT THE MILLION DOLLAR PRIZE, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," SUNDAY, MAY 2
"They Don't Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai) - The Final 4 teams struggle with the language barrier in Shanghai while sorting through hundreds of golden Buddhas and thousands of Chinese stamps in their pursuit for a spot in the Final 3, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, May 2 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Phil Keoghan is host.
From woden's Timeline, post 1:
EP11: Shanghai, China EVIDENCE: Photo evidence of pit stop, crew spotted returning to SFO from Shanghai
Air Date: MAY 2
Film Date: DEC 19
Route: EVIDENCE: Local insider
ROUTE MARKER: Counting golden buddhas at LongHua Temple SPEED BUMP: "coin Toss" at Long Hua Temple Unknown task: counting Chinese Stamps ROADBLOCK: “High fashion” at Tian Zi Fang>>moved to episode 10
DETOUR: Pork Chops or Dumplings at Bridge of the Nine Turns (YuYuan Garden)
PIT STOP: Riverside Promenade on Pudong side of Lujiazui River (Greeter: Bao Xishun); teams arriving in evening (apx 8pm) EVIDENCE: Blogger who witnessed pit stop
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode: Jet & Cord (Finish first on this leg, spotted in SFO) Dan & Jordan (Spotted in SFO) Brent & Caite (Spotted in SFO)
Eliminated: Mike & Louis
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don't Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 03, 2010, 11:04:34 PM
Work in progress! Will be updated as we know more.
Pictures are thumbnails, click-click to enlarge. Items in red can be clicked for further info.
HUGE thanks to our insider local and to swoonist and to Slowhatch for the original swoonist blog find!!
Teams remain in Shanghai following a 12 hour Pitstop.
PitStart: Shanghai Science and Technology Museum (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/Shanghai/th_TAR16ep10ShanghaiScienceandTechMuse.jpg) (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/Shanghai/TAR16ep10ShanghaiScienceandTechMuse.jpg)
Teams should be released in the order of their arrival: Cowboys, Models, Brothers, and then Cops.
Teams travel by taxi to the Route Marker:
Long Hua Temple (http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shanghai/longhua.htm)
Longhua Temple (Chinese: 龙华寺; pinyin: Lónghúa Sì, literally "Lustre of the Dragon Temple") is a Buddhist Temple dedicated to the Maitreya Buddha located in Shanghai, China. Although most of the present-day buildings date from later reconstructions, the temple preserves the architectural design of a Song Dynasty monastery of the Buddhist Chan sect. It is the largest, most authentic and complete ancient temple complex in the city of Shanghai. (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/Shanghai/th_TAR16ep11LonghuaTemple.jpg) (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/Shanghai/TAR16ep11LonghuaTemple.jpg)
Task: Count the Golden Buddhas (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/Shanghai/th_TAR16ep11templebuddhas.jpg) (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/Shanghai/TAR16ep11templebuddhas.jpg)
SpeedBump: "Coin Toss"
(pure spec here, inspired by memories of TAR 2 and Dan's recent game video:} Would be fun if we saw something like this?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 (no title yet) (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on April 18, 2010, 06:55:18 AM
episode named: They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language
credits: cbs press express
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 (no title yet) (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Cocoa on April 18, 2010, 07:09:15 AM
Shesh... Shanghai is more than 600 miles from Beijing. Jamie and Cara were not THAT lost.
I think uycocoa was referring to the title...like how Jaime and Cara were complaining how no one understood them and how they struggled with the language barrier.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 (no title yet) (Shanghai 2)
Post by: jerseydude on April 19, 2010, 07:57:32 AM
Sounds like Brent to me... like his "I quit" in Seychelles.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 (no title yet) (Shanghai 2)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 19, 2010, 07:58:39 PM
Shesh... Shanghai is more than 600 miles from Beijing. Jamie and Cara were not THAT lost.
I think uycocoa was referring to the title...like how Jaime and Cara were complaining how no one understood them and how they struggled with the language barrier.
I know, I was just teasing him and Belle Brook.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: everbloom on April 19, 2010, 11:19:32 PM
I don't think many people will be complaining about the speed bump now... it's definitely much harder than serving tea. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: serendipity on April 20, 2010, 12:44:51 PM
The title suggests a situation like when a team does not know the place, they ask some local to give direction to their taxi driver but still they end up getting lost.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: cosmophobia on April 20, 2010, 04:31:04 PM
The title reminds me of Rebecca's test of the language barrier to a taxi driver ("He has 3 testicles!!" [To Adam])
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 25, 2010, 04:54:25 PM
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: slayton on April 25, 2010, 05:43:02 PM
I wouldn't be surprised by any of the four teams saying it, but I'm going to guess Dan & Jordan for the title quote because they were the ones who criticized the people of France for not speaking English to their liking.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: puddin on April 25, 2010, 08:10:55 PM
:lol: hmmmm... appears that "The Boyz" are in Shanghai's Century Park running towards the Space Science Museum... Huh!?! :duno:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 26, 2010, 01:13:49 AM
That was a great job spotting that!! I had no idea where that aisle of flags was....
Now, to figure out why?? ???
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 26, 2010, 01:59:19 AM
Yeah, but I don't exactly know what so good luck about the coin toss... I mean, off topic here, but didn't Joe & Bill won it, and ended up like a LONG way behind the other teams?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Coutzy on April 26, 2010, 04:27:13 AM
Yeah, but I don't exactly know what so good luck about the coin toss... I mean, off topic here, but didn't Joe & Bill won it, and ended up like a LONG way behind the other teams?
That was their fault. Instead of heading for the Pit Stop, the decided to "Sip ice tea in air conditioned splendor."
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Lutpay on April 26, 2010, 04:29:31 AM
however the challenge will be, obviously, must Caite who do the roadblock challenge :tup:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 26, 2010, 05:38:52 AM
Yeah, but I don't exactly know what so good luck about the coin toss... I mean, off topic here, but didn't Joe & Bill won it, and ended up like a LONG way behind the other teams?
That was their fault. Instead of heading for the Pit Stop, the decided to "Sip ice tea in air conditioned splendor."
Yeah. And ****, I wish Nancy & Emily would have just done the detour. I hate the Guidos...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 26, 2010, 08:03:17 AM
Well, they stole our RB (Fashion) from this ep :lol: and put it into episode 10, so y'all be alert for footage that hints at a new one!
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Boingo on April 26, 2010, 09:35:12 AM
:lol: Looks like The Boyz have a meltdown on the Pudong side of the river near Lujiazui Park. :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 26, 2010, 10:06:40 AM
Oh yay!! My missing place!
I'm thinking the ROUTE MARKER: in Lu Zia Zui Park in Pudong scheduled for episode 10 could turn into our RB for episode 11....
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Boingo on April 26, 2010, 12:13:08 PM
:lol3: thought for a minute the backdrop for the Shanghai leg 2 pitstop was the historic "Hongkong & Shanghai Banking Co." (HSBC) building next to the Customs House... :lol: turns out it's a non-descript "look-a-like" building on the Bund. :res: carry on.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Hooky on April 26, 2010, 01:38:47 PM
Interesting...another Detour clue at Yu Yuan Gardens. Yet another Season 6 location revisit?
We've had Bogs Gard farm (TAR 15), Kamaka Air (TAR 11), and now Yu Yuan Garden (TAR 16), all being revisited. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: walkingpneumonia on April 26, 2010, 03:25:31 PM
Did we know about stamps? :duno:
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04.26.2010 THE RACE INTENSIFIES AND TEAMS SCRAMBLE TO MAKE THE FINAL 3, ENSURING A SHOT AT THE MILLION DOLLAR PRIZE, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," SUNDAY, MAY 2
"They Don't Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai) - The Final 4 teams struggle with the language barrier in Shanghai while sorting through hundreds of golden Buddhas and thousands of Chinese stamps in their pursuit for a spot in the Final 3, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, May 2 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Phil Keoghan is host.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 26, 2010, 03:42:42 PM
No! :jumpy: Maybe that is our missing RB??
Chinese stamps as in stamps or chops?? ???
:<3
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: puddin on April 26, 2010, 03:55:42 PM
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 26, 2010, 04:03:22 PM
Oh thank you puddin!! :jumpy:
Wow, they don't even care about spoiling the finale city anymore? :o
:snicker: :snicker: :snicker:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: slayton on April 26, 2010, 05:27:06 PM
From the episode preview, it looks like Brent & Caite and Dan & Jordan will assume the roles of the Ugly Americans for TAR16.
After seeing the picture of her pulling her eyes back like Miley Cyrus and the Spanish basketball team, I'm not surprised by Caite mocking the way people speak English in Shanghai.
The context in which Dan spazzes out and throws a temper tantrum should be interesting.
From the preview, it looks like the taxi that they're following is already running a red light. I guess that their driver doesn't want to risk running a red light, which makes Dan throw a tantrum, tell Jordan that they're getting out of their taxi, and talk about committing physical violence.
I'm interested to see in what context the "stupid" comment is made. The tantrum itself looks ugly enough, however, if it's not that bad but Dan & Jordan start hurling insults at locals, even taxi drivers, then they will definitely be in my short list of Ugliest American teams in TAR history.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 26, 2010, 05:37:47 PM
I was wondering WHY it was so important to follow that taxi? If it just a matter of keeping up with another team, that might be an over reaction. But suppose it was something like TAR 2's "follow that plane" ?? ???
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: slayton on April 26, 2010, 07:10:35 PM
I don't have access to episode 10 right now. Did Dan & Jordan tell their taxi driver to follow Louie & Michael's taxi after the fashion task?
Following other teams could just be what they do.
I wouldn't expect a non-Mandarin speaking team to be able to remember where to go in Shanghai if they ended up pulling a Tara & Wil. I think they would be DOA if that happened.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 26, 2010, 07:21:06 PM
I was wondering WHY it was so important to follow that taxi? If it just a matter of keeping up with another team, that might be an over reaction. But suppose it was something like TAR 2's "follow that plane" ?? ???
Okay, I've been dead wrong for quite a long time, so I'm pretty careful with what I say here. Maybe we're taking it totally out of context. I'm thinking that Dan is totally stressed as a result of doing a task, which has put them again at the back of the pack, and as a result, he acts out the stress on the taxi driver??
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: theschnauzers on April 26, 2010, 07:40:48 PM
Just keep in mind the penchant for editing misdirection in the previews.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: The Queen V on April 27, 2010, 09:40:41 AM
i just want to ask that how did phil and the greeter appeared to be stepping into the boat during the pitstop spoiler while the picture shows them standing in the bayside above?
thx.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: RealityFreakWill on April 27, 2010, 10:46:49 AM
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: nathyn on April 27, 2010, 11:10:53 AM
I think Brent says the title.
My guess is that someone is speaking Mandarin or Cantonese and the listener speaks the other language. Shanghi is primarily a Cantonese city as opposed to Beijing which speaks mostly Mandarin. Although most people tend to be able to speak and understand both to some degree, there are still a large number of residents who only speak one or the the other.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: chill_sd on April 27, 2010, 04:59:17 PM
Today's new promo:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: chill_sd on April 27, 2010, 05:01:36 PM
We see Caite with the Golden Buddhas, but I thought that was the Speed Bump?
:duno:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Caelestor on April 27, 2010, 05:29:15 PM
Motorcycles! :hearts:
What are the binoculars for again?
Finally, is it possible that the counting Buddhas task is actually a roadblock?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: chill_sd on April 27, 2010, 05:54:29 PM
We only see Michael with the binoculars, so maybe that's part of the Speed Bump.
Or maybe he's just looking for Phil. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 27, 2010, 07:00:28 PM
Leg 1's order originally included
Noodles RB>>
Travel by taxi to "Escalade Build" at PuDong (changed from Da Ning Park)
Then travel by motorcycle sidecar (changed to subway} to Stadium.
We saw none of that in leg 1, so my guess is that this has been transposed to a leg 2 task, perhaps the RB??
If you'll take a look at post #2 in this thread it is all there.
And no, Golden Buddhas is supposed to be a Route Marker, "Coin Toss" is the SpeedBump, again...take a look at the summary in post #2.
I will work on the screen caps as soon as I can, just got home, thanks for the video chills!!
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: slayton on April 27, 2010, 08:05:06 PM
Thanks for the new promo, chill_sd.
It looks like Dan & Jordan are going to freak out more than the first preview indicated.
I wonder why Dan ends up almost wrapping himself around the taxi driver's shield. I can't believe that he would actually try to hit him.
It looks very interesting.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 27, 2010, 08:13:42 PM
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 27, 2010, 08:20:13 PM
The Golden Buddhas are here, as should be the SpeedBump:
Long Hua Temple (http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shanghai/longhua.htm)
Longhua Temple (Chinese: 龙华寺; pinyin: Lónghúa Sì, literally "Lustre of the Dragon Temple") is a Buddhist Temple dedicated to the Maitreya Buddha located in Shanghai, China. Although most of the present-day buildings date from later reconstructions, the temple preserves the architectural design of a Song Dynasty monastery of the Buddhist Chan sect. It is the largest, most authentic and complete ancient temple complex in the city of Shanghai. (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/Shanghai/th_TAR16ep11LonghuaTemple.jpg) (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/Shanghai/TAR16ep11LonghuaTemple.jpg)
Task: Count the Golden Buddhas (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/Shanghai/th_TAR16ep11templebuddhas.jpg) (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/Shanghai/TAR16ep11templebuddhas.jpg)
SpeedBump: "Coin Toss"
But if anyone could help pinpoint any of the other locations it would be great!!
Speculated locations in post #2, but actual spots would be fabulous!! :jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: slayton on April 27, 2010, 08:58:02 PM
Thanks for the screencaps, georgiapeach.
From the "Language Barrier" footage, Dan & Jordan and Louie & Michael are together so there might be a bunch point somewhere.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Slowhatch on April 27, 2010, 09:01:05 PM
The cowboys can be seen walking the same path/collonade that Boingo mentioned, and the Pious bros. can be seen at the western end of the pitstop complex trying to hail a cab (source (http://sh.city8.com/panosearch-pid3206243_FVY9-ptz205_9_52-ctps-sn_city8.html)).
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Zack. on April 27, 2010, 09:06:27 PM
Jordan/Dan checked in in daylight, and now they're leaving in daylight. Sunset in Shanghai is 4:54 PM on Dec 18. It looks like we've got an extended Pit Stop - definitely less than 24 hours as Mike/Louie are racing in daylight also, but probably in the 14-18 hour range (For reference, sunrise on the 19th was 6:48 AM).
eta: Dan gets the location of the clue for the stadium RB at 3:05 PM. Add 40 minutes (generously) for running through the stadium and going to the museum, they check in around 3:45. So I'm thinking we've got a 15-16 hour pit stop.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Boingo on April 27, 2010, 09:33:06 PM
:lol: Oh wow! Google just updated the Google Earth pictures of Shanghai (Pudong and The Bund) with nice sharp pix today... too bad they picked the wrong time of day, however... the long shadows block most of the clearer pix. :groan: carry on.... :res:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 27, 2010, 09:49:00 PM
I just found this on Flickr...still not sure exactly what it involves, but I think we can say that that area is pretty much exactly where Michael is? Longhua Temple SpeedBump.
And no, Golden Buddhas is supposed to be a Route Marker, "Coin Toss" is the SpeedBump, again...take a look at the summary in post #2.
OK, got it. I was going by the original spoiler which by now has been pretty much discredited, and mysteriously deleted. I was wondering where all the "escalade" and "coin toss" spoilers were coming from, now I know, secret sources.
And for the record, Coin Toss will not be a Switchback, since it was a Fast Forward in Season One, not a Speed Bump.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Slowhatch on April 28, 2010, 04:14:15 PM
The building behind Mike looks like the Pudong govt building (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/247797), just opposite of the science museum. So a couple of guesses:
D/J went the wrong way and had to double back
The teams had to find something nearby before starting out
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: gingerman28 on April 28, 2010, 09:37:13 PM
All four final teams were spotted in San Francisco. So one of these teams must be the decoy team. We have been assuming that it was the cops, but perhaps it was instead Dan and Jordan. The latest cbs promo has Michael and Louie saying "will be eliminated" after the voice over says "Four teams, one..." Is this misdirection on CBS part? A local source said that Dan and Jordan were spotted coming out of customs 30 minutes ahead of the others. This doesn't make sense since the producers have always held everyone up in customs/immigration so that they start off evenly matched. Unless the team coming out far ahead of the others is a decoy team which has been sent out ahead.
Just speculation since it is not clear by the source which of the two male/male teams was actually seen coming in last at the Shanghai pit stop.
And what about the stamp task. Any idea where that fits?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: spolarium on April 28, 2010, 10:07:57 PM
All four final teams were spotted in San Francisco. So one of these teams must be the decoy team. We have been assuming that it was the cops, but perhaps it was instead Dan and Jordan. The latest cbs promo has Michael and Louie saying "will be eliminated" after the voice over says "Four teams, one..." Is this misdirection on CBS part? A local source said that Dan and Jordan were spotted coming out of customs 30 minutes ahead of the others. This doesn't make sense since the producers have always held everyone up in customs/immigration so that they start off evenly matched. Unless the team coming out far ahead of the others is a decoy team which has been sent out ahead.
Just speculation since it is not clear by the source which of the two male/male teams was actually seen coming in last at the Shanghai pit stop.
And what about the stamp task. Any idea where that fits?
Whoa G-man...let me see if I can clear up some misconceptions there.
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All four final teams were spotted in San Francisco. So one of these teams must be the decoy team.
TRUE
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We have been assuming that it was the cops, but perhaps it was instead Dan and Jordan.
No. The Cops were spotted in the airport clearly hanging around with production. They ARE our decoys.
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This doesn't make sense since the producers have always held everyone up in customs/immigration so that they start off evenly matched.
I have recently discussed this very question with former final three racers. Apparently, NONE of them were ever held up on the final leg to start them evenly matched. I specifically asked about delays due to camera hold ups clearing customs or whatever...but according to the people I asked, there were no "bunching delays" at custons on the final leg. If your camera guys had trouble...too bad.
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since it is not clear by the source which of the two male/male teams was actually seen coming in last at the Shanghai pit stop
We have two totally separate sources who happened to both be at the Pitstop mat in Shanghai leg 2. Both of them have independently confirmed that Mike and Louie were eliminated there. We have photo/exif data supporting that as well. There WAS initial confusion from one source as to which pair of brothers came in next to last...the Cowboys or the Brothers. That team was hatless, and was later positively identified as Dan and Jordan.
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And what about the stamp task. Any idea where that fits?
Not so far! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Slowhatch on April 29, 2010, 01:04:52 AM
It could be postage stamps; another possibility is the name stamps called chops (http://jackiechankids.com/files/Chop.htm).
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Ruth on April 29, 2010, 05:35:32 AM
Seeing that Phil said that... "Oh, my gravy" and what he said about just when we think we have it all worked out... I'm guessing an unexpected team wins. Oh my, not Brent and Caite please! Geez.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: chill_sd on April 29, 2010, 09:03:44 AM
Oh, my gravy is not part of Phil's quote. It's part of the TV Guide writers text.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: everbloom on April 29, 2010, 10:22:04 AM
I think the "Oh my gravy" thing is an allusion to something surprising happening since the cowboys are the near-overwhelming favorites for winning. Oh my god I suddenly want the finale already! I pray these last two legs beat last season's!
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 29, 2010, 10:02:46 PM
Recap/Preview:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 (no title yet) (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Paron on April 30, 2010, 01:48:15 AM
Shesh... Shanghai is more than 600 miles from Beijing. Jamie and Cara were not THAT lost.
I think uycocoa was referring to the title...like how Jaime and Cara were complaining how no one understood them and how they struggled with the language barrier.
Only Jaime did. Not Cara.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Paron on April 30, 2010, 01:51:15 AM
I think the "Oh my gravy" thing is an allusion to something surprising happening since the cowboys are the near-overwhelming favorites for winning. Oh my god I suddenly want the finale already! I pray these last two legs beat last season's!
Nah. I think Jet & Cord just make up the time lost by the customs snafu.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 30, 2010, 01:42:56 PM
There should be a new Twitter promo out later today...if someone can snag it, I'll do screencaps as soon as I get home, prob after 8... :tup:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: chill_sd on April 30, 2010, 06:26:20 PM
Here's the TwitVid:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Caelestor on April 30, 2010, 07:08:00 PM
I know the fatigue is really kicking in, but the brothers need to :chillpill:.
I'm surprised the cops made up the time.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: slayton on April 30, 2010, 07:11:39 PM
I finally had the time to download and re-watch episode 10.
Dan & Jordan do tell their taxi driver "That cab. That cab. Follow that car." after the fashion task. It comes right after Louie & Michael make their "crackhead" comment.
Following other teams must be their style.
Unless a team is caught in a shakedown like Andre & Damon, I've always found it to be unacceptable to berate taxi drivers. I don't care if it's a Tara & Wil situation, "killer fatigue," etc.
There have been plenty of teams in do-or-die situations that have kept their composure this far into the race.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: DeafRacer on April 30, 2010, 07:30:11 PM
I finally had the time to download and re-watch episode 10.
Dan & Jordan do tell their taxi driver "That cab. That cab. Follow that car." after the fashion task. It comes right after Louie & Michael make their "crackhead" comment.
Following other teams must be their style.
Unless a team is caught in a shakedown like Andre & Damon, I've always found it to be unacceptable to berate taxi drivers. I don't care if it's a Tara & Wil situation, "killer fatigue," etc.
There have been plenty of teams in do-or-die situations that have kept their composure this far into the race.
It's easy for you to say about Dan since you never got to race. I totally understand how Dan feels. The communication barrier in China was so incredibly difficult for my mom and I. Esp. when it comes down to do it or die battle for a berth in the Final Three after coming this sooooo far. Nobody wants to be eliminated right before the Final Three showdown. There were times where I want to strangle cab drivers in China for not understanding where we need to go esp. when we were searching for U-Turn for 2 hours! And, not forget about lack of sleep and food... I'm sure Dan didn't intend to blow up on his cab driver. It's just such a crucial time to not make a single mistake of going in the Final Three.
Poor Dan :(
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: mswood on April 30, 2010, 08:15:33 PM
When I was younger we had a 8 week choir tour through Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, and China. We were bused and shuttled, dealt (to a much smaller degree) jet lag, lack of sleep, hunger, and by the end of that 8 weeks every single one of us were showing the worst side of our behavior. And this is with far, far less stress then what the race puts on racers (and the stress racers put upon themselves).
Now if this outburst is typical behavior from Dan, then I wouldn't want anything to do with him. But if this is a one time explosion he has (and so far we have seen no evidence of Dan having a temper, really at all), then its unfortunate, my sympathies to the local and hopefully Dan feels bad for his behavior (as we all should when we over react, and I doubt there are many of us who can say we never have).
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: slayton on April 30, 2010, 08:57:57 PM
Luke, I always compare situations like Dan & Jordan's to Kevin & Drew racing Joe & Bill for the last final-3 spot in Beijing.
As guests in China, even under such extreme stress, Joe & Bill made the effort to make sure that their taxi driver understood where they wanted to go, by having guidebooks and a Chinese-English dictionary, and telling him that they wanted to go to the "South Gate" in Mandarin.
Kevin & Drew weren't happy that their taxi driver let Joe & Bill get ahead of them in the race to the Pit-stop, but they never showed them berating him.
In the clip, Dan & Jordan criticized their taxi driver for not understanding "follow" and they yelled at him for not running a red light.
Expecting someone in another country to understand English, and to break the law for you, is the epitome of Ugly Americanism.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: mswood on April 30, 2010, 09:10:31 PM
Slayton
I can't speak for luke,but I don't think anyone is going to argue that it is ugly behavior. My point is that, one instance doesn't reflect how a person normally behaves. We have had racers who yell at locals (or demean them all the time. That personally bothers me a lot more, then what so far as been a single instance.
After going through every season with a fine tooth comb, I don't think there has been a racer (to make it near the end) who hasn't at one point of another lost their temper. Be it with a local, a service personell, with fellow racers, or with their team mate.
I mean look at Danny & Oswald two racers who are considered extremely friendly to locals, they have insulted cab drivers, told them they can't speak their own language and threatened to kill one. All in one leg. Was it ****ty behavior, of course it was. But was that instance something that really reflected how they normally treat others?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: spolarium on April 30, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
are they on there way to the pitstop????
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 30, 2010, 11:02:28 PM
sorry, emergency at work, just got home. Screencaps in a bit, maybe we can figure out where they are going??
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: spolarium on April 30, 2010, 11:59:53 PM
sad .. i like it when phil says "louie dont make me eliminate you" ..
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: spolarium on May 01, 2010, 01:23:24 AM
i don't want the cowboys to win. i like them but i dont want them to win. i don't wanna see another meagan and cheyne..
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: spolarium on May 01, 2010, 01:30:10 AM
how many are jet's children ?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Zack. on May 01, 2010, 02:03:48 AM
I'm certain the first Louie/Michael cap is outside the entrance to the Science & Technology Museum. Either Dan/Jordan weren't very far ahead (ie they checked in right before sunset), or there's an initial task/taxi drama that slows Dan/Jordan down.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: slayton on May 01, 2010, 05:54:36 PM
I can't speak for luke,but I don't think anyone is going to argue that it is ugly behavior. My point is that, one instance doesn't reflect how a person normally behaves. We have had racers who yell at locals (or demean them all the time. That personally bothers me a lot more, then what so far as been a single instance.
After going through every season with a fine tooth comb, I don't think there has been a racer (to make it near the end) who hasn't at one point of another lost their temper. Be it with a local, a service personell, with fellow racers, or with their team mate.
I mean look at Danny & Oswald two racers who are considered extremely friendly to locals, they have insulted cab drivers, told them they can't speak their own language and threatened to kill one. All in one leg. Was it ****ty behavior, of course it was. But was that instance something that really reflected how they normally treat others?
I'm not going to say that Dan & Jordan are part of the pantheon of "Ugly American" racers until I see the whole episode, but Dan, in episode 6 in France, was also the one who said, "People really do not speak good English here."
I will re-watch that Macau episode from TAR11 and pay close attention to Oswald & Danny. I don't remember them being that bad in that episode, but they'll definitely take a tumble as my all-time favorite team if it's as bad as you say it is.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on May 01, 2010, 08:46:44 PM
I don't think any of us who haven't run the race have ANY idea how tough it really is. While I would hope I would be upbeat and appreciative, I know that I would be sure to have my moments of frustration and impatience..
I certainly am not going to disparage a racer who has been repeatedly supportive of his partner, and positive in his outlook, for one brief moment in the whole race. Especially when that racer has made no bones about the fact that he doesn't travel well. I give him great credit for all the good moments instead!
I think the editors needed some drama this week...and one taxi meltdown is all they have. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Paron on May 01, 2010, 09:30:40 PM
I don't think any of us who haven't run the race have ANY idea how tough it really is. While I would hope I would be upbeat and appreciative, I know that I would be sure to have my moments of frustration and impatience..
I certainly am not going to disparage a racer who has been repeatedly supportive of his partner, and positive in his outlook, for one brief moment in the whole race. Especially when that racer has made no bones about the fact that he doesn't travel well. I give him great credit for all the good moments instead!
I think the editors needed some drama this week...and one taxi meltdown is all they have. :lol:
I wonder if this is to make up for the lack of drama-rama in the previous Shanghai episode.... esp after that B/C vs B/C drama in Singapore (OMG! just realised that BOTH their teams have the same shortened acronym! :ascared is that y Caite doesn't like the team? XD)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: spolarium on May 02, 2010, 03:07:05 AM
sad .. i like it when Phil says "Louie dint make me eliminate you" ..
You're sad?! They've been douches all race long, and you're SAD they're leaving?!
Shush. Am I EVER glad I don't hang around here regularly.
I'm kinda sad because the amazing race is again boarding. i dint mind the detectives being eliminated I just sympathizing on georgiapeach :Lol: I like the lesbians more than them.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: RealityFreakWill on May 02, 2010, 11:06:33 AM
CBS posted a new twitvid....Caite gets short with Brent
Perhaps Peach can screencap this.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: kwando1313 on May 02, 2010, 12:55:19 PM
Seems that this is a detour option... I mean, why else would they switch?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: chill_sd on May 02, 2010, 01:24:49 PM
Yes, that appears to be the "Chops" side of the detour.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on May 02, 2010, 03:46:31 PM
I am still at work and can't see the vid or screencap from here. Will love doing it IF I get home in time, which is NOT looking good. :meow:
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Post by: Boingo on May 02, 2010, 06:26:10 PM
Yes, that appears to be the "Chops" side of the detour.
:lol: While Shanghai has lots of shopping venues, the stamps/chops most likely take place at the famous Nanjing Road (Nanjing Lu) East location. :snicker:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: mswood on May 02, 2010, 06:36:10 PM
I can't speak for luke,but I don't think anyone is going to argue that it is ugly behavior. My point is that, one instance doesn't reflect how a person normally behaves. We have had racers who yell at locals (or demean them all the time. That personally bothers me a lot more, then what so far as been a single instance.
After going through every season with a fine tooth comb, I don't think there has been a racer (to make it near the end) who hasn't at one point of another lost their temper. Be it with a local, a service personell, with fellow racers, or with their team mate.
I mean look at Danny & Oswald two racers who are considered extremely friendly to locals, they have insulted cab drivers, told them they can't speak their own language and threatened to kill one. All in one leg. Was it ****ty behavior, of course it was. But was that instance something that really reflected how they normally treat others?
I'm not going to say that Dan & Jordan are part of the pantheon of "Ugly American" racers until I see the whole episode, but Dan, in episode 6 in France, was also the one who said, "People really do not speak good English here."
I will re-watch that Macau episode from TAR11 and pay close attention to Oswald & Danny. I don't remember them being that bad in that episode, but they'll definitely take a tumble as my all-time favorite team if it's as bad as you say it is.
Making a statement that people (the ones they have encountered) don't speak good english here isn't offense, or ugly behavior. Its just a statement. Making a statement expecting people to speak your language is. Or complaining about how people don't speak or understand your english is ugly. But just pointing out that people's english isn't good, isn't.
I mean when I have had people from other countries with me in the US and they have stated that my command of their language isn't that great. It's just a statement. They didn't mean it as I should speak their language better.
And that is the heart of that type of issue.
If you think Dan and Jordan's intent in that scene was that people should speak better english then its ugly behavior (and we have had many, many racers over the years make comments about people needing to speak English). But if its dan and Jordan just talking about someone's ability without them having the expectation of them speaking perfect english, then there is nothing wrong with it.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: mswood on May 02, 2010, 06:40:44 PM
sad .. i like it when phil says "louie dont make me eliminate you" ..
You're sad?! They've been douches all race long, and you're SAD they're leaving?!
Sheesh. Am I EVER glad I don't hang around here regularly.
Well it all depends people watch the show for many varied reasons. And I am not a big fan of Louie & Mike. But I do like that they work well together, that they so far have always treated each other with respect. And while they have manipulated others, they are allowed. We haven't seen them in general being rude to locals or service personnel. Their worst behavior is being cocky in about 4 episodes, and using Brent & Caite and Carol & Brandy's feud to engineer their being seen as a target instead of themselves (which is actually fairly smart). Besides that we haven't seen any other bad behavior in their day to day relations to other racers. Even with Joe & Heidi they were civil.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Boingo on May 02, 2010, 06:46:29 PM
:lol3: you don't have to go all the way to Shanghai to get your seal/name chop.... :lol: there's a shop in Shanghai with an eBay listing... :colors :neener:
Shanghai Ebay chops (http://cgi.ebay.com/Custom-Seal-Carving-Name-Chop-Chinese-God-Longevity-/350170866598) link
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on May 02, 2010, 06:58:15 PM
omgosh!! More million dollar pee drama! :lol3:
Don't think this needs capping, we know they were seen on Nanking road...
Nice to get a late twit...hmmmm?? The first late breaking one we have had. At least we know the Cowboys and Models were neck and neck at this point!!
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: DianeC on May 02, 2010, 11:05:36 PM
Why did Brent ask Caite to go to the bathroom with him? Is that a rule of the game to not do the task alone or be in a certain footage of each other?
I have never seen that before! :duno:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: Caelestor on May 02, 2010, 11:08:01 PM
I believe there is a rule that all team members must be 40 meters within each other except in certain tasks to ensure they both get filmed.
40m is like 120 feet. Thats crazy.........its more like 20-25ft.........or 7-8 meters.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: georgiapeach on May 03, 2010, 10:04:25 AM
I think it is 25 feet?? Maybe Luke can tell us?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: walkingpneumonia on May 03, 2010, 04:19:53 PM
Some interesting timings from the exif data from CBS's photos... All times are from the camera, which is set to -05:00, I haven't corrected the times to local time... Caite is counting statues at the roadblock around 19:13 Caite is still counting at 20:48 Jet and Cord arrive at the statue counting roadblock at 21:02 - somehow Brent and Caite had an almost 2hr advantage, yet they finish counting at the same time as Jet and Cord! Jet and Cord get on the motorcycle at 21:23. It only took 21 minutes for Jet to complete the roadblock! Jet and Cord at the Pork Chops at 21:46 Caite and Brent on the mc at 21:56 - why are they 10min behind? Did Caite take time to pee? Jet and Cord at the Pork Cops at 22:23 and 22:24 And yet - Caite and Brent are running to the pitstop at 23:25
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 11 "They Don’t Even Understand Their Own Language" (Shanghai 2)
Post by: chill_sd on May 03, 2010, 05:04:47 PM
It seems to me that the camera might be set to -8:00 (Pacific Standard Time).
Shanghai is +8:00, so if the camera is -5:00 19:13 becomes 08:13, which is supposedly before they left the pitstop, I believe.
If the camera is -8:00 then 19:13 is 11:13, which seems closer.