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The Amazing Race => The Amazing Race Discussion => Topic started by: misterblah on January 27, 2010, 09:21:44 AM
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I don't think so considering none of these teams look like they can pull off a Dustin and Kandice or Jaime and Cara. However, the lesbians and the moms look like they can pull off a lyn and karlyn or charla and mirna. who knows. :duno: we'll have to wait and find out!
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i have the most faith in Carol/Brandy (dating couple) making it the farthest
but i just love Monique/Shawne (moms) :hearts:
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I predict Carol & Brandy are going to win. It may sound early to declare that, but they have the winners "aura."
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I predict Carol & Brandy are going to win. It may sound early to declare that, but they have the winners "aura."
Yes. They are quite confident about themselves, and really can't wait for Feb 14th!! I'm just loving the F/F cast, and if some of those 3 teams make it into the F3, all the episodes in this season will be very exciting!!
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I think if any of the all female teams are going to win, it will be Monique and Shawne. Mothers in TAR all have a history of punching above their weight (Linda & Karen, Toni, Margie in particular)
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I guess so :duno: We'll see if an all female team won or probably it could happen in the next season
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I don't think so considering none of these teams look like they can pull off a Dustin and Kandice or Jaime and Cara. However, the lesbians and the moms look like they can pull off a lyn and karlyn or charla and mirna. who knows. :duno: we'll have to wait and find out!
They don't need to pull off a previous team, they need a new team, a F/F team that can finally win this. :yess:
And yes, judging by my avatar, I am rooting for Carol & Brandy. I just felt it too. And I LOVE all the F/F teams this season <3 <3
But I think Carol & Brandy are more on the Dustin & Kandice side, from what I've seen in CBS vids at this moment. But I hope they're still neither (read my 1st sentence =) ).
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I think that the several international adaptations has proven that F/F teams can do very well in the race and also win while young and fit M/M (in the American version it's like an automatic finale 5 placement) can also do very badly.
In my opinion the American version have problems with their casting process. Last season Maria and Tiffany didn't have a chance in hell, in this season, while all the M/M teams have a big winning potential besides Carol & Brandy the other two F/F teams don't have a chance, Grandma will probably make good TV (and I do consider her as a good casting choice) but a weak racer and the lawyer ladies are not aggressive enough.
CBS should not have a probelem to cast a more cohesive teams if they change their audition parameters and addapt the actual race to the abilities of those teams. Right now almost every task is more suited to Male participants than female, if the show adapt more female oriented task, such as high heels races (a task that also make excellent TV) that are popular in several places, F/F team could have a better chance.
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high heel races?? Omg...please say you are being sarcatic. :groan:
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last season i only saw one set of tasks that were severely male oriented
that was the Detour in the Netherlands.
from what i saw, they struggled because Tiffany did all the work, while Maria was a safe distance away (but still in the shot). The Detour in HCMC is a perfect example. Why was Tiffany the only one lugging the animal around?
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high heel races?? Omg...please say you are being sarcatic. :groan:
No, I think it's going to be totally hilarious
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Monique & Shawne FTW!
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Monique & Shawne FTW!
Yep! They are my favorite F/F team this race! :tup:
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Monique & Shawne FTW!
Yep! They are my favorite F/F team this race! :tup:
I do believe that this cast has lots of chances for F/F teams, IMO. I just hope they can make it far.
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They need to bring Dustin & Kandice and/or Cara & Jaime back again
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They need to bring Dustin & Kandice and/or Cara & Jaime back again
Even Kisha & Jen could give them a run for their money! Or Linda & Karen! :tup:
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They need to bring Dustin & Kandice and/or Cara & Jaime back again
Even Kisha & Jen could give them a run for their money! Or Linda & Karen! :tup:
Kisha & Jen?! I disagree. :neener:
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They need to bring Dustin & Kandice and/or Cara & Jaime back again
Even Kisha & Jen could give them a run for their money! Or Linda & Karen! :tup:
That fact that a team made it to the final 4 doesn't automatically make them a strong team, both Kisha & Jen and Jaime & Cara were extremely lucky in their seasons. Especially the sisters, they gave Dan & Andrew a run for their money in the stupid mistakes department.
If either one of those teams would be cast to a second season I doubt that they are going to do well.
I would like to see Lynnette & Karlyn have another shot, I think they are going to do a lot better without Erwin & Goodwin and Mary & Dave.
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That fact that a team made it to the final 4 doesn't automatically make them a strong team, both Kisha & Jen and Jaime & Cara were extremely lucky in their seasons. Especially the sisters, they gave Dan & Andrew a run for their money in the stupid mistakes department.
If either one of those teams would be cast to a second season I doubt that they are going to do well.
I would like to see Lynnette & Karlyn have another shot, I think they are going to do a lot better without Erwin & Goodwin and Mary & Dave.
Are you saying that Lyn & Karlyn are a strong team? I highly doubt that. And I hope to never watch them on TV again. They may be nice people in real life, but let's not put Karlyn on the race again.
Kisha & Jen and Jaime & Cara, while not strong teams, are certainly stronger than Lyn & Karlyn ever were.
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That fact that a team made it to the final 4 doesn't automatically make them a strong team, both Kisha & Jen and Jaime & Cara were extremely lucky in their seasons. Especially the sisters, they gave Dan & Andrew a run for their money in the stupid mistakes department.
If either one of those teams would be cast to a second season I doubt that they are going to do well.
I would like to see Lynnette & Karlyn have another shot, I think they are going to do a lot better without Erwin & Goodwin and Mary & Dave.
Are you saying that Lyn & Karlyn are a strong team? I highly doubt that. And I hope to never watch them on TV again. They may be nice people in real life, but let's not put Karlyn on the race again.
Kisha & Jen and Jaime & Cara, while not strong teams, are certainly stronger than Lyn & Karlyn ever were.
Yeah, Lyn and Karlyn were in no way the "strong team" in that alliance. If Erwin and Godwin hadn't teamed up with them then E/G probably would've performed better, NOT L/K
and I think both Kisha and Jen and Jaime and Cara would be just fine a second time around
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I think Karlyn is the worst thing to happen to the show, in my humble opinion. I would rather watch paint dry. :res:
They need to bring Dustin & Kandice and/or Cara & Jaime back again
Even Kisha & Jen could give them a run for their money! Or Linda & Karen! :tup:
Kisha & Jen?! I disagree. :neener:
:lol3:
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I think Kisha and Jen could easily make it to the final four or five again. Yes they did leave their packs behind, forcing them to run barefoot in the streets of Thailand. But unless you count severe hydrophobia, an inopportune bathroom break (along with the taxi dropping them off on the wrong side of the stadium) and difficulty driving a stick shift as big mistakes, they ran a reasonably clean race.
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I think that the several international adaptations has proven that F/F teams can do very well in the race and also win while young and fit M/M (in the American version it's like an automatic finale 5 placement) can also do very badly.
In my opinion the American version have problems with their casting process. Last season Maria and Tiffany didn't have a chance in hell, in this season, while all the M/M teams have a big winning potential besides Carol & Brandy the other two F/F teams don't have a chance, Grandma will probably make good TV (and I do consider her as a good casting choice) but a weak racer and the lawyer ladies are not aggressive enough.
CBS should not have a probelem to cast a more cohesive teams if they change their audition parameters and addapt the actual race to the abilities of those teams. Right now almost every task is more suited to Male participants than female, if the show adapt more female oriented task, such as high heels races (a task that also make excellent TV) that are popular in several places, F/F team could have a better chance.
:umn: I agree with realshow fan... these women don't need to pull off a previous team. Why focus on what was instead of what is?? These women all seem talented and intelligent, but lets face it, the race favors men over women! That's why an f/f team has yet to win, and I doubt they ever will, at least not in America. Sure, luck and a smidgeon of street smarts, (or at least the ability to read and follow directions), helps, but the majority of the challenges are about guts, brute strength and speed over calm, intelligence and finesse. Thats not to say women can't do anything they set they're minds to, but isn't it really a questions of physics: 2 men who can lift over 100lbs each are an obviously stronger team than 2 women who can lift only 50lbs each! Intelligence isn't going to help these women, not in the individual challenges, and not in the race as a whole, as both men and other women, culturally in the U.S., are threatened by a woman who is intelligent. The race stereotypes women: moms/sisters , babes, bimbos and bitches. Is it a surprise that in the early promos for the race the only 2 women to be prominently featured are young Barbie look a likes who are not known for their IQs?? Where are the strong, intelligent women?? Ignored and marginalized b/c a Barbie brawl makes better TV? Give me a break!!!
BTW I think running an entire leg of the race in high heels would be fabulous!! The women have to dress in men's clothes AND shoes all the time!!! Lets see it reversed!! :lol:
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I think that the several international adaptations has proven that F/F teams can do very well in the race and also win while young and fit M/M (in the American version it's like an automatic finale 5 placement) can also do very badly.
In my opinion the American version have problems with their casting process. Last season Maria and Tiffany didn't have a chance in hell, in this season, while all the M/M teams have a big winning potential besides Carol & Brandy the other two F/F teams don't have a chance, Grandma will probably make good TV (and I do consider her as a good casting choice) but a weak racer and the lawyer ladies are not aggressive enough.
CBS should not have a probelem to cast a more cohesive teams if they change their audition parameters and addapt the actual race to the abilities of those teams. Right now almost every task is more suited to Male participants than female, if the show adapt more female oriented task, such as high heels races (a task that also make excellent TV) that are popular in several places, F/F team could have a better chance.
:umn: I agree with realshow fan... these women don't need to pull off a previous team. Why focus on what was instead of what is?? These women all seem talented and intelligent, but lets face it, the race favors men over women! That's why an f/f team has yet to win, and I doubt they ever will, at least not in America. Sure, luck and a smidgeon of street smarts, (or at least the ability to read and follow directions), helps, but the majority of the challenges are about guts, brute strength and speed over calm, intelligence and finesse. Thats not to say women can't do anything they set they're minds to, but isn't it really a questions of physics: 2 men who can lift over 100lbs each are an obviously stronger team than 2 women who can lift only 50lbs each! Intelligence isn't going to help these women, not in the individual challenges, and not in the race as a whole, as both men and other women, culturally in the U.S., are threatened by a woman who is intelligent. The race stereotypes women: moms/sisters , babes, bimbos and bitches. Is it a surprise that in the early promos for the race the only 2 women to be prominently featured are young Barbie look a likes who are not known for their IQs?? Where are the strong, intelligent women?? Ignored and marginalized b/c a Barbie brawl makes better TV? Give me a break!!!
BTW I think running an entire leg of the race in high heels would be fabulous!! The women have to dress in men's clothes AND shoes all the time!!! Lets see it reversed!! :lol:
While some of this is true, some of it has also been proven false.
Hands up everybody who thought Dustin and Kandice would turn out to be another dumb blonde team *raises hand*
If anything, the bimbo stereotype has been destroyed by the race (sans Kami and Karli, maybe). And the race has also shown that women can perform just as well as the men. Think about the final four of All Stars, especially, two gay men, two beauty queens, a little person and her cousin, and a frat boy/sorority sister combo. If that doesn't show that all people are created equal, I don't know what does.
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and if you think about it, very few F/F teams were eliminated because they weren't strong enough or fast enough
Kim and Leslie - got lost on the streets of Paris
Pat and Brenda - went to the wrong museum
Nancy and Emily - quit the detour and recieved a 24 hour penalty
Deidre and Hillary - were just unlucky to always be in back of the pack
Peggy and Claire - bad flight connection
Mary and Peach - got lost in Hong Kong
Gina and Sylvia - suffered a similar fate to Deidre and Hillary, unlucky to be in back of pack
Heather and Eve - misread a clue resulting in a 30ish minute penalty and their elimination
Monica and Sheree - fell behind at a luck based detour and couldn't catch up
Tian and Jaree - were the first to be eliminated because a task was primarily for guys
Charla and Mirna - bad flights, couldn't catch up
Kami and Karli - fell behind at the detour, couldn't catch up
Linda and Karen - eliminated due to male oriented task, but were the reason for the rule of no team member can perform more than 6 Roadblocks
Meredith and Maria - stick shift FAIL
Lena and Kristy - were very unlucky at the Hay Bale Roadblock, but apparently missed 4 clues, so they're not observant either
Megan and Heidi - stuck at the back of the pack
Debbie and Bianca - got lost in Chile
Godlewski Family - couldn't build a teepee, or find golf balls along a golf course
Lisa and Joni - stuck in the back
Wanda and Desiree - I'm not sure, because I haven't seen this episode (or most of this season...)
Danielle and Dani - Yielded
Kellie and Jamie - had trouble aiming in the Roadblock
Dustin and Kandice - too far behind to catch up to everyone else
Lyn and Karlyn - got a bad flight on the final leg
Dustin and Kandice/ Charla and Mirna - beat out in the end by a luckier team at the final task
Kate and Pat - too slow in the Netherlands
Mariana and Julia - inadvertently helped the team that ended up eliminating them
Shana and Jennifer - had trouble on the Roadblock and then got lost on top of that
Marisa and Brooke - got lost in New Zealand
Kelly and Christy - the number detour did them in
Christie and Jodi - got lost in Russia and couldn't make up the NEL penalty in India
Kisha and Jen - pee break, and it didn't help that they got lost a couple hours, as well as U-turned
Cara and Jaime - out-smarted at the final task which was a memory task
Maria and Tiffany - weren't strong enough at either Detour, one of only 3 or 4 F/F teams to fall due to a "male bias"
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While some of this is true, some of it has also been proven false.
Hands up everybody who thought Dustin and Kandice would turn out to be another dumb blonde team *raises hand*
If anything, the bimbo stereotype has been destroyed by the race (sans Kami and Karli, maybe). And the race has also shown that women can perform just as well as the men. Think about the final four of All Stars, especially, two gay men, two beauty queens, a little person and her cousin, and a frat boy/sorority sister combo. If that doesn't show that all people are created equal, I don't know what does.
I agree. *raises hand*
I actually vividly remember predicting in TAR 10 that Dustin & Kandice would finish in 8th place or lower. I honestly had no clue that they were capable of doing so well, and I certainly didn't pick them as one of my favorites in the beginning, mostly because I compared them to Danielle & Dani, who were kind of annoying and not very strong. However, since the only other race I had seen before TAR 10 was TAR 9, I naturally though every race would happen just as predictably as that one did. Boy did it throw me off when Dustin & Kandice and Lyn & Karlyn went way far and Vipul & Arti fell out in 11th!
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No way, otherwise BVM would have said a record was broken this race..
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No way, otherwise BVM would have said a record was broken this race..
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That's true. He usually can't keep his mouth shut. :lol:
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I just believe that tasks this time will not be male orented again. I just hope they can just arrange tasks that can be performed by men and by women.
It wold be great to see a Detour involving women oriented tasks and see male teams struggled there...
I just feel that getting Maria & Tiffany-ed is not fair. Not because it was them, but just it is not fair.
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I just believe that tasks this time will not be male orented again. I just hope they can just arrange tasks that can be performed by men and by women.
It wold be great to see a Detour involving women oriented tasks and see male teams struggled there...
I just feel that getting Maria & Tiffany-ed is not fair. Not because it was them, but just it is not fair.
I think if Maria did more than give love taps to the golf balls and the strength tester, she and Tiffany may well have edged out Brian and Ericka in that leg.
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I just believe that tasks this time will not be male orented again. I just hope they can just arrange tasks that can be performed by men and by women.
It wold be great to see a Detour involving women oriented tasks and see male teams struggled there...
I just feel that getting Maria & Tiffany-ed is not fair. Not because it was them, but just it is not fair.
I think if Maria did more than give love taps to the golf balls and the strength tester, she and Tiffany may well have edged out Brian and Ericka in that leg.
Agreed. And if they had really been properly prepared for the race (and had properly applied without pressure from producers who wanted them more than they wanted to be on the show themselves), this minor strength task wouldn't have been an issue. I don't think the tasks need to be less difficult. Surely there are plenty of women in America capable of doing much better than Maria & Tiffany. All that needs to be reformed is the casting process. Instead of getting the physically weak "celebrities," try getting average American women who are in shape and are actually a threat to the other teams.
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I just believe that tasks this time will not be male orented again. I just hope they can just arrange tasks that can be performed by men and by women.
It wold be great to see a Detour involving women oriented tasks and see male teams struggled there...
I just feel that getting Maria & Tiffany-ed is not fair. Not because it was them, but just it is not fair.
I think if Maria did more than give love taps to the golf balls and the strength tester, she and Tiffany may well have edged out Brian and Ericka in that leg.
Agreed. And if they had really been properly prepared for the race (and had properly applied without pressure from producers who wanted them more than they wanted to be on the show themselves), this minor strength task wouldn't have been an issue. I don't think the tasks need to be less difficult. Surely there are plenty of women in America capable of doing much better than Maria & Tiffany. All that needs to be reformed is the casting process. Instead of getting the physically weak "celebrities," try getting average American women who are in shape and are actually a threat to the other teams.
Imagine how a team full of Rebeccas (From series 6) would do.
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I just believe that tasks this time will not be male orented again. I just hope they can just arrange tasks that can be performed by men and by women.
It wold be great to see a Detour involving women oriented tasks and see male teams struggled there...
I just feel that getting Maria & Tiffany-ed is not fair. Not because it was them, but just it is not fair.
I think if Maria did more than give love taps to the golf balls and the strength tester, she and Tiffany may well have edged out Brian and Ericka in that leg.
Agreed. And if they had really been properly prepared for the race (and had properly applied without pressure from producers who wanted them more than they wanted to be on the show themselves), this minor strength task wouldn't have been an issue. I don't think the tasks need to be less difficult. Surely there are plenty of women in America capable of doing much better than Maria & Tiffany. All that needs to be reformed is the casting process. Instead of getting the physically weak "celebrities," try getting average American women who are in shape and are actually a threat to the other teams.
Imagine how a team full of Rebeccas (From series 6) would do.
That would certainly be great! :tup:
Or a team full of Loris (same season) not only would they be ridiculously strong, they'd also provide the great bickering! That's a match made in heaven! :lol:
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and if you think about it, very few F/F teams were eliminated because they weren't strong enough or fast enough
Kim and Leslie - got lost on the streets of Paris
Pat and Brenda - went to the wrong museum
Nancy and Emily - quit the detour and recieved a 24 hour penalty
Deidre and Hillary - were just unlucky to always be in back of the pack
Peggy and Claire - bad flight connection
Mary and Peach - got lost in Hong Kong
Gina and Sylvia - suffered a similar fate to Deidre and Hillary, unlucky to be in back of pack
Heather and Eve - misread a clue resulting in a 30ish minute penalty and their elimination
Monica and Sheree - fell behind at a luck based detour and couldn't catch up
Tian and Jaree - were the first to be eliminated because a task was primarily for guys
Charla and Mirna - bad flights, couldn't catch up
Kami and Karli - fell behind at the detour, couldn't catch up
Linda and Karen - eliminated due to male oriented task, but were the reason for the rule of no team member can perform more than 6 Roadblocks
Meredith and Maria - stick shift FAIL
Lena and Kristy - were very unlucky at the Hay Bale Roadblock, but apparently missed 4 clues, so they're not observant either
Megan and Heidi - stuck at the back of the pack
Debbie and Bianca - got lost in Chile
Godlewski Family - couldn't build a teepee, or find golf balls along a golf course
Lisa and Joni - stuck in the back
Wanda and Desiree - I'm not sure, because I haven't seen this episode (or most of this season...)
Danielle and Dani - Yielded
Kellie and Jamie - had trouble aiming in the Roadblock
Dustin and Kandice - too far behind to catch up to everyone else
Lyn and Karlyn - got a bad flight on the final leg
Dustin and Kandice/ Charla and Mirna - beat out in the end by a luckier team at the final task
Kate and Pat - too slow in the Netherlands
Mariana and Julia - inadvertently helped the team that ended up eliminating them
Shana and Jennifer - had trouble on the Roadblock and then got lost on top of that
Marisa and Brooke - got lost in New Zealand
Kelly and Christy - the number detour did them in
Christie and Jodi - got lost in Russia and couldn't make up the NEL penalty in India
Kisha and Jen - pee break, and it didn't help that they got lost a couple hours, as well as U-turned
Cara and Jaime - out-smarted at the final task which was a memory task
Maria and Tiffany - weren't strong enough at either Detour, one of only 3 or 4 F/F teams to fall due to a "male bias"
Totally agree. To date, no all-female team were ever eliminated on the first leg which tells us a F/F team are strong enough to last at least one leg.
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and if you think about it, very few F/F teams were eliminated because they weren't strong enough or fast enough
Kim and Leslie - got lost on the streets of Paris
Pat and Brenda - went to the wrong museum
Nancy and Emily - quit the detour and recieved a 24 hour penalty
Deidre and Hillary - were just unlucky to always be in back of the pack
Peggy and Claire - bad flight connection
Mary and Peach - got lost in Hong Kong
Gina and Sylvia - suffered a similar fate to Deidre and Hillary, unlucky to be in back of pack
Heather and Eve - misread a clue resulting in a 30ish minute penalty and their elimination
Monica and Sheree - fell behind at a luck based detour and couldn't catch up
Tian and Jaree - were the first to be eliminated because a task was primarily for guys
Charla and Mirna - bad flights, couldn't catch up
Kami and Karli - fell behind at the detour, couldn't catch up
Linda and Karen - eliminated due to male oriented task, but were the reason for the rule of no team member can perform more than 6 Roadblocks
Meredith and Maria - stick shift FAIL
Lena and Kristy - were very unlucky at the Hay Bale Roadblock, but apparently missed 4 clues, so they're not observant either
Megan and Heidi - stuck at the back of the pack
Debbie and Bianca - got lost in Chile
Godlewski Family - couldn't build a teepee, or find golf balls along a golf course
Lisa and Joni - stuck in the back
Wanda and Desiree - I'm not sure, because I haven't seen this episode (or most of this season...)
Danielle and Dani - Yielded
Kellie and Jamie - had trouble aiming in the Roadblock
Dustin and Kandice - too far behind to catch up to everyone else
Lyn and Karlyn - got a bad flight on the final leg
Dustin and Kandice/ Charla and Mirna - beat out in the end by a luckier team at the final task
Kate and Pat - too slow in the Netherlands
Mariana and Julia - inadvertently helped the team that ended up eliminating them
Shana and Jennifer - had trouble on the Roadblock and then got lost on top of that
Marisa and Brooke - got lost in New Zealand
Kelly and Christy - the number detour did them in
Christie and Jodi - got lost in Russia and couldn't make up the NEL penalty in India
Kisha and Jen - pee break, and it didn't help that they got lost a couple hours, as well as U-turned
Cara and Jaime - out-smarted at the final task which was a memory task
Maria and Tiffany - weren't strong enough at either Detour, one of only 3 or 4 F/F teams to fall due to a "male bias"
Totally agree. To date, no all-female team were ever eliminated on the first leg which tells us a F/F team are strong enough to last at least one leg.
Yeah, There are many F/F teams that are good enough but gets eliminated usually because of such difficult tasks (Not necessarily "Male biases") or getting lost, or bad luck
But there were some strong female teams that could last several legs
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Totally agree. To date, no all-female team were ever eliminated on the first leg which tells us a F/F team are strong enough to last at least one leg.
Sadly, an all-female team coming in last place on the first leg has already happened (Deidre/Hilary & Gina/Sylvia during TAR2 and TAR3, respectively). Still, thirteen out of fifteen seasons sans a F/F team finishing last does say something (even if many of them were either close or were booted in the second leg).
FTR, there were twice as many all-male teams eliminated first since Day One. Although one couldn't really count TAR10 as it was a non-traditional Philimination; however, Derek/Drew were almost booted first in their season, so again, you never know what could happen. Any given day the best team could bow out rapidly while someone else could make a run.
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Totally agree. To date, no all-female team were ever eliminated on the first leg which tells us a F/F team are strong enough to last at least one leg.
Sadly, an all-female team coming in last place on the first leg has already happened (Deidre/Hilary & Gina/Sylvia during TAR2 and TAR3, respectively). Still, thirteen out of fifteen seasons sans a F/F team finishing last does say something (even if many of them were either close or were booted in the second leg).
FTR, there were twice as many all-male teams eliminated first since Day One. Although one couldn't really count TAR10 as it was a non-traditional Philimination; however, Derek/Drew were almost booted first in their season, so again, you never know what could happen. Any given day the best team could bow out rapidly while someone else could make a run.
Well, Maria & Tiffany were also last in the first leg... :hides:
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I'm going to have to argue that TAR does cast competent female racers.
The main problem: they're usually paired up with a guy to ensure their strength in the race.
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I believe one day a f/f team will win just not this season. There are some stronger m/f and m/m teams I see pulling out the win at the end.
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Totally agree. To date, no all-female team were ever eliminated on the first leg which tells us a F/F team are strong enough to last at least one leg.
Sadly, an all-female team coming in last place on the first leg has already happened (Deidre/Hilary & Gina/Sylvia during TAR2 and TAR3, respectively). Still, thirteen out of fifteen seasons sans a F/F team finishing last does say something (even if many of them were either close or were booted in the second leg).
FTR, there were twice as many all-male teams eliminated first since Day One. Although one couldn't really count TAR10 as it was a non-traditional Philimination; however, Derek/Drew were almost booted first in their season, so again, you never know what could happen. Any given day the best team could bow out rapidly while someone else could make a run.
Well, Maria & Tiffany were also last in the first leg... :hides:
Theoretically they were not last as Eric & Lisa were eliminated before them
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Totally agree. To date, no all-female team were ever eliminated on the first leg which tells us a F/F team are strong enough to last at least one leg.
Sadly, an all-female team coming in last place on the first leg has already happened (Deidre/Hilary & Gina/Sylvia during TAR2 and TAR3, respectively). Still, thirteen out of fifteen seasons sans a F/F team finishing last does say something (even if many of them were either close or were booted in the second leg).
FTR, there were twice as many all-male teams eliminated first since Day One. Although one couldn't really count TAR10 as it was a non-traditional Philimination; however, Derek/Drew were almost booted first in their season, so again, you never know what could happen. Any given day the best team could bow out rapidly while someone else could make a run.
Well, Maria & Tiffany were also last in the first leg... :hides:
Theoretically they were not last as Eric & Lisa were eliminated before them
Yes, but not a traditional elimination point by any means. I don't think you can count it for that reason. Plus, I doubt Eric & Lisa would have been less competent than Maria & Tiffany at guiding the tourists to the Pit Stop.
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Why do all the all-female team winning threads have to become a Dustin and Kandice discussion? :res:
Dustin and Kandice were the only team who came close to it... but alot of times all-female teams could have a good run but ran out of luck. So it doesn't mean Dustin and Kandice did well and they are seen as the "strongest all-female team".
Who knows Momily could have gone on to win if they didn't take the 24 hrs Detour penalty.
Who knows Mary and Peach could have gone on to win if they didn't get eliminated in HK (they were doing really well before that)
Who knows Heather and Eve might win if they didn't get eliminated due to a stupid 30min penalty
Who knows Tian and Jaree might go on and win if they beat Reichen and Chip (gender discrimination RB)
Who knows Linda and Karen might win if they actually beat C/C at the Roadblock (gender discrimination RB)
Who knows Charla and Mirna might win if they didn't take the slower flight in Tanzania (yes, no? don't know if the info's correct)
Who knows Lena and Kristy might go on and win if they didn't get Haybaled out.
Who knows Debbie and Bianca might win if they didn't drive 2 hours in the wrong direction.
Who knows Godlewski might win if they didn't bicker so much, lol.
Who knows Dustin and Kandice might win if they didn't have their bad karma for Yielding the Bamas. (LOL)
Lyn and Karlyn hardly had any chances of winning even if they are on the same flight with Roberly and Tyler and James, the finale was crazy running through many blocks... and the Bamas can't beat the other 2 more physical teams.
Who knows Dustin and Kandice and Charla and Mirna can't even beat Danielle at a RB.. if not one of the 2 teams might go on and win.
Who knows Kelly and Christy might go on and win if they beat Andrew and Dan in India.
Who knows Cara and Jaime or Kisha and Jen might win if one didn't stop for the toilet or if Jaime didn't get so much back taxi karma. Heck, even Christie and Jodi had the potential to win.
Maria and Tiff, IMO.. had hardly any chances to win. They were weak and... i had no idea why they were the only female team representative on TAR 15.
My point here is that TAR must have given a lot of thought to the all-female teams they cast on the show because almost every season, we really have an all-female team who look like they can do really well but ran out of luck/made too big a mistake and resulted in their elimination. Some of them which i listed above, have showed their potential that they can actually win... But... sigh.
I'm still looking forward to the day. TARA took 1 season... TAR is taking around... 17, if an all-female team doesn't win this season. The only team i'm pinning my hopes on for season 16 is Carol and Brandy.. although the Black Sisters looked like they have got some potential as well.
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Yes, but not a traditional elimination point by any means. I don't think you can count it for that reason. Plus, I doubt Eric & Lisa would have been less competent than Maria & Tiffany at guiding the tourists to the Pit Stop.
They may not also be able to do the first roadblock anyhow
Eric and Lisa have been married for over 18 years. Both are vegans who have a passionate and fiery approach to their personal and professional lives and are extremely dedicated to helping others.
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I just believe that tasks this time will not be male orented again. I just hope they can just arrange tasks that can be performed by men and by women.
It wold be great to see a Detour involving women oriented tasks and see male teams struggled there...
I just feel that getting Maria & Tiffany-ed is not fair. Not because it was them, but just it is not fair.
I think if Maria did more than give love taps to the golf balls and the strength tester, she and Tiffany may well have edged out Brian and Ericka in that leg.
Agreed. And if they had really been properly prepared for the race (and had properly applied without pressure from producers who wanted them more than they wanted to be on the show themselves), this minor strength task wouldn't have been an issue. I don't think the tasks need to be less difficult. Surely there are plenty of women in America capable of doing much better than Maria & Tiffany. All that needs to be reformed is the casting process. Instead of getting the physically weak "celebrities," try getting average American women who are in shape and are actually a threat to the other teams.
Imagine how a team full of Rebeccas (From series 6) would do.
OMG, I'LL ROOT FOR THAT TEAM ANYTIME.
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Maria and Tiff, IMO.. had hardly any chances to win. They were weak and... i had no idea why they were the only female team representative on TAR 15.
Because the race course that season was almost entirely centered exclusively around their skills. They were intended to win. I don't care if you say the route is planned before the teams are cast. It's still possible to make the race and then cast a team with all the right advantages afterward. The order it's done in doesn't really matter.
Oh, and by the way: This season the course seems very obviously Jet & Cord-centered. Hopefully that changes, or the entertainment of animal tasks in general will wear down pretty quickly.
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i was SO pissed with Nancy and Emily in S1
if they made it past that leg, they were almost a sure bet in making it to the F3 since they still had the Roadblock on hand, which would've left Kevin and Drew out in the cold in Thailand all by themselves.
and who knows, they could have gotten even better taxi luck than Rob and Brennan in New York. And then we wouldn't need a thread like this because a F/F team won in season 1!
but hindsight is 20/20 i guess... how were they supposed to know that Joe and Bill made that big mistake?
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My point here is that TAR must have given a lot of thought to the all-female teams they cast on the show because almost every season, we really have an all-female team who look like they can do really well but ran out of luck/made too big a mistake and resulted in their elimination. Some of them which i listed above, have showed their potential that they can actually win... But... sigh.
That's exactly why the winning F/F threads turn to Dustin & Kandice because they were the first "capable" (physically fit and competitive) F/F team to not make big mistakes or have bad luck. That's what makes them slightly superior to me, that they survived the F/F curse. After S10 this also applied to Charla & Mirna, Kisha & Jen (ignoring the potty break and getting lost in China), Cara & Jaime (ignoring getting lost in China).
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Naw... Only one team didn't get lost in China: Tammy and Victor, and they speak Mandarin in China. If they got lost, that would be very sad.
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Naw... Only one team didn't get lost in China: Tammy and Victor, and they speak Mandarin in China. If they got lost, that would be very sad.
At least we aren't still lost in China!!
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Hi Luke!! :waves:
That would be a whole new TV show! :lol:
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My point here is that TAR must have given a lot of thought to the all-female teams they cast on the show because almost every season, we really have an all-female team who look like they can do really well but ran out of luck/made too big a mistake and resulted in their elimination. Some of them which i listed above, have showed their potential that they can actually win... But... sigh.
That's exactly why the winning F/F threads turn to Dustin & Kandice because they were the first "capable" (physically fit and competitive) F/F team to not make big mistakes or have bad luck (ignoring the fatal wrong turn in Morocco).
Fixed. ;) The BQs did perform consistently well (amazing for an all-female team at the time), but they failed when they couldn't have afforded to (in S10), like all the other teams, all-female or not, to have been eliminated. They did perform rather spectacularly in S11, so ya. :funny:
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hopefully either the lesbian couples or the layer moms or both of them will make it to the final 3 on TAR 16 and becoming the 1st all female team to win $1 million.
p.s.
need a spoiler!
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My point here is that TAR must have given a lot of thought to the all-female teams they cast on the show because almost every season, we really have an all-female team who look like they can do really well but ran out of luck/made too big a mistake and resulted in their elimination. Some of them which i listed above, have showed their potential that they can actually win... But... sigh.
That's exactly why the winning F/F threads turn to Dustin & Kandice because they were the first "capable" (physically fit and competitive) F/F team to not make big mistakes or have bad luck. That's what makes them slightly superior to me, that they survived the F/F curse. After S10 this also applied to Charla & Mirna, Kisha & Jen (ignoring the potty break and getting lost in China), Cara & Jaime (ignoring getting lost in China).
The first capable all-female team IMO would be the Godlewskis. Dustin and Kandice are/were overrated. :res:
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Well looks like Carol and Brandy are the only ones in it now. If they get eliminated, it looks like we'll have to wait another season for a all-female team to win.
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No spoilers in this thread. Thanks.
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I thought my season was the first one to have "All Female" teams in the Final Three? :lol3:
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Nope...I think Lyn and Karlyn were the first. Season 10.
Right? ???
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Nope...I think Lyn and Karlyn were the first. Season 10.
Right? ???
Correct. Then the next season All-Stars had two.
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And then Cara and Jaime.
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My point here is that TAR must have given a lot of thought to the all-female teams they cast on the show because almost every season, we really have an all-female team who look like they can do really well but ran out of luck/made too big a mistake and resulted in their elimination. Some of them which i listed above, have showed their potential that they can actually win... But... sigh.
That's exactly why the winning F/F threads turn to Dustin & Kandice because they were the first "capable" (physically fit and competitive) F/F team to not make big mistakes or have bad luck. That's what makes them slightly superior to me, that they survived the F/F curse. After S10 this also applied to Charla & Mirna, Kisha & Jen (ignoring the potty break and getting lost in China), Cara & Jaime (ignoring getting lost in China).
The first capable all-female team IMO would be the Godlewskis. Dustin and Kandice are/were overrated. :res:
Well, Joab, this will not be the first time we have disagreed and I am certain it will not be the last. I rate the Godlewskis are a middling team with extremely poor navigation skills. The most highly overrated team I know was Charla/Mirna. I do not rate Carol/Brandy very highly as a result of their having a variety of problems which somehow prevent them from doing really well. I see their core problems as not being properly focused on the race and more interested in bickering.
I rate Dustin/Kandice as the finest F/F team ever, with Jamie/Cara a close second.
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I thought my season was the first one to have "All Female" teams in the Final Three? :lol3:
It was a joke among the our Final Three teams that our season was the first one to have all "female" teams in the Final Three since I'm gay and well.... you know what I'm trying to say.
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I thought my season was the first one to have "All Female" teams in the Final Three? :lol3:
It was a joke among the our Final Three teams that our season was the first one to have all "female" teams in the Final Three since I'm gay and well.... you know what I'm trying to say.
Does it have something to do with the may thai trannies? :lol:
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I just finished watching the 2nd season of the Asian edition, and I'm amazed (no pun intended) that in just 2 seasons, an all-female team has been in the final 3 in both seasons, with one of them winning it.
Plus a few more making it pretty far.
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Really want to see All F/F teams hit 1st place , it has been a long time since Kisha & Jen ( Season 14 ) won a leg. :'(
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i think we are missing the original team who could've taken home the prize:
Nancy and Emily
had they just completed the detour, they would've survived the leg. the next leg they could've used the fast forward and royally screwed over Kevin and Drew. Then, three teams would be racing in the finale, and who knows what might have happened?
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i think we are missing the original team who could've taken home the prize:
Nancy and Emily
had they just completed the detour, they would've survived the leg. the next leg they could've used the fast forward and royally screwed over Kevin and Drew. Then, three teams would be racing in the finale, and who knows what might have happened?
DavidJr.:
I think your information is a bit off on what happened in Thailand in AR1 arriving at and leaving from Krabi. Kevin and Drew checked into Krabi at 0303 and Joe/Bill at 0631. Nancy/Emily before their penalty got there somewhere in between, so assume that they were in the exact middle or arrived at 447am and Kevin/Drew would have gotten a lead of about 104 minutes on them on the way to "The King". There was a DETOUR and they could not have finished "The King" no matter whether they chose Walk or Climb. Kevin/Drew made it to Sea, Land and Trek that evening, but the operating hours for "the King" would have prevented Nancy/Emily from getting off Raile Beach and starting the DETOUR. They would have to do the DETOUR while Kevin/Drew complete Sea, Land, Trek and reach the pit stop on the mainland near Chicken Island. They would finish the same 2 hours roughly ahead of Nancy/Emily that Joe/Bill did as the situations Nancy/Emily faced replacing Joe/Bill in your hypothetical example would have put them in about the same places at the same times. Then, after flying on the same flights from Krabi to Beijing they would logically get the same competition somewhere on the way to Tiantan Park. There were no Fast Forwards in all of the legs after the "King" but there was one at its front end. However, it was supposedly unused and unaired, so if it had any value surely Nancy/Emily would have gone for it. However, their start time for it would almost surely be after the next morning. That means the best they could do would have been to erase any deficit against Kevin/Drew getting to Pai Plong Beach but not be able to get any earlier flights to Beijing.
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Carol and Brandy fans dreams are dashed today. But seriously, there were indeed many times all-female teams who had the potential to go far get eliminated by a silly mistake. I rarely see all-female teams get saved by NEL, with the exception of:
TAR 5: Kami and Karli
TAR 8: Godlewski
TAR 10: Dustin and Kandice
TAR 14: Christie and Jodi
TAR 15: Maria and Tiffany
That's basically like only 5 out of the MANY NELs there are on the race. :(
Come to think of it, we nearly had all-female teams winning it all in season 5, season 8, season 10, season 11 and season 14.. not to forget that there were other seasons like practically every other season who can potentially win. (with the exception of TAR 9, TAR 12 and TAR 15... which i think the all-female teams in these seasons were beyond hopeless and i really did not pin any hopes for them to win)
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That's basically like only 5 out of the MANY NELs there are on the race.
Wither Nancy/Emily and Linda/Karen (and if we're being technical, Kisha/Jen)?
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i interpret being "saved" by an NEL, is continuing on with the race, NOT getting eliminated in the next leg and in the same position.
this would leave:
Linda and Karen (NEL'd in Egypt 1, EL'd in Philippines 2)
Kami and Karli (NEL'd in UAE, EL'd in New Zealand) (i put them, because there was a leg in between, where they didn't come in last)
Godlewski Family (NEL'd in Panama, EL'd in Montana)
and Maria and Tiffany (NEL'd in Japan, practically NEL'd in Cambodia, EL'd in the Netherlands)
so only 4 teams were actually 'saved' by the NEL they landed on. The others still got knocked out the very next leg, thus wasting the NEL.
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i interpret being "saved" by an NEL, is continuing on with the race, NOT getting eliminated in the next leg and in the same position.
this would leave:
Linda and Karen (NEL'd in Egypt 1, EL'd in Philippines 2)
Kami and Karli (NEL'd in UAE, EL'd in New Zealand) (i put them, because there was a leg in between, where they didn't come in last)
Godlewski Family (NEL'd in Panama, EL'd in Montana)
and Maria and Tiffany (NEL'd in Japan, practically NEL'd in Cambodia, EL'd in the Netherlands)
so only 4 teams were actually 'saved' by the NEL they landed on. The others still got knocked out the very next leg, thus wasting the NEL.
i interpret being "saved" by an NEL, is continuing on with the race, NOT getting eliminated in the next leg and in the same position.
this would leave:
Linda and Karen (NEL'd in Egypt 1, EL'd in Philippines 2)
Kami and Karli (NEL'd in UAE, EL'd in New Zealand) (i put them, because there was a leg in between, where they didn't come in last)
Godlewski Family (NEL'd in Panama, EL'd in Montana)
and Maria and Tiffany (NEL'd in Japan, practically NEL'd in Cambodia, EL'd in the Netherlands)
so only 4 teams were actually 'saved' by the NEL they landed on. The others still got knocked out the very next leg, thus wasting the NEL.
I don't like this interpretation, because all teams that land on the NEL are still saved, even if they only get to race one more leg. What finishing placing a team gets in the race doesn't really matter, the point is that they were not eliminated on that leg. They can still win the race after that or be eliminated on the very next leg. But their race was still saved. They still had the chance to go farther. It's the ability to continue the race that really matters, not the ability to get a higher finishing placement, IMO.
But I also hate seeing the team that was saved by the NEL get eliminated on the next leg anyway, unless it's a team I genuinely don't like.
Come to think of it, we nearly had all-female teams winning it all in season 5, season 8, season 10, season 11 and season 14.. not to forget that there were other seasons like practically every other season who can potentially win. (with the exception of TAR 9, TAR 12 and TAR 15... which i think the all-female teams in these seasons were beyond hopeless and i really did not pin any hopes for them to win)
I don't totally agree with this. I think Wanda & Desiree had a strong potential, but their bad directions put them out early. They didn't get a chance to show all of their racing abilities. They were quite strong on Leg 1. Lisa & Joni were indeed hopeless, though, and Danielle & Dani were pretty mediocre.
And as for TAR 12, I'd say that both female teams had a decent chance at winning. Marianna & Julia, in their own words, "almost never caught a break." When they did catch a break by leaving the airport first on Leg 3, they quickly lost a building lead to a bunch at the train station. And then came the camels and the story ended. I think they were a potentially strong team, but we'll never know for sure. They were at least decent, however. Shana & Jennifer also had a decent racing ability, just not a strong sense of navigation, and they weren't very good at handling the pressure. Kate & Pat were also hopeless in terms of winning potential.
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Oh i forgot about Wanda and Desiree!! I loved themmmmmmm!~
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Sorry (well its been less important in the last several years, which I hate), but two of the biggest factors in hurting female teams is the ability to navigate (thats not luck, thats not being able to follow instructions or properly read a map for most legs), and the ability to drive a stick shift.
Huge, huge factors that eat up a ton of time on most seasons (even if the focus of the footage is tasks, they generally don't take the most time of a leg, though of course their are exceptions).
And frankly I don't understand why, yet in my own life I know more guys that learn how to drive stick then women, even in families where its the mom teaching the family to drive.
As for Dustin & Kandice we also have to remember that this team in both seasons didn't start out strong , with some serious errors that luckily didn't have any real impact on them (put but if done before equalizers could have killed them) things like driving an hour and a half to get 10 miles. The trouble they had in vietnam, of which an all male team is the only one that did worse.
But for all the complaining about physical tasks, is that their are usually choices, and options to help.
Take Maria & Tiffany, I beat every women in that hall was capable of ringing that bell.
Take Dustin & Kandice's near elimination in the boats in Vietnam, yet we have footage of an old women using one just fine herself.
Look at the salt task in season 6, Adam struggled, but hell Mary Jean gave it her all got in their and got it done.
In fact strength is general not a big factor in the race, skill and endurance are far, far more important.
Look at the climbing of the great wall, most racers wasted all their strength not actually figuring out how to climb it properly. Yet Jamie & Kelly flew over the top, doing it right. Their lack of skill with the bow was must likely what tired her out so that by the time she got the hang of it, she was already exhausted. My school everyone had to have some training in archery (go figure).
Between the ability to read maps, being able to drive, the next largest factor has been making poor choices. Tian & Jaree got eliminated due to taking a very passive task, one they don't have control over, it was exceptionally stupid, not that they were a good team, but they certainly had a shot. Hell not many teams that year were any good. What is exceptionally painful is watching women teams do poorly at tasks that are truly designed to not require strength, endurance or sports/outdoor skill sets.
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Really really good post that mswood. Some great insights and perspectives! :tup:
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We wouldn't have this discussion if Jaime & Cara's cab driver haven't screwed it up on the way to the surfboard task. We would have gotten to work together to put the surfboards together before Tammy & Victor showed up then it would have come down to the footrace between Jaime & Cara and Mom & me for the first place to the finish line. I have no idea who would have won the footrace to the mat.
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If you count Brent as female then yes!
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I thought my season was the first one to have "All Female" teams in the Final Three? :lol3:
It was a joke among the our Final Three teams that our season was the first one to have all "female" teams in the Final Three since I'm gay and well.... you know what I'm trying to say.
Erm, what about Victor? :duno:
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Halfway thru TAR17, and 2 all-female teams left. So, does anyone think one of them will win it all this season?
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I hope both of them will be in the Final 3 like in TAR11! :hearts:
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Now that it has finally happened, it can finally be put to rest.
And I guess that will mean this thread will be retired for good! :cmas22
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Maybe..."After 17 seasons, will a parent/child team finally win the race?"
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Nothing to see here.
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We might need this again. If TAR takes another 17 seasons for an all-female team to win. So please, keep this thread open and don't lock it moderators. :cmaslol
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I think casting should go back to being fair and cast 4 FF, 4 MM and 3 MF
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I think casting should go back to being fair and cast 4 FF, 4 MM and 3 MF
I think each season should only have only up to 3 MM teams... 4FF, 4MF and 3MM...
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Future seasons should model their cast after this season! I don't think they should cast all-female teams for the sake of casting them, but cast nice, competent and dynamic teams like this season (Nat and Kat, Brook and Claire). Honestly, after Dustin and Kandice, I haven't really seen any particularly strong all-female teams until these two teams came along. I don't consider Jaime and Cara all that strong even though they finished second place because they were kinda avoiding elimination all the way. There's just something about Nat and Kat and Brook and Claire that make them extremely special. TAR needs to cast teams like that! =D
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Future seasons should model their cast after this season! I don't think they should cast all-female teams for the sake of casting them, but cast nice, competent and dynamic teams like this season (Nat and Kat, Brook and Claire). Honestly, after Dustin and Kandice, I haven't really seen any particularly strong all-female teams until these two teams came along. I don't consider Jaime and Cara all that strong even though they finished second place because they were kinda avoiding elimination all the way. There's just something about Nat and Kat and Brook and Claire that make them extremely special. TAR needs to cast teams like that! =D
Yeah! These two teams brought a mood that has'nt been seen for quite some seasons. Brook is just so hilarious and feisty, Claire is such a fighter. Nat & Kat are so calm under pressure and are so zen! :reindeer
Brook & Claire flair forever! :cmas22