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Title: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 21, 2010, 06:10:10 AM
Penang!! Thanks to Evan for finding us the title!! :jam:
Press:
MALAYSIA GREETS TEAMS WITH VIBRANT COLORS AND SCORCHING HEAT, AND TEAMS LEARN THAT LUCK HAS NO LOYALTY, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," SUNDAY, APRIL 4 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK
"You're Like Jason Bourne, Right?" (Malaysia) — Teams find that luck doesn't pick sides in a sweat-drenched test of endurance where they must choose to face a 153-step climb or take a 35-foot-high lesson in Chingay, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, April 4 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Phil Keoghan is host
TImeline:(thanks to woden)
EP08: Praslin, Seychelles to Penang, Malaysia EVIDENCE: Phil spotted in Dubai en route to Malaysia (12/12 EK342 arriving 10:30am); team spotted en route from Kuala Lumpur to Penang (12/14)
Air Date: APR 4
Film Date: DEC 12-14
Route: ROUTE INFO: Travel by plane to Penang, Malaysia
ROUTE INFO: Find clue in snake-covered box at Temple of Azure Cloud (at Bayan Lepas) EVIDENCE: CBS promo
DETOUR: Chingay task (balance flag on head, complete course) at Penang Padang Kota Lama (field between Town Hall and Fort Cornwallis) (Jet/Cord, Steve/Allie) OR 153-step climb at Thnee Kong Thua carrying incense (Mike/Louis, Dan/Jordan, Steve/Allie in that order around 11am, Carol/Brandy and Brent/Caite too) EVIDENCE: CBS promo, teams spotted at Kek Lok Si Temple (the wrong location) around 11am, possibly looking for Kuan Yin Teng (Mike & Louis possibly first team to arrive at Kek Lok Si, then Dan & Jordan, then Steve & Allie)
SPEED BUMP: Find guru on swing (in Penang Tropical Spice Garden) EVIDENCE: CBS promo
ROADBLOCK: Smash coconuts (to find clue inside?) (Jet, Caite, Louis, Carol) near Sri Singamuga Kaliamman temple EVIDENCE: CBS promo
PIT STOP: Peranakan Mansion EVIDENCE: CBS promo
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode: Mike & Louis: Eliminated in 4th place in Shanghai Dan & Jordan (Spotted in SFO) Brent & Caite (Spotted in SFO) Jet & Cord (Spotted in SFO)
Note: Hard to tell difference between racers and decoys from this episode on
Possibly Eliminated: UNKNOWN Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys) Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: 're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 21, 2010, 06:17:57 AM
credit to cbs for the episode title, strange hur: 're Like Jason Bourne, Right?
looks like cheating, betrayal and sanction is involved in this episode
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: 're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: redskevin88 on March 21, 2010, 06:19:30 AM
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Jason Bourne has a tormented past, which continues to influence him throughout his lifetime. Jason Bourne is but one of many aliases used by David Webb. Webb is a career foreign service officer and a specialist in Far Eastern affairs. Before the events in The Bourne Identity, Webb had a Thai wife named Dao and two children named Joshua and Alyssa in Phnom Penh, the capital of Cambodia. Webb's wife and two children were inadvertently killed during the Vietnam War when a fighter plane strayed into Cambodia, dropped two bombs and strafed a spot near the Mekong River. Due to Cambodia's neutrality in the war, every nation disclaimed the plane, and therefore no one took responsibility for the incident. Since he had nothing left, Webb went to Saigon and elected to train for an elite Top Secret Special Forces unit called Medusa, which would remain a Top Secret unit for many years. In Medusa, Webb was known only as Delta One, his code name within the unit.
I predict four things
1. One team gets stabbed in the back 2. They go mental 3. They're probably last like Brian & Ericka 4. They refuse to work with anyone, everyone, ever.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: 're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: theschnauzers on March 21, 2010, 02:43:40 PM
Anything that references to Matt Damon is fine by me.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: 're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: mswood on March 21, 2010, 03:08:56 PM
Anything that references to Matt Damon is fine by me.
Can I hear an Amen!
How about Da-mon?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: 're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Cocoa on March 21, 2010, 07:50:10 PM
COMPILATION OF PENANG RELATED POSTS IN RFF
:barline
EP08: Seychelles to Penang, Malaysia
EVIDENCE: Phil likely spotted in Penang International Airport McDonald’s (departure area) on December 15 (apx 5:45pm); Frat team spotted on flight from Kuala Lumpur to Penang (MH1138)
Air Date: March 27, 2010
Film Date: DEC 14-15?
Route: ROUTE INFO: Find Kuan Yin Teng Temple? EVIDENCE: Teams spotted at Kek Lok Si Temple (the wrong location) around 11am, possibly looking for Kuan Yin Teng (Mike & Louie possibly first team to arrive at Kek Lok Si, then Dan & Jordan, then “Father/Daughter” team)
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode: Brent & Caitlin?: Possibly spotted in San Francisco (Final 3?) Jet & Cord?: Possibly spotted in San Francisco (Final 3?) Dan & Jordan?: Possibly spotted in San Francisco (Final 3?) Mike & Louie?: Possibly spotted in Shanghai (Final 4?)
On the Chopping Board: Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys) Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
:barline
Quote from: apskip
PENANG
The state of PENANG is geographically divided into two sections:
* Penang Island: an island of 293 square kilometres located in the Straits of Malacca with an estimated population of 745,000 and 24 municipalities; and
* Province Wellesley (also known as Seberang Perai in Malay): a narrow hinterland of 753 square kilometres on the peninsula across a narrow channel whose smallest width is 4 km (2.5 miles). It is bordered by Kedah in the north (demarcated by the Muda River) and east, and Perak in the south and has an estimated population of 833,000 in 20 municipalities.
The body of water between Penang Island and Province Wellesley is the North Channel to the north of Georgetown and the South Channel to the south of George Town. Penang Island is irregularly shaped, with a granitic, hilly and mostly forested interior, the highest point being Western Hill (part of Penang Hill) at 830 metres above sea level. The coastal plains are narrow; in the northeast they forms a triangular promontory where state capital George Town is located. The topography of Province Wellesley is mostly flat. Butterworth, the main town in Province Wellesley, lies along the Perai River estuary and faces George Town at a distance of 3 km (2 miles) across the channel to the east.
Favorite tourist attractions in Penang are:
Take a trishaw ride or walking tour of the George Town Unesco World Heritage Site! The trishaw is a cute little peddle-power vehicle that has been around since the days of yore. Decorated with plastic flowers and blinking lights, these are now mainly “tourist mobiles” and are great for going around George Town’s narrow inner city streets.
Sample the popular hawker fare Penang street food encompasses Chinese, Malay and Indian “fast food”! Eating by the roadside is an experience as you watch locals of all races indulge in their favourite past time – food!
BATU FERRINGHI BEACH Laze by the scenic Batu Ferringhi beach or take a leisurely stroll along Gurney Drive With its sandy shores and vast open sea, Batu Ferringhi offers an amazing respite from the hustle and bustle of town. A walk along Gurney Drive invigorates all senses as it boasts of some of Penang’s best street food, shopping mall, and of course, a beautiful promenade!
Take a cable car ride up Penang Hill for the breathtaking view and go on a ferry ride The Penang Hill funicular train ride in Air Itam is one of the most poplar tourist attractions. The short 30-minute train ride is not-to-be-missed. The famous yellow ferries at Weld Quay were the main mode of transportation between the island and mainland before the Penang Bridge was constructed. The 15-minute ride affords passengers a view of two important heritage buildings – Wisma Yeap Chor Ee and Wisma Kastam, as you head towards the island. Once a thriving maritime port, Weld Quay now houses a bustling bus terminal, ports, clan jetty settlements and restaurants. The Botanic Gardens has myriad of plants and century-old trees.
Here is a map of the island and western shore of the mainland (note that it can be altered with the control to get a more focused or broader view or moved left or right) and a major features map:
Thanks uycocoa!! Great job abd very much appreciated!! Hope you all feel better soon!
Edited and corrected all info. However peach, I remember that there are pics of Steve and Allie running out from their cabs in the temple right? I can't find it.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: AmazingRace on March 23, 2010, 01:24:16 AM
Air Seychelles has a flight to Singapore. But I am not sure if it is scheduled. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: AmazingRace on March 23, 2010, 01:27:31 AM
The Amazing Race 16 sighting at Kek Lok Si Temple, Penang Malaysia *Spoiler*:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 23, 2010, 01:35:45 AM
Phil spotted in Dubai en route to Malaysia (12/12 EK342 arriving 10:30am); team spotted en route from Kuala Lumpur to Penang (12/14)
found a blog ...
Scooting Around (http://nohurrycurry.wordpress.com/2009/12/28/scooting-around/) 12/14/09: Penang, Malaysia
We scooted to the Kek Lok Si Temple, which is the biggest Buddhist temple in Southeast Asia. Kevin and I aren’t very good at visiting temples, since we usually don’t know anything about them except whatever they say in the brochure they hand out to visitors.
Anyway, the temple seemed nice enough – it was really colorful, which made for some pretty pictures. We spent about half an hour there and were getting ready to leave when Kevin, who was at the front stairs, waved and motioned excitedly for me to come look. “It’s The Amazing Race! And sure enough, it was. Kevin offered up the idea of following the Amazing Race-rs around all day, which I promptly vetoed. I wasn’t going to let us spend our one day in Penang scooting around aimlessly looking for things we couldn’t find.
Had a wonderful reply with more info from Kevin and Zhou from www.nohurrycurry.wordpress.com!!
They write:
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We were about to leave Kekloksi Temple near Penang Hill around 11am on 12/14 when one team and its cameraman and coordinator hopped out of a taxi. A few minutes later two more teams showed up and each team was asking some locals for help. Eventually they all figured out they were in the wrong spot. I was standing next to one of the guys at this point (trying to offer my map but he was talking to a local), and I'm pretty sure they were all supposed to be at Kuan Yin Teng (Goddess of Mercy Temple), but am not 100%. A couple hours later we went to this temple and didn't see any trace of the race.
All we can remember about the teams was that there were three of them - one father/daughter team, one team of two younger guys, and one unknown. (Sending pics for review--peach)
.... They sent a few pics >>>( the last team to leave, since I was too excited that we were watching TAR to take pictures or video up to that point) is the father and daughter.
Unfortunately we didn't get to see a challenge of any sort, but hope this is helpful anyway. Let us know if you need any more information.
Video thanks to Kevin and Zhou from www.nohurrycurry.wordpress.com!!
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Cocoa on March 23, 2010, 01:42:58 AM
More (but a bit unhelpful :lol3:)
Quote from: Boingo
:yess: Father & daughter (?) were standing next to this gate (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/2409269) in the parking lot next to the temple.
photo album (http://picasaweb.google.com/WenChing.Chan/2009050815_KekLokSiTemplePenangMalaysia#) photo album #2 (http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~net/photos/malaysia/penang-island/)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 23, 2010, 01:48:58 AM
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On the Chopping Board: Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys) Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
Just to clarify some things I am seeing misquoted elsewhere...Both of these teams are now believed to be actively racing in Penang. (http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5097.gif)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on March 23, 2010, 01:53:29 AM
On the Chopping Board: Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys) Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
Just to clarify some things I am seeing misquoted elsewhere...Both of these teams are now believed to be actively racing in Penang. (http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5097.gif)
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Leg 7 will be a non-elim, then. :lol:
And I was wondering about the "re". Someone must have mistakenly deleted the beginning of the word. The webmonkeys sure know how to make mistakes (or would those be the pressmonkeys?). :lol:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: redskevin88 on March 23, 2010, 02:50:18 AM
On the Chopping Board: Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys) Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
Just to clarify some things I am seeing misquoted elsewhere...Both of these teams are now believed to be actively racing in Penang. (http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5097.gif)
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Leg 7 will be a non-elim, then. :lol:
And I was wondering about the "re". Someone must have mistakenly deleted the beginning of the word. The webmonkeys sure know how to make mistakes (or would those be the pressmonkeys?). :lol:
Then what about Carol & Brandy doing the ice-cream task in Singapore??
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Sailing on March 23, 2010, 03:32:03 AM
On the Chopping Board: Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys) Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
Just to clarify some things I am seeing misquoted elsewhere...Both of these teams are now believed to be actively racing in Penang. (http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5097.gif)
Could this leg be a TBC ?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 23, 2010, 05:09:25 AM
i just feel bumped by the error by the cbs webmonkeys have made, sighs
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Mister RC on March 23, 2010, 11:50:53 AM
On the Chopping Board: Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys) Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
Just to clarify some things I am seeing misquoted elsewhere...Both of these teams are now believed to be actively racing in Penang. (http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5097.gif)
Could this leg be a TBC ?
Probably not since Phil said that there would be 12 legs. If they actually have an episode that's TBC, the first part would start in the previous leg, which means that this segment would most likely be the conclusion.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on March 23, 2010, 01:17:44 PM
On the Chopping Board: Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys) Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
Just to clarify some things I am seeing misquoted elsewhere...Both of these teams are now believed to be actively racing in Penang. (http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5097.gif)
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Leg 7 will be a non-elim, then. :lol:
And I was wondering about the "re". Someone must have mistakenly deleted the beginning of the word. The webmonkeys sure know how to make mistakes (or would those be the pressmonkeys?). :lol:
Then what about Carol & Brandy doing the ice-cream task in Singapore??
What about it? If nobody is eliminated on Leg 7, then Leg 8 would eliminate either Steve & Allie or Carol & Brandy, and one of these teams would really race in Singapore and the other would run decoy.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: apskip on March 23, 2010, 02:56:40 PM
Air Seychelles has a flight to Singapore. But I am not sure if it is scheduled. :duno:
AmazingRace, if you read the prior posts, it is very unlikely that teams will get to Penang connecting in Singapore. The information on flights plus everyting most significant, is included in puddin's excellent summary of all legs at the beginning of the timelines thread. Had you read that, you would have seen this:
EP08: Seychelles to Penang, Malaysia EVIDENCE: Phil spotted in Dubai en route to Malaysia (12/12 EK342 arriving 10:30am); team spotted en route from Kuala Lumpur to Penang (12/14)
If you want exact flight information, I posted in on another thread , probably spoilers arounnd the end of January and you should be able to sily find it.
It is unlikely that teams will fly to Penang via Singapore, as ther are better flights connecting in Kuala Lumpur to get to Penang. Singapore will be the recipient of flights the other way, from Penang to Kuala Lumpur to Singapore on the leg after the Penang leg.
I haven't given this speech to newbies in a long time, but they shoudl all read this carefully:
READ THE AR16 THREADS, ALL OF THEM, BEFORE ASKING EXPERIENCED RFF INDIVIDUALS TO HELP YOU. MOST OF THE INFORMATION YOU MIGHT ASK IS ALREADY IN THOSE THREADS
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 23, 2010, 05:54:49 PM
Or feel free to post in the Questions thread something you truly don't understand. :hugs:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: redskevin88 on March 23, 2010, 07:43:58 PM
On the Chopping Board: Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys) Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
Just to clarify some things I am seeing misquoted elsewhere...Both of these teams are now believed to be actively racing in Penang. (http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5097.gif)
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Leg 7 will be a non-elim, then. :lol:
And I was wondering about the "re". Someone must have mistakenly deleted the beginning of the word. The webmonkeys sure know how to make mistakes (or would those be the pressmonkeys?). :lol:
Then what about Carol & Brandy doing the ice-cream task in Singapore??
What about it? If nobody is eliminated on Leg 7, then Leg 8 would eliminate either Steve & Allie or Carol & Brandy, and one of these teams would really race in Singapore and the other would run decoy.
I always thought about the Penang leg being the non-elimination, because only Carol & Brandy were spotted doing the ice-cream task in Singapore...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 23, 2010, 11:36:35 PM
i am thinking otherwise, i think Singapore leg might be the 2nd non-elimination leg, so Seychelles and Malaysia episode could be elimination legs
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Caelestor on March 24, 2010, 12:10:06 AM
On the Chopping Board: Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys) Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
Just to clarify some things I am seeing misquoted elsewhere...Both of these teams are now believed to be actively racing in Penang. (http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5097.gif)
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Leg 7 will be a non-elim, then. :lol:
And I was wondering about the "re". Someone must have mistakenly deleted the beginning of the word. The webmonkeys sure know how to make mistakes (or would those be the pressmonkeys?). :lol:
Then what about Carol & Brandy doing the ice-cream task in Singapore??
What about it? If nobody is eliminated on Leg 7, then Leg 8 would eliminate either Steve & Allie or Carol & Brandy, and one of these teams would really race in Singapore and the other would run decoy.
I always thought about the Penang leg being the non-elimination, because only Carol & Brandy were spotted doing the ice-cream task in Singapore...
I don't get what you're trying to say. Oh wait, you're implying that the ice-cream task is a Speed Bump that Carol & Brandy have to do for being last on a non-elimination leg in Penang. Well, it could be. But it doesn't have to be a Speed Bump task just because only Carol & Brandy were spotted doing it. It could be a Detour option that only they choose to complete.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: 're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Cocoa on March 24, 2010, 09:44:20 AM
EDITED: Did I get everything alright huh Peach?
COMPILATION OF PENANG RELATED POSTS IN RFF
:barline
EP08: Seychelles to Penang, Malaysia
EVIDENCE: Phil likely spotted in Penang International Airport McDonald’s (departure area) on December 15 (apx 5:45pm); Frat team spotted on flight from Kuala Lumpur to Penang (MH1138)
Air Date: April 4, 2010
Film Date: DEC 14-15?
Route: ROUTE INFO: Find Kuan Yin Teng Temple? EVIDENCE: Teams spotted at Kek Lok Si Temple (the wrong location) around 11am, possibly looking for Kuan Yin Teng (Mike & Louie possibly first team to arrive at Kek Lok Si, then Dan & Jordan, then “Father/Daughter” team)
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode: Brent & Caitlin?: Possibly spotted in San Francisco (Final 3?) Jet & Cord?: Possibly spotted in San Francisco (Final 3?) Dan & Jordan?: Possibly spotted in San Francisco (Final 3?) Mike & Louie?: Possibly spotted in Shanghai (Final 4?)
On the Chopping Board this leg:
Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys) Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
:barline
Okay. I've had enough. I'll try not to mess with TAR Stuff. I retire from compiling these things.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: 're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: gator27 on March 24, 2010, 12:28:16 PM
I don't get what you're trying to say. Oh wait, you're implying that the ice-cream task is a Speed Bump that Carol & Brandy have to do for being last on a non-elimination leg in Penang. Well, it could be. But it doesn't have to be a Speed Bump task just because only Carol & Brandy were spotted doing it. It could be a Detour option that only they choose to complete.
Another possibility is that they are decoys and just decided to stop to get an ice cream cone on a hot Singapore day.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on March 24, 2010, 02:21:24 PM
I don't get what you're trying to say. Oh wait, you're implying that the ice-cream task is a Speed Bump that Carol & Brandy have to do for being last on a non-elimination leg in Penang. Well, it could be. But it doesn't have to be a Speed Bump task just because only Carol & Brandy were spotted doing it. It could be a Detour option that only they choose to complete.
Another possibility is that they are decoys and just decided to stop to get an ice cream cone on a hot Singapore day.
No, likely not. If my memory is correct, the ice cream stand had a flag.
I don't get what you're trying to say. Oh wait, you're implying that the ice-cream task is a Speed Bump that Carol & Brandy have to do for being last on a non-elimination leg in Penang. Well, it could be. But it doesn't have to be a Speed Bump task just because only Carol & Brandy were spotted doing it. It could be a Detour option that only they choose to complete.
Another possibility is that they are decoys and just decided to stop to get an ice cream cone on a hot Singapore day.
Carol & Brandy are safe. Steve & Allie are the decoys (if my source is correct, they "girl with ang moh man, older" were spotted running shortly after Carol & Brandy did their task)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 24, 2010, 08:16:36 PM
Carol & Brandy are safe. Steve & Allie are the decoys (if my source is correct, they "girl with ang moh man, older" were spotted running shortly after Carol & Brandy did their task)
I am missing something...how does seeing Steve and Aliie running make them decoys?? ???
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: redskevin88 on March 24, 2010, 08:17:22 PM
Carol & Brandy are safe. Steve & Allie are the decoys (if my source is correct, they "girl with ang moh man, older" were spotted running shortly after Carol & Brandy did their task)
I am missing something...how does seeing Steve and Aliie running make them decoys?? ???
We're trying to figure out which of them get eliminated in Penang...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 24, 2010, 08:19:27 PM
You just said they are decoys in Singapore based on seeing them running. I don't get your reasoning? Just asking for clarification....
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: redskevin88 on March 24, 2010, 08:22:55 PM
You just said they are decoys in Singapore based on seeing them running. I don't get your reasoning? Just asking for clarification....
They were not seen doing the task?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 24, 2010, 08:27:58 PM
I am feeling totally dense here...what task? running where? And the fact that someone didn't see them does not mean they didn't do it, right?
Sorry, but I am just not understanding what you are saying.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 24, 2010, 11:32:07 PM
ok, my gut feeling is getting more and more strong, that steve and allie might be the team eliminated in seychelles for losing their bags, and carol and brandy were eliminated in malaysia, and it loooks like to me that singapore leg really could be a non elimination leg, as TAR3 saw john vito and jill eliminated in singa[pore, mount faber, and the production will not want to arrange a team to be eliminated in singapore again
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Caelestor on March 25, 2010, 01:07:21 AM
ok, my gut feeling is getting more and more strong, that steve and allie might be the team eliminated in seychelles for losing their bags, and carol and brandy were eliminated in malaysia, and it loooks like to me that singapore leg really could be a non elimination leg, as TAR3 saw john vito and jill eliminated in singa[pore, mount faber, and the production will not want to arrange a team to be eliminated in singapore again
Two NELs in a row seem highly unlikely. I predict an elimination order like TAR 6, which means no one's going home in Seychelles.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 25, 2010, 01:22:13 AM
who knows we all guessed wrong, maybe malaysia leg could be a non elimination leg
ok, my gut feeling is getting more and more strong, that steve and allie might be the team eliminated in seychelles for losing their bags, and carol and brandy were eliminated in malaysia, and it loooks like to me that singapore leg really could be a non elimination leg, as TAR3 saw john vito and jill eliminated in singa[pore, mount faber, and the production will not want to arrange a team to be eliminated in singapore again
Two NELs in a row seem highly unlikely. I predict an elimination order like TAR 6, which means no one's going home in Seychelles.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: redskevin88 on March 25, 2010, 04:12:10 AM
ok, my gut feeling is getting more and more strong, that steve and allie might be the team eliminated in seychelles for losing their bags, and carol and brandy were eliminated in malaysia, and it loooks like to me that singapore leg really could be a non elimination leg, as TAR3 saw john vito and jill eliminated in singa[pore, mount faber, and the production will not want to arrange a team to be eliminated in singapore again
Yeah... but how do you lose your bags?? I mean, okay, losing your passport or fanny pack I understand, but short of getting it stolen, a bag is kind of a big thing to lose right?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: apskip on March 25, 2010, 06:49:11 AM
ok, my gut feeling is getting more and more strong, that steve and allie might be the team eliminated in seychelles for losing their bags, and carol and brandy were eliminated in malaysia, and it loooks like to me that singapore leg really could be a non elimination leg, as TAR3 saw john vito and jill eliminated in singa[pore, mount faber, and the production will not want to arrange a team to be eliminated in singapore again
That's quite a stretch to predict that World Race Productions would "not want to arrange a team to be eliminated in singapore again." I think that anywhere the Amazing Race has been is open to future elimination legs. In fact, there is the concept of the switchback, which specifically requires them to do esactly the same task again.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Zack. on March 25, 2010, 10:09:12 AM
ok, my gut feeling is getting more and more strong, that steve and allie might be the team eliminated in seychelles for losing their bags, and carol and brandy were eliminated in malaysia, and it loooks like to me that singapore leg really could be a non elimination leg, as TAR3 saw john vito and jill eliminated in singa[pore, mount faber, and the production will not want to arrange a team to be eliminated in singapore again
They've eliminated multiple teams in the same country before - heck, Chile has led to 5 eliminations; Argentina 6.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on March 25, 2010, 12:12:38 PM
You just said they are decoys in Singapore based on seeing them running. I don't get your reasoning? Just asking for clarification....
They were not seen doing the task?
That doesn't matter. Decoys have been spotted doing tasks before. Example: Maria & Tiffany in Estonia at the Blackheads House. The ice cream stand could still be a task (or more likely a place where they just get a clue) with Carol & Brandy there solely for decoy purposes. Without more information about the sightings (like how frantic the teams were or whether they had sound men with them) we don't really know which team was the decoy and which wasn't.
And yes, both teams could be decoys, but given past seasons, it's highly unlikely we'll have two Final 4 non-eliminations in a row again. It was anticlimatic last time.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 28, 2010, 09:28:39 AM
My hint for this episode: (http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5097.gif)
Big thanks to Lucie for the use of the photo! You can see more of her wonderful photography here www.luciedebelkova.com or http://www.luciedebelkova.com/Travel/Asia/Malaysia/8070297_76bX6#756201633_xQmuy
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: gator27 on March 28, 2010, 04:59:45 PM
Big thanks to Lucie for the use of the photo! You can see more of her wonderful photography here www.luciedebelkova.com or http://www.luciedebelkova.com/Travel/Asia/Malaysia/8070297_76bX6#756201633_xQmuy
I'm incensed this is the only hint you are providing right now. ;)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 28, 2010, 08:18:44 PM
Haha good one! :lol3:
Actually, it could be the large economy size instead...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 28, 2010, 08:30:16 PM
From the preview: CHINGAY!!
Lots of CHINGAY info and videos here:
http://www.squidoo.com/chingay
In Chinese dialect Hokkien "Chin Yi" or "Chin Gay" which means real art or true art.
This real art or true art is skillfully displayed by using the flag pole (Bamboo pole) and the flag pole ranges from 25 ft to 32 ft, the length of the flag is around 25ft, made from silk and the total weight of these materials is around 60 pounds.
The "Chingay" is a spectacular procession. The Bamboo pole carried perpendicularly by a steward bearer or performers with half-a-dozen others taking turn. The steward bearer/performers will normally balance huge poles with enormous triangular flags, on their forehands,chin,lower jaws and shoulders.
In Chinese dialect Hokkien "Chin Yi" or "Chin Gay" which means real art or true art.
This real art or true art is skillfully displayed by using the flag pole (Bamboo pole) and the flag pole ranges from 25 ft to 32 ft, the length of the flag is around 25ft, made from silk and the total weight of these materials is around 60 pounds.
The "Chingay" is a spectacular procession. The Bamboo pole carried perpendicularly by a steward bearer or performers with half-a-dozen others taking turn. The steward bearer/performers will normally balance huge poles with enormous triangular flags, on their forehands,chin,lower jaws and shoulders.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 28, 2010, 08:55:46 PM
Town Hall:
http://www.pulaupinang.com/penang-town-hall.shtml
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on March 28, 2010, 08:57:19 PM
Yes Peach, the Padang (field) is in between the Town Hall and Fort Cornwallis, dead in the centre of the historic town.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 28, 2010, 08:58:26 PM
THANK YOU PUDDIN FOR THE CAPS!! :hearts:
That would have taken me an hour.... minimum :lol:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: jerseydude on March 28, 2010, 08:59:17 PM
This looks like the roadblock since there are 6 different flags ready.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on March 28, 2010, 09:05:56 PM
I believe we, for a split second, saw either Penang or Singapore in the introduction to the Seychelles today - a Hindu temple! Puddin, would you be able to find the cap? It's when the teams arrive in Mahe, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Boingo on March 28, 2010, 09:07:31 PM
:lol: here's a GE view of the preview cap
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 28, 2010, 09:07:52 PM
Since it has Black text running down vertically it does not match any of these types of yellow clues. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fa/Detour_clue.PNG/50px-Detour_clue.PNG) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Yield_clue.PNG/50px-Yield_clue.PNG) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2e/U-Turn_clue.PNG/50px-U-Turn_clue.PNG)
Is it the Speed bump? I did not see what those clues look like. Anyone?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Dånooky on March 28, 2010, 10:08:35 PM
Since it has Black text running down vertically it does not match any of these types of yellow clues. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fa/Detour_clue.PNG/50px-Detour_clue.PNG) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Yield_clue.PNG/50px-Yield_clue.PNG) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2e/U-Turn_clue.PNG/50px-U-Turn_clue.PNG)
Is it the Speed bump? I did not see what those clues look like. Anyone?
I think it's the inside envelope of a Detour
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 29, 2010, 03:58:17 AM
Since it has Black text running down vertically it does not match any of these types of yellow clues. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fa/Detour_clue.PNG/50px-Detour_clue.PNG) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Yield_clue.PNG/50px-Yield_clue.PNG) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2e/U-Turn_clue.PNG/50px-U-Turn_clue.PNG)
Is it the Speed bump? I did not see what those clues look like. Anyone?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 29, 2010, 03:59:28 AM
adding on:
found and grab this from the wiki on Chingay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chingay
hope this will be known to all
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: River on March 29, 2010, 05:46:34 AM
Just like to point out that Jet & Cord say Dag Gummit while standing by a doublemint gum stand.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: LoveRocked on March 29, 2010, 06:14:42 AM
Heyy.. I'm new here.. I am sorry and I'm not very good grammer.. :( :
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode: Brent & Caitlin?: Possibly spotted in San Francisco (Final 3?) Jet & Cord?: Possibly spotted in San Francisco (Final 3?) Dan & Jordan?: Possibly spotted in San Francisco (Final 3?) Mike & Louie?: Possibly spotted in Shanghai (Final 4?)
On the Chopping Board this leg:
Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys) Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
I found out and check this out.. Here: http://realitytv.suite101.com/article.cfm/amazing_race_16_finishes_in_san_francisco
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: DrRox on March 29, 2010, 06:57:57 AM
Hey loverocked,
All the info in that article came from here............
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Glamazon Racer on March 29, 2010, 07:25:23 AM
That definitely looks like a Detour clue in his hand, in my opinion.
Any possibility of the first (and perhaps and probably only) Fast Forward on the race appearing on this leg? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 29, 2010, 07:35:15 AM
I found out and check this out.. Here: http://realitytv.suite101.com/article.cfm/amazing_race_16_finishes_in_san_francisco
:welcome: to RFF loverocked!!
Yes, Steven is a friend to RFF, that is based on our info. But thanks, and join in the fun! Your grammar is just fine. :hugs:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: apskip on March 29, 2010, 10:49:20 AM
OK, so the flight information for Seychelles to Kuala Lumpur (primary gateway to Penang due to better connections there than through Singapore) is more complicated than I originally estimated due to a Sunday being the expected day of flying. Sunday schedules are often different than weekday schedules. It was Sunday Dec.13 because teams arrived nonstop from Paris on Dec. 11 at 0715 and were able to finish their tasks and checkin before noon. The teams that had to return for the coconuts were subject to an extra 4 miles in the ox cart, which would have taken them about 65 minutes more than the leading teams assuming the ox averaged 3.7 miles/hour as indicated by Answers.com. The reason that can be important is that teams can be expected to have an extended pit stop in the Seychelles (who could ask for anything fore replenishing?). They would be released from it on or before midnight between Dec. 12 and 13 according to my timeline for AR16
There are 2 primary primary routes off the Seychelles, to Doha and to Dubai. Let's examine the best flight for each one Sundays:
Best if they can get it - SEZ DXB EK708 0150 0830 connecting with DXB KUL EK942 (Phil's flight one day earlier) 1030 2135
SEZ DOH QR703 0730 1115 connecting with DOH DXB EK847 1415 1415 in Doha, connecting with DXB KUL MH157 1835 0600+1
If reachable, SEZ DXB EK708 0150 0830 connects with EK404 DXB SIN 0955 2055 connecting with SIN PEN 3K673 0700+1 0825+1, which is not competitive by 2.6 hours
Getting to Seychelles International Airport near Mahe on Victoria island, the airport interestingly at the closest point to Praslin, could be problematical. Do helicopters there fly at night? I don't know. A fast boat could make it in 2 to 3 hours and might get Steve/Allie or Dan/Jordan there in time without being able to do the same for the other 4 teams which had to go back. If the only option is waiting for daylight so helicopters can operate, then teams might get to take the helicopters starting slightly before 0600, the approximate sunrise for Mahe days during the shortest ( and longest too due to being near the equator). If that was the case, then the 730 am flight to Doha represents the optimal one for them.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 29, 2010, 11:11:36 AM
Air Seychelles appears to have flights from PRI to SEZ throughout the day from 06:15 until 20:50.
Is is possible they flew out of Praslin?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 29, 2010, 11:19:01 AM
And we have Dan and Jordan on MH 1138 on 12/14 as well I believe. KL to Penang
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Boingo on March 29, 2010, 11:25:01 AM
Air Seychelles appears to have flights from PRI to SEZ throughout the day from 06:15 until 20:50.
Is is possible they flew out of Praslin?
Praslin is a small island (1/3 the size of Victory). It does have an airport and heliport (I've seen a picture of that on the Internet):
Praslin Island Airport (airport code PRI) is located on Praslin Island in the Seychelles. The airport is currently only serviced by Air Seychelles, who fly scheduled flights to Mahé and charters to the other islands off the Seychelles. It has one runway designated 15/33 with an asphalt surface measuring 4,318 by 104 feet. (This is the limiting factor as you might be able to get a 737 into and out of Praslin airport, but where in the Indian Ocean is it going to fly to?)
Airline Destinations Air Seychelles - Mahé (that's it)
The answer to your question is no. They only flew out of there by helicopter of plane to get to Mahe so they could leave from the Seychelles International Airport.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: apskip on March 29, 2010, 02:28:56 PM
"And we have Dan and Jordan on MH 1138 on 12/14"
Right, I decided to present the long list of 16 Malaysian Airlines flights ( a few code-shared) KUL to PEN on Mondays:
MH9880 07:25 - 08:25 MH1134 07:35 - 08:25 MH1138 09:15 - 10:05 (there you go, Peach; this dovetails nicely with the scheduled arrival into Kuala Lumpur of either MH157 from Dubai or 3K673 from Singapore) MH9882 10:00 - 11:00 MH1140 10:25 - 11:35 MH9930 12:20 - 13:20 MH1138 13:55 - 14:45 MH9884 14:55 - 15:55 MH1152 16:00 - 16:50 MH9886 17:30 - 18:30 MH1158 18:05 - 19:55 MH9928 18:30 - 19:30 MH1962 19:10 - 20:00 MH1164 20:20 - 21:10 MH9920 20:20 - 21:20 MH1166 21:15 - 22:05
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: kwando1313 on March 29, 2010, 05:05:44 PM
Unless you have to carry the flag there and back, it appears that Jet and Cord are somehow in first at the roadblock...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on March 29, 2010, 05:13:48 PM
The real question is this: When they are having taxi problems, is it in the vicinity of the Roadblock location? Because if it is, the flags could actually be part of the Detour. Or it could be the Roadblock but when they finish it they get the Detour clue. What do you all think?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: wonderfalls1 on March 30, 2010, 12:58:54 AM
I'll go out on a limb here. I am guessing that Penang is not a pit-stop at all. Teams there continues racing onwards to Singapore and one team is eliminated there.
It's not the first time TAR has pulled this off....
Also, I read somewhere that the teams took the train from Penang to Singapore. Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 30, 2010, 01:08:29 AM
Penang will be a pitstop, and seeing that there is only 1 non elimination leg left in the race, so the next 2 eliminations will be in Penang and Singapore, following by 1 of the 2 eliminations in China
and i once queried the RFFians here, there is no supportive suggestions that the teams travel by train or by plane to Singapore, so we just have to wait and watch that episode. But my best guess will be by plane.
I'll go out on a limb here. I am guessing that Penang is not a pit-stop at all. Teams there continues racing onwards to Singapore and one team is eliminated there.
It's not the first time TAR has pulled this off....
Also, I read somewhere that the teams took the train from Penang to Singapore. Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: apskip on March 30, 2010, 07:23:24 AM
I have no idea whether AR16 went from Penang to Singapore by train. However, I have the schedules if they did:: 13:45
Looking only at those columns finishing in Singapore, train leave Butterworth (across the Straits of Malacca from Penang) at 0825, 1400 and 2230 to reach Singapore 6.5, 7.7 and 8 hours, respectively, later. That is less than many arduous train rides done by the Amazing Race in past seasons. They could easily have elected for lower costs to take the train.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 07:59:36 AM
Chingay is a Detour!!
You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? NEW
The teams must choose between a 153-step climb or a 35-foot high lesson in Chingay.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on March 30, 2010, 08:05:32 AM
Apskip, trains in Malaysia are painfully slow when compared to the European network... The only direct train I know of leaves Butterworth at 7.00am and arrives in Singapore at 9.30pm, a journey of 14h30. If leaving at night, there is the option of changing trains in KL Sentral, which would mean a journey from 8.24pm to 4.05pm the next day, a journey time of 19h41.
The 6.5h you mention should only be able to get you from either city to Kuala Lumpur... Would you mind sharing your source?
Buses are the much speedier option, with journey times approximating 8.5h. These leave frequently between 8.00am and 10.30am, then again from 8.30pm to 11.00pm.
I'd love a free for all. Release teams after the last direct flight to Singapore at 9.15pm, then let them choose whichever mode of transportation - train, bus or plane - they want; the first plane in the morning through Kuala Lumpur gets in at 7.05am and the 10.30pm bus at 7am...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 08:13:10 AM
MALAYSIA GREETS TEAMS WITH VIBRANT COLORS AND SCORCHING HEAT, AND TEAMS LEARN THAT LUCK HAS NO LOYALTY, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," SUNDAY, APRIL 4 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK
"You're Like Jason Bourne, Right?" (Malaysia) — Teams find that luck doesn't pick sides in a sweat-drenched test of endurance where they must choose to face a 153-step climb or take a 35-foot-high lesson in Chingay, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, April 4 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Phil Keoghan is host
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 30, 2010, 08:34:24 AM
looks like the leaderboard will have some shake-ups again
MALAYSIA GREETS TEAMS WITH VIBRANT COLORS AND SCORCHING HEAT, AND TEAMS LEARN THAT LUCK HAS NO LOYALTY, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," SUNDAY, APRIL 4 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK
"You're Like Jason Bourne, Right?" (Malaysia) — Teams find that luck doesn't pick sides in a sweat-drenched test of endurance where they must choose to face a 153-step climb or take a 35-foot-high lesson in Chingay, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, April 4 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Phil Keoghan is host
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 30, 2010, 08:37:25 AM
Neobie check up this site
this could be the 6 hr 30 mins apskip is talking about: http://www.ktmb.com.my/#
Apskip, trains in Malaysia are painfully slow when compared to the European network... The only direct train I know of leaves Butterworth at 7.00am and arrives in Singapore at 9.30pm, a journey of 14h30. If leaving at night, there is the option of changing trains in KL Sentral, which would mean a journey from 8.24pm to 4.05pm the next day, a journey time of 19h41.
The 6.5h you mention should only be able to get you from either city to Kuala Lumpur... Would you mind sharing your source?
Buses are the much speedier option, with journey times approximating 8.5h. These leave frequently between 8.00am and 10.30am, then again from 8.30pm to 11.00pm.
I'd love a free for all. Release teams after the last direct flight to Singapore at 9.15pm, then let them choose whichever mode of transportation - train, bus or plane - they want; the first plane in the morning through Kuala Lumpur gets in at 7.05am and the 10.30pm bus at 7am...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on March 30, 2010, 08:47:24 AM
I don't think the official KTMB site mentions anything about a six-hour train ride. That's precisely where I confirmed my 14h and 19h itineraries.
I believe it is physically impossible for a Malaysian train to run from Penang to Singapore in six hours. :lol:
Shall we move this discussion to the Episode Thread for the following week?
Edited to add: Aah, I found the website (http://www.seat61.com/Malaysia.htm) from which Apskip was lifting information. Looks like you've been misreading the columns! You are quoting the travel times from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 08:48:49 AM
neobie, where are there 153 steps??
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on March 30, 2010, 08:52:19 AM
153 steps is very little - nothing taller than seven storeys! There's got to be an additional portion to the task that we don't know of yet...
(My first thought was Kek Lok Si, but I think there may be way more steps there than 153.)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 08:54:42 AM
Is there maybe a tourist sight or temlple that requires a climb of 153 steps?? Maybe carrying incense comes in here....
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 30, 2010, 08:59:47 AM
how about carry a large incense and climb 153 steps to place, sounds cool
MALAYSIA GREETS TEAMS WITH VIBRANT COLORS AND SCORCHING HEAT, AND TEAMS LEARN THAT LUCK HAS NO LOYALTY, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," SUNDAY, APRIL 4 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK
"You're Like Jason Bourne, Right?" (Malaysia) — Teams find that luck doesn't pick sides in a sweat-drenched test of endurance where they must choose to face a 153-step climb or take a 35-foot-high lesson in Chingay, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, April 4 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Phil Keoghan is host
Hey all. I can share this with you all if it matters much at all. Being from the Penang island myself, there isn't that many tall buildings around to do a 153-step climb up. One I suspect is the one that's called KOMTAR, Penang's tallest building and 6th tallest in Malaysia. The building itself is a 65-storey tower, and I would think the detour requires a climb up the building and some other "chores" as well.
Besides, the chingay field and KOMTAR is just about 5 minutes apart by car.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 30, 2010, 09:11:35 AM
I found a reference to 152 steps at the Ban Hood Pagoda.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 30, 2010, 09:16:24 AM
It needs to be close to Padang Kota Lama (flag field), right? Only a couple of structures I see nearby--the Jubilee clock tower and the fort lighthouse--but neither look tall enough. I agree with Neobie: there must be a catch.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 09:22:12 AM
152 steps>> this is very interesting because this is where we have the tourist video of teams arriving and quickly leaving, as though they were at the wrong place...perhaps to get to the steps they have to go around to another side or something??
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 09:23:54 AM
oops, sorry chills, you had it first! :waves:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: walkingpneumonia on March 30, 2010, 09:25:27 AM
This guy references 153 steps at some place in Penang. Can't quite figure out where it is though... http://picasaweb.google.com/fafafung/20091125MomSHolyTrip#5416238171171948786 http://picasaweb.google.com/fafafung/20091125MomSHolyTrip#5416238213202884114
It looks like there are numbered steps to climb
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 09:36:56 AM
This guy references 153 steps at some place in Penang. Can't quite figure out where it is though... http://picasaweb.google.com/fafafung/20091125MomSHolyTrip#5416238171171948786 http://picasaweb.google.com/fafafung/20091125MomSHolyTrip#5416238213202884114
It looks like there are numbered steps to climb
My friend in Penang thinks these photos were taken at Bukit Mertajam. I'll go run a few checks...
There is a very intense Buddhist ritual that requires pilgrims to bow every three steps and to prostrate every five. I wonder...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 30, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
This guy references 153 steps at some place in Penang. Can't quite figure out where it is though... http://picasaweb.google.com/fafafung/20091125MomSHolyTrip#5416238171171948786 http://picasaweb.google.com/fafafung/20091125MomSHolyTrip#5416238213202884114
It looks like there are numbered steps to climb
My friend in Penang thinks these photos were taken at Bukit Mertajam. I'll go run a few checks...
There is a very intense Buddhist ritual that requires pilgrims to bow every three steps and to prostrate every five. I wonder...
i could see this as roadblock
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 10:04:35 AM
It is a detour zach, read the release.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 30, 2010, 10:07:53 AM
That's cool, Peach. When I looked at that article I thought the Ban Hood Pagoda was different from the Kek Lok Si temple. Perhaps teams got directed there looking for 153 steps and it was the wrong location after all.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 10:16:17 AM
We need a map...I think the taxis may have taken them to the wrong side of the temple, not the side where the steps begin...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 30, 2010, 12:18:36 PM
There appear to be two gates (circled). I'd be willing to bet the video shows them at the west side, and they need to go to the east side, where you can see steps leading up to the pagoda.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 12:29:03 PM
THAT's what we needed, I bet so too. Kevin who took the video said they were all pulling up and then leaving, like they were in the wrong place. :happy:
:ty
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: apskip on March 30, 2010, 12:48:45 PM
This post has been moved to ep. 9 and deleted here.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on March 30, 2010, 01:04:54 PM
So it may be hidden in all this confusing dialog...but is the flag task a Detour? :res:
You guys need to be a little more clear. Sometimes I don't know what you're talking about. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 30, 2010, 01:12:13 PM
Apskip, I'm not sure how you're reading the Thai timetable. I see two daily trains and one weekend train leaving from Butterworth:
Daily Train 9 leaves Butterworth at 23:30 this train arrives KL at 06:40, then train 5 leaves KL at 08:25 (1 hr 45 min layover) and arrives Singapore at 15:00. Total time = 15 hr 30 min.
Daily Train 1 leaves Butterworth at 07:45 and arrives Singapore 21:30. Total time = 13 hr 45 min (no layover in KL).
Saturdays and Sundays, Train 3 leaves Butterworth 10:00 and arrives KL 17:30 then Train 11 (daily) leaves KL at 22:30 (a 5 hr layover!) and arrives Singapore 08:20. Total time = 22 hr 20 min.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 30, 2010, 01:13:34 PM
I did read the thread. Nobody ever said that Chingay was the name of the flag site. And a "35-foot high lesson" doesn't necessarily mean it involves flags. Just had to clarify. Sorry if that's so inconvenient.
Thanks, chill_sd. :wohoo:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 01:37:40 PM
There is a whole post devoted to explaining what chingay is right here:
I thought it was clear, sorry if it was too obtuse. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: apskip on March 30, 2010, 01:55:29 PM
I know there has been discussion of chingay, but sorry Peach I don't think all the information needed is posted yet so I am attempting to fill in some gaps:
Hokkien "Chin Yi" or "Chin Gay" means real art or true art. This art or true art is skillfully displayed by using the flag pole (Bamboo pole) and the flag pole ranges from 25 ft to 32 ft, the length of the flag is around 25ft, made from silk. The total weight of these materials is about 60 pounds.
In a Chingay procession (typically part of a huge annual parade in Singapore) the Bamboo pole carried perpendicularly by a steward bearer or performers with half-a-dozen others taking turn. The steward bearer/performers will normally balance huge poles with enormous triangular flags on their forehands, chin, lower jaws and shoulders. A skilled chingay man must be very fit as chingay requires the mighty strength of brawny biceps, supple limbs, physical co-ordination and lightning reflexes.
A strip of transparent silk steaming from the top of the bamboo to the ground trails as far behind as 35 feet. A chingay man besides performing stunts must not let this soft material drape itself around and entangle the other performers. If the flagpole appears to be falling at any time, those other team members will move in to prevent it from crashing on to the onlookers and spectators or objects which may be in its path.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 02:57:12 PM
I think that info comes from the same link I posted, but the more info the better. If experienced posters are having trouble, then we need more info to clarify. It is easy to get lost sometimes, I do all the time and then Boingo comes and straightens me out :lol:
So summary as we know it:
Chingay is flag balancing and is a Detour choice.
The other Detour choice includes climbing 152 (or 3) steps, probably in the Kek Loc Si Temple,
Somewhere in here we should have something to do with incense as well, perhaps carrying some up the temple stairs??
Unless the incense is a RB instead...we still need the RB and speedbump.
Should have another promo out later today!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on March 30, 2010, 04:02:31 PM
Thanks for the info everyone, sorry for being so impatient.
Peach: I had missed that post. Thanks for the link! (And the summary of course!) :tup:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 30, 2010, 04:15:23 PM
New promo. So we go from hauling coconuts to smashing coconuts (looks like maybe the Road block)?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 30, 2010, 04:31:05 PM
We pretty much see all the teams running through the airport at the same time. Not sure if I saw Mike & Louie, though.
Performing the RoadBlock we see Jet, Caite, Louie and Carol.
Oh, and I think that's incense when it says "Exotic Rituals." It looks like maybe he's blessing the flags for the chingay.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Zack. on March 30, 2010, 04:33:39 PM
Looks like they're carrying giant incense sticks.
Also - "find the guru" - probable Speed Bump? (and an homage to TARA's hilarious "find the girl on the swing" task?)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 30, 2010, 04:39:33 PM
It's kind of like "find the scientist in the hammock" from Family Edition, too.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on March 30, 2010, 04:44:55 PM
Getting a lot of help from my Penang friends... :lol:
The Pit Stop looks like the Peranakan Mansion. Extremely excited to see the Peranakans getting some love! Penang, along with the other two original Straits Settlements, is one of the few places in the world, even within Malaysia, to have this beautiful mix of cultures, and I'm very glad they're acknowledging this very special bit of Malaysia. And on top of that we get Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists... Cultural propriety win!
Also, it's not a huge surprise, but the snake temple is the famous Temple of the Azure Cloud (清雲巖) at Bayan Lepas.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: River on March 30, 2010, 05:03:40 PM
It also looks like Carol & Brandy and Dan & Jordan completely finish the incense.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: River on March 30, 2010, 05:16:14 PM
I also can't figure out what the building by the coconuts is:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 30, 2010, 05:24:18 PM
If it's any help, Dawne, when they show Louie, you can see that it is a sandy area by the water.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: apskip on March 30, 2010, 05:26:00 PM
I remember in Amazing Race Asia 1 on the beach at Ko Poda Island, Thailand where only Sandy had the force to open coconuts until one with red dye was smashed open. Perhaps a variant of that ROADBLOCK was used in Penang to create the huge pile of opened coconuts. Of course it could also be just a copra factory by the beach.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 30, 2010, 05:29:00 PM
Well, the good news for Jet & Cord fans is that by the look of things, they are one of the early teams to the Road Block. Not very many broken coconuts when we see Jet.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: River on March 30, 2010, 05:32:06 PM
Well, the good news for Jet & Cord fans is that by the look of things, they are one of the early teams to the Road Block. Not very many broken coconuts when we see Jet.
Nice observation, there are a bunch by Caite when she's there!
I'm confused then... What's with the carrying of the flags with the mouth?
That's part of the Detour. The giant incense sticks are for a general task, I believe.
The detour is either carry the flags across the field, balanced on head or carry the giant incense sticks up the 152(3) steps. It appears that both teammates have to carry a flag or carry a giant incense stick.
It appears that Jet/Cord and Steve/Allie do the flags. It looks like Dan/Jordan, Brent/Caite and Carol/Brandy do the giant incense sticks. I dont see anything in there about which one Mike/Louie do.
Peach is there any possiblity of getting a screencap just before the flag detour screencap with the sun in the middle. I think that is Steve, but not 100% sure. It looks like Allie in the right background though.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Cocoa on March 30, 2010, 06:46:19 PM
Steve and Allie doesn't get their bags back! (I guess so.) :ascared
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on March 30, 2010, 06:54:29 PM
Thanks for the videos and the caps guys!
Thnee Kong Thua (天公壇), or Altar of the Jade Emperor. It's a Taoist, not Buddhist, temple - so I think TPTB screwed up by putting a Theravada monk there. Not too far from the 'wrong' Kek Lok Si Temple; they're both in Air Hitam. The two are only 2.6km (1.6mi) apart from each other by road; it's pretty walkable and I've covered the route myself. Absolutely no problem with a taxi. Expect to watch it get played up on TV though.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 30, 2010, 07:15:32 PM
Nice work! :jumpy: The cap matches the "trinity buddhas" in the lower temple hall (source (http://www.my-island-penang.com/Penang-Jade-Emperor-Temple.html), middle of page).
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 07:22:43 PM
Thni Kong Tnua, or Jade Emperor's Pavilion, is a Taoist temple at the foot of Penang Hill in Air Itam, Penang. It is located to the right of the Penang Hill Railway Station.
As the name suggests, the Jade Emperor's Pavilion is dedicated to the worship of the Jade Emperor, or Thni Kong. The term Thni Kong means Heavenly Grandfather, and is the common title for the Huang Shangdi, or Pure August Emperor of Jade. This is the most important deity in the Chinese Taoist pantheon, and is regarded as the ruler of heaven. The worship of the Jade Emperor is traced to as early as the 9th century AD, when he was the patron deity of the imperial family.
The Thni Kong Tnua or Jade Emperor's Pavilion in Air Itam is one of those rare temples dedicated to the worship of this august deity. The temple in its present form dates back to 1905. It was built by the same Cantonese-Hokkien temple trustees as the Kong Hock Keong, better known as Kuan Yin Teng. A Taoist shrine is said to have existed on that particular site since 1869, and for that reason, the present Jade Emperor's Pavilion is regarded as being over 140 years old.
Before the renovation of 2002, the Jade Emperor's Pavilion received its last major facelift through the efforts of the philanthropist brothers Aw Boon Haw and Aw Boon Par, of Haw Par Villa fame. That was back in 1931. Among the structures built at that time was an octagonal pavilion that is still standing.
The Jade Emperor's Pavilion sits on a horse-shoe knoll called Fong San, or Phoenix Mountain, a particularly auspicious position, for it represents the four sacred creatures of Taoism – green dragon, white tiger, black turtle and red peacock, each guarding the temple in four cardinal directions.
The Thni Kong Tnua is unique in that it is a Taoist temple managed by Buddhist monks. One of the more imminent was Abbot Jing Ming, a Mahayanist Buddhist monk who also taught Zen Buddism. He was the abbot of Thni Kong Tnua from 1905 to 1915.
The Thni Kong Tnua underwent extensive renovation and restoration which began in January 2002. As the craftmanship is not available locally, artisans from China had to be employed. They include 33 craftsmen from Fuzhou. The people involved in the restoration is also the ones who worked on the award-winning Thian Hock Keng Temple in Singapore. The restoration of the Thian Hock Keng Temple received an award from Unesco for cultural heritage conservation.
The Jade Emperor's Pavilion is particularly busy on 8th night of Chinese New Year, because it is thronged by devotees coming to celebrate the Jade Emperor's birthday. As I am neither Buddhist nor Taoist, I document the Thni Kong Tnua for Penang Travel Tips and AsiaExplorers from a purely secular, heritage and cultural perspective. I photographed the Jade Emperor's Pavilion on 28 January, 2006, during Chinese New Year, when the temple was still in the midst of the renovations. Later I organised a site visit to it for the Penang Heritage Trust, but unfortunately I myself was unable to attend as I was away overseas. Nevertheless, it gave the participants of the visit a glimpse at one of the few temples to be erected for the Jade Emperor. I understand that the temple trustee are keen to submit it for Unesco consideration for heritage culture conservation.
Getting there Take Rapid Penang Bus U204 which goes to the Penang Hill Railway station. Check the Rapid Penang Bus Routes for details. From the bus stop, walk a short distance down the road till you reach a lane to your left with a big arch. The arch is for the Jade Emperor's Pavilion. Take that lane. A short distance up that lane, Go straight up until you see the Jade Emperor Pavilion perched on the hill side. The hill railway viaduct passes right behind the temple.
What to see and do The Jade Emperor Pavilion was recently restored. Go inside and admire the pavilion itself, which has the largest tragrams dome of any Taoist temples in the region. The temple is resplendent in its crimson lacquer.
Nearby Sights The following are sights within the immediate vicinity or close by:
Bat Cave Temple: Just a walking distance away Beow Hiang Lim Temple Huat Huah Liam Temple Ayer Itam Maha Mariamman Temple Kek Lok Si: Not actually close by, since you have to drive or take the bus there, but worth a visit if you have the time
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: caper on March 30, 2010, 07:29:31 PM
I think this may be in penang's tropical spice gardens( The site mentions a giant swing but haven't found a picture to post)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: redskevin88 on March 30, 2010, 07:33:34 PM
Buses are the much speedier option, with journey times approximating 8.5h. These leave frequently between 8.00am and 10.30am, then again from 8.30pm to 11.00pm.
I assume that Neobie has never been to Malaysia or Singapore. DON'T TAKE THE BUS DOWN. Reason: The Causeway. Causeway jams are horrible. Joab might know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on March 30, 2010, 07:43:17 PM
I assume that Neobie has never been to Malaysia or Singapore.
:lol3: (My reply in the Singapore thread!)
Anyway... Note how the Chingay option is much closer to the Pit Stop than the Incense option. If I were TPTB and planning for things to be somewhat fair, the Roadblock would come after the Detour.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 07:51:40 PM
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Cocoa on March 30, 2010, 08:02:15 PM
Happy 1000th Post Neobie! All your posts are INGENIOUSLY CREATED!
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 08:10:40 PM
Wow, thank you so much Neobie for all the help!! And thank your friends for us!!
Okay, so what do we have??
Snake Temple (Neobie: snake temple is the famous Temple of the Azure Cloud (清雲巖) at Bayan Lepas.) : get a clue??
Tropical spice gardens and Yogi (?) in a swing (Caper: Penang's tropical spice gardens http://www.malaysiasite.nl/spices.htm )>> could this be the Speedbump??
Detour: Chingay (flag carrying on the head/face) in the Padang Kota Lama! Translates into "Field of the Old Fort," just outside Fort Cornwallis (Neobie) in front of the Penang Town Hall. VS incense carrying at Thnee Kong Thua (天公壇), or Altar of the Jade Emperor (Neobie)
RB: coconut smashing (location??)
Pitstop: Peranakan Mansion
Wow, as Boingo would say, it is only Tuesday and our work is done. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: DrRox on March 30, 2010, 08:11:27 PM
I assume that Neobie has never been to Malaysia or Singapore. DON'T TAKE THE BUS DOWN. Reason: The Causeway. Causeway jams are horrible. Joab might know what I'm talking about.
Every once in a while, this board reminds me of an old Arthur Godfry TV program from back in the 50s.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: misterblah on March 30, 2010, 08:24:36 PM
Wow, thank you so much Neobie for all the help!! And thank your friends for us!!
Okay, so what do we have??
Snake Temple (Neobie: snake temple is the famous Temple of the Azure Cloud (清雲巖) at Bayan Lepas.) : get a clue??
Tropical spice gardens and Yogi (?) in a swing (Caper: Penang's tropical spice gardens http://www.malaysiasite.nl/spices.htm )>> could this be the Speedbump??
Detour: Chingay (flag carrying on the head/face) in the Padang Kota Lama! Translates into "Field of the Old Fort," just outside Fort Cornwallis (Neobie) in front of the Penang Town Hall. VS incense carrying at Thnee Kong Thua (天公壇), or Altar of the Jade Emperor (Neobie)
RB: coconut smashing (location??)
Pitstop: Peranakan Mansion
Wow, as Boingo would say, it is only Tuesday and our work is done. :lol:
Don't we need to find out who comes in first, second B:) or more importantly, which team gets eliminated?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 30, 2010, 08:26:31 PM
Caper's link mentions the spice garden as being near the Mutiara resort, a beach place with similar balcony/windows (I'd like more pictures before calling it, though) (source (http://www.penang-hotels.com/mutiara/location.htm)).
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: NoluckBoston on March 30, 2010, 08:37:28 PM
Wow, thank you so much Neobie for all the help!! And thank your friends for us!!
Okay, so what do we have??
Snake Temple (Neobie: snake temple is the famous Temple of the Azure Cloud (清雲巖) at Bayan Lepas.) : get a clue??
Tropical spice gardens and Yogi (?) in a swing (Caper: Penang's tropical spice gardens http://www.malaysiasite.nl/spices.htm )>> could this be the Speedbump??
Detour: Chingay (flag carrying on the head/face) in the Padang Kota Lama! Translates into "Field of the Old Fort," just outside Fort Cornwallis (Neobie) in front of the Penang Town Hall. VS incense carrying at Thnee Kong Thua (天公壇), or Altar of the Jade Emperor (Neobie)
RB: coconut smashing (location??)
Pitstop: Peranakan Mansion
Wow, as Boingo would say, it is only Tuesday and our work is done. :lol:
How about this order...........
Land at Airport......
go to Snake Temple and get clue for Detours.........
Go to Detours.....
After Detours........get clue for Roadblock.......
Arriving at Roadblock.......Cowboys get clue for Speedbump, since they are in same area.
After RB.......then off to Pit Stop......
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: DrRox on March 30, 2010, 09:26:12 PM
Looks like Steve and Allie doing the Flag Detour.......so she is probably trying to get a taxi. Did you get a screencap just before this one, without the Sun blending in?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on March 30, 2010, 09:29:01 PM
Jet/Cord are looking for a taxi outside the Snake Temple, I think. That means they're behind at the start then?
The tour bus, passer-by in a cowboy hat, and the store hawking "鐘金泉" (brand name of an ingredient for rojak, popular as a souvenir, especially for Chinese tourists) suggest this is a tourist destination. I was looking around in the historic district, but not much luck with the stripes (which are clearly visible on Google Earth) and the row of trees. Think the Snake Temple fits the bill!
Note the staircase, ramp and railings in the first pair of photos.
If Steve/Allie switch Detours that can't be good.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 09:37:13 PM
Looks like Steve and Allie doing the Flag Detour.......so she is probably trying to get a taxi. Did you get a screencap just before this one, without the Sun blending in?
I meant...why would they be there if they were doing the FF??
Where do we see Steve and allie doing the Incense?? ??
I'll go check those caps, but I think there were only 3 blurred ones....
No...it goes right to a big sun...this is the only one... But IS this Steve?? Looks right but I thought his shorts were darker...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on March 30, 2010, 09:38:56 PM
Looks like Steve and Allie doing the Flag Detour.......so she is probably trying to get a taxi. Did you get a screencap just before this one, without the Sun blending in?
I meant...why would they be there if they were doing the FF??
Where do we see Steve and allie doing the Incense?? ??
I'll go check those caps, but I think there were only 3 blurred ones....
No...it goes right to a big sun...this is the only one... But IS this Steve?? Looks right but I thought his shorts were darker...
Look to the right of Steve...and the sun.......isnt that Allie standing under the other flag in the background? Didnt you say upthread that Allie WASN'T holding a FF clue?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 09:49:00 PM
But why does Neobie think they switch??
There is this cap, that shows Steve and Allie running behind Jordan...where is that??
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on March 30, 2010, 09:50:04 PM
Hmm...on the green thing...
It could be a FF clue that she just hasn't put away yet. But right now I'm more inclined to think of it as the clue they get after the Detour. Maybe it's a green piece of a flag instead of the usual paper clue?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: DrRox on March 30, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
There is this cap, that shows Steve and Allie running behind Jordan...where is that??
I would guess that this is by Kek Lok Si, but there's not much I can do to prove that.
Sure there is! It is called Detective work. ;)
Go look at Flickr at all the tourists going to those temples, search videos for someone who might have driven there, check Google maps, dig around. The info will be there but it takes research!
You can do it!!
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on March 30, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
We believe that teams are racing around midday. Given that Penang is slightly north of the Equator and that it's the middle of December, we can expect the sun to be shining from the South and shadows to be pointing North. So our teams are running in a general westerly direction?
Could be the path running westwards from the parking lot at Kek Lok Si along the north side of the complex...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on March 30, 2010, 10:21:49 PM
We believe that teams are racing around midday. Given that Penang is slightly north of the Equator and that it's the middle of December, we can expect the sun to be shining from the South and shadows to be pointing North. So our teams are running in a general westerly direction?
Could be the path running westwards from the parking lot at Kek Lok Si along the north side of the complex...
That's what I was thinking.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on March 30, 2010, 10:23:19 PM
Well, peach, I just did a little Google Earth research myself...and I realized that the guy who filmed Allie outside the gate to Kek Lok Si temple was actually filming from within. So they were at the "right" gate. Dunno why they would leave without doing the task. :duno:
There appear to be two gates (circled). I'd be willing to bet the video shows them at the west side, and they need to go to the east side, where you can see steps leading up to the pagoda.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 30, 2010, 10:25:53 PM
You are right, Hooky, after looking at the video again, they were at the North-Eastern Gate. But we now think the task was at another temple.
Teams arriving in that video didn't have the incense sticks yet.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: DrRox on March 30, 2010, 10:29:06 PM
Peach,
Phil always says that teams will have to do an extra task sometime in the next leg. He never says where it will occur. It just looked to me that it would be near the RB. Other wise, the cowboys will spend all day driving un and down the island. It is just speculation on my part.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 10:31:37 PM
They didn't do the task there because it was the wrong temle. Good on the GE work!! :jumpy:
We believe that teams are racing around midday. Given that Penang is slightly north of the Equator and that it's the middle of December, we can expect the sun to be shining from the South and shadows to be pointing North. So our teams are running in a general westerly direction?
Could be the path running westwards from the parking lot at Kek Lok Si along the north side of the complex...
Why would they be going that way? ??? Is that the way to the Jade Temple?? Remember, they have taxis then....why would they be running?? Just wondering.....
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
Phil always says that teams will have to do an extra task sometime in the next leg. He never says where it will occur. It just looked to me that it would be near the RB. Other wise, the cowboys will spend all day driving un and down the island. It is just speculation on my part.
I am terrible at this stuff...but I was thinking every speedbump we have had has come early in the leg...not at the end?? Can anyone verify or dispute this? Cuz I sure don't know for sure. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on March 30, 2010, 10:44:03 PM
Speed Bumps:
TAR 16 Leg 5: Right before Detour (first real task of Leg)
TAR 15 Leg 9: Right before Roadblock (first task of leg) TAR 15 Leg 11: Right before Roadblock (first task of leg)
TAR 14 Leg 6: Right before Detour, after Roadblock TAR 14 Leg 9: Before Roadblock and Detour
TAR 13 Leg 7: Right (before/after? - can someone verify please?) Detour, after Roadblock TAR 13 Leg 10: Right before Detour, after Roadblock
I won't go back further, but usually they are earlier in the leg rather than later. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 10:52:11 PM
Oh thank you Hooky!! :hearts: I knew one of y'all would know that stuff, I never do. :-[
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on March 30, 2010, 10:55:44 PM
Oh thank you Hooky!! :hearts: I knew one of y'all would know that stuff, I never do. :-[
I'm trying to actually "work" for a change. :lol:
I like it! It is a great look for you. :kuss:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Zack. on March 30, 2010, 11:15:02 PM
Having seen the caps of Brent/Caite and Louie/Michael in darkness (plus the flight mojo), I'm assuming there's (finally) an HoO bunch at the Snake Temple.
Penang's Site (http://www.penang.ws/penang-attractions/nature.htm) gives us this:
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Opening Hours (for the Temple): Daily, 07:00 – 19:00
which fits in with the lateish flight into Malaysia and the daytime racing. (and there looked to be some pretty long shadows in most of the caps, which suggest a morning run).
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: DrRox on March 30, 2010, 11:18:29 PM
Great job Hooky........
Of the 7 instances you listed............4 are the first task of the leg and 3 are the 3rd task, between the RB/DT or DT/RB part of the leg.
In Tar12, leg 8, it was first task, before Detour and RB.
In Tar 12, leg 10, it was between the RB and Detour.
In Tar 13, leg 7, it was after the RB and before the Detour.
So that means it is split almost 50/50.........at 5 as the first task and 4 times as between the DT/RB or RB/DT or the 3rd task for the NELed team.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2010, 11:45:20 PM
So ours could be just before our assumed RB as last task then? Does fit better geographically...thanks you two!!
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 30, 2010, 11:51:28 PM
OK, I'm feeling a little better about this. The Sri Singamuga Kaliamman temple sits right next to the Mutiara Beach resort. The still is about 6 min. into the floating-chariot-festival video here (http://video.earthvista.com/video/Tdy6bK_WgZA/Teluk-Bahang-Sea-Chariot.html).
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 31, 2010, 12:07:43 AM
It looks great to me Slowhatch!! Besides, we have to have a resort with TIARA in it's name. :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: redskevin88 on March 31, 2010, 01:37:21 AM
So ours could be just before our assumed RB as last task then? Does fit better geographically...thanks you two!!
Just my two cents, the speedbumps in TARLA occurred: 1: at the beginning of the leg (right after airport arrival) 2: just before receiving the clue to go to the Pit Stop 3: mid-way point of the leg (after doing DT & RB, but before lots of RI tasks)
though it looks like normal TAR is less extreme on speedbump positioning
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: DrRox on March 31, 2010, 02:57:36 AM
I'll go check those caps, but I think there were only 3 blurred ones....
No...it goes right to a big sun...this is the only one... But IS this Steve?? Looks right but I thought his shorts were darker...
Mam... they lost their bags in the previous legs remember? They're wearing borrowed clothing now....
After rewatching the previous episode. Steve and Allie have on the same exact clothes that they had on when they gave the fruit stand guy their bananas. Steve had on a black tshirt and khaki shorts. I suspect that he had his swim suit on underneath his shorts. That was a black swimsuit. I think that is what you remember Peach. His black shirt and khaki shorts are on the boat when they discuss going back to get their bags. I assume that production got all the other teams packs on their snorkling boats, cuz they are all shown on the boat ride to the submerged bottles. We just dont see production putting them on the boats. I also assume that production got them off the boats at Praelin, when the teams all had to swim ashore. So far, Steve and Allie dont appear to have borrowed any clothes or bought any replacements yet. Btw, when Steve and Allie swam to their boat.....they did not have their documents bag when they swam. Another indication that producton was there to get their stuff to the boat all nice and dry.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: DrRox on March 31, 2010, 03:59:36 AM
I just thought I would make a couple of observations. I wouldn't be surprised if Jet/Cort didnt breeze right through this task. You have to remember what J/C do for a living. They ride bucking stock. To do that, you have to have an incredible sense of balance. So I bet they have a lot of fun playing with the flags. Steve could probably do it, but I dont think Allie will be able to do it. So thats why they probably switch detour tasks, Peach.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 31, 2010, 07:54:11 AM
TAR 16 Leg 5: Right before Detour (first real task of Leg)
TAR 15 Leg 9: Right before Roadblock (first task of leg) TAR 15 Leg 11: Right before Roadblock (first task of leg)
TAR 14 Leg 6: Right before Detour, after Roadblock TAR 14 Leg 9: Before Roadblock and Detour
TAR 13 Leg 7: Right (before/after? - can someone verify please?) Detour, after Roadblock TAR 13 Leg 10: Right before Detour, after Roadblock
I won't go back further, but usually they are earlier in the leg rather than later. :tup:
Hooky, You have done a great job, so I have gone further back. This is not onerous, as SpeedBumps started with Amazing Race 12 and they were only two in that race. Kynt and Vyxsin had one in ep. 8 in Mumbai, the yoga exercises before the DETOUR or the ROADBLOCK. TK and Rachel had one in ep. 10, the firecracker run and hosing in central Taiwan, before the ROADBLOCK or DETOUR.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: apskip on March 31, 2010, 08:40:23 AM
Another indication that production was there to get their stuff to the boat all nice and dry.
That is fine, except that the bags were left not at the dock but back at the Turtle Toodle site 1.5 miles away. Was Production responsible for going back to get them? I don't think so. I expect that Production would have loaded onto the boat only items brought to the dock, but not anything left elsewhere.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: woden on March 31, 2010, 09:03:39 AM
Wow - you guys have been busy! FTR, I have updated the timeline for this episode on the first page of the Timelines thread if anyone is (understandably) still confused after digging through the thread.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 31, 2010, 09:21:28 AM
Thanks woden!! You are doing an amazingly wonderful job!! I look at that at least a few times a day! Thanks so much for doing that for us.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 31, 2010, 09:28:22 AM
ok, i have asked my friend on the locations (credited my friend yizhi on this)
Esplanade(note: chingay possessions in penang only held on certain period) (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/PENANG/PROMO%20vidcaps/TAR16ep8PROMOvidcaps0455.jpg) The rest my friend do not know
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: everbloom on March 31, 2010, 09:30:24 AM
That is fine, except that the bags were left not at the dock but back at the Turtle Toodle site 1.5 miles away. Was Production responsible for going back to get them? I don't think so. I expect that Production would have loaded onto the boat only items brought to the dock, but not anything left elsewhere.
hey. i'm new here so yeah.
anyway, i think apskip is right. but i think they'll eventually receive their stuff...just not in the next leg. just like what happened to toni/dallas in S13.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: DrRox on March 31, 2010, 09:36:56 AM
Another indication that production was there to get their stuff to the boat all nice and dry.
That is fine, except that the bags were left not at the dock but back at the Turtle Toodle site 1.5 miles away. Was Production responsible for going back to get them? I don't think so. I expect that Production would have loaded onto the boat only items brought to the dock, but not anything left elsewhere.
Here is the full quote, apskip. Guess you missed the part about "the documents bag" which WAS at the docks. Its around his neck when they turn in their bananas. Details, details, details.
Btw, when Steve and Allie swam to their boat.....they did not have their documents bag when they swam. Another indication that producton was there to get their stuff to the boat all nice and dry.
They are not shown swimming with their Amazing Race documents bag, but it is on the boat as they go to the bottle recovery area. So production must have put it on the boat along with his shorts and shirt, her pants and their shoes and socks. How do I know this? Because they are wearing them all in the screencaps from Penang. I did not say, nor even imply that production went back to the turtle toddle to get their backpacks. Guess you just assumed that.
As a footnote, I have no doubt, that production did pick up their backpacks at the Turtle Toddle, to return to them AFTER they are elminated or AFTER the race is over.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 31, 2010, 09:53:04 AM
If we are talking about what happened, let's do it here:
TAR 16 Leg 5: Right before Detour (first real task of Leg)
TAR 15 Leg 9: Right before Roadblock (first task of leg) TAR 15 Leg 11: Right before Roadblock (first task of leg)
TAR 14 Leg 6: Right before Detour, after Roadblock TAR 14 Leg 9: Before Roadblock and Detour
TAR 13 Leg 7: Right (before/after? - can someone verify please?) Detour, after Roadblock TAR 13 Leg 10: Right before Detour, after Roadblock
I won't go back further, but usually they are earlier in the leg rather than later. :tup:
Hooky, You have done a great job, so I have gone further back. This is not onerous, as SpeedBumps started with Amazing Race 12 and they were only two in that race. Kynt and Vyxsin had one in ep. 8 in Mumbai, the yoga exercises before the DETOUR or the ROADBLOCK. TK and Rachel had one in ep. 10, the firecracker run and hosing in central Taiwan, before the ROADBLOCK or DETOUR.
According to YakC here (http://homepage.mac.com/yakc/tv/tar12.html), TK and Rachel did the Speedbump AFTER the Roadblock and BEFORE the Detour.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 31, 2010, 10:57:28 AM
Esplanade(note: chingay possessions in penang only held on certain period) (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/PENANG/PROMO%20vidcaps/TAR16ep8PROMOvidcaps0455.jpg) The rest my friend do not know
Thank you Evan and thank Yizhi for us! Always nice to have another pair of eyes on the ground! Good confirmations. Would he like to make a site visit to the road near the temples?? The running teams are still not firm... :lol:
I don't think that Khoo Kongsi (http://www.penang-traveltips.com/leong-san-tong-khoo-kongsi.htm) is a match though, I think Neobie's Thnee Kong Thua (天公壇), or Altar of the Jade Emperor is a better photo match.
Will need to look at the beach/hotel photos too, the Mutiara looks pretty good.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 31, 2010, 11:01:24 AM
i can try, anyway a few relatives and i will be dropping by Penang on Saturday (Singapore Time)
Thank you Evan and thank Yizhi for us! Always nice to have another pair of eyes on the ground! Good confirmations. Would he like to make a site visit to the road near the temples?? The running teams are still not firm... :lol:
I don't think that Khoo Kongsi (http://www.penang-traveltips.com/leong-san-tong-khoo-kongsi.htm) is a match though, I think Neobie's Thnee Kong Thua (天公壇), or Altar of the Jade Emperor is a better photo match.
Will need to look at the beach/hotel photos too, the Mutiara looks pretty good.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: apskip on March 31, 2010, 11:11:05 AM
The ROADBLOCK was the rocking and underwater car in JiJi. One written source indicating that it was after the SpeedBump was the basis for my statement. However, with your different facts (and they can't both be right), I went to my Amazing Race 12, episode 10 tape to settle the issue. The SpeedBump occurred after Rachel finished the ROADBLOCK, so Dr. Rox is correct on this point of fact,
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 31, 2010, 11:12:12 AM
Here's a video of some recent coconut smashing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBiigzaJXyc) for the Thaipusam festival (check out the guy with the Iron Man pendant :lol:). As Evan noted, the dates aren't in sync (they rarely are).
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 31, 2010, 11:18:35 AM
Here's a video of some recent coconut smashing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBiigzaJXyc) for the Thaipusam festival (check out the guy with the Iron Man pendant :lol:). As Evan noted, the dates aren't in sync (they rarely are).
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 31, 2010, 11:31:19 AM
Here's a video of some recent coconut smashing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBiigzaJXyc) for the Thaipusam festival (check out the guy with the Iron Man pendant :lol:). As Evan noted, the dates aren't in sync (they rarely are).
I would think this would be a case of upper body strength too, right?? Or is there a knack to it?? I don't think I could throw one hard enough to have it do anything but toddle down the sand, lol.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Slowhatch on March 31, 2010, 11:37:24 AM
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Esplanade(note: chingay possessions in penang only held on certain period)
I was agreeing with you in general, not about a specific task. It would be great if production could take advantage of more local festivals, but whether it's tomato-throwing or coconut smashing, the race is stuck with its own timetable. As far as the temple goes, I found a better picture on this page (http://steptpg.blogspot.com/2009/10/travellers-talea-little-temple-by-sea.html), so I'm going to go ahead and call it. On a different topic: does anybody know what the greeter is holding?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 31, 2010, 11:43:34 AM
I was thinking it looked like some sort of little tin vials in the red tin. Is there some sort of an oil, or drink, or something that would be offered? ??? or maybe a candle?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on March 31, 2010, 11:59:37 AM
I think Slowhatch was referring to the Greeter's female companion.
nvm, peach beat me to it.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on March 31, 2010, 12:06:13 PM
What kind of food? Is it just a hostess welcome gift?? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: caper on March 31, 2010, 01:59:26 PM
If the spice garden is the speedbump, there is an area in the gardens where you can take cooking lessons - maybe the cowboys will have to prepare and/or eat a traditional food?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on March 31, 2010, 02:04:51 PM
I thought it was just find the guru in the swing :lol:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: caper on March 31, 2010, 02:31:46 PM
If the spice garden is the speedbump, there is an area in the gardens where you can take cooking lessons - maybe the cowboys will have to prepare and/or eat a traditional food?
Maybe prepare something like Ais Kachang or Teh Tarik for a judge, kind of like what Maria & Tiffany did for the speed bump in Season 15, it's a little more challenging....
Maybe prepare something like Ais Kachang or Teh Tarik for a judge, kind of like what Maria & Tiffany did for the speed bump in Season 15, it's a little more challenging....
My fantasy Malaysia leg had a Detour option of High Tea (pulling teh tarik) and Roti (spinning roti canai dough) in a coffee shop, but that's a whole other story... It does seem like a pretty lame Speed Bump if all they had to do was find the guru though. (I believe the term yogi applies to Hindis and Buddhists, but not Sikhs.)
Did Jet/Cord and Brent/Caite arrive on the same flight as everyone else? I haven't seen any of them together with the pack, and the only indication might be the cowboys' "Everyone else got taxis!" at the Snake Temple. I don't have the first preview, so I can't tell for sure...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: LoveRocked on March 31, 2010, 09:07:40 PM
What kind of food? Is it just a hostess welcome gift?? :lol:
Maybe.. I think Pit stop.. but Where is Phil is not here with greeting? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: apskip on March 31, 2010, 09:53:31 PM
A possibility is that it is a TBC and Phil has left for Singapore and allowed the "Keep Racing" instruction to be handed out by someone other than himself.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Paron on March 31, 2010, 10:56:01 PM
We know which two teams are undeniably toast before the F4. I just wanna know which of them is toast this Sunday, and which is toast next Sunday.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: everbloom on March 31, 2010, 11:54:54 PM
A possibility is that it is a TBC and Phil has left for Singapore and allowed the "Keep Racing" instruction to be handed out by someone other than himself.
That's possible, since we never had a 2 hour/TBC episode yet. But it's also kinda possible if those two are just for show for the promo (they just hid Phil from the shot) although they're still gonna be local greeters but the promo just focused exclusively on them for the sake of "exoticness" and "diversity" :duno:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: jerseydude on April 01, 2010, 12:00:04 AM
A possibility is that it is a TBC and Phil has left for Singapore and allowed the "Keep Racing" instruction to be handed out by someone other than himself.
That's possible, since we never had a 2 hour/TBC episode yet. But it's also kinda possible if those two are just for show for the promo (they just hid Phil from the shot) although they're still gonna be local greeters but the promo just focused exclusively on them for the sake of "exoticness" and "diversity" :duno:
It's impossible since it has been spoiled that Shanghai Leg 1 is an NEL. So these two legs are both EL.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on April 01, 2010, 12:01:54 AM
unless we have 2 legs in penang, but i see that as a impossible task
A possibility is that it is a TBC and Phil has left for Singapore and allowed the "Keep Racing" instruction to be handed out by someone other than himself.
That's possible, since we never had a 2 hour/TBC episode yet. But it's also kinda possible if those two are just for show for the promo (they just hid Phil from the shot) although they're still gonna be local greeters but the promo just focused exclusively on them for the sake of "exoticness" and "diversity" :duno:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: everbloom on April 01, 2010, 11:01:42 AM
unless we have 2 legs in penang, but i see that as a impossible task
According to spoilers after this leg is directly Singapore. Still, I can't imagine a 2-leg in Penang itself. If they want a 2-leg ep they might as well go to another city after the teams "check in" or put it on a different leg.
Side note: I wonder when the FF will come into play. It wouldn't be fair if the FF were on this leg since the cowboys would ultimately not be able to use it w/ the speed bump and all. Gosh, usually the FF will be like, midway (leg 5/6)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Caelestor on April 01, 2010, 06:50:17 PM
Side note: I wonder when the FF will come into play. It wouldn't be fair if the FF were on this leg since the cowboys would ultimately not be able to use it w/ the speed bump and all. Gosh, usually the FF will be like, midway (leg 5/6)
I wouldn't mind if the FF was finally phased out this season.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: everbloom on April 01, 2010, 10:49:22 PM
I wouldn't mind if the FF was finally phased out this season.
Actually, the FF is capable of giving us some entertainment. Like in TARA 2 when they were counting the bars. There were two teams doing it so it added to the "drama". lol.
Besides, it's ironic because some teams that do try to do the FF end up getting put in last place (Terrence/Sarah)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Dånooky on April 01, 2010, 11:22:12 PM
Besides, it's ironic because some teams that do try to do the FF end up getting put in last place (Terrence/Sarah)
That's why recently only one team goes for it (Season 15) or none of the teams wish to risk it (Season 14).
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Obbyz on April 01, 2010, 11:24:02 PM
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A possibility is that it is a TBC and Phil has left for Singapore and allowed the "Keep Racing" instruction to be handed out by someone other than himself.
I think Penang leg maybe a TBC , as we know that Steve & Allie and Carol & Brandy spotted at Singapore. And might be Singapore is a Double Elimination Leg which eliminated Steve & Allie and Carol & Brandy.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on April 01, 2010, 11:29:15 PM
A possibility is that it is a TBC and Phil has left for Singapore and allowed the "Keep Racing" instruction to be handed out by someone other than himself.
I think Penang leg maybe a TBC , as we know that Steve & Allie and Carol & Brandy spotted at Singapore. And might be Singapore is a Double Elimination Leg which eliminated Steve & Allie and Carol & Brandy.
That would be an interesting surprise, but I doubt it. Whoever gets eliminated on this leg will still race decoy in Singapore, which is likely why both teams were spotted there.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on April 02, 2010, 12:44:39 AM
A possibility is that it is a TBC and Phil has left for Singapore and allowed the "Keep Racing" instruction to be handed out by someone other than himself.
I think Penang leg maybe a TBC , as we know that Steve & Allie and Carol & Brandy spotted at Singapore. And might be Singapore is a Double Elimination Leg which eliminated Steve & Allie and Carol & Brandy.
That would be an interesting surprise, but I doubt it. Whoever gets eliminated on this leg will still race decoy in Singapore, which is likely why both teams were spotted there.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on April 02, 2010, 12:47:29 AM
actually, TAR3 also have a team that goes for the fast forward and ended up eliminated, dennis and andrew
I wouldn't mind if the FF was finally phased out this season.
Actually, the FF is capable of giving us some entertainment. Like in TARA 2 when they were counting the bars. There were two teams doing it so it added to the "drama". lol.
Besides, it's ironic because some teams that do try to do the FF end up getting put in last place (Terrence/Sarah)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: everbloom on April 02, 2010, 12:55:03 AM
sometimes it makes me wonder, does fast forward have an advantage
anyway back to topic guys
Ok sure. But just wanna say the advantage: it can bring a team to 1st place and give them a HUGE lead.
Back to the topic, after checking with the almighty Wikipedia, it's now highly unlikely that this leg is gonna be a TBC. I get the feeling we won't have a leg like that. Maybe we'll just have a 2-hour finale. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 02, 2010, 07:19:43 AM
For some reason I was thinking maybe Steve and Allie were at the Chingay task and switched to the Incense task.
But I think that is wrong, and wanted to see what y'all thought?
We have flight data of Dan/Jordan arr Penang at 1015, we know teams have to get a route info clue at the Snake Temple prob first.
Thanks to Kevin and Zhou, we know that Mike/Louie, Dan/Jordan, and Steve/Allie were seen at the wrong temple about 11 ish:
I looked at the pictures and one team was Mike and Louie - I believe they were the first to arrive. I'm pretty sure that the other team (the second to arrive) was the frat boys - the guy I stood next to was a young white guy who wasn't wearing a cowboy hat.
The third team was definitely a father/daughter team because the coordinator kept telling the daughter to make sure she stuck together with her dad.
From the previews, we also see that Steve and Allie are doing the Chingay (flag) detour.
So suppose it went something like this...
They try to find the correct temple for the Incense task and are unable...so switch to the Flag task.
Would that alone have been enough to cause them (IF it is them who fall behind) to drop behind?
Or I am wondering, after reading about Chingay, if this requires more upper body strength then Allie perhaps has. If she was unable to do the task, and then they had to do a double bald snark, then chances are they would be waaaay behind.
Do wonder if perhaps Dan and Jordan had better luck finding the correct temple?? Or if they too switched (the video of them at the temple made me think they were sticking together) but could do the flags because they were stronger...
This is all just spec, I was just wondering how it all fits together.
Maybe Chateau can give us some shadow times of Brandy/Carol carrying incense....
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 02, 2010, 07:50:56 AM
Okay, need some help from the team! I'm at work and can't do it...
I want to coerce Chateau into doing some shadow times for us...we have lots of yummy shadows this week!
But I need the exact location of each of our task locations, with a few other tourist type pics of each place, plotted out on a map so we can see exactly which way is North/South, and where teams are standing
These places if possible:
from the first preview:
the field where the flag task is the steps Jet and Cord are running down
From the second promo:
The place at the Incense task temple that Brandy and Cord are running past the Incense sticks, and also where they are carrying the sticks
The beach coconut task, the place in front of the Mutiara hotel where they are smashing...
Each of these locations has been identified, but if we can get each spot pinned down more exactly, I'll see if he can help us out with shadows.... but we need to get everything we can to help him, he is swamped right now!
Thanks guys...see what you can find by this evening , okay?? :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on April 02, 2010, 08:27:16 AM
Can't find good satellite imagery for the temple, but here's those from the first preview. North is always up.
The median line in the second map looks wrong, but I arrived at it using an extrapolation along the same road. Would definitely help if someone could double-check!
The sun is shining from the southeast in both photos, so both were shot before noon, I suppose?
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Post by: apskip on April 02, 2010, 11:30:03 AM
Besides, it's ironic because some teams that do try to do the FF end up getting put in last place (Terrence/Sarah)
That's why recently only one team goes for it (Season 15) or none of the teams wish to risk it (Season 14).
The only Fast Forward offered in AR15 was in Dubai going from the desert to the race track. Cheyne/Meghan had a reasonable lead leaving the desert, so all the other teams knew they could not beat them to the Fast Forward site.
Being anything but first at the Fast Forward site is usually the kiss of death (I can think off the top of my head that Rob/Amber beat it after the Orlando Cooling Station in the Johannesburg area in AR7 and Jon/Kelly did so after going for the Sepilok, Malaysia orangutan place in AR4, ep. 9.) Due to this risk in AR10 ep. 6, Dustin and Kandice were not willing to risk it in Kuwait when David/Mary get a clear lead on them.
To address the statement by Danooky, in AR14- ep. 7 I vaguely remember that the only FF was teams at the Phuket Zoo had the opportunity to buy presents for local charities from their own funds to participate in the Fast Forward, so none chose to do that.
AR13 ep. 8 in Almaty was that Terrence and Sarah started slightly behind Nick/Starr, but since Terrence had eaten no meat in many years he was either unable or very slow to produce any eating results. In ep. 4 Dan/Andrew chased after Ken/Tina on the Fast forward at the Auckland Sky Tower, but backed off at the last minute when they discovered they were behind.
In AR12 ep. 7 the Fast Forward getting a tattoo each at Fabio's Studio in Empoli Italy for Donald and Nicolas was the result of them leaving the aerodrome well ahead of all other teams and discouraging any from attempting it.
In AR3 ep. 6 in Marrakesh Flo/Zach dropped out when they arrived at the carpet merchant and discovered Ian/Terri and John Vito/Jill there ahead of them. Flo played a game of chance against Jill which Jill won to settle the question of who would compete and who would go on to regular tasks. However, since Aaron and Ariane were way behind, neither John Vito and Jill or Flo/Zach suffered serious consequences from going for it at least up to a point.
In AR2 ep. 2 Gary/Dave and Shola/Doyin were already inline to play volleyball when Peggy/Claire arrived and correctly discerned that they had no chance. They quickly dropped out rerouted to the regular tasks. In ep. 7 Mary/Peach attempted to reach first place with success at the Fast Forward, but they arrived after Gary/Dave had already won it. Thanks to slayton for this information in a post below.
So the thesis was that teams trying to capture the Fast Forward frequently lose as a result. In some cases, such as AR3, ep. 3 with Dennis and Andrew, it made no difference whether they went for the Fast Forward or not, as they were going to finish last in Scotland belief had was that teams no longer compete vigorously for the Fast Forward. In season 1 to 4, when there were many Fast Forwards offered each season, teams had more of a tendency to go for it. Teams recently have been more risk averse.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 02, 2010, 12:48:04 PM
Thanks Neobie!! Huge help!!
Can anyone else help with the beach/coconuts, the Incense temple, and the steps??
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on April 02, 2010, 01:30:58 PM
Here's the Mutiara beach, with North being straight up. You can see the angle of the beach. I'm not certain exactly where the coconut smashing is going on, but from the pictures of Louie, you can see that the area where they are breaking the coconuts appears to be set square to the beach. Meaning that the front edge of that area seems to be parallel to the beach.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on April 02, 2010, 05:10:04 PM
I'm also trying to find that little building behind Louie, but I'm not finding one that looks like a match. I don't have a great degree of confidence in this location.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: chill_sd on April 02, 2010, 05:59:36 PM
Hooky, if you look at the map in my post, you can see several clusters of trees along the shoreline. In Jet's picture, you can see grass on the south side of the smashing area. I'm wondering if this area might be directly north of the reddish building that is west of the Mutiara Resort buildings.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on April 02, 2010, 06:05:49 PM
Hooky, if you look at the map in my post, you can see several clusters of trees along the shoreline. In Jet's picture, you can see grass on the south side of the smashing area. I'm wondering if this area might be directly north of the reddish building that is west of the Mutiara Resort buildings.
Ooh, I think you're on to it! That looks a lot more likely IMO.
EDIT: I don't see evidence of that swimming pool, though. Maybe the wall was put up just for this task? ???
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Slowhatch on April 02, 2010, 06:37:21 PM
I'm thinking the task is in the circled area; the long buildings are the temple and the arrow points to the shed and tree seen behind Louie.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: slayton on April 02, 2010, 07:15:44 PM
AR14- ep. 7 I vaguely remember that teams at the Phuket Zoo had the opportunity to buy presents for local chairites from their own funds to participate in the Fast Forward, so none chose to do that.
Luke can probably confirm this, but I believe Mel & Mike said that the Fast Forward required teams to spend all of their money.
(I wouldn't expect any team to take such a huge gamble unless they were way behind.)
In TAR2, Mary & Peach went for the Face reading & Palm reading Fast Forward in Hong Kong, but Gary & Dave had already taken it.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 02, 2010, 09:07:13 PM
Tweet video!! screencaps coming!!
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Post by: georgiapeach on April 02, 2010, 09:24:55 PM
tweet Vid:
Quote
Could you balance a 35 foot flag on ur head while running through Malaysia? Only on AmazingRace SUN at 8 PM !!
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 02, 2010, 10:33:33 PM
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Kevin_Zhu on April 03, 2010, 12:51:02 AM
So how about this:
Land at the airport Go to somewhere and get the clue for the detour Go to detour (Dan & Jordan, Louie & Mike, Steve and Allie get a traffic jam while cowboys get to the flags and complete very fast, no idea where Carol & Brandy and Brent & Caite are) After detour, go for RB while cowboys should do the speedbump first After RB, go to pit stop...
Just guess.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: everbloom on April 03, 2010, 09:09:23 AM
Oh my gosh! Judging from the screencaps I think we can predict:
1. Some teams will get screwed by traffic and taxis. (I actually missed the Race traffic jams)
2. Those will give the cowboys a chance to make up ground.
Also, it seems Cord is having a rather easy time w/ the flags. It looks like it's Jet who's kinda struggling w/ the task. Just my observation.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Boingo on April 03, 2010, 09:28:14 AM
:lol3: Got it! Intersection of Jalan Anson & Jalan Macalister
Ghee Hiang (http://www.ghee-hiang.com/)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Boingo on April 03, 2010, 12:13:44 PM
:lol: no surprise, cowboys at Peranakan Mansion pitstop ;)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 03, 2010, 03:17:30 PM
Nice job Boingo!! I was wondering what that was!
But are they showing us the Intersection...or the Sesame oil place?? Traffic jam maybe?? Or do we have something at Ghee Hiang?? ???
And nice match on the confessional!! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on April 03, 2010, 04:14:39 PM
Peach, I think you might be reading too much into things! :lol:
Not sure if it is slightly disrespectful to have confessionals in front of the ancestral altar...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 03, 2010, 04:25:21 PM
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 03, 2010, 09:22:53 PM
PIP video:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Slowhatch on April 03, 2010, 09:31:27 PM
Thanks, Peach. The promo view of Kek Lok Si roughly matches this Panoramio (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/29181217) shot from Jalan Air Hatam. I don't know...when the cabdriver told them 4-5 minutes walk he may underestimated a bit. (haven't found the coffee shop yet)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on April 03, 2010, 09:54:35 PM
hey, you are correct, Kek Lok Si Temple indeed is in Jalan Air Hatam, what coffee shop?
Thanks, Peach. The promo view of Kek Lok Si roughly matches this Panoramio (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/29181217) shot from Jalan Air Hatam. I don't know...when the cabdriver told them 4-5 minutes walk he may underestimated a bit. (haven't found the coffee shop yet)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Slowhatch on April 03, 2010, 09:57:58 PM
This one; I don't know if "ju huat" is a district or somebody's name.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on April 03, 2010, 09:59:49 PM
huat, is lucky in chinese, ju, could be joo in normal term, but they short-formed to ju edited, kedai is a place in malaysia
This one; I don't know if "ju huat" is a district or somebody's name.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on April 03, 2010, 11:06:40 PM
Ju Huat (裕发/裕發) is just the name of the establishment, translates into 'abundance and prosperity.' I've searched through the Yellow Pages in both English and Chinese, no luck so far. Found a blog mention (in Chinese) noting that our coffee shop in question is walking distance from the KFC in Sunshine Jelutong...
Slowhatch's got the meaning of kedai kopi; for the rest of us: kedai means shop, kopi means coffee, which makes... coffee shop. *duh*
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Boingo on April 04, 2010, 10:34:15 AM
:lol: try a different spelling of "Jalan Air Hitam", Slowhatch. You get more pix if you google "Jalan Air Itam" or "Jalan Ayer Itam". IMO the previews may be in a Indian part of town, more subdued shop signs than Chinatown shops. :duno: ;)
FWIW, an interesting link (http://www.penang-traveltips.com/air-itam-village.htm)
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: DianeC on April 04, 2010, 11:16:50 AM
What is a PIP video and it doesn't work for me..Is it just a screenshot, cuz it's all black and no where to push to start!
Thx Evan for trying...Nothing video works for me except UTube...I have done all you say, but since my Windows downloaded SP3 and i had to get it removed, I can't see any other videos, but UTube! PIMB
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Post by: Chateau d If on April 04, 2010, 03:16:13 PM
Sorry to be of no help here. I've working on this for a while now but I have to clock out. Not enough time to get the resolution needed to sort out the teams.
is called the Ti Kong Temple (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/12720464) at least by one tourist. Note the matching swastika fretwork. But the tourist did not place the shot correctly in GE.
Boingo's picture of the entrance to "Chang Qing Pavillion" is a perfect match. Two names, same place? :duno: But Boingo's GE spot for the shot does not match as best as I can tell. (gone now) And I can't find it either :groan:!
All I can find is where it looks like it is but the satelite image is so old that it is just a grassy spot when it was taken.
That's the thing I need for getting time though.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on April 04, 2010, 03:25:22 PM
It's all the same place! :lol: We're running in circles around something we found all the way back on Page 6!
Chang Qing Pavillion (長慶殿, Changqing Dian, Palace of Eternal Celebration) is a building within the temple compound called Thnee Kong Thua (天公壇, Tiangong Tan, Altar of the Jade Emperor). Ti Kong is just another transliteration of Thnee Kong...
The temple was recently renovated and the steps are newly added, so we can't find it on GE. The temple buildings themselves are at the bottom of Chateau's map image, where the "Penang Hill" label is. Since the steps are exactly perpendicular to the temple gates running down to the street, we can easily plot it out on the imagery we have...
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Neobie on April 04, 2010, 03:54:52 PM
Testing out my rudimentary mathematical skills... The stairs of the temple (refer to map in above post) are angled at 23° clockwise from a East-West orientation, while the shadows in the Carol/Brandy shot are angled approximately 21° from the stairway. The sun is therefore shining at 90°+23°+21°=134° clockwise of North. Putting this angle into our racing date of 14 Dec gives us an approximate time of 11.07am.
The following analysis assumes that the rack of incense is placed parallel to the stone wall of the temple. The angle between the shadow and the rack falls at around 48°. The complementary angle of 48° is 42° (as the wall is perpendicular to the stairs). This leads us to the sun shining at an angle of 90°+23°+42°=155° clockwise of North. The resultant time of 12.18pm may not be precise, but I can postulate that Carol/Brandy are ahead of Daniel/Jordan.
Note that Malaysia has a single time zone and that Penang is almost as far west as you can go on Peninsula Malaysia, meaning that the sun doesn't shine from straight south until about 1.14pm.
Waits for the episode to prove the utter incompetence of my basic geometry... :lol:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 04, 2010, 04:16:17 PM
Thank you Chateau and Neobie!! :hearts:
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Post by: gator27 on April 04, 2010, 04:21:39 PM
Hmmmm. I've been curious why Phil asked a few teams who they would like to see out of the race. And the answer was Carol & Brandy. What was that foreshadowing? Carol & Brandy in first place or last?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Kiwi Jay on April 04, 2010, 05:09:20 PM
Maybe Steve and Allie are eliminated this episode and Carol and Brandy, 5th
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Post by: georgiapeach on April 04, 2010, 07:00:51 PM
I think that the shots of the coconut smash may tell us quite a lot...
Who has the most? Who does not?? :tup:
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Post by: Evan_Weinstein on April 04, 2010, 09:25:26 PM
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Plaidmoon on April 05, 2010, 01:28:54 AM
I was curious as to just how hot and humid it was in Penang while the racers were doing the incense carry at the temple since a couple of them mentioned how hot it was. I looked up the weather for Penang on December 12th - 14th and it was pretty much the same each day.
Dec. 12th: High 90 Low 77 1 PM: Temp 90 Dew Point 73 Humidity 59% Wind SE 3.5 mph
Dec. 13th: High 91 Low 77 1 PM: Temp 90 Dew Point 72 Humidity 55% Wind E 8.1 mph
Dec. 14th: High 91 Low 78 1 PM: Temp 91 Dew Point 73 Humidity 55% Wind NE 9.2 mph
I don't know if we ever nailed down the date exactly, but the Singapore episode thread mentions Dec. 16th as the date there, so Dec. 14th sounds likeliest for Penang. The wind matches up with what Jet and Cord had for the flag balancing task. In any case, the weather would have been hot and humid but not unbearably so. I'd say the comments were due to the fact that most of the racers weren't used to the combination of heat and humidity. Brent and Caite are from South Carolina, so they probably were (and I don't remember them complaining). Jet and Cord probably see a days like that in Oklahoma, but they didn't do the lifting and stair climbing. They don't seem like the types to complain much about it anyway.
Plaidmoon
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on April 05, 2010, 02:23:01 AM
the normal singapore and malaysia weather is about 25 degrees low and 32 degrees high, it could reach up to 35 at some point
I was curious as to just how hot and humid it was in Penang while the racers were doing the incense carry at the temple since a couple of them mentioned how hot it was. I looked up the weather for Penang on December 12th - 14th and it was pretty much the same each day.
Dec. 12th: High 90 Low 77 1 PM: Temp 90 Dew Point 73 Humidity 59% Wind SE 3.5 mph
Dec. 13th: High 91 Low 77 1 PM: Temp 90 Dew Point 72 Humidity 55% Wind E 8.1 mph
Dec. 14th: High 91 Low 78 1 PM: Temp 91 Dew Point 73 Humidity 55% Wind NE 9.2 mph
I don't know if we ever nailed down the date exactly, but the Singapore episode thread mentions Dec. 16th as the date there, so Dec. 14th sounds likeliest for Penang. The wind matches up with what Jet and Cord had for the flag balancing task. In any case, the weather would have been hot and humid but not unbearably so. I'd say the comments were due to the fact that most of the racers weren't used to the combination of heat and humidity. Brent and Caite are from South Carolina, so they probably were (and I don't remember them complaining). Jet and Cord probably see a days like that in Oklahoma, but they didn't do the lifting and stair climbing. They don't seem like the types to complain much about it anyway.
Plaidmoon
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Plaidmoon on April 05, 2010, 04:11:04 AM
I was curious as to just how hot and humid it was in Penang while the racers were doing the incense carry at the temple since a couple of them mentioned how hot it was. I looked up the weather for Penang on December 12th - 14th and it was pretty much the same each day.
Dec. 12th: High 90 Low 77 1 PM: Temp 90 Dew Point 73 Humidity 59% Wind SE 3.5 mph
Dec. 13th: High 91 Low 77 1 PM: Temp 90 Dew Point 72 Humidity 55% Wind E 8.1 mph
Dec. 14th: High 91 Low 78 1 PM: Temp 91 Dew Point 73 Humidity 55% Wind NE 9.2 mph
I don't know if we ever nailed down the date exactly, but the Singapore episode thread mentions Dec. 16th as the date there, so Dec. 14th sounds likeliest for Penang. The wind matches up with what Jet and Cord had for the flag balancing task. In any case, the weather would have been hot and humid but not unbearably so. I'd say the comments were due to the fact that most of the racers weren't used to the combination of heat and humidity. Brent and Caite are from South Carolina, so they probably were (and I don't remember them complaining). Jet and Cord probably see a days like that in Oklahoma, but they didn't do the lifting and stair climbing. They don't seem like the types to complain much about it anyway.
Plaidmoon
25C = 77F and 32C = 89.6F so the racers were seeing typical temperatures, maybe very slightly warm for that area. 35C = 95F so it could have been a few degrees Fahrenheit warmer for us Celsius challenged Americans. :ascared
Plaidmoon
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on April 05, 2010, 04:55:31 AM
so far in singapore or malaysia, the lowest temp is 23, but not seen in the month of dec, and highest can go up to 35, normally it will be either 32 or 33
FYI: this temp is not observed at Cameron Highlands and Genting
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: gator27 on April 05, 2010, 06:45:06 AM
Wow. The leader board turn itself upside down from the last leg.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: ugot2bekidinmeny on April 06, 2010, 01:12:00 PM
:rodeo way to go cowboys!!! :tup:
it took me a while to find a favorite after of course jeff and jordan but these guys are so darn chipper and positive about it all they deserve to win!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Ruth on April 07, 2010, 07:19:29 AM
This is one interesting leg isn't it. Compare the placements with the previous leg, every team had a symmetrical switch! The first became last and vice versa, second became fifth and vice versa, third became fourth and vice versa. Just a random observation on my part lol.
Jet and Cord were amazing. They started off rough, not able to get a cab and all. But did they make up a whole lot of time at the Detour! What was the most amazing was that even after completing the Speed Bump and Roadblock, no team was there yet. This must be the first in TAR history. Amazing!
I'm sad that Steve and Allie are gone. With that, I'm rooting for Jet and Cord and Dan and Jordan now.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: apskip on April 07, 2010, 09:02:47 AM
Just poking around, I have discovered something that calls into question the research carried out in design of tasks by World Race Productions well in advance of the actual running and editing of Amazing Race 16, episode 8 in Penang:
The Thnee Kong Thua (or alternate spelling Thni Kong Tnua) is unique in that it is a Taoist temple managed by Buddhist monks.
Huh? Buddhist Tradition in a Taoist temple? Buddhist Temples in Penang are mostly Thai and Burmese in origin, although there are also some Mahayana Buddhist temples of the Chinese. there are Buddhist temples in Penang.
Here is a list of 14 Buddhist temples WRP could have considered:
Beow Hiang Lim Temple Dhammikarama Burmese Temple Heong Giam Si Temple Huat Huah Liam Temple Ku Cheng Tse Temple Mahindarama Buddhist Temple Malaysian Buddhist Meditation Centre Penang Buddhist Association Than Hsiang Temple Wat Buppharam Wat Chaiyamangkalaram Wat Nai Wat Photichareantham Wat Pinbang Onn
Weren't there any of those available on December 14? Why was a Taoist temple chosen instead?
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 07, 2010, 06:42:22 PM
I think that is strange too...Neobie pointed it out as soon as we identified the temple, but there doesn't seem to be a good answer.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Cocoa on April 07, 2010, 07:04:12 PM
Maybe to suit the Detour option of bringing the Giant Incense. The structure of the temple (the 153 stairs up) gives that detour option it's edge, that's why *maybe* the WRP chose the location
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: theschnauzers on April 08, 2010, 02:30:29 PM
I'm pretty sure the physical aspects of the location had far more to do with the choice that the specific cultural aspects of the temple.
I also wanted to relay some information that I learned from a Penang resident at a non-TAR board (that one does discuss popular culture extensively though, and quite a few of the regulars are TAR fabs, This resident mention that the airport cabs in Penang are only permitted to take passengers from the airport to one location, and then they have to return to the airport. That would explain the problem Jet-Cord had with the taxi at the first clue box in Penang, This resident also mentioned that once in the city, taxis are plentiful aqnd it never takes long to get a taxi. I'll leave it to the Penang residents here to confirm this, but I thought I should mention it and see what y'all thought.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: Hooky on April 09, 2010, 10:16:49 PM
Did anyone ever catch Jordan in the sighting video at the Penang temple? You can see him in the background at about 12 seconds in right before the camera zooms up at the temple.
Title: Re: TAR16 - EP 8: You're Like Jason Bourne, Right? (Malaysia)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 09, 2010, 11:09:32 PM
yes...we discussed that at length in the spoilers at the time. Good eye!