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Title: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 17, 2009, 10:46:56 PM
11/01 Amazing Race 15 - This is Not My Finest Hour (The Netherlands)
Zoutkamp, The Netherlands 7/30
Dutch Samadhi (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18840.msg435072.html#msg435072) Hello, I'm an inhabitant of the beautiful province of Groningen, Zoutkamp, the Netherlands. We've had a tv shootings of some kind in the harbour or dock (I don't know what the name is in English). The provincial tv-station aired a short item on the tv-shootings. Initially a local told it was shootings for the american version of the mole, but since the item on the local tv-station showed two names, namely Ericka & Brian I searched the internet and found two contestants for The Amazing Grace 15 named like that. A former Miss Amerca and her husband. I didn't recognize anyone, but there were teams of two people. They had to bycicle from a town called vierhuizen (you can use Googlemaps) to our town Zoutkamp. They wore traditional clothes from Volendam and bycicled to the harbour where they talked to someone on a boat and after that they went on to dance traditionally or they had to do farmers golf a traditional Groninger sport. I'm saying this to make sure that people will know it was not Volendam that was portraited, but our beautiful small vilage groningen. Please make sure people will know this in America.
Boingo brings us video evidence! (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18840.msg435300.html#msg435300)
VIERHUIZEN - Het kerkje van Vierhuizen is dankzij tv-opnames beroemd geworden. De molen in het dorp lijkt hetzelfde lot te ondergaan. Een Amerikaanse filmploeg heeft er donderdag opnames gemaakt voor een grote spelshow.
De spelshow is vergelijkbaar met het Nederlandse programma 'Peking Express'. Een cameraploeg volgt teams en filmt hun activiteiten.
Volgens de vrijwillige molenaars van Vierhuizen ging alles op een typisch Amerikaanse manier: met veel poeha, dure auto's en er werd zelfs gefilmd vanuit een helikopter.
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FOUR HOUSES - the kerkje van Vierhuizen thanks to tv-opnames have been boasted. The mill in the village seems the same destiny undergo. An American film plough has made Thursday prerecordings for a large game show. The game show is similar with the Dutch programme ' Beijing Express'. A camera plough follows teams and films their activities. According to the voluntary millers of four houses went everything in a typical American manner: with much poeha, expensive auto' s and it was even filmed there from a helicopter.
Confirms activities happened on Thursday July 30th
:jam: Just because I can... :lol: ..oh look, the actual windmill... (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18840.0;attach=124053;image) (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18840.0;attach=124054;image)
Apparently, riding the bike isn't the only thing they have to do with the shoes: Boerengolf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmers_golf) (Farmer's golf) (video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFeaRsoMfcc), complete with bovine gallery :cow). The database (http://www.molendatabase.nl/nederland/molen_e.php?nummer=374) lists only one windmill for vierhuizen, so that's got to be it.
Video translation by the times marked: :ty3: to Dutch!!
1-20 Guy laughs (voice over) The three voluntary windmillers can 20-25 laugh about it: An American tv-crew that came to Vierhuizen. 25-30 Now and then they get a glimpse of them. 30-35 (guy in dialect) Just like the tour the France with a camera on the motor. 35-40 (again dialect)Yes, well, Shall we have coffee. 4 0-45 (inside the mill) well it is a program that eeh 45-51 must film the activities of the participants 51-56 and of those shootings they make a program 56-1:00 (interviewer) What's your opinion about it all (guy) I find it a bit 1:00-1:05 typically American (other guy) with a lot of, of 1:05-1:10 with a lot of (nonsense word) kokeloko (other guy) with a lot of bombarie (probably: Bolster) (guy interviewed repeats) 1:10-1:15 everything is taken care of precisely (overvoice) But what exactly is going on 1:15-1:20 nobody is talking about, but the windmillers don't care a lot about that 1:20-1:26 Their job is clear: to keep the windmill running and that they do with a lot of concentration 1:26-1:31 (guy at the windmill) We can see a (bui) bad weather coming, but I think, Arie, we will just miss it 1:31-1:35 (outside on the windmill) He could go a little further because the wind is better there (they use the phrase “ten opzichte” which is more like according) 1:35-1:41 (voice over) after asking questions without camera's we found out that it is a Peking Express like program 1:41-1:46 Six teams have to fulfill tasks as soon as possible 1:46-1:52 That they don't put their hands on their wallets shows when we see a helicopter flying over to take shots 1:52-1:56 (guy on the windmill) Isn't it horrible to have a helicopter here 1:56-2:02 All that for just a few minutes in a game show 2:03-2:13 Aah, but we like to do it, just another fling (verzetje)
peach and I have notes from Dutch Samadhi (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18840.msg435072.html#msg435072) all over the place, we're going to try to pull them together .. Originally we had no clear photos of Meghan and Cheyne so Dutch could have mistaken them for Mika and Canaan who we thought were the so called Brooks at the time and did have a clear photo (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2015/untitled.jpg) of them thanks to Chateau.
here are some tidbits ..
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I saw team red (Probably), The globetrotters, and the brooks couple. I've heard that there was a male gay couple. So I can safely say that there were at least four couples, but I've had a few sources saying that they knew that there were six couples.
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Yes, I saw a blond girl and a husband, I saw two guys, They were the first to come. ( I assume Dan & Sam ) Then came the blond girl with a guy and after that came the basketballers. The girl I saw was not as short and she looked as if she could be dutch. She was also attractive. I've heard that there was a gay couple (two guys) I have sources that tell me as well that there were six teams. So that must be true. I've heard sources say that they heard (near the place where it happened) that the contestants came from the airport straight from Dubai
And of course thanks to the video that Boingo found (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18840.msg435300.html#msg435300), we know Tiffany&Maria, Matt&Gary, and Brian&Ericka are there as well.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 17, 2009, 10:47:30 PM
saved, lots of stuff to bring over from the spoiler thread
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 17, 2009, 11:22:49 PM
DUTCH SAMEDHI SPOILERS:
Okay, Dutch was a HUGE help and more than accomodating in answering a LOT of questions, lol.
This is all from a series of emails we exchanged, some is duplicated elsewhere in the threads... (Some personal identifying info has been omitted.)
A little piecemeal but here we go:
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I've heard sources say that they heard (near the place where it happened) that the contestants came from the airport straight from Dubai.
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There is a dancing group in Zoutkamp. This group dances Volksdansen (Dances for the people (bad translation)). They were told very little, but they knew they had to dance on July the 30th. On Tuesday they heard that there would be camera's on Thursday July the 30th.
On July the 29 I walked through our harbor with my dog and saw people drinking coffee who normally wouldn't be there. Since I heard about the camera's I've deducted that they could be the cameramen I've heard people talk about. There were a lot of busses that were rented in Amsterdam, because they had 020- telephone numbers (this makes the schiphol route plausible). This triggered my interest, so I decided to return to the harbor the next morning. When I left my house there was a helicopter flying above the village. .......
I decided to see what would happen and made me a pot of coffee and chose a nice spot to sit and watch what would happen. There was a camera on a pole which filmed everything that happened.
Then I've heard other people say things about the spectacle and I've deducted that they probably took this route on bicycle (the road that seems to go straight to Zoutkamp is a dyke):
The last picture can be a bit off, because I have only heard about this and have no firm source, but the dance plateau could be seen from the other side of the river (bagger(ed) (dutch:baggeren ) so much it looks like a canal) and I've heard about the farmersgolf from people inside the campsite, but nobody actually saw it.
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They were wearing traditional clothing from Volendam. ... Finally somebody came to film our beautiful village and then people would probably be told that it was Volendam. ... We could easily go through for Volendam, because we are a fisherman's village and there are fishing boats around and because on the other side of the village there is a piece of the sea we partially poldered and which turned from salt water into sweet.
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Yes, I saw a blond girl and a husband, I saw two guys, They were the first to come. Then came the blond girl with a guy and after that came the basketballers. I've heard that there was a gay couple (two guys)
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I saw a male couple, the Brooks couple (peach--this is probably not accurate...this is who we were calling Mika and Canaan at the time , and had no photos of Meghan) , the basketballers and heard people say there was a male gay couple. I've heard there were six couples left. The following is not sure, but I think I can remember somebody told me there was a Asian female.
Comparing heights between racers later identified as Mika and Meghan:
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The girl I saw was not as short and she looked as if she could be dutch. She was also attractive.
Oh, feet don't say a thing to me. We use the metric system. But if 5 feet is short then it was not her. She was taller, attractive, I think blue eyed and attractively thin.
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There is a provincial television station that tries to follow everything that happens in Groningen. This station is called Radio Television Noord (North). They were probably tipped about the happening and decided not to invest a lot of time in it, because of the harsh rules. We were in the harbour and we were not allowed to take pictures, so they would have been told this as well.
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I must say that I've said about all that can be said and that people are not talking about it anymore. There were not a lot of people who saw what happened. There were also a lot that didn't know about it. so I've heard about it through 7 people of whom none had exact info. And the people of the local dance group don't want to talk. Could be that they had to sign some sort of contract as well. I was told that the local campsite holder in Vierhuizen was forbidden to say anything about it otherwise he would have to pay 20.000.000,00.
Video translation:
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1-20 Guy laughs (voice over) The three voluntary windmillers can 20-25 laugh about it: An American tv-crew that came to Vierhuizen. 25-30 Now and then they get a glimpse of them. 30-35 (guy in dialect) Just like the tour the France with a camera on the motor. 35-40 (again dialect)Yes, well, Shall we have coffee. 40-45 (inside the mill) well it is a program that eeh 45-51 must film the activities of the participants 51-56 and of those shootings they make a program 56-1:00 (interviewer) What's your opinion about it all (guy) I find it a bit 1:00-1:05 typically American (other guy) with a lot of, of 1:05-1:10 with a lot of (nonsense word) kokeloko (other guy) with a lot of bombarie (probably: Bolster) (guy interviewed repeats) 1:10-1:15 everything is taken care of precisely (overvoice) But what exactly is going on 1:15-1:20 nobody is talking about, but the windmillers don't care a lot about that 1:20-1:26 Their job is clear: to keep the windmill running and that they do with a lot of concentration 1:26-1:31 (guy at the windmill) We can see a (bui) bad weather coming, but I think, Arie, we will just miss it 1:31-1:35 (outside on the windmill) He could go a little further because the wind is better there (they use the phrase “ten opzichte” which is more like according) 1:35-1:41 (voice over) after asking questions without camera's we found out that it is a Peking Express like program 1:41-1:46 Six teams have to fulfill tasks as soon as possible 1:46-1:52 That they don't put their hands on their wallets shows when we see a helicopter flying over to take shots 1:52-1:56 (guy on the windmill) Isn't it horrible to have a helicopter here 1:56-2:02 All that for just a few minutes in a game show 2:03-2:13 Aah, but we like to do it, just another fling (verzetje)
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I have sources that tell me as well that there were six teams. So that must be true.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Jobby on October 18, 2009, 11:47:39 AM
Probably our most spoiled leg too? :funny: :wohoo:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Caelestor on October 20, 2009, 03:10:01 PM
I'm going to say the teams flew to Amsterdam and then made their way to Groningen. Ditto when flying to Stockholm.
Hoping that this leg will be in "classic TAR-style," travelling through much of the country (Example: Switzerland w/ cheese wheels). In contrast, all of the legs this season have stayed in one city. Wishing for more self driving/train-riding too!
I also predict that this leg is a NEL in which the poker girls are last, setting up their eventual elimination at the hands of the haybales in Sweden.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 20, 2009, 04:21:15 PM
In my mind Sweden is the Non-elim and this leg is where we lose the Poker girls.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Plaidmoon on October 20, 2009, 07:04:36 PM
11/01 Amazing Race 15 - This is Not My Finest Hour (The Netherlands)
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I saw team red (Probably), The globetrotters, and the brooks couple. I've heard that there was a male gay couple. So I can safely say that there were at least four couples, but I've had a few sources saying that they knew that there were six couples.
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Yes, I saw a blond girl and a husband, I saw two guys, They were the first to come. ( I assume Dan & Sam ) Then came the blond girl with a guy and after that came the basketballers. The girl I saw was not as short and she looked as if she could be dutch. She was also attractive. I've heard that there was a gay couple (two guys) I have sources that tell me as well that there were six teams. So that must be true. I've heard sources say that they heard (near the place where it happened) that the contestants came from the airport straight from Dubai
And of course thanks to the video that Boingo found (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18840.msg435300.html#msg435300), we know Tiffany&Maria, Matt&Gary, and Brian&Ericka are there as well.
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I didn't catch this earlier, but didn't Sam and Dan say they were going to keep being gay a secret to allow them to flirt with and form alliances with the Poker Girls or the other women? Yet apparently their being gay was known to the locals in the Netherlands. Interesting, but I'm not sure what it means, if anything.
Plaidmoon
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: mswood on October 21, 2009, 10:32:50 PM
^ It means that the local wasn't blind.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: theschnauzers on October 22, 2009, 01:03:50 AM
puddin let me add to your comment.
I think it's more likely that Maria/Tiffany get eliminated this leg, rather than the next leg for logistical reasons. IIRC, they weren't seen on the ferry, so that means they would have traveled ahead to get to Tallin with production. They would have needed a day or so to get out of Race mode and get debriefed on what production wanted them to do in Tallin. I don't think they could be eliminated in Sweden and have enough time to be decoys the very next day in another country. That would suggest to me that this leg would be an elimination and not the leg in Sweden.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: DavidJunior on October 22, 2009, 01:59:45 AM
i'm still holding onto the faint hope that this is the NEL
im not the biggest fan of the poker girls, so i kinda want to see them fall victim to the dreaded Switchback
but this is just the crazy wishes of one person that has nothing to do with what really happened :colors
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on October 22, 2009, 09:20:02 AM
I think it's more likely that Maria/Tiffany get eliminated this leg, rather than the next leg for logistical reasons. IIRC, they weren't seen on the ferry, so that means they would have traveled ahead to get to Tallin with production. They would have needed a day or so to get out of Race mode and get debriefed on what production wanted them to do in Tallin. I don't think they could be eliminated in Sweden and have enough time to be decoys the very next day in another country. That would suggest to me that this leg would be an elimination and not the leg in Sweden.
the schnauzers, I seldom disagree with your judgments, but I do on this one. If Maria/Tiffany needed time to get acclimated to a decoy role (it isn't that hard and should not take long particularly for poker players who are natural actresses), the ferry ride from Sweden to Helsinki and then the short ride from Helsinki to Talinn would provide ample time for that. I believe that Maria/Tiffany got eliminated after Mika/Canaan and before Gary/Matt and Nate/Herb. That would have them finishing 6th. It could happen in either Groningen or in Stockholm, depending on how the TBC/NELs shape up.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 22, 2009, 09:52:24 AM
... IIRC, they weren't seen on the ferry, so that means they would have traveled ahead to get to Tallin with production. ...
Not necessarily...they could have easily have been flown in that day, explaining the later arrival than the ferry offers.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: theschnauzers on October 22, 2009, 10:33:43 AM
Some of this is going to depend on the length of time for the pitstops. But if the Sweden pitstop is standard, then I'm more skeptical that any team could acclimate themselves out of Race mode overnight. But it's all speculation based on what is known, and we'll just have to wait for more information to come to light.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on October 22, 2009, 12:54:27 PM
Chateau,
I recomend that you take another look at your TIMELINE timing for Dubai second leg until the arrival in Groningen.
The first Dubai leg appeared to end in the 10am (leading teams) to 11am (lagging teams except for Lance/Keri later) time frame. That means release from the second Dubai pit stop will be at 10pm to 11pm. This gives teams time to get to Dubai International Airport. Peach has hypothesized that the logical flight would be in the "wee hours" and maybe through Brussels. I can no longer verify that flight, but here is something interesting:
Wed. July 29 Gulfair 513 DXB BAH 2345 2359 Thur. July 30 Gulfair 17 BAH FRA 0150 0645 LH 312 FRA BRE 0915 1010
NOTE - Below here major revisions have been made.
Looks great, but Gulfair 17 on July 30 was 4 hours 3 minutes leaving and 4 hours late arriving. Teams can find a later but better connection:
DXB FRA LH631 0215 0605 FRA LCY BA8731 0700 0740 LCY AMS BA8451 0830 1040
or FRA BRE LH340 0700 0755
This with a 52 miles drive from Bremen to Groningen will put teams into Groningen before 10am.
This one's for you, Peach!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 22, 2009, 11:53:24 PM
I think the flight I referenced was from Tel Aviv :lol: to Brussels, which was later determined of course to not be necessary.
So thanks! There was also some more info on flight stuff here although not sure if it is outdated?? I know we thought that perhaps steffis's spoiiler could refer to a team WAY behind, which I think changed the early thought.
I love the correlation between the cars and another route to Groningen. BUT I also know that Dutch believed the teams came directly from Dubai, and noted lots of busses there from Amsterdam on the day before the task, which could have been the production team of course.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 22, 2009, 11:55:28 PM
I recomend that you take another look at your TIMELINE timing for Dubai second leg until the arrival in Groningen.
The first Dubai leg appeared to end in the 10am (leading teams) to 11am (lagging teams except for Lance/Keri later) time frame. That means release from the second Dubai pit stop will be at 10pm to 11pm. This gives teams time to get to Dubai International Airport.
If I may ask, how did you arrive at the 10am to 11am time range? Do these times include Meghan/Cheyne checking in as well or does that time start with Brian & Erika? It just seems to me that it would take longer than an hour for the other teams to complete the RB and Detour and they would be further behind Meg/Cheyne than an hour. Thanks!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on October 23, 2009, 08:15:45 PM
littlewop, you correctly remind me that I overlooked the FAST FORWARD results for Cheyne/Meghan. However, it is no matter, as they would also obviously qualify for the Lufthansa early morning flight 631 Dubai to Frankfurt.
To answer your question more specifically, those times are for all the racers except Lance and Keri (I did identify them as a bit later) and Cheyne/Meghan. That means there are these 6 teams the analysis was intended to cover (although it also fits Cheyne and Meghan maybe one to two hour ahead of the others): Brian/Ericka, Nate/Herb, Gary/Matt, Sam/Dan, Maria/Tiffany, Mika/Canaan.
If teams arrive around 8am into Bremen airport, it is 52 miles to Groningen. Since getting the camera/sound equipment out of luggage and into readiness and getting those marked cars takes at least 30 minutes, team leave Bremen airport sometime after about 830am. That length of drive on the very good flat roads in that area leads to a travel time of maybe 75 minutes. So they arrive before 10am as I stated if my assumptions are correct, not between 10am and 11am as if there were delays.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: DavidJunior on October 23, 2009, 08:32:30 PM
wait a minute... ???
i thought those results were for leg 5
and the Netherlands is leg 7
we still have another leg in Dubai...
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on October 24, 2009, 11:52:15 AM
david Junior, you are correct and I left out leg 6. When adjusted for that, the scenario is:
1000 to 1100 - Brian/Ericka, Sam/Dan, Herb/Nate, Maria/Tiffany and Mika/Canaan finish leg 5; Cheyne/Meghan are 1 to 2 hours ahead.
2200 to 2300 - the above groups are released for leg 6
0700 - probable start time for daylight tasks in leg 6
0800 - earliest time for pit stop for the group of 6
2000 - earliest time for release from pit stop for leg 7
Flights to Europe include KL428 DXB AMS 0005 0525 (actual arrival 0454 on July 30). All teams should have little trouble getting on this if seats were available.
I will go back and correct my earlier note when I get the opportunity.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: theschnauzers on October 24, 2009, 03:01:53 PM
ashkip, aren't you running a leg ahead of the Racers in that scenario? (i.e., legs 5 and 6, not 6 and 7?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP 1507 "This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 24, 2009, 04:30:16 PM
david Junior, you are correct and I left out leg 7. When adjusted for that, the scenario is:
1000 to 1100 - Brian/Ericka, Sam/Dan, Herb/Nate, Maria/Tiffany and Mika/Canaan finish leg 6; Cheyne/Meghan are 1 to 2 hrous ahead.
2200 to 2300 - the above groups are released for leg 7
0700 - probably start time for daylight tasks in leg 7 0800 - earliest time for pit stop for the group of 6
2000 - earliest time for release from pit stop for leg 8
Flights to Europe include KL428 DXB AMS 0005 0525 (actual arrival 0454 on JUly 30). All teams should have little trouble getting on this if seats were available.
I will go back and correct my earlier note when I get the opportunity.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on October 25, 2009, 04:17:05 PM
DELETED due to finding the root cause of why I was off by 1 episode/leg.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 25, 2009, 04:34:12 PM
In my world, each 1 hour episode = 1 leg. CBS reports it as my first 2 legs as only 1; so be it. My system works for me and is completely simple and understandable. If others need a translation table, then that is the way it is.
The leg tonight is leg 7. We started October 5 with leg 4 and this is the fourth episode in October. If you want to follow the CBS system and call it leg 6, that's OK with me.
Actually one might call leg 6 leg 5 if you count the opener 2 hour episode, episode 1 and so on.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: michael on October 25, 2009, 04:35:14 PM
In my world, each 1 hour episode = 1 leg. CBS reports it as my first 2 legs as only 1; so be it. My system works for me and is completely simple and understandable. If others need a translation table, then that is the way it is.
The leg tonight is leg 7. We started October 5 with leg 4 and this is the fourth episode in October. If you want to follow the CBS system and call it leg 6, that's OK with me.
Always so rude with the replies, but I get your system. ;)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 25, 2009, 05:14:26 PM
In my world, each 1 hour episode = 1 leg. CBS reports it as my first 2 legs as only 1; so be it. My system works for me and is completely simple and understandable. If others need a translation table, then that is the way it is.
The leg tonight is leg 7. We started October 5 with leg 4 and this is the fourth episode in October. If you want to follow the CBS system and call it leg 6, that's OK with me.
According to TheFutonCritic CBS schedule the leg tonight is leg 1706 so if "the leg tonight is leg 7" then we must be skipping Leg 6 or 1706?
david Junior, you are correct and I left out leg 7. When adjusted for that, the scenario is:
1000 to 1100 - Brian/Ericka, Sam/Dan, Herb/Nate, Maria/Tiffany and Mika/Canaan finish leg 6; Cheyne/Meghan are 1 to 2 hrous ahead.
2200 to 2300 - the above groups are released for leg 7
0700 - probably start time for daylight tasks in leg 7
0800 - earliest time for pit stop for the group of 6
2000 - earliest time for release from pit stop for leg 8
Flights to Europe include KL428 DXB AMS 0005 0525 (actual arrival 0454 on JUly 30). All teams should have little trouble getting on this if seats were available.
I will go back and correct my earlier note when I get the opportunity.
I don't still get it?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: michael on October 25, 2009, 05:16:23 PM
neither do I puddin but sometimes it's best just to play along :neener:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 25, 2009, 05:30:17 PM
In my world, each 1 hour episode = 1 leg. CBS reports it as my first 2 legs as only 1; so be it. My system works for me and is completely simple and understandable. If others need a translation table, then that is the way it is.
The leg tonight is leg 7. We started October 5 with leg 4 and this is the fourth episode in October. If you want to follow the CBS system and call it leg 6, that's OK with me.
And if you follow the CBS system..
Season 15: Episode 01: They Thought Godzilla was Walking Down the Street (Japan/Vietnam)9/27/09 Season 15: Episode 03: It’s Like Being Dropped on Planet Mars (Vietnam)10/4/09 Season 15: Episode 04: Sean Penn Cambodia Here We Come (Cambodia)10/11/09 Season 15: Episode 05: I'm Like Ricky Bobby (Dubai)10/18/09
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race/recaps/
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: theschnauzers on October 25, 2009, 05:48:47 PM
What needed to be repeated from the TFC listings page is that the premiere was episodes 1501/1502, consistent with the leg numbers and the theory that CBS has to double up the first two episodes due to the conflict between the Emmys and the MTV Video Awards that would have occured on September 13th.
The episode and leg numbers are consistent this season. Now I haven't looked at what the greasemonkeys are doing at CBS.com, but that place is often the least accurate of them all.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on October 25, 2009, 06:27:18 PM
In my world, each 1 hour episode = 1 leg. CBS reports it as my first 2 legs as only 1; so be it. My system works for me and is completely simple and understandable. If others need a translation table, then that is the way it is.
The leg tonight is leg 7. We started October 5 with leg 4 and this is the fourth episode in October. If you want to follow the CBS system and call it leg 6, that's OK with me.
Thank you, Mr. Amazing Race. We are all graced by your regal presence.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Hooky on October 25, 2009, 06:28:09 PM
Apskip, your system still makes no sense, because if you refer to the two hour premiere episode as just "Episode 1", you wouldn't call this "Leg/Episode 6", but would actually call it "Episode 5." There's no good reasoning I know of for calling it "Leg 7". The actual leg number is 6.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 25, 2009, 07:58:53 PM
New updates from Dutch Samedhi!!
I sent revised photos and videos of Meghan and Mika:
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It is difficult to say whom I saw after such a long time, so it is a bit of an guess, but I would have to go for Meghan. It's also difficult to say because I saw them in Volendam clothes
Teams he for sure saw himself: no surprises, except Matt and gary he didn't see, apparently.
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Meghan/Cheyne (dating) Probably
Brian/Ericka clip (husband/wife,she was Miss America 2004) For sure
Nate/Herb (Globetrotters) For sure
Dan/Sam (brothers) For sure
Tiffany/Maria (world poker champs, friends) For sure
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I saw the first team at about 10 o'clock (before that they were in a village nearby) I was in the harbour and was at a distance of about 7 meters
I asked about the possibility of teams coming from Bremen instead of Schiphol>>
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I heard people say (people who talked to them) that they came from Schiphol, but they could have misunderstood. When we in holland talk about the airport it's usually Schiphol.
I asked: I keep looking for info on the Zoutcamp dance group, but am unable to find anything. Do they have a website or any videos out there we could see?
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No, these are all just old ladies
:funny:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 25, 2009, 08:00:58 PM
And please can we stop :badhorse: about the leg numbers?
Good grief. :groan:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 25, 2009, 08:03:13 PM
some quickies
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 25, 2009, 08:05:50 PM
Not sure, but I don't think that bell tower is in Zoutkamp...
And look! 10:35 for the Trotters! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 25, 2009, 08:07:38 PM
But it might be in GRONINGEN!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: autowil on October 25, 2009, 08:08:06 PM
Not sure, but I don't think that bell tower is in Zoutkamp...
And look! 10:35 for the Trotters! :lol:
Is 10:25...
I was making a funny :funny:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on October 25, 2009, 08:40:27 PM
:lol: boerendans = "peasant dance" :casey
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Slowhatch on October 25, 2009, 08:43:09 PM
Strangely enough, Groningen is available in both bird's eye and street view (here (http://data.mashedworld.com/dualmaps/map.htm?x=6.56829&y=53.218992&z=16&gm=0&ve=5&gc=0&bz=1&bd=0&mw=1&sv=1&svb=0&svp=0&svz=0&svm=2&svf=0)).
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Moo on October 25, 2009, 08:43:14 PM
ashkip, aren't you running a leg ahead of the Racers in that scenario? (i.e., legs 5 and 6, not 6 and 7?
theschnauzers, when I had the chance to trace it back, I discovered that you were right. I had added a non-existent week to the start of AR15. I had subsequently corrected it.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 26, 2009, 12:02:16 PM
Clues:
WHEN ONE TEAM REVEALS A PERSONAL SECRET THEY'VE KEPT HIDDEN, THEY WONDER HOW OTHERS WILL REACT AND THE THREAT OF POSSIBLE ELIMINATION BRINGS ONE RACER TO TEARS, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," SUNDAY, NOV. 1 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK
"This is Not My Finest Hour (The Netherlands)" — One team musters up the courage to reveal a personal secret to the others, and another Racer breaks down in tears as the stress of the Race mounts, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, Nov. 1 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Phil Keoghan is the host.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 26, 2009, 12:04:18 PM
So Sam and Dan come out and Ericka breaks down in tears, wow CBS :lol:
hmmmm maybe this is the NEL, the promos might be telling.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Caelestor on October 26, 2009, 12:50:51 PM
We've got the obligatory dancing leg! Leg 6 gave me hope for a revitalized season, let's hope Europe seals the deal.
I still think this is the NEL.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on October 26, 2009, 01:15:15 PM
Boy, CBS is doing all it can to spoil the season before RFF does. What's up with that? :meow: :meow: (:;) (:;) (:;) :knuckles: :knuckles: :knuckles:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Zack. on October 26, 2009, 01:28:19 PM
What about in Stockholm (specifically AF Chapman)? They used it as the Pit Stop/lodging in TAR 6, and with the "budget friendly" ideology that TPTB are trying to implement, I could see them re-using a Pit Stop/hostel.
re: NEL - It seems like the best bet here in order to raise suspense over the haybales ; Gronigen is F6 NEL, Stockholm is F6 elim, Tallinn is F5 elim, Prague 1 is a TBC or NEL, Prague 2 is F4 elim, and Vegas is the finale.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 26, 2009, 01:37:21 PM
What about in Stockholm (specifically AF Chapman)? They used it as the Pit Stop/lodging in TAR 6, and with the "budget friendly" ideology that TPTB are trying to implement, I could see them re-using a Pit Stop/hostel.
re: NEL - It seems like the best bet here in order to raise suspense over the haybales ; Gronigen is F6 NEL, Stockholm is F6 elim, Tallinn is F5 elim, Prague 1 is a TBC or NEL, Prague 2 is F4 elim, and Vegas is the finale.
Actually he did not say "this time" he said at one time. He also mentioned using an amusement park barracks so that might be Sweden/Gruna Lund but thats off topic so I won't go there here.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 26, 2009, 02:36:20 PM
That youth Hostel is NOT where they stayed, turns out. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 26, 2009, 07:46:46 PM
So spot the something/flag? from the Martini bell Tower? I think Ericka has binoculars/pouch
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 26, 2009, 07:51:39 PM
I hope that does not mean Ericka & Brian are last :ascared (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18840.0;attach=124031;image)
This shot was taken between 8:14 am and 9:04 am (assumes July 30th). (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18840.0;attach=124119;image)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 26, 2009, 08:06:15 PM
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 27, 2009, 12:55:32 AM
I hope we see Phil riding a bike in his standup for the Detours, while wearing clogs of course :pedaler: Anyway, I found a nice walking/ photo tour of Groningen here (http://www.pbase.com/joe_blalock/groningen_07).
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: ImANewUser on October 27, 2009, 01:17:08 AM
I wanna see the return of the chaotic boat ride during Leg 5 of Season 4. <3<3<3<3
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: redskevin88 on October 27, 2009, 03:44:24 AM
So spot the something/flag? from the Martini bell Tower? I think Ericka has binoculars/pouch
Spot and find the travelocity roaming gnome.
I dunno I can't see the gnome in the video but that doesn't mean there isn't one. In TAR13 did they have to bring the gnome to the pitstop in Auckland ? I can't recall.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Coutzy on October 27, 2009, 09:11:36 AM
So spot the something/flag? from the Martini bell Tower? I think Ericka has binoculars/pouch
Spot and find the travelocity roaming gnome.
I dunno I can't see the gnome in the video but that doesn't mean there isn't one. In TAR13 did they have to bring the gnome to the pitstop in Auckland ? I can't recall.
Yes, they did. Even Ken and Tina got one.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 27, 2009, 09:26:47 AM
Thanks Coutzy, if there is a gnome I suppose they could have left it in the car. So Tiffany and Maria are in 1st place? we see them leaving then arriving back at the windmill right? :yess: Dutch did not see them, I believe he saw some of the teams headed to the dyke's where the detours were, he saw Sam/Dan then Meghan/Cheyne then the Globetrotters. We know at one point Ericka and Brian were behind, as pointed out by Chateau it looks like only 5 vehicles at the windmill and we see Ericka and Brian's Volendam still on the hangers so..and then with Ericka's breakdown at the Roadblock it fits. Roadblock windmill/ to detours >> Farmersgolf or Farmers dance (?) pitstop somewhere Groningen per CBS map NEL/Brian/Ericka << unless Maria and Tiffany really screwed up headed to the pitstop then this is what I'm thinking if the above scenario does not play out that way.
Roadblock -> Climb tower, look for stuff. We see Ericka on her own up there, and she has binoculars.
Detours: Dance with accordion ladies - Ride bikes?
Does that sound right/plausible?
Thanks to Dutch, see page 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,20966.msg484730.html#msg484730), Farmersgolf is the other detour option, it looks like all teams must dress in the clothing and head to the dyke-- Munnekezijl on bikes where the detours are (see the maps (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,20966.msg484730.html#msg484730))
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Coutzy on October 27, 2009, 09:42:01 AM
Roadblock -> Climb tower, look for stuff. We see Ericka on her own up there, and she has binoculars.
Detours: Dance with accordion ladies - Ride bikes?
Does that sound right/plausible?
Thanks to Dutch, see page 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,20966.msg484730.html#msg484730), Farmersgolf is the other detour option, it looks like all teams must dress in the clothing and head to the dyke-- Munnekezijl where the detours are (see the maps (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,20966.msg484730.html#msg484730))
Ah, I see it now.
It just makes it much easier for me to comprehend if I've got it all in one post.
EDIT: Also, quotage!
I'm thinking Ericka while she's up the tower?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 27, 2009, 09:59:03 AM
I think riding the bikes dressed as a tater would have been cooler :casey
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: theschnauzers on October 27, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
CBS has just released a press bundle at www.cbspressexpress.com, and in a press release for the November Sweeps highlights, it included the following:
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Sunday, Nov. 8 THE AMAZING RACE (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) —While racing throughStockholm, one unlucky team faces a speed bump and, for the first time in the series' history, teams return to the site of an infamous roadblock. Phil Keoghan hosts.
Thus, we have confirmation that the leg in The Netherlands is a NEL.
The press release itself is a Word document, so while I can link to it you have to download it and open it in MS Word,
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: gator27 on October 27, 2009, 02:56:21 PM
CBS has just released a press bundle at www.cbspressexpress.com, and in a press release for the November Sweeps highlights, it included the following:
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Sunday, Nov. 8 THE AMAZING RACE (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) —While racing throughStockholm, one unlucky team faces a speed bump and, for the first time in the series' history, teams return to the site of an infamous roadblock. Phil Keoghan hosts.
Thus, we have confirmation that the leg in The Netherlands is a NEL.
The press release itself is a Word document, so while I can link to it you have to download it and open it in MS Word,
Nice find! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on October 27, 2009, 03:20:31 PM
Thanks Coutzy, if there is a gnome I suppose they could have left it in the car. So Tiffany and Maria are in 1st place? we see them leaving then arriving back at the windmill right? :yess: Dutch did not see them, I believe he saw some of the teams headed to the dyke's where the detours were, he saw Sam/Dan then Meghan/Cheyne then the Globetrotters. We know at one point Ericka and Brian were behind, as pointed out by Chateau it looks like only 5 vehicles at the windmill and we see Ericka and Brian's Volendam still on the hangers so..and then with Ericka's breakdown at the Roadblock it fits. Roadblock windmill/ to detours >> Farmersgolf or Farmers dance (?) pitstop somewhere Groningen per CBS map NEL/Brian/Ericka << unless Maria and Tiffany really screwed up headed to the pitstop then this is what I'm thinking if the above scenario does not play out that way.
I've got that the Roadblock comes after the windmill, bikes, and dance/golf Detour. :neener:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 27, 2009, 04:12:18 PM
Okay Chateau but I was under the impression that all teams have to wear the Volendam clothing and we see the Trotters having a confessional while still dressed in that clothing so maybe the golfers don't have to dress in the clothing just the dancers? Ericka and Brian have on their regular clothes at the RB so that was my thinking of why it came first but you know I never doubt you :) :jam: We know Matt/Gary, The Poker girls and The Trotters (and dance) are for sure wearing the clothing and riding the bikes. We really need a promo :knuckles: I'm sick of looking for it already :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: River on October 27, 2009, 04:51:58 PM
Hi, long time lurker, but I just have to say good job to all of the TAR Detectives, and the great job they have done here, I can't wait to see this episode with the Globetrotters doing the dance. Is it really a climb that Erika is afraid of? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 27, 2009, 05:00:22 PM
I am with Chateau...
Tower is a get a clue task IMO, then bicycle is a general task, THEN roadblock unknown but at location below.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on October 27, 2009, 06:26:27 PM
I'm not trying to be too sneaky :lol:
I only know that the shot of Brian & Ericka looking at the bell twoer was taken at the near end of the day. So, since I am stubbornly sticking with the idea that they arrive and have to wait for their cars to be available in the morning, that means this afternoon shot has to be after the dress-up/bike-ride and Detour part. I guess the bell tower does not have to be a Roadblock.
So for me it's bell tower at the end of the leg. Now about that confessional ... :duno:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 27, 2009, 06:57:16 PM
...........keeps looking for the confessional area zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: redskevin88 on October 27, 2009, 08:20:41 PM
I know I've been giving false spoilers all season, sorry I'm just too excited.
But it looks like a globetrotters are in a garden behind or in front of a building, or maybe a hostel. Just figure out which one has a small garden in them, and more likely, someone near possible pit stop locations, and you have your confessional location.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 27, 2009, 08:28:33 PM
When every building looks the same its not that easy redskevin88 but ours has some unique features, the straw or wooden doll on the window, the neatly placed wooden shoes... a windchime, lol. I can't even begin to tell you how many buildings I've looked at but your more than welcomed to help.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 27, 2009, 08:34:49 PM
I only know that the shot of Brian & Ericka looking at the bell twoer was taken at the near end of the day. So, since I am stubbornly sticking with the idea that they arrive and have to wait for their cars to be available in the morning, that means this afternoon shot has to be after the dress-up/bike-ride and Detour part. I guess the bell tower does not have to be a Roadblock.
So for me it's bell tower at the end of the leg. Now about that confessional ... :duno:
Why couldn't the bell tower be the start? ??? Geographically it seems to make more sense to me to START in Groningen, then continue on to Zoutcamp for the rest of the tasks. Esp since it appears that they spent the next 36 hours in Farmer's ( Golf ) Brown's campground.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 27, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
So the pitstop is in Zuidhorn, Groningen?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on October 27, 2009, 09:19:32 PM
I'm thinking the leg ends in Groningen.
Or something very nearby so that they can still basically say it is Groningen on the map they put up.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: NoluckBoston on October 27, 2009, 10:18:08 PM
...........keeps looking for the confessional area zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I doubt this is it, but I put it out there.
"Eelde
Next-door to the museum is the "Nijsinghhuis", a beautiful restored seventeenth-century building. Or visit the "Gebroeders Wietzes Klompenmuseum" (clog museum). As well as clogs, you can see the manufacturing process and the tools that were, and still are, used in the workshop."
This site says there is a Clog Museum is near by. I looked at a lot of photos, but cant find to many of the outside or a garden courtyard. http://us.holland.com/e/8560/Around%20Groningen.php (http://us.holland.com/e/8560/Around%20Groningen.php) http://www.klompenmuseum.nl/engels/eng_general.htm (http://www.klompenmuseum.nl/engels/eng_general.htm)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on October 27, 2009, 11:25:36 PM
I am going to try to estimate when teams released from the pit stop, then assess the probable flight combinations they will take.
I have assigned the tasks and transportation involved in Ep. 6 (Dubai II) the following approximate durations (in minutes):
Taxi to Dubai Creek 15 Rowing to Yacht and Back 30 except Tiffany 15 and Brian 45 Open Briefcase 0 except for Herb/Nate 85 Taxi to Old Souk Abra Station 15 Walk to DETOURs 10 except for Sam/Dan who must have lost 15 minutes in transit and had about 25 GOLD Detour Marie/Tiffany 5, Sam/Dan 5 or GLASS other 5 teams average maybe 60 except Mika/Canaan 30 Gary/Matt 75 and Brian/Ericka 120 due partly to trying both DETOURs Taxi to Atlantis Resort 15 Walk to Leap of Faith 10 Leap of Faith 5 except for Mika/Canaan 50 Walk to Pit Stop 5
TOTALS for Maria/Tiffany 1 hour 50 minutes TOTALS for Sam/Dan 2 hours 5 minutes TOTALS for Cheyne/Meghan, Gary/Matt 2 hours 45 minutes TOTALS for Brian/Ericka 3 hours 45 minutes TOTALS for Nate/Herb 4 hours 15 minutes TOTALS for Mika/Canaan 3 hours 0 minutes
Add in 12 hours for the pit stop between legs 6 and 7 you have this for release times (add 20 minutes to these to get to Dubai International Airport and 30 minutes minimum to book and board a flight):
Cheyne/Meghan release around 1102pm July 28 Maria/Tiffany release about 137am July 29 Sam/Dan release about 139am Brian/Ericka release about 144am Gary/Matt release about 145am Nate/Herb arrive about 252am
That leads to the following implications for flights teams will get, assuming that the pit stop is 12 hours:
Cheyne/Meghan can make the nonstop KL428 DXB AMS 0140 0600
Maria/Tiffany, Sam/Dan, Brian/Ericka and Gary/Matt will just miss the Swiss connection through Zurich and they will get OS840 DXB VIE 0240 0605 connecting in Vienna to OS371 0720 0915.
That leaves in deep trouble Nate/Herb, who can do no better than waiting for the nonstop KL430 DXB AMS 0800 1220.
This is an anti-bunching approach, but I figure that sometime this race World Race Productions will give us just a glimpse of a real, non-bunched race (then take it all back by bunching for the remainder of AR15).
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Caelestor on October 28, 2009, 12:04:51 AM
Open Briefcase 0 except for Herb/Nate 85
The hood's definitely mad at them! :lol:
Somehow, I think TAR is going to have yet another non-standard pit stop, and force them to take the 8:00 flight. Besides Phil getting ahead of everyone else, non-stop flights are cheaper. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on October 28, 2009, 02:13:46 AM
I am going to try to estimate when teams released from the pit stop, then assess the probable flight combinations they will take.
I have assigned the tasks and transportation involved in Ep. 6 (Dubai II) the following approximate durations (in minutes):
Taxi to Dubai Creek 15 Rowing to Yacht and Back 30 except Tiffany 15 and Brian 45 Open Briefcase 0 except for Herb/Nate 85 Taxi to Old Souk Abra Station 15 Walk to DETOURs 10 except for Sam/Dan who must have lost 15 minutes in transit and had about 25 GOLD Detour Marie/Tiffany 5, Sam/Dan 5 or GLASS other 5 teams average maybe 60 except Mika/Canaan 30 Gary/Matt 75 and Brian/Ericka 120 due partly to trying both DETOURs Taxi to Atlantis Resort 15 Walk to Leap of Faith 10 Leap of Faith 5 except for Mika/Canaan 50 Walk to Pit Stop 5
TOTALS for Maria/Tiffany 1 hour 50 minutes TOTALS for Sam/Dan 2 hours 5 minutes TOTALS for Cheyne/Meghan, Gary/Matt 2 hours 45 minutes TOTALS for Brian/Ericka 3 hours 45 minutes TOTALS for Nate/Herb 4 hours 15 minutes TOTALS for Mika/Canaan 3 hours 0 minutes
Add in 12 hours for the pit stop between legs 6 and 7 you have this for release times (add 20 minutes to these to get to Dubai International Airport and 30 minutes minimum to book and board a flight):
Cheyne/Meghan release around 1102pm July 28 Maria/Tiffany release about 137am July 29 Sam/Dan release about 139am Brian/Ericka release about 144am Gary/Matt release about 145am Nate/Herb arrive about 252am
That leads to the following implications for flights teams will get, assuming that the pit stop is 12 hours:
Cheyne/Meghan can make the nonstop KL428 DXB AMS 0140 0600
Maria/Tiffany, Sam/Dan, Brian/Ericka and Gary/Matt will just miss the Swiss connection through Zurich and they will get OS840 DXB VIE 0240 0605 connecting in Vienna to OS371 0720 0915.
That leaves in deep trouble Nate/Herb, who can do no better than waiting for the nonstop KL430 DXB AMS 0800 1220.
This is an anti-bunching approach, but I figure that sometime this race World Race Productions will give us just a glimpse of a real, non-bunched race (then take it all back by bunching for the remainder of AR15).
But we already know, thanks to Puddin's sharp eye, that Cheyne & Meghan finish at 12:15 pm. No need to estimate. And that KL428 1:40 am flight to AMS was actually at 12:13 am. The other direct flight to AMS you listed does not show up.
Somehow, I think TAR is going to have yet another non-standard pit stop, and force them to take the 8:00 flight. Besides Phil getting ahead of everyone else, non-stop flights are cheaper. :duno:
In my experience, direct flights are not cheaper because they are in higher demand. This experience is limited to flying in North America.
I do not think cost of the flight is an issue. Teams need to get to a destination as quickly as possible and direct routes are the best.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on October 28, 2009, 07:08:42 AM
gator27, If I were to make a generalization based on years as a travel agent, it would be that nonstop international flights are generally more expensive than connecting flights because passengers value the convenience.
For the Amazing Race, I doubt that it matters, however, as I understand that the standard instructions to teams are to buy the Y class (or equivalent) for a given route. This is economy but with maximum flexibilty and the opportunity to have alterante flights endorsed by the alternate airline very quickly. These cost more than the least expensive economy class seats and there is one price irrespective of whether a flight is nonstop or connecting.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on October 28, 2009, 08:02:55 AM
Chateau,
Your criticisms are correct. I looked back at KL428 and saw that it landed early at 513am but I failed to note its much erarlier departure time than the information I had. However, so what? Cheyne/Meghan should have been able to get on it anyway, as they had 70 minutes to get to the airport, ticket and board. If they failed to make it then they would have gotten on the next best flight combination, which is AF525 DXB CDG 0125 0610 connecting in Paris to AF9270 CDG AMS 0735 0835. That cuts their arrival lead over the next teams to only 40 minutes.
The point is that there is an array of flight options and foreclosing one does not alter the general approach. For Nate/Herb if KL430 was a days-of-the-week flight then and is now a MTWThSa flight, it only means that they have to take an earlier connecting flight and arrive 2.5 hours later. That would be Eqyptair (MS) 911 DXB CAI with actual schedule for Wednesday July 29 (since you insist) 0459 0727 connecting in Cairo with MS757 CAI AMS 1054 1436. There really isn't any time of day or night on the route Dubai to Amsterdam that a difference of almost 4 hours vs. Cheyne/Meghan would allow Nate/Herb to be on the same flight as Cheyne/Meghan.
For the other 4 teams it is conceivable that Cheyne/Meghan were not able to get an earlier flight and they ended up bunched together, but I don't think this happened.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: gator27 on October 28, 2009, 08:32:33 AM
gator27, If I were to make a generalization based on years as a travel agent, it would be that nonstop international flights are generally more expensive than connecting flights because passengers value the convenience.
For the Amazing Race, I doubt that it matters, however, as I understand that the standard instructions to teams are to buy the Y class (or equivalent) for a given route. This is economy but with maximum flexibilty and the opportunity to have alterante flights endorsed by the alternate airline very quickly. These cost more than the least expensive economy class seats and there is one price irrespective of whether a flight is nonstop or connecting.
Thanks for the info. You are obviously more qualified to comment on the cost of flights. I learned something this morning.
We agree that cost is not an issue for the Amazing Racers.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on October 28, 2009, 10:24:43 AM
Your criticisms are correct. I looked back at KL428 and saw that it landed early at 513am but I failed to note its much erarlier departure time than the information I had. However, so what? Cheyne/Meghan should have been able to get on it anyway, as they had 70 minutes to get to the airport, ticket and board. If they failed to make it then they would have gotten on the next best flight combination, which is AF525 DXB CDG 0125 0610 connecting in Paris to AF9270 CDG AMS 0735 0835. That cuts their arrival lead over the next teams to only 40 minutes.
The point is that there is an array of flight options and foreclosing one does not alter the general approach. For Nate/Herb if KL430 was a days-of-the-week flight then and is now a MTWThSa flight, it only means that they have to take an earlier connecting flight and arrive 2.5 hours later. That would be Eqyptair (MS) 911 DXB CAI with actual schedule for Wednesday July 29 (since you insist) 0459 0727 connecting in Cairo with MS757 CAI AMS 1054 1436. There really isn't any time of day or night on the route Dubai to Amsterdam that a difference of almost 4 hours vs. Cheyne/Meghan would allow Nate/Herb to be on the same flight as Cheyne/Meghan.
For the other 4 teams it is conceivable that Cheyne/Meghan were not able to get an earlier flight and they ended up bunched together, but I don't think this happened.
Going by standard 12-hour Pit Stop timing, Cheyne & Meghan did not get released early enough to catch KL428. We have that they checked in at 12:15 pm. that would mean they start the new leg at 12:15 am. That does not give them enough time to catch flight KL428 which left at 12:13 am. No matter how fast they are they cannot go backwards in time. You're using either the wrong release time or the wrong takeoff time if you say "However, so what? Cheyne/Meghan should have been able to get on it anyway, as they had 70 minutes to get to the airport, ticket and board. "
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on October 28, 2009, 11:18:26 AM
Chateau, it's obvious that I do not agree with the 1215pm finish time for Cheyne/Meghan since my estimate of that is stated as 1102am. I don't know whether yours is better than mine or not because I used a series of assumptions to get there. It's certainly possible that they took 73 minutes longer in the total time for Dubai II tasks and transportation, but obviously I do not think so. We'll see when the pit stop release times are available at the beginning of the show Sunday night. However, my "so what" comment still applies. If they can't get that flight, they jsut get the Air France flight combination. They arrive ahead of the other teams pretty much for sure, although the amount varies with which flight or flights they get.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 28, 2009, 11:24:21 AM
a few new frames
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 28, 2009, 11:27:26 AM
Chateau, it's obvious that I do not agree with the 1215pm finish time for Cheyne/Meghan since my estimate of that is stated as 1102am. I don't know whether yours is better than mine or not because I used a series of assumptions to get there. It's certainly possible that they took 73 minutes longer in the total time for Dubai II tasks and transportation, but obviously I do not think so. We'll see when the pit stop release times are available at the beginning of the show Sunday night. However, my "so what" comment still applies. If they can't get that flight, they jsut get the Air France flight combination. They arrive ahead of the other teams pretty much for sure, although the amount varies with which flight or flights they get.
When Meghan and Cheyne checked in, Phil's watch (from the insider clips) :waves:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 28, 2009, 11:35:07 AM
Why are we back to all Amsterdam flights again? What happened to coming in and getting the cars in Bremen as an option?? ???
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: theschnauzers on October 28, 2009, 11:37:02 AM
Giving how most of the pit stops this season have been something other than the standard 12-hour pitstops, there's no reason to assume that the pit stop had to be at least 12 hours; it could have been less than 12 hours.
My guess would be that the pit stop release would have been used to get Phil on that 12:12 am flight, ahead of the Racers, and that the release time was chosen to maximize the likelyhood of the teams would get flights that would have the teams using the same later flight.
I seriously doubt that a team would likely have enough time to make a flight that departs 70 minutes after release from a pitstop.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Caelestor on October 28, 2009, 11:38:41 AM
Why transfer when there are already non-stop flights to Amsterdam? I'd avoid transfers at all cost (if you miss the flight, then you're screwed).
@theschanuzers: I believe the teams will make the 8:00 flights and camp out at the airport for a while.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on October 28, 2009, 02:23:38 PM
Why are we back to all Amsterdam flights again? What happened to coming in and getting the cars in Bremen as an option?? ???
Peach, As I am the leading proponent of going to Bremen, I guess the answer is that the information has been on this thread but ignored by everyone so even I decided to ignore it. The flight combination stands as:
LH631 DXB FRA 0125 0555 LH340 FRA BRE 0700 0755 and those flights were pretty much on-time Wednesday July 29.
That would fit only Cheyne/Meghan.
There are no flight combinations for Maria/Tiffany, Sam/Dan, Gary/Matt and Brian/Ericka going to Bremen that are competitive with the ones to Amsterdam in their time frame.
I did not earlier address the possibility of a later flight, because I did not know that Nate/Herb would need it. There is an initial flight SQ490 to Istanbul 0410 0740. In Istanbul is the choice of 3 paths, two through CDG; the one I like best is through FRA, LH2085 0825 1035 connecting in Frankfurt with LH344 1320 1415 arriving 10 minutes late on July 29.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: theschnauzers on October 28, 2009, 02:45:34 PM
Since teams are having to drive themselves, the release clue to likely going to tell the Racers to fly to XX and then drive yourself to YY. They're not going to be given a choice of airports to fly to to up pick their cars.
So it has to be either Bremen for all the teams, or Amsterdam for all of the teams. And given the hyperspeed at which this season was filmed, it's going to be whichever of the two is closer.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on October 28, 2009, 02:49:01 PM
:waves: thanks for the additional pix, puddin.
FWIW, Braderie = Fair...kind of makes sense
and the meaning of Zoutkamp is Salt Camp ;D
:carryon:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 28, 2009, 02:56:20 PM
:waves: vidcaps in awhile I have guy cleaning my furnace. and OMG it looks like a great episode!
Take a spooky trip to Holland on the next episode of The Amazing Race.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Caelestor on October 28, 2009, 03:06:13 PM
Quite a few tasks this week: Windmill (Roadblock?) Bikes (I think it's just transportation between two tasks) Detour?: Dancing, Golf Test-Your-Strength (Miscellaneous?)
Since teams are having to drive themselves, the release clue to likely going to tell the Racers to fly to XX and then drive yourself to YY. They're not going to be given a choice of airports to fly to to up pick their cars.
It makes more sense for the racers to fly to Amsterdam, since as people pointed out, it's easier to get there. Besides, they have to self-drive to Groningen.
TPTB have the potential to make this a really great episode, but we'll see.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on October 28, 2009, 03:19:34 PM
Giving how most of the pit stops this season have been something other than the standard 12-hour pitstops, there's no reason to assume that the pit stop had to be at least 12 hours; it could have been less than 12 hours.
My guess would be that the pit stop release would have been used to get Phil on that 12:12 am flight, ahead of the Racers, and that the release time was chosen to maximize the likelyhood of the teams would get flights that would have the teams using the same later flight.
I seriously doubt that a team would likely have enough time to make a flight that departs 70 minutes after release from a pitstop.
I'm going with a non-12 hour Pit Stop. Probably something like 18 hours. Whatever it turns out to be here is the shocker I propose:
Cheyne & Meghan are the ones who met Steffie Sunrise !!! :neener:
Hey Cheyne, how does it feel to be considered an 'older couple'? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: chill_sd on October 28, 2009, 03:23:41 PM
Farmer's Golf in long underwear! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 28, 2009, 03:28:28 PM
Since teams are having to drive themselves, the release clue to likely going to tell the Racers to fly to XX and then drive yourself to YY. They're not going to be given a choice of airports to fly to to up pick their cars.
So it has to be either Bremen for all the teams, or Amsterdam for all of the teams. And given the hyperspeed at which this season was filmed, it's going to be whichever of the two is closer.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I value yours although I do not agree with all of them. The closer airport to Groningen is clearly Bremen at 52 miles. I did the calculation of distance from Schiphol Airprot to Groningen and it I remember it as either 113 miles or 103 miles. Bremen is over an hour closer and favored particuarly since no driving in an Amsterdam rush hour would be required.
I do not agree that all teams have to go to the same airport. It is not probable but certainly possible that all teams will not be directed to one airport. If so, that airport should be Bremen for a number of reasons, most notably its proximity to Groningen. But, as Caelestor says, we'll see. Indeed we will.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 28, 2009, 03:35:28 PM
I only know that the shot of Brian & Ericka looking at the bell twoer was taken at the near end of the day. So, since I am stubbornly sticking with the idea that they arrive and have to wait for their cars to be available in the morning, that means this afternoon shot has to be after the dress-up/bike-ride and Detour part. I guess the bell tower does not have to be a Roadblock.
So for me it's bell tower at the end of the leg. Now about that confessional ... :duno:
I like the tower at the end of the day...but suppose it is the 29th and not the 30th?
We have Steffi seeing a team the morning of July 29 in Dubai wanting to call about flights.
So can we get them to Groningen in time for late afternoon shots at the bell tower on the 29th??
And then an overnight for some reason and the rest of the tasks the next morning on the 30th??
And the campground will be likely one of these two... it is also where the teams campout for their pitstop for the next 36 hours :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 28, 2009, 04:32:18 PM
puddin...what am I looking for? Can you repost the house with the straw doll in the window please? I went all over these sites this morning but didn't know I had something to compare to.
Since teams are having to drive themselves, the release clue to likely going to tell the Racers to fly to XX and then drive yourself to YY. They're not going to be given a choice of airports to fly to to up pick their cars.
So it has to be either Bremen for all the teams, or Amsterdam for all of the teams. And given the hyperspeed at which this season was filmed, it's going to be whichever of the two is closer.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I value yours although I do not agree with all of them. The closer airport to Groningen is clearly Bremen at 52 miles. I did the calculation of distance from Schiphol Airprot to Groningen and it I remember it as either 113 miles or 103 miles. Bremen is over an hour closer and favored particuarly since no driving in an Amsterdam rush hour would be required.
I do not agree that all teams have to go to the same airport. It is not probable but certainly possible that all teams will not be directed to one airport. If so, that airport should be Bremen for a number of reasons, most notably its proximity to Groningen. But, as Celaestor says, we'll see. Indeed we will.
I'm not taking sides in whether the teams end up flying to Bremen or Amsterdam, I'm just saying that it makes little economic or time sense for production to leave sets of vehicles at multiple airports so teams have choices where to fly. I cannot think of a single instance in the past where teams were given such a choice, and I'd be highly surprised that they would do so this time, absent some overriding reason we haven't been privy to. So I'm 99 percent certain that all the teams had to fly to the same airport, although they may have used different flights and connections to get there.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on October 28, 2009, 05:03:16 PM
Farmers golf is played with a special wooden golf club, with a club head in the shape of a wooden shoe, or clog (in Dutch: klomp). A farmers golf ball is, with its 20 centimeter diameter, much larger than a traditional golf ball.
A golf hole is made by placing a bucket in the ground and a flagpole beside it. The 8 to 10 holes have, on average, more than 200 meters distance between them. A typical Farmersgolf TM course consists of 8 hectares or about 20 acres.
The defining feature of Farmer's Golf is that the game is played on an otherwise unaltered farm. Obstacles and "hazards" include anything one might find on the farm, including live cows, ditches and barbed wire.
The pin is also the start point for the following hole.
The ball can always be moved a club length from where it lies as long as it is not moved closer to the pin. A hole is finished when the ball is hit into the bucket at the pin. The ball is then removed from the bucket and placed 4 metres away in the direction of the pin for the next hole. This is continued until all ten holes of the course have been played.
There is mention that the game is traditionally played in Dutch wooden shoes.
To me this looks like a variant of croquet with the mallet swung in a golf-like arc instead of rotated in an arc by your legs.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Slowhatch on October 28, 2009, 05:12:47 PM
What kind of campground are you looking for? There's one in Zoutkamp, De Rousant (http://www.rousant.nl/CAMPING/INDEX.HTM), located on the spit of land just below the town (click the photo upper-left for a pano).
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 28, 2009, 05:36:16 PM
From the page 1 updates from Dutch in this thread:
Then I've heard other people say things about the spectacle and I've deducted that they probably took this route on bicycle (the road that seems to go straight to Zoutkamp is a dyke):
The last picture can be a bit off, because I have only heard about this and have no firm source, but the dance plateau could be seen from the other side of the river (bagger(ed) (dutch:baggeren ) so much it looks like a canal) and I've heard about the farmersgolf from people inside the campsite, but nobody actually saw it.
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They were wearing traditional clothing from Volendam. ... Finally somebody came to film our beautiful village and then people would probably be told that it was Volendam. ... We could easily go through for Volendam, because we are a fisherman's village and there are fishing boats around and because on the other side of the village there is a piece of the sea we partially poldered and which turned from salt water into sweet.
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Additionally, teams camped here (wherever here is :lol: ) for a 36 hour Pitstop.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 28, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
nvm...I got it!!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 28, 2009, 05:45:19 PM
This is Cheyne fwiw
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 28, 2009, 06:12:54 PM
Thanks to Dutch...the campground iwhere the Farmer's golf was is Robersums for sure.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 28, 2009, 06:33:07 PM
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on October 28, 2009, 07:06:29 PM
:lol: another view of the brick building behind the carnival "ring the bell" game. It's unusual shape and massive size should be easy for "Dutch" to ID. :snicker:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on October 28, 2009, 07:13:37 PM
:lol: I was wondering why part of Zoutkamp was under "camouflage" in Google Earth... according to Bing "It is the site of a ground station of the Dutch Nationale SIGINT Organisatie (National Signals Intelligence Service)" ... :ascared
Go figure, BVM does traditional Dutch activities in a traditional Dutch town, which just happens to have GIANT satellite dishes in it's back yard. :funny: Wonder how the editors are going to try and hide them.. :res:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Slowhatch on October 28, 2009, 07:43:51 PM
Not so much because of the military but because of the locals. The base shut down in Jan 2008 and is for sale (video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZQuhFZb2to); unblurred aerial here (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.342293&lon=6.302197&z=17.4&r=0&src=msl)). The translation of the RTVNoord comments on the video:
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SALT CAMP - The radio station of the Ministry of Defense in Salt Camp is for sale.
For many years held the mysterious house with two satellite dishes in the minds Zoutkamp busy. Neighbors feared attacks and they were afraid they were bugged. Partly because of the resistance in the village of Defense decided to post move to the Frisian Burum.
The radio station is sold by tender.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 28, 2009, 07:54:40 PM
I want to see Phil do a standup in his long white underwear oh please TAR Gods :fan:
So can we get them to Groningen in time for late afternoon shots at the bell tower on the 29th??
I have to admit, we have to find a way to do this! :duno:
Chateau:
You already know the answer to this. There is no reason for teams to wait around for 6 to 9 hours so they can all take your proposed flight to Hamburg. Take another look at the flights indicated by me in posts #90 and #104 on this thread. Getting to Groningen by 5pm is possible even for the last-place Flight Time and Big Easy.
I believe you have gotten to your position as a result of the Steffie Sunrise information. If you ignore that, then what do you conclude?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 29, 2009, 09:50:04 AM
So can we get them to Groningen in time for late afternoon shots at the bell tower on the 29th??
I have to admit, we have to find a way to do this! :duno:
Chateau:
You already know the answer to this. There is no reason for teams to wait around for 6 to 9 hours so they can all take your proposed flight to Hamburg. Take another look at the flights indicated by me in posts #90 and #104 on this thread. Getting to Groningen by 5pm is possible even for the last-place Flight Time and Big Easy.
I believe you have gotten to your position as a result of the Steffie Sunrise information. If you ignore that, then what do you conclude?
From your # 90: This flight time is incorrect: (KL428 left at 12:13 am) Cheyne/Meghan can make the nonstop KL428 DXB AMS 0140 0600
And teams won't be released soon enough to do this: (OS840 left at 1:44 am)
Maria/Tiffany, Sam/Dan, Brian/Ericka and Gary/Matt will just miss the Swiss connection through Zurich and they will get OS840 DXB VIE 0240 0605 connecting in Vienna to OS371 0720 0915.
And this flight does not exist:
That leaves in deep trouble Nate/Herb, who can do no better than waiting for the nonstop KL430 DXB AMS 0800 1220.
That's all you put in your post #90. Amounts to nothing usable.
Now for your post #104
Teams won't be released soon enough to do this:
LH631 DXB FRA 0125 0555 LH340 FRA BRE 0700 0755 and those flights were pretty much on-time Wednesday July 29.
Your Istanbul set would be a possibility in terms of a 12 hour release time but remains inconsistent with Steffie Sunrise encountering a M/F couple. Her comments were:
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We were checking out and this American couple came in with tv cameras. They wanted to borrow Joe's mobile to call the airport.about 1 hour ago from web
they said they were doing a travel documentary but mum thinks it might be that Amazing Race show. we were to excited about 1 hour ago from web
they promised us free skydiving lessons in America if they could use our mobile. they teach skydiving. And Later on: we were in Dubi. they were sorta old but not 2 old. The wife was really nice, made me laugh. i didn't talk 2 the husband he was on mobile
So who could that have been that she saw? Most likely it was Cheyne & Meghan, second most likey it was Ericka & Brian. Either way, no team will be released early enough to catch the Istanbul flight since the release time is going to be after 4 am by a wide margin.
There is an initial flight SQ490 to Istanbul 0410 0740. In Istanbul is the choice of 3 paths, two through CDG; the one I like best is through FRA, LH2085 0825 1035 connecting in Frankfurt with LH344 1320 1415 arriving 10 minutes late on July 29.
So none of your post #104 flights are usable either.
We need to find the flights that teams could catch after 7 am and get them to AMS by 2 to 5 pm.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: River on October 29, 2009, 05:28:59 PM
Just thought I would say, that this image looks like the morning to me... :duno:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 29, 2009, 06:03:50 PM
I totally think it will be a funny Pitstop time too Chateau...but if it IS a 12 hour one then C/M should be released at 1215AM. I don't think that will happen because it will put them too far ahead...but we aren't sure of that, right??
So why the 4AM? ???
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: River on October 29, 2009, 06:08:32 PM
I totally think it will be a funny Pitstop time too Chateau...but if it IS a 12 hour one then C/M should be released at 1215AM. I don't think that will happen because it will put them too far ahead...but we aren't sure of that, right??
So why the 4AM? ???
Haven't a lot of the legs this season had irregular pit stop times?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 29, 2009, 06:13:32 PM
Yes, both this season and last have had more often irregular than not...
but the question is not why an irregular time but why 4AM? in particular I mean. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 29, 2009, 08:14:09 PM
Cheyne right?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 29, 2009, 08:14:46 PM
Dan is built bigger
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 29, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
plus I don't think Dan is wearing underwear :yess: :yess: :yess: :yess: :yess: :yess:
... I mean :carryon:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: mswood on October 29, 2009, 08:27:12 PM
I totally think it will be a funny Pitstop time too Chateau...but if it IS a 12 hour one then C/M should be released at 1215AM. I don't think that will happen because it will put them too far ahead...but we aren't sure of that, right??
So why the 4AM? ???
I guess I'm not sure of it but why would C&M be hanging out in a hotel lobby five hours after their release?
4 am? No particular reason. Just that either C&M or E&B are at Steffie's hotel before 7:51 am on the 29th. The amount before 7:51 am would be whatever length of time it takes a teenager to post news on Twitter while her family is checking out of their hotel and riding to the airport. The "4 am " is a lower bound of my guess. It could be even later.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: ImANewUser on October 29, 2009, 09:53:42 PM
What's the name of the hotel? I don't know, just putting it out there, but maybe the hotel is near the airport? Or maybe they're planning to do something like what Flo/Zach did during the finale (exchange tickets).
And :funny: at the reactions in this thread.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Hooky on October 30, 2009, 01:21:37 AM
I would prefer to see the nakedness blotted out, personally. Not a big fan of porn on television. :res:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: gator27 on October 30, 2009, 06:09:55 AM
Looking at the watches on left hand, one has a gold band (Cheyne) and one has a black band (Dan). An above the belt perspective.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2009, 06:13:03 AM
Back to the Roadblock question.
I keep coming back to the fact that Dutch said that the racers went here after the bicycles but before moving on to the Dance/Golf tasks... http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,20966.msg484730.html#msg484730
So what is here??
It appears to be the end of the quay...lots of boats, lots of water...
Given that Dutch says they stayed here a long time, I want us to look at this as a possible RB site.
I keep coming back to the fact that Dutch said that the racers went here after the bicycles but before moving on to the Dance/Golf tasks...
Given the confessional pictures of racers in tradition Dutch clothing and pictures of racers wearing the Dutch clothing, I was assuming the bicycle task got the racers to the Pit Stop.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Coutzy on October 30, 2009, 08:34:25 AM
I keep coming back to the fact that Dutch said that the racers went here after the bicycles but before moving on to the Dance/Golf tasks...
Given the confessional pictures of racers in tradition Dutch clothing and pictures of racers wearing the Dutch clothing, I was assuming the bicycle task got the racers to the Pit Stop.
Not necessarily, it may just mean that they didn't have to get changed after the tasks. Think about it, if you had the choice of going straight to the Pit Stop or stopping to change clothes first (Belief of already last and NEL penalties notwithstanding) you'd probably go straight there instead of switching outfits.
Then again WRP might just have told them they need to wear those clothes for continuity's sake.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2009, 09:49:01 AM
I keep coming back to the fact that Dutch said that the racers went here after the bicycles but before moving on to the Dance/Golf tasks... http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,20966.msg484730.html#msg484730
So what is here??
It appears to be the end of the quay...lots of boats, lots of water...
Given that Dutch says they stayed here a long time, I want us to look at this as a possible RB site.
What could the task be??
I'll go out on a limb :funny: and propose that it could be on or in a boat...or better yet, on or in the water!! :yess:
I thought maybe it had to do with the strongman thing that might be the roadblock? We could find that building, I know I've seen it in my travels but will I ever find it again? :lol: Could be a water task but then we have 4 tasks? Belltower Windmill to get bikes and clothing Strongman RB? Something to do with water? Detours- dance or golf pitstop I agree they might have to ride their bikes to the pitstop .. or do they swim :lol: ? or is their water of something connected to the golf detour? Do the boys look wet?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Slowhatch on October 30, 2009, 09:55:30 AM
What I see from the RTVNoord video is that teams are riding in costume both into and out of the windmill parking lot. I can spot two teams--Poker and Montana. Montana is riding energetically while Poker seems very casual about it. I get that they would ride out in costume (Tiffany can be seen coming down from the ladies fitting room), but why come back?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2009, 10:05:32 AM
^^^ Thats been bugging me forever Slowhatch, why do the Poker girls come back? was the video pieced together or was it real time? Did they forget something and have to return?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on October 30, 2009, 11:00:04 AM
I keep coming back to the fact that Dutch said that the racers went here after the bicycles but before moving on to the Dance/Golf tasks... http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,20966.msg484730.html#msg484730
So what is here??
It appears to be the end of the quay...lots of boats, lots of water...
Given that Dutch says they stayed here a long time, I want us to look at this as a possible RB site.
What could the task be??
I'll go out on a limb :funny: and propose that it could be on or in a boat...or better yet, on or in the water!! :yess:
:funny: according to the photo below, there sure isn't much to do at the end of the quay... :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2009, 11:21:22 AM
Maybe they have to play the golf thru some water, I think the boys look wet here .. what else would make their underwear droop like that? Water weight? they look clingy. Maybe thats why Cheyne loses his spike in his hair :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on October 30, 2009, 11:25:32 AM
:lol: I'm guessing that the dance task takes place in one of these buildings... probably not the one with the horsey.. :funny:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Coutzy on October 30, 2009, 11:31:20 AM
Maybe they have to play the golf thru some water, I think the boys look wet here .. what else would make their underwear droop like that? Water weight? they look clingy. Maybe thats why Cheyne loses his spike in his hair :lol:
The white tights have gone see-through as well (Obviously) so that would support the water theory.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: littlewop on October 30, 2009, 11:53:46 AM
2 things... could the golfer being speculated as Cheyne, be Gary or Brian? Also, my TAR history retention is not as good as y'alls, but would they have a general task that only 1 team member would do? Ericka seems to be doing it, but not Brian.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on October 30, 2009, 12:00:27 PM
:lol: I'm guessing that the dance task takes place in one of these buildings... probably not the one with the horsey.. :funny:
Actually I think it is the one with a horsey! It matches the shape an orientation needed for the sun shine coming in back windows. I can't see any other building there that works.
Maybe they have to play the golf thru some water, I think the boys look wet here .. what else would make their underwear droop like that? Water weight? they look clingy. Maybe thats why Cheyne loses his spike in his hair :lol:
Additional information* If your ball goes into the water you must retrieve it or take a 20 minute penalty for a new ball.
I think the balls float. They are probably wooden.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2009, 12:52:43 PM
That location is pretty darn close to where Dutch said they went too! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on October 30, 2009, 12:54:19 PM
;D ...now I'm not sayin' this is for sure, or anything... just an observation.. :lol:
found this photo of Farmer Klaas and his "fireworks" barn in Vierhuizen. Must be the style of barns in the area, but note the unique stepped roofline, the arched window, the white facia board at the roofline...etc. etc. ;) My guess is we are looking for a building (barn) similar to this one, possibly in Vierhuizen (location of the windmill). :duno:
here's a translation of the description that went with the photo: Farmer Klaas Beukema solves fireworks on his farm in the Groningen Vierhuizen. Together with his colleague Klaas Heringa he hopes this year to sell 10 tons of fireworks. "This is a quiet period for us so we have space in the barns." Last year ventured Beukema and Heringa step and sold 4 tons of fireworks. The farmers, account for 200 acres of mostly potatoes and sugar beet seed, a bunker built with sprinkler system, which is inspected annually. So they fill a vacuum created by increased regulatory then had to close many sales. "Previously you could buy fireworks in many places, but new rules were North Groningen soon 20 to 30 miles away," says Beukema.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2009, 01:20:34 PM
Dutch's maps show exactly where he heard the dancing was I believe??
Also, the dancers are a ZOUTKAMP group, not from Vierhuizen...so :duno:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: theschnauzers on October 30, 2009, 01:54:28 PM
I zoomed the caps of the Farmer's golf, and the one picture is definitely Cheyne, as his hair appears to be wet, but blond. (He has light blond highlights with his darker blond hair.) And he's wearing blue boxers underneath.
The other would almost certainly be Sam/Dan, and nothing apparent is visible underneath the thin long legged material.
It'll be interesting to see what gets capped when the episode airs.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on October 30, 2009, 03:36:32 PM
Dutch's maps show exactly where he heard the dancing was I believe??
Also, the dancers are a ZOUTKAMP group, not from Vierhuizen...so :duno:
:groan: ummm... all the pictures of that area show an empty field or trees. Perhaps Dutch also saw the racers build and erect the structure they eventually dance in. :colealert: :lol: Look about 100 yards to the east.
So who says the dancers came from anywhere else? :res:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on October 30, 2009, 03:40:21 PM
;D Just a feeling, but the building next to the "ring the bell" task may eventually end up looking like this (http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3DVierHuizen%26b%3D381%26ni%3D20%26ei%3Dutf-8%26pstart%3D1%26fr%3Db2ie7&w=220&h=150&imgurl=www.nieuwmidhuizen.com%2Fpics220%2Ffoto3.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nieuwmidhuizen.com%2Fdtsch%2FbedrijfDtsch.html&size=7k&name=foto3+jpg&p=VierHuizen&oid=27727dd27f4e8a30&fr2=&no=396&tt=410&b=381&ni=20&sigr=11l9esfab&sigi=118nmro06&sigb=130o7dd2n)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: chill_sd on October 30, 2009, 03:46:39 PM
:funny: according to the photo below, there sure isn't much to do at the end of the quay... :lol:
Dutch said they may have had a "brainteaser" there. Perhaps something to do with the statue or monument at the end of the quay?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on October 30, 2009, 03:56:22 PM
I thought the "dancers came from <some Dutch town> " comment said it was someplace other than Zoutkamp. He was talking about how the costumes were of a style associated with that town. He did not like the idea that the other town might steal credit by the recognition of the costumes. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2009, 06:00:47 PM
I thought the "dancers came from <some Dutch town> " comment said it was someplace other than Zoutkamp. He was talking about how the costumes were of a style associated with that town. He did not like the idea that the other town might steal credit by the recognition of the costumes. :duno:
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They wore traditional clothes from Volendam and bycicled to the harbour where they talked to someone on a boat and after that they went on to dance traditionally or they had to do farmers golf a traditional Groninger sport. I'm saying this to make sure that people will know it was not Volendam that was portraited, but our beautiful small vilage groningen. Please make sure people will know this in America.
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There is a dancing group in Zoutkamp. This group dances Volksdansen (Dances for the people (bad translation)). They were told very little, but they knew they had to dance on July the 30th. On Tuesday they heard that there would be camera's on Thursday July the 30th.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Slowhatch on October 30, 2009, 06:27:13 PM
I think the Volendam (http://www.thehollandring.com/nlmap/noordholland.htm) klederdracht is what most of us might think of as stereotypical Dutch costume. Here's another person (http://molen.startpagina.nl/prikbord/9540069/9541956/re-amerikaanse-filmploeg-met-veel-poeha-in-vierhuizen#msg-9541956) perturbed about production choices (translated from Dutch):
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Nice movie, but I just can not, in Volendam costume Groningen territory! Then the Americans think that way throughout "The Dutch" is. Why is the folk dance group "Grunneger Daansers" from Zandeweer not there to ask? They wear beautiful costumes Groningen.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2009, 07:26:58 PM
They went to the church as well (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/1910222)or "kerk" , behind the museum..
An article (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://rtvnoord.nl/nieuws/indexwm.asp%3Factie%3Dtotaalbericht%26reacties%3Dja%26pid%3D83698&ei=in52SuT1NaqmtgeWiNWWCQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DVierhuizen%2Bamazing%2Brace%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on October 30, 2009, 08:16:26 PM
An article (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://rtvnoord.nl/nieuws/indexwm.asp%3Factie%3Dtotaalbericht%26reacties%3Dja%26pid%3D83698&ei=in52SuT1NaqmtgeWiNWWCQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DVierhuizen%2Bamazing%2Brace%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN)
thats possible... if you watch the TV station video, you can see the bikers taking the red path around the big curve, They would have to make a hairpin turn after going to the kerk (green path), to get back to the curve. 6 of 1, half dozen of another. :lol: the results the same.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2009, 08:35:05 PM
Dutch's maps show exactly where he heard the dancing was I believe??
:groan: ummm... all the pictures of that area show an empty field or trees. Perhaps Dutch also saw the racers build and erect the structure they eventually dance in. :colealert: :lol: Look about 100 yards to the east.
Boingo: this is the picture I was referring to, where Dutch marked both the Farmers Golf and the Dancing for us. While the Golf is an an empty field, I think the dance area is not??
I am no where near as good at GE as you are, but I was wondering if this building where Dutch marked could possibly actually be the dance hall? But I can't get a side view so :duno:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on October 30, 2009, 08:44:33 PM
:groan: ... it's deja vu all over again... check out post #182 again, peach. All will be revealed. Dutch's dance "blob" is pointing to a open field. Post #182 answers everything. Let's move on...please. :waves:
Sorry to be off topic, look what you get (see pix below) when you Google Images with the keywords "vierhuizen museum". :funny: :lol: .....it's speading like a virus, I tell you.... :funny:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2009, 09:42:17 PM
Belltower Windmill to get bikes and clothing Strongman RB? Something to do with water? Detours- dance or golf pitstop I agree they might have to ride their bikes to the pitstop .. or do they swim :lol: ? or is their water of something connected to the golf detour? Do the boys look wet?
How about the dancing in a building at the bottom of the wind mill?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: gator27 on October 31, 2009, 02:13:37 PM
I keep coming back to the fact that Dutch said that the racers went here after the bicycles but before moving on to the Dance/Golf tasks... http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,20966.msg484730.html#msg484730
So what is here??
It appears to be the end of the quay...lots of boats, lots of water...
Given that Dutch says they stayed here a long time, I want us to look at this as a possible RB site.
How about the dancing in a building at the bottom of the wind mill?
No, the dance hall has been found by Boingo :jumpy: and is posted upstream, it is in the area Dutch pinpointed for us .
And that strongman building may be a typical farmhouse architecture (backside)....so could be anywhere between Vierhuizen and Zoutkamp. Remember that Dutch was there at the harbor, he might have known if there was a task that could have been seen there. I wonder about something near the windmill for that though...maybe that is why Maria and Tiffany come back?? or perhaps at the campground itself. Still not clear in my mind what sort of task it is though.
RB could of course be possible but seems a wimpy task for a RB.....and I do really believe that something IN or ON the water will be involved somehow for the RB.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: littlewop on October 31, 2009, 04:32:17 PM
A couple of things that I have been trying to piece together from previous posts here... I know earlier posts were discussing the possibility of the teams getting there in the early evening and doing the Bell tower first, then the next morning doind the bikes & detours. I would assume that would mean a 24 hour pit stop? Would that work in regards to the spoiler from the girl (Steffi?) in Dubai? Have we totally ruled out the Bell tower as the roadblock? We see Ericka doing it, but not Brian, so could this possibly be the roadblock? Has it been totally ruled out that the comp at the end of the quay isn't the strongman comp? Thanks, just trying to get it all sorted out in my head.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on October 31, 2009, 05:16:34 PM
littlewop,
Peach's inside information has already settled the question of the pit stop legnth. It is a 36 hour pit stop in the Netherlands before flying to Stockholm.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 31, 2009, 05:23:53 PM
I'd also like to know if the teams arrived on the 23th or 30th, if the bell tower comes first, is a general task to get route info or departure times the next morning? Why does it appear Brian is not helping Ericka, rather hes comforting her. We know at the mill there is a cluebox and this is where the teams get their clothing and bikes Bike to the strongman? is that the roadblock? we see Maria (her turn) and Herb (his turn) doing this task. It can't be at the end of the quay, theres nothing there. Then we know the detours are golf == Cheyne/ assumes Meghan & Dan/Sam Dance, Herb/Nate and maybe Gary/Matt as we see them in the dutch clothing in their pitstop confessional.
If there is something with water does it have something to do with the golf detour? go to the end of the quay and get to the other side of the harbor to golf?
Again this is the end of the quay
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: littlewop on October 31, 2009, 06:18:23 PM
Peach's inside information has already settled the question of the pit stop legnth. It is a 36 hour pit stop in the Netherlands before flying to Stockholm.
I was referring to the Dubai pitstop. Some have speculated that they arrive at night, do the bell tower, then the bikes the next day. If Meg/Chey are realeased at 12 hours, they should arrive in the morning. If they don't arrive until late afternoon, early evening, it would most likely be a 24 hour pitstop.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 31, 2009, 06:47:03 PM
Best picture I have seen of that puddin!! :hearts:
Littlewop, my best guess is that Dubai 2 is a non-standard pitstop, perhaps 16-18 hours?? But that is a guess. TPTB don't hold to a 12 hour one much anymore.
And nothing is confirmed as to what exactly the Bell Tower is...again, a guess is that this is a spot a something (gnome??) for best AM departure time to Vierhuizen/Zoutkamp.
And the task at the quay is spec also. Dutch tells us they "were there for a while". There is nothing much there BUT water and boats, Dan/Sam are wet...ergo>>possible task in the water.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 31, 2009, 07:01:16 PM
Okay...I sent this picture to Dutch earlier. He agreed with the possible farmhouse/barn idea, which Boingo proposed here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,20966.msg488805.html#msg488805 which fits with my limited but firsthand Dutch farmhouse knowledge :funny:
Just heard back again, he has apparently shown the pic to friends and
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someone I know thinks it is at de Rousant.
Since we know that is where the dance is....Idea only...if this is listed as a Braderie (fair), then maybe dance is only a part of the task? Dance+strongman+/- something else?? Maybe the team member dressed as the man (Maria) does the Strongman thing and the one dressed as a woman does _____. :duno: Really, have no idea where/how this fits in.
It would be wonderful if we could match the back of the dance hall or the main rousant building with this...but I can't find anything conclusive and I spent a whole day looking. If anybody wants to help look...try de rousant camping or winery, or camping Zoutkamp and go from there.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 31, 2009, 07:17:49 PM
This is Boingo's pic of the dance hall location, which seems to be at the De Rousant address. There are several buildings which could fit the angled roofline there (both front or back sides), even if we can't see the white soffit thing from this angle.
Just a possibility, others can analyze the photos far better than I can!!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Slowhatch on October 31, 2009, 07:19:26 PM
It makes sense to keep the Braderie close to the Boerengolf in case teams want to switch. As far as the starting times go, why not hand them out at the church (kerk)? Production has done it before.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 31, 2009, 07:21:51 PM
Church is good too! :hearts: But then what was Ericka doing up the BellTower in Groningen?? ???
Gosh, we have a wealth of tasks this time!! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 31, 2009, 07:50:21 PM
From Slowhatch's link (http://www.rousant.nl/CAMPING/mededelingen.html), so thats what these are? :groan:
De Rousant:
Sanitary facilities are widely scattered over the grounds!
What would you say of the two life-size zeeboeien, Which is part of the ever Marshall, the Netherlands in 1947 helped to his feet.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Slowhatch on October 31, 2009, 07:58:57 PM
Yes, you've got it. :jam: Click on the panoview and go to campground 4. It's a sandbar between two of those rocket-ship toilets.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 31, 2009, 08:16:24 PM
From this link (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoutkamp&ei=r-DsSrWiONTtlAews9j_BA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBQQ7gEwAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMonument%2Bzoutkamp%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4DKUS_enUS306US306) , which links to us!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on October 31, 2009, 08:42:41 PM
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on October 31, 2009, 09:37:05 PM
:badhorse:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: littlewop on October 31, 2009, 10:03:05 PM
I just have to say, I am in awe of your detective abilities folks. I can barely find my street on Google map, and y'all can search out specific buildings across the globe. My hats off to you!
:jam:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: walkingpneumonia on November 01, 2009, 12:50:40 AM
From Slowhatch's link (http://www.rousant.nl/CAMPING/mededelingen.html), so thats what these are? :groan:
De Rousant:
Sanitary facilities are widely scattered over the grounds!
What would you say of the two life-size zeeboeien, Which is part of the ever Marshall, the Netherlands in 1947 helped to his feet.
They were built as part of the Marshall plan? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan Your tax dollars at work...
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 01:07:40 AM
I compiled the videos into 1 .. Note the sports promo has a scene from last weeks Dubai .... :meow:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: gator27 on November 01, 2009, 07:21:22 AM
We have so much information, yet we will still have surprises when we watch tonight's episode.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Cocoa on November 01, 2009, 08:24:48 AM
**MAY/MAY NOT BE RELATED QUESTION:**
About TAR 15 Leg 7: I just learned that there is a sort of "time-change" there, and Im sure time here will be changed too, since we are "live via satellite". What time does it start there?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Lucybell on November 01, 2009, 09:23:33 AM
So, after reading all the spoilers, speculations and seeing the pictures, not to mention what my gut is telling me...
The Bell Tower is done at dawn not twilight (gut instinct). It is a roadblock. Brian and Erika get behind and stay behind. In a general task, they go to the windmill, put on costumes, ride their bikes to the strong man task where they take turns until their team beats the strongman to receive their next clue. DETOUR clue that is. The detour is Dancing or Golfing and once done, pitstop is at a campground? It's a non-elimination leg and Brian and Erika are most likely last to the pitstop. Based on pictures & video, Trotters and Gary & Matt do the dancing task, Sam & dan, Meg & Cheyne do the golfing task. I have a feeling Tiff and Mare will also dance, Brian and Erika? Hummmm After the day Erika is having, it's anyone's guess. LOL
I may or may not be right. Guess we will find out tonight!
Good Job detectives! :hearts:
Lucybell
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: littlewop on November 01, 2009, 10:49:23 AM
I know there is still a lot of speculation on whether the Bell tower or whatever takes place at the quay is the RB. I still say it is the Bell tower for 2 reasons. First, we only see Ericka doing the Bell tower. Second, if the quay is the RB, why are BOTH Sam/Dan wet? If it was the RB, wouldn't only one of them be wet? Just saying......
:duno:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:58:09 AM
I know there is still a lot of speculation on whether the Bell tower or whatever takes place at the quay is the RB. I still say it is the Bell tower for 2 reasons. First, we only see Ericka doing the Bell tower. Second, if the quay is the RB, why are BOTH Sam/Dan wet? If it was the RB, wouldn't only one of them be wet? Just saying......
:duno:
The Bell tower is not in Zoutkamp at the quay its in Groningen (http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=17917260212250353009&q=groningen+martini+tower&hl=en&cd=1&cad=src:pplink&ei=Ib3tSp_3HY6IygSR0_TPCQ), they probably drive to the windmill as we see the cars in the lot. We don't know what they do at the quay if anything? Dan/Sam might be wet from the marsh at the golf/detour as pointed out by Chateau a few pages back.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on November 01, 2009, 11:14:28 AM
About TAR 15 Leg 7: I just learned that there is a sort of "time-change" there, and Im sure time here will be changed too, since we are "live via satellite". What time does it start there?
uycocoa, the entire United States except for the state fo Arizona went back to Standard Time at 3am this morning by setting the clocks back one hour (Arizona is on Mountain Standard time year-round).
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Hooky on November 01, 2009, 11:31:36 AM
I know there is still a lot of speculation on whether the Bell tower or whatever takes place at the quay is the RB. I still say it is the Bell tower for 2 reasons. First, we only see Ericka doing the Bell tower. Second, if the quay is the RB, why are BOTH Sam/Dan wet? If it was the RB, wouldn't only one of them be wet? Just saying......
:duno:
The Bell tower is not in Zoutkamp at the quay its in Groningen (http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=17917260212250353009&q=groningen+martini+tower&hl=en&cd=1&cad=src:pplink&ei=Ib3tSp_3HY6IygSR0_TPCQ), they probably drive to the windmill as we see the cars in the lot. We don't know what they do at the quay if anything? Dan/Sam might be wet from the marsh at the golf/detour as pointed out by Chateau a few pages back.
I think the quay is just a difficult/ambiguous clue that the teams have to figure out. I don't think it's a Roadblock. Or it could be a general task.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 11:32:02 AM
About TAR 15 Leg 7: I just learned that there is a sort of "time-change" there, and Im sure time here will be changed too, since we are "live via satellite". What time does it start there?
Studio 23 schedule (http://www.studio23.tv/tabid/56/Default.aspx) 08:00 am The Amazing Race 15 << whats your time changed to?
- Current Time in Singapore 1:31am Monday (SGT)
- My current time 12:31 pm Eastern
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: littlewop on November 01, 2009, 12:00:47 PM
[/quote] The Bell tower is not in Zoutkamp at the quay its in Groningen (http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=17917260212250353009&q=groningen+martini+tower&hl=en&cd=1&cad=src:pplink&ei=Ib3tSp_3HY6IygSR0_TPCQ), they probably drive to the windmill as we see the cars in the lot. We don't know what they do at the quay if anything? Dan/Sam might be wet from the marsh at the golf/detour as pointed out by Chateau a few pages back. [/quote]
No, I realized that. I meant either the Bell Tower OR whatever happens at quay were possible RB locations. I was just stating that out of those 2 choices my money is on the Bell Tower, and that the quay seemed like a task both team members would do.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on November 01, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
Here are the flights that teams may be taking from Dubai to the Netherlands. The criteria I used to sort through the possibilities was that the flight had to end in Amsterdam based on Dutch's comment about teams driving from there. The timing constraints are based on having the leading team Cheyne & Meghan cross paths with Steffie Sunrise in the lobby of her hotel as her family was checking out. Her Twitter post at 7:51 am gives an upper bound on the leading team's release time. It also suggests that the leading team was released after 6 am. So the take off time from Dubai that I used as a selection criteria was 8:00 am or later. At the other end, we have Brian & Ericka at the bell tower with lots of late afternoon sunlight. Since sunset on July 29th was at 9:34 pm and the light on E&B is in the 6 pm to 8 pm time frame I used 8 pm as the Groningen arrival time upper bound. Also, the driving time from AMS to Groningen is about 1 hour 50 min. So I allowed for flights arriving at AMS up to 6:00 pm.
EK 15 DBX LGW 8:00 am 12:25 pm U2 8875 LGW AMS 1:35 pm 3:50 pm EK 17 DBX MAN 7:55 am 12:25 pm WA 1084 MAN AMS 1:35 pm 4:05 pm EK 59 DBX HAM 9:00 am 1:45 pm WA 1782 HAM AMS 3:15 pm 4:25 pm EK 87 DBXC ZRH 8:40 am 1:20 pm WA 1960 ZRH AMS 2:50 pm 4:30 pm EK 73 DBX CDG 8:20 am 1:30 pm AF 2040 CDG AMS 3:25 pm 4:40 pm EK 49 DBX MUC 8:35 am 1:00 pm CL 4698 3:15 pm 4:45 pm EK 45 DBX FRA 8:25 am 1:15 pm KL 1768 FRA AMS 3:45 pm 5:00 pm (cancelled) EK 93 DBX MPX 9:05 am 1:45 pm KL 1626 MPX AMS 3:30 pm 5:25 pm EK 15 DBX LGW 8:00 am 12:25 pm BA 8117 LGW AMS 3:20 pm 5:30 pm EK 45 DBX FRA 8:25 am 1:15 pm LH 4680 FRA AMS 4:40 pm 5:45 pm
The flight through Hamburg has always been my favorite even though it is not the earliest because it left at 9 am making it more likely to be bookable than the flights closer to 8 am.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on November 01, 2009, 01:40:10 PM
Heee!! Thanks so much!
I was just coming from flightstats myself with the almost same list...hope we do get to see what they took this time! :yess:
The upshot is that there are so many flights it will be very doable for teams to get either to Hamburg or AMS in plenty of time to be seen at the BellTower in the late afternoon on July 29th.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on November 01, 2009, 01:55:59 PM
I couldn't wait any longer ;)
I hope they show a team talking about skydiving lessons :funny:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on November 01, 2009, 03:51:17 PM
I was just coming from flightstats myself with the almost same list...hope we do get to see what they took this time! :yess:
The upshot is that there are so many flights it will be very doable for teams to get either to Hamburg or AMS in plenty of time to be seen at the BellTower in the late afternoon on July 29th.
Now why don't I see a single flight into Bremen on that list? It is much more probable than Hamburg as the alternate to Amsterdam. And Peach you yourself sepfically sent reminders aboutit. However, as you know if you read my posts I believe the departure from Dubai will be much earlier and teams will be on different flights depending on their arrival time at Dubai airport.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 09:25:12 PM
Everyone was so sure from the press release that this was a NEL
too bad no one thought to check Bonnie Hunt :colors
"The Amazing Race" Eliminated Team: The race is heating up! The couples are being eliminated one by one, and Bonnie will have the latest one here to share all the stuff you didn't see on screen!
After all of the work...here it is?? Teams were TOLD to fly to AMS
More than that...were they told to fly nonstop to funnel them onto the midnight flight? There has to be a quicker way to get to AMS.
There were multiple flights all day to London...and flights from there every 2 hours or so to AMS. I do that route often...mutiple carriers including several cheapo carriers not listed (I have flown for $1.99 :lol: ) Easily could have made it much earlier. I am wondering if they were told that flight in particular?? Let me go pull the list...there were def other flights sooner.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:05:53 PM
orangeboom bier
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on November 01, 2009, 10:14:15 PM
After all of the work...here it is?? Teams were TOLD to fly to AMS
More than that...were they told to fly nonstop to funnel them onto the midnight flight? There has to be a quicker way to get to AMS.
There were multiple flights all day to London...and flights from there every 2 hours or so to AMS. I do that route often...mutiple carriers including several cheapo carriers not listed (I have flown for $1.99 :lol: ) Easily could have made it much earlier. I am wondering if they were told that flight in particular?? Let me go pull the list...there were def other flights sooner.
Hmmmm...okay. Most of the flights to London were earlier.
Here a couple of possibilities...Meghan and Cheyne could maybe have causght the first if they hustled...otherwise not much else.
FRA Frankfurt 3V 9971 TNT Airways 6:55 PM 6:25 PM ~ Unknown 74Y FRA Frankfurt EK 9971^ Emirates 6:55 PM 6:25 PM ~ Unknown 74Y
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:14:16 PM
phil says that they must bike thru town to the pitstop .. the quay :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on November 01, 2009, 10:15:35 PM
:yess: ZOUTKAMP for Dutch!! :hearts:
Thanks for all the pretty pics puddin, they are great!! :jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:16:36 PM
matt and gary before they switched
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:18:19 PM
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:37:36 PM
Brian and Erika forgetting the bikes :groan: :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:40:09 PM
dance and bij luchtalarm poster fwiw
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:41:46 PM
Hey The Netherlands! How DO you like us now!? :funny:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:43:10 PM
..........
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:44:01 PM
I missed it the first time, Brian did ask for the de Rousant camp
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:50:59 PM
Brian and Ericka borrow bikes :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:54:21 PM
:'(
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 10:58:12 PM
:(
Rock on Maria and Tiffany! :jam:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on November 01, 2009, 11:07:55 PM
This is Not My Finest Hour either. :groan:
Sorry about botching the time of day for Brian & Erica at the Bell Tower. :(
I'll rewatch to see what fooled me.
Did somebody here predict the counting of the bells? I thought someone said something about 62 bells.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on November 01, 2009, 11:09:40 PM
Oh well...just think of all the fun that gave us looking for flights. :funny:
Love you anyway!! :kissy:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 11:39:15 PM
yeah you rock Chateau, and some I think were reading too much into what Dutch wrote not that I'm not grateful for all he did for us :jam:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2009, 11:47:05 PM
Just goes to show, if you weren't there yourself you can't read to much into what people think they witnessed or take it as gospel. Remember season 10 when someone posted a ticket and said he was on flight with the final 3 teams and we all know that wasn't so, Lyn & Karlyn were not on that flight with Rob/Kim and Tyler/James. Thats just one for instance.
I've heard sources say that they heard (near the place where it happened) that the contestants came from the airport straight from Dubai.
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There is a dancing group in Zoutkamp. This group dances Volksdansen (Dances for the people (bad translation)). They were told very little, but they knew they had to dance on July the 30th. On Tuesday they heard that there would be camera's on Thursday July the 30th.
On July the 29 I walked through our harbor with my dog and saw people drinking coffee who normally wouldn't be there. Since I heard about the camera's I've deducted that they could be the cameramen I've heard people talk about. There were a lot of busses that were rented in Amsterdam, because they had 020- telephone numbers (this makes the schiphol route plausible). This triggered my interest, so I decided to return to the harbor the next morning. When I left my house there was a helicopter flying above the village. .......
I decided to see what would happen and made me a pot of coffee and chose a nice spot to sit and watch what would happen. There was a camera on a pole which filmed everything that happened.
Then I've heard other people say things about the spectacle and I've deducted that they probably took this route on bicycle (the road that seems to go straight to Zoutkamp is a dyke):
About TAR 15 Leg 7: I just learned that there is a sort of "time-change" there, and Im sure time here will be changed too, since we are "live via satellite". What time does it start there?
Studio 23 schedule (http://www.studio23.tv/tabid/56/Default.aspx) 08:00 am The Amazing Race 15 << whats your time changed to?
- Current Time in Singapore 1:31am Monday (SGT)
- My current time 12:31 pm Eastern
TAR here was shown at 9 AM. I see, we are now 13 hours ahead.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on November 02, 2009, 06:48:45 AM
This is a strange episode for backtracking on the airline flights. The first thing to establish is what the pit stop duration was. That is quite hard to estimate. I am starting with the projected checkin times from my guesstimation of them early this past week. To that I have to add a fudge factor to each one to get a uniform result. Those fudge factors are:
Cheyne/Meghan (this one from 1213pm, not my own estimate of 1102) 25 hours 0 minutes Maria/Tiffany from 137pm 25 hours 32 minutes Sam/Dan from 139pm 25 hours 31 minutes Brian/Ericka from 144pm 25 hours 36 minutes Gary/Matt from 145pm 25 hours 49 minutes Nate/Herb from 420pm 25 hours 48 minutes
So, I conclude that uniform result is a 25 hour pit stop. If it were 24 hours, the fudge factors would be too high, indicating that an hour to an hour 48 minutes has to be added to my original estimates. If it were 26 hours, then the fudge factor for all would negative, which is highly unlikely since my original guesstimes were conservative.
What can I next conclude? I cannot understand how Meghan/Cheyne would miss a connecting flights to Amsterdam that weas well after 113pm (to allow them to get to the airport and book it) and on or before 305pm:
EK121 DXB IST 1500 1755, connecting Istanbul with TK1955 IST AMS 2007 2251
Note that none of the other 5 teams have a chance at this flight. So, how did WRP force all teams onto the same flight for Bunching? I don't know, but I have three hypotheses:
1. That the clue specified the use of KLM airline 2. that the clue specified use of only a nonstop flight, which is equivalent to specifying KLM as they have the only ones 3. unlinkely, but maybe this flight combination was full for July 30, forcing Cheyne/Meghan to get the next best arrival time, KL428 on July 31.
There were several flights before a huge 6 3/4 hour gap in connections to reach Amsterdam (Dubai from 550pm to 1040pm).
There were several flights that connected through Bahrain leaving Dubai at 2pm through 1145pm but they all arrive AMS at 610am, well after KL428.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: apskip on November 02, 2009, 07:57:26 AM
The Netherlands part of episode 7 started with a drive from Schiphol Airprot north and a little east. The MONUMENT shown was on a causeway. I have determined (not from the obvious looking at a map but through matching the monument on Internet articles) that the causeway is the Afsluitdijk, the road is the A7, and the E2 circle is close to where the Afsluitdijk Monument is. The North sea is on the left and the IJsselmeer is on the right of the causeway. Here is a map showing where it is with respect to Groningen, which is at the far right:
The inside of the monument is rather different than the exterior. Here is a photo of part of it:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on November 02, 2009, 09:51:49 AM
:lol: you can run, but you cannot hide... :funny: OK, buildings can't actually run... but you get my drift... THIS is the dance hall! (just a little more east of where we all thought it was. closer to the camping toilets). I guess Bing is good for something...it has higher resolution maps than Google... :groan: this building is massive enough, and it has the little side building hiding in the woods
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Boingo on November 02, 2009, 10:33:26 AM
:lol: wow, I'm really starting to like Bing Maps... FWIW, here's a clearer view of the Vierhuizen locations.. the resolution really leaves Google Earth in the dust... :funny:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 02, 2009, 10:35:13 AM
I like bing Boingo << hee it rhymes :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Ruth on November 02, 2009, 11:20:12 AM
I must say, this was one exciting leg, when it came down to Brian and Ericka and Maria and Tiffany at the end. I honestly thought from the beginning that Brian and Ericka would be last on an NEL, but who was to know that Maria and Tiffany would have been eliminated. :(
Sam and Dan - Great work this leg! But I didn't catch the part about them revealing that they're gay, hmm. Perhaps it wasn't the most strategic move for Sam to whisper the answer of the number of bells, but it was nice of him to do so anyway. Too bad the girls were eliminated in the end.
Meghan and Cheyne - Another strong finish despite them struggling at the Detour! I thought that another team would have caught up, but they still did so well.
Flight Time and Big Easy - It was great time redeemed, from last place to third. It was hilarious, them doing the Detour, lol.
Gary and Matt - Nice first place finish at the Roadblock! I'm really liking this team now, father and son are so sweet and are working so well with each other. This race has indeed brought them so close together. =)
Brian and Ericka - WOW at their luck, seriously. I honestly thought that they'd be last! This was definitely not their finest leg, but I was rather moved when Brian showed so much support to Ericka at the Roadblock. He was so patient, telling her not to give up, encouraging her all the way. I just went "awwww" when he welcomed Ericka with a hug at the bottom of the tower. I really love this team, but I hope that Ericka could take a chill pill.
Maria and Tiffany - Anyone with me that this Detour wasn't very fair? And I wonder what on earth was Maria doing at the Dance Detour, couldn't she hit that thing properly? It hurts to see them go out this way. Both Detours were really tough and kinda required physical strength, which was a disadvantage to them. But I'm just so proud of them, how they tried to the very end and never gave up. Please bring them back for All-Stars! This female team ROCKS!
Five teams remain... Here's just a random guess as to how the final outcome of the race will be.
1. Brian and Ericka 2. Meghan and Cheyne 3. Sam and Dan 4. Gary and Matt 5. Flight Time and Big Easy
Just a guess!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Strawberry Kiwi on November 02, 2009, 12:54:24 PM
CBS should have an ALL STARS with all girl-girl teams and bring back Maria and Tiffany. Then the challenges would be fair for them! :tup: :yess: :jam:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Caelestor on November 02, 2009, 01:28:46 PM
I definitely did not see this ending coming. CBS actually tricked me (intentional or not).
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: theschnauzers on November 02, 2009, 03:00:38 PM
Maria's statement in her blog clarifies the way the ending of last night's episode was edited.
It sounds as if we'll be told officially that they were eliminated as a result of the 24-hour penalty in the next leg, because that's the only way the press release for the next episode can be reconciled with what we saw last night. It also suggests to me that the next leg may be completed before M/T would have left the pit stop, which would explain the odd editing last night where M/R tell Phil they want to quit the task and the Race, and Phil was not actually shown telling them they were eliminated. This becomes only the second time that the 24-hour penalty has been assessed, as far as I know. While I was suspecting the 24 hour penalty might have been involved, the confusion about which leg was a NEL, and how that works with this sort of penalty, was there and I wasn't sure how this was supposed to play out.
This also clarifies the Elimination Station clip. I now take that to mean that M/T did travel to Sweden with production, and that now fits in with M/T acting as decoys in Tallin.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: River on November 02, 2009, 06:07:12 PM
Great episode, so sad that M/T made it this far, and they did great last night up until the detour, but they didn't give up, and they deserved to go farther! Overall, it was a great episode though! :tup:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Slowhatch on November 02, 2009, 08:54:18 PM
The Martinitoren answer cards are below. From left to right: expo hands, Flight Time, Meghan, Sam and Tiffany. Quiz: find the matching cards.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: puddin on November 02, 2009, 09:09:08 PM
I want to say Flight Time and Tiffany or first and last
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Slowhatch on November 02, 2009, 09:45:30 PM
Yep, first and last (expo hands and Tiffany). There are similarities among the other cards as well...maybe some more matches, maybe not.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: theschnauzers on November 02, 2009, 09:47:21 PM
Maybe the teams had to tell someone what number, and that person wrote the number down for the teams.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on November 02, 2009, 11:14:30 PM
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Note that none of the other 5 teams have a chance at this flight. So, how did WRP force all teams onto the same flight for Bunching? I don't know, but I have three hypotheses:
1. That the clue specified the use of KLM airline 2. that the clue specified use of only a nonstop flight, which is equivalent to specifying KLM as they have the only ones 3. unlinkely, but maybe this flight combination was full for July 30, forcing Cheyne/Meghan to get the next best arrival time, KL428 on July 31.
It was in the audio track. I heard it when Sam & Dan approached to buy tickets. They said something like "We need the next non-stop flight to Amsterdam." And KL 428 is it.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: Chateau d If on November 05, 2009, 12:12:27 AM
So where does Steffie Sunrise fit into this? (:;)
Who could she have encountered at the hotel lobby 6 hours before the first team was released?!? :knuckles:
That has been one the most bizarre bits of spoiler info! Real but faked?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: georgiapeach on November 05, 2009, 08:43:38 AM
Who could she have encountered at the hotel lobby 6 hours before the first team was released?!? :knuckles:
That has been one the most bizarre bits of spoiler info! Real but faked?
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SteffieSunrise we were in Dubi. they were sorta old but not 2 old. The wife was really nice, made me laugh. i didn't talk 2 the husband he was on mobile
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We were checking out and this American couple came in with tv cameras. They wanted to borrow Joe's mobile to call the airport. they said they were doing a travel documentary but mum thinks it might be that Amazing Race show. we were to excited they promised us free skydiving lessons in America if they could use our mobile. they teach skydiving. I want try but I'll be too scared!
posted at 751 on July 29
fwiw:
Her twitter account has been deleted I do believe her to be a real person, I think she just changed accounts due to going back to school She ignored multiple attempts at contacting her Clearly she could not have seen Ericka or Meghan being filmed. I can see Lance doing something like this, but no need for them to 1) be filmed or 2) call for flights, as production has taken over at that point.
My guess? A teeenager who saw/heard that the race was in town and made something up to make it "more" exciting.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP7:"This is Not My Finest Hour" (The Netherlands)
Post by: walkingpneumonia on November 05, 2009, 12:31:10 PM
Who could she have encountered at the hotel lobby 6 hours before the first team was released?!? :knuckles:
That has been one the most bizarre bits of spoiler info! Real but faked?
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SteffieSunrise we were in Dubi. they were sorta old but not 2 old. The wife was really nice, made me laugh. i didn't talk 2 the husband he was on mobile
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We were checking out and this American couple came in with tv cameras. They wanted to borrow Joe's mobile to call the airport. they said they were doing a travel documentary but mum thinks it might be that Amazing Race show. we were to excited they promised us free skydiving lessons in America if they could use our mobile. they teach skydiving. I want try but I'll be too scared!
posted at 751 on July 29
fwiw:
Her twitter account has been deleted I do believe her to be a real person, I think she just changed accounts due to going back to school She ignored multiple attempts at contacting her Clearly she could not have seen Ericka or Meghan being filmed. I can see Lance doing something like this, but no need for them to 1) be filmed or 2) call for flights, as production has taken over at that point.
My guess? A teeenager who saw/heard that the race was in town and made something up to make it "more" exciting.
Possibly part of the Masada conspiracy? Having the teams appear to leave early made Israel more plausible. :duno: