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ROUTE SUMMARY: Upcoming Episodes
EP12: Shanghai, China to San Francisco, CA (USA)
Air Date: MAY 9
Film Date: DEC 19-20
Final 3 Teams (with early spoiler info):
Brent & Caite: Brown hair male/blonde female spotted at SFO, Coit Tower (in red)
Jet & Cord: “Cowboys” reported twice, spotted in SFO
Dan & Jordan: Spotted in SFO (with 30 minute lead coming out of customs)
Route:
ROADBLOCK: Find and climb Coit Tower using ascender (Caite, Cord)
EVIDENCE: Team spotted, confirmation of crew dismantling equipment, CBS preview
TEAM PLACEMENT: Dan/Jordan finishing task as Jet/Cord arrive; Jet/Cord 30 minutes ahead of Brent/Caite (Brent climbing around 11:10am)
ROUTE INFO: Find Yoda at Letterman Digital Arts Center, Storm Troopers escort teams in (George Lucas possibly involved?)
EVIDENCE: Tweet, other sources
TEAM PLACEMENT: Jet/Cord arrive about 10:50am
ROUTE INFO: Virtual reality task at Letterman Digital Arts Center (one teammate (Dan, Cord) guides the other (Jordan, Jet) through VR course)
EVIDENCE: CBS preview
TEAM PLACEMENT: Dan/Jordan, Jet/Cord performing task at same time
ROUTE INFO: Find Tonga Room, pick up trunk (?)
EVIDENCE: Clue from VR task in CBS commercial
ROUTE INFO: Carry trunk to Great American Music Hall?
EVIDENCE: Decoy team (Mike/Louis) spotted with large trunk at California and Larkin streets (around noon), CBS preview, Brent/Caite shown going south on Mason Street (near Bush) in preview, Dan/Jordan shown going west on California Street (near Leavenworth) in preview, Jet & Cord spotted near Great American Music Hall looking for cab (on O’Farrell and Geary streets)
TEAM PLACEMENT: Dan/Jordan (11:33am) ahead of Brent/Caite (12:08pm)
ROUTE INFO: Travel by taxi to Candlestick Park
EVIDENCE: Jet & Cord spotted near Great American Music Hall looking for cab (on O’Farrell and Geary streets)
FINISH LINE: Candlestick Park
EVIDENCE: Tweet, insider info, CBS commercial
Winners: UNKNOWN
ROUTE SUMMARY: Previous Episodes (According to Spoilers as of Air Time)
EP01: Los Angeles, CA (USA) to Valparaiso, Chile (via Santiago)
Air Date: FEB 14
Film Date: NOV 28-29
Route:
START: Vista Hermosa Park (teams dropped off by bus)
EVIDENCE: Teams spotted at/near downtown Mariott (Dan/Jordan); filming permit to close 2nd St Tunnel between Hill and Figueroa, promo video
ROUTE INFO: Take public transportation to LAX
EVIDENCE: Teams spotted near highway (report of someone refusing team a ride), walking outside Marriott (Dan/Jordan), also at Union Station (Monique/Shawne), confirmed by review
ROUTE INFO: Fly to Santiago, Chile
FIRST FLIGHT: AA957/LA5503 via Miami – arrived 11/29 10:20am (Brent/Caite, Jeff/Jordan)
SECOND FLIGHT: via Dallas
EVIDENCE: All teams spotted in American terminal, two flights confirmed by review (only three teams board first flight), ET preview
ROUTE INFO: Travel by bus to Wulff Castle (Catillo Wulff) in Vina del Mar (edited out)
EVIDENCE: Route info passed on from teams, CBS photos
ROUTE INFO: Travel by taxi to Ascensor Villaseca area
EVIDENCE: ET preview
ROADBLOCK: Cable walk (in Cerro Artilleria near Ascensor Villaseca)
PERFORMED BY: Dana, Dan, Shawne, Louis, Brandy, Allie, Cord, possibly Brent?
ARRIVAL ORDER (?): Jeff/Jordan (completed apx 2:42), Dan/Jordan (completed apx 2:46), Steve/Allie (completed apx 2:47), Carol/Brandy (on ropes w/ Monique/Shawne and Mike/Louis) Monique/Shawne (on ropes apx 2:55), Mike/Louis (on ropes apx 3:01), Jody/Shannon (completed apx 6:04), Adrian/Dana (on ropes apx 7:31) (all times LOCAL)
EVIDENCE: CBS photos with EXIF data
ROUTE INFO: Take funicular to paint walls at Cerro Alegre (intersection of Templeman and Galos)
EVIDENCE: Photo evidence of Phil filming at site, confirmation from other sources, blogger who saw teams carrying cans, confirmation from review
PIT STOP: Palacio Abruzza
EVIDENCE: CBS commercial
POSSIBLE LOCATION: Cardonal Market
EVIDENCE: Blog of teams spotted at market with inconclusive photo
Teams:
Jeff & Jordan: Former Big Brother contestants; wearing light blue
Brent & Caite: Brent in gray, has long hair; Caite in black, blonde hair
Mike & Louis: Louis has man fu beard, wearing camo shorts and black shirts
Jet & Cord: Wearing button down shirts (blue and gray), cowboy hats
Dan & Jordan: Wearing gold with blue athletic shorts, one with black jacket
Jody & Shannon: Granddaughter (Shannon) has short brown hair and is wearing green
Steve & Allie: Father/daughter, older man wearing black shirt and cap, thin woman in blue
Adrian & Dana: African-American couple, husband in dark red, wife in shirt with family photo
Monique & Shawne: African-American Moms, wearing hot pink
Carol & Brandy: Lesbian couple, wearing shades of gray and camo/black pants, short blonde and dark hair
Joe & Heidi: Asian couple, wearing red, late 20s/early 30s
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode:
Jeff & Jordan: Possibly spotted 11/30 in Chile wearing red, confirmed on Leg 3 (Argentina)
Jody & Shannon: Photographed at Puerto Varas pit stop (Leg 2)
Monique & Shawne: Celebrating at pitstop (CBS commercial)
Mike & Louis: Eliminated in 4th place in Shanghai
Steve & Allie: Spotted in Penang, possibly spotted in Singapore
Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore
Dan & Jordan: Spotted in SFO
Brent & Caite: Possibly spotted 11/30 at Turbus terminal in Santiago, possibly spotted on Puerto Varas leg (Leg 2), spotted in Singapore and SFO, AP review confirms they finish 7th in first leg
Jet & Cord: Spotted in SFO
Joe & Heidi: Adrian & Dana confirmed as first eliminated team
Eliminated:
Adrian & Dana
EVIDENCE: AP reviews
EP02: Valparaiso, Chile to Puerto Varas, Chile (via Santiago)
Air Date: FEB 21
Film Date: NOV 30-DEC 1
Route:
ROUTE INFO: Travel by bus to Santiago, Chile and on to Puerto Varas
EVIDENCE: Cameras spotted in Turbus terminal (most likely in Santiago) on 11/30, CBS preview shows teams at Pullman Bus counter around 7:20 (am/pm?); teams photographed in Puerto Varas near Puerto Montt; teams likely spotted on bus near Osorno
ROUTE INFO: Travel by boat on Lago Todo los Santos to Isla Margarita
EVIDENCE: CBS photos
DETOUR: Dress llama in ceremonial attire (Isla Margarita) (Chosen by: Dan/Jordan, Joe/Heidi, Carol/Brandy) OR condor jump into water (Chosen by Brent/Caite, Jeff/Jordan?)
EVIDENCE: CBS photos, promo
ROADBLOCK: Gather baking ingredients from family farm (Weisser farm, Onces Bellavista near Lake Llenquihue) including cup of milk from cow (Chilean band players here?) (Performed by: Monique, Carol?)
EVIDENCE: CBS photos
OTHER POTENTIAL LOCATIONS: Petrohué
EVIDENCE: Chilean article detailing route
PIT STOP: Grotto of Lourdes, Puerto Varas
EVIDENCE: Teams photographed at pit stop
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode:
Jeff & Jordan: Confirmed on Leg 3 (Argentina)
Mike & Louis: Eliminated in 4th place in Shanghai
Steve & Allie: Spotted in Penang, possibly spotted in Singapore
Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore
Dan & Jordan (Spotted in SFO)
Brent & Caite (Spotted in SFO)
Jet & Cord (Spotted in SFO)
Possibly Eliminated:
Jody & Shannon (suggested by Chilean article)
Monique & Shawne?
Joe & Heidi?
EP03: Puerto Varas, Chile to San Carlos de Bariloche, Argentina
Air Date: FEB 28
Film Date: DEC 2-3
Route:
ROUTE INFO: Travel by bus to Villa de Angostura, Argentina (via Osorno)
EVIDENCE: Chilean article, CBS previews
ROUTE INFO: Pick up car to drive to next location
EVIDENCE: Blog entries
ROUTE INFO: Poker game at “Old Joint” (?) near Villa de la Angostra (to win gnome?)
EVIDENCE: Blog entry, CBS preview, Carol/Brandy shown carrying gnome during detour
ROADBLOCK: Use lariat to lasso wooden cow skull target (performed by: Jeff, Shawne) (Carol/Brandy, Joe/Heidi perform roadblock at same time)
EVIDENCE: CBS photos
DETOUR: Carry wooden horse through polo field and hit ball in goal (chosen by Jet & Cord apx, Brent & Caite, Mike & Louis, Heidi & Joe) OR use compass/coordinates to find buried treasure near Cerro Leones/Nirihuau and give it to bandits (chosen by Jeff/Jordan, Carol/Brandy) (both tasks near bridges at Pilcaniyiu (Rio Negro))
EVIDENCE: CBS, EW photos
PIT STOP?: Fortín Chacabuco Sheep Ranch
EVIDENCE: Blog entries
POSSIBLE LOCATIONS: Limay River
EVIDENCE: Argentine article
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode:
Mike & Louis: Eliminated in 4th place in Shanghai
Steve & Allie: Spotted in Penang, possibly spotted in Singapore
Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore
Dan & Jordan (Spotted in SFO)
Brent & Caite (Spotted in SFO)
Jet & Cord (Spotted in SFO)
Possibly Eliminated:
Jeff & Jordan?
Monique & Shawne?
Joe & Heidi?
EP04: San Carlos de Bariloche, Argentina to Hamburg, Germany
EVIDENCE: Argentine article, TV Guide
Air Date: MAR 7
Film Date: DEC 4-5/6
Route:
ROUTE INFO: Fly to Frankfurt, Germany, connect to Hamburg via ICE train
EVIDENCE: CBS promo
ROUTE INFO: Travel by taxi (?) to Fischmarkt
EVIDENCE: CBS promo
INTERSECTION: Tandem upside down bungee jump (Bungee provided by Hackett) at Fischmarkt on Alsterarkaden (near Town Hall)
Performed by: Carol/Brandy-Dan/Jordan; Mike/Louis-Jet/Cord
EVIDENCE: CBS preview
DETOUR?: Beer drinking task (out of a glass boot – Stiefeltrinken) at Haifisch Bar (Jet/Cord) or eating task? (Jeff/Jordan)
EVIDENCE: CBS preview, press release
OTHER TASKS: Beatles-centric puzzle
EVIDENCE: Press releases
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode:
Mike & Louis: Eliminated in 4th place in Shanghai
Steve & Allie: Spotted in Penang, possibly spotted in Singapore
Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore
Dan & Jordan (Spotted in SFO)
Brent & Caite (Spotted in SFO)
Jet & Cord (Spotted in SFO)
Possibly Eliminated:
Jeff & Jordan
Joe & Heidi (spotted with other ES teams at SFO)
TBC?
EP05: Hamburg, Germany to Verdun, France
Air Date: MAR 14
Film Date: DEC 6/7-8
Route:
ROUTE INFO: Travel by bus to Verdun, France
EVIDENCE: CBS promos, other forms of travel ruled out due to travel time
ROUTE INFO: Find Chateau des Monthairons in Verdun, France and pick up cars
EVIDENCE: CBS promos
DETOUR: WW1 related tasks (Use Morse Code to decode message OR crawl through battlefield (Brant/Caite, Carol/Brandy)
EVIDENCE: CBS promos, insider info
BLIND U-TURN: Joe/Heidi U-turned by ? ? ?
EVIDENCE: CBS promos
OTHER POSSIBLE TASKS:
ROUTE INFO: Put on a mustache and ride a bike to __________
EVIDENCE: Two teams seen on bikes in CBS promos
ROADBLOCK?: Bread-related task
EVIDENCE: Mike/Louis seen with baguettes in Verdun town center in CBS promos, roadblock still unknown
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode:
Mike & Louis: Eliminated in 4th place in Shanghai
Steve & Allie: Spotted in Penang, possibly spotted in Singapore
Carol & Brandy: Possibly spotted in Singapore
Dan & Jordan (Spotted in SFO)
Brent & Caite (Spotted in SFO)
Jet & Cord (Spotted in SFO)
Possibly Eliminated:
Jeff & Jordan (spotted at Elimination Station by 12/12 at latest)
Joe & Heidi (spotted with other ES teams at SFO)
EP06: Verdun/Wargemoulin, France to Rheims, France
EVIDENCE: Press releases
Route:
DETOUR: Make/fill pyramid of champagne glasses (at carriage house of Chateau de la Marquetterie in Pierry) OR find marked bunch of grapes in vineyard
EVIDENCE: CBS promo
ROADBLOCK: Rappel into Tattinger chalk caves, find correct champagne bottle and open it using a sword
EVIDENCE: CBS commercial
ROUTE INFO: Find Rheims Cathedral (Notre Dame)/Joan of Arc statue at Place du Parvis (near cathedral)
EVIDENCE: CBS commercial
Air Date: MAR 21
Film Dates: DEC 9-10
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode:
Mike & Louis: Eliminated in 4th place in Shanghai
Steve & Allie: Spotted in Penang, possibly spotted in Singapore
Carol & Brandy: Possibly spotted in Singapore
Dan & Jordan (Spotted in SFO)
Brent & Caite (Spotted in SFO)
Jet & Cord (Spotted in SFO)
Possibly Eliminated:
Jeff & Jordan
EP07: Champagne-Ardenne, France to Seychelles
EVIDENCE: Press releases
Route:
ROUTE INFO: Fly to Victoria, Seychelles
EVIDENCE: CBS promo (only international airport 8km south of Victoria)
ROUTE INFO: Travel by helicopter to island of La Digue
EVIDENCE: CBS promo
DETOUR: OX TROT: Load and drive bull-led cart of coconuts at Pension Michel/L’Union Estate Park? (Brent/Caite, Jet/Cord, Carol/Brandy, Mike/Louis) OR TURTLE WADDLE: Race with a giant tortoise (at Tortoise Pen at L’Union Estate Park?)
EVIDENCE: CBS promo, press release
ROADBLOCK: Swim to boat, then dive to bottom of sea to retrieve clue in bottle (Steve, Jordan)
EVIDENCE: Press release
PIT STOP?: Use bottle clue to find pit stop? Travel to Ile Anonyme? (via inter-island ferry?)
EVIDENCE: TV Guide preview, CBS commercials
Air Date: MAR 28
Film Dates: DEC 11
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode:
Mike & Louis: Eliminated in 4th place in Shanghai
Steve & Allie: Spotted in Penang, possibly spotted in Singapore
Carol & Brandy: Possibly spotted in Singapore
Dan & Jordan (Spotted in SFO)
Brent & Caite (Spotted in SFO)
Jet & Cord (Spotted in SFO)
Possibly Eliminated:
NEL
EP08: Praslin, Seychelles to Penang, Malaysia
EVIDENCE: Phil spotted in Dubai en route to Malaysia (12/12 EK342 arriving 10:30am); team spotted en route from Kuala Lumpur to Penang (12/14)
Air Date: APR 4
Film Date: DEC 12-14
Route:
ROUTE INFO: Travel by plane to Penang, Malaysia
ROUTE INFO: Find clue in snake-covered box at Temple of Azure Cloud (at Bayan Lepas)
EVIDENCE: CBS promo
DETOUR: Chingay task (balance flag on head, complete course) at Penang Padang Kota Lama (field between Town Hall and Fort Cornwallis) (Jet/Cord, Steve/Allie) OR 153-step climb at Thnee Kong Thua carrying incense (Mike/Louis, Dan/Jordan, Steve/Allie in that order around 11am, Carol/Brandy and Brent/Caite too)
EVIDENCE: CBS promo, teams spotted at Kek Lok Si Temple (the wrong location) around 11am, possibly looking for Kuan Yin Teng (Mike & Louis possibly first team to arrive at Kek Lok Si, then Dan & Jordan, then Steve & Allie)
SPEED BUMP: Find guru on swing (in Penang Tropical Spice Garden)
EVIDENCE: CBS promo
ROADBLOCK: Smash coconuts (to find clue inside?) (Jet, Caite, Louis, Carol) near Sri Singamuga Kaliamman temple
EVIDENCE: CBS promo
PIT STOP: Peranakan Mansion
EVIDENCE: CBS promo
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode:
Mike & Louis: Eliminated in 4th place in Shanghai
Dan & Jordan (Spotted in SFO)
Brent & Caite (Spotted in SFO)
Jet & Cord (Spotted in SFO)
Note: Hard to tell difference between racers and decoys from this episode on
Possibly Eliminated: UNKNOWN
Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
Steve & Allie: Possibly spotted in Singapore (but may be decoys)
EP09: Penang, Malaysia to Singapore
EVIDENCE: Phil likely spotted in Penang International Airport McDonald’s (departure area) on December 15 (apx 5:45pm)
Air Date: APR 11
Film Date: DEC 15-16
Route:
ROUTE INFO: Travel by train to Singapore
FAST FORWARD?: Crawl across top of Singapore Flyer (Dan/Jordan)
EVIDENCE: “Young F/F team” possibly spotted with helicopter on top of Singapore Flyer (Flyer closed to public until 12:30pm), CBS promo (Jordan performing task around 11:42am)
ROUTE INFO: Complete Mega-Zip zipline task
EVIDENCE: Two big guys in blue and a blonde M/brunette F couple” possibly spotted at Sentosa (close to Subway at cable car arrival plaza); Mike/Louis photographed at Island Life shop in Sentosa; teams spotted at Mega-Zip at Sentosa
ROUTE INFO: Find Istana Park (and receive Detour clue here)
EVIDENCE: Istana Park pictures from promo possibly between the detour options
DETOUR: Set up ice cream stand and sell ice cream at corner of Waterloo and Bencoolen Link (Mike/Louis, first choice of Carol/Brandy) OR drum-related task at Hong Lim Park (Brent/Caite, Jet/Cord) (U-TURN used here on Carol/Brandy)
EVIDENCE: Photo of vendor with clue in hand/flags on cart being filmed, Carol & Brandy (wearing gray) spotted selling ice cream (around 11am?), Steve & Allie possibly spotted looking for ice cream stand (as decoys)
ROADBLOCK: Chain-related task at ASL Marine (19 Pandan Road)
EVIDENCE: CBS promo
PIT STOP: Marina Barrage
EVIDENCE: Camera crew/team spotted between 10am and 1pm on 12/16 at marina; again at about 1:30pm (guys in blue, later a couple in red)
OTHER POSSIBLE TASKS: Bugis MRT?
EVIDENCE: Cameraman possibly spotted near Bugis
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode:
Dan & Jordan (Spotted in SFO)
Jet & Cord (Spotted in SFO)
Mike & Louis: Eliminated in 4th place in Shanghai
Brent & Caite (Spotted in SFO)
Eliminated:
Carol & Brandy
EP10: Singapore to Shanghai, China
EVIDENCE: Crews spotted on Nanjing Road, information from local insider
Air Date: APR 25
Film Date: DEC 17-18
Route:
ROUTE INFO: Fly to Shanghai, China
EVIDENCE: CBS promo
ROADBLOCK: Make noodles at Zhu Jia Jiao (Jordan)
EVIDENCE: Local insider, CBS promo
ROUTE INFO: Find clue at Lu Jia Zui Park
EVIDENCE: Local insider
ROADBLOCK: Card puzzle involving making a dragon at Hongkou Stadium (Brent, Cord, Louis)
EVIDENCE: Local insider, CBS promo
OTHER POSSIBLE TASKS: Fashion task at Hong Yi Plaza (unless this is from the fashion task in EP11)
EVIDENCE: CBS promo
PIT STOP: Shanghai Science & Technology Museum
EVIDENCE: Local insider
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode:
Jet & Cord (Finish first on this leg, spotted in SFO)
Brent & Caite (Finish second on this leg, spotted in SFO)
Dan & Jordan (Finish third on this leg, spotted in SFO)
Mike & Louis: Finish fourth on this leg, eliminated in 4th place in Shanghai
Possibly Eliminated: NEL
EP11: Shanghai, China
EVIDENCE: Photo evidence of pit stop, crew spotted returning to SFO from Shanghai
Air Date: MAY 2
Film Date: DEC 19
Route:
ROUTE INFO: Travel by motorcycle sidecar to…
EVIDENCE: Insider info, CBS commercial
ROADBLOCK: Counting golden buddhas at Long Hua Temple
EVIDENCE: Local insider, CBS commercial
SPEED BUMP: Coin tossing task at Long Hua Temple
EVIDENCE: Insider info
DETOUR: Pork Chops or Dumplings at Bridge of the Nine Turns (Yu Garden)
EVIDENCE: Local insider
ROUTE INFO: Stamp task? (Possibly part of Detour?)
EVIDENCE: CBS press release
ROUTE INFO: Find clue at Lu Jia Zui Park
EVIDENCE: Local insider, CBS promo
PIT STOP: Riverside Promenade on Pudong side of Lujiazui River (Greeter: Bao Xishun); teams arriving in evening (apx 8pm)
EVIDENCE: Blogger who witnessed pit stop
Safe From Elimination at End of Episode:
Jet & Cord (Finish first on this leg, spotted in SFO)
Dan & Jordan (Spotted in SFO)
Brent & Caite (Spotted in SFO)
Eliminated:
Mike & Louis
TEAM SPOILER SUMMARY
Bottom 8
11. Adrian & Dana (eliminated in Valparaiso, Chile)
10. Jody & Shannon (eliminated in Puerto Varas, Chile)
9. Monique & Shawne (eliminated in San Carlos de Bariloche, Argentina)
8. Joe & Heidi (eliminated in Verdun (actually Wargemoulin), France)
7. Jeff & Jordan (eliminated in Champagne-Ardenne, France)
6. Steve & Allie (eliminated in Penang, Malaysia)
5. Carol & Brandy (eliminated in Singapore)
4. Mike & Louis (eliminated in Shanghai, China)
Top 3
Brent & Caite (Spotted in SFO)
Jet & Cord (Spotted in SFO)
Dan & Jordan (Spotted in SFO)
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updated by woden.
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United and Delta seem to fit!
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Well, maybe it is possible that the flights are the ones departing at 12.52pm, 1.15pm, and 3.30pm. Teams would be in a 27-minute time difference?? The first direct flight would get teams almost 2 hours and a half ahead? Maybe only one team could take the first flight, and the rest could fight for other flights??
PS: We should think that they may be bunched in a Dep. Times the next morning, or somthieng like that, so that 2.5 hour lead would disappear...
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There's clearly going to be an Hoo once they get there.
25 minutes by taxi from the airport:
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Great, love Taxi races haha
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I don't know if this is right. Only one person said Toronto. It could be a decoy like Mongolia last season.
Shloky tweeted: LOL. One team is now using my computer to plan out travel in Chile. Ill be on TV some day.
And Jeff and Jordan are standing outside of Gate 47B which is a flight to Dallas. If this is right, one of the flights should be AA2446 departing 1:05. I think they fly out to Dallas and then go to Santiago, Chile. A few people know about this from Thursday. Georgiapeach knows about this and found the flight to Chile based on info I gave.
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Shloky he has probably seen alot of teams, and he may know more than we do. Someone needs to ask him!
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Here are the flights from AA.
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It takes 2 and a half hours to get to Vina Del mar from Santiago.
Maybe an overnight rest at the castle?
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It takes 2 and a half hours to get to Vina Del mar from Santiago.
Maybe an overnight rest at the castle?
The teams have their rest on the planes. The flights land at around 10:00, so they should arrive at the castle around 1:00.
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Well if no other tasks they probably will take a bit more time with customs.
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Depending on who you ask, Valparaiso is located at a 70 to 80 miles from Santiago's Arturo Merino International Airport.
From Valparaiso to Vina de Mar is another 5 miles.
I estimate 2 hours from airport to Vina del Mar.
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All I can say is from Santiago -> Valparaiso is 1 and 1/2 hrs.
Next task - I'm signing us up for The Amazing Race! Getting to Valpo was worth the effort! The 1 1/2 hour drive from Santiago was beautiful and entirely reminiscent of driving in California - brown rolling hills spotted green with trees ...
Nah, its just an application blog for Amazing Race :groan:
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the flight situation from LAX to SCL has many more possibilities thatn anyone has mentioned so far. The ones through DFW and MIA have been discussed on another thread. That means that these flights were possibilities:
AA252 1430 2215 LAX MIA connecting with AA957 2345 1010+1 MIA SCL
AA2448 1350 1845 LAX DFW connecting with AA945 2110 0945+1 DFW SCL
There are usually two airlines splitting the teams, but on some occasions it has been 3. Here are some other flights:
DL61 1137 1855 LAX ATL connecting with DL147 2020 0750+1 ATL SCL
LAN 601/AA7734 departs 1200 and proceeds to one stop in Lima between 2335 and 0056+1 and arrives 0615
(note that AA7734 is listed as connecting in Lima to LP5601 which has the the same schedule
The departure times on these 2 flights are a little earlier than what is typically supported by World Race Productions dictates of which flights to use, but they do arrive much earlier.
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uycocoa, you may be right but:
1. 70 to 80 miles is tough to do in 1.5 hours and
2. the destination is not Valparaiso, bit Vina Del Mar
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Actually, teams are told to take a bus to Valparaiso, we believe.
Vina Del Mar is a location in Valparaiso, where the Castile Wulff is.
GOOGLE MAP LINK:
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&q=wulff+%2Bvalparaiso&fb=1&gl=us&hq=wulff&hnear=%2Bvalparaiso&hl=en&view=map&f=d&daddr=Av+Marina,+Vi%C3%B1a+del+Mar,+Chile&geocode=CZrlyopETN-IFa8qCP4d9AC8-w
Thanks for the flights, because we have to take another look. All teams were in the American terminal at the same time. Dallas may not have happened. so next best? Atlanta was too early. Lan was prob also too early.
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the flight situation from LAX to SCL has many more possibilities thatn anyone has mentioned so far. The ones through DFW and MIA have been discussed on another thread. That means that these flights were possibilities:
AA252 1430 2215 LAX MIA connecting with AA957 2345 1010+1 MIA SCL
AA2448 1350 1845 LAX DFW connecting with AA945 2110 0945+1 DFW SCL
There are usually two airlines splitting the teams, but on some occasions it has been 3. Here are some other flights:
DL61 1137 1855 LAX ATL connecting with DL147 2020 0750+1 ATL SCL
LAN 601/AA7734 departs 1200 and proceeds to one stop in Lima between 2335 and 0056+1 and arrives 0615
(note that AA7734 is listed as connecting in Lima to LP5601 which has the the same schedule
The departure times on these 2 flights are a little earlier than what is typically supported by World Race Productions dictates of which flights to use, but they do arrive much earlier.
It's also very dependent on when they got out of LA too, obviously.
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Miami flight is only crossing the Carribean heading across Cuba
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Could I confirm that all teams were seen in Terminal 4 in LAX, and that Terminal 4 only serves domestic American Airlines flights?
'Cause I have no idea what they would have taken if they'd not gone via Dallas. JFK? A double-connection?
AA 4 to New York JFK (1230-2105)
LA 531 to Lima (2230-0630)
LA 531 to Santiago (0735-1300)
OR could they have taken the same flight to Miami, then split up onto separate flights from there?
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Chateau I think will tell you that he saw no teams at United, and all of his pics were taken in the American terminal.
It's a mystery!!
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Neobie,
There is another alternative, but it requires earlier departure from LAX than World Race Productions typically schedules:
AA1516 LAX MIA 1220 2005
LAN503/AA7661 MIA SCL 2130 0755
AA957, the later flight from Miami, is at 2345 departure the last flight going from the U.S. to Santiago for many hours.
I have previously identified DL61 LAX ATL 1137 1855 connecting with DL147 2020 0750. Also possible is LAN601 with the same plane continuing as AA7734 after a stop in Lima LAX SCL 1200 0615. However, both of these possibilities also suffer from the same earlier departure requirement.
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Hmm, if all flights out of that terminal are domestic... It does look likely that everyone was simply herded onto the Miami flight...
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Its possible teams were given two pre-selected options for the flights out of Miami, and we would only hear about those flights and not the flight out of LAX.
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Its possible teams were given two pre-selected options for the flights out of Miami, and we would only hear about those flights and not the flight out of LAX.
Ohhhhhhh, that's a good point!
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Photo of a pit-stop: http://www.cronicalibre.cl/images/stories/thumbs/aHR0cDovL2Nyb25pY2FsaWJyZS5jbC9pbWFnZXMvc3Rvcmllcy9ub3RpY2lhcy9ub3ZpZW1icmUwOS9maWxtYWNpb24xLmpwZw==.jpg
Confirms the second leg in Chile: Puerto Varas.
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The URL for that photo seems to imply there is a story to go with it. (Notice the "stories{ subdirectory.)
I don't speak or read Spanish, but this might be worth a follow-up.
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So the tweets are driving me crazy timeline-wise. What are we looking at now?
It's a pretty early arrival with regard to first legs. Would we be seeing a one-day first leg like in Sao Paulo (TAR 9)?
Puddin, where did you get Dec 1 for Puerto Varas? I'm just lost... :groan:
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So the tweets are driving me crazy timeline-wise. What are we looking at now?
It's a pretty early arrival with regard to first legs. Would we be seeing a one-day first leg like in Sao Paulo (TAR 9)? And when were the teams sighted in Puerto Varas? Argh this is confusing... :groan:
I will say that teams arrived in Chile on 11/29 and completed the leg the same day.
Teams then arrived at Puerto Varas on the morning of 12/1 and finished the same day.
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So the tweets are driving me crazy timeline-wise. What are we looking at now?
It's a pretty early arrival with regard to first legs. Would we be seeing a one-day first leg like in Sao Paulo (TAR 9)?
Puddin, where did you get Dec 1 for Puerto Varas? I'm just lost... :groan:
Slowhatch and I are working on it Neobie, 1 photo DEC 1st the other DEC 2nd :lol:
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Date and Time (Original): 2009:12:01 15:50:25-03:00
Date and Time (Digitized): 2009:12:01 15:50:25
again
DateTimeOriginal : 2009:12:01 15:50:25
DateTimeDigitized : 2009:12:01 15:50:25
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Nice, Puddin!
It's interesting, but TAR seems to have been following the 12h Pit Stop rule for the first leg at least, consistently throughout the seasons. Add that to the early arrival in Santiago, could we be looking at...?
28 Nov: Los Angeles, flight to Santiago
29 Nov: Valparaiso, Pit Stop Leg 1
30 Nov: Santiago, Tur-Bus to Puerto Montt (14h)
1 Dec: Puerto Varas, Pit Stop Leg 2
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Its the mat one that I'm having a hard time with it keep coming up Dec 2, 2009 but Slowhatch is on it :tup:
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I've got them both for 01 Dec: 3:50 and 4:04, respectively. Since it's a local photographer, I'd assume the camera's clock is set correctly.
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Map moved downthread...
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Thanks Slowhatch and woohoooooooooo for the MAP Neobie! :yess:
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LMFAO at "the Iraq" and "Asian countries" :lol: :lol:
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LMFAO at "the Iraq" and "Asian countries" :lol: :lol:
I don't know about Iraq, but we definitely need to go to South Africa. Want to see where some teams end up :funny:
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LMFAO at "the Iraq" and "Asian countries" :lol: :lol:
Yes, and especially "Asian Countries" in Australia and the "Everywhere like such as" in Siberia/Mongolia/China. :funny: :funny:
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Neobie...you are a genius!! :lol3: :lol3:
Thanks and great job slowhatch and puddin!! :jam:
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That's the greatest map! Great work!!!! :funny: :funny: :funny:
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OMG, Best map ever!
Looking at the pit stop, it suddenly came to me that when a team arrives there, it doesn't look like a wide open space because of cameras shooting both Phil and the teams... LOL!
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Neobie wins with his map. :funny:
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Wow on the map, Neobie. Even a stingy poster like myself needs to use a post to commend its genius.
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My first post here.....lurked for a few seasons! Just felt the need to say this map rocks! "Everywhere like such as" is the best ever! Keep up the great work here....you guys are awesome and make TAR so much fun for me!
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Neobie wins with his map. :funny:
Neobie SO wins. That map was the single funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
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Putting this here just in case, the Tur-Bus schedule on 31 Nov from Santiago to Puerto Montt (most of these pass by Puerto Varas, take 30min off the arrival time):
0610-2015, 1645-0615, 1830-0740, 1915-0815, 2030-0910, 2050-0910, 2115-0930
Any of these will give Phil the headstart to fly to Puerto Montt and film his stuff on the 31st, with teams racing on the 1st.
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Nice map Neobie, definitely better then the CBS official maps...
:lol:
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Neobie is the King of the map Makers, has been making us maps for years...... seriously he is a genius :tup:
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epic map Neobie, I love it!
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The map is hilarious!
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Thanks for the compliments... :-[ But we really should get back to the topic at hand, alright? The cruddy map's not worth us neglecting our job here!
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Great map Neobie! But you forgot to put the country where the US Americans live.
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Map moved downthread.
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Thanks for the compliments... :-[ But we really should get back to the topic at hand, alright? The cruddy map's not worth us neglecting our job here!
Are you sure? :colors
Just kidding! :lol:
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Asia shifted over 1000 miles west! :jam:
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Asia shifted over 1000 miles west! :jam:
And South Africa is now an archipelago! :jam:
Oh, and it seems I now live in 'The Iraq'! :'(
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Updated through 3 Dec.
Is this a test? :lol: :lol:
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Tremendous, Neobie!!!!! :funny: :funny: :funny:
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well today is Dec 7th and TAR Crew and flags were reported in Asuncion, Paraguay international airport today. See twitter thread for reference.
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LOOK AT THIS: it's from a Patagonian newspaper
http://www.lacuencadellago.cl/web/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=40:the-amazing-race-dejó-zona-lacustre-con-destino-a-la-ciudad-de-bariloche-argentina&Itemid=77
It says:
*** The Amazing Race dejó zona lacustre con destino a la ciudad de Bariloche, Argentina ***
El próximo destino de las grabaciones de la serie televisiva norteamericana “The amazing race” sería la ciudad trasandina de Bariloche, en donde continuarían las competencias para ver que pareja gana el afamado reality-competencia que se está llevando a cabo en Sudamérica. ---
Por otra parte, y como mostramos ayer la fotografía revelaría a la pareja eliminada de la competencia; una señora de unos 70 años junto a una joven, tras las pruebas que se realizaron en la zona lacustre de Pto. Varas.
Translation:
*** The Amazing Race leaves lake zone for Bariloche, Argentina as destinatio***
The next film destination os the northamerican tv series "The Amazin Race" would be the transandine city, Bariloche, where they would continue the competition to win the famous reality that is taking place in southamerica. --- blah, blah, blah, the reporter didin't like the way guy who greeted them was dressed, blah, blah, blah ---
On the other hand, and as we showed yesterday (me, mariamindy, couldn't find the article) the picture reveals which couple was eliminated from the competition; an old woman, about 70-years-old and a young lady, after all the tasks that took plane in the "Vargas Port" lake area.
Or something like that, I hope it helps.
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I'm thinking we're looking at this for now? Not sure about Germany... :duno:
| Leg |
Phil |
Teams |
Comments |
| Valparaiso |
29 Nov |
29 Nov |
First leg |
| Puerto Montt |
30 Nov |
1 Dec |
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| Bariloche |
2 Dec |
3 Dec |
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| Buenos Aires? |
4 Dec |
5 Dec |
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| Asuncion |
6 Dec |
7 Dec |
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And of course (reference only people living in "The Iraq" would get) the little upside-down broken-ankle-shaped country next to The Iraq should be called "She-bang-a-bang (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5G3EMvDcSw)".
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LOOK AT THIS: it's from a Patagonian newspaper
http://www.lacuencadellago.cl/web/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=40:the-amazing-race-dejó-zona-lacustre-con-destino-a-la-ciudad-de-bariloche-argentina&Itemid=77
It says:
*** The Amazing Race dejó zona lacustre con destino a la ciudad de Bariloche, Argentina ***
El próximo destino de las grabaciones de la serie televisiva norteamericana “The amazing race” sería la ciudad trasandina de Bariloche, en donde continuarían las competencias para ver que pareja gana el afamado reality-competencia que se está llevando a cabo en Sudamérica. ---
Por otra parte, y como mostramos ayer la fotografía revelaría a la pareja eliminada de la competencia; una señora de unos 70 años junto a una joven, tras las pruebas que se realizaron en la zona lacustre de Pto. Varas.
Translation:
*** The Amazing Race leaves lake zone for Bariloche, Argentina as destinatio***
The next film destination os the northamerican tv series "The Amazin Race" would be the transandine city, Bariloche, where they would continue the competition to win the famous reality that is taking place in southamerica. --- blah, blah, blah, the reporter didin't like the way guy who greeted them was dressed, blah, blah, blah ---
On the other hand, and as we showed yesterday (me, mariamindy, couldn't find the article) the picture reveals which couple was eliminated from the competition; an old woman, about 70-years-old and a young lady, after all the tasks that took plane in the "Vargas Port" lake area.
Or something like that, I hope it helps.
Thanks, Mariamindy. That article was discovered several days ago and was discussed in detail elsewhere, so that's why nobody reacted to it. Keep looking, the more eyes watching, the more likely we'll find where they've gone to.
Plaidmoon
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Just something I remembered that might help in trying to find leads online.
The first time I can recall that a local article was published that was uncovered was in relation to TAR 4. A local newspaper published an article in Dutch, with photographs of the cheese/wooden shoes detour option (and Reichen was in the photograph. It wasn't picked up initially because the words "Amazing Race" was not used; IIRC, the Dutch words was used.
It might be helpful to see if foreign language equivalents show up with searches. While the English words are much better known now than then (TAR didn't have much European exposure except through AXN), I'm speculating that with all the blogs, tweets and other sources, there may be something worth mining.
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Just something I remembered that might help in trying to find leads online.
The first time I can recall that a local article was published that was uncovered was in relation to TAR 4. A local newspaper published an article in Dutch, with photographs of the cheese/wooden shoes detour option (and Reichen was in the photograph. It wasn't picked up initially because the words "Amazing Race" was not used; IIRC, the Dutch words was used.
It might be helpful to see if foreign language equivalents show up with searches. While the English words are much better known now than then (TAR didn't have much European exposure except through AXN), I'm speculating that with all the blogs, tweets and other sources, there may be something worth mining.
I took a few years of German and I am pretty sure Amazing Race in German is Erstaunlich Rennen. However Rce in Germany can be about 20 diff words. Depending on the noun or verb or how it is used. Dutch is Var... something cant remeber
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Just something I remembered that might help in trying to find leads online.
The first time I can recall that a local article was published that was uncovered was in relation to TAR 4. A local newspaper published an article in Dutch, with photographs of the cheese/wooden shoes detour option (and Reichen was in the photograph. It wasn't picked up initially because the words "Amazing Race" was not used; IIRC, the Dutch words was used.
It might be helpful to see if foreign language equivalents show up with searches. While the English words are much better known now than then (TAR didn't have much European exposure except through AXN), I'm speculating that with all the blogs, tweets and other sources, there may be something worth mining.
I took a few years of German and I am pretty sure Amazing Race in German is Erstaunlich Rennen. However Rce in Germany can be about 20 diff words. Depending on the noun or verb or how it is used. Dutch is Var... something cant remeber
I think we should focus in searching the words "race" "competition" "teams" and the like. I feel it's very unlikely that people who don't know of the show will use the word "Amazing"
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So, we should be seeing teams back in the US sometime in the next week, right? Didn't someone say filming was to wrap around the 20th?
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And of course (reference only people living in "The Iraq" would get) the little upside-down broken-ankle-shaped country next to The Iraq should be called "She-bang-a-bang (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5G3EMvDcSw)".
:cmas50 That's awesome!
(P.S. I love the Christmas smileys! :cmas17)
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Does anyone know how Jeff and Jordan are doing?
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Does anyone know how Jeff and Jordan are doing?
Right now?
No tweets yet?
http://twitter.com/jeffschroeder23
http://twitter.com/BBJordanLloyd
In the race? Check page 1 of this topic :cmas13 .. if you really want to know.
:xmas49
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Thanks I saw it!
Glad I wont have to get hooked on ANOTHER reality show!
Merry Christmas!
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Continuing Apskip's train of thought on flights...
It really depends on the day teams fly out of the Seychelles. If they're headed into Penang, they could make various connections through Johannesburg, Dubai or Mauritius, then through Singapore to Penang. I'm saying it's too early to call before we know exactly which days they were there.
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CBS says teams will travel 40,000 miles through FIVE continents and EIGHT countries.
Continents:
South America
Europe
Asia
North America
Fifth: Africa?
Countries:
Chile
Argentina
Paraguay
France
Germany (?)
Singapore
Malaysia
China
?
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I'm 95% certain they didn't visit Paraguay and had two countries in Europe instead, based on CBS's press release.
Chile
Argentina
Unknown Europe Country
France
Seychelles
Malaysia
Singapore
China
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The reference to the Beatles points towards Hamburg Germany, and I would put it before France and after the South American legs. I also agree that the Seychelles comes after France, if for no other reason that the Seychelles were a French colony at one time, and I suspect with no research that the flight connections from Paris will be easier.
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Agreed. Eight countries means no Paraguay. It was a well-researched hoax though. Too bad they didn't follow through.
We can also now fill in Phil's flight from the Seychelles to Dubai on 12 Dec:
EK 708 to Dubai: 0145-0615
EK 342 to Kuala Lumpur: 1030-2125
MH 1194 to Penang: 2320-0010 (13 Dec)
With 13 Dec being his stand-up day, and the 14 being the race day.
This also means that the Seychelles leg took place on the 11th. If it had ended on the 10th Phil would have been able to get to Penang one day earlier using:
HM 61 to Johannesburg: 0810-1125
SQ 479 to Singapore: 1330-0600 (12 Dec)
MI 352 to Penang: 0805-0930
Working backwards, teams from Paris on 10 Dec would have taken:
HM 7 to Mahe: 1930-0805 (11 Dec)
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Which SOLIDLY gives us Phil's ZIGZAG route!! :jumpy:
Good work everybody!!
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While the teams could have easily got to the Seychelles from Paris on the evening of the 10th (HM 7: 1930-0805), Phil would have had a much harder time the night before. Assuming that he's flying out of Paris where the World War I battlefields are, Phil would probably have had to do this:
QR 20 to Doha: 1505-2325
QR 702 to Mahe: 0045-0640
Which explains why it takes forever to get there.
I'm pretty certain that there are two legs in the Shanghai area. Too much time.
An extra leg should probably apply to Europe as well. The Bariloche leg takes place on 3 Dec. Assuming Phil can't make it out of Argentina that night, he'd be travelling on the 4th and doing his standups latest by the 5th in Germany. Make the 6th the Germany race day, 7th his standup in France and the 8th the France race day, Phil should still be able to fly out that evening direct to the Seychelles. He doesn't do that.
Looks like a 12-leg race, folks.
Leg One: Valparaiso
Leg Two: Puerto Montt, Puerto Varas
Leg Three: Bariloche
Leg Four: Germany
Leg Five: Germany/France
Leg Six: France
Leg Seven: Seychelles
Leg Eight: Penang
Leg Nine: Singapore
Leg Ten: Shanghai
Leg Eleven: Shanghai
Leg Twelve: San Francisco
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Might be tbc
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Are we sure all the battlefields would be close to Paris?? I was thinking Brussels could be closer to some of them...
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If Phil were trying to fly to the Seychelles though, he would probably be chauffered to the Paris airport. At least we know teams won't be headed to Belgium, given the eight countries limit...
Could we figure out when Granny/Granddaughter were "eliminated"? If it were early enough in the day, Phil would be able to get to Europe a day early and we can confirm a third leg in Europe.
| Leg |
Phil |
Teams |
Comments |
| Valparaiso |
29 Nov |
29 Nov |
First leg |
| Puerto Montt |
30 Nov |
1 Dec |
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| Bariloche |
2 Dec |
3 Dec |
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| Germany |
5 or 6 Dec |
6 or 7 Dec |
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| France/Germany |
7 or 8 Dec |
7, 8 or 9 Dec |
Short leg |
| France |
8 or 9 Dec |
9 Dec |
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| Seychelles |
10 Dec |
11 Dec |
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| Penang |
13 Dec |
14 Dec |
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| Singapore |
15 Dec |
16 Dec |
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| Shanghai I |
17 Dec |
18 Dec |
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| Shanghai II |
19 Dec |
19 Dec |
Short leg |
| San Francisco |
20 Dec |
20 Dec |
Final leg |
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Here is a nice link for the battles:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/launch_ani_western_front.shtml
Ypres and the Somme are closer to Brussels, Verdun could go either way. Not suggesting a third leg or any leg in Brussels, just saying the airport mighr be a possibility if there are flights from there.
Of course, I would do anything to avoid CDG! :lol:
Depending on where they are and if they are driving or not, catching the Eurostar in Lille could also be possible to get to Brussels or Paris.
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Looks like a 12-leg race, folks.
Leg One: Valparaiso
Leg Two: Puerto Montt, Puerto Varas
Leg Three: Bariloche
Leg Four: Germany
Leg Five: Germany/France
Leg Six: France
Leg Seven: Seychelles
Leg Eight: Penang
Leg Nine: Singapore
Leg Ten: Shanghai
Leg Eleven: Shanghai
Leg Twelve: San Francisco
Yes! Good to hear. I was worried the 12 leg race of last season was just because there were 12 teams.
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I don't know...can we really say this?? An extended Pitstop or a TBC would change things enormously...are we really sure at this point Neobie?? Also we need to look aat Singapore too, seems like we saw stuff on the 14th and the 16th, but I :duno: right this minute. :lol:
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I don't know...can we really say this?? An extended Pitstop or a TBC would change things enormously...are we really sure at this point Neobie?? Also we need to look aat Singapore too, seems like we saw stuff on the 14th and the 16th, but I :duno: right this minute. :lol:
I'm not taking it as confirmation, but the reason I'm celebrating is because TBC's have not been frequently used in the race recently.
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A TBC might come in if saving the time for a pit stop works the flight schedules better at some point and more efficiently than having two legs with a pit stop, whether of a standard or non-standard length.
Too bad there isn't a way to see if any of the WWI battlefields in France got closed for filming on one of those dates. It would help pin down the timeline.
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If Phil were trying to fly to the Seychelles though, he would probably be chauffered to the Paris airport. At least we know teams won't be headed to Belgium, given the eight countries limit...
Could we figure out when Granny/Granddaughter were "eliminated"? If it were early enough in the day, Phil would be able to get to Europe a day early and we can confirm a third leg in Europe.
| Leg |
Phil |
Teams |
Comments |
| Valparaiso |
29 Nov |
29 Nov |
First leg |
| Puerto Montt |
30 Nov |
1 Dec |
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| Bariloche |
2 Dec |
3 Dec |
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| Germany |
5 or 6 Dec |
6 or 7 Dec |
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| France/Germany |
7 or 8 Dec |
7, 8 or 9 Dec |
Short leg |
| France |
8 or 9 Dec |
9 Dec |
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| Seychelles |
10 Dec |
11 Dec |
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| Penang |
13 Dec |
14 Dec |
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| Singapore |
15 Dec |
16 Dec |
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| Shanghai I |
17 Dec |
18 Dec |
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| Shanghai II |
19 Dec |
19 Dec |
Short leg |
| San Francisco |
20 Dec |
20 Dec |
Final leg |
Assuming this is correct, the NELs will most likely appear in Leg 5, 8, and 10.
Shanghai and the surrounding area's big enough for a double leg.
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if this route is correct, we'll get our three countries with 2 or more legs :yess:
Chile
Germany/France
China
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One more questoin cant the china be a tbc
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One more questoin cant the china be a tbc
That was what I thought. But just me speculating, I guess... :duno:
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I believe these are our flights from the Seychelles to Penang. Not too many alternatives between the two!
Phil
EK 708 to Dubai: 12 0145-0615
EK 342 to Kuala Lumpur: 1030-2125 (sighting)
MH 1194 to Penang: 2320-13 0010
Teams
EK 706 to Dubai: 13 0815-1245
MH 157 to Kuala Lumpur: 1855-14 0605
MH 1138 to Penang: 0915-1015 (sighting)
There are earlier Kuala Lumpur-Penang flights, but I guess the team sighted didn't make it.
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Agreed. Eight countries means no Paraguay. It was a well-researched hoax though. Too bad they didn't follow through.
We can also now fill in Phil's flight from the Seychelles to Dubai on 12 Dec:
EK 708 to Dubai: 0145-0615
EK 342 to Kuala Lumpur: 1030-2125
MH 1194 to Penang: 2320-0010 (13 Dec)
With 13 Dec being his stand-up day, and the 14 being the race day.
This also means that the Seychelles leg took place on the 11th. If it had ended on the 10th Phil would have been able to get to Penang one day earlier using:
HM 61 to Johannesburg: 0810-1125
SQ 479 to Singapore: 1330-0600 (12 Dec)
MI 352 to Penang: 0805-0930
Working backwards, teams from Paris on 10 Dec would have taken:
HM 7 to Mahe: 1930-0805 (11 Dec)
i could how say zip zip around the world this is a zip zip around the world
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Totes ran into the Amazing Race today on the way to Bariloche, gave a team my map, now i don't know where the [bleep] i am.
The blog from Jeber, discovered by ob-la-di-ob-la-da, was posted on the evening of 2 Dec. We know that the Puerto Varas Pit Stop was on 1 Dec, so this must be the teams on their third leg. It looks like Phil and the teams are going to be racing this one out, with no extra day for Phil to film his stand-ups. Hence we have...
| Leg |
Phil |
Teams |
Comments |
| Valparaiso |
29 Nov |
29 Nov |
First leg |
| Puerto Montt |
30 Nov |
1 Dec |
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| Bariloche |
2 Dec |
2 Dec |
Short leg |
The Argentinean article tells us that Germany is next, and Phil can easily make this the next day:
AR1681 to Buenos Aires: 1110-1313, then AF 417 to Paris: 1800-1100, then any flight to whichever city in Germany.
No matter how late he arrives, he would have 5 Dec to himself before teams arrive (at the latest) on the 6th.
| Leg |
Phil |
Teams |
Comments |
| Germany |
5 Dec |
6 Dec |
Latest Case Scenario |
Now let's work backwards from the sighting of Phil on the flight from Dubai to Kuala Lumpur, departing Dubai at 10.30am on 12 Dec. This means that Phil left that morning from the Seychelles on EK 708, departing Mahe at 1.45am and arriving at 6.15am. The Seychelles leg would have ended on the 11th. (If it had ended on the 10th, Phil could get to Penang via Johannesburg and Singapore on the 11th.)
For long-distance legs, Phil usually gets an extra day to film his stand-ups. This means he would have arrived on the 10th, departing Paris (any other airport would work within the same time frame) on the evening of the 9th:
QR 20 to Doha: 1505-2325, then QR 702 to Mahe: 0045-0640
| Leg |
Phil |
Teams |
Comments |
| France |
8 Dec |
9 Dec |
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| Seychelles |
10 Dec |
11 Dec |
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| Penang |
13 Dec |
14 Dec |
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You guys see the space that suggests an extra leg between arriving in Germany and leaving France? (The extra leg appearing in the Seychelles could work as well.)
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The Argentinean article tells us that Germany is next, and Phil can easily make this the next day:
AR1681 to Buenos Aires: 1110-1313, then AF 417 to Paris: 1800-1100, then any flight to whichever city in Germany.
No matter how late he arrives, he would have 5 Dec to himself before teams arrive (at the latest) on the 6th.
Thanks Neobie!! I love seeing it all spelled out...
Why do you call Bariloche a short leg though? Does it HAVE to be?
If the teams have to get all the way to that estancia on those roads, I am starting to wonder if maybe we could have two legs in Argentina?? Is there anything that says for sure they couldn't?? ???
That would take up that extra day as well. But why the 6th as latest case scenario for Germany? Couldn't the extra time be used up in Argentina instead of Europe?
Just wondering... :colors
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I have been a proponent of 2 legs in Argentina for a while. The second one does not have to be in Buenos Aires.
My comments on using Sao Paulo (GRU) rather than Buenos Aires (EZE) as the transatlantic crossing apply. There would be a narrow time window when it would be appropriate to not go from EZE to GRU for the puddle jump, but most of any 24 hour period would be optimal to go from GRU (even with the 2 hour flight from EZE to GRU factored in).
It seems quite likely that the German city of arrival will be Hamburg. If so, flights from South America will not be connecting in Paris to get there. The preferred alternatives are Munich, Milan-Malpensa and Frankfurt, all of which have prompt flights to Hamburg after arrival.
A similar line of reasoning applies for Paris to Mahe, the main international airport in the Seychelles. I recommend the nonstop flight for CDG arrival after 10am (the drop dead time for the flight to Doha Neobie likes) until 6pm. Earlier or later than that, the connection in Doha is preferred.
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Sounds to me as if a non-standard pit stop is likely at that point so the teams can depart within the CDG window to Mahe.
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Would like to note that standard Pit Stop timings are entirely a thing of the past. Here are the timings for last season:
Tokyo: 12h, Cai Be: ~20h, Ho Chi Minh City: ~33h, Phnom Penh: ~20h, Dubai I: ~23h, Dubai II: 25h, Groningen: 36h, Stockholm: ~12h, Riga: ~34h, Prague I: 10h, Prague II: 10h
One thing that has stayed consistent is the 12h Pit Stop for the first leg, and a new phenomenon of double legs with <12h Pit Stop times in the penultimate city, usually with one night leg and one day leg. I suppose that should be the case with Shanghai as well.
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Would like to note that standard Pit Stop timings are entirely a thing of the past. Here are the timings for last season:
Tokyo: 12h, Cai Be: ~20h, Ho Chi Minh City: ~33h, Phnom Penh: ~20h, Dubai I: ~23h, Dubai II: 25h, Groningen: 36h, Stockholm: ~12h, Riga: ~34h, Prague I: 10h, Prague II: 10h
One thing that has stayed consistent is the 12h Pit Stop for the first leg, and a new phenomenon of double legs with <12h Pit Stop times in the penultimate city, usually with one night leg and one day leg. I suppose that should be the case with Shanghai as well.
i think they make this a tbc
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My suspicion about last season pit stops was that the extent of them was due to the west-to-east global routing it took.
If 12 hour pit stops are a thing of the past, I suspect we'll know once this one is played out.
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I heard from a friend of mine who comes from Shanghai that the show was filmed in shanghai for three or four days.
So there should be two legs in Shanghai!!!! :lol:
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:bigwelcome to RFF lp08479!!
Thanks so much for sharing with us!! :jumpy:
Is there any more that you might be able to tell us?? We know just a little about Shanghai so far...
But sometimes Phill is there a day ahead to film standups, then the day of the tasks, then the departure day makes three days already...so it would be helpful if your friend could say that teams were filmed for 3 or 4 days, it does make a difference.
But Neobie also believes that there may be two legs, if so, what a great thing to let us see more of Shanghai!! :hearts:
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It's great to hear about a possible second Shanghai leg. I think someone mentioned it, but the last three races have all spent two legs in the penultimate city.
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I just want to make one observation. Ever since TAR 12, the structure of the route has changed in consistent ways from earlier seasons. We now have a pattern with 11-12 legs, rather than 12-13 (and I'm not counting the uberlegs as seprate legs in this comparison).
In the recent Races, there has been a consistent pattern of two or three cities where there are double legs. In the earlier seasons , two legs in a country didn't always mean two legs in the same city or metropolitan area. And it appears the remaining legs are often a grouped together so that several proximate countries are plotted out in each continent/area the route goes through. I'm sure it may be stating the obvious, but my point is that there really is a change since Race 12 as compared to the Races prior to that one.
Actually, TAR 12 did not stay in the same city for one leg (they went out to the country and back into the capital during the Burkino Faso legs). TAR 14 only stayed in Beijing due to the TBC. TAR 13 stayed in Delhi and Moscow, and TAR 15 stayed in Dubai and Prague for 2 legs each.
A far more visible trend that really started in TAR 13 is the fact that 3 countries host more than 1 leg:
TAR 13: Brazil, India, Russia.
TAR 14: Russia, Thailand, China.
TAR 15: Vietnam, Dubai, Czech Republic.
We know that Chile has 2 legs for TAR 16. That leaves 2 more unaccounted for.
Furthermore, the last city (Moscow, Beijing, Prague) has held 2 legs.
Yep, and it appears as if the pattern will hold again this season.
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:bigwelcome to RFF lp08479!!
Thanks so much for sharing with us!! :jumpy:
Is there any more that you might be able to tell us?? We know just a little about Shanghai so far...
But sometimes Phill is there a day ahead to film standups, then the day of the tasks, then the departure day makes three days already...so it would be helpful if your friend could say that teams were filmed for 3 or 4 days, it does make a difference.
But Neobie also believes that there may be two legs, if so, what a great thing to let us see more of Shanghai!! :hearts:
As you know, TAR 14 went to Beijing China for two legs since 2008 Olympics was hold there and a big part of that two legs was relative of Olympics.
And this time, World Exhibition 2010 is going to be hold in Shanghai which is the biggest World Exhibition in the history. (http://en.expo2010.cn/)
Most of countries all over the world will participate in it and a lot of beautiful pavilions have been build in shanghai.(http://en.expo2010.cn/participation/pop/moren.htm)
So it is very very possible for TAR 16 to do something about World ExExhibition 2010 in Shanghai this time. :jumpy:
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They were definitely in Shanghai. I was on the flight with TAR contestants from Shanghai back to the US in Dec. They originally told me they were part of some travel show. There were 4 teams on my flight...
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They were definitely in Shanghai. I was on the flight with TAR contestants from Shanghai back to the US in Dec. They originally told me they were part of some travel show. There were 4 teams on my flight...
4 teams?? This is a little strange. Either
A) These were the teams that were NOT sequested
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B) The final 4 got on the same flight due to lack of flights (which I cannot believe. Just go via LAX. Last time I went back there were 3 flights to LAX leaving the same afternoon)
or
C) F4 racing to finish line???
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They were definitely in Shanghai. I was on the flight with TAR contestants from Shanghai back to the US in Dec. They originally told me they were part of some travel show. There were 4 teams on my flight...
4 teams?? This is a little strange. Either
A) These were the teams that were sequested
or
B) The final 4 got on the same flight due to lack of flights (which I cannot believe. Just go via LAX. Last time I went back there were 3 flights to LAX leaving the same afternoon)
or
C) F4 racing to finish line???
I doubt it will be a final 4 but I think that one of them was eliminated and took the same flight with the final 3 :duno:
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I doubt it will be a final 4 but I think that one of them was eliminated and took the same flight with the final 3
Or there could be a surprise twist that has one of the 4 teams eliminated in the US. It could be very unexpected. We're watching Episode 11 (on the basis of a 12 episode season), and they went through all of the 3 NE episodes (or 2 NE + 1 TBC), and you'd think that this episode is obviously a Philimination.
Then Phil saves that team, and everyone watching is in shock. Then, it's finale time. Everyone is trying to get back to the US and to the Finish line. Somewhere in the middle of the episode, there's a mid-leg Philimination. Then they're down to 3 teams, all of which will race to the Finish Mat.
Probably won't happen, although I might reconsider the possibility of the above occurring, if we're lucky enough to get a 2-hr finale (with a single leg stretched out in the form of the AR 6-9 premieres).
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They were definitely in Shanghai. I was on the flight with TAR contestants from Shanghai back to the US in Dec. They originally told me they were part of some travel show. There were 4 teams on my flight...
:welcome2: to RFF turtlerun!! That is great news!! Thank you so much for sharing!! :hearts:
For the rest of you....decoys, remember?? :groan:
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The World Exhibition in Shanghai is the "World's Fair" that has been held in a number of cities that TAR has visited over the years, beginning with TAR 1's finish at Flushing Meadows, New York City at the Uniglobe erected for the 1964-65 World's Fair (and site of the 1939 World'd Fair before that.)
(This is why I think Georgiapeach and I are surprised that TAR hasn't made it to Atlanta yet (as a start or end city as it hosted a World Fair in 1886 (Peidmont Park was the exact location) and the Centennial Olympic Games in 1996. (St. Louis also held a World Fair and the Olympics at the same time in 1904.)
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The World Exhibition in Shanghai is the "World's Fair" that has been held in a number of cities that TAR has visited over the years, beginning with TAR 1's finish at Flushing Meadows, New York City at the Uniglobe erected for the 1964-65 World's Fair (and site of the 1939 World'd Fair before that.)
(This is why I think Georgiapeach and I are surprised that TAR hasn't made it to Atlanta yet (as a start or end city as it hosted a World Fair in 1886 (Peidmont Park was the exact location) and the Centennial Olympic Games in 1996. (St. Louis also held a World Fair and the Olympics at the same time in 1904.)
Nable tooo dangrous or is me
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Let's try to keep this thread for TIMELINE (what happens when and where) comments only please. Other comments can go to speculation, or discussion, or the location or contestant spoiler threads.
It helps if we all try to keep this for a lean working thread to figure out dates and sequences.
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I updated woden's outdated thread. (See 2nd post.)
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They were definitely in Shanghai. I was on the flight with TAR contestants from Shanghai back to the US in Dec. They originally told me they were part of some travel show. There were 4 teams on my flight...
Thank you for sharing this information. This helps us out. Do you think you can recognize the contestants? If you go to the topic "The Amazing Race 16 Contestant Spoilers", we have pictures of all the contestants on Page 1 of that topic.
Plaidmoon
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Yay! :yess: The teams are going to Shanghai! I've been there btw. Anyways, i just checked the amazing race 16 wikipedia page and if it hasn't been posted yet, it looks like the teams will be heading to THE SEYCHELLES.
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Ok. Here is the timeline. TAR6 contestants on UA858 from Pudong, China to San Francisco, CA on Dec. 20th, 2009. They were held up at the custom area due to large number of returning passengers from multiple aircrafts.
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I updated woden's outdated thread. (See 2nd post.)
Good job! Thank you, I know woden is busy so its appreciated.
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Ok. Here is the timeline. TAR6 contestants on UA858 from Pudong, China to San Francisco, CA on Dec. 20th, 2009. They were held up at the custom area due to large number of returning passengers from multiple aircrafts.
Thank you turtlerun!! We appreciate your sharing!! :hearts:
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Been out of town for a week -- sorry for the delay on timeline updating. Think it's fully updated now, but just let me know if you think I've missed something.
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Neobie, I'm updating the timeline currently and trying to figure out the last several legs. Here are the sightings we have:
Dec 12: Phil spotted in Dubai en route to Malaysia
Dec 14: Team (boys) spotted en route from KL to Penang
Dec 15: Phil spotted in Penang International Airport McDonald's (apx 5:45pm)
So if teams are in Seychelles on 12/11, I think there's time for a KL leg on 12/12 and/or 12/13. Having trouble finding time for a second Shanghai leg, though. Our report of filming in Shanghai for 3-4 days is pretty typical for a single leg (including production set-up/tear-down time). Can you help?
Welcome back Woden!
I have Phil arriving in Kuala Lumpur on the 12th at 9.25pm, which suggests he films his stand-ups on the 13th and that the Malaysia leg takes place on the 14th. Phil leaving Penang on the 15th ties in well with a stand-up day in Singapore then, followed by the Singapore leg on the 16th.
Teams leave Shanghai at 1.45pm of the 20th. Even if Phil gets a day for himself in China on the 17th, we have the Shanghai leg taking place on the 18th, and too much downtime before leaving. Phil hasn't needed an extra day for stand-ups in the final city for the past few seasons, and Pit Stops have been cut short in the double legs in TAR 13 Moscow, TAR 14 Beijing and TAR 15 Prague. I believe that there is a second leg on the 19th (maybe/likely night of 18th), before the final departure on the 20th.
On a (tangentially) related note: we presume teams took UA 858 from Shanghai to San Francisco (1345-0825). This means they didn't manage to catch FM 827 (1000-1250) to Seoul, connecting to UA 892 to San Francisco (1505-0806), and that gives us a four-hour window in which teams could have been released from the penultimate Pit Stop.
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Shanghai Elimination Pitstop took place on 12/19 and ran up until 8PM.
More info and PICS coming later today in spoilers. :)
Last flight has been confirmed by turtlerun. :yess:
Teams leave Shanghai at 1.45pm of the 20th. Even if Phil gets a day for himself in China on the 17th, we have the Shanghai leg taking place on the 18th, and too much downtime before leaving. Phil hasn't needed an extra day for stand-ups in the final city for the past few seasons, and Pit Stops have been cut short in the double legs in TAR 13 Moscow, TAR 14 Beijing and TAR 15 Prague. I believe that there is a second leg on the 19th (maybe/likely night of 18th), before the final departure on the 20th.
:winner Neobie has it!!
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Bus Santiago to Bariloche 12/2, or points between
more here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21253.msg509099.html#msg509099
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I missed all the fun :lol:
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Bummer. The Shanghai check in location was where i was staying (Pudong Shangri-la) on the 19th. I can usually see that area from my room since it faces the river. I missed it. :'(
They must have set up that area during the afternoon since i was at the starbuck in the morning. Crap... how could I have missed it completely.
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Oh that is a bummer...I have nightmares about them coming here and me missing them.
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Claire!! :bigwelcome:
We are so excited about Shanghai! Can you tell us whether or not there were 2 legs filmed in Shanghai?/
I heard that the {{ people}} were really nice in Shanghai! :hugs:
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Oh wow!! WHat day was the first Pitstop please?? Where you there too?
Do you know any more places they went?? I am dying to know what they get to do. I can't wait! :jumpy:
I heard there were lots of {{people}} there hired locally. Right? :yess:
And what time (second leg) did the first team arrive, about?? And would you recognize a picture of them?? Was it a Male/Female team or a Male/Male team??
Thanks SO much for sharing Claire!! This is fun!! :hearts:
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:jam: Thanks, Claire. SSTM website here (http://www.sstm.org.cn/structure/english/index), map here (http://sh.edushi.com/?oid=22175).
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It will be so exciting to look up all those places!!
So they arrived into Shanghai on 12/18 at the airport? Do you remember what flight they were on?? Did they all come in together??
And all those places were the first leg?? Or some the second leg too? Can you tell us which places are on which leg?? ???
Do you know what they did in the speedbump? We know the last team was pretty late (second pitstop)...
Any stories to tell about what happened or what you saw??
Do you know the order of arrival on the first leg??
Sorry...I have SO many questions!! :-[ :-[ :-[
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Thanks for sharing Claire. :waves:
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Oh Claire!! :hearts:
Now I am jealous!! What a wonderful time!! Even if you did almost freeze.
Oh, we wondered why Louie and Michael were so far behind!! Then it is the dragon puzzle not the speedbump that does them in?? :'( yes, we think they must be really nice, we are sorry they go.
DO you know where the teams got to stay that night between?
Pork chops or Dumplings?? Is that an eating task?? Or what?? :lol:
Did you help at the airport on the last day too??
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thanks for sharing claire
and you mentioned in your previous post, i am very puzzled to see that there were actually 2 roadblocks, which is kinda impossible, nevertheless good job in spoiling the beans here
谢谢你告诉我们所有的资料
你自前所说的，在第一集，让我感到好奇的事，为什么会有两个 roadblock??，可是你做非常的好，让我们知道怎个节目的点点滴滴。
希望你玩得很开心
There are two legs in Shanghai. One Roadblock per leg.
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The flight arrival times cited for Dec. 18 suggest that it teams must have been on one of these 2 flights from Singapore to Shanghai and arrived ahead of schedule:
MU544 actual dep. 0111 (16 minutes late) arrival unknown, but likely before 0600
SQ824 actual dep. 0130 (15 minutes late) arrival at 0559 (26 minutes ahead of schedule)
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Could the second RB on the first leg be a Detour choice that everyone does?
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So it looks like we have two separate legs in Shanghai. So it's either 12 legs (with or without a potential double leg somewhere else), or 11 legs.
And it also looks as though we'll be suffering through some F4 predictability again. But the tasks sound interesting.
And I don't see any reason there would be two Roadblocks, so one of them must either be a Route Marker, Fast Forward, or Detour choice.
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One of those tasks could also be a "general" task that is not a roadblock, detour, or speedbump.
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Thanks Claire... Wow. So much detail. There are so much construction going on in Shanghai due to the 2010 Expo. Easy to get lost around the traffic jam... The burgundy taxi drivers are the wildest. I am looking forward to seeing them on the TV - I think I have been to all of the places during the Shanghai leg. :jumpy: If I remember a conversation i had with Mike/Louis on the plane back to US. They left something in the cab and had to call to retrieve it.
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Hopefully NOT their passports. :lol:
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Hopefully NOT their passports. :lol:
well it seems to happen EVERY season nowadays...
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Hopefully NOT their passports. :lol:
well it seems to happen EVERY season nowadays...
:lol: And by that you mean the past 2 seasons :lol: :) lol or is it 3? Pretty sure 2....I haven't rewatched episodes yet and am about to start going through the older seasons in between new Season 16 episodes.
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Hopefully NOT their passports. :lol:
well it seems to happen EVERY season nowadays...
:lol: And by that you mean the past 2 seasons :lol: :) lol or is it 3? Pretty sure 2....I haven't rewatched episodes yet and am about to start going through the older seasons in between new Season 16 episodes.
3 i believe
Season 13: Dallas leaves his team's passports (along with their money, clues, etc. in the fanny pack) in a cab, and loses them for good in Moscow, Russia
Season 14: Kisha and Jen leave their fannypacks (with passports inside) at the dock in Bangkok, Thailand, but are able to retrieve them to continue in the race
Season 15: Justin loses Zev's passport in a rush to pull a light out of his fanny pack. They are able to find it the next day or so, but it's already been to late and they have been eliminated
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Hopefully NOT their passports. :lol:
well it seems to happen EVERY season nowadays...
:lol: And by that you mean the past 2 seasons :lol: :) lol or is it 3? Pretty sure 2....I haven't rewatched episodes yet and am about to start going through the older seasons in between new Season 16 episodes.
3 i believe
Season 13: Dallas leaves his team's passports (along with their money, clues, etc. in the fanny pack) in a cab, and loses them for good in Moscow, Russia
Season 14: Kisha and Jen leave their fannypacks (with passports inside) at the dock in Bangkok, Thailand, but are able to retrieve them to continue in the race
Season 15: Justin loses Zev's passport in a rush to pull a light out of his fanny pack. They are able to find it the next day or so, but it's already been to late and they have been eliminated
Ah yes. 14 threw me off. Forgot that it was 3 losses and 2 that actually effected the race. I've always felt as if that would be my biggest fear with traveling abroad....on OR off the race.
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Hopefully NOT their passports. :lol:
well it seems to happen EVERY season nowadays...
:lol: And by that you mean the past 2 seasons :lol: :) lol or is it 3? Pretty sure 2....I haven't rewatched episodes yet and am about to start going through the older seasons in between new Season 16 episodes.
3 i believe
Season 13: Dallas leaves his team's passports (along with their money, clues, etc. in the fanny pack) in a cab, and loses them for good in Moscow, Russia
Season 14: Kisha and Jen leave their fannypacks (with passports inside) at the dock in Bangkok, Thailand, but are able to retrieve them to continue in the race
Season 15: Justin loses Zev's passport in a rush to pull a light out of his fanny pack. They are able to find it the next day or so, but it's already been to late and they have been eliminated
Ah yes. 14 threw me off. Forgot that it was 3 losses and 2 that actually effected the race. I've always felt as if that would be my biggest fear with traveling abroad....on OR off the race.
it sure is mine. i keep that thing glued to my chest for the entire trip
oh lord what a mess that would be...
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Technically it happened twice in TAR14, with Amanda & Kris in Romania. They found it, but that ultimately cost them first place.
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Technically it happened twice in TAR14, with Amanda & Kris in Romania. They found it, but that ultimately cost them first place.
OMG i forgot about that one!
but, we've travelled very far :ot:
let's make our way back to the timeline!
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Back to the timeline discussion with my take on the following:
And I don't see any reason there would be two Roadblocks, so one of them must either be a Route Marker, Fast Forward, or Detour choice.
Yeah, they're not going to have two Roadblocks on that first leg. That's barring yet another curve ball. I also agree that it's likely a task that everyone has to do. The puzzle task seems like a general task, compared to the noddle-making RB.
As for a Fast Forward, I doubt they would have one in the penultimate segment. Since they've been doing 1-2 FF, it's only surfaced on the final elimination leg once (guess there was reward for saving it until it was the most advantageous). But you never know; I think if there's a Fast Forward, it would be on the first leg for a NEL, but the second one if it's a double TBC leg. Finally, if it's an uber leg, the golden buddhas and something else could be the first detour right before the faux pitstop.
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It isn't a TBC, it is a NEL. ;)
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Oops! Sorry! Good to know, however; thanks!
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I'm drawing a blank for the second flight. Does anyone have a clue?
Assumptions:
1. Brent/Caite and Jeff/Jordan are on the first flight, as they are in the lead in the EW preview.
2. The spoiler that Brent/Caite, Jeff/Jordan and Mike/Louie were on the Miami flight is correct.
Knowns:
1. All teams were in Terminal 4 of LAX.
2. The second flight leaves "almost an hour" behind the first.
3. EXIF data has Jeff/Jordan in the American terminal at 11.47am.
We have two possible flights into Miami for the lead teams. AA 1516 (1220-2005) or AA 252 (1430-2215), connecting to LA 957 to Santiago (2345-1010). The flights that leave between half an hour to an hour behind these two flights from Terminal 4 make it to Saint Louis, Roswell, San Jose, San Diego, Monterrey, Austin and Dallas. No teams were seen on the Dallas flight, nor does it come in later than the Miami flight for Brent/Caite and Jeff/Jordan to hold a lead. How did those other 8 teams get to Santiago?
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I guarantee you: The Mompreneurs were headed to Dallas. :tup:
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Despite them not being seen at Dallas...there was def room on that flight and there could well have been some preboarding done. If they either pre-boarded them all, or snuck them on not via the main boarding area, they could have been missed.
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Did look like the lead teams could have made the connecting flight and not have to bunch through Miami! They had a 2.5h scheduled connection that was cut to 2h, if they had risked the delay and stayed on with their original itinerary.
AA 2448 to Dallas 1452-1925 (scheduled 1350-1845)
AA 945 to Santiago 2125-0947 (scheduled 2110-0945)
But well! Dallas mystery solved! That was a nice surprise...
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Now we know..... I am not sure I would have taken the chance either though.
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I guarantee you: The Mompreneurs were headed to Dallas. :tup:
They bounced me out of the American Airlines Gate area at about 1:10 pm. The Dallas flight was scheduled to to leave at 1:50 pm.
Missed it by that much ! :lol:
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Chateau. your inbox is full; I can't respond to your PM.
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making room ... try it now!
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I have notice that no one knows where they are going after argentina. They were spoted in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. All I know, it was nine teams and had to go to a local bowling lane and bowl a strike in 5 pin bowling. The challenge took an hour and a half to complete for start to finish.
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cant it be local the amazing race it show the amazing hunt
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Sorry, not our race. Wrong dates...
The Amazing Race” Makes Quick Stop in Winnipeg
Nov. 03, 2009 at 7:26 am CDT in Entertainment
Cast and crew from the hit CBS reality show “The Amazing Race” were in Winnipeg on Friday — this, according to Dave Wheeler at Power 97.
Wheels said in an e-mail late Monday that they were filming here for the next season, and needed to shoot a bowling scene. Because there isn’t five-pin bowling in the U.S., they had to make a stop at Dakota Lanes in St. Vital.
The shoot apparently took an hour and a half.
No word if Winnipeg was a scheduled stop, or a spur of the moment decision made by production staff.
Forget The Forks, Winnipeg is now known for its bowling centres. But The Forks is still cool, too.
UPDATE: According to some readers, it wasn’t the TV show that was in town, but rather Family Services doing their own Amazing Race.
http://www.chrisd.ca/blog/16489/the-amazing-race-bowling-winnipeg/
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i think we can now update the last unknown country, Germany
http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?tvobjectid=299761&more=ucepisodelist&episodeid=14396511
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Hmmmm...back to the Hamburg vs Liverpool discussion.
TV Guide is not infallible, but if this is based on a CBS press release then it could be correct, in which case we won't see Liverpool. :(
Discuss here please:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21253.msg511987.html#msg511987
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The Hamburg information fits in with our original timetable, since it was created with the "Germany after Bariloche" newspaper article in mind. Narrowing it down to Hamburg narrows downs our dates, though, as Phil can make it to Hamburg by the morning of the 4th if he leaves Bariloche on the night of the 2nd.
Peach, from the media and spoiler information we have of Bariloche, I'm relatively certain it's a one-day, one-leg affair.
| Leg |
Phil |
Teams |
Comments |
| Valparaiso |
29 Nov |
29 Nov |
First leg |
| Puerto Varas |
30 Nov |
1 Dec |
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| Bariloche |
2 Dec |
2 Dec |
Short leg |
| Hamburg |
4 Dec |
5 Dec |
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| France/Germany |
6 Dec |
6 or 7 Dec |
Possible short leg |
| France |
7 or 8 Dec |
8 Dec |
Possible short leg |
| Seychelles |
10 Dec |
11 Dec |
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| Penang |
13 Dec |
14 Dec |
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| Singapore |
15 Dec |
16 Dec |
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| Shanghai I |
17 Dec |
18 Dec |
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| Shanghai II |
19 Dec |
19 Dec |
Short leg |
| San Francisco |
20 Dec |
20 Dec |
Final leg |
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Precisely who is stating no Liverpool? Certainly not me, as I think Liverpool is highly probable as a leg. Somebody has hypothesized 3 European legs. Tha allows for Hamburg, Liverpool and France WWI battlefield.
Also, I think Phil rushing to get to whichever of those is first is not going to happen. He will get there, but probably not until Dec. 6. Remember that an extended pit stop is likely in Bariloche before teams go go into the Northern Hemisphere for a very cold winter.
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Precisely who is stating no Liverpool? Somebody has hypothesized 3 European legs. Tha allows for Hamburg, Liverpool and France WWI battlefield.
Also, I think Phil rushing to get to whichever of those is first is not going to happen. He will get there, but probably not until Dec. 3. Remeber that an extended pit stop is likely in Bariloche befre teams go go into the Northern Hemisphere for a very cold winter.
Liverpool OR Hamburg, since the CBS press release declares eight countries, if excluding the USA.
Phil will most definitely not be able to get to Europe before Dec 4. If the Bariloche leg ends on the afternoon of the 2nd, he'd only be able to make it to Buenos Aires late that night, and there are no flights from South America to Europe until the afternoon of the 3rd, arriving in Europe on the morning of the 4th. I agree that teams are very likely going to be held back longer than 12h, not because of the weather, but because they'd end up on the same flight as Phil into Europe otherwise.
Edited to add: 8 teams flying from Bariloche to Hamburg at the right timing will result in absolute chaos, unless TPTB spoils all the fun and forces them through the same airports. I've been looking at the best flight for Phil on the evening of the 2nd, and I have him (if he really wanted the absolute fastest route) flying to Buenos Aires, switching airports, then onward to Sao Paulo and Munich before arriving in Hamburg.
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Who says there are 2 legs in Germany?? :lol:
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Just for record's sake. Right on schedule with the timings, this leg took place from 30 Nov to 1 Dec, with the action taking place on the latter date.
Bus to Temuco (0915-1815), then to Puerto Montt (1900-0045)
Jet/Cord
Bus to Puerto Montt (1730-0600)
Joe/Heidi, Carol/Brandy
Bus to Temuco (0915-1815), then to Puerto Montt (0100-0645)
Brent/Caite, Jeff/Jordan
Bus to Puerto Montt (1945-0815)
Dan/Jordan, Monique/Shawne, Louie/Michael, Steve/Allie
Bus to Puerto Montt (2030-0840)
Jody/Shannon
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I'm not sure if it was editing or just a mistake on Shannon's part, but she said "8:30" and the monitor presented 19:15. Anyway, it's a calendar confirmation.
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It's a huge pity that Jody/Shannon didn't bother to look for connecting buses knowing they were at the back. There was a bus that left Santiago at 1.30pm that could have got them into Temuco at 10.30pm, with three hours of slack to catch the 1.30am bus to Puerto Varas the couples got on...
And they arrived in Santiago at 7.30am! What were they thinking? :groan:
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Just in case these are helpful...(thanks for the reminder Slowhatch!!)
Episode 1 special thanks
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/TAR16ep1specialthanks.jpg)
Episode 2 special thanks
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/TAR16ep2specialthanks.jpg)
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Thanks Peach! Ah, looks like teams were made to take the Ascensor Conception as well, just before the paint task - that could somewhat explain Brent/Caite's move. They probably took the second ascensor, thinking that fulfilled the requirement, but skipping the earlier Ascensor Villaseca down their first hill.
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A night leg in Hamburg, with Jet/Cord running around in broad daylight? Can we figure this one out?
Phil eliminated Monique/Shawne after sunset (9.03pm) on 2 Dec, which means he's missed the last flight out of Bariloche airport at 8.20pm. The earliest flight the next day to Buenos Aires doesn't leave until the late morning, and here's the fastest itinerary for him:
AR 1681 to Buenos Aires AEP: 1110 (3 Dec) - 1313
Transfer to Buenos Aires EZE
AF 417 to Paris: 1800 - 1100 (4 Dec)
AF 2210 to Hamburg: 1525 - 1655
This means he arrives after sunset (4.02pm), so I believe with a day for Phil to relax, the bulk of the teams don't start racing in Hamburg until the evening of the 5th. Note that all other teams checked in before sunset, meaning that if it were a 12h Pit Stop, pretty much every team would be on the same flight as Phil going into Hamburg.
But... is this a daylight shot?
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR16/ep%204/rff-0027.jpg)
If Jet/Cord, leaving first from the Pit Stop, miss all flights on 3 Dec, they would be best off taking the same itinerary as proposed above, arriving in Hamburg at the earliest at 4.55pm on 5 Dec. That has them arriving after sunset, which wouldn't give us a daytime shot, unless the leg stretches over to the next morning (I'd say unlikely)...
But if they took the last flight out of Bariloche on the 3rd, they'd be able to make this itinerary:
AR 2689 to Buenos Aires AEP: 2015 (3 Dec) - 2218
Transfer to Buenos Aires EZE
JJ 8003 to Sao Paulo: 0400 (4 Dec) - 0745
LH 505 to Munich: 1440 - 0520 (5 Dec)
LH 36 to Hamburg: 0635 - 0755
... Which gives the brothers a 9h lead. Is that at all possible?
ETA: Even if TPTB mandates entering Germany via Frankfurt, Jet/Cord would arrive in Hamburg at 11.15am over the next best flight arriving at 5.00pm. If TPTB mandates entering Germany in Hamburg, Jet/Cord could potentially arrive at 11.35am via London.
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I'd consider an iirregular length pit stop that gives Phil time to take a flight ahead of the teams, and see how much of a airport departure spread that would give the teams.
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If pressed. I would say that that photo looks like a little shaded lighted lamp on the bar, not daylight....
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Looks like somewhat of a 12h Pit Stop in Puerto Varas? Jody/Shannon arrived the day before at 3.50pm, and we have Mike/Louie, who arrived not too far ahead of them, checking out at 3.12am. The cowboys started the previous leg in Petrohue at 7.30am and left Puerto Varas at 11.20pm, which fits closely with a 12h Pit Stop. Phil didn't give us the am/pm spiel though...
I'm going to back-pedal on Jet/Cord having an immense lead, if teams fly into Frankfurt to take a train to Hamburg. The first flight into Buenos Aires AEP arrives at 1.13pm and the last arrives at 10.23pm. The best options at any point in time from Buenos Aires EZE to Frankfurt are:
1520-1035 via Sao Paulo
1700-1325 via Madrid
1900-1400 via Sao Paulo
2150-1500 direct
2200-1755 via Madrid
2240-1920 via Madrid
2245-2010 via Rome
The only flight that arrives before sunset (after a train ride to Hamburg) is the first Sao Paulo flight, so if Jet/Cord do appear in the tavern before sunset, that's probably the one they're on. They'd still have at least a three hour lead entering Hamburg, though.
I believe Phil leaves Bariloche the morning of the 3rd, arriving on the afternoon of the 4th:
BRC-AEP (1110-1313), EZE-GRU (1520-1900), GRU-FRA (2005-1035), FRA-HAM (1220-1320)
And that teams leave Bariloche on the 4th after a ~40h Pit Stop (wow!), with Jet/Cord barely making the 11.10am flight, and all teams arriving in Hamburg late afternoon of the 5th after changing to the ICE train in Frankfurt.
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A 40 hour pit stop, much less a 36 hour pit stop is relative rare these days, but were quite common in the past. I have a feeling things got improvised a little bit if the detective work is correct that Phil narrowly missed an opportunity to fly out that night when leg 3 was completed.
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Possibly Eliminated:
Jeff & Jordan (eliminated at/before this point, spotted at Elimination Station in Puerto Vallarta 12/9)
Joe & Heidi (last team sent to Elimination Station, spotted with other ES teams at SFO
Woden (or whoever else knows the answer): How do we know this? ???
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Possibly Eliminated:
Jeff & Jordan (eliminated at/before this point, spotted at Elimination Station in Puerto Vallarta 12/9)
Joe & Heidi (last team sent to Elimination Station, spotted with other ES teams at SFO
Woden (or whoever else knows the answer): How do we know this? ???
I'm guessing that if Jeff and Jordan make it through the Hamburg leg and into the France leg, there won't be enough time after they get eliminated to make it to Puerto Vallarta by December 9th. If the Hamburg leg is a non-elimination leg, then it's even more likely that Jeff and Jordan are the next to go.
Plaidmoon
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Possibly Eliminated:
Jeff & Jordan (eliminated at/before this point, spotted at Elimination Station in Puerto Vallarta 12/9)
Joe & Heidi (last team sent to Elimination Station, spotted with other ES teams at SFO
Woden (or whoever else knows the answer): How do we know this? ???
As Plaidmoon says, it is a matter of dates. We know JJ were already in Puerto Vallarta on an outing by Dec 9.
IF our tentative filming date for France of Dec 9 is correct, they can't be there, so must go in Germany. :(
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Possibly Eliminated:
Jeff & Jordan (eliminated at/before this point, spotted at Elimination Station in Puerto Vallarta 12/9)
Joe & Heidi (last team sent to Elimination Station, spotted with other ES teams at SFO
Woden (or whoever else knows the answer): How do we know this? ???
You really should put a magenta (not fully purple) label over their placings then.
I know who I'm not choosing this week. :neener:
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I am just curious how y'all got the date of December 9th for the photo of Jeff and Jordan?
I originally saw the picture posted on Jokers and the person who posted it said that they didn't know exactly when it was taken (it was taken by their mom's friend) but that it was taken some time in the next week (they posted it on December 16th from what I remember) and it was at a parade where they shut down the street town for the celebration.
Anyways, on a BB board I post on a lot of people did a LOT of searching and they found a parade that occurred on that street on December 12th, they found other celebrations that occurred that whole week but the only thing they shut that street down at least that we could find was on December 12th...anyways I am not saying y'all are wrong, y'all are for sure the pros and I trust what you say I just know that there were a LOT of people over at the BB board that did hours of searching and we could never come up with the date of the 9th so I was just curious how y'all came up with that date :)
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Now that I can't answer...I thought we knew the date somehow??
We'll have to ask woden that one.
Thanks heyhay!
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I just don't have time to go back and search the whole location thread for this...but did we maybe get the exif data off the pic?? ???
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I just don't have time to go back and search the whole location thread for this...but did we maybe get the exif data off the pic?? ???
I scanned through the destinations/locations and spoilers threads quickly and couldn't find anything much about the Jeff and Jordan elimination station picture. Most of the discussion of it seems to be in the speculation thread. I never did find anything concrete about the exif data. I did find this comment by Macaroons on page 17 (just after midnight on December 17th) of the sightings/info/tweets thread:
More info on the Jeff/Jordan photo from BBO (at Jokersupdates):
"I think it was taken around a week or so ago. Not positive. Also she said they were being filmed, so not sure if they were eliminated or not. It was taken in Puerta Vallarta."
About a week ago puts it at about December 9.
We may not have a very good handle on the date of the Jeff/Jordan elimination station picture after all. It could have been a few days later given the vagueness of the date comment. Can anyone try to find the exif data on that picture? I'm at work but I might be able to do it later on tonight. I think I have a tool for that somewhere on my computer.
http://s551.photobucket.com/albums/ii473/Toad_Kart/?action=view¤t=15447_1167754394846_1257516399_3040.jpg (http://s551.photobucket.com/albums/ii473/Toad_Kart/?action=view¤t=15447_1167754394846_1257516399_3040.jpg)
Plaidmoon
(http://s551.photobucket.com/albums/ii473/Toad_Kart/?action-view¤t=15447_1167754394846_1257516399_3040.jpg)
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From what I remember when the picture originally came out I don't think anyone was ever able to get the exif data off of it maybe because we never had the original photo only the copy on photobucket or something but I by no means the expert on any of this.
Also there is a lady who posts on the BB board I post on and she had a good friend who was in Puerto Vallarta for a week at that same time, they never saw Jeff and Jordan but they did say that although there was little celebrations through out the week the only big parade/celebration occurred on the 12th, it was on that street (we found screen shots on google maps of the exact corner they were standing on using the restaurant sign and another store sign in the background) and they blocked traffic for the parade...the 12th was also the only day traffic was blocked and people were allowed to just stand on the side of the road. I guess it was for some celebration for Our Lady of Guadelupe or something similar in name.
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Thanks so much heyhay! I think we have to backtrack then unless woden remembers something different.....
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Just to muddy the water slughtly.
It's just as possible that the Hamburg leg, if there is no elimination, is an NEL or a TBC.
First, they've had a TBC in TAR 9 where teams went from Argentina to Russia on the first half, then from Russia to Germany on the second. It could be the same there here...also. (Argentina to Germany; Germany to France.) I'm not saying this is or isn;t, I am saying the logical possibilities work that way.
Second, while Phil said there would be 12 legs, he didn't say 12 episodes, and there is some wiggle room left in May to allow a May 16 finale as there's been for a May 9th finale.
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From what I remember when the picture originally came out I don't think anyone was ever able to get the exif data off of it maybe because we never had the original photo only the copy on photobucket or something but I by no means the expert on any of this.
Also there is a lady who posts on the BB board I post on and she had a good friend who was in Puerto Vallarta for a week at that same time, they never saw Jeff and Jordan but they did say that although there was little celebrations through out the week the only big parade/celebration occurred on the 12th, it was on that street (we found screen shots on google maps of the exact corner they were standing on using the restaurant sign and another store sign in the background) and they blocked traffic for the parade...the 12th was also the only day traffic was blocked and people were allowed to just stand on the side of the road. I guess it was for some celebration for Our Lady of Guadelupe or something similar in name.
Thanks, heyhay. I tried looking for the exif data in a couple of photo editing programs and you're right. The information as to when it was taken, the camera used, the camera settings, etc. are not there. Apparently it was stripped off the photo before it was uploaded to photobucket. Unless someone else remembers something (or searches our threads more thoroughly than I did), I'd say your information about the parade on the 12th is the best estimate we have. In that case, Jeff and Jordan could be eliminated after Joe and Heidi.
Plaidmoon
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In episode 3, Mike and Louie received a one hour penalty for following a taxi cab driver to the Horse sense or Money sense Detour. They arrived at the mat in 7th place just ahead of Brent and Caite, but had to wait there for their penalty to run its course.
This is particularly nice confirmation of what many of us have been hoping for...it is now against the rules to hire a taxi to follow, apparently.
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In episode 3, Mike and Louie received a one hour penalty for following a taxi cab driver to the Horse sense or Money sense Detour. They arrived at the mat in 7th place just ahead of Brent and Caite, but had to wait there for their penalty to run its course.
This is particularly nice confirmation of what many of us have been hoping for...it is now against the rules to hire a taxi to follow, apparently.
There are taxi drivers out in the countryside?
Nice to see the race is emphasizing navigation strongly.
Too bad it seems Monique and Shawne took a while at the detour.
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In episode 3, Mike and Louie received a one hour penalty for following a taxi cab driver to the Horse sense or Money sense Detour.
How did we learn this?
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In episode 3, Mike and Louie received a one hour penalty for following a taxi cab driver to the Horse sense or Money sense Detour.
How did we learn this?
(http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5097.gif)
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An hour seems a tad severe; did they use the cab twice, once to the Detour and once to the pitstop?
Anyway, it's well edited. You can't see the cab, Phil never uses the ordinal ("You're the seventh team to arrive, however..."), and the only tipoff might be when they step up to the mat they come in slightly from the side instead of straight down the path.
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Phil uses the "team number ___" when a teams is checked in after the penalty.
Too bad CBS didn't offer than as an extra online clip.
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Leg 3 Departures
| Jet & Cord | 11:20 am |
| Joe & Heidi | 11:55 am |
| Carol & Brandy | 11:55 am |
| Brent & Caite | 4:25 am* |
| Monique & Shawne | 1:22 am |
| Jeff & Jordan | 2:01 am |
| Steve & Allie | 2:23 am |
| Dan & Jordan | 2:25 am |
| Louie & Michael | 3:12 am |
*Original Departure: 1:20 am
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Leg 3 Departures
| Joe & Heidi | 11:55 am |
| Carol & Brandy | 11:55 am |
Does anyone know why the 1-minute departure rule wasn't put in place this time?
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Leg 3 Departures
| Joe & Heidi | 11:55 am |
| Carol & Brandy | 11:55 am |
Does anyone know why the 1-minute departure rule wasn't followed this time?
I think it is because they arrived at virtually the same time. The same thing happened in season 7, leg 3 with Ron & Kelly and Brian & Greg.
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Leg 3 Departures
| Joe & Heidi | 11:55 am |
| Carol & Brandy | 11:55 am |
Does anyone know why the 1-minute departure rule wasn't followed this time?
Production difficulties have been known to give teams time credit.
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Either credit for production difficulties, or unaired penalties or a combination. (As a for instance a 15-minute penalty and a 15-minute credit for production difficulties could offset.
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Leg 3 Departures
| Joe & Heidi | 11:55 am |
| Carol & Brandy | 11:55 am |
Does anyone know why the 1-minute departure rule wasn't followed this time?
Maybe the TPTB knew that 1 minute made no difference in getting to a bus that left hours later.
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Leg 3 Departures
| Joe & Heidi | 11:55 am |
| Carol & Brandy | 11:55 am |
Does anyone know why the 1-minute departure rule wasn't followed this time?
Maybe the TPTB knew that 1 minute made no difference in getting to a bus that left hours later.
That doesn't matter. They are very exact with these departure times, even if there is a bunching ahead.
Either credit for production difficulties, or unaired penalties or a combination. (As a for instance a 15-minute penalty and a 15-minute credit for production difficulties could offset.
A one-minute production credit? I'm not so sure about that one. Following the standard rules would have had Carol & Brandy departing one minute later. Have they just done away with those rules? :duno:
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No, maybe a net difference in credit of penalties that amount to one minute.
We're never told about this stuff unless it makes a difference in what we see in the episode; and with not show all departure times starting to become a habit, there's even more wiggle room as to what the viewer is told than formerly.
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Scroll down to the bolded text for the important bits!
I'm going to respectfully disagree with Apskip's choice of flights on the Episode Thread (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21707.msg514253.html#msg514253). I think he's switched up the arrival times of the three flights, and he can't find the 11.10am Austral Airlines flight out of Bariloche. Looking at a different date perhaps?
The first matter of business is to figure out which day the teams left Bariloche. We know the teams checked in the previous leg on the evening of the 2nd, and we have half the pack travelling through Sao Paulo, arriving at 3.40pm in Frankfurt.
The usual scheduled flight from Sao Paulo to Frankfurt leaves at 11.15pm and arrives at 2.00pm, but it is only on the flight departing on the 4th that the flight was delayed, arriving instead at 3.22pm on the 5th. We can therefore confirm that the Hamburg leg took place on the evening of the 5th, and that teams were released from the Bariloche Pit Stop on the evening of the 3rd, after a ~30h Pit Stop.
We had the Sao Paulo and direct flights, but missed out on the Paris flight as it was scheduled to leave earlier and arrive later than the Sao Paulo connection. Here are the flights that the teams took:
All teams, unless first flight is booked out
AR 2681 to Buenos Aires AEP: 1105-1305 (scheduled 1110-1313)
Transfer to Buenos Aires EZE
Jet/Cord, Michael/Louie
AF 417 to Paris: 1846-1127 (scheduled 1800-1100)
AF 1918 to Frankfurt: 1314-1424 (scheduled 1315-1435)
The show has them arriving at 1435.
Carol/Brandy, Daniel/Jordan
LH 511 to Frankfurt: 2213-1500 (scheduled 2150-1500)
The show has them arriving at 1500.
Jordan/Jeff, Brent/Caite, Steve/Allie, Joe/Heidi
JJ 8005, AR 1244, JJ 8011 or G3 7453 to Sao Paulo (3h40 flight)
JJ 8070 to Frankfurt 2315-1522 (scheduled arrival 1400)
The show has them arriving at 1540.
Had the final flight not been delayed, the main pack would have arrived in Frankfurt the earliest, followed 35min later by the Jet/Cord/Michael/Louie flight and an hour later by the Carol/Brandy/Daniel/Jordan flight. Lots of airport drama we missed out on.
The German train website no longer shows timetables for December 2009, having changed their schedule on 13 Dec, but they share the same booking system as the Austrian rail service, which still hosts the old timetables on their website! Here are the trains the teams took:
Jet/Cord, Michael/Louie
ICE 721 to Frankfurt (Main): 1537-1548
ICE 72 to Hamburg: 1558-1934
All other teams
ICE 574 to Hamburg: 1642-2035
The lead pair had a good one hour over the trailing teams arriving at Hamburg. Note that had the Sao Paulo flight not been delayed, they would have made it onto a direct train running 1442-1834, arriving a full hour ahead of Jet/Cord/Michael/Louie and two hours ahead of Carol/Brandy/Daniel/Jordan.
Timetable updated with the Reims leg. No major changes.
| Leg |
Phil |
Teams |
Comments |
| Valparaiso |
29 Nov |
29 Nov |
First leg |
| Puerto Varas |
30 Nov |
1 Dec |
- |
| Bariloche |
2 Dec |
2 Dec |
Short leg |
| Hamburg |
4 Dec |
5 Dec |
Long leg |
| Verdun |
6 Dec |
7 Dec |
Unconfirmed |
| Reims |
8 Dec |
8 Dec |
Short leg |
| Seychelles |
10 Dec |
11 Dec |
Long leg |
| Penang |
13 Dec |
14 Dec |
Long leg |
| Singapore |
15 Dec |
16 Dec |
- |
| Shanghai I |
17 Dec |
18 Dec |
- |
| Shanghai II |
19 Dec |
19 Dec |
Short leg |
| San Francisco |
20 Dec |
20 Dec |
Final leg |
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Awesome work Neobie!! Did you see wp's screencap of 12/04 for the EZE flight??
What do you mean by short leg please?? You have that next to Bariloche, but I thought that was an extended Pitstop....
And those dates are arrival dates into the designated cities?
Thanks so much...love this!!
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I assume "short leg" means a leg of short elapsed time between pit stop release and next pit stop check-in -- like the Dubai II leg last season.
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Haha, guess I need to do a little explanation of that table!
This table, which sets up the schedule for both the crew and the teams, allows us to predict the existence of extra legs (for example, the second leg in Shanghai this season), or the location of these legs (for example, that an extra leg in TAR 15 - Cai Be - was geographically close to Ho Chi Minh City).
The dates in the table represent the day on which most tasks take place. For Phil, this is the day he films his stand-ups. For the teams, this is the day they do the bulk of their racing. For example, if teams arrive in Puerto Varas on the night of the 29th but the majority of the challenges take place on the 30th, the table will indicate the 30th.
The schedule of the recent races (I started paying attention in TAR 14) follows a general pattern. Phil arrives one day before the teams, spends the next day checking in the teams, and sets up the next leg on the third day while teams are held back by extended Pit Stops, by transportation schedules or by hours of operation. An example in table form:
| Leg |
Phil |
Teams |
Comments |
| Leg 4 |
1 Jan |
2 Jan |
- |
| Leg 5 |
3 Jan |
4 Jan |
- |
| Leg 6 |
5 Jan |
6 Jan |
- |
There are several notable exceptions. The first type is what I call short legs. This is when Phil films his stand-ups on the same day the racers are doing the challenges.
TAR 14: Stechelberg to Salzburg, Phuket to Bangkok, Beijing to Beijing
TAR 15: Cai Be to Ho Chi Minh City, Dubai to Dubai, Prague to Prague
I don't dare to present a rationale, but these one thing these legs have in common is the short travel distance. And as TheSchnauzers says, they are often temporally short as well, since flights are often not involved. In TAR 16, this comes in the form of Puerto Varas to Bariloche, Hamburg to France or France to France, and Shanghai to Shanghai. In fact, the legs on which Phil films his stand-ups the same day as the teams are racing are always the shortest legs, distance-wise, in their respective seasons. Short legs, at least since TAR 14, have never been back to back. In table form:
| Leg |
Phil |
Teams |
Comments |
| Leg 7 |
7 Jan |
7 Jan |
Short leg |
| Leg 8 |
8 Jan |
9 Jan |
- |
The second group of exceptions, on contrast, involves long travel legs. Sometimes Phil spends so much time travelling to the next destination he doesn't have enough daylight to work with, and so the entire schedule is pushed back. These legs often involve long multi-leg flights.
TAR 14: Bran to Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk to Jaipur
TAR 15: None, since they stuck to major cities with good airport hubs
TAR 16: Bariloche to Hamburg, France to Seychelles, Seychelles to Penang
| Leg |
Phil |
Teams |
Comments |
| Leg 9 |
10 Jan |
11 Jan |
- |
| Leg 10 |
13 Jan |
14 Jan |
Long leg |
Here, Phil flies to his destination on the 12th, while teams travel on the 13th.
The third type of exception involves the premiere and finale legs. Premieres, if flight schedules allow, often involve an overnight rest on the first day, giving Phil some wiggle room to film his stand-ups. For example, the TAR 14 premiere had teams travel to Locarno for an overnight while Phil heads directly to Interlaken for his narration, and the TAR 15 premiere had teams stay over in the magical Green Room, giving Phil some time for filming in Tokyo. This doesn't always apply, especially if the first leg takes place in South America. TAR 9 and TAR 16, in particular, had flight schedules with morning arrivals, meaning Phil has had to hustle to get his filming done. Finales are often single-day affairs. I suppose Phil has all the times to film his stand-ups after wrapping up the race formalities.
| Leg |
Phil |
Teams |
Comments |
| Leg 11 |
15 Jan |
16 Jan |
- |
| Leg 12 |
17 Jan |
17 Jan |
Final leg |
After all that... Piecing together the dates Phil and teams are sighted along the racecourse allows us to fill in the table, allowing us to figure out where the gaps are and how long production has available for legs. Confusing, but it's worked pretty well so far!
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This recent filming pattern seems to be something they've worked out over the years by trial and error, because TPTB have been able to compress filming down to 21-22 days, even for 12 legs; when in earlier seasons that would often involve an additional week to get 12 legs in the can. But that gap for the Bariloche-Hamburg leg is quite unusual, even for early season because of the limited flight options. (Go back and look at TAR 5 Baruloche departure episode; teams had to get to Buenos Aires that season as well, and it took a series of buses plus flights to get all the teams out of the country.
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cant china be tbc
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Remember, Phil only does stand-ups for general tasks and special route markers. He is never seen at a Route Info.
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Some info from Joe and Heidi's exit interviews:
That leg where we were in France, we had no sleep in twenty-four hours. Actually, that baguette in France was the first thing that we had to eat and I actually didn't drink anything for twelve hours. So you're sleep deprived, you're hungry, you're water deprived, and you're just exhausted.
THE DEADBOLT: Was there anything from your time on the race you wish was aired, something that we didn't see?
JOE: The Hamburg leg was a crucial leg where the cops [Louie and Michael] were actually at the end of the pack and their flight, low and behold, got them there earlier even though we were supposed to arrive an hour ahead. That was a turning point. Those are the chances that happen on the race.
http://www.thedeadbolt.com/news/107250/joe_heidi_amazing_race_16_interview.php
so when we were in the long mandatory rest period after the Argentinean leg at that sheep ranch, we all spent a good 30 hours together And that was the only time we were not in a sequester mode where we could actually have meals together and have some conversations with the other teams. And yeah, we were all in very good spirits and we were trying to make the best of the situation, camping in Argentina and not having showers and things like that. It was a good time.
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-joe-wang-and-heidi-wang-talk-about-the-amazing-race-10595.php
Reality TV World: So what happened during that ticket line incident, where you were holding spots in line?
Joe Wang: Oh yeah, no, no. That was not "holding a spot," if you want to call it that. We were at the bus station and Brandy and Carol went with us. And then they ended up going to another station to make sure we had the best bus route. So for us we had to stick together as a team, and so I was in the front of the line and then Brandy and Carol ended up coming back and said "This is the best bus route."
So because they were researching information for us, and we'd agreed prior to getting into line, that's what ended up happening. So the cops were not understanding the situation. We weren't holding any spots, they were already in line with us but they had to go and research for us too.
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Joe Wang: We were trying our very best. I mean we were there for close to six hours and then it got dark and the weather changed dramatically, it started to rain. So I was giving Heidi a lot of shelter, her whole body was shivering. And if you remember, when we left we didn't have anything to eat or drink since 8:30AM. That was close to almost 12 hours.
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-joe-wang-and-heidi-wang-talk-about-the-amazing-race-10595.php
Specially like getting the confirmation that ESM is no more.... I mean I hate that for the racers, hate that production has decided that keeping them apart breeds more drama, but still glad to see that teams still find ways to bond at airports and all.
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The Ep 5 Special Thanks:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/ep%205%20France/TAR16ep5SpecialThanks.jpg)
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Some info from Joe and Heidi's exit interviews:
That leg where we were in France, we had no sleep in twenty-four hours. Actually, that baguette in France was the first thing that we had to eat and I actually didn't drink anything for twelve hours. So you're sleep deprived, you're hungry, you're water deprived, and you're just exhausted.
THE DEADBOLT: Was there anything from your time on the race you wish was aired, something that we didn't see?
JOE: The Hamburg leg was a crucial leg where the cops [Louie and Michael] were actually at the end of the pack and their flight, low and behold, got them there earlier even though we were supposed to arrive an hour ahead. That was a turning point. Those are the chances that happen on the race.
http://www.thedeadbolt.com/news/107250/joe_heidi_amazing_race_16_interview.php
so when we were in the long mandatory rest period after the Argentinean leg at that sheep ranch, we all spent a good 30 hours together And that was the only time we were not in a sequester mode where we could actually have meals together and have some conversations with the other teams. And yeah, we were all in very good spirits and we were trying to make the best of the situation, camping in Argentina and not having showers and things like that. It was a good time.
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-joe-wang-and-heidi-wang-talk-about-the-amazing-race-10595.php
Reality TV World: So what happened during that ticket line incident, where you were holding spots in line?
Joe Wang: Oh yeah, no, no. That was not "holding a spot," if you want to call it that. We were at the bus station and Brandy and Carol went with us. And then they ended up going to another station to make sure we had the best bus route. So for us we had to stick together as a team, and so I was in the front of the line and then Brandy and Carol ended up coming back and said "This is the best bus route."
So because they were researching information for us, and we'd agreed prior to getting into line, that's what ended up happening. So the cops were not understanding the situation. We weren't holding any spots, they were already in line with us but they had to go and research for us too.
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Joe Wang: We were trying our very best. I mean we were there for close to six hours and then it got dark and the weather changed dramatically, it started to rain. So I was giving Heidi a lot of shelter, her whole body was shivering. And if you remember, when we left we didn't have anything to eat or drink since 8:30AM. That was close to almost 12 hours.
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-joe-wang-and-heidi-wang-talk-about-the-amazing-race-10595.php
Specially like getting the confirmation that ESM is no more.... I mean I hate that for the racers, hate that production has decided that keeping them apart breeds more drama, but still glad to see that teams still find ways to bond at airports and all.
Yeah but... with all due respect, of course he's not going to say he was cocky.
Of course his side of the story will have himself as the good guy/victim... I would like to hear the Cops' side of it.
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This thread is for info related to our Timelines.... :waves:
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Leg 5 Departures
| Louie & Michael | 9:35 am |
| Steve & Allie | 9:55 am |
| Joe & Heidi | 10:11 am |
| Jet & Cord | 10:36 am |
| Carol & Brandy | 10:44 am |
| Dan & Jordan | 10:57 am |
| Brent & Caite | 11:36 am |
| Jeff & Jordan | 12:17 pm |
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Peach
Specially like getting the confirmation that ESM is no more.... I mean I hate that for the racers, hate that production has decided that keeping them apart breeds more drama, but still glad to see that teams still find ways to bond at airports and all.
I don't think (unless we have other sources, that Joe's comments mean that teams can't ESM, but that on the average Pit Stop (12 hours sometimes less) they choose not to. Teams often (unless they literally arrive at the same time) don't eat, sleep and mingle at the same time during Pit Stops. Often arrival times make that impossible or at the worst unwise. Many times its the extended Pit Stops where teams get the time to ESM together, the other major friendship building time is on long forms of transport. Now it seems to keep costs down we see less of these, but I don't think they have been gotten rid of for drama, but to save production time, which is of course money.
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If I were on the Amazing Race (be assured that nobody will be subjected to that), I will take as much of the precious pit stop time for sleeping. Carousing has its merits, but replenishing your body under Amazing Race task/transportation conditions is paramount. I would eat and you have to spend time with the WRP staff, but after that I would get the maximum sleep I possibly could.
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Peach
Specially like getting the confirmation that ESM is no more.... I mean I hate that for the racers, hate that production has decided that keeping them apart breeds more drama, but still glad to see that teams still find ways to bond at airports and all.
I don't think (unless we have other sources, that Joe's comments mean that teams can't ESM, but that on the average Pit Stop (12 hours sometimes less) they choose not to. Teams often (unless they literally arrive at the same time) don't eat, sleep and mingle at the same time during Pit Stops. Often arrival times make that impossible or at the worst unwise. Many times its the extended Pit Stops where teams get the time to ESM together, the other major friendship building time is on long forms of transport. Now it seems to keep costs down we see less of these, but I don't think they have been gotten rid of for drama, but to save production time, which is of course money.
No more ESM... :angel
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This thread is for info related to our Timelines.... :waves:
Soooorry peach... I got carried away in the moment. :colors
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Leg 6 Departures*
| Louie & Michael | 7:47 am |
| Steve & Allie | 8:04 am |
| Jet & Cord | 8:13 am |
| Dan & Jordan | 8:17 am |
| Carol & Brandy | 8:39 am |
| Brent & Caite | 9:48 am |
| Jeff & Jordan | 10:28 am |
*Note*: These departures were not twelve hours after arrival at leg 5's pit stop.
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Leg 7 Departures
Louie & Michael 12.35 am
Carol & Brandy 1,28 am
Steve & Allie 1.57 am
Jet & Cord 2.36 am
Dan & Jordan 3.36 am
Brent & Caite 4.36 am
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Ep 7 special thabks:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/ep%207%20Seychelles/TAR16ep7specialthanks.jpg)
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I am not sure, but I thought I heard a word pronounced phonetically like Prawlay was mentioned by a local. It was for finding the boat between La Digue and another island. There is an island named Praslin right next to la Digue, so probably that is the one.
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Yes, apskip, the pit stop was on Praslin. Steve & Allie left their bags on La Digue, so if they were to go back they should have done it right away, before (or soon after) embarking for the Roadblock.
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Gotta love Jet's watch. Ep 7 check in time: ~2:27??
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We have teams flying into Hamburg and racing on the evening of 5 Dec, followed by a mobile Pit Stop without any extra rest (I think Louie/Michael talk about not having enough sleep in the Insiders). That means the Verdun leg took place on 6 Dec.
We then have teams talking about the U-Turn that happened "yesterday" on the Reims leg, meaning that it was another short leg, taking place on 7 Dec. Teams check in on the evening of that day. I'm not getting good enough weather information to confirm this, though.
Phil's flight out of the Seychelles into Malaysia suggests that this leg took place on the 11th, and just as well, there is a direct flight (which Brent/Caite's booking system shows) on the evening of the 10th, but not on the 9th. I would think that Phil took the direct flight out on the evening of the 8th. Does this mean that teams had a 60h Pit Stop in Epernay?
I can't find anything on the security alerts at Charles de Gaulle Michael/Louie mention in the Insiders...
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We have to remember we see them leaving at night, driving thru dawn to CDG. I expect that they were given a LONG wait at the airport to allow for any of these not-so-good-at directions teams to arrive WELL in advance of the only flight, to ensure they all make it on.
My guess would be more like a 48ish hour stop.
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Phil did say that they left on the opposite hour of day, though. 48h would give mean the lead teams leave in daylight. They did have plenty of time, the flight to the Seychelles doesn't leave until 7pm.
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I thought you said they checked into Epernay on the eve of the 7th??
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Neobie,
I quote from the Bible according to woden (also a darn good source) on page 1 of this thread:
Ep. 6 Champagne Region
Film Dates: DEC 9-10
EP07: Champagne-Ardennes, France to Seychelles
Film Dates: DEC 11
These are VASTLY different from your estimates, but I think things have changed since they were last updated. I offer my personal guesstimates on timing of legs based on my belief that there were extended pit stops in South America, Europe and in the Seychelles, with the exact location of those not relevant to this purpose. Also, all legs are same day affairs except for leg 2. Here are my guesstimates arranged as a block by continent:
South America 4 legs + 1 overnight + 1 extended pit stop (add one day on average for these) - arrive Nov. 29, leave Dec. 5
overnight flight to Europe - leave Dec. 5, arrive Dec. 6
Europe 3 legs + 1 extended pit stop - arrive Dec. 6 leave Dec. 10
overnight flight to Seychelles leave Dec. 10 arrive Dec. 11
Seychelles 1 leg, extended pit stop probably 36 hours (but we will see when the release times are posted next Sunday) - arrive Dec. 11, Phil departs Dec. 12, teams depart Dec. 13
overnight flight to Penang leave Dec. 13 arrive Dec. 14
Asia - we know that it has to be 4 legs, Penang, Singapore, Beijing, Beijing - arrive Dec. 14, depart Dec. 20
So, above is the timing of AR16 according to apskip. Poke holes in it and use it as you see fit.
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The summary is woden's baby this time, and a darned good job too!
We have these firm sightings to use...
EP08: Praslin, Seychelles to Penang, Malaysia
EVIDENCE: Phil spotted in Dubai en route to Malaysia (12/12 EK342 arriving 10:30am); team spotted en route from Kuala Lumpur to Penang (12/14)
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Can you guys pick up any clues on whether the Hamburg/Les Monthairons Pit Stop lasted ~12h or ~36h? It could help us solve the Reims Pit Stop question...
Steve/Allie's train into Hamburg arrived at 8.35pm. Assuming that the fastest time to complete this leg is no shorter than an hour and a half, they would have checked in at no earlier than 10.05pm. Jeff/Jordan check out of Les Monthairons 2h 22min after Steve/Allie, meaning that they checked in at or after 12.27am on the morning of the 6th.
They've had some time to freshen up and change a shirt - Jeff changes his T-shirt before they board the bus at the hotel. With the post-leg transport and logistics that need to be done, which would take at least half an hour, I suppose the earliest they can leave Hamburg is at 12.57am.
Les Monthairons is 773km (480mi) away from Hamburg, a journey taking 7h 16min by car according to Google. That puts them into the Pit Start after 8.13am, possibly an hour or two later depending on the speed of a bus relative to that of a car. Louie/Michael leave the Pit Stop at 9.35am, after giving probably a short confessional about where they think they are. Are we cutting it a bit too close for it all to happen within the same evening?
Tangentially related: I agree with Woden that the Seychelles leg took place on the 11th. The difference is when the previous leg took place, which depends on how long the Pit Stops were.
Unrelated: We know that the Reims leg took place the day after the Verdun leg; Carol and Brandy mention "yesterday" in their Mat Chat. Given that Jordan/Jeff arrive just before sunset at 4.46pm (it turns dark before Phil eliminates Joe/Heidi), and they leave for the next leg at 10.28am, I'd say a ~18h Pit Stop in Wargemoulin?
I thought you said they checked into Epernay on the eve(ning) of the 7th??
Yes, assuming the Hamburg Pit Stop was ~12h. Teams released from Epernay on the morning of the 10th would give us a 60h Pit Stop. If Hamburg lasted ~36h then the Epernay Pit Stop would accordingly be 36h. It is impossible for a ~48h Pit Stop as the early teams checked in under daylight at Epernay and left in the middle of the night.
10 Dec, morning: Teams released from Epernay
10 Dec, evening: Flight from Paris to Mahe
11 Dec: Race in Seychelles
EP08: Praslin, Seychelles to Penang, Malaysia
EVIDENCE: Phil spotted in Dubai en route to Malaysia (12/12 EK342 arriving 10:30am); team spotted en route from Kuala Lumpur to Penang (12/14)
Yes, we have been using these flights for our calculations (although EK 342 departs, not arrives, at 10.30am). It is reasonably certain Phil was on these flights on 12 Dec:
EK 708 from Mahe to Dubai, 0145-0615
EK 342 from Dubai to Kuala Lumpur, 1030-2125
Which is what we used, before the season started, to ascertain that the Seychelles leg took place on 11 Dec.
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Neobie:
My flight times are:
LA6469 1810 2050 EZE GRU
LH9829 2245 1440 GRU FRA This was reported to leave at 2315 and arrive at 1422 on Dec. 6.
Best train departure from Frankfurt airport to Hamburg was 1537 arrive 2006. They could not catch either the 1447 departure I can believe that the 1537 departure actually arrived about a half hour late.
The second one was:
LH511 2150 1500 EZE FRA (with an actual reported departure of 2208 and arrival of 1445 on Dec. 6. This group should be able to get the 1537 train detailed above.
The third is problematical, as there is nothing that fits perfectly. The closest is
AF417 1800 1100 EZE CDG (reported actual departure 1756 and arrival 1101)
LH4219 1315 1435 CDG FRA (with an actual reported departure 1317 and arrival of 1442) This group should also be able to get the 1537 train detailed above.
Now the question is whether teams were able to sort out GermanRail train schedules and look for the first-arriving trains. I saw differences of up to 2 hours on Sunday Dec. 6 actual train durations. If teams went for the first-departing train they could have been screwed.
I think your distance from Hamburg to the Verdun area is off by a lot. My info does not show Verdun specifically, but the closest major city is Luxembourg at 513 km 319 miles 277 minutes(verified on two separate but probably affiliated calculators). Add in about 72 km 45 miles 60 minutes for Luxembourg to the Verdun area. the total is 364 miles and 337 minutes. That puts teams into the Les Monthairons at about 7:34am, considerably earlier than your estimate.
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Hi Apskip, good to see you back in the Timeline Thread! We have the flights figured out on Page 9 while you were away, and all the information we have fit together very well.
I think your distance from Hamburg to the Verdun area is off by a lot.
I think you're using straight-line great circle distances on flight calculators! I was using road distances on Google Maps. Taking the A7 via Frankfurt would measure 808km, while the A1 via Bonn adds up to 773km.
The only question that I'd like to figure out for now is: was there a space of ~22h before the roving Pit Stop from Hamburg to Les Monthairons? I'm inclined to think so based on the timetable, but we need concrete evidence...
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The only question that I'd like to figure out for now is: was there a space of ~22h before the roving Pit Stop from Hamburg to Les Monthairons? I'm inclined to think so based on the timetable, but we need concrete evidence...
Given how Joe magically had ice for his knee on the bus, could it be possible they had an extended pit stop to allow a doctor to look at his knee to see if he was clear to continue (a la Andy/Laura)?
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I don't believe a pitstop time would be adjusted for that....
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Regarding some of the questions about time, I noticed that CBS is posting press photos each week after the episode airs. I don't have access to them, but if someone does, perhaps they could check to see if Exif data is still attached. It would help in nailing down on which day certain events occurred.
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Regarding some of the questions about time, I noticed that CBS is posting press photos each week after the episode airs. I don't have access to them, but if someone does, perhaps they could check to see if Exif data is still attached. It would help in nailing down on which day certain events occurred.
The photos CBS posts after the race are screen grabs - no exif info on them.
Makes me wonder if they had a set photographer with them once they left Valparaiso.
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Regarding some of the questions about time, I noticed that CBS is posting press photos each week after the episode airs. I don't have access to them, but if someone does, perhaps they could check to see if Exif data is still attached. It would help in nailing down on which day certain events occurred.
The photos CBS posts after the race are screen grabs - no exif info on them.
Makes me wonder if they had a set photographer with them once they left Valparaiso.
I don't think they did because I looked at Getty Images and the last photo taken was December 2, 2009. The screencaps started in Germany. Here is the link I found:
http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&p=The%20Amazing%20Race%2016#
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The photos CBS posts after the race are screen grabs - no exif info on them.
Makes me wonder if they had a set photographer with them once they left Valparaiso.
Just to clarify, Monty Brinton was credited on photos through the end of leg 3 in Bariloche. Since then they have been releasing screen grabs.
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From the vidcaps we can confirm that:
Steve/Allie, Dan/Jordan, Michael/Louie and Carol/Brandy are on the same flight, and that
Brent/Caite and Jet/Cord are on the same flight.
I can't determine conclusively whether they arrived on two separate flights or the same flight.
Dan/Jordan were seen on MH 1138 from Kuala Lumpur to Penang (0915-1015).
There is an earlier flight that morning between the two cities, MH 1134 (0730-0830). This suggests that the brothers did not arrive the previous evening to make it onto the early morning flight. Since departures from the Seychelles are few and far between, the best flight combination I could find is:
EK 706 to Dubai (13 0815-1245)
MH 157 to Kuala Lumpur (13 1855-0605)
MH 1138 to Penang (14 0915-1015)
This also means that the brothers were likely to have been released too late for the 1.45am flight out of Mahe (which allows them to take the early Kuala Lumpur-Penang flight), but in time for the 8.15am flight from Mahe to Dubai. There are no other flights leaving after this Dubai connection which will arrive in Penang before nightfall, although there are a couple of 'inefficient' routes that leave earlier and arrive later.
(Apskip has a flight that goes from Mahe to Doha to Dubai, then the same flight to Kuala Lumpur. Here we suggest a direct flight from Mahe to Dubai that leaves 45min later.)
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Leg 8 departures
Steve & Allie - 7.22pm
Dan & Jordan - 7.36pm
Brent & Caite - 9.15pm
Louie & Michael - 9.16pm
Carol & Brandy - 10.19pm
Jet & Cord - 10.22pm
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The times would appear to make Seychelles a 32 hour pitstop.
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Phil's voice over confirms all teams on the same flights from the Seychelles to Penang via Dubai; no mention of any other connections, just that it was a 21-hour flight. Oh, and that the first flight departed at about 2 am, more or less.
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The ferry from Prawlin to Mahe left at 2 am......not a flight.
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If the teams in Puerto Vallarta stayed up until 2am, and we assume that TPTB doesn't want to keep them up as much as possible, does that mean Steve and Allie were eliminated in Penang, 14h ahead, at around 4pm?
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i suspect that the teams get interviewed first, then steve and allie called to mexico
If the teams in Puerto Vallarta stayed up until 2am, and we assume that TPTB doesn't want to keep them up as much as possible, does that mean Steve and Allie were eliminated in Penang, 14h ahead, at around 4pm?
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Puerto Vallarta Mexico is in the Central Time Zone Daylight Savings now, but Standard time in December, UTC/GMT - 6 in Dec. 2009 Penang was UTC/GMT +8 hours year-round for 2009 and 2010.
This shows why Neobie's calculation of a 14 hours time zone differential is correct for Dec. 2009.
So 4pm Penang time was = 2am same day Puerto Vallarta time.
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Very interesting... Did TPTB gamble on all (surviving) teams checking into the Penang Pit Stop within three hours of each other, or is there going to be some equalizing factor at the beginning of the next leg? Given that teams arrive in the morning (shadows upon arrival point northwest), here's the train I believe the teams took:
Butterworth to Kuala Lumpur (1000-1730, I think this train no longer runs on weekdays)
Kuala Lumpur to Singapore (2135-0810)
There's a direct, leaving three hours earlier, that gets into Singapore at 2130 the same evening. An hours-of-operation can fix things up here for a team that gets ahead, but a team that misses the 10.00am train will not be able to get into Singapore until 4.05pm the next day, 8h behind everyone else.
Is TPTB going to herd everyone onto the 10.00am without allowing anyone on the 7.00am train, and if so, how? The first ferry from Penang to Butterworth leaves at 5.30am, so that's not going to cause teams to miss the earlier train...
Edited to add: Please note that 8.10am is not indicative of when teams actually arrive in Singapore. Malaysian trains are frequently always late, and it's not unusual for them to be running up to three hours behind.
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Neobie,
Last time I looked at the map there was the 13.5 km Penang Bridge running from Penang island to the mainland. Why is the question of the first ferry even an issue? There is public transportation by bus available: "Butterworth railway station is conveniently located next to the bus and ferry terminal, south of the town centre." and "the much-loved Penang ferry departs regularly from the Butterworth Ferry Terminal for George Town. The ferry terminal is conveniently connected with the railway station and bus terminal via covered walkways." I am certain that a taxi can be taken from any place on Penang Island to the Butterworth railway station.
Although it was not ready for the visit of AR16, for future visits to Penang "Penang Sentral" is a future inter-modal transportation hub and a commercial development currently under construction in Penang. Construction of the transportation hub will start in Q1 2009 and expected to complete by 2011.
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Good point, Apskip. I was just mentioning that TPTB cannot hope to use the ferry as a bunching mechanism, as teams can still be split onto the 7.00am and 10.00am trains (and arrive 11h apart) nevertheless.
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We don't really know exactly when teams were released from the Singapore pit stop or whether it was a 12 hours pit stop. My thinking is that their release from the Singapore pit stop could have been as early as the evening of Dec. 16 after a less than 12 hour pitstop to sometime Dec. 17 (to be determined by what I show below). The screencap posted earlier today by puddin on the ep. 10 thread clearly showed arrival at Shanghai's Pudong Airport (code PVG) at gate 10. That is in Terminal 1 and the only flights into PVG either nonstop from Shanghai or from Hong Kong (where teams could have connected from Singapore) are by China Eastern Airlines. They were:
Dec. 17 SIN PVG -
MU544 actual dep. SIN 0111 (8 minutes late), arrival unknown (but probably around 0602)
MU564 actual dep. SIN unknown (scheduled 1010), arrival PVG unknown (scheduled 1510)
Dec. 17 HKG PVG arriving Terminal 1 and showing only the China Eastern flight number although most had codeshares -
MU726 actual dep. HKG 0827 arrival PVG unknown (scheduled 1040)
MU502 actual dep. HKG 1225 (55 minutes late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 1440)
MU702 actual dep. HKG 1425 (1hour 45 min. late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 1640)
MU608 actual dep. HKG 1601 (26 minutes late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 1811)
MU508 actual dep. HKG 1825 (50 minutes late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 2100)
MU212 actual dep. HKG 2114 (1 hour 29 min. late) arrival PVG unknown but probably around 0034+1)
Dec. 16 SIN HKG - not feasible unless pit stop less than 8 hours and only maybe for Dan/Jordan, so ignore it
Dec. 17 SIN HKG - range of departures from 0653 to 1858, with arrivals from 1030 to 2240. Last one won't connect for Dec. 17 departure from HKG to PVG.
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We don't really know exactly when teams were released from the Singapore pit stop or whether it was a 12 hours pit stop. My thinking is that their release from the Singapore pit stop could have been as early as the evening of Dec. 16 after a less than 12 hour pitstop to sometime Dec. 17 (to be determined by what I show below). The screencap posted earlier today by puddin on the ep. 10 thread clearly showed arrival at Shanghai's Pudong Airport (code PVG) at gate 10. That is in Terminal 1 and the only flights into PVG either nonstop from Shanghai or from Hong Kong (where teams could have connected from Singapore) are by China Eastern Airlines. They were:
Dec. 17 SIN PVG -
MU544 actual dep. SIN 0111 (8 minutes late), arrival unknown (but probably around 0602)
MU564 actual dep. SIN unknown (scheduled 1010), arrival PVG unknown (scheduled 1510)
Dec. 17 HKG PVG arriving Terminal 1 and showing only the China Eastern flight number although most had codeshares -
MU726 actual dep. HKG 0827 arrival PVG unknown (scheduled 1040)
MU502 actual dep. HKG 1225 (55 minutes late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 1440)
MU702 actual dep. HKG 1425 (1hour 45 min. late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 1640)
MU608 actual dep. HKG 1601 (26 minutes late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 1811)
MU508 actual dep. HKG 1825 (50 minutes late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 2100)
MU212 actual dep. HKG 2114 (1 hour 29 min. late) arrival PVG unknown but probably around 0034+1)
Dec. 16 SIN HKG - not feasible unless pit stop less than 8 hours and only maybe for Dan/Jordan, so ignore it
Dec. 17 SIN HKG - range of departures from 0653 to 1858, with arrivals from 1030 to 2240. Last one won't connect for Dec. 17 departure from HKG to PVG.
If we assume that what Claire said is correct then teams arrive around 6am on December 18, which basically leaves us with MU544.
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We know the first day races on Dec 18 from Claire., I have an arrival time of 0630 if that helps, that could have been the anticipated time the racers exit the airport.
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Reviewed Claire's actual post which says:
all the 4 teams were in the same flight and they arrived Shanghai on 18 Dec., bt i cannot remember the flight no.. all i can remember is they flew from singapore and arrived here at 5:50am, bt it delayed a little bit.
More MU544 info:
Airport: (SIN) Changi Airport
Singapore, SG
Scheduled: 12:55 AM - Fri Dec 18, 2009
Actual: 1:11 AM - Fri Dec 18, 2009
Departed gate 16 min later than scheduled
Gate: A11 (Terminal 3)
Arrival Information:
Airport: (PVG) Pu Dong Airport
Shanghai, CN
Scheduled: 6:10 AM - Fri Dec 18, 2009
Terminal: 1
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Oddly enough, I don't see a special thanks for the Penang episode??
But here is Episode 9:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/Singapore/TAR16specialthanksep9.jpg)