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Title: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 13, 2008, 10:51:28 AM
11/30/2008: You're Gonna Get Me Killed
The teams compete in Moscow on the 10th leg of the race.
BVM: • As for the challenges, Another must-see detour: A by-train-or-by-bus scavenger hunt in Moscow.

Portland contestant sightings here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15372.msg359567.html#msg359567).
unprecedented mistake blurbs here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,16823.0.html).
:bar:
Moscow, Russia   5/12?-13/08

I found some info here  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.msg302201.html#msg302201) for WRP Group/ CBS in Russian:

12.05.2008 Sb “ASPECT” insured the civil liability of the American telecommunication companies CBS Of corporation and WRP Of group. The responsibility of companies is insured to the period of conducting the surveys of tv program in the territory of Russia. Limit of the responsibility of insurer - 1[mln] of US dollars

peach (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.msg302202.html#msg302202) follows up with:
*And I can't exactly say how I know , but I just got confirmation that the race was definitely in Delhi as we suspected, and also was in Moscow!!



Thanks to schwarzmoor, production photo evidence here  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15483.msg303396.html#msg303396)

production slideshow , again thanks to schwarzmoor's find 
 




That's the All-Russia Exhibition Centre...

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1009/870139871_99589a088b.jpg?v=0)

the Red Star Train...

(http://k53.pbase.com/o4/05/621605/1/56632014.135_3551.JPG)

and well, just for the record, Lenin's Mausoleum.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Lenins_Mausoleum.jpg)



I thinks Teams will be sent to
the "House of Bulgakov".  He was a Russian novelist and playwright active in the first half of the 20th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bulgakov).
Website for the museum at the Flat of Bulgakov (http://www.dombulgakova.ru/). 

The website has a matching shot of the door.
(http://www.dombulgakova.ru/images/2579648946d6.jpg)

(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5980/indexor6.th.jpg) (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexor6.jpg)

This is the Moscow Railway Museum (http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/station/Moskva/misc/2008-02-13-0001.jpg)

(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8281/indexcay3nv8xou6.th.jpg) (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexcay3nv8xou6.jpg)
:colors   This is the Alexander Garden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Garden_%28Moscow%29) along the western wall of the Kremlin (Moscow)
(http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5794/indexcabazq8gzr8.th.jpg) (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexcabazq8gzr8.jpg)
:angel:  Been wondering about Matts picture of this woman in Moscow.  Could she be the pitstop greeter (some kind of local celebrity) ???  If not, then she still has good taste in cars.  Pretty sure it's a Lamborghini.     :tup:   probably local production staff, not her car. :'(

Edited to add:   :yess:
    ...more likely it's only the Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 Coupe ---> $313K   :(

eta: picture likely taken at the Porte Couche of the Swissotel Krasny Holmy Moscow

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/262/indexyf6.th.jpg) (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexyf6.jpg)

:jumpy: Got it!  Matt took this picture from the Swissôtel Krasnye Holmy Moscow (http://www.swissotel.com/EN/Destinations/Russia/Swissotel+Krasnye+Holmy/Hotel+Home/Hotel+Description) which just happens to be next to the Moscow International Performance Arts Center   :angel:
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/82/indexan8.th.jpg) (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexan8.jpg)(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3360/18440436lj2.th.jpg) (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18440436lj2.jpg)



:jumpy:  this one was a little tougher to find...  :yess:


Matts "little red church" (aka All Saints Church not far from Red Square).


(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/9186/76080847af7.th.jpg) (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=76080847af7.jpg)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2016/54580443sg1.th.jpg) (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=54580443sg1.jpg)

:wohoo:  Here ya go!

Matt Was Here (Moscow) map

note: Small red All Saints Church is directly across from Cyril & Methodius Monument (push-pin resoultion lost at this scale). Kremlin locations all bunched as "Red Square"   ;)

(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3608/indexcac6tz5wwz8.th.jpg) (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexcac6tz5wwz8.jpg)
:badhorse:    :lol:  only because.....

Matts pix of Bulgakov Museum doorway and similar doorway in same area.
 :yess: Everything you ever wanted to know about the Bulgakov Museum (http://www.masterandmargarita.eu/en/04mappen/bolsjaja.html) in Moscow.

(http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/3171/indexvl5.th.jpg) (http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexvl5.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 13, 2008, 12:49:34 PM
Pitstop! All-Russia Centre (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15372.msg304136.html#msg304136), photo evidence.
Video evidence  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.msg308376.html#msg308376)

(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/th_team.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/team.jpg) Nick and Starr


(click click)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/tn1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/p1010190.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/team.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/team-1.jpg)


Thanks to Robyn, this is a nice shot of Phil at the Moscow/ All-Russia Exhibition Centre pitstop


( click for the larger picture)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/phil2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/dsc06122-2.jpg)


 A peachypuddin production ........., thanks to our friend Robyn :thankyou:

 1st team of 3 teams (witnessed by Robyn and friends) arriving at the Moscow pitstop/ All-Russia Exhibition Centre May 13th  


Thread-jumping from the Contestants Thread... but

Matt showed us the Pit Stop: it's the All-Russia Exhibition Centre (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ebD-3Ec2ThI/Rg1s6uvULDI/AAAAAAAAACc/47Dr6hlPxXI/31_vdnkh.jpg)!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/Vdnkh.jpg/275px-Vdnkh.jpg)
Good Catch Neobie!

Found this pic on Google Earth...I think it matches the lights and fountain pretty well to puddin's pic here (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/tn1.jpg)

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6670/indexca03rzr2bl5.th.jpg) (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexca03rzr2bl5.jpg)
An interactive map of the park grounds can be found here (http://www.vvcentre.ru/eng/about_us/excursion/)

You can get a 360 degree panoramic at Panorama 12 (yellow flag 2nd from the bottom of the map from the main entrance)
Great find! Here's a photo (http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/476288.jpg) taken from a  nearby ferris wheel. Because of the billboards and the buses, I'd nominate one of the fountains near the main entrance. (the way the soundmen are rushing around, it looks like Phil just barely beat the racers to the mat!)
.... I'd nominate one of the fountains near the main entrance.

 :js:  IMHO, based on your ferris wheel pix, and the pitstop pix, my guess is that Phil is smack dab right in the middle, right in front of that big building.   :ascared  Talk about being conspicuous.  Didn't even bother hiding him.   :duno:   :funny: 

eta: BTW, Matt is shown standing in the exact spot in his Moscow pix   :lol:

(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/9557/57441255wz7.th.jpg) (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=57441255wz7.jpg)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2462/45014594ks5.th.jpg) (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=45014594ks5.jpg)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8285/11189673rh5.th.jpg) (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11189673rh5.jpg)

peach & I sold our souls for the above video and info  :lol: .....thought you all might enjoy it. :-[  :angel:

Newspaper scan thanks to Michael  :jam:

click click
(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/th_IMG_2241.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/IMG_2241.jpg)

SPOILER ALERT!  (http://www.thestar.com/News/Ideas/article/463414)
The Amazing Race investigation
 TheStar.com - Ideas - The Amazing Race investigation

A reporter stumbled into the path of a hit reality show. Then, the show's fans found her

July 19, 2008
Robyn Doolittle
Staff Reporter

There was something about the way the camera crews were just waiting around that told me they weren't from the local Moscow news station.

And then there was the good-looking guy in the tan leather jacket talking in front of the camera. He seemed to be speaking English – unlike the Russian-speaking cameramen. And why was there a second crew 50 metres away, near a grand archway leading into the All-Russia Exhibition Centre?

Then it hit me.

"Guys!" I giddily turned to the seven friends I was travelling with, "I think this is The Amazing Race."

Within an hour or so the leather jacket guy – host Phil Keoghan –and a man dressed up in Soviet garb stationed themselves in front of a giant Lenin statue. Before long, a pair of haggard-looking twentysomethings, weighed down by backpacks, came barrelling through the archway. They were first. Hugs all round. And we were documenting it all.

A frantic producer woman sprinted over. "No cameras! No filming!"

A second was more diplomatic. He used guilt. "From the bottom of my heart, I know I can't delete your pictures or anything, but please, keep what you've seen quiet. Millions of people look forward to this every year."

We said we weren't there for trouble, we were just fans of the show. He seemed relieved and I was content to drop it.

That is, until The Amazing Race found me.

On July 2, several months after my trip, an email arrived with the subject line: Amazing Race. I opened it.

"Hi Robyn! My name is Peach and I am with an Internet group that tracks The Amazing Race. We stumbled across your friend Vanessa's picture of the race and Phil! In Moscow and are thrilled to bits ... perhaps you could answer some questions for me?"

Whaaaa? I called Vanessa. She'd posted her Russia pics on a Picasa Web album. Were those searchable? We laughed. As a reporter, I spend most of my day stalking people on the Internet for stories, and here, I'd been e-hunted.

They called themselves The Amazing Race detectives. Since 2004, race cycle 5, the TAR detectives – about 15 in total – have mapped out, blow-by-blow, pretty much every stop of the race months before the show airs.

They search web albums and blogs for people like myself, scrutinize promo clips, track down contestants and map out possible flight patterns. Among them: a space engineer, a former travel industry professional who "can pull up flight information at the drop of a hat" and a WWII vet.

One of the forum members is married to a police detective.

"One of the nicest compliments we ever got was when the husband of one of our posters (said) he should give us some of his cold cases for us to work on during the office season," says Peach.

Peach, who works in medicine, hails from Georgia and dreams of being a site scout for the show.


As leads develop, the detectives frantically follow the trail – sometimes until dawn. Pictures. Car types. Licence plates. Local geography and architecture. It's all dissected to the most minute detail. To date, almost all of cycle 13 is mapped out.

The original TAR detective, Puddin, from Pennsylvania, who is "old enough to have teenagers," explained how she found us:

As usual, Puddin was scanning online photo albums, including Picasa. Vanessa captioned one picture "Amazing Race." It showed the back of the contestants and the Soviet soldier. Host Keoghan was hidden. Puddin couldn't find Vanessa online, but she noticed one photo captioned "Robyn and Oleg" (my boyfriend). "The (Ryerson) sweatshirts gave it away," Puddin says. "We googled Robyn, Ryerson University and bingo!" A story I'd written on buying a new condo popped up, with a picture of Oleg and me.

"I compared your photo with Vanessa's and thought for sure I had a match," Puddin says.

I was impressed, but after poking around on the site, I realized this Sherlock Holmes sleuthing was nothing. Not only had they found us, but they were able to deduce what time and day we were there, largely by puddles on the ground.

They were able to discover the location of the finale mat, or finish line, for this upcoming season.

But as true fans, they chose not to reveal the information on their website.

"We were all horrified at the thought that the racers might be besieged by the media, or that the winner might be known before the show even wrapped," says Peach. "It was more important to us at that point to protect the finale of the show than it was to be the first (fan site) to share the news ... We are all in this because we adore the race and the friends and excitement."


 
THE WEB POSTS

June 26 1:48 a.m.

Puddin posts photo: "This is Russia, what do you all think?"

June 26, 2:51 a.m.

Georgiapeach: "Now ... date? Time? What's with the balloons and the wind machine thingy? Those towers should be findable!"

June 26, 4:02 a.m.

Neobie posts photo: "It's the All-Russia Exhibition Centre!"

June 26, at 5:09 a.m.

Mrs. Shrek posts photo: "... Found this pic on Google Earth ... I think it matches the lights and fountain..."

June 27 at 5:58 p.m.

Chateau d If: "Think we can pin it to May 11th because the shot you just put up has drying rain puddles from rain that shows up on weather underground at 9:30 a.m. ... May 12th had no rain. May 13th had rain ... "

June 28, 12:52 p.m.

Puddin: "I'm pretty sure I've got it! The vehicles/boats ... were most likely put in place on May 13th with the Security Exhibition (ISSE) at the All-Russia Exhibition Center in Moscow on 14-18 May 2008."

June 28 at 9:30 p.m.

Peace: "From the collection there was this photo with the caption as shown: `They won the soccer game' On May 14 the St Petersburg team won the UEFA cup final. So if this is taken in Moscow ... our photographer was still in Moscow on May 14, which makes it sure that our photographer was there on the 13th."

June 29 at 10:23 a.m.

Neobie: "...we see a Kremlin clock at 3:47 p.m., while the camera clock declares 7:49 a.m. That means the camera clock was last set to ... eight hours behind Moscow Summer Time ... we can safely declare the rainy shot to be taken at 11:41 a.m., May 13th!



 


quote from Robyn:

Quote
Yes it was the 13th. the first of three teams came in around noon-2ish. i don't really remember exactly, just that it was very early. It had rained all morning and the sun came out around noon.


Lets try to clarify "the first of three teams" , take from it what you will! Robyn and her group witnessed 3 teams and we don't know if there was a 4th team, remember nothing is 100% certain! Robyn and her group were at the Centre for hours and, to me anyway, their is room to debate about a possible 4th team which is likely if TAR is following the TAR12 format.

From Robyn~

*the team that vanessa took a pic of was obviously the first. ( who we at rff have narrowed down to be this pair  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15372.msg304136.html#msg304136) )

*i can't describe the 2nd team. we saw them at a difference. ( distance)

*but as we were leaving, maybe 4 or 5 hrs after the first went through, we bumped into a 3rd as they got off the monorail.
 

:yess:   peach, may I quote you on this: "Funny how your past comes back to haunt you, huh?  :funny: Full circle!

quote from Robyn:

*but as we were leaving, maybe 4 or 5 hrs after the first went through, we bumped into a 3rd as they got off the monorail.

And I've been meaning to post this, remember Robyn, our writer that witnessed Nick and Starr at the Moscow pitstop?
This is why I'm pretty sure Tina and Ken final 4, theres always that chance there was a team behind them and they are final 3 but.. reading above, if it was Tina and Ken that Julz saw " very tan blond woman in a florescent green sporty outfit, backpack  and one of those TAR  clue cards (?)  in her hand", they very well could be decoys but, nothing could be 100% certain so take it for what its worth.
Remember, Robyn did not "man" the pitstop the whole time, she and her group were sight seeing.

Quote
now amazing race info for you guys:
 
the team that vanessa took a pic of was obviously the first. i can't describe the 2nd team. we saw them at a difference. but as we were leaving, maybe 4 or 5 hrs after the first went through, we bumped into a 3rd as they got off the monorail. she was blond and wearing spandex pink. she was yelling at the guy she was with and they fought over the right direction. she sprinted the wrong way, then they figured it out. it was pretty funny.
 
they also had a huge amazing race party that night at a hall at the back of the exhibition centre. it was all very secretive.
 
also, did you know once the contestants come through they sit at the side? i always envisioned them giong off to a hotel, but no they sat in a waiting area until at the one of the other teams came thorugh.
 
talk soon
 
robyn

Monorail....huh  :angel:   Interesting, as the Moscow Monorail doesn't really go anywhere, just between 2 metro stations.  It has a stop at the main gate of the All-Russia Exhibition Center, though.   :snicker:

The Moscow Monorail Transit System (MMTS) - monorail system in Moscow (Russia), in Severo-Vostochny (Norh-Eastern) administrative district. It links metro stations Timiryazevskaya and VDNKh (length - 4.7 km). Its design was initiated in 1998 and first passengers were admitted on November 30, 2004 "in the touring mode". On January 10, 2008 monorail began to work in normal mode, which meant the reduction of ticket price from about $2 to the common price of Moscow rapid transport tickets, and much more frequent trains.

Maybe they took the metro to the Timiryazevskaya station and then the Monorail to the Exhibition Center.  :duno:  Or maybe not.

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Belle Book on November 13, 2008, 06:12:51 PM
Well, that means the first leg in Moscow is probably non-elimination and we have another Speed Bump to deal with (most likely).

Belle Book
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on November 13, 2008, 06:24:18 PM
Belle Book,
The way I see it, the most likely sequence is an elimination leg 9 (Moscow#1) followed by a non-elim (Moscow #2). The reason is that if you start Moscow 1 with 4  teams (one eliminated in Kazakhstan to get there) you will eliminate one to reach 3 teams and not be able to go below that, which requires a NEL. It is possible to do it the obverse way, leg 9 NEL and 4 teams competing in leg 10. I just think the NEL is cleaner and I don't like U-turns and Speed Bumps.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 13, 2008, 06:40:44 PM
Belle Book,
The way I see it, the most likely sequence is an elimination leg 9 (Moscow#1) followed by a non-elim (Moscow #2). The reason is that if you start Moscow 1 with 4  teams (one eliminated in Kazakhstan to get there) you will eliminate one to reach 3 teams and not be able to go below that, which requires a NEL. It is possible to do it the obverse way, leg 9 NEL and 4 teams competing in leg 10. I just think the NEL is cleaner and I don't like U-turns and Speed Bumps.

The only reason I disagree with a NEL in Moscow #2, is because that would mean that the NEL'd team would have to do a speed bump in the final leg. I don't think production would want that. I'm going to stick to my theory that either leg 8 or 9 is a NEL.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 13, 2008, 07:00:05 PM
Belle Book,
The way I see it, the most likely sequence is an elimination leg 9 (Moscow#1) followed by a non-elim (Moscow #2). The reason is that if you start Moscow 1 with 4  teams (one eliminated in Kazakhstan to get there) you will eliminate one to reach 3 teams and not be able to go below that, which requires a NEL. It is possible to do it the obverse way, leg 9 NEL and 4 teams competing in leg 10. I just think the NEL is cleaner and I don't like U-turns and Speed Bumps.

The only reason I disagree with a NEL in Moscow #2, is because that would mean that the NEL'd team would have to do a speed bump in the final leg. I don't think production would want that. I'm going to stick to my theory that either leg 8 or 9 is a NEL.
It has to be leg 8 or 9, A NEL that is. I see no other options, lol
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Jobby on November 14, 2008, 10:59:08 AM
I believe it's the Moscow Leg #1, since India Leg #1 is a NEL too.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 17, 2008, 12:58:34 PM
           
Clues:


ONE TEAM MAKES AN UNPRECEDENTED MISTAKE ON THE ROAD THAT COSTS THEM DEARLY, WHILE ANOTHER TEAM STRUGGLES TO STAY THE COURSE WHILE NAVIGATING MOSCOW'S CONFUSING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, ON "THE AMAZING RACE 13," SUNDAY, NOV. 30 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK
"You're Gonna Get Me Killed" -
One Team makes an unprecedented mistake that prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line, while another Team struggles to make it through Moscow's public transportation system, on THE AMAZING RACE 13, Sunday, Nov. 30 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
 

You're Gonna Get Me Killed
*One team makes an unprecedented mistake on the road that ultimately prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line.
*Racers hunt for Red October to find a cryptic clue.
*One Racer's lack of historic knowledge stalls their race in the Graveyard of Fallen Monuments.
*One team falls behind when confused by Moscow's many modes of public transportation.
*One racer uses Pictionary skills to communicate with their taxi driver.
BVM: • As for the challenges, Another must-see detour: A by-train-or-by-bus scavenger hunt in Moscow


:bar:
*Racers hunt for Red October to find a cryptic clue. 
Slowhatch: The "Red October" stuff is of course fictional, but there's a sub/museum parked near Khimki (http://www.wikimapia.org/119049/A-submarine-with-a-museum-inside) to the northwest of the city. The Graveyard of Fallen Monuments is behind the Central House of Artists (http://www.wikimapia.org/137/Central-House-of-Artists).

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(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000311-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000311-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000611-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000611-24-2008.jpg) Travel by Taxi to Tushino park

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003011-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003011-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002911-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002911-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000911-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000911-24-2008.jpg) Taxi!!

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001111-26-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001111-26-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001211-26-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001211-26-2008.jpg)


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002911-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002911-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003011-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003011-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003111-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003111-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003411-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003411-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001811-26-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001811-26-2008.jpg)



Chateau d if:This picture was taken between 9:49 and 10:47 am (assumes May 13th).
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001211-29-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001211-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001311-29-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001311-29-2008.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000011-29-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000011-29-2008.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001811-29-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001811-29-2008.jpg)


:bar:


Chateau:It's probably been said already but Tina is getting wet outside the entrance to Gorky Park.  Panaramio (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/7562464)
Bonigo: :lol: yep, they are exiting taxis across from Gorky Park gate to enter Sculpture Park.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001411-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001411-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001611-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001611-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001711-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001711-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001811-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001811-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002111-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002111-24-2008.jpg) Nick steals Tina and Kens old taxi

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002311-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002511-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002511-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002811-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002811-24-2008.jpg) Splash!

:bar:
Roadblock
 *One Racer's lack of historic knowledge stalls their race in the Graveyard of Fallen Monuments.

 (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002011-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002011-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002311-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003511-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003511-24-2008.jpg)  (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003611-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003611-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003811-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003811-24-2008.jpg)   (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003911-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003911-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001111-27-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001111-27-2008.jpg)Bulgakov’s flat and Sculpture Park. thanks to Chateau & Boingo 

Chateau: This shot was taken between 12:34 and 12:45 pm (assumes May 13th).
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003811-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003811-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_004011-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/004011-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000411-27-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000411-27-2008.jpg) Dandrew at Victory Park thanks Boingo


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000611-27-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000611-27-2008.jpg) Kentina

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000711-27-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000711-27-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001411-27-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001411-27-2008.jpg) Dallas & Toni

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002411-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002411-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002511-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002511-23-2008.jpg)  could be part of the roadblock


:bar:
Speedbump        
Sokolniki Park

Chateau:This shot was taken between 5:00 and 6:30 pm (assumes May 13th).
 (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_004011-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/004011-24-2008.jpg)      (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000311-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000311-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000611-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000611-23-2008.jpg)  (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000911-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000911-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001211-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001211-23-2008.jpg) Dandrew learn a new dance move 

  :bar:
Detours       
 BVM: • As for the challenges, Another must-see detour: A by-train-or-by-bus scavenger hunt in Moscow     

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001411-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001411-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001911-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001911-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002611-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002611-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002711-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002711-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002811-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002811-23-2008.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/th_IMG_0683.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/IMG_0683.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/th_IMG_0681-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/IMG_0681-1.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001911-26-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001911-26-2008.jpg)

:bar:
Pitstop

 May 13th All Russian Centre special thanks to Robyn and friends :jam:

Chateau: This shot was taken here between 4:14 and 4:53 pm  (assumes May 11th).
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/th_dsc06122-2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/dsc06122-2.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/th_team.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/team.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/th_p1010190.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/p1010190.jpg) First team to arrive, Nick and Starr
:bar:
misc~  




:bar:
 One Team makes an unprecedented mistake that prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line       
    (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000811-26-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000811-26-2008.jpg)   (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000911-26-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000911-26-2008.jpg)  (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001011-26-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001011-26-2008.jpg)       (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001311-26-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001311-26-2008.jpg)   (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001711-26-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001711-26-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002411-26-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002411-26-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002511-26-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002511-26-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001711-27-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001711-27-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001811-27-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001811-27-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 08:02:03 PM
This is the leg where someone loses their money and passports! DanDrew have a dancing speedbump!


brb

I'll take screencaps off my tv tuner in a minute and the better quailty ones later, I want to let my bf watch 24 in peace, lol
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jayans on November 23, 2008, 08:11:33 PM
Here it is: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/passports.html

I don't know how the Russian visa-end will work because I know Russia is VERY VERY STRICT with the Visas but I am sure with production in tow and it being a race the Russian gov't may be lenient.

EDIT:
Sponsorship: Under Russian law, every foreign traveler must have a Russian-based sponsor, which could be a hotel, tour company, relative, employer, university, etc. Even if a visa was obtained through a travel agency in the United States, there is always a Russian legal entity whose name is indicated on the visa and who is considered to be the legal sponsor. Russian law requires that the sponsor must apply on the traveler's behalf for replacement, extension, or changes to a Russian visa. U.S. citizens are strongly advised to ensure that they have contact information for the visa sponsor prior to arrival in Russia, as the sponsor's assistance will be essential to resolve any visa problems.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 08:18:10 PM
next week on the Amazing Race
Phil: Dan struggles with some new moves during the speedbump
Dan: thats hard
Ken and Tina on metro
Ken: were out of options here
Phil:and during the race for the final 3
Dallas: we have nothing
Phil: .. one team loses their passport and all their money
Starr flagging down a cab: how are we going to get a cab?
Dan: no way were going to finish the leg today, no way


speedbump........



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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 08:19:14 PM
metro

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001311-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001411-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001511-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001611-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001711-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001811-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001911-23-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Belle Book on November 23, 2008, 08:19:52 PM
Let's hope it's not Toni & Dallas who lose their money & passports!

Belle Book
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 08:24:42 PM
“Bulgakov’s House”

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002011-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002111-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002211-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-23-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 08:25:23 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002411-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002511-23-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 08:25:56 PM
I see the pitstop!!

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002611-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002711-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002811-23-2008.jpg)

All Russian Centre Entrance:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/allrussiancentre.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 08:26:51 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002911-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003011-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003111-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003211-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003311-23-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: mswood on November 23, 2008, 08:27:35 PM
Let's hope it's not Toni & Dallas who lose their money & passports!

Belle Book

AARRGGGHHH you jinxed them...
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 08:27:38 PM
I see a horsey .......

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003411-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003511-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003611-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003711-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003811-23-2008-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003911-23-2008-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/004011-23-2008-1.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 23, 2008, 08:28:16 PM
omg omg omg omg!!

Dan's last comment:
Quote
People like to see the underdog win!!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 08:31:45 PM
omg omg omg omg!!

Dan's last comment:
Quote
People like to see the underdog win!!

Not a chance in hell! lol

Oh and I'm kicking the BF off the laptop! the sacrafices I make for  the sake of TAR :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 23, 2008, 08:32:23 PM
omg omg omg omg!!

Dan's last comment:
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People like to see the underdog win!!


so?
in BB10 lyn and karolyn always talked about being the underdogs and they never won
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Belle Book on November 23, 2008, 08:32:36 PM
Let's hope it's not Toni & Dallas who lose their money & passports!

Belle Book

AARRGGGHHH you jinxed them...

No, you're the one who jinxes teams.   ;)  All you have to do is to say that you want Dandrew to win -- and they won't.  However, just to be on the safe side -- I'll say that I also don't want Dandrew to lose their money & passports.

Belle Book
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 23, 2008, 08:36:09 PM
Let's hope it's not Toni & Dallas who lose their money & passports!

Belle Book

AARRGGGHHH you jinxed them...

No, you're the one who jinxes teams.   ;)  All you have to do is to say that you want Dandrew to win -- and they won't.  However, just to be on the safe side -- I'll say that I also don't want Dandrew to lose their money & passports.

Belle Book


actually I'm the jinx lol
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Jobby on November 23, 2008, 08:40:20 PM
I'm going to look at the previews again.

The only teams to lose their passports and everything are Ken and Tina, who didn't have their fannypacks on at all, and Toni and Dallas, whom i heard saying - "We have nothing"!

Anyway, are there only 3 teams spotted at the pitstop? Nick and Starr, followed by Dandrew, then Ken and Tina? Cause i remembered Ken and Tina were hours behind and i think actually Toni and Dallas could maybe be in first and were not seen? Then Nick and Starr came in second, with Dandrew in third (with the speedbump) and Ken and Tina eliminated because they lost their packs?

I don't know. I really don't see how Dandrew can beat 2 other teams to the pitstop if it's Toni and Dallas who lost their packs and became 4th. T_T :'(
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 23, 2008, 08:42:58 PM
Joab,
Tina has her fanny pack here at the pitstop location:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/23Nov0013.jpg)

We know it isn't them who lose it, and we also know it isn't Nick and Star, who were filmed checking into the pit stop first.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Jobby on November 23, 2008, 08:56:58 PM
OMG. Toni and Dallas killed. :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 23, 2008, 08:57:27 PM
OMG. Toni and Dallas killed. :'( :'( :'(

....how do you figure?
we still have ANDREW AND DAN in the race.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 23, 2008, 09:01:08 PM
Joab, our source for the video was there for hours and per her it was clear that Nick/Starr were first to the Pitstop.

Dan/Andrew were never directly seen there at all as far as we know--whichever team was in second place was not seen close enough to be able to say WHO it was. And Tina/Ken were seen at the monorail some hours later...
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: asamber1 on November 23, 2008, 09:01:46 PM
Wasnt Tina describes as the blonde in green, and thats why we thought they were so far behind.  I could be wrong though.
But if i am right Tina is not wearing green....Toni is.  Toni and Dallas can be the team hours and hours behind Nick and Starr.  
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 23, 2008, 09:03:39 PM
Wasnt Tina describes as the blonde in green, and thats why we thought they were so far behind.  I could be wrong though.
But if i am right Tina is not wearing green....Toni is.  Toni and Dallas can be the team hours and hours behind Nick and Starr.  

i thought Tina was described to be wearing pink spandex top?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: makz3d on November 23, 2008, 09:05:28 PM
Even though Nick & Starr appear to be first at the pitstop it's possible they lost their money and passports.

As of the first preview it doesn't look like Nick has the fanny pack.  Although it could be under his coat although I don't think it looks like it.

Twice before Nick has already left the fanny pack behind and at least 1 time that we know about they had to go back and get it.

I just hope it's not Dallas & Toni and if it's not Nick & Starr then it's Dandrew.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 23, 2008, 09:08:46 PM
Joab,
Tina has her fanny pack here at the pitstop location:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/23Nov0013.jpg)

We know it isn't them who lose it, and we also know it isn't Nick and Star, who were filmed checking into the pit stop first.

What makes you say so Michael? AS far as I know, we don't KNOW who loses it...having your fanny pack doesn't mean your passport is in it... ;)

Evidence for all:

Nick/Starr not their usual happy selves at the mat? Had to wait in a roped off area till the next team arrived?

Dan/Andrew: per BVM: "they make terrible mistakes"

Ken/Tina: no evidence either way

Toni/Dallas: not spotted in Portland... which may be the most compelling evidence of all because we know from BVM that whichever team loses their stuff IS prevented from joining their teammates at the final mat.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: mswood on November 23, 2008, 09:10:48 PM
Peach whats this about Nick & Starr having to wait at the Pit Stop?  I don't remember that.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: AbbyNormal on November 23, 2008, 09:11:21 PM
Here it is: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/passports.html

I don't know how the Russian visa-end will work because I know Russia is VERY VERY STRICT with the Visas but I am sure with production in tow and it being a race the Russian gov't may be lenient.

EDIT:
Sponsorship: Under Russian law, every foreign traveler must have a Russian-based sponsor, which could be a hotel, tour company, relative, employer, university, etc. Even if a visa was obtained through a travel agency in the United States, there is always a Russian legal entity whose name is indicated on the visa and who is considered to be the legal sponsor. Russian law requires that the sponsor must apply on the traveler's behalf for replacement, extension, or changes to a Russian visa. U.S. citizens are strongly advised to ensure that they have contact information for the visa sponsor prior to arrival in Russia, as the sponsor's assistance will be essential to resolve any visa problems.

Straight from the US Embassy in Moscow website at  http://moscow.usembassy.gov/russian-visas.html here is what our team is up against:

Visitors who lose their U.S. passports and Russian visas to accident or theft must immediately replace their passports at the U.S. Embassy or one of the Consulates General. The traveler must then enlist the visa sponsor to obtain a new visa in order to depart the country. As noted above, the U.S. Embassy and Consulates General are not able to intercede in cases in which visas must be replaced. It is helpful to make a photocopy of your visa in the event of loss, but a copy is not sufficient to permit departure.

The good news is that the sponsor is the one who gets your visa, so they have all the info ahead of time. We know that they were not fast enough for this team, though. I almost feel like I can't watch at this point.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: makz3d on November 23, 2008, 09:13:01 PM
Even though Nick & Starr appear to be first at the pitstop it's possible they lost their money and passports.

As of the first preview it doesn't look like Nick has the fanny pack.  Although it could be under his coat although I don't think it looks like it.

I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about Nick not having his fanny pack.

I just watched the video made and it's hard to tell but I think Nick does have the fanny pack.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Jobby on November 23, 2008, 09:16:14 PM
I think Toni and Dallas are the only team not spotted in Portland. That's why i said they're killed. Obviously i hope they are not. :'(
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: makz3d on November 23, 2008, 09:27:37 PM
Joab,
Tina has her fanny pack here at the pitstop location:

SNIP

We know it isn't them who lose it, and we also know it isn't Nick and Star, who were filmed checking into the pit stop first.
What makes you say so Michael? AS far as I know, we don't KNOW who loses it...having your fanny pack doesn't mean your passport is in it... ;)

SNIP


In reply 11 above it almost looks like Tina's fanny pack is open or the lady standing by her is holding paper in the area of the fanny pack.

Is it possible contents were stolen on Metro?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 23, 2008, 09:29:53 PM
 :yess:  Dandrew are near the Victory Monument in Victory Park, Moscow
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 09:33:10 PM
Wasnt Tina describes as the blonde in green, and thats why we thought they were so far behind.  I could be wrong though.
But if i am right Tina is not wearing green....Toni is.  Toni and Dallas can be the team hours and hours behind Nick and Starr.  

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ur great thanks.
 
i'm excited. this will be fun.
 
now amazing race info for you guys:
 
the team that vanessa took a pic of was obviously the first. i can't describe the 2nd team. we saw them at a difference. but as we were leaving, maybe 4 or 5 hrs after the first went through, we bumped into a 3rd as they got off the monorail. she was blond and wearing spandex pink. she was yelling at the guy she was with and they fought over the right direction. she sprinted the wrong way, then they figured it out. it was pretty funny.
 
they also had a huge amazing race party that night at a hall at the back of the exhibition centre. it was all very secretive.
 
also, did you know once the contestants come through they sit at the side? i always envisioned them giong off to a hotel, but no they sat in a waiting area until at the one of the other teams came thorugh.
 
talk soon
 
robyn 

ps: Tina and Ken were spotted at PDX, she wore green, described as a very tan blond.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: asamber1 on November 23, 2008, 09:34:10 PM
I don't think the passports get stolen, cause thats not really a mistake is it?  That more light real bad bad luck.  Maybe Tina drops them, or they fall out.   The funny thing is this is never going to get caught on camera [unless they redo it], cause i can not imagine a camera seeing it happen and not telling them, they dropped their passports.

Any yea sorry about my Tina description, i must have been mistaken.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 23, 2008, 09:39:43 PM
Peach whats this about Nick & Starr having to wait at the Pit Stop?  I don't remember that.

It is buried in my 3000 emails from the source...I'll go look...

nvm...puddin has it! see above..
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 09:40:19 PM
Portland contestant sightings here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15372.msg359567.html#msg359567).
unprecedented mistake blurbs here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,16823.0.html).
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Jobby on November 23, 2008, 09:42:13 PM
Actually is it me or what, but i don't think anyone spotted Nick and Starr in Portland as well? :duno:

I remembered there was one team that seems like them, who were later identified to be T/S?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 09:44:00 PM
Joab, the links are above your post.

ok, party's over - unwinding here! just remembered that i saw phil on NBC Extra yesterday being interviewing in his home office - just briefly - but i do remember one significant thing he said which i don't think has been mentioned here before -  he said " one team lost some important documentation and some valuables that was ultimately detrimental to their situation in the race, not good not good at all", and then "we make sure everybody gets home safe and sound".

so i'm not so sure about the portland mixup scenario anymore, seems like one team lost (left somewhere or had it stolen) their fanny pack with all their clues and their passports + credit card etc and that's why they don't make it to the final 3.

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gingerman28 on November 23, 2008, 09:57:49 PM
The shots of Ken and Tina are not on the Metro (that's the Moscow Subway).  They are seen on one of the many buses or trams that run just about everywhere in Moscow.

And the fact that a team lost their passports does not mean that that team finished last at the pit stop.  A team could have finished second (Dallas and Toni)  and then suddenly realized that they did not have their passports.  So we have one team eliminated from the race (Dan and Andrew) and one team stuck in Moscow.  So only two teams actually make the final dash to Portland.  We had a similar situation when only Romber and (names excape me) make that plane from Puerto Rico to Miami.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 09:58:14 PM
video, slowed down a little

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gekidasa on November 23, 2008, 10:00:13 PM
During tonight's ep, when Nick and Starr arrived at the bakery, the taxi driver tried to hand them something that looked like papers to me. Nick and Starr didn't notice and walked away, and the rattlesnake sound effect of screw ups was heard. The fact that this didn't come up at all during the rest of the episode, but that it was noted with the sound effect, makes me think that it's going to be important next episode. In other words, I think Nick and Starr left their passports behind at that moment.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 10:03:43 PM
:yess:  Dandrew are near the Victory Monument in Victory Park, Moscow
You found the horsey  :yess: :jumpy:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 10:06:13 PM
The shots of Ken and Tina are not on the Metro (that's the Moscow Subway).  They are seen on one of the many buses or trams that run just about everywhere in Moscow.

And the fact that a team lost their passports does not mean that that team finished last at the pit stop.  A team could have finished second (Dallas and Toni)  and then suddenly realized that they did not have their passports.  So we have one team eliminated from the race (Dan and Andrew) and one team stuck in Moscow.  So only two teams actually make the final dash to Portland.  We had a similar situation when only Romber and (names excape me) make that plane from Puerto Rico to Miami.
Gman speaks! :bounce :wise :ythat: (although I am not convinced its DanDrew..yet)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 10:10:19 PM
and another version of Nick and Starr with a zoom thanks again to our reporter Robyn :)

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 23, 2008, 10:28:03 PM
Okay, I just saw a confessional with the frats at Pittoch Mansion

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/5678642.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 23, 2008, 10:29:54 PM
Okay, I just saw a confessional with the frats at Pittoch Mansion

I think I saw it during the episode as well
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 10:38:48 PM
I'm just sitting here rewatching Chateau! GMTA
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 10:46:42 PM
What time Chateau, please


all I remember is this and thats not it

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 23, 2008, 10:47:37 PM
Yep,  for certain, it is Pittoch  :yess:

It's at 26:59
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: nathyn on November 23, 2008, 10:49:02 PM
During tonight's ep, when Nick and Starr arrived at the bakery, the taxi driver tried to hand them something that looked like papers to me. Nick and Starr didn't notice and walked away, and the rattlesnake sound effect of screw ups was heard. The fact that this didn't come up at all during the rest of the episode, but that it was noted with the sound effect, makes me think that it's going to be important next episode. In other words, I think Nick and Starr left their passports behind at that moment.

That makes a lot of sense. But if Nick and Starr lose their passports in this leg, I'd think production would've been able to replace them by the end of the next leg. There's at least a 24 hour break (2 pitstops).
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 10:50:54 PM
Yep,  for certain, it is Pittoch  :yess:

It's at 26:59
Eagle Eye!  :jumpy:

Andrew: Dan and I have made more dumb mistakes,
Dan: a compilation video has to be made of all our mistakes
Andrew: yeah , it would be the best thing
Dan: yeah , it would be very (along?) Braveheart

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17845.0;attach=111053;image)

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 23, 2008, 10:51:48 PM
Yep,  for certain, it is Pittoch  :yess:

It's at 26:59
Eagle Eye!  :jumpy:

my avatar is the reply to this.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 11:03:39 PM
Well ........

You're Gonna Get Me Killed
*One team makes an unprecedented mistake on the road that ultimately prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line.
*Racers hunt for Red October to find a cryptic clue.
*One Racer's lack of historic knowledge stalls their race in the Graveyard of Fallen Monuments.
*One team falls behind when confused by Moscow's many modes of public transportation.
*One racer uses Pictionary skills to communicate with their taxi driver.


Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 23, 2008, 11:05:11 PM
gosh they look happy. If they win. I die fullstop!!

This means that Toni and Dallas could be out of this!!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 23, 2008, 11:05:43 PM
the only hope i have is that ken and tina or toni and dallas win.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 23, 2008, 11:10:23 PM
with this whole thing about toni and dallas. ken and tina ftw
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 11:12:13 PM
Theres always that chance that its an insider clip from the finale.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2008, 11:52:13 PM
preview clip .. link (http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race/video/video.php?cid=868014966&pid=BlzvTAB3IRd_UNSuuNoqXFQxHMdkM5Xd&play=true&cc=34)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 12:07:11 AM
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more.........
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 12:10:04 AM
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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: nathyn on November 24, 2008, 12:14:28 AM
Looks like Ken is right behind Dallas at the submarine.

I wonder how far behind Dandrew are at the roadblock. Toni's statement about Dallas' education has Ken and Starr in the background. Wonder if that pretty much seals final 3.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 12:17:06 AM
It seems to me the Roadblock comes first. ( no jinx here) :'(
BVM: • As for the challenges, Another must-see detour: A by-train-or-by-bus scavenger hunt in Moscow.

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: SD_Mama on November 24, 2008, 12:17:39 AM
NM - I saw the "MP" that's the speed bump
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 12:17:44 AM
the only hope i have is that ken and tina or toni and dallas win.
JINX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 24, 2008, 12:18:53 AM
the only hope i have is that ken and tina or toni and dallas win.
JINX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can't jinx both of them.  :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 12:20:47 AM
the only hope i have is that ken and tina or toni and dallas win.
JINX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


can't jinx both of them.  :lol:
Yeah and then if Dandrew win we shall ban you, lol. Please stay away from Nick and Starr Michael, they might be my only hope to save this race!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 24, 2008, 12:21:56 AM
the only hope i have is that ken and tina or toni and dallas win.
JINX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


can't jinx both of them.  :lol:
Yeah and then if Dandrew win we shall ban you, lol. Please stay away from Nick and Starr Michael, they might be my only hope to save this race!

Well, the truth is Nick and Starr started growing on me this leg and I am SERIOUSLY hoping that they win no -- well if ken and tina don't anyways.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: SD_Mama on November 24, 2008, 12:22:37 AM
Looks like Ken and Tina get a chain smoking cabbie and Ken's coughing.  Tina's got the window down but it looks like Ken is using a handkerchief in the background.  Wonder if this is the leg that Tina said she was sick and that Ken is sick too?  
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: mswood on November 24, 2008, 12:30:47 AM
I honestly think that if Nick & Starr were the team to lose their passport, ect they would have included one of the two other times they have miss placed their bag.  THe editors are usually pretty good with that sort of thing.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: nathyn on November 24, 2008, 12:32:39 AM
I think Ken/Tina finish last in this leg. The reports of the teams leaving Portland airport seems to jibe with the eliminated teams and I think the sporty green blond woman that was describes could be Tina.  Which probably means that Dallas/Toni or Nick/Starr end up losing their passports.  We know it's not Dandrew.  There's been speculation that Dandrew head to Portland, Maine and show up later. So this could be an extremely uneventful final leg if one of the two reamining teams heads to the wrong city while the other waits for a replacement passport.

Of course, the whole losing the passport thing could be a whole non-event. They don't say that whereever the team that lost their belongings don't get it back. I think that it comes down to Toni/Dallas and Nick/Starr for the 1M and Dandrew doesn't finish with the rest of the group b/c they head to Maine. The whole passport thing becomes a decoy.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Slowhatch on November 24, 2008, 12:48:52 AM
The "Red October" stuff is of course fictional, but there's a sub/museum parked near Khimki (http://www.wikimapia.org/119049/A-submarine-with-a-museum-inside) to the northwest of the city. The Graveyard of Fallen Monuments is behind the Central House of Artists (http://www.wikimapia.org/137/Central-House-of-Artists).
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 01:21:51 AM
Theres our Slowhatch!  :hearts:

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 24, 2008, 02:20:33 AM
It's probably been said already but Tina is getting wet outside the entrance to Gorky Park.  Panaramio (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/7562464)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001711-24-2008.jpg)

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 24, 2008, 05:33:35 AM
http://www.barynya.com/RussianDance/russian-dance.htm this page will make us figure out the dance
and i think dandrew loose thier money and everything
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Alvin06 on November 24, 2008, 08:11:56 AM
Maybe this will be relevant, but the episode title of the Finale episode is "You Look Like Peter Pan" and strangely enough, this sounds like a description of Nick, making them part of the final 3. Just a speculation though. This means that they might not be the team to lose their passports.

However, as you mentioned, being in the final 3 doesn't guarantee actually getting to the final destination.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: tory on November 24, 2008, 10:11:50 AM
in one of the pic tina is stuffing a green jacket/shirt into there bag..i hope toni and dalls or nick and starr winn . allso it was good to see toni and dallis at least win a nice trip. and come in frist on a leg.. so yea!!!!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 24, 2008, 10:47:17 AM
 :lol: yep, they are exiting taxis across from Gorky Park gate to enter Sculpture Park.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 24, 2008, 10:50:25 AM
 :lol: So in addition to what we already spoiled for the second Moscow leg (episode 10), we have a couple new locations, namely Slowhatch's submarine (which is over 10 miles from the center of Moscow), and Victory Park, the speedbump location(?).
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: AbbyNormal on November 24, 2008, 11:01:31 AM

QUOTE:
now amazing race info for you guys:
 
the team that vanessa took a pic of was obviously the first. i can't describe the 2nd team. we saw them at a difference. but as we were leaving, maybe 4 or 5 hrs after the first went through, we bumped into a 3rd as they got off the monorail. she was blond and wearing spandex pink. she was yelling at the guy she was with and they fought over the right direction. she sprinted the wrong way, then they figured it out. it was pretty funny.
 
they also had a huge amazing race party that night at a hall at the back of the exhibition centre. it was all very secretive.
 
also, did you know once the contestants come through they sit at the side? i always envisioned them giong off to a hotel, but no they sat in a waiting area until at the one of the other teams came thorugh.
 
talk soon
 
robyn


Could someone here please clarify if the teams do wait for the next one to come in? Now I am wondering if Nick and Starr come in first but have to wait out a penalty - or if they are in fact the ones who lose their passports. That would explain their lack of enthusiasm at the mat. In looking at all the evidence, I don't see any positive sightings of Nick and Starr in Portland. The closest I can get is the couple spotted downtown where she was decribed as "pretty" - I don't think that would apply to either Tina or Toni. Of course that team may have been a decoy.
 
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 24, 2008, 11:37:06 AM
I remember there was a tourist who was at the Ep 10 finish line and they complained about a sudden down pour that day.  Weather Undergound (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/UUWW/2008/5/13/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA) has that happening between 10:30 and 11:30 am.  The binning of their data requires an open interpretation of 10:30 am to 12 noon for the rain.

This suggests that Ken & Tina and Nick & Starr arrived at the Sculpture Garden between 10:30 and noon. 

And, since the shot of Dallas in the Sculpture Garden was dry we know that Toni & Dallas are still ahead up to the Roadblock (submarine task is done).  I hope Dallas figures it out correctly:  Stalin vs Lenin   :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2008, 11:42:53 AM
IIRC, Robyn said that there had been rain earlier that day, but the sun was coming out at the Pitstop...
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 12:04:32 PM
Chateau, oh master of the protractor  :lol:,  did we ever get a definite time on Nick and Starrs pitstop? and with any luck maybe Tina and Ken near the entrance....
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Yes it was the 13th. the first of three teams came in around noon-2ish. i don't really remember exactly, just that it was very early. It had rained all morning and the sun came out around noon.


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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 24, 2008, 12:14:02 PM
 :lol:  These two are hopelessly lost.   :funny:  Looks like "Team Pink Spandex" are going in the wrong direction after exiting the monorail station.    "Look behind you, guys!"   :groan:

eta:  travel the Moscow monorail from Timiryazevskaya to VVC (Exhibition Center) - YouTube Video

Moscow monorail from Timiryazevskaya to VVC part 1/2  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8KRtvbxXw8)
Moscow monorail from Timiryazevskaya to VVC part 2/2  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5AWi84clPI)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2008, 12:24:49 PM
"We bumped into a 3rd as they got off the monorail. she was blond and wearing spandex pink. she was yelling at the guy she was with and they fought over the right direction. she sprinted the wrong way, then they figured it out. "

It is wonderful to see this coming to life! Thanks for the pics Boingo!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 12:55:03 PM
I wonder where Tina and Ken ditched their backpacks if they came from monorail?

anyway......press release
and we know that its Tina and Ken per public transportation but you all already knew that.


ONE TEAM MAKES AN UNPRECEDENTED MISTAKE ON THE ROAD THAT COSTS THEM DEARLY, WHILE ANOTHER TEAM STRUGGLES TO STAY THE COURSE WHILE NAVIGATING MOSCOW'S CONFUSING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, ON "THE AMAZING RACE 13," SUNDAY, NOV. 30 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK
"You're Gonna Get Me Killed" - One Team makes an unprecedented mistake that prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line, while another Team struggles to make it through Moscow's public transportation system, on THE AMAZING RACE 13, Sunday, Nov. 30 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
 
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 12:58:50 PM
This goes here too..
It's a darn poster!!! (http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?.intl=us&lp=ru_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.bcxb.ru%2fobjects%2fobjects.htm)

Poster
“Be prepared for [VSKHV]”
[V].[M].[livanova], M.; L., 1950. Size of 83,5[kh]59

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2008, 01:01:57 PM


Good eye about the packs! :ascared
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 02:20:08 PM


Could someone here please clarify if the teams do wait for the next one to come in? Now I am wondering if Nick and Starr come in first but have to wait out a penalty - or if they are in fact the ones who lose their passports. That would explain their lack of enthusiasm at the mat. In looking at all the evidence, I don't see any positive sightings of Nick and Starr in Portland. The closest I can get is the couple spotted downtown where she was decribed as "pretty" - I don't think that would apply to either Tina or Toni. Of course that team may have been a decoy.
 
Off the top of my head, I recall BJ and Tyler talking about hiding behind the wall and watching Lake & Michelle get eliminated in Greece, I'm sure I read more instances but would have to read like every past interview and I'm not willing to do that, lol
Maybe a past race contestant can help us out if lurking?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 02:21:44 PM
I honestly think that if Nick & Starr were the team to lose their passport, ect they would have included one of the two other times they have miss placed their bag.  THe editors are usually pretty good with that sort of thing.
Only in the insider clips we see/hear Starr and Nick leaving their fanny pack behind, twice.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 24, 2008, 02:24:43 PM
what if this is all one big hype and the team that loses their passport ends up finding it later on in the start of the last leg so they DO get to go to portland, only later than the other teams...could that explain why andrew/dan arrive so late? (even in their confessional from the mansion, it looks like it's getting dark)

eee i can't explain what i'm trying to say right..

I mean that production finds their passport in russia.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 24, 2008, 02:45:31 PM

Chateau, oh master of the protractor  :lol:,  did we ever get a definite time on Nick and Starrs pitstop? and with any luck maybe Tina and Ken near the entrance....
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quote from Robyn:
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Yes it was the 13th. the first of three teams came in around noon-2ish. i don't really remember exactly, just that it was very early. It had rained all morning and the sun came out around noon.


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Hey Puddin, it's back here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.msg304188.html#msg304188)

I'd hedge it back to 4:00 to 4:30 pm.  I used the way there is a narrow line of light on the left side of the tall lamp posts.



Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2008, 02:52:34 PM
Well, shadows don't lie...   

but that is a more than 2 hour difference from what our eyewitness told us. :duno:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 03:00:10 PM
Thanks Chateau I wasn't certain if that time had changed or not  :kuss:
I'm hoping that you could get something on Tina and Ken or even Dandrew in the Portland shot.

For those interested, weatherunderground (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/UUWW/2008/5/13/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA) fwiw May 13 Moscow


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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 24, 2008, 03:13:04 PM
i been compareing the pictures of dandrews dance and the closet dance was called SKHOMOROKHI
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 24, 2008, 03:49:56 PM
if u look on 1 picture you can see that tina and ken put there stuff on a different bag
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: asamber1 on November 24, 2008, 04:02:30 PM
We have to also note the preview said passports and money.  So it must happen after they are given money for the leg  And with no money they prob. cant finish the leg.  so Ken and Tina, and Nick and Starr just getting to the matt tell me they don't loose anything.

My guess is the team [most prob . Toni and Dallas at this point] loose their passports, cant find them, and thats that, they wouldnt continue the leg, Amazing Race Emergency Service would be called to help them.   I dont see why a team would continue to race a leg while their passports are gone.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 24, 2008, 04:08:02 PM
i dont think it's nick and starr because they look kind of happy when they get to the finish line  :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 04:30:16 PM
for Chateau

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2008, 05:20:13 PM
Well, shadows don't lie...   

but that is a more than 2 hour difference from what our eyewitness told us. :duno:

I'm going with Chateau on this one! In reviewing some of the info from the source, it is clear that there is a lot of leeway about the time, so I think we need to take her times not so literally.

puddin and I are reviewing all the info from our source, so if there are any new tidbits or information to add, one of us will! :tup:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Belle Book on November 24, 2008, 06:28:42 PM
Actually, I'm thinking Dandrew loses their passports and can't finish the Race.  Better them than Toni & Dallas.

Belle Book
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 24, 2008, 06:37:38 PM
How late can DanDrew arrive at the Leg 10 Pit Stop and still make the 7:05 Lufthansa flight out the next morning? Maybe they are late in PDX because they have to fly a later, different route?

That party that Robynn spoke about.......sure sounds like a wrap party to me, before heading back to the States. Their last time to be a group together, before finish line madness starts.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 24, 2008, 07:25:58 PM
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for Chateau

Thanks Puddin.  But I can't find anything useful in those shots.  The sun has gone down low and behind the general cloud cover.  It is much later than the Nick & Starr shot where we can actually see things that are getting sunshine on them.

To determine the Ken & Tina time I would take your source's time differential since Nick & Starr and add it to my 4 to 4:30 estimate for Nick & Starr. 

Probably the frats arrived so much later that your source was gone by then.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 07:58:53 PM
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for Chateau

Thanks Puddin.  But I can't find anything useful in those shots.  The sun has gone down low and behind the general cloud cover.  It is much later than the Nick & Starr shot where we can actually see things that are getting sunshine on them.

To determine the Ken & Tina time I would take your source's time differential since Nick & Starr and add it to my 4 to 4:30 estimate for Nick & Starr. 

Probably the frats arrived so much later that your source was gone by then.
For the love of God I hope you are right Chateau  :iok :wine:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2008, 08:17:54 PM
Actually, I'm thinking Dandrew loses their passports and can't finish the Race.  Better them than Toni & Dallas.

Belle Book


But Dan and Andrew have a confessional at Pittoch Mansion, which is the Finish Line for the finale, so clearly they make it to Portland.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: woden on November 24, 2008, 08:48:53 PM
Suppose Toni/Dallas lose their passports and can't continue. Suppose too that Dan/Andrew arrive last to the pitstop.

Would production allow Dan/Andrew to stay in the race, effectively eliminating Toni/Dallas instead?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2008, 09:11:51 PM
I've been wondering too if production would let the last place team stay in if another team could not continue...

But I think it much more likely that the poor team who loses their passport and money will come to a screeching halt...frantically looking, and with no way to even get a taxi/bus/ to the Pitstop. That will prob make them even later than Dan/Andrew who have to complete the Speedbump. Not to mention if there is a U-turn to contend with...
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: patlini on November 24, 2008, 09:18:26 PM
though we know that there is a 2nd placing team in between nick/starr and ken/tina

Toni/Dallas surely

Dandrew couldn't have caught up and done all tasks and the speed bump, they're racing skills just aren't up to it!!!

maybe the interview at the mansion is discussing all their mistakes, shoes, passports etc etc
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: asamber1 on November 24, 2008, 09:52:13 PM
Nick and Starr -First Place

Ken and Tina mess up, allowing Dandrew to pass
Dandrew-Second
Kentina: Third

Toni and Dallas: DNF.  There is no way the race will allow them to finish the leg without a passport.  They are not going to be like "oh thats no big deal, just keep going on with the leg", Toni and Dallas are going to have to search all over for their passports, which they will not find and never even make it to the matt.  They will be taken out mid leg, prob only appear at the end to be eliminated. 

Dallas always was a moron.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 24, 2008, 09:54:56 PM
Nick and Starr -First Place

Ken and Tina mess up, allowing Dandrew to pass
Dandrew-Second
Kentina: Third

Toni and Dallas: DNF.  There is no way the race will allow them to finish the leg without a passport.  They are not going to be like "oh thats no big deal, just keep going on with the leg", Toni and Dallas are going to have to search all over for their passports, which they will not find and never even make it to the matt.  They will be taken out mid leg, prob only appear at the end to be eliminated. 

Dallas always was a moron.

not really.....
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2008, 10:04:49 PM
?
though we know that there is a 2nd placing team in between nick/starr and ken/tina

Toni/Dallas surely

Dandrew couldn't have caught up and done all tasks and the speed bump, they're racing skills just aren't up to it!!!

maybe the interview at the mansion is discussing all their mistakes, shoes, passports etc etc

Well we think we know there is a second place team:

"we couldn't see the 2nd team--we were too far away..."

But this is what is driving us nuts...

The mistake prevents the team from joining their fellow racers at the final mat. So why would we see Dan/Andrew there at all if it was them?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: patlini on November 24, 2008, 10:09:51 PM
maybe they arrive at the location but are too late for the final mat - doubtful but i'm clinging at straws
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: AbbyNormal on November 24, 2008, 10:14:00 PM
?
though we know that there is a 2nd placing team in between nick/starr and ken/tina

Toni/Dallas surely

Dandrew couldn't have caught up and done all tasks and the speed bump, they're racing skills just aren't up to it!!!

maybe the interview at the mansion is discussing all their mistakes, shoes, passports etc etc

Well we think we know there is a second place team:

"we couldn't see the 2nd team--we were too far away..."

But this is what is driving us nuts...

The mistake prevents the team from joining their fellow racers at the final mat. So why would we see Dan/Andrew there at all if it was them?

I put this in another thread, but the word that keeps jumping out at me is ULTIMATELY. To me it sounds like the team is not immediately eliminated. I'm starting to think Dan/Andrew are eliminated next but the team with the lost passports can't get their replacements in time, and the race comes down to 2 teams (Ken and Tina being one of them). Dan and Andrew would then be used as decoys in Portland.

*Disclaimer: I REALLLY want Dan and Andrew gone, so I am going on wishful thinking at this point.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Hooky on November 24, 2008, 10:31:49 PM
?
though we know that there is a 2nd placing team in between nick/starr and ken/tina

Toni/Dallas surely

Dandrew couldn't have caught up and done all tasks and the speed bump, they're racing skills just aren't up to it!!!

maybe the interview at the mansion is discussing all their mistakes, shoes, passports etc etc

Well we think we know there is a second place team:

"we couldn't see the 2nd team--we were too far away..."

But this is what is driving us nuts...

The mistake prevents the team from joining their fellow racers at the final mat. So why would we see Dan/Andrew there at all if it was them?

I put this in another thread, but the word that keeps jumping out at me is ULTIMATELY. To me it sounds like the team is not immediately eliminated. I'm starting to think Dan/Andrew are eliminated next but the team with the lost passports can't get their replacements in time, and the race comes down to 2 teams (Ken and Tina being one of them). Dan and Andrew would then be used as decoys in Portland.

*Disclaimer: I REALLLY want Dan and Andrew gone, so I am going on wishful thinking at this point.

One possibility is that Toni & Dallas lose their passports, etc. and finish 2nd. Andrew & Dan are eliminated. They are farther away from the finish line than the two other eliminated decoy teams: Terence & Sarah (who in my opinion are the "very fit" ones), and Kelly & Christy. Because of this, they act as decoys two hours after the finish. Toni & Dallas are in f3 but can't race and are not at the finish line.

But then that would mean that Andrew & Dan wouldn't be at the finish line either, so I don't know what to think. :duno:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: asamber1 on November 24, 2008, 10:49:25 PM
Nick and Starr -First Place

Ken and Tina mess up, allowing Dandrew to pass
Dandrew-Second
Kentina: Third

Toni and Dallas: DNF.  There is no way the race will allow them to finish the leg without a passport.  They are not going to be like "oh thats no big deal, just keep going on with the leg", Toni and Dallas are going to have to search all over for their passports, which they will not find and never even make it to the matt.  They will be taken out mid leg, prob only appear at the end to be eliminated. 

Dallas always was a moron.

not really.....

Eh to you, but to me not knowing where New Zealand, Cambodia, and India are qualifies one to be a moron.

And again how are Toni and Dallas getting to the pit stop before anyone.  What are they going to just stop looking for their passports after an hour, and say "no passports, no big deal, lets keep going", they are going to have to keep looking for their passports, and because they dont find them, they prob never move on in the leg.

Just image

"oh Passports, who needs those, lets keep racing".  And again its not like Dandrew's shoes its not like they can just check in without passports and be able to move on.  Those are kind of necessary.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2008, 10:53:30 PM
though we know that there is a 2nd placing team in between nick/starr and ken/tina

Toni/Dallas surely

Dandrew couldn't have caught up and done all tasks and the speed bump, they're racing skills just aren't up to it!!!

maybe the interview at the mansion is discussing all their mistakes, shoes, passports etc etc
maybe they arrive at the location but are too late for the final mat - doubtful but i'm clinging at straws
*puddin clings to patlini's straws  :colors :manicure :ya3:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 24, 2008, 11:06:03 PM
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Eh to you, but to me not knowing where New Zealand, Cambodia, and India are qualifies one to be a moron.

oh the irony.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 24, 2008, 11:51:58 PM
I have looked at the preview of next weeks episode till I am blue in the face. The one after last night's episode, not the longer version online. They have one 3-4 second pic of Dallas and Toni at a route marker with very sad faces. Dallas is holding a clue and I cant tell if Toni has the fanny pack around her waist. You dont see Dallas talking, when they shoot Toni you hear Dallas. Whether it is a live comment or a voice over, I cant tell. But he says, "We have nothing"

I went back and watched the last three episodes........and she always had that fanny pack on her waist, in front. The one time she didnt have it around her waist, it was hanging around her neck at the mongol/eagle route marker. Can any of you fancy people see if she has it on in that short clip. My eyes are not that quick.

I am assuming that in the next episode, that they go to the submarine to get a route marker sending them to the detour in downtown Moscow.......after that.......they make there way to the roadblock. At the roadblock, as Dallas is wandering around the statues, Toni does a cameo. She is very cheerful and happy talking about the education she bought for Dallas. Ken and Starr are sitting right behind her on a bench. So I would think that after the roadblock is completed they get the clue to go to the Pit Stop. I would think if they lost their passports anywhere before the roadblock, she would not be happy. In the background, Ken and Starr do not look very happy......or maybe just tried and stressed. Anyway, if this scenario is true, they could make their way to the Pit Stop without either money or passports. It would just probably be a long walk. In the preview, they have their backpacks, so I hope they didnt get robbed on the street. I wouldnt think they would with a camera crew following them, but you never know.  If they were robbed, that would explain why they didnt spend a lot of time looking for them.....and just walked to the Pit Stop.

Also, dont they send people off the mat to the side......if another team is approaching? That might explain why Starr/Nick were sitting there......but I would have thought that Robynn would have noticed the second team coming.

Well thanks for letting this newb post my thoughts.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 12:03:28 AM
That's a great idea--follow the fanny pack! :jumpy:

I was a bit perplexed about the "holding area" myself as that seems a little unusual in my experience.

Here is what she replied to my Q's:

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also, once the team came through they went to a holding area where they sat in a circle of chairs. they were the only ones there


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it's just a holding area with a circle of chairs. they were drinking water and waited for quite a long time. at least an hour, then we left.

One of the probs is that our source was not right at the Mat the whole time. They wandered, having their own tour, visiting the exhibitions for a couple of hours so a team could easily have come thru while they weren't there.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 25, 2008, 12:13:12 AM
Me?  I'm just thankful that your source did not get video of these two arriving at the mat in Moscow.

It would have been agony to know that these past weeks.   :pull :pull

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/004011-24-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 12:15:28 AM
So where is that shot taken? Those light poles look familiar, lol!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 25, 2008, 12:40:14 AM

Can any of you fancy people see if she has it on in that short clip. My eyes are not that quick.



Thats not what I really meant. What I meant to say was..........If any of you people with fancy gizmos to do a screen capture of that TV preview from Sunday night. I "think" Toni has her fanny pack, but her arm is in the way and I can't tell, because it is on there for such a short period to time.

My apologies.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 25, 2008, 01:31:31 AM
I dont think she did ?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 01:42:45 AM
You can't tell in that shot.

She normally wears it around her waist not over her shoulder:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013/Toni-Followthefannypack-aroundthewa.png)

And you can't see it in that preview, the shot doesn't show her waist:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013/Toni-Followthefannypack.png)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2008, 01:58:11 AM

Can any of you fancy people see if she has it on in that short clip. My eyes are not that quick.



Thats not what I really meant. What I meant to say was..........If any of you people with fancy gizmos to do a screen capture of that TV preview from Sunday night. I "think" Toni has her fanny pack, but her arm is in the way and I can't tell, because it is on there for such a short period to time.

My apologies.


Dallas is wearing it during the roadblock .......

and I agree, when Dallas says "we have nothing" its a voice over.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2008, 02:11:04 AM
Again, it seems to me the Roadblock comes first, the statues, that is why you see the teams bunched sans Dandrew.
We know the speedbump comes before the detours right?
Up thread Boingo points out the Frats are near Victory Park but is that where they pick up their speedbump or is that where they do the speedbump?

BVM: • As for the challenges, Another must-see detour: A by-train-or-by-bus scavenger hunt in Moscow
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2008, 02:32:34 AM
Boingos wonderful maps  :sucks
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3608/indexcac6tz5wwz8.jpg)(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17845.0;attach=111055;image)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 25, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
In the picture of DanDrew at the speedbump sign, it looks to me that the dance troop is in the background, maybe +/- 50 yards. The same yellow shirts and black pants as the later pic.

I looked back at the last three episodes and I never saw Dallas with the fanny pack. I know it looks like that is a fanny pack, but I think it is some kind of identifier for the racers. So the cameramen can keep track of them in crowds. Some sort of patch attached to the bottom of the backpacks. Something the cameramen can see in their lenses. I held an IA card for 20 years and it just seems like somewhat of a stagehand trick to me again. I think those pics from the Bangkok airport show backpacks with the same identifier on them.

Also, Toni just doesn't seem like the type of person to let her son take care of her "purse." I guess, to me, it is the whole single mom, head of household mentality she has. He didnt wear the fanny pack at the bakery or at the holi festival roadblocks, so why now?

Well I am going to go back and look at some earlier episodes and see if I see the same stuff. Thanks for the picks of Moscow. At least know I have the geography in my head.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Xarles on November 25, 2008, 03:23:12 AM
Regarding the puzzle that is making us all go crazy I want to comment on the following:

1.- Terms originally used: UNPRECEDENTED MISTAKE / (FRATS) THEY MAKE TERRIBLE MISTAKES
2.- Mistakes ARE NOT THEFT
3.- Mistakes ARE NOT A LOSS
4.- Mistakes ARE HUMANLY CAUSED
5.- MistakeS in PLURAL, Almaty: First, Moscow: Second.

Since the Frats EASILY left their shoes at the Puppet Theatre in Almaty, why not consider the Sub Exhibit or the Speedbump.

I'll take the Sub Exhibit: The Frats leave their Documents and Valuables at the Exhibit, the Exhibit closes for the day. They keep racing since they know where their stuff is. The Frats recover their D&V the next day later than the FRA PDX departure and are seen in Oregon at a much later time, thus PREVENTING them from being at the finish line, and they are sent as decoys and asked for a confessional later in the day at the Mansion, once the finish line set has already been taken down for the day. If shoes are not important for the race why should their passports be? M-i-s-t-a-k-e-s.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Xarles on November 25, 2008, 03:55:29 AM
Remember that from the very first reports from Portland, someone mentioned that "they were being sent" to Seattle?

If the Frats really misplaced their passports and recovered them ASAP the same morning of the Moscow-Frankfurt-Portland flight they could have come in the following flights through SEATTLE, NOT IN TIME FOR THE FINISH LINE, but in time for the confessional:

10:10 am Depart Moscow (SVO)
Arrive Portland (PDX) 4:50 pm Sunday
Duration: 17hr 40mn    Aeroflot-Russian Airlines 229  Northwest 33  / 5186
Connect in Amsterdam (AMS), Seattle (SEA)

They might have come through Seattle and maybe an extra crew was sent from Portland to Seattle to meet them at SEA-TAC, hence someone mentioning "they were sent to Seattle". This makes sense for the Frats's 6PM sighting... as decoys.

Of course this all means that I am betting on the Frats' elimination in leg 10, due to their slowness, inabilities, immaturity and of course, the speedbump... and maybe a U-turn when-where they felt comfortable to leave their passports?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on November 25, 2008, 07:58:10 AM
Xarles, I like most of your thinking. However the "connect in Amsterdam and Seattle" approach does not have to be for Dan and Andrew. It could apply to any of the other 3 teams just as well if they lost important documents they need to exit Russia and enter the U.S.. We know that Nick/Starr are capable of losing important documents. It would be easy for me to think that Ken/Tina could also have done so. I think Toni doing it is the least probable scenario, as she is the most responsible individual currently in the race.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Xarles on November 25, 2008, 08:53:42 AM
Adding to my speculation of the Frats -misplacing- their passports and only their passports... they were moneyless already and we don´t know if they were getting money for the next leg:

On E09 there's a confessional, taped in Portland, where they state: "I was not a fan of buying the shoes".

Why so many explanations if they were not the "mistake experts"? Why if they were with the pack? Why if they were the winners? God forbid. Why in Portland? Why that late?

Here is my speculation:

During leg 10 the Frats misplace/forget/abandon their documents, as they are not worried for the money since there is none or little. Then, after the speedbump, they arrive last, way behind as they had been back somewhere to pick up their documents after they figured out they didn't have them,  they get eliminated, then they, again, go back looking for their passports, find them or realize where did they leave them, but the place (where they left them) won't open until next morning.

They were so late to the pitstop that our Moscow informant missed them and second place went to Toni and Dallas.

F3 depart Moscow at 7AM on next day to Portalnd, Frats are not in the F3 but attention is at how will they get out of Russia to join the rest at the finish line since they don't have their documents.

After or during the final episode (E11) BVM has to let us know if any left-behinds arrive safely back in the US and that's why they are taped late in the evening at the Mansion, so we all get to know they came back safely and all of the explanations on how they lost their documents and how they had to take the Amsterdam-Seattle connection.

They might have been sent as decoys in the evening -just for confusing US on WHO had lost their documents-!

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 09:06:14 AM
I like that better than poor Toni/Dallas losing their stuff. I can't wait to see how it all unfolds.  :hearts:

And I have been saying for ages that someone ran decoy after the mat....  :yes: :angel:

Why is Andrew in an antique store scratching his head? ???  Looking for a clue on a scavenger hunt? Or a passport? :lol:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013/TAR13ep10antiquestore.png)

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 09:11:22 AM
And we finally get to see Chateau's Museum (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.msg302954.html#msg302954) used with a cluebox: gosh, was that REALLY 6 months ago?!

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013/ChateausMuseuminMoscow2.png)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013/Toni-Followthefannypack.png)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 09:18:48 AM
So we need this location for the Speedbump, right?:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_004111-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/004111-24-2008.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001211-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001211-23-2008.jpg)

It isn't the Victory Park fountain:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013/th_VictoryparkMoscow.png) (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013/VictoryparkMoscow.png)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: tory on November 25, 2008, 09:32:04 AM
JMO if this whole pass port thing was so hoorrabble that some one did not make it out of russa than i think cbs would have made a much bigger deal of it.. one team is left in russa blha blha blah, any way i hope it is the frat boys and that toni and dallas r still in the race i rember reading the post befor the race started and the pink spandx coment on a pretty woman stod out i guess some one thinks tina is pretty??? any way it was about a sitghting in portland..also there were pic of dandrew in portland. i don't nowhere isaw them but who ever posted them thought they were decoy pic's at the time.. also in portland.. :meow:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 09:33:51 AM
Yes, we know DanAndrew are in Portland by about 6PM.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: tory on November 25, 2008, 09:36:21 AM
so if they were elemated in russa could they have flew home early cause they were no longer raceing?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 09:53:07 AM
Nope. If they had all the proper documentaion, they still would have had to stay with the other eliminated teams acting as decoy (Christy/Kelly, Terence/Sarah).
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 25, 2008, 10:09:15 AM
Just to help with the sequencing, I saw that the frats are doing their Speed Bump when the pavement is dry and wet.  So, they have to be there just before the down pour hits Moscow.  And that places the Speed Bump before the Roadblock at the Sculpture Garden.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: tory on November 25, 2008, 10:15:56 AM
Nope. If they had all the proper documentaion, they still would have had to stay with the other eliminated teams acting as decoy (Christy/Kelly, Terence/Sarah).
not if it is the last leg when they do it they would b un able to join them being so far away and needing to get bk to the st's for the finaly pit. i am realy confused though about the comment one team is not at the final pit stop?? rumor or report???
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 10:26:35 AM
Tory, the last two or three eliminated teams run the last few legs of the race with the racers as decoy, they stay with them and often have the opportunity to do some of the same tasks.

I think we should take this over here though, where the answers to most of your questions already are: (see the first post for the answer to where the comment about one team not at the final pitstop came from)
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,16823.0.html

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gator27 on November 25, 2008, 11:59:59 AM

QUOTE:
now amazing race info for you guys:
 
the team that vanessa took a pic of was obviously the first. i can't describe the 2nd team. we saw them at a difference. but as we were leaving, maybe 4 or 5 hrs after the first went through, we bumped into a 3rd as they got off the monorail. she was blond and wearing spandex pink. she was yelling at the guy she was with and they fought over the right direction. she sprinted the wrong way, then they figured it out. it was pretty funny.
 
they also had a huge amazing race party that night at a hall at the back of the exhibition centre. it was all very secretive.
 
also, did you know once the contestants come through they sit at the side? i always envisioned them giong off to a hotel, but no they sat in a waiting area until at the one of the other teams came thorugh.
 
talk soon
 
robyn



Huge party does indeed sound like a wrap party.

However, key people, such as Phil must leave Moscow as soon as the last team arrives and is Philiminated.  Phil is trying to stay ahead of the racers so that he can film all the key shots before the racers get there.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: PennyLane84 on November 25, 2008, 02:01:32 PM
you guys do such a wonderful job... i cant wait to see the episode, im so nervous!!
thanks for a great season!!!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: AbbyNormal on November 25, 2008, 03:03:04 PM
Remember that from the very first reports from Portland, someone mentioned that "they were being sent" to Seattle?

If the Frats really misplaced their passports and recovered them ASAP the same morning of the Moscow-Frankfurt-Portland flight they could have come in the following flights through SEATTLE, NOT IN TIME FOR THE FINISH LINE, but in time for the confessional:

10:10 am Depart Moscow (SVO)
Arrive Portland (PDX) 4:50 pm Sunday
Duration: 17hr 40mn    Aeroflot-Russian Airlines 229  Northwest 33  / 5186
Connect in Amsterdam (AMS), Seattle (SEA)

They might have come through Seattle and maybe an extra crew was sent from Portland to Seattle to meet them at SEA-TAC, hence someone mentioning "they were sent to Seattle". This makes sense for the Frats's 6PM sighting... as decoys.

Of course this all means that I am betting on the Frats' elimination in leg 10, due to their slowness, inabilities, immaturity and of course, the speedbump... and maybe a U-turn when-where they felt comfortable to leave their passports?

I just realized something. If you lose your passport overseas, the big problem is being able to get back into the US.  However, you can have your passport expedited - but you have to pick it up (or have a courier pick it up) at a Passport Agency. Where I live, the closest agency is in Chicago. Guess where the closest one is to Portland, OR? It's in Seattle! Could our team that lost it's passports be flying to Seattle first in an attempt to pick up their expedited passports?

From http://travel.state.gov/passport/lost/lost_849.html

 For Lost or stolen passports Overseas, please contact the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate
How to Report and Replace a Lost or Stolen Passport in the U.S.

There are two steps required to get a new passport. First, you must report your valid passport lost or stolen immediately. This is required of anyone who loses or has a passport stolen. The second step is to replace your passport. Both steps and forms required are described below.

To Report a Lost or Stolen Passport:
Complete Statement Regarding Lost or Stolen Passport, Form DS-64

Fill in as much of the passport information as you can.
Answer all the other questions in detail.
Sign and submit above Form DS-64, Statement Regarding a Lost or Stolen Passport, to:

U.S. Department of State
Passport Services
Consular Lost/Stolen Passport Section
1111 19th Street, NW, Suite 500
Washington, DC 20036
Do not mail your new passport application to this address. In order to obtain a new passport you must appear in person at a Passport Agency or Acceptance Facility as outlined below.  
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: north09 on November 25, 2008, 04:12:25 PM
Ok, I doubt this is gona help with anything excpt maybe a time, but remember a while ago we had that photo of Andrew searching the hedges? Could be of use I guess.

How I see it, Andrew and Dan are eliminated this episode. They were seen in Portland by that witness who said "they certainly were not running". So unless they survive this leg and just give up at the end, I'd go with them getting eliminated.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 25, 2008, 04:22:04 PM
they did look very relaxed in their Portland confessional at the mansion, not dirty or anything, AND they were talking about how many mistakes they have made....
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: asamber1 on November 25, 2008, 04:34:07 PM
they did look very relaxed in their Portland confessional at the mansion, not dirty or anything, AND they were talking about how many mistakes they have made....

Yea they were relaxed talking about mistakes becuase according to spoilers they were way way behind the first teams into Portland.  They prob make another mistake in the finals.  And considering how late the spoiler says they were, they could even get interviewed the next day.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2008, 04:43:30 PM
Ok, I doubt this is gona help with anything excpt maybe a time, but remember a while ago we had that photo of Andrew searching the hedges? Could be of use I guess.

How I see it, Andrew and Dan are eliminated this episode. They were seen in Portland by that witness who said "they certainly were not running". So unless they survive this leg and just give up at the end, I'd go with them getting eliminated.

That was a blatant fake spoiler North, the asshole even admitted to it.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: tory on November 25, 2008, 04:48:57 PM
ty ty for the info.. the wrap party in masscow might have been for the crew?? jmo i use to work in tv station, we did not have wrap partys for our shows but the crews wrk realy hard and there might have been 2 wrap partys one for the crew and one for the racers and talent phillanater..  :tup:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2008, 04:53:23 PM
they did look very relaxed in their Portland confessional at the mansion, not dirty or anything, AND they were talking about how many mistakes they have made....

Yea they were relaxed talking about mistakes becuase according to spoilers they were way way behind the first teams into Portland.  They prob make another mistake in the finals.  And considering how late the spoiler says they were, they could even get interviewed the next day.

The next day? I hardly think so :lol:. There is plenty of daylight in Portland on May 14th ...

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17845.0;attach=111053;image)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 25, 2008, 05:16:18 PM
The roped off area.......a "penalty box" for not finishing a roadblock or taking wrong kind of transportation?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2008, 06:09:40 PM
The roped off area.......a "penalty box" for not finishing a roadblock or taking wrong kind of transportation?
Roped off because I think that Nick and Starr arrived before they were prepared for them, thats my opinion.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Belle Book on November 25, 2008, 06:16:17 PM
Well, it looks more and more like Toni & Dallas might not be the team who misplace their passports.  However, the Frat Boys could well be the ones -- they've made a lot of stupid mistakes.  Nick & Starr and Ken & Tina also made their fair share of mistakes -- but Ken & Tina were seen in Portland, so it's not them.

So it's down to the Frat Boys, Nick & Starr and Toni & Dallas (outside shot in my eyes).  I'm not saying who I hope loses the passports.

Belle Book
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2008, 06:26:59 PM
Speedbump done at Sokolniki Park i think .....

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2008, 06:55:37 PM
:yess:

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 25, 2008, 07:25:11 PM
Looks like a match and real close to the pit stop too.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2008, 07:34:03 PM
Dancers waiting in the wings ..........so all teams must go here to get a clue right?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2008, 07:40:09 PM
Looks like a match and real close to the pit stop too.
...... about 18 mins by car or Estimated: 31 mins by Metro
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 25, 2008, 09:27:14 PM
ty ty for the info.. the wrap party in masscow might have been for the crew?? jmo i use to work in tv station, we did not have wrap partys for our shows but the crews wrk realy hard and there might have been 2 wrap partys one for the crew and one for the racers and talent phillanater..  :tup:


When I first thought of this party as a "wrap party," I started thinking just who would be there. I guess you could count Phil and the racers as the "Tallent," but I just really put Phil in that class. The racers are, well, the racers. And by racers, I mean the final 3 and the 3 decoys. Then you have the production crew. Since they did two legs in Moscow, you have both of the flip flopping production crews in one place at one time.

I would assume that as soon as Phil is finished with his mat chats, he is off to catch a flight for Portland. I would assume that the production crew from Moscow leg 1 is set to leave later that night also with the 3 eliminated teams. I think Phil would be alone or maybe with one asst, but the rest would be on other flights, so they arrive in Portland earlier than the racers, and probably coming from a domestic airport like NYC or Chicago.

I just thought with most of them having been running around the world for the last 3 weeks, it would probably be the last time they were all together by themselves for a little camraderie, crew and "cast". When they get back, there will be other people around that
did not share in the experience. Not really all that important anyway. Just the wonderings of an old stagehand.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 09:35:17 PM
I think it is also possible that this was just the Pitstop itself, not really a party.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 09:42:47 PM
Oh NICE JOB puddin on the Speedbump location!!  :jumpy: :hearts: :jumpy:

Definite match!  :yess:

Now if Boingo will just stick a placemark in there somewhere.....  :angel:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 25, 2008, 10:04:04 PM
Is this new? It seems slightly different from before--from CBS;

You're Gonna Get Me Killed
One team makes an unprecedented mistake on the road that ultimately prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line.  :'(

Racers hunt for Red October to find a cryptic clue. submarine task

One Racer's lack of historic knowledge stalls their race in the Graveyard of Fallen Monuments. Dallas?

One team falls behind when confused by Moscow's many modes of public transportation. Ken/Tina?

One racer uses Pictionary skills to communicate with their taxi driver.  ??
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on November 25, 2008, 10:47:58 PM
DrRox said
Quote
I think Phil would be alone or maybe with one asst, but the rest would be on other flights, so they arrive in Portland earlier than the racers, and probably coming from a domestic airport like NYC or Chicago.

This is subject to some analysis. It is possible but unlikely that Phil would be on a private jet to go from Moscow to Portland. However, since he would probably fly commercial flights, he must leave on or  before 220pm to be able to get there late evening. There are about 8 different combinations possible, but the best is:

SU321  SVO LAX  1630 connects with NW5136  LAX PDX  2040 2305
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 25, 2008, 11:12:24 PM
I am sorry. I didn't mean to imply he would be on a private jet. I meant that he would be going commerical. He just would be traveling alone or possibly with one asst. He would have to leave after the last team to arrive at the mat and with Dandrew......who knows when that will be. I was thinking it would have to be later in the evening....after 6 pm to even leave the pit stop to head to the airport in Moscow.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2008, 11:29:49 PM
This is what we have so far, I'll add when we get new things or things that I missed, lol

thanks as always to the TAR Detectives  :jam:
           
Clues:


ONE TEAM MAKES AN UNPRECEDENTED MISTAKE ON THE ROAD THAT COSTS THEM DEARLY, WHILE ANOTHER TEAM STRUGGLES TO STAY THE COURSE WHILE NAVIGATING MOSCOW'S CONFUSING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, ON "THE AMAZING RACE 13," SUNDAY, NOV. 30 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK
"You're Gonna Get Me Killed" -
One Team makes an unprecedented mistake that prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line, while another Team struggles to make it through Moscow's public transportation system, on THE AMAZING RACE 13, Sunday, Nov. 30 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
 

You're Gonna Get Me Killed
*One team makes an unprecedented mistake on the road that ultimately prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line.
*Racers hunt for Red October to find a cryptic clue.
*One Racer's lack of historic knowledge stalls their race in the Graveyard of Fallen Monuments.
*One team falls behind when confused by Moscow's many modes of public transportation.
*One racer uses Pictionary skills to communicate with their taxi driver.
BVM: • As for the challenges, Another must-see detour: A by-train-or-by-bus scavenger hunt in Moscow

:bar:
*Racers hunt for Red October to find a cryptic clue. 
Slowhatch: The "Red October" stuff is of course fictional, but there's a sub/museum parked near Khimki (http://www.wikimapia.org/119049/A-submarine-with-a-museum-inside) to the northwest of the city. The Graveyard of Fallen Monuments is behind the Central House of Artists (http://www.wikimapia.org/137/Central-House-of-Artists).

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000111-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000111-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000311-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000311-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000611-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000611-24-2008.jpg) Travel by Taxi to Tushino park

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003011-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003011-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002911-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002911-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000911-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000911-24-2008.jpg) Taxi!!


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002911-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002911-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003011-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003011-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003111-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003111-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003411-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003411-24-2008.jpg)

:bar:


Chateau:It's probably been said already but Tina is getting wet outside the entrance to Gorky Park.  Panaramio (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/7562464)
Bonigo: :lol: yep, they are exiting taxis across from Gorky Park gate to enter Sculpture Park.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001411-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001411-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001611-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001611-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001711-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001711-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001811-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001811-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002111-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002111-24-2008.jpg) Nick steals Tina and Kens old taxi

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002311-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002511-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002511-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002811-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002811-24-2008.jpg) Splash!

:bar:
Roadblock
 *One Racer's lack of historic knowledge stalls their race in the Graveyard of Fallen Monuments.

 (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002011-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002011-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002311-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003511-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003511-24-2008.jpg)  (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003611-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003611-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003811-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003811-24-2008.jpg)   (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003911-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003911-24-2008.jpg)  Bulgakov’s flat and Sculpture Park. thanks to Chateau & Boingo 

:bar:
Speedbump @ Sokolniki Park       
   
 (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_004011-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/004011-24-2008.jpg)      (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000311-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000311-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000611-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000611-23-2008.jpg)  (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000911-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000911-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001211-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001211-23-2008.jpg) Dandrew learn a new dance move 

  :bar:
Detours       
 BVM: • As for the challenges, Another must-see detour: A by-train-or-by-bus scavenger hunt in Moscow     

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001411-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001411-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001911-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001911-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002611-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002611-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002711-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002711-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002811-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002811-23-2008.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/th_IMG_0683.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/IMG_0683.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/th_IMG_0681-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/IMG_0681-1.jpg) << thanks Matt, it's been a fun ride  :jam:



 ???

:bar:
Pitstop

May 13th All Russian Centre special thanks to Robyn and friends :jam:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/th_dsc06122-2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/dsc06122-2.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/th_team.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/team.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/th_p1010190.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/p1010190.jpg) First team to arrive, Nick and Starr
:bar:
misc~  

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003811-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003811-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_004011-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/004011-23-2008.jpg) Dandrew at Victory Park thanks Boingo

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002411-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002411-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002511-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002511-23-2008.jpg) No idea here, lol

                         
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: topaz on November 26, 2008, 04:43:25 AM
'You're Gonna Get Me Killed' --> I do believe Andrew might say to that quote because since Dan isn't a good marcher on the previous episode, he even can't dance very well, too and Andrew feared that Dan might kick his face while they're doing a Russian folk dance during the Speed Bump. :snicker:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on November 26, 2008, 09:22:46 AM
I am sorry. I didn't mean to imply he would be on a private jet. I meant that he would be going commerical. He just would be traveling alone or possibly with one asst. He would have to leave after the last team to arrive at the mat and with Dandrew......who knows when that will be. I was thinking it would have to be later in the evening....after 6 pm to even leave the pit stop to head to the airport in Moscow.

I am not sure I articulated my point properly. With only one exception(see below) flights from Moscow will not reach Portland if leaving after 220pm. There just isn't enough traffic across the Atlantic to send planes east to west in the early evening. Working backward, the latest flights that can reach Portland from an East Coast gateway city would probably be

CO784  1906 2227  EWR PDX  or  DL741  1915 1101  JFK PDX

So the next step is to find appropriate flights to EWR or JFK from suitable gateways in Europe like Frankfurst, Paris, London, Amsterdam and Helsinki as well as from Moscow direct. Gateways departures that can connect above after 220pm are:

LHR JFK  1515 1815  BA113
LHR EWR  none within Newark conect time
AMS to either JFK or EWR nothing
CDG to either JFK or EWR too tight a connection
FRA to either JFK or EWR nothing
HEL to either JFK or EWR nothing
SVO JFK  SU316  1555 1820

Since you can't possibly get from after 220pm in Moscow to London instantaneously to make the above connection, that can be ruled out. We are left with the Areoflot 316 flight leaving Moscow at 355pm to connect with DL641 leaving JFK at 1915 as the only possibility. That would give Phil another 95 minutes vs. the 220pm flight.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 26, 2008, 09:37:06 AM
I don't Know if this had been posted yet in this thread, but if you look behind Toni in both of the images we have for the roadblock you can see Ken and Star. I guess this is where they get passed by them?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003911-24-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: makz3d on November 26, 2008, 09:55:09 AM
I've watched the video of Nick & Starr up to the mat.  I've paused it a lot.

I seem to only see 1 possible hug between N/S.  Other than that they seem stiff.  This is totally unlike their other 5 first place finishes.  Things like fist in the air, many hugs,  jumping on Nick.  For 1st place finishes that aren't as important as Final 3 they, especially Starr, showed a lot of emotions.

I know a still photo wouldn't show excitement but the video doesn't seem to show excitement.  I mean this is the final 3.

Puddin, Peach or anyone else that communicated with Robyn.  Did she make any mention about the level of excitement on the part if N/S?

I have been thinking this for a long time that they look so stiff.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
Speedbump done at Sokolniki Park i think .....

 :jumpy:  Yay!, puddin finally found it.  Good job! ...and to think I looked there before... damn :ascared  :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 09:59:24 AM
 :lol:  Here's the latest leg 10 locations, just for you peach.   ;)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 10:21:52 AM
:<3 Boingo!! JUST what Maps needed! :ty3:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 10:24:10 AM
I don't Know if this had been posted yet in this thread, but if you look behind Toni in both of the images we have for the roadblock you can see Ken and Star. I guess this is where they get passed by them?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003911-24-2008.jpg)

Oh NICE NoluckBoston!! I don't think we had seen that, very nice indeed.

:welcome2: to RFF, glad you are here!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 26, 2008, 12:12:25 PM
Thank you!

Here is some further info on losing your passport in Moscow.

In Russia, the loss of a passport is a serious matter. Without a passport, a traveler can face significant difficulties with hotels, banks and the police. In addition, you must replace your Russian visa as soon as your receive your new passport.

If you lose a passport while in Russia, you must do the following:

    * Report you passport lost or stolen to the Russian police. You will need a police report to carry with you until you replace the  passport and visa.
    * Report the loss to the U.S. Embassy or nearest Consulate General.
    * Complete the Statement Regarding a Lost or Stolen Passport and submit it with your application for a new passport, together with Application Form DS-11, fees, and passport photos. In addition, please bring the police report and any photo identification.
    * In the case of a child's lost passport, both parents must appear with the child. Please see our section on Passports for Minors.
    * Once you have your new passport, you will need to apply for a new Russian visa.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 26, 2008, 12:36:54 PM
noluckboston, who gets passed by toni
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 26, 2008, 12:40:27 PM
From the thread, it looks like Toni and Dallas are the ones to get passed by. At least by Nick and Star.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: patlini on November 26, 2008, 12:42:33 PM
I don't Know if this had been posted yet in this thread, but if you look behind Toni in both of the images we have for the roadblock you can see Ken and Star. I guess this is where they get passed by them?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003911-24-2008.jpg)

Oh NICE NoluckBoston!! I don't think we had seen that, very nice indeed.

:welcome2: to RFF, glad you are here!

is that Dan in the background in the first picture
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 26, 2008, 12:49:36 PM
sombody already posted that,a nd yes that looks like dan
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 26, 2008, 12:50:26 PM
but dan is wearing bright yellow
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 26, 2008, 12:51:35 PM
ohh ur right, but coudnt they put on a jaket because it was raining like ken and tina
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 26, 2008, 01:01:22 PM
However in the splash pictures he is wearing a dark colour jacket.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-24-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 26, 2008, 01:03:57 PM
However in the splash pictures he is wearing a dark colour jacket.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-24-2008.jpg)

oh, then it probably is dan!
which means all teams are eqaulized at the roadblock  :'(
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 26, 2008, 01:05:51 PM
i just new that  :hearts:  :wohoo:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 26, 2008, 01:12:28 PM
metro

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001311-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001411-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001511-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001611-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001711-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001811-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001911-23-2008.jpg)

in one of those pictures there is that lady that is talking talking to tina i wonder what she said
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 26, 2008, 01:15:26 PM
Nice work on the park find Puddin!

Quote
which means all teams are eqaulized at the roadblock

That shot has them at the House of Bulgakov sometime after the the down pour.  The House of Bulgakov isn't the Roadblock.  The Roadblock is at the Sculpture Garden where Dallas has to figure out which bust is Stalin
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 26, 2008, 01:20:12 PM
so what's happening here then if it isn't the roadblock?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003911-24-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 26, 2008, 01:23:51 PM
“Bulgakov’s House”

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002011-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002111-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002211-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-23-2008.jpg)
it is a road block because the box is right there
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 01:25:49 PM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013/TAR13ep10lookslikeDan.png)

Looks like Dan to me!

Now this gets to be a puzzle since we know Dan/Andrew have almost no $$.

So do they beg some at the start of the race? Is production generous?

So teams go to the Submarine to get their clue, we think first, right?

Why are we seeing half of each team waiting here at the museum? Is the sculpture garden only part of the Roadblock? ???
Clue Box does not necessairily mean Roadblock but seems like it is from Toni's comments about Dallas not knowing his history.
From Boingo's map the musem and the sculpture garden aren't all that close together.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013%20MAPS/TAR13ep10locationsfmBoingo.jpg)

We have to assume D/A wouldn't be bunched here too if they had already done the speedbump.

So then probably the Speedbump after the Roadblock, to give D/A a chance to catch up during the Detour.

And Detour last before the Pitstop, right?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 26, 2008, 01:30:20 PM
I am sorry. I didn't mean to imply he would be on a private jet. I meant that he would be going commerical. He just would be traveling alone or possibly with one asst. He would have to leave after the last team to arrive at the mat and with Dandrew......who knows when that will be. I was thinking it would have to be later in the evening....after 6 pm to even leave the pit stop to head to the airport in Moscow.

I am not sure I articulated my point properly. With only one exception(see below) flights from Moscow will not reach Portland if leaving after 220pm. There just isn't enough traffic across the Atlantic to send planes east to west in the early evening. Working backward, the latest flights that can reach Portland from an East Coast gateway city would probably be

CO784  1906 2227  EWR PDX  or  DL741  1915 1101  JFK PDX

So the next step is to find appropriate flights to EWR or JFK from suitable gateways in Europe like Frankfurst, Paris, London, Amsterdam and Helsinki as well as from Moscow direct. Gateways departures that can connect above after 220pm are:

LHR JFK  1515 1815  BA113
LHR EWR  none within Newark conect time
AMS to either JFK or EWR nothing
CDG to either JFK or EWR too tight a connection
FRA to either JFK or EWR nothing
HEL to either JFK or EWR nothing
SVO JFK  SU316  1555 1820

Since you can't possibly get from after 220pm in Moscow to London instantaneously to make the above connection, that can be ruled out. We are left with the Areoflot 316 flight leaving Moscow at 355pm to connect with DL641 leaving JFK at 1915 as the only possibility. That would give Phil another 95 minutes vs. the 220pm flight.


So does this mean that Phil has to fly with the leaders of the pack to get to Portland?  That would work since he does not have to go to all the clue points.  They could have him do the standups later, after the finish.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 26, 2008, 01:33:04 PM
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We have to assume D/A wouldn't be bunched here too if they had already done the speedbump.

So then probably the Speedbump after the Roadblock, to give D/A a chance to catch up during the Detour.

But it rained during their Speedbump dance.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 01:41:38 PM
Quote
We have to assume D/A wouldn't be bunched here too if they had already done the speedbump.

So then probably the Speedbump after the Roadblock, to give D/A a chance to catch up during the Detour.

But it rained during their Speedbump dance.

It can't rain more than once? I am puzzled by this because I just do not believe that Dan/Andrew can do the dancing Speedbump and still catch up with all the teams at the Museum. The Museum must come first, imo...

Tell me again what time the rain came, please? And are we completely sure it only rained once? It sure looks grey still.

Is there a chance of any time shots?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 02:04:23 PM
Nice work on the park find Puddin!

Quote
which means all teams are eqaulized at the roadblock

That shot has them at the House of Bulgakov sometime after the the down pour.  The House of Bulgakov isn't the Roadblock.  The Roadblock is at the Sculpture Garden where Dallas has to figure out which bust is Stalin
I see, for some reason I thought they were nearby, thanks Chateau. Toni's voice over though standing in front of the flat .."I'm not sure if Dallas knows who Stalin and Lenin is ...."
So a 2 part Roadblock? something at the flats then they have to figure out where the park of sculptures is per web clue and what to do there ?
Whats across the street from the flats guys?

I should have known from Boingo's map ......
Park of Sculptures is located directly across the street from the entrance to Gorky Park and behind the New Tretyakov Gallery. From Metro Oktyabrskaya (circle line or orange line) walk straight down Ulitsa Krymsky Val and the park is on your right hand side.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 26, 2008, 02:06:32 PM
Not much sun is shining in Moscow this leg!

The rain was all done by 11:40 am according to this shot (it was taken in May 13th).  It was dry when they started the Speed Bump and there is a shot of wet pavement during the dance.

I can't believe that is Dandrew behind Toni.  Not because of 'looks like' or 'does not look like' but just because I know they have to get from Sokolniki Park down to the Sculpture Garden before going to the House of Bulgakov.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 02:15:03 PM
Not much sun is shining in Moscow this leg!

The rain was all done by 11:40 am according to this shot (it was taken in May 13th).  It was dry when they started the Speed Bump and there is a shot of wet pavement during the dance.

I can't believe that is Dandrew behind Toni.  Not because of 'looks like' or 'does not look like' but just because I know they have to get from Sokolniki Park down to the Sculpture Garden before going to the House of Bulgakov.
And if its part of the Roadblock, shouldn't Dan be doing it? Andrew can't do anymore right? and if it is Dan why is he just standing there?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on November 26, 2008, 02:24:14 PM
I am sorry. I didn't mean to imply he would be on a private jet. I meant that he would be going commerical. He just would be traveling alone or possibly with one asst. He would have to leave after the last team to arrive at the mat and with Dandrew......who knows when that will be. I was thinking it would have to be later in the evening....after 6 pm to even leave the pit stop to head to the airport in Moscow.

I am not sure I articulated my point properly. With only one exception(see below) flights from Moscow will not reach Portland if leaving after 220pm. There just isn't enough traffic across the Atlantic to send planes east to west in the early evening. Working backward, the latest flights that can reach Portland from an East Coast gateway city would probably be

CO784  1906 2227  EWR PDX  or  DL741  1915 1101  JFK PDX

So the next step is to find appropriate flights to EWR or JFK from suitable gateways in Europe like Frankfurst, Paris, London, Amsterdam and Helsinki as well as from Moscow direct. Gateways departures that can connect above after 220pm are:

LHR JFK  1515 1815  BA113
LHR EWR  none within Newark conect time
AMS to either JFK or EWR nothing
CDG to either JFK or EWR too tight a connection
FRA to either JFK or EWR nothing
HEL to either JFK or EWR nothing
SVO JFK  SU316  1555 1820

Since you can't possibly get from after 220pm in Moscow to London instantaneously to make the above connection, that can be ruled out. We are left with the Areoflot 316 flight leaving Moscow at 355pm to connect with DL641 leaving JFK at 1915 as the only possibility. That would give Phil another 95 minutes vs. the 220pm flight.

So does this mean that Phil has to fly with the leaders of the pack to get to Portland?  That would work since he does not have to go to all the clue points.  They could have him do the standups later, after the finish.

Not necessarily, Chateau. It depends on when all teams get to the pitstop. However, since that has to be well before 2pm for Phil to make the airport(maybe they would charter a helicopter to get him on his way), I consider it quite unlikely that he would make that flight. The next best alternative is the 705am flight on Saturday May 14 with the final 3 teams. I would guess that Phil would be flying first class and the teams coach class. Once in Portland he has time to get to the pitstop and get set up, but he would find it difficult to get to all task sites. We should look for that on the Dec. 7 finale.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 02:24:29 PM
 :lol:  and just to confuse things up some more, let's not forget about Dandrew at Victory Park, in bright sunlight (and very low sun angles) probably early morning.  Since previous legs pitstop is so close to Sculpture Park, maybe they send the teams to get their first clue in Victory Park just to get them away from the other locations.   :angel:  Then on to the sub, and back to the sculptures, etc. etc.   :funny:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 02:32:23 PM
That too Boingo, lol

Could the teamates be inside the flat looking for something?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fakeplasticgirl/sets/72157602438786281/?page=4

(Matts photo below)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 02:37:11 PM
Where is that pic please? Could it be late afternoon instead?

Do we have any pics that show the sub as first, or are we just thinking that is the get a clue start?

Could that come later instead?

I either need a nap or some major caffeine--my head is spinning!  :iok  :lol:

arrrggghh! What "flat"?? You would think I had never read every single post here... :helpme

Back to page one...
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 26, 2008, 02:43:14 PM
Maybe what we are seeing is Dandrew arriving behind Toni.  Hence the hurried look? Although I will say he always has that, I'm going to hurl, look on his face.


Also,
I have gone back through each page and followed the Race Fanny Packs. They only team not pictured is Dandrew.  Please feel free to correct me.

Although this does not mean a team pictured with one can't lose it later.  :'(
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 02:46:06 PM
Where is that pic please? Could it be late afternoon instead?

Do we have any pics that show the sub as first, or are we just thinking that is the get a clue start?

Could that come later instead?

I either need a nap or some major caffeine--my head is spinning!  :iok  :lol:

arrrggghh! What "flat"?? You would think I had never read every single post here... :helpme

Back to page one...
Bulgakov Flat and the photo I posted is our guy Matt's. Sorry about that peach, lol
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 02:53:48 PM
Maybe what we are seeing is Dandrew arriving behind Toni.  Hence the hurried look? Although I will say he always has that, I'm going to hurl, look on his face.


Also,
I have gone back through each page and followed the Race Fanny Packs. They only team not pictured is Dandrew.  Please feel free to correct me.

Although this does not mean a team pictured with one can't lose it later.  :'(
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 26, 2008, 02:54:46 PM
Great,
Thank you.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 03:07:23 PM
No problem Noluck

while I'm here ..
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 03:09:46 PM
:lol:  and just to confuse things up some more, let's not forget about Dandrew at Victory Park, in bright sunlight (and very low sun angles) probably early morning.  Since previous legs pitstop is so close to Sculpture Park, maybe they send the teams to get their first clue in Victory Park just to get them away from the other locations.   :angel:  Then on to the sub, and back to the sculptures, etc. etc.   :funny:

Okay, is the pic you mean?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003911-23-2008-1.jpg)

That's near this, right?
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001611-24-2008.jpg)

And didn't we think they were outside the gates to the sculpture garden here?

Chateau:It's probably been said already but Tina is getting wet outside the entrance to Gorky Park.  Panaramio
Bonigo:  yep, they are exiting taxis across from Gorky Park gate to enter Sculpture Park.

So again, why do we see one half of the teams seated at the museum with Toni talking as though she is waiting for Dallas to do the Roadblock? ???

Maybe instead there is actually something going on inside the Museum, and we are just jumping to the conclusion that Dallas in the Sculptures is the roadblock. Or maybe I still need that caffeine. :pull




Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 03:10:53 PM
 :lol:  Nevermind peach, looks more like late morning at Victory Park.  Lots of shadows, so maybe y'all can narrow it down.   :umn:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on November 26, 2008, 03:15:40 PM
That too Boingo, lol

Could the teamates be inside the flat looking for something?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fakeplasticgirl/sets/72157602438786281/?page=4

(Matts photo below)
The only thing that has occurred to me is that outside that building could be the designated place for the Roadblock team member not doing it to wait for the one who is. Is this building anywhere near to the Garden where busts of Stalin or Lenin have to be identified?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: m8b1 on November 26, 2008, 03:33:38 PM
Just my opinion, but the man in the picture behind Toni looks as though he has a beard, or at least a goatee.

It really don't think it is Dan.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 03:39:00 PM

So again, why do we see one half of the teams seated at the museum with Toni talking as though she is waiting for Dallas to do the Roadblock? ???

Maybe instead there is actually something going on inside the Museum, and we are just jumping to the conclusion that Dallas in the Sculptures is the roadblock. Or maybe I still need that caffeine. :pull



 One Racer's lack of historic knowledge stalls their race in the Graveyard of Fallen Monuments
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: walkingpneumonia on November 26, 2008, 03:51:09 PM
Could they all be outside the Bulgakov House waiting for it to open?

http://www.dombulgakova.ru/ translated says:
Hours: from 13.00 to 23.00 daily.
In summer the museum Friday and Saturday nights until 01.00 ..
Entrance to the museum is free.
Moscow, metro Mayakovskaya st. Large Garden, House 10 (302 bis), by the Satire Theater, Theater Mossoveta, in the arc and the left, Floor 1.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 03:53:12 PM
Bulgakov's flat to Sculpture Park
Walking directions to Sculpture Park
4.1 km – about 49 mins
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 03:54:55 PM
Could they all be outside the Bulgakov House waiting for it to open?

http://www.dombulgakova.ru/ translated says:
Hours: from 13.00 to 23.00 daily.
In summer the museum Friday and Saturday nights until 01.00 ..
Entrance to the museum is free.
Moscow, metro Mayakovskaya st. Large Garden, House 10 (302 bis), by the Satire Theater, Theater Mossoveta, in the arc and the left, Floor 1.
Now theres a thought!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 03:58:21 PM
Okay, I'll buy Dan as not Dan, lol...

I believe Dallas in the Sculpture Garden.

I just don't understand why we see half of each team  all hanging out at the Museum-- ...  :duno: since it isn't right next door to the roadblock or anything.

Just FWIW: In the TAR 12 final 4 leg:

it went for K/V: Fly to india, get to newspaper point, get to Detour point, go to Speedbump, then go do detour, then roadblock then pitstop  and there was a U-Turn in there too....
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 04:14:50 PM
From Matt's photos... the other side of the flat

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/th_IMG_0694-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/IMG_0694-1.jpg)

and ???
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/th_IMG_0695-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/IMG_0695-1.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 04:28:26 PM
So we need more tourists photos inside Bulgakov's house/flat

just thinking .......
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 04:35:24 PM
haha from Matts photos the cat and then from the site, the cat in the flat

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Slowhatch on November 26, 2008, 04:56:44 PM
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So we need more tourists photos inside Bulgakov's house/flat
I can't help (I'm at a slower computer this week) but I think you're on the right track with Andrew's photo. Bulgakov wrote Heart of a Dog and The Master and Margarita; notice the mementos behind Andrew. Also, the arty shots Matt made with the black cat.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 05:00:50 PM
I just found this on the Museum site :lol:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013/Bulgakovscat.gif)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 05:08:09 PM
 :lol:  I vote Dandrew for the episode title 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'.  (just before they avoid getting run over by the truck)   :funny:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: AbbyNormal on November 26, 2008, 05:10:14 PM
Love the black cat.  :tup:

If Andrew is there, then the flat can't be part of the Roadblock. Could it be part of the scavenger hunt? I don't know why the other team members would just be sitting there though.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 05:22:33 PM
From what I gather the cat  resides in the house (huge cat lover here too  :hearts:)

So Andrew has one Roadblock left to clear that up ........my fault!
http://homepage.mac.com/yakc/tv/tar13.html
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 05:28:33 PM
The Museum supposedly has a gift shop but I can't find a picture...

That shot of Andrew looks like an Antique shop to me though...

Are any of these nearby? (the link shows them better...)

GENERAL ANTIQUE SHOPSTopA indexA-Z Index
   
 Action Books, pictures, etchings, china, bronze, decorative items, furniture
 21 Bol. Nikitskaya ul...Tel: 291-7509
   Tel: .............................................................290-5413;    Fax: Fax / Telephone:................................930-2245
Mo-Sa 11-19, Su 12-19; cc;  Pushkinskaya, Tverskaya, Arbatskaya; Map
 2 Bryusov per...Tel: 229-0610
Mo-Sa 11-20, Su 12-18; Eng;  Okhotnyy Ryad, Teatralnaya; Map
 6 Bryusov per...Fax / Telephone:292-9477
Mo-Sa 11-19; cc;  Okhotnyy Ryad, Teatralnaya; Map       
 Antiques on Bronnaya Street Russian 19-20C.
paintings, jewelry by Russian craftsmen, clocks, bronze, porcelain, small antique items, tableware   27 Bol. Bronnaya ul................................................................................................Fax / Telephone:209-1243
Mo-Sa 12-19;  Pushkinskaya, Tverskaya; Map       
 Antiquity   
Russian and European porcelain, furniture, pictures, jewelry, bronze, restoration of antiques and furniture   24 Petrovka ul...Tel: 209-3215
   Fax / Telephone:...200-5768
Mo-Sa 11-20; cc;  Pushkinskaya, Chekhovskaya; Map       
 Curiosity Furniture, tableware, pictures, porcelain, glass, diamonds, icons, antiques
   31 Arbat ul...Tel: 241-2381
Mo-Sa 11-19;  Arbatskaya, Smolenskaya; Map       
 Golden Casket   
Jewelry, baguette, engravings, silver, bronze, platinum, icons, crystal, porcelain   6 Arbat ul...Tel: 203-7666
Daily 10-20;  Arbatskaya; Map


Link removed due to possible mal-ware

Petrovsky Passage 
Shopping - Shopping Areas
Ulitsa Petrovka 10, Moscow, Russia
 
A beautifully renovated prerevolutionary arcade of shops, most of which sell imported goods. Some souvenirs are available, and there are nice cafes for a quick lunch. Ulitsa Petrovka 10 (near the Bolshoi Theater), Moscow.

pic: (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/trash%20later/PetrovskyPassage.jpg)

Bukinist 
Shopping - Antique Stores
Ulitsa Stary Arbat 36, Moscow, Russia
Phone: 495-241-3387
 


This is one of several antiques shops along the Arbat, a beautiful old street worth a trip in itself. (Bukinist is the name of about 10 establishments in Moscow—a holdover from Soviet times, when shops were given generic names.) Lots of maps and prints. Not cheap. Open Monday-Saturday 10 am-2 pm and 3-7 pm. Ulitsa Stary Arbat 36 (near Arbatskaya metro station), Moscow. Phone 495-241-3387.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 05:30:05 PM
Did anyone post this yet? I wish we could see more!

http://moscow.360cities.net/fs.html?lang=en&view=1&loc=streets_sadovaya10.p36
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 06:06:42 PM
Sorry puddin, I had it in my head that they could only do 5 each this time :groan:

I'm still wondered if that could be part of the scavenger hunt though.


Have we missed something? What is the first place Dallas says they have to go to here?


See--vern--o Toosh No Park? Is that where the sub is?

Doesn't sound like Sokolniki at all....

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 06:15:24 PM
Tushino park peach, the sub place ..http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5252079
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 06:35:14 PM
Thanks...off to add to the Maps!

Well at least we are sure of the beginning and the end, lol!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 26, 2008, 06:54:34 PM
In that Video we see Nick stealing Ken and Tina's cab, notice how he's all alone. Perhaps he's off to the sculpture park for the Roadblock?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 06:56:31 PM
 :tup: good ear peach.  looks like the frat boys are trying to hail a taxi after they complete their sub task.  note the apartment building in the background.  :yess:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 06:59:41 PM
 :neener:  only because I can, a view (from behind apartment building) of street where frats hail taxi after sub task.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 26, 2008, 07:02:05 PM
If you could stick those location map pins in post #177 on puddin's map in post #216......I bet you would find that all those locations are very near a Metro station.

The Moscow Metro is a set of spokes radiating out from the city center, with rings at several intervals. It seems to me that they started at the Leg 9 Pit Stop and then went in a counter clockwise direction to arrive at the Leg 10 Pit Stop. If that is the case, then the roadblock was first at Scuplture Park, the Victory Park, then Submarine, etc.....

The speed bump is close to the Train Museum and the Pit Stop for Leg 10. It appears to me to be a half circle of the city toward the west part of town, then the north part of town.

So it seems to me the sequence is   Roadblock, Detour, Speedbump.

The Detour is a scavenger hunt, so maybe they have to pick up something at each of these places and the teammates have to alternate going in and getting it???  I keep thinking of that paper wrapped box they got in Leg 9......I wonder is that has something to do with this scavenger hunt in Leg 10?  In the Submarine, we see Dallas and Ken, no Tina/Toni.   At that writers house.....we see the ones waiting outside for the ones inside.......just some thoughts
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 07:12:22 PM
There are some wonderful Interactive Metro Maps over here in MAPS! if anyone needs them:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15503.msg301650.html#msg301650
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 07:18:49 PM
DrRox, if the preview video is to be believed, then the first clue that the teams get at the previous pitstop is to travel by taxi to the park where the sub is located.  So sub is first.  Now, task at sub could be a "busy task" to get the next clue.  Then we are on to the usual tasks.  My guess is that they send them way outside of town just to get them away from Sculpture Park which is very close to the previous leg's pitstop.  Call it disorientation.  Probably what the Victory Park location is used for.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Belle Book on November 26, 2008, 07:19:53 PM
I've watched the video of Nick & Starr up to the mat.  I've paused it a lot.

I seem to only see 1 possible hug between N/S.  Other than that they seem stiff.  This is totally unlike their other 5 first place finishes.  Things like fist in the air, many hugs,  jumping on Nick.  For 1st place finishes that aren't as important as Final 3 they, especially Starr, showed a lot of emotions.

I know a still photo wouldn't show excitement but the video doesn't seem to show excitement.  I mean this is the final 3.

Puddin, Peach or anyone else that communicated with Robyn.  Did she make any mention about the level of excitement on the part if N/S?

I have been thinking this for a long time that they look so stiff.

Well, we all have known for some time that an unprecedented mistake occurs which ultimately keeps one team from joining the others at the finish line.  We also now know that one team loses all their money and passports, which is the "unprecedented mistake".  If Nick & Starr really were as stiff as you suggest, then perhaps they lost the money and passports and that's preventing them from being really happy about coming in first and making the Final 3.

Belle Book
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 26, 2008, 07:20:57 PM
Detour:

By train
1) Victory Park
2) Submarine
3) Bulgarkov House
4) Train Museum

By bus:
1) Swissotel Art
2) Church of All Saints
3)Red Square
4)Saint Cyril and Methodius Monument

It appears all teams took the Train Scavenger hunt to me.  After the last stop on scavenger hunt, go to Sokolniki Park and get clue to Pit Stop, but DanDrew has to do speed bump first.  That near Sokolniki Park is where most of the Olympic venues were in the 1980 Olympics that US boycotted. Good scenery to pass by in Moscow.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 07:30:03 PM
Detour:

By train
1) Victory Park
2) Submarine
3) Bulgarkov House
4) Train Museum

By bus:
1) Swissotel Art
2) Church of All Saints
3)Red Square
4)Saint Cyril and Methodius Monument

It appears all teams took the Train Scavenger hunt to me.  After the last stop on scavenger hunt, go to Pit Stop, except Dandrew, they had to go to Sokolniki Park to do speedbump.

 :angel:  ummm...DrRox, see my previous post regarding taking a taxi to the sub as per the first clue.  Sub can't be part of the scavenger hunt as they start the leg by going there.  One thing we all agree on is that Sculpture Park is the roadblock.   :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 07:33:08 PM
re DrRox's post:

Except that we mostly see them traveling by taxi, not by train OR bus...

And we know they have to go to the sub by taxi too.

And Chateau tells us based on when the rain came that the Speedbump is before the Museum and the Sculpture garden.

But I do think thinking the same detour using two methods of transport would be interesting. Too bad we see them taxi-ing around again. I think that one shot of Tina/Ken on the train/monorail is all we have that isn't taxi, right?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 07:36:04 PM
Nice one Boingo! I was wondering where the frat boys were going when they got drowned! :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 07:38:02 PM
....I think that one shot of Tina/Ken on the train/monorail is all we have that isn't taxi, right?

fwiw, that's most likely a tram that Tina/Ken are traveling on.  They are everywhere in Moscow.   :groan:

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 07:51:55 PM
:tup: good ear peach.  looks like the frat boys are trying to hail a taxi after they complete their sub task.  note the apartment building in the background.  :yess:
No one ever reads what I write (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17845.msg362018.html#msg362018) blahblah  :knuckles: .  :neener:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 07:58:49 PM
....I think that one shot of Tina/Ken on the train/monorail is all we have that isn't taxi, right?

fwiw, that's most likely a tram that Tina/Ken are traveling on.  They are everywhere in Moscow.   :groan:



Gman says its the subway :)
Oh commercial BRB!

The shots of Ken and Tina are not on the Metro (that's the Moscow Subway).  They are seen on one of the many buses or trams that run just about everywhere in Moscow.


Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 08:02:31 PM
:tup: good ear peach.  looks like the frat boys are trying to hail a taxi after they complete their sub task.  note the apartment building in the background.  :yess:
No one ever reads what I write (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17845.msg362018.html#msg362018) blahblah  :knuckles: .  :neener:

 :lol:  oh all right, we do read your stuff puddin.... there there..... you did good..... very nice...... it's just that  we're all so  :nut: around here all the time.   :duh:  so there.....  :naughtyd:

BTW, i like your monkey ....  :monkey
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 08:06:17 PM
....I think that one shot of Tina/Ken on the train/monorail is all we have that isn't taxi, right?

fwiw, that's most likely a tram that Tina/Ken are traveling on.  They are everywhere in Moscow.   :groan:



Gman says its the subway :)
Oh commercial BRB!

The shots of Ken and Tina are not on the Metro (that's the Moscow Subway).  They are seen on one of the many buses or trams that run just about everywhere in Moscow.




ummm... I believe gman is saying that the Ken/Tina are NOT on the metro (subway).... but rather on a tram.  ahem......  :knuckles:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 26, 2008, 08:26:06 PM
Looking at the shots of Ken and Tina

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001311-23-2008.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001611-23-2008.jpg)

I would say its a trolley bus. Looking at this web site. http://wafl3.org.ru/public.transportation/ (http://wafl3.org.ru/public.transportation/)
There is a small picture that has the same green bars and brown seats that are in Ken and Tina's pictures. Also, there seems to be to accordion style doors in the middle and towards the back. In the last picture, up above, you can see two hanging gear boxes that house those type of doors along the wall.

Here is a picture of the interior of the trams in Moscow
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Tram_interior_edit1.jpg/300px-Tram_interior_edit1.jpg)

I don't know where they are headed, but if its to the pit stop then the All Russian Centre says you can get there using these public transportation types to the main gate.  http://www.vvcentre.ru/eng/services/how_to_get/ (http://www.vvcentre.ru/eng/services/how_to_get/)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 08:35:19 PM
....I think that one shot of Tina/Ken on the train/monorail is all we have that isn't taxi, right?

fwiw, that's most likely a tram that Tina/Ken are traveling on.  They are everywhere in Moscow.   :groan:



Gman says its the subway :)
Oh commercial BRB!

The shots of Ken and Tina are not on the Metro (that's the Moscow Subway).  They are seen on one of the many buses or trams that run just about everywhere in Moscow.




ummm... I believe gman is saying that the Ken/Tina are NOT on the metro (subway).... but rather on a tram.  ahem......  :knuckles:
OK my bad and thanks for liking my ..........Monkey  :flirt:  :hearts:


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more.............
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 08:38:13 PM
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more ........
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 08:40:04 PM
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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 08:41:36 PM
No idea how this turned out!

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 08:43:38 PM
But we KNOW that Ken and Tina arrive at the Pitstop on the monorail because our source saw them get off there.

But nice research!

I'm staying out of the train/bus/tram/trolley car debate though, :lol3:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 08:48:00 PM
Is that the pitstop!?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-26-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 08:50:55 PM
Oh :hearts: puddin! I was hoping for something new!

But was that Dallas saying "that's crippling, we can't do anything without that"?? :'( :'( :'(

We know CBS likes to mislead us but, oh my.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 08:52:17 PM
Oh :hearts: puddin! I was hoping for something new!

But was that Dallas saying "that's crippling, we can't do anything without that"?? :'( :'( :'(

We know CBS likes to mislead us but, oh my.
I think its Dan but he could be talking about another team? I dunno?

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Alvin06 on November 26, 2008, 08:52:51 PM
Based on the proofs given, I believe that Ken/Tina rode the tram and perhaps (due to the "high prices" at Moscow), Ken/Tina rode the monorail to the pitstop?

As for the pair who lost both passports and money, it wouldn't surprise me if it's Dan and Andrew - after all, they are the pair who keep on committing stupid mistakes right. However, if they do make it to the finish line, and be hours behind (and not eliminated), won't this be hard for Phil to fly back to the US?

So, as of the moment, only Ken and Tina are safe with the losing stuff, as they are spotted in Portland right?

Intuitively, it isn't Nick and Starr who lost their passports and money, since we can see Starr whining about how they can get a taxi (and at the same time trying to get one), implying that they have money to pay for the taxi. She's just whining because no taxi is stopping for them.

That leaves us clueless with Toni and Dallas.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 26, 2008, 09:02:22 PM
Nick and Star

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001911-26-2008.jpg)


Could be at one of these two stations on the Metro.


Polyanka station

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/336908896_d563531333.jpg?v=0)

Or here

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/337911631_68ff925dfe.jpg?v=0)

Borovitskaya station
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 09:04:40 PM
Thats for sure metro ..

this I'm not so sure ..
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 09:23:24 PM
Thats for sure metro ..

this I'm not so sure ..

close, but it's actually the "horsey" at Victory Park and that's Moscow State Univ. building in the background.   :angel:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 09:42:23 PM
 :lol: not sure if it means anything NoluckBoston, but

Polyanka metro station is approx. .4 miles from Sculpture Park

Borovitskaya metro station is only .25 miles from Alexander Garden (Kremlin)

 :duno:   coincidence ???
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 26, 2008, 09:43:07 PM
peach, it sounds like Andrew or Dan talking about it being crippling, not Dallas.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 09:45:49 PM
Thats for sure metro ..

this I'm not so sure ..

close, but it's actually the "horsey" at Victory Park and that's Moscow State Univ. building in the background.   :angel:
   :lol: I blame peach :horsey:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 09:49:36 PM
peach wants to know what this "stick" is ?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 26, 2008, 09:57:10 PM
I think its just an illusion. I think he's holding onto the strap of his bag. In some of the other photos you can see this yellow line on his t-shirt.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002811-24-2008.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001211-23-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 26, 2008, 10:00:41 PM
is that Andrew's fannypack in the picture where peach thinks he's holding a stick?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 10:02:41 PM
is that Andrew's fannypack in the picture where peach thinks he's holding a stick?
I said it was his pack but peach says its a stick :lol:, just ask her when she comes back!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 10:03:39 PM
Actually its mainly Andrews shirt! lmao!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 26, 2008, 10:04:06 PM
yeah but you can still see the pack in his armpit area....
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 10:05:54 PM
Stick?  Stick?  I don't see no stinkin' stick!   :lol:   ..... don't make me get the stick   :knuckles:  now carry on....  :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 10:09:59 PM
peach is going to kill me! :lol:
anyway, why are the the tweedles standing at attention?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-26-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 10:11:09 PM
 :lol:  OK, what about this cluebox location.  My guess it's at entrance to Sculpture Park.  (those pointy things might be the amusement rides at Gorky Park across the street).  :angel:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 26, 2008, 10:13:46 PM
see where i circled? isnt that the fanny pack?

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 10:14:07 PM
peach is going to kill me! :lol:
anyway, why are the the tweedles standing at attention?

hmmmm... might be because Victory Park is a military memorial, and they are getting some instrucructions from a military person.....  OK, sounds far fetched.....  but "dumb & dumber" never fail to amaze me with their antics...  :groan:  :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 26, 2008, 10:17:47 PM
Thats Dan sayind its Crippling!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 10:18:53 PM
see where i circled? isnt that the fanny pack?
yes that was already said Michael, lol
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 10:19:21 PM
Thats Dan sayind its Crippling!
That was already said too!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 10:20:45 PM
 :res:  is there an echo in here ???  :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 10:22:12 PM
:res:  is there an echo in here ???  :lol:
I'm so done here! lmao!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2008, 10:24:58 PM
 :lol:  I'm out of here....happy turkey everyone... see ya Sunday!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: arcook on November 26, 2008, 10:43:50 PM
Hello first i am new here and this is my first post.

I went through alot of the old episodes.  I was paying attention to who usually carried the fannypack

Dallas and Toni. I only saw Toni with the fanny pack all the time..  So why now is it all of a sudden on the back of Dallas backpack.  And Is that really the safest place to have your cash and passports  carried on the back of you are much more likely to be pick pocketed.

Dan And Andrew the fanny pack  swap each others hand quite a bit.  And times where one or the other was carring it to the pit stop.  It wasn't always secured to the body.

Ken and Tina the fannypack also seemed to swap their hands alot.

Nick and Starr. I only saw Nick with it across his shoulder.  Always carried in the same spot.


The person who lost their passports and all their money may have not lost their fanny packs at all.  Someone could have been pick pocketed on any one of the many forms or public transportation.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2008, 11:34:39 PM
peach is going to kill me! :lol:

Yep, beating you with a drumstick!

The pouch is there, I don't know who said what and good job on the horsie Boingo, and thank you for the screencaps puddin!

I'm having some computer issues so y'all be good and don't let puddin tell lies about me!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!  :kuss:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 26, 2008, 11:35:47 PM
peach puddin told me that you hated me  :'(
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 11:54:40 PM
peach puddin told me that you hated me  :'(
  liar!  :lol:

Hey just because its Thanksgiving that doesn't mean you all get a day off! A few hours to eat and vegetate maybe but no day off!  :neener:

Happy Thanksgiving to you too Boingo and peach  :hearts:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Mrs Shrek on November 26, 2008, 11:55:48 PM
peach puddin told me that you hated me  :'(

Do you want a wooden spoon to stir the pot with?


....and afterwards the girls will use it to beat you up  :neener:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2008, 11:59:19 PM
peach puddin told me that you hated me  :'(

Do you want a wooden spoon to stir the pot with?


....and afterwards the girls will use it to beat you up  :neener:
  :lol: Mrs Shrek! Way to go!  :jumpy:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 27, 2008, 12:00:27 AM
 :lol:

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 12:07:21 AM
okay so ...it really is looking like Dan waiting in the wings

I don't Know if this had been posted yet in this thread, but if you look behind Toni in both of the images we have for the roadblock you can see Ken and Star. I guess this is where they get passed by them?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-23-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 12:13:50 AM
door is opened ........
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 27, 2008, 12:14:30 AM
are toni and dallas done when he is opening the clue, or are they just arriving?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 12:17:13 AM
Hes just opening it Michael
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 12:36:24 AM
From Matt's photos... the other side of the flat

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/th_IMG_0694-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/IMG_0694-1.jpg)

and ???
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/th_IMG_0695-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/IMG_0695-1.jpg)

oh DUH
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: makz3d on November 27, 2008, 12:42:31 AM
I think the crippling statement sounds like Andrew.

I feel that Andrew's making the statement after seeing the dancers for the speed bump.  Remembering the marching disaster in reference to Dan's inability to march Andrew realizes that the only way they can advance in the race is if Dan is able to dance.

Andrew probably feels that Dan's uncoordination is going to "cripple" their chances to finish the speed bump.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: methylc on November 27, 2008, 01:10:21 AM
I think it was more likely Dan who said "You're Gonna Get Me Killed" since he has already shown he has problems with "psychomotor" tasks or any of that sort, and probably said it out of confusion and frustration.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 01:34:34 AM
I think it was more likely Dan who said "You're Gonna Get Me Killed" since he has already shown he has problems with "psychomotor" tasks or any of that sort, and probably said it out of confusion and frustration.
:lol: I still die laughing when I watch Dan march! That video is gold!

maybe these frames are better ... (can't wait to get my XSP 420 from Santa!!  :yess: )

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2008, 03:06:10 AM
I'm so glad we got some new things to stare at, lol! Thank you puddin! :hearts:

Did anyone say that the B&W standing at attention Dan is holding the little package from last leg??
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: AmazingRace on November 27, 2008, 03:25:53 AM
Thats Dan sayind its Crippling!

I thought it sounded more like Nick..
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 27, 2008, 06:49:15 AM
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more ........

have you guys seen that in the airpot dandrew is whereing another shirt
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 27, 2008, 07:36:21 AM
It would really really really REALLY suck to lose your passport on the way to the airport to start the final race to the Finish Line!!!!

I was hoping they were buying tickets for that scavenger hunt, but it sure looks like they are getting plane tickets. Appears to be Dandrew and nick'starr.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 27, 2008, 10:52:39 AM
Aren't those airport scenes  from the last episode? It sure looks like the scene when they buy tickets at the Almaty Airport. It looked like the AIR ASTANA ticket window.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 11:12:25 AM
It would really really really REALLY suck to lose your passport on the way to the airport to start the final race to the Finish Line!!!!

I was hoping they were buying tickets for that scavenger hunt, but it sure looks like they are getting plane tickets. Appears to be Dandrew and nick'starr.

Aren't those airport scenes  from the last episode? It sure looks like the scene when they buy tickets at the Almaty Airport. It looked like the AIR ASTANA ticket window.
 
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 01:54:26 PM


Did anyone say that the B&W standing at attention Dan is holding the little package from last leg??

Maybe its the book that Dan has at the Flat cluebox ? Maybe Victory park is where the roablockers present their clue? Like it goes in stages, the Bulgakov Flat to the Fallen statues to Victory Park? This is where they meet someone to tell them their answers? Maybe the pretty lady in pink per Matts photos.
Andrew writing...


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(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/th_IMG_0738.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/matts/Russia/IMG_0738.jpg)


Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Dånooky on November 27, 2008, 03:16:02 PM
Hi guys, I'm a former lurker making his first post here. First of all I have to congratulate the clue crew (all of you) who spend time and effort in order to get info on the race, your detective job is excellent (undercover CIA agency perhaps??? lol), now my two cents.

Oh :hearts: puddin! I was hoping for something new!

But was that Dallas saying "that's crippling, we can't do anything without that"?? :'( :'( :'(

We know CBS likes to mislead us but, oh my.
I think its Dan but he could be talking about another team? I dunno?

Judging on the tone used to say it and supposing that it is indeed Dan standing behind Toni in the blurry picture, I think D/T probably figured they forgot something vital at that point (not necessarily their passports, hopefully just a clue?) and Dan was commenting on it. Also, based on the clips meant to throw us off from the unlucky team, I think it's neither N/S nor Dandrew. As someone already said N/S are just complaining about not being able to find a Taxi maybe like the previous leg, and IMO Andrew was just complaining about Dan's lack of rhythm. My objective and educated guess:

1. N/S arrive first (video poof)
2. D/A (see #3)
3. K/T (team lost in the public transportation madness perhaps?, arrived 3rd according to source)
4. T/D (refer to my comment, also no reported spotting in Portland)

T/D's a great team and I was hopeful that they'd be the first blood-related team to win TAR (excluding S8 obviously), but I honestly think the odds are against them.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2008, 04:37:09 PM
:welcome: to RFF cdfe88! And thanks for the nice words! :waves:

I'm scared it is Toni/Dallas too...  :'( :'(
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 27, 2008, 05:25:48 PM
I have questions about the Sub task. Why is it that we see Dallas all alone receiving his clue? Notice that Ken is coming in right behind him. Where is Toni?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000611-24-2008.jpg)

Then there are the photos of Ken and Tina running along side the Sub.  Is that Toni in the right hand corner running behind them?


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000811-27-2008.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000111-27-2008.jpg)

Perhaps this is a bunching point due to Time of Operations? I know people seem to  think this is the first part of the Episode. Maybe this is how Dandrew make up s much time to catch everyone at the roadblock?

Just putting some ideas out there.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 27, 2008, 08:52:39 PM
It will be because Tina and Toni are much slower than Dallas and Ken !!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: mswood on November 27, 2008, 09:06:00 PM
Happy Turkey Day to everyone.  I hope everyone is having an awesome day!.  Oh and I am drunk.  So Drunk.  Grey Goose, is really really good with turkey (oh wait, the turkey isn't even done yet. 
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2008, 09:07:08 PM
I have questions about the Sub task. Why is it that we see Dallas all alone receiving his clue? Notice that Ken is coming in right behind him. Where is Toni?



Small space? No room? :duno:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: mswood on November 27, 2008, 09:08:39 PM
I have questions about the Sub task. Why is it that we see Dallas all alone receiving his clue? Notice that Ken is coming in right behind him. Where is Toni?

Small space? No room? :duno:
Hiding her head in shame....  I paid how much for your college education!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2008, 09:14:24 PM
I wish you had paid! :lol:

That was actually NoLuck's  Quote, not mine...  heee.

So you have been drinking the Goose? But NO TURKEY yet? And it is getting to be dinner time out there...
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: mswood on November 27, 2008, 09:23:38 PM
Turkey should be done in about 15 minutes.  I had plained a nice dinner for myself and my boyfriend, and like usual without any warning I have a household of guests.  I needed the goose to be social.  Thank god I always cook ( you don't want to know how I almost spelled that) a thanksgiving for about 8.

Of course that was like 8 drinks ago.  I haven't drank anything in the last 4 months.  So today, the day, I haven't eat anything.  I am already toasted.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: mswood on November 27, 2008, 09:25:28 PM
Did you have a good night Peach?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 09:47:51 PM
Turkey should be done in about 15 minutes.  I had plained a nice dinner for myself and my boyfriend, and like usual without any warning I have a household of guests.  I needed the goose to be social.  Thank god I always cook ( you don't want to know how I almost spelled that) a thanksgiving for about 8.

Of course that was like 8 drinks ago.  I haven't drank anything in the last 4 months.  So today, the day, I haven't eat anything.  I am already toasted.
Have another for me mswood! Thats an order! How about a nice wild turkey with cranberry juice? :wine:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2008, 09:50:41 PM
I worked all day so no goose for me...and no leftovers either!

But I have something better than turkey....  Better than punkin pie...  on the way!! :angel:


Heee...mswood's spelling gets better after the goose! :lol3:

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: arcook on November 27, 2008, 09:52:58 PM
Is this the same submarine.

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1179/535998064_0be0ea08fe.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 10:11:36 PM
Is this the same submarine.

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1179/535998064_0be0ea08fe.jpg)
I would assume so..

Quote
Slowhatch wrote: The "Red October" stuff is of course fictional, but there's a sub/museum parked near Khimki to the northwest of the city. .
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5252079
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Slowhatch on November 27, 2008, 10:14:21 PM
 :waves: Go here (http://russianrambles.blogspot.com/2007/05/soviet-submarine_10.html) for some outside/inside photos.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: arcook on November 27, 2008, 10:16:43 PM
Here are some more on this page

http://www.flickr.com/photos/62264917@N00/504772495/

I was trying to find some hours of operation.

submarine museum b-396
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Slowhatch on November 27, 2008, 10:44:26 PM
Go here (http://www.museum.ru/M3089) and translate from Russian. The relevant part:
Quote
Operating hours: * 10-17, the weekend - Monday, Tuesday Warning:  Only excursions
 Entrance fee: * Adult - 50 rubles., The school - 12 rubles., Arte - free of charge. Photography - 100 rubles. Video - 200 rubles.

For production, though, they'll probably stay open odd hours.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 10:52:47 PM
Go here (http://www.museum.ru/M3089) and translate from Russian. The relevant part:
Quote
Operating hours: * 10-17, the weekend - Monday, Tuesday Warning:  Only excursions
 Entrance fee: * Adult - 50 rubles., The school - 12 rubles., Arte - free of charge. Photography - 100 rubles. Video - 200 rubles.

For production, though, they'll probably stay open odd hours.
Right they can't have tourists walking thru when Sean Connery err umm I mean the Captain is standing there waiting for the racers to give them the clue/whatever. I agree with you Slowhatch.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 27, 2008, 11:02:14 PM
To add to slowhatch

    Address: Moscow, Park North Tushino, in front of the house on 57 Liberty Street (supermarket "Kopeyka")
     Transportation: Metro Shodnenskaya, further 10-15 minutes walk to bulvaru Jan Raina in the Khimki reservoir
     Phone: +7 (495) 124-93-02, booking tours: +7 (495) 730-55-68 (for Russians), +7 (495) 730-55-67 (for foreigners)
    Hours: Wednesday to Sunday from 10:00 to 17:00, weekends - Monday, Tuesday
    Tickets: adults - about 4.5 euros, children from 7 to 17 years, students and pensioners - 2 euros.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: asamber1 on November 27, 2008, 11:06:13 PM
I keep hearing how nick and Star are not excited at the pit stop.

Maybe they dont come in first, maybe the Frat boys do. You never know.

How a team will just stop looking for their lost money and passports and finish the leg makes no sense.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 11:12:36 PM
I keep hearing how nick and Star are not excited at the pit stop.

Maybe they dont come in first, maybe the Frat boys do. You never know.

How a team will just stop looking for their lost money and passports and finish the leg makes no sense.
If you've watched the video..below you will see that when Nick and Starr arrive their cameramen did not even catch up with them yet so my take is that Phil has not told them yet what place they are in, they are still setting up the lighting and such....the video ends before we see the reaction in my opinion.

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 27, 2008, 11:22:39 PM
They might have to stop looking if they do not know where to look. Plus you know that the Race team at the pit stop will help you out. Better to finish and get a head start on the recovery

I agree with Puddin, it to hard to tell from that distance.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 11:30:06 PM
They might have to stop looking if they do not know where to look. Plus you know that the Race team at the pit stop will help you out. Better to finish and get a head start on the recovery

I agree with Puddin, it to hard to tell from that distance.
Are you from Boston or a Boston Rob fan? :)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 27, 2008, 11:40:24 PM
I am the real Boston Rob. That guy was from Canton way south.

lol and no I am not a fan.  :hides
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: mswood on November 27, 2008, 11:47:30 PM
I like you already. :yess:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 27, 2008, 11:52:48 PM
Thank you mswood.  :thankyou:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2008, 11:54:20 PM
I am the real Boston Rob. That guy was from Canton way south.

lol and no I am not a fan.  :hides
Oh well, i thought he had 2 fans now........damn!

I like you already. :yess:
  :blaster :bounce
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 27, 2008, 11:57:42 PM
Geez everyone is off topic, you should all model yourselves after me who NEVER GOES OFF TOPIC. gosh.

I know youve heard it all before -
So I dont say it anymore
I just stand by and watch you
Fight your secret war.
Although I used to wonder why -
I used to cry till I was dry.
Still sometimes I get a strange pain
Inside
Oh, joey, if youre hurting so am i.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2008, 12:07:31 AM
:elvis:

And if youre somewhere out there
Passed out on the floor.
Oh joey, Im not angry anymore.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: michael on November 28, 2008, 12:13:23 AM
 :sucks

i cant get that song out of my head!

and apparently this is how i'd look in 1968:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 28, 2008, 02:13:40 AM
hehehe.  :tup:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Alvin06 on November 28, 2008, 02:36:51 AM
I don't know if it was ever mentioned, but was it ever implied in any statement that the team "not making it to the finish line" is somehow a unique event?

If it is a unique event, then I guess it would happen that the 4th place team is the team to not make it to the finish line -> this is just an IF statement based on an assumption made above.

However, the most likely event perhaps is that the third place team (final ranking, not necessarily the leg's ranking) doesn't make it to the finish line, with Dan and Andrew as 4th place team and so far behind that their flight back to the US is the one through Seattle.

It is therefore down to Toni and Dallas for the team to lose their stuffs.

I'm sorry if all of these were already mentioned before. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gator27 on November 28, 2008, 09:57:14 AM
Hello first i am new here and this is my first post.

I went through alot of the old episodes.  I was paying attention to who usually carried the fannypack

Dallas and Toni. I only saw Toni with the fanny pack all the time..  So why now is it all of a sudden on the back of Dallas backpack.  And Is that really the safest place to have your cash and passports  carried on the back of you are much more likely to be pick pocketed.

Dan And Andrew the fanny pack  swap each others hand quite a bit.  And times where one or the other was carring it to the pit stop.  It wasn't always secured to the body.

Ken and Tina the fannypack also seemed to swap their hands alot.

Nick and Starr. I only saw Nick with it across his shoulder.  Always carried in the same spot.


The person who lost their passports and all their money may have not lost their fanny packs at all.  Someone could have been pick pocketed on any one of the many forms or public transportation.

Interesting thoughts.

Teams that share the task of carrying the fanny pack have a better chance of thinking the other member of the team has the pack.

A pick-pocket on the race would be unique.  If they caught it on camera, did CBS get the thief to sign a release so they can show him (or her) on TV?!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gator27 on November 28, 2008, 10:00:34 AM
It would really really really REALLY suck to lose your passport on the way to the airport to start the final race to the Finish Line!!!!


I do not think anyone loses their passport on the way to the airport (if that is what you meant).  Hopefully stating the obvious - the whole leg takes place in Moscow, so we have no need for airport scenes.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gator27 on November 28, 2008, 10:05:39 AM
I have questions about the Sub task. Why is it that we see Dallas all alone receiving his clue? Notice that Ken is coming in right behind him. Where is Toni?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000611-24-2008.jpg)

Then there are the photos of Ken and Tina running along side the Sub.  Is that Toni in the right hand corner running behind them?


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000811-27-2008.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000111-27-2008.jpg)

Perhaps this is a bunching point due to Time of Operations? I know people seem to  think this is the first part of the Episode. Maybe this is how Dandrew make up s much time to catch everyone at the roadblock?

Just putting some ideas out there.

Is the sub part of a scanvenger hunt Roadblock?

Usually each team member must be a certain distance (or closeness) to their partner.  Unless it is a Roadblock, Dallas should be receiving the clue with Toni
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gator27 on November 28, 2008, 10:10:05 AM
Happy Turkey Day to everyone.  I hope everyone is having an awesome day!.  Oh and I am drunk.  So Drunk.  Grey Goose, is really really good with turkey (oh wait, the turkey isn't even done yet. 

Hangover? :barf
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: abilify on November 28, 2008, 11:59:01 AM
Hello!  First, I just wanna say that I can't believe that reading spoilers could actually make TAR more exciting, but it does! Thanks!  :hearts: And my sister hates me now cos I can't stop talking about your latest discoveries and she doesn't like to be spoiled.  :lol:

Anyway, decided to delurk for a while cos I was just curious about these 2 photos.  Obviously, Dallas was in the process of opening the clue in the first pic, but was Andrew opening their clue? If that was indeed the clue Andrew was holding and he was opening it, that must be quite some time after D/T opened theirs based on the difference in appearance of the green door between the 2 photos. Dandrew's green door had something else posted on it (upper left) compared to D/T's, and that handle thingy was moved. I'm just wondering how much time had passed between those 2. Or were Dandrew finished with the task already when that was taken?  :duno:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002211-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001111-27-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 28, 2008, 12:53:16 PM
Hello!  First, I just wanna say that I can't believe that reading spoilers could actually make TAR more exciting, but it does! Thanks!  :hearts: And my sister hates me now cos I can't stop talking about your latest discoveries and she doesn't like to be spoiled.  :lol:

Anyway, decided to delurk for a while cos I was just curious about these 2 photos.  Obviously, Dallas was in the process of opening the clue in the first pic, but was Andrew opening their clue? If that was indeed the clue Andrew was holding and he was opening it, that must be quite some time after D/T opened theirs based on the difference in appearance of the green door between the 2 photos. Dandrew's green door had something else posted on it (upper left) compared to D/T's, and that handle thingy was moved. I'm just wondering how much time had passed between those 2. Or were Dandrew finished with the task already when that was taken?  :duno:

 :lol:  I think you uncovered a "grand conspiracy", abilify. (interesting screen name, I think I saw a commercial for that drug).

fwiw, the tan piece of paper mysteriously moves to the other door, and a new white piece of paper either appears or disappears.   :funny:  ummmmm...... not sure what this means..  :duno:   :groan:  Maybe it's a secret code... or maybe not....   ;)  maybe BVM is messing with our minds....  (:;) :angel: 
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: mswood on November 28, 2008, 01:20:41 PM
Happy Turkey Day to everyone.  I hope everyone is having an awesome day!.  Oh and I am drunk.  So Drunk.  Grey Goose, is really really good with turkey (oh wait, the turkey isn't even done yet. 

Hangover? :barf
Surprisingly no.  I feel fine, but I was sure I wouldn't.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2008, 01:27:13 PM
Hello!  First, I just wanna say that I can't believe that reading spoilers could actually make TAR more exciting, but it does! Thanks!  :hearts: And my sister hates me now cos I can't stop talking about your latest discoveries and she doesn't like to be spoiled.  :lol:

Anyway, decided to delurk for a while cos I was just curious about these 2 photos.  Obviously, Dallas was in the process of opening the clue in the first pic, but was Andrew opening their clue? If that was indeed the clue Andrew was holding and he was opening it, that must be quite some time after D/T opened theirs based on the difference in appearance of the green door between the 2 photos. Dandrew's green door had something else posted on it (upper left) compared to D/T's, and that handle thingy was moved. I'm just wondering how much time had passed between those 2. Or were Dandrew finished with the task already when that was taken?  :duno:

 :lol:  I think you uncovered a "grand conspiracy", abilify. (interesting screen name, I think I saw a commercial for that drug).

fwiw, the tan piece of paper mysteriously moves to the other door, and a new white piece of paper either appears or disappears.   :funny:  ummmmm...... not sure what this means..  :duno:   :groan:  Maybe it's a secret code... or maybe not....   ;)  maybe BVM is messing with our minds....  (:;) :angel: 


From Matts set, dated May 10th and the official websites below

(passes mswood a bloody mary :wine:)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gator27 on November 28, 2008, 01:36:08 PM
Hello!  First, I just wanna say that I can't believe that reading spoilers could actually make TAR more exciting, but it does! Thanks!  :hearts: And my sister hates me now cos I can't stop talking about your latest discoveries and she doesn't like to be spoiled.  :lol:

Anyway, decided to delurk for a while cos I was just curious about these 2 photos.  Obviously, Dallas was in the process of opening the clue in the first pic, but was Andrew opening their clue? If that was indeed the clue Andrew was holding and he was opening it, that must be quite some time after D/T opened theirs based on the difference in appearance of the green door between the 2 photos. Dandrew's green door had something else posted on it (upper left) compared to D/T's, and that handle thingy was moved. I'm just wondering how much time had passed between those 2. Or were Dandrew finished with the task already when that was taken?  :duno:

 :lol:  I think you uncovered a "grand conspiracy", abilify. (interesting screen name, I think I saw a commercial for that drug).

fwiw, the tan piece of paper mysteriously moves to the other door, and a new white piece of paper either appears or disappears.   :funny:  ummmmm...... not sure what this means..  :duno:   :groan:  Maybe it's a secret code... or maybe not....   ;)  maybe BVM is messing with our minds....  (:;) :angel: 

I do not think we have a conspiracy.

Comparing the two images, we have 2 major differences. 
  1.  The door is partially open for D'Andrew's photo
  2.  Camera angle is slightly different
Putting these two things together, we get shadows on the left door frame and the appearance that a "note" is missing.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Belle Book on November 28, 2008, 03:18:02 PM
It's not unheard of for the third-place team to not make it to the final mat, although previously it's happened only when a team gets so far behind that the other teams made it to the finish line when they're still in another place in the final leg.  In Season 1, Team Guido were in Alaska when the first two teams crossed the finish line.  In Season 4, David & Jeff were in Hawaii when Reichen & Chip and Jon & Kelly finished.  But I've never had a team that didn't make the Final 3 not be at the mat when the Final 3 teams crossed the finish line.

Belle Book
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: AbbyNormal on November 28, 2008, 05:55:50 PM
Hello!  First, I just wanna say that I can't believe that reading spoilers could actually make TAR more exciting, but it does! Thanks!  :hearts: And my sister hates me now cos I can't stop talking about your latest discoveries and she doesn't like to be spoiled.  :lol:

Anyway, decided to delurk for a while cos I was just curious about these 2 photos.  Obviously, Dallas was in the process of opening the clue in the first pic, but was Andrew opening their clue? If that was indeed the clue Andrew was holding and he was opening it, that must be quite some time after D/T opened theirs based on the difference in appearance of the green door between the 2 photos. Dandrew's green door had something else posted on it (upper left) compared to D/T's, and that handle thingy was moved. I'm just wondering how much time had passed between those 2. Or were Dandrew finished with the task already when that was taken?  :duno:

 :lol:  I think you uncovered a "grand conspiracy", abilify. (interesting screen name, I think I saw a commercial for that drug).

fwiw, the tan piece of paper mysteriously moves to the other door, and a new white piece of paper either appears or disappears.   :funny:  ummmmm...... not sure what this means..  :duno:   :groan:  Maybe it's a secret code... or maybe not....   ;)  maybe BVM is messing with our minds....  (:;) :angel: 

I do not think we have a conspiracy.

Comparing the two images, we have 2 major differences. 
  1.  The door is partially open for D'Andrew's photo
  2.  Camera angle is slightly different
Putting these two things together, we get shadows on the left door frame and the appearance that a "note" is missing.

 :duno:  I must be looking at something completely different. It doesn't have anything to do with shadows. There is a poster that is a tan color with a photo on it.  In the picture with Dallas and Toni it is on the right side door, over a window. In the picture with Dan and Andrew, it has been moved to the door on the left. I don't know what the deal is, but obviously the two pictures were not taken during the same time period.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2008, 06:20:11 PM
My take is Andrew has exited the flat/house or returning to where Dan waits and is writing something down...

look, mom has shed her white hoody ..
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 28, 2008, 08:45:31 PM
to work off of something said earlier this thread.

Why is it we see Ken and Tina running to the pit stop with no bags? Notice that Ken and Star have their bags on.

The only bag is the race bag on Tina. So did they leave them some where? Did the lose them.
Maybe this is the team to lose their money and passports. perhaps they were not keeping them in their race bag.

I know that there is some kind of Eye witness reports of a very tanned women in a green track suite in Portland. Without photo evidence could this lead be wrong?

I looked up the Moscow monorail today and found a picture of the interior.

(http://picturesofmoscow.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/moscow-monorail-vagon.jpg)

This does not match the pictures we have of Ken and Tina riding in some sort of transportation.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001911-23-2008.jpg)

I would have to say that what we are seeing is some other mode of transport. Tram/Bus

So maybe at the road block when they are taking cabs to and from the Sculpture park they leave there bags in a Cab. Like the wonder twins?  :hfive:

This maybe why we see them coming off the Monorail bag less.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: FLFan on November 29, 2008, 01:13:50 AM
Last night they showed an expanded version of the current promo.  In it, Dallas, Ken (with bag), Toni (with bag), Tina, Nick (with bag), and Starr are running practically neck and neck, in that order, down a street or sidewalk.  NO ONE has their backpacks, just the Amazing Race bags.  Dandrew are not visible.  This is clearly park of the submarine challenge since during the same promo they showed Ken and Tina running hard on the heels of Dallas with what I believe has been identified as the submarine in the background - no one has their backpacks either.

Later in that promo, no idea what sequence of events, they show Toni and Dallas running with their backpacks.  Andrew is clearly visible in his yellow ASU shirt running behind and to their right.   Although I don't see Andrew's backpack.   The other problem in this scene is that I can't see where Toni and Dallas have their bag.  It apparently is not around Toni's waist.  But it may be on Dallas since they are running with their backpacks.  Although they also show Toni carrying the bag while both of the are wearing their backpacks in another sequence.  Confusing and unsure of actual sequence and whether the Toni/Dallas bag is out of view due to editing or camera angles.

Susan
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 01:35:06 AM
Thanks for posting Susan :hithere:, was it this one? It's the only one I've seen so far..doesn't mean I could have missed one.

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: FLFan on November 29, 2008, 01:52:19 AM
Thanks for posting Susan :hithere:, was it this one? It's the only one I've seen so far..doesn't mean I could have missed one.




Nope not that one.  The one I saw played just before 10 PM.  Much expanded, with quick bits that I had to step thru on my DVR to see.  If you didn't step thru it, you missed that Ken and Tina were catching up to Dallas near the sub.  He was a vague figure in a red shirt visible for a split second in the promo.  You also could miss seeing Andrew approaching Toni and Dallas from their right rear.  Also in part of the promo, you can see that Toni apparently has the bag around her waist with both of them wearing their backpacks, but in another shot the bag is NOT around Toni's waist, but it is not clear whether Dallas has it.

Susan
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 02:02:55 AM
hmm well I recorded all night and didn't see the new promo so maybe it wasn't shown by my local station? but I'll keep my eyes open, I thought for sure we would have got an extra clip this week *curse you CBS*
We know that Dallas has the fannypack during the Roadblock, why he has it now, after the sub, I have no idea? Does Toni usually carry it? anyone know??
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: FLFan on November 29, 2008, 02:10:30 AM
hmm well I recorded all night and didn't see the new promo so maybe it wasn't shown by my local station? but I'll keep my eyes open, I thought for sure we would have got an extra clip this week *curse you CBS*
We know that Dallas has the fannypack during the Roadblock, why he has it now, after the sub, I have no idea? Does Toni usually carry it? anyone know??


It was after the Ghost Whisperer credits, but before Numb3rs started.  Pure speculation on my part is that the backpacks are "parked" somewhere while they do the scavenger thingy.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 02:20:41 AM
I'm looking now, I thought you meant last night as in Thursday, brb
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 02:28:24 AM
Well as luck would have it my station showed a St Jude special thingy with whats her name, Marlo Thomas after Ghost Whisperer so I don't have it, sorry.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gator27 on November 29, 2008, 06:41:45 AM

 :duno:  I must be looking at something completely different. It doesn't have anything to do with shadows. There is a poster that is a tan color with a photo on it.  In the picture with Dallas and Toni it is on the right side door, over a window. In the picture with Dan and Andrew, it has been moved to the door on the left. I don't know what the deal is, but obviously the two pictures were not taken during the same time period.

Oooppps.  :-[ My bad.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: arcook on November 29, 2008, 09:54:58 AM
hmm well I recorded all night and didn't see the new promo so maybe it wasn't shown by my local station? but I'll keep my eyes open, I thought for sure we would have got an extra clip this week *curse you CBS*
We know that Dallas has the fannypack during the Roadblock, why he has it now, after the sub, I have no idea? Does Toni usually carry it? anyone know??

I went back and rewatched alot of the previous episodes and the only person I saw having the pack was Toni.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 12:34:08 PM
thanks arcook
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 12:35:03 PM
finally a football promo ..

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 12:35:55 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000511-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000611-29-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 12:36:35 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000711-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000811-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000911-29-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 12:37:08 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001011-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001111-29-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 12:37:32 PM
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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 12:38:14 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001411-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001511-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001611-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001711-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001811-29-2008.jpg)


the end
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 29, 2008, 12:53:35 PM
episode tomorrow! yes!!!!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Slowhatch on November 29, 2008, 12:55:15 PM
They're bunched at the sub: HoO, maybe? (but no Dandrew)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2008, 01:00:21 PM
Okay :ty3: puddin! So we finally see a second teammate inside the sub, confirming a get a clue or part of the detour, anyway. Thanks Starr for peeking from behind, lol! Almost certainly the first task, get a clue only per previous posts.

So when we saw Ken and Dallas before, Tina and Toni just must not have made it to the sub room yet, right? And where are Dandrew?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 29, 2008, 01:00:56 PM
would Dandrew be doing a speedbump at the time the others are at the sub?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 29, 2008, 01:01:46 PM
It is pretty early on in the leg!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: FLFan on November 29, 2008, 01:09:07 PM
The pictures that you just posted are from the promo that I was discussing late last night.  Three of the teams bunch together and running without their backpacks and other shots without the backpacks including what I believe is the sub sequence.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2008, 01:11:49 PM
Thanks again for the head's up FLFan! And :welcome: here!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Boingo on November 29, 2008, 01:24:29 PM
The pictures that you just posted are from the promo that I was discussing late last night.  Three of the teams bunch together and running without their backpacks and other shots without the backpacks including what I believe is the sub sequence.

No surprise they don't have their backpacks on the sub task, as the space is very cramped (and possible security concerns).  They most likely left them at the sub ticket window/gate (which they are running from in the pix) as per Slowhatch HoO.  (Notice Dandrew have their packs after they complete the sub task in other preview pix.)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: FLFan on November 29, 2008, 01:39:09 PM
The pictures that you just posted are from the promo that I was discussing late last night.  Three of the teams bunch together and running without their backpacks and other shots without the backpacks including what I believe is the sub sequence.

No surprise they don't have their backpacks on the sub task, as the space is very cramped (and possible security concerns).  They most likely left them at the sub ticket window/gate (which they are running from in the pix) as per Slowhatch HoO.  (Notice Dandrew have their packs after they complete the sub task in other preview pix.)

That makes sense, also it appears that the sub sequence may be VERY early, if not the first task, since the shadows that are being cast as they leave the sub area are very long.  Also, they are still fairly bunched leaving the sub area.  So I am going to assume that the 3 teams arrive and have to wait for the sub area to open for business.  They run like crazy toward the sub all bunched up and then leave the sub area still bunched up.  Obviously Dandrew are just behind enough to not make the opening gate of the sub display or they are sent off to do the speed bump immediately.  I think Dandrew may be behind enough leaving the pitstop that they missing the opening of the sub.  It was hard to tell how long the taxi driver made them wait before giving up on getting his money.  Do we have a shot of Dandrew at the sub area so we can compare shadows?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on November 29, 2008, 01:47:43 PM
would Dandrew be doing a speedbump at the time the others are at the sub?

Kiwi and FLFan,
I would rate it as a high probability that World Race Productions designed this leg with the speedbump up front. The farther back in the episode it is, the more difficult it would be to overcome the approximately 30 minute penalty that it respresents. To give the team receiving the speed bump the maximum possible chance they would put it very high on the task sequence for leg 10.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 01:57:27 PM
Okay :ty3: puddin! So we finally see a second teammate inside the sub, confirming a get a clue or part of the detour, anyway. Thanks Starr for peeking from behind, lol! Almost certainly the first task, get a clue only per previous posts.

So when we saw Ken and Dallas before, Tina and Toni just must not have made it to the sub room yet, right? And where are Dandrew?
I don't think this is part of the Detour peach, its the first task to get a clue imo and Dallas tells us to go to the Tushino/sub so as he leaves the last pitstop, or am I missing something?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2008, 02:16:33 PM
I don't think it is the Detour either, I just meant that since we see two team members together we know it can't possibly be a  Roadblock as someone proposed.

So Dallas and Ken are just ahead of their women when they arrive at the clue room, and Dandrew are probably just waiting for their release from the PitStop since it looked by the lighting last week  that they could possibly have been  much later than the others.

Where is Chateau when we need him?? :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 03:08:43 PM






Nice work on the park find Puddin!

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which means all teams are eqaulized at the roadblock

That shot has them at the House of Bulgakov sometime after the the down pour.  The House of Bulgakov isn't the Roadblock.  The Roadblock is at the Sculpture Garden where Dallas has to figure out which bust is Stalin

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We have to assume D/A wouldn't be bunched here too if they had already done the speedbump.

So then probably the Speedbump after the Roadblock, to give D/A a chance to catch up during the Detour.

But it rained during their Speedbump dance.

Not much sun is shining in Moscow this leg!

The rain was all done by 11:40 am according to this shot (it was taken in May 13th).  It was dry when they started the Speed Bump and there is a shot of wet pavement during the dance.

I can't believe that is Dandrew behind Toni.  Not because of 'looks like' or 'does not look like' but just because I know they have to get from Sokolniki Park down to the Sculpture Garden before going to the House of Bulgakov.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 03:27:18 PM
:lol: yep, they are exiting taxis across from Gorky Park gate to enter Sculpture Park.
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17845.0;attach=111054;image)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 03:28:28 PM
:lol:  Here's the latest leg 10 locations, just for you peach.   ;)
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17845.0;attach=111093;image)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 03:35:54 PM
Don't mind me I'm trying to figure something out like if the speedbump is at Sokolniki Park then all teams had to go there because I just watched past speedbumps and all teams encounter the speedbump/cluebox to pick up their own clues nearby.

Just trying to sort out if the speedbump comes before or after the roadblock?before the detours? I always thought before the detours but am so confused, lol


Speedbump done at Sokolniki Park i think .....

 :jumpy:  Yay!, puddin finally found it.  Good job! ...and to think I looked there before... damn :ascared  :lol:
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17845.0;attach=111092;image)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 04:09:01 PM
Head to Tushino/sub
Slowhatch suggests hours of operation
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(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000011-29-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000011-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001211-29-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001211-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000611-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000611-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001811-29-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001811-29-2008.jpg)


The Frats leave the sub near/ after the downpour
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/index-3.jpg)

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 04:17:47 PM
teams at the flat which we think starts the Roadblock task ..

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003911-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003911-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002211-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002211-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003111-26-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003111-26-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 04:21:33 PM
I'm cooking in between here, brb
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 04:54:43 PM
Downpour at Gorky Park/ Sculpture park Roadblock

Nick: Tina and Ken are here
Nick takes their cab as they arrive so Nick is out of there first?
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001511-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001511-24-2008.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001711-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001711-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001811-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001811-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_002011-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002011-24-2008.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003511-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003511-24-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003811-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003811-24-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: makz3d on November 29, 2008, 05:00:57 PM
Downpour at Gorky Park/ Sculpture park Roadblock

Puddin, has it been determined if Dallas is doing roadblock before or after the downpour?  The 2 pictures at the bottom of the grouping.

I've been reading all messages but I don't recall anything about order for Roadblock.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 05:01:17 PM
now off to Victory Park? is this where they hand in the Roadblock answers? or something something  :lol:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_003911-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003911-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001011-29-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001011-29-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 05:06:04 PM
Downpour at Gorky Park/ Sculpture park Roadblock

Puddin, has it been determined if Dallas is doing roadblock before or after the downpour?  The 2 pictures at the bottom of the grouping.

I've been reading all messages but I don't recall anything about order for Roadblock.
Hell, I can't tell, lol The video is such poor quality
The ground looks somewhat wet ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzWPmxDrrtE
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 05:14:20 PM
 what comes next? what comes first speedbump or roadblock , roadblock or speedbump , speedbump at/before detour cluebox  :lol:


Chateau says the ground is wet dry  :lol:  there are puddles but it had rained earlier as well

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001211-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001211-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_001111-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001111-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000811-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000811-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_000411-23-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000411-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/th_004011-24-2008.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/004011-24-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 05:22:27 PM
If anyone wants to take a go at it then go for it  :jumpy: , were all ears!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Dånooky on November 29, 2008, 05:24:32 PM
Is there any clue on the time between Dandrew's and N/S's check ins?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: makz3d on November 29, 2008, 05:33:27 PM
Thanks for the link to the full commercial.

While Dallas is doing statues it looks like there's a small pond close by.  Also, Ken no longer has, or hasn't put on his red rain jacket yet while Toni is talking.

If the water isn't a pond then it's an awful big puddle.

I also think that maybe it's Nick, Tina or one of the frats that actually has the problem with the statues.  Maybe they just want us to think it's Dallas that had the problem.

Since Ken and Starr are still sitting there then their partner isn't done and they are still doing the roadblock.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 29, 2008, 06:18:11 PM
 i cant wait 25 more hours  :wohoo:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 09:40:22 PM
presents

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003011-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003111-29-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 09:41:35 PM
find the fanny pack.....

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002011-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002111-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002211-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002411-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002811-29-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 09:47:53 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002511-29-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002611-29-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 09:48:25 PM
video slowweddddddd down


Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 10:12:41 PM
Toni/Dallas with Dan with the Hotel Holiday Inn Moscow Sokolniki in the background...
Could they be running for a U-Turn?

Holiday Inn Moscow-Sokolniki

This is a highly recommended hotel with good access to Moscow´s city centre located in a high rise modern building. It is close to the Sokolniki Exhibition Business Centre and only a two-minute walk to the Sokolniki metro station
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 10:19:39 PM
So whos in charge of the fanny pack?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 10:34:26 PM
It's hard to say .....
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2008, 10:41:17 PM
Nice job figuring out where this is! I was lost, :lol:

Sokolniki--so would D/A still have the speedbump to do here? ???

Toni sure looks like she just kicked into level 5!

U turn is possible I guess, I was hoping we had just missed one!

I don't see the pouch on D/T I don't think--although earlier Toni had it in front of her...
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 29, 2008, 10:47:52 PM
Now that would be a kicker, one team knowing they have to do a speedbump with the U-turn sign in sight and one other team walking toward it. If that is the case, then if Dandrew gets there first......they can U-turn T/D and might even beat them to finish line after completing the speedbump, while T/D have to go do the other detour. Talk about a ending for the F4 leg.

Toni looks like she is still fighting, but Dallas looks beat already to me. Could just be, that we miss him starting to run too. He just doesnt look to excited  at that point.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 10:48:06 PM
Toni might see the Speedbump from a distance and think its a U-Turn?

I suck at maps  :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2008, 10:51:27 PM
Looks to me that at the sub Toni has the pouch in front of her...

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013/fannypack.png)

Still seems as though TPTB might have advertised the U-turn a little if we really were going to see it? Did we hear about it in the previews last time? ???



Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 10:59:24 PM
No peach we knew there was a speedbump U-Turn in La Paz because our nice blogger told us so.

Dallas wears the fannypack while hes doing the Roadblock/Sculptures then I think this is the last we see of them in the screenshots. This might also confirm the speedbump comes after the roadblock, before the detours?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2008, 11:15:46 PM
You mean the U-turn?

Oh that's right--but was it ever mentioned in the previews?

I still don't know what comes from first! I do remember that Chateau tells us based on when the rain came that the Speedbump is before the Museum and the Sculpture garden., but I don't know what to think anymore.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 11:23:12 PM
You mean the U-turn?

Oh that's right--but was it ever mentioned in the previews?

I still don't know what comes from first! I do remember that Chateau tells us based on when the rain came that the Speedbump is before the Museum and the Sculpture garden., but I don't know what to think anymore.

Yes! U-Turn! lol
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 29, 2008, 11:27:18 PM
This picture was taken between 9:49 and 10:47 am (assumes May 13th).

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001211-29-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2008, 11:38:46 PM
Finally! The maestro is here!  :hearts: :jumpy: :hearts:

Now maybe we can see if what comes before what!! :wohoo:

I have the sub first and the all Exhibiton center last , it is the "only" middle that has me puzzled.

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 11:41:52 PM
Maybe the sub clue sends them to Sokolniki and this is where they get the clue and Dandrew do the speedbump, that takes them to the Roadblock/Flat and maybe we see Dallas just opening the clue with Dan standing behind him because MAYBE Dan and Andrew U-Turned Toni and Dallas but that makes no sense because the U-Turn comes at detours not roadblocks

aye yi yi :pull ...so confused!  (:;)

We know the sub comes first, that we know, for all that matters we know the pitstop  :funny: ..its all the in between stuff we aren't sure of and then we have all those places on Boingos Mattys map  :funny:

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17845.0;attach=111093;image)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2008, 11:42:45 PM
Chateau is in the HOUSE  :jumpy: :jumpy: :bow:

:popcorn:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 29, 2008, 11:52:58 PM
Back from TG trip and a lot a catching up.  You guys were busy!


This shot was taken between 12:34 and 12:45 pm (assumes May 13th).

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/003811-23-2008-1.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2008, 12:01:47 AM
I'm with puddin!   :popcorn: :popcorn:

Isn't it great watching genius at work?  :yess:

Spell it all out for us please Chateau, puddin's and my head's are spinning from trying to sort this week out!



Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: pitt02 on November 30, 2008, 12:09:30 AM
In the extended previews, in brief shots of the Speedbump box it doesnt apear to be any U-turn signs by it.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 12:10:36 AM
Don't leave us Chateau  :dontgo: :hhello:!!! and welcome home  :bounce
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 30, 2008, 12:39:30 AM
This shot was taken between 5:00 and 6:30 pm (assumes May 13th).

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/001111-23-2008.jpg)

Notice the man boob?   :lol:  The one with the ice cream gives the time.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 30, 2008, 12:46:47 AM
So, I messed y'all up with my claim of the rain during the dance bit.  I now see that the soaking wet pavement is being danced upon by the performers.  So that was a stand-up shot for the task.  Dandrew were not there yet.  As we now know they were up by the submarine during the time just after the downpour.  Sorry about that.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2008, 12:51:07 AM
5-630? that is HOURS past when we have N/S arriving at the Pitstop by your times. :yess:

Did you ever get a feel for how much later than the others D/A were checking in last week? Even I could tell the light was later.

So the sub must be a big equalizer.

So hmmm....getting warmer.

moremoremore please! :hugs:



Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 12:53:36 AM
So, I messed y'all up with my claim of the rain during the dance bit.  I now see that the soaking wet pavement is being danced upon by the performers.  So that was a stand-up shot for the task.  Dandrew were not there yet.  As we now know they were up by the submarine during the time just after the downpour.  Sorry about that.
I actually was thinking that too Chateau, that the ground was very wet when we saw the dancers feet and etc
No need to be sorry, we like being confused :lol:
 ..............manboobs *hee
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 30, 2008, 01:21:28 AM
It's not fair to speed bumpers of the past that Dandrew's Speed Bump task is located at the same place as the Speed Bump sign.  They don't have to go 30 miles off to some distant neighborhood and back again.   (:;)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2008, 01:24:24 AM
So what's happening in Victory Park?   ???
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 01:37:10 AM
It's not fair to speed bumpers of the past that Dandrew's Speed Bump task is located at the same place as the Speed Bump sign.  They don't have to go 30 miles off to some distant neighborhood and back again.   (:;)

This means that the task should take a while to complete.

Kynt and Vyxsin's Yoga task wasn't located ridiculously far away, but took some time to do, but TK and Rachel's speed bump was located a fair while away but was relatively quick to do.

They design the speed bumps so they take a similar amount of time (about half an hour I believe) but they give the impression that a team is only disadvantaged by how long they let themselves be.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 30, 2008, 01:37:28 AM
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Did you ever get a feel for how much later than the others D/A were checking in last week? Even I could tell the light was later.

Ken & Tina's check in time was 6:30 pm plus or minus 30 min.

Dandrew's check in time was 8:00 pm plus or minus 30 min.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 01:39:41 AM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013/fannypack.png)


Can anybody see N/S's fanny pack in that photo?

A bit off topic, but I only just thought of it.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 30, 2008, 01:48:42 AM
So what's happening in Victory Park?   ???

Maybe they learn that they have gone to the wrong place.  They are standing at a place next to the street where a taxi would let you out.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: arcook on November 30, 2008, 01:49:17 AM
I can you can see it.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3028/3070537856_24d18f43dc_o.png)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 01:50:11 AM
I see it too Coutzy
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 01:52:26 AM
I suspected that might be it, I just didn't want to believe it because NICK AND STARR DESERVE TO DIE IN A FIRE (:;) *ahem*


And Kudos on the fast editing!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 01:54:28 AM
It's not fair to speed bumpers of the past that Dandrew's Speed Bump task is located at the same place as the Speed Bump sign.  They don't have to go 30 miles off to some distant neighborhood and back again.   (:;)
Even crueler to insert the U-Turn there so I don't think that will be the case. Another look at Toni and her reaction might be that she and Dallas did not see the cluebox but Dandrew did and shes letting Dallas know.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: makz3d on November 30, 2008, 01:54:59 AM
In the sc of the group running to the sub, on the sub and 1 off color sc of Nick running from the sub he has the fanny pack over his right shoulder.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: mswood on November 30, 2008, 01:56:58 AM
Thank God for Chataeu, and damn I wonder when the boys mange to get to the mat. What time do we think Ken & Tina get close to the MAt (thanks to the eye witness)?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 30, 2008, 02:07:16 AM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2013/fannypack.png)


Can anybody see N/S's fanny pack in that photo?

A bit off topic, but I only just thought of it.

It looks about the same in the shot of the teams arriving at the sub:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/000011-29-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 02:11:01 AM
This could of course all be completely irrelevant because the sub is a leveler so it would make sense to put it at the start of the leg, so my guess is all teams had their fanny packs at this point.

This photo also gives me the feeling that Nick and Starr aren't trying, I thought that Nick at least would be up at the front of the pack in a footrace?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 02:16:27 AM
Thank God for Chataeu, and damn I wonder when the boys mange to get to the mat. What time do we think Ken & Tina get close to the MAt (thanks to the eye witness)?

The picture attached is from Robyn's friends album, Vanessa so this might be Robyn and friends leaving the All Russian Centre before they run into Tina and Ken. Sadly there is no photo data.
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the team that vanessa took a pic of was obviously the first. i can't describe the 2nd team. we saw them at a difference. but as we were leaving, maybe 4 or 5 hrs after the first went through, we bumped into a 3rd as they got off the monorail. she was blond and wearing spandex pink. she was yelling at the guy she was with and they fought over the right direction. she sprinted the wrong way, then they figured it out. it was pretty funny.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002711-23-2008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002811-23-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 30, 2008, 02:18:06 AM
Here's my guess for teams' arrivals

1)  Toni & Dallas (sans fanny pack)
2)  Nick & Star
3)  Ken & Tina
4)  Dan & Andrew
5)  Toni & Dallas, again
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 02:18:31 AM

Chateau, oh master of the protractor  :lol:,  did we ever get a definite time on Nick and Starrs pitstop? and with any luck maybe Tina and Ken near the entrance....
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quote from Robyn:
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Yes it was the 13th. the first of three teams came in around noon-2ish. i don't really remember exactly, just that it was very early. It had rained all morning and the sun came out around noon.


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/tn1.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002611-23-2008.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002811-23-2008.jpg)


Hey Puddin, it's back here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.msg304188.html#msg304188)

I'd hedge it back to 4:00 to 4:30 pm.  I used the way there is a narrow line of light on the left side of the tall lamp posts.




Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 02:19:15 AM
This shot was taken here between 4:14 and 4:53 pm  (assumes May 11th).

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/tn1.jpg)

(http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/5760/indexcahkptodno4.th.jpg) (http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexcahkptodno4.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: makz3d on November 30, 2008, 02:19:59 AM
Could Toni's white hoodie help establish some type of order of events?

Reply 380  Toni at pitstop and running----No white

Reply 380  Toni talking----No white; at the clue box----White

Reply 393   Toni & Dallas ahead of Dan----White

Reply 394   Toni running along fence (only N/S)----No white    THIS IS RUNNING TO THE SUB

Reply 358   Toni running along fence (all but Dandrew)----No white    THIS IS RUNNING FROM THE SUB

Trying to figure how and why Dan is in a picture with Toni and Dallas.  T/D are supposed to be way ahead.

I'm thinking there's too many signs that do not look good for T/D.  I soooooo want them in F3.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 02:24:34 AM
By the look of those photos I gather two things:

1. Tina is clearly holding their fanny pack.

2. By the look of the cloud cover, Ken and Tina check in before any rain? Wouldn't the clouds disperse after a rain?

Looking at the 'scenes from the next ep' at the end of This is Studly, Nick and Starr's cab issue is in clear skies, and when Dandrew does the speed bump (after the rain we've established) the skies appear to be clearer than those two shots of K/T.

Maybe grab all the pictures you can where the sky can be seen and establish some sort of order based on what we know about the weather on that day?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 02:25:51 AM
Here's my guess for teams' arrivals

1)  Toni & Dallas (sans fanny pack)
2)  Nick & Star
3)  Ken & Tina
4)  Dan & Andrew
5)  Toni & Dallas, again

You think its when they arrive at the pitstop that they realize they lost their stuff? and go back looking for it? That might be the case but, I'll go with the reporter, Nick and Starr first.


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Staff Reporter

There was something about the way the camera crews were just waiting around that told me they weren't from the local Moscow news station.

And then there was the good-looking guy in the tan leather jacket talking in front of the camera. He seemed to be speaking English – unlike the Russian-speaking cameramen. And why was there a second crew 50 metres away, near a grand archway leading into the All-Russia Exhibition Centre?

Then it hit me.

"Guys!" I giddily turned to the seven friends I was travelling with, "I think this is The Amazing Race."

Within an hour or so the leather jacket guy – host Phil Keoghan –and a man dressed up in Soviet garb stationed themselves in front of a giant Lenin statue. Before long, a pair of haggard-looking twentysomethings, weighed down by backpacks, came barrelling through the archway. They were first. Hugs all round. And we were documenting it all.


Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 02:27:36 AM
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Within an hour or so the leather jacket guy – host Phil Keoghan –and a man dressed up in Soviet garb

Well I think we're all getting points on who the greeter is this week.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 02:34:37 AM
haha well you all have a good night :waves:

Thanks again Chateau  :kuss:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 30, 2008, 02:36:51 AM
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That might be the case but, I'll go with the reporter, Nick and Starr first.

 :neener:

I'm also going with the reporter ... on her report that Nick & Starr had to sit around and wait.  They may need to re-shoot the team numbers if Toni & Dallas get back with their fanny pack.  It could be that once you check in you don't get to go back to retrieve things (eg Dandrews shoes).   :duno:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 02:42:34 AM
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That might be the case but, I'll go with the reporter, Nick and Starr first.

 :neener:

I'm also going with the reporter ... on her report that Nick & Starr had to sit around and wait.  They may need to re-shoot the team numbers if Toni & Dallas get back with their fanny pack.  It could be that once you check in you don't get to go back to retrieve things (eg Dandrews shoes).   :duno:

That can't be entirely true because we've seen teams check in without their backpacks LOADS of times.

It's actually one of the things that frustrates me about the race.

I think they should put a rule in place that says you may only take stuff into the next leg if you checked in with it in the previous leg.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gator27 on November 30, 2008, 07:29:21 AM
Rules question.

What are the requirements for being able to check in at the PitStop?
- completed all tasks
- followed directions (on foot vs. cab ride)

? fanny packs?
? passports?

Interesting how sometimes Teams get a time penalty and sometimes they must retrace their steps.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gator27 on November 30, 2008, 07:33:59 AM
I believe this is obvious, but I will state it anyway.

For the lost passports and money to be quite significant, it would have to be a Team that did not arrive at the PitStop in last place.  If you are Philiminated (the first 3 teams did not lose their stuff) it does not matter (race standings wise) if you lost the passports/$$.

Or it could just be go promotion to get us all in a frenzy.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 30, 2008, 07:41:44 AM
Well it seems to me they have to go to the sub first. Because of HOH, they all get bunched and when the gates open, they run in, in the same order they finished Leg 9. DanDrew is nowhere to be seen. Probably a testement to how far behind they actually finished Leg 9. With them all running out of the sub at the same time,  in same order too, it make sense it is just to get a route marker.

When DanDrew leave the sub, it is either raining or just rained. When K/T get to Sculpture Park and N/S swipe their taxi, no rain yet there. After K/T finish whatever they have to do there and they go get a taxi, it starts raining, cuz she wants her jacket on...with a HOOD on it.

So to me, K/T are at Sculpture Park at about the same time as DanDrew are finishing the sub task. That means that T/D and N/S are in first and second and on to next task. I wish we could get a time on that pic of Dallas at Sculpture Garden, but it looks two cloudy. Or maybe a time when Nick it getting K/T's taxi. That looked pretty clear to me.

Well, what ever happens, in about 12 hours I can stop taking all this Excedrin.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: makz3d on November 30, 2008, 08:57:18 AM

When DanDrew leave the sub, it is either raining or just rained. When K/T get to Sculpture Park and N/S swipe their taxi, no rain yet there. After K/T finish whatever they have to do there and they go get a taxi, it starts raining, cuz she wants her jacket on...with a HOOD on it.

So to me, K/T are at Sculpture Park at about the same time as DanDrew are finishing the sub task. That means that T/D and N/S are in first and second and on to next task. I wish we could get a time on that pic of Dallas at Sculpture Garden, but it looks two cloudy. Or maybe a time when Nick it getting K/T's taxi. That looked pretty clear to me.

Well, what ever happens, in about 12 hours I can stop taking all this Excedrin.

Go to Reply 383. (I don't know how to quote 2 different messages in the same message).  Based on the raindrops on Nick's cameraman's lens there is rain.  If rain had stopped cameraman would have wiped his lens and Tina wouldn't need her jacket and raise a stink about it.

Lucky me, I'll be going to bed shortly but I'll probably be having nightmares throughout my dreams.  Hopefully I can stay asleep till time for show.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: FLFan on November 30, 2008, 09:18:20 AM
I stepped thru the scenes in promo.  This is what I think I see.  Please notice that I am new to this and I am possibly misinterpreting it.  Maybe someone can use the occurance of Toni's white hood to get a better timeline or some of the occurances of wetness.  Please excuse the length since I don't know what information is important.  Things in quotes are words from screen.

1) Dandrew, with backpacks, running down sidewalk, street wet.  I think Dan has the Amazing Race Bag (ARB).  No jackets. Andrew had brown packet.

2) Ken and Tina cross wet street.  Ken in red jacket. I believe Ken has the ARB on his right side.

3) Dallas, Tina, Ken (ARB), Toni (ARB), possibly Nick and / or Starr barely visible behind Toni.  Nothing appears to be wet.   No backpacks.  Leaving submarine.

4) Nick (ARB) and Starr inside submarine.

5) “Essential things”, then “Must Have” overlay Starr and Nick (ARB) trying to hail taxi.  Jackets on and backpacks.

6) Dallas, Ken (ARB), Toni (ARB), Tina, Nick (ARB), and Starr running down sidewalk.  Ken and Toni have jackets, but Toni does not have white hood.  Fairly sure this is first challenge at submarine.  No one has their backpacks.

7) “Money”.  Dandrew in taxi.  However, this appears to be from previous leg since the clothes are wrong for today.

8 ) Dallas and Toni (ARB in front?) dickering with taxi driver.  Backpacks on.  Toni has white hood fully up.  I believe Dallas has brown package.

9) “Passport”.  Then scenes at airport – all from previous episodes.  Airplane taking off.

10) “Sunday”.  Dallas and Toni, with backpacks hurrying down a street looking back, then taking off in a run.  I think Toni still has white hood on.  NO ARB visible, but could be under Toni’s jacket, but I don’t think there is a large enough bulge.  Or this could be after Sculpture Garden when ARB appears to be transferred to Dallas.  If you look closely, you can see Andrew in his yellow ASU shirt to their right rear.  I think this is right after the green door clue box.

11) "One Team".  Nick (ARB) and Starr on up escalator with backpacks.

12) Ken and Tina in taxi.  Jackets and backpacks.  Window rolled down blocks area that Ken normally cares ARB, so I can’t tell if they have it.

13) Dallas and Toni (ARB) with jackets and backpacks hurrying down a paved street – possibly a bit wet? since the pavement is a lighter color near the curb.

14) Dan (ARB) and Andrew (brown packet).  No jackets, no backpacks.  This has been determined to be the speed bump.

15) "Will Lose Them - Both".  Nick (ARB), Starr, Toni (ARB).  No jackets, no backpacks.  Leaving submarine sequence, possibly rounding turn to gate / exit.  Definitely immediately after item 3 above.

16) Ken and Tina (ARB) walking down a dirt(?) road.  Backpacks (Ken carrying Tina’s) and jackets.  Things look damp including road.

17) Nick (ARB) and Starr at last night’s pit stop opening today’s first clue.  Jackets and backpacks all around.

18) Dallas and Toni on dirt / gravel road, possible same as item 18, getting clue.  Toni has jacket, but not Dallas.  Backpacks, Toni probably has ARB – Dallas’ arm and then clue blocking view.  Sneaky editing.

19) Dandrew at clue box in front of green door.  Andrew has jacket.  I THINK Dan may have ARB, but unsure.  Backpacks? on ground maybe?  Is Dan opening clue?  What is Andrew holding?

Possible sequence:  7 and 9 from previous episodes.  17, 6, 4, 3, 15
Unsure of sequence: no idea where 5, 11 or 12 occurs
Speed Bump after rain: 14
After rain?: 1, 2, 8, 13, 16, 18, 19 followed by 10

Is this any help?  I don't have the equipment to get screen shots from my DVR. 
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2008, 09:53:04 AM
In the sc of the group running to the sub, on the sub and 1 off color sc of Nick running from the sub he has the fanny pack over his right shoulder.

Here you go!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: FLFan on November 30, 2008, 10:38:44 AM
Downpour at Gorky Park/ Sculpture park Roadblock

Nick: Tina and Ken are here
Nick takes their cab as they arrive so Nick is out of there first?
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This picture of Nick getting K/T cab has been bothering me.  Starr is no where to be seen.  Even if you look at the full promo which includes a shot of Nick IN the cab, you can not see Starr.  Nick has his backpack, but Starr is missing in action.  Is this part of the roadblock?  I thought usually roadblocks were done on foot near the where the other partner had to wait. 
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 30, 2008, 10:44:05 AM
is today football overtime  :umn:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gingerman28 on November 30, 2008, 11:48:06 AM
is today football overtime  :umn:

Football overtime on CBS today.  Estimate start time for TAR to be around 8:30PM plus or minus.

Other matters:

I'm a wee bit confused (so what else is new?)

We have teams at the sub to be between 9:49 and 10:47AM

We have Dandrew closeups in sun at Victory Park between 12:34 and 12:45PM

We have Dandrrew doing the speedbump folk dance between 5:00 and 6:30PM

What are the boys doing between 12:34 and 6:30PM???   I thought that they did the dance at the Victory Park location?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 30, 2008, 11:49:17 AM
i hate that, well thank you  (:;)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 11:56:20 AM
is today football overtime  :umn:

Football overtime on CBS today.  Estimate start time for TAR to be around 8:30PM plus or minus.

Other matters:

I'm a wee bit confused (so what else is new?)

We have teams at the sub to be between 9:49 and 10:47AM

We have Dandrew closeups in sun at Victory Park between 12:34 and 12:45PM

We have Dandrrew doing the speedbump folk dance between 5:00 and 6:30PM

What are the boys doing between 12:34 and 6:30PM???   I thought that they did the dance at the Victory Park location?

They do the dance at Sokolniki Park Gman, what was done inbetween I dunno? Victory park might have something to do with the Roadblock, at least thats what I think, lol
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 30, 2008, 12:15:38 PM
Maybe it's like the roadblock in Sydney in TAR2....where one member did the walking tour around the Opera house? I do know that is makes no sense to me!!!!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: pitt02 on November 30, 2008, 12:48:34 PM
Maybe the reason that nick and starr are held at the end is a time penalty or somthing like it was a walking tour and they used the taxi or cause they took the taxi from Ken.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Snooky on November 30, 2008, 12:53:39 PM
It might be taking the taxi. But The Amazing race hasn't given a penalty for taking a taxi, has it? Maybe in the asia edition.  ???
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: pitt02 on November 30, 2008, 12:54:46 PM
has anyone ever taken another teams taxi I cant recall. It could be a first
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Snooky on November 30, 2008, 12:59:49 PM
Teams have taken others' taxis. Like in season 7 Rob and Amber took Debbie and Bianca's.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: pitt02 on November 30, 2008, 01:43:43 PM
Then i guess it could be another time penalty who knows.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2008, 03:10:57 PM
Just reviewed all the info from our eyewitness, and this is the only thing I found that we may not have discussed much? This was why she thought there could have been a party, while I always wondered if it could have been the actual spend-the-night-here-pitstop.

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after the first two teams came in, we decided to walk around. behind the big building, directly behind the lenin statue, there's a really amazing pavillion - i suppose you'd call it - with tons of beautiful statues and fountains and buildings. one particular one, at the very back, had epic carvings all over the walls. i had to go to the bathroom so i wondered inside looking for a loo. i nice young guys stopped me saying that i couldnt' go in as they were planning a big party. i asked if it was for the amazing race and he smirked and said it's confidential.


Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: pitt02 on November 30, 2008, 03:57:37 PM
Sorry i did not read the whole thread but when did Dandrew get doused in water by the truck could they have left the passports in the taxi when they got soaked?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 30, 2008, 03:58:47 PM
Final analysis, I swear.

I looked long and hard at the cylinder shadow on the lamppost.  I also figured out that the video was shot from the third fountain back from the cross street.  Earlier I had it at the second fountain.

This picture was taken between 3:41 and 4:12 pm (assumes May 13th).

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Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: mswood on November 30, 2008, 04:21:41 PM
Just reviewed all the info from our eyewitness, and this is the only thing I found that we may not have discussed much? This was why she thought there could have been a party, while I always wondered if it could have been the actual spend-the-night-here-pitstop.

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after the first two teams came in, we decided to walk around. behind the big building, directly behind the lenin statue, there's a really amazing pavillion - i suppose you'd call it - with tons of beautiful statues and fountains and buildings. one particular one, at the very back, had epic carvings all over the walls. i had to go to the bathroom so i wondered inside looking for a loo. i nice young guys stopped me saying that i couldnt' go in as they were planning a big party. i asked if it was for the amazing race and he smirked and said it's confidential.



I wouldn't be surprised if this happens at the deciding point for the finale three for each leg.  A way for the racers to celebrate their success or like in Season 4 so goodbye to the 4th placed team.  If so then damn I don't think I would want to be there this season.

Its something you might want to ask them (and past season racers) at TAR CON.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: beatlelovr on November 30, 2008, 04:22:19 PM
Okay, long time lurker that has finally decided to bust out of the shadows.  You all are fantastic, shall I say Amazing?   :tup:

My contribution to this mindblowing episode is to take a step back and stop overthinking and reaching.  Most prefer Dandrew to be eliminated so we've been looking for ways to make that happen. The simple fact is that Toni and Dallas haven't been spotted in Portland making them "ultimately" unable to cross the finish or so it appears.

Again fantastic job, season after season, to the super sleuths of RFF. :ty

Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: pitt02 on November 30, 2008, 04:30:05 PM
I believe there were no sightings of N/S either.  So maybe T/D and N/S came in earlier than the cameras came so they were not sighted and K/T were so far behind this leg that they came in on a later flight with DanDrew.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on November 30, 2008, 04:42:05 PM
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Did you ever get a feel for how much later than the others D/A were checking in last week? Even I could tell the light was later.

Ken & Tina's check in time was 6:30 pm plus or minus 30 min.

Dandrew's check in time was 8:00 pm plus or minus 30 min.

Chateau, I am not questioning those estimates. However, both of them are well after the "drop-dead" time needed to make the 705am flight unless there was a pitstop of less than 12 hours. We know that leg 10 was run May 13 and we know that leg 11 for the competing teams was May 14 in Portland.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2008, 04:46:05 PM
apskip, those are the check in times for last week's mat, I was trying to figure out how far behind D/A will be at the release this week.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: CanadaGoose on November 30, 2008, 05:23:58 PM
Chateau, I am not questioning those estimates. However, both of them are well after the "drop-dead" time needed to make the 705am flight unless there was a pitstop of less than 12 hours. We know that leg 10 was run May 13 and we know that leg 11 for the competing teams was May 14 in Portland.
I'm lousy at figuring out what day it is halfway around the world, but do the dates above account for that?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 30, 2008, 05:40:57 PM
I believe there were no sightings of N/S either.  So maybe T/D and N/S came in earlier than the cameras came so they were not sighted and K/T were so far behind this leg that they came in on a later flight with DanDrew.

i dont think so because if you look in a picture you can see that all the teams catched on the detour/roadblock, i belive dandrew have not done there speedbump  :umn:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: AbbyNormal on November 30, 2008, 05:45:50 PM
Okay, long time lurker that has finally decided to bust out of the shadows.  You all are fantastic, shall I say Amazing?   :tup:

My contribution to this mindblowing episode is to take a step back and stop overthinking and reaching.  Most prefer Dandrew to be eliminated so we've been looking for ways to make that happen. The simple fact is that Toni and Dallas haven't been spotted in Portland making them "ultimately" unable to cross the finish or so it appears.

Again fantastic job, season after season, to the super sleuths of RFF. :ty



We are not really in denial, we are just trying to come up with possible ways for Dallas and Toni to make the final 3. After all, Dan and Andrew losing their passports would be the perfect ending to their storyline. As for me, I'm hanging on to the fact that BVM loves to jerk us around. He (and Phil) never came out and said that the team that doesn't make it to the finish line is one of the final 3. So I'm holding out hope that Dan and Andrew lost their documents and were eliminated in Moscow, and that their new documents arrived too late to get them to the finish line when the teams came in (but in time to do some decoy work). We will know soon enough.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: beatlelovr on November 30, 2008, 06:06:59 PM
I would love for that to be the way it happens, Abby, I just can't get beyond the no sightings in Portland.  As much as I *see* it being Dandrew, the more I realized I was trying to convince myself. 

Hey, I hope that my first post will end up being totally wrong.  :lol:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: pitt02 on November 30, 2008, 06:15:20 PM
But was Nick and Starr spotted in portland?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 06:19:59 PM
Welcome to the forum beatlelovr and pitt02 and all the new members and even the lurkers  :hithere:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 30, 2008, 06:23:52 PM
But was Nick and Starr spotted in portland?
i think they do spot nick and starr because in the interview with dallas
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 06:35:18 PM
But was Nick and Starr spotted in portland?
i think they do spot nick and starr because in the interview with dallas
What are you talking about jose? What interview? You are confusing people!
And no pitt02, Nick and Starr were not spotted in Portland.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gingerman28 on November 30, 2008, 06:41:34 PM
Football over.  TAR to begin at 8:41PM
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 30, 2008, 06:43:04 PM
yes, i gues i will watch 60 minutes
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 06:43:15 PM
Football over.  TAR to begin at 8:41PM
*must stop surfing the internet, must not know the results until I see it with my own eyes*
........back to decorating the tree I guess *groan*
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gator27 on November 30, 2008, 06:43:35 PM
Football over.  TAR to begin at 8:41PM

I'm ready.  Bring it on.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: beatlelovr on November 30, 2008, 06:55:30 PM
But was Nick and Starr spotted in portland?
i think they do spot nick and starr because in the interview with dallas
What are you talking about jose? What interview? You are confusing people!
And no pitt02, Nick and Starr were not spotted in Portland.

I've been reading this post from Stacy, "I was waiting to pick my boyfriend up at International arrivals around Noon today.  saw a young couple, very fit and attractive ..."  as being Nick & Starr.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 06:57:59 PM
But was Nick and Starr spotted in portland?
i think they do spot nick and starr because in the interview with dallas
What are you talking about jose? What interview? You are confusing people!
And no pitt02, Nick and Starr were not spotted in Portland.

I've been reading this post from Stacy, "I was waiting to pick my boyfriend up at International arrivals around Noon today.  saw a young couple, very fit and attractive ..."  as being Nick & Starr.
She, stacy, looked at their photo and thinks it was Terence and Sarah which also makes sense ..they ran as decoys.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: beatlelovr on November 30, 2008, 07:05:56 PM
Well thanks for clearing that up.  Puts a different spin on my thoughts, but I still think Toni and Dallas are done.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: pitt02 on November 30, 2008, 07:07:03 PM
The only thing i can think of is T/D gets eliminated tonight and N/S are the ones to lose there passports making it DanDrew and k/T the remaining teams racing for the million.  But i doubt thats how it goes.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 30, 2008, 07:10:34 PM
But was Nick and Starr spotted in portland?
i think they do spot nick and starr because in the interview with dallas
What are you talking about jose? What interview? You are confusing people!
And no pitt02, Nick and Starr were not spotted in Portland.

I've been reading this post from Stacy, "I was waiting to pick my boyfriend up at International arrivals around Noon today.  saw a young couple, very fit and attractive ..."  as being Nick & Starr.
She, stacy, looked at their photo and thinks it was Terence and Sarah which also makes sense ..they ran as decoys.
you guys are confuseing me i think i am going to die  :hugs:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on November 30, 2008, 07:18:19 PM
This picture was taken between 1:38 and 2:05 pm (assumes May 13th).

I see the light!  :lol:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/EP10/002311-23-2008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: jose on November 30, 2008, 07:20:09 PM
and everyone cathes in that spot
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2008, 07:24:47 PM
After 6 months, I think I have finally figured this out.

Dan/Andrew  come in last and are eliminated.
Dan/Andrew come in last, but are saved because someone else cannot continue.
Dan/Andrew UTurn  Ken/Tina and thereby are 3rd.
Toni/Dallas are eliminated because they lose their passports.
Nick/Starr are eliminated because they lose their passports.
Dan/Andrew lose their passports but BVM thinks they are so funny that they are allowed to continue.
Ken/Tina lose not only their passports, but also their packs and cannot continue.
Nick/Starr have a timeout in a roped off area and end up 4th.
Dan/Andrew are still dancing in Moscow.



:funny: :funny: Welcome to my world! :funny: :funny:

Another few posts from Chateau and we'll have this all wrapped up!  :jam:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Alvin06 on November 30, 2008, 07:29:50 PM
TAR13 is actually being shown live here in the Philippines. And so it is delayed there in the US?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 07:34:20 PM
TAR13 is actually being shown live here in the Philippines.
Don't you dare post the results Alvin! We will be a very angry mob! We are waiting to watch together here so please don't spill the beans!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2008, 07:36:00 PM
well hush. You get banned if you "spoil" us! :lol:

We won't be starting for another 7 minutes.

You can join us in the live discussion thread, but seriously, not ONE hint or puddin amd I will have to hunt you down. :funny:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2008, 07:37:14 PM
well hush. You get banned if you "spoil" us! :lol:

We won't be starting for another 7 minutes.

You can join us in the live discussion thread, but seriously, not ONE hint or puddin amd I will have to hunt you down. :funny:
YES a 24 hour ban  :jam:, fair warning!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Coutzy on November 30, 2008, 07:37:36 PM
Since everybody's so confused, here's whats going to happen:


Nick and Starr make a wrong turn and wind up back in Almaty.
Ken and Tina realize that TAR isn't going to save their marriage and quit.
Dandrew get stuck dancing forever due to Dan's unco-ness.

And coz Toni and Dallas are so awesomely cool, they win the race while everybody else is still doing leg 10.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: manilaguna on November 30, 2008, 08:14:49 PM
Just finished watching it! Coutzy....that may not happen ;p enjoy watching!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: DrRox on November 30, 2008, 09:06:53 PM
Maybe it's like the roadblock in Sydney in TAR2....where one member did the walking tour around the Opera house? I do know that is makes no sense to me!!!!

Well, sometimes an old squirrel finds the nut!!!  They just got to use a taxi this time.
Title: Re: EP11: 12/7
Post by: SD_Mama on December 01, 2008, 12:50:15 AM
Did I miss it? Was the other U Turn in this leg or last leg?  (Having a baby that needs attention sometimes causes me to miss portions  :-[ )
Title: Re: EP11: 12/7
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2008, 12:54:43 AM
Did I miss it? Was the other U Turn in this leg or last leg?  (Having a baby that needs attention sometimes causes me to miss portions  :-[ )

No U-Turn at all, so it must have been un-used on another leg and just not aired.

It is on my list of things to ask at TARcon, like why in the world did the racers carry around that wrapped up brown package last week AND this week and we never are told why?
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on December 01, 2008, 01:12:12 AM
When Nick rejoined Starr at the Flat, she said she was waiting 2 hours for him fwiw.
Title: Re: EP11: 12/7
Post by: Alvin06 on December 01, 2008, 07:31:21 AM
I just noticed the difference in backgrounds during the post-race interview before the episode ended. The background for Ken and Tina is different from that of Dandrew and Nick and Emily (it's the same for the other 2 teams just mentioned). Or is it that Dandrews and Nick and Starr's just look similar?

It's sad seeing Toni and Dallas go. It's worse that they are not in the final pitstop.

As what others have mentioned, ep10 can be award-winning.

Notice also the face of Dan when he learned about the loss of the passports. His attitude just doesn't fit the winners' editing of TAR.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2008, 11:04:52 PM
Here are some tidbits from Rob's excellent interview with Toni/Dallas:

How the pouch was lost:
Dallas was in the cab coming from  the Roadblock
His battery for the sound mike required changing, so production undid the POUCH to change the battery!
Dallas then changed cabs, in the second for 20-30 minutes, went to the hotel where they had spent the night to get some help from the concierge, at that point when he went to pay the taxi realized that he no longer had the pouch.

The Long Walk:
Toni and Dallas consciously took the Metro knowing that they should be in a taxi, but knowing they did not have enough money
They expected a 30 minute penalty and were surprised when they were told to go back
AT that point however, cameras were not allowed on the Metro after 3PM, so they made a 2 hour walk back, where they met Phil and were eliminated
Production told them that at that point they were only 30 minutes behind Ken/Tina

Re the Passports:
They were returned to the Embassy late that same night, presumably by the taxi-driver
The next AM, when T/D called the Embassy, they were told the passports had been returned.
By that time it was too late for them to reach the Mat in Portland in time to join the other teams.



Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on December 02, 2008, 12:13:24 AM
Just for fun:  This happened today in Japan:  Happy Face Moon (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyoto/3073733365/)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3174/3073733365_ae9948fcbb.jpg?v=0)

Two planets and the Moon!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on December 02, 2008, 12:17:07 AM
 Thats really cool Chateau!! :jumpy:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on December 02, 2008, 12:23:04 AM
Stolen for future use, : )

:hearts:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on December 02, 2008, 08:12:38 AM
I was intrigued by Ken's remarks about the 3 hour wait he had at the submarine museum. Hours of operation is standard for many Amazing Race tasks, so he was a bit absurd in suggesting that this was unfair as it eliminated Ken/Tina's lead over the other 2 top teams starting AR10. I searched for and discovered this additional information:

The Museum of Russia’s Submarine Fleet

Russian diesel submarine B-396, “The Novosibirsky Komsomolets,” was decommissioned in 1998 and moved to Moscow in 2003, where that winter a drop in water levels caused the craft to break on the shallow banks of the reservoir where it was stored. Now those holes have been patched and the submarine has been retrofitted to allow visitors a trip into Russian naval history. The permanent exhibit includes tours through the various sections of the submarine, including the torpedo bays, control deck and living quarters, as well as information on the history of Russia’s submarine fleet.
44-48 Ul. Svobody, Severnoe Tushino Park, Wed.-Sun. 10am-5pm (by appointment only), 729-6602. M. Skhodnenskaya.

It has a companion ship(I am guessing a tender) the Druzhsky.

So, Ken/Tina would have arrived to the sub museum about 7am and had to wait until 10am to enter.


Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Slowhatch on December 02, 2008, 11:40:46 AM
Maybe. The sign on the wall had 9-5 on it. But who knows how legit that was? I didn't see any other tourists, and there was no footage of racers paying admission; maybe the sub was reserved for them a short time.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on December 02, 2008, 12:53:49 PM
Based on the key information that the most efficient racer (Nick) took 2 hours to complete the Roadblock, I have developed this rough timeline for episode 10 for Nick/Starr:

Pitstop release after 7am
Arrive at the Sub Museum by taxi well before 10am
Opening Hour for Sub Museum 10am
Guess at taxi ride to Park Iskusst, Moument of Fallen Heroes arrival 1045am
Roadblock time to complete(2 hours per Starr talking to Nick in an Extra Video) results in 1245pm
Taxi to entrance to Sokol'niki Park and walk to pony lady 130pm
Detour - RIDE the RAILS - take the suway from Sokol'niki to Lubyanka, then change for the line to 1905 Street Station
 arrive 215pm
Find marked sandwich shop, buy samsa, get on subway to Kitai-Gorod arrive 245pm
Find babushka, get postcard and get back on subway 300pm
Arrive VDNKh metro stop (6 from Kitai-Gordo on the same line) and find cluebox 330pm
Reach pitstop in VDNKh Park around 345pm

I know this differs from Chateau's estimate of slightly after 5pm.
Anyone that has any insights on how long it takes to do taxis or get around on the Moscow subway(which I have done but only on the line out to Sheremetyevo Airport) should comment.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Chateau d If on December 02, 2008, 02:32:01 PM
Final analysis, I swear.

I looked long and hard at the cylinder shadow on the lamppost.  I also figured out that the video was shot from the third fountain back from the cross street.  Earlier I had it at the second fountain.

This picture was taken between 3:41 and 4:12 pm (assumes May 13th).

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/th_new-3.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/new-3.jpg)


Quote
I know this differs from Chateau's estimate of slightly after 5pm.

Actually, you're right in line.  Or, we're right in line!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: tory on December 02, 2008, 06:42:49 PM
ty peach i asked the q y they did not make it bk for the finaly on another thread..also i was listing to the interview again and i am up set for 2 reasons one it sounded to me like the guy changing the mike batterys was partly to blam and 2 if tar ppl new no camera after 3 they should have gotten a penality not a long long walk..they would still be in the race if not for production, jmo.. dallas said hetook of the paket thing to change his mike battery.. i will listen again, but i am pretty sure that is what he said?? :duno:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on December 02, 2008, 07:16:19 PM
That's right...
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Snooky on December 02, 2008, 07:47:15 PM
 Why didn't the leg show the depature times? I wish cbs would put them up. I wanted to know how far behind Nick and Starr and Andrew and Dan were. I hope that they show them on the finale.  :groan:
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Slowhatch on December 02, 2008, 09:56:29 PM
Fwiw, they were eliminated at the Rizhsky station: compare the facade and the Holiday Inn to the pictures here (http://www.wikimapia.org/288/Rizhsky-Rail-Terminal). The kiosk reads 20:54.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on December 02, 2008, 10:27:46 PM
Why didn't the leg show the depature times? I wish cbs would put them up. I wanted to know how far behind Nick and Starr and Andrew and Dan were. I hope that they show them on the finale.  :groan:

I can offer you a hypothesis. That is that they wanted to maintain the suspense of Andrew and Dan vs. Toni/Dallas and Ken/Tina right up until the 10th pitstop. Until then, we had no reference times and could only hypothesize about how the various teams were doing. By cutting off vital start times, CBS/World Race Productions perhaps made a statement about who is in control. It was unprecedented and hopefully will never happen again.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: puddin on December 03, 2008, 12:25:31 AM
Thanks Slowhatch :<3

Why didn't the leg show the depature times? I wish cbs would put them up. I wanted to know how far behind Nick and Starr and Andrew and Dan were. I hope that they show them on the finale.  :groan:
From this interview (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,16729.msg363361.html#msg363361) with Tina & Ken (thanks peach)
Quote
Sometimes, the race action is affected by off-camera issues. In Sunday's episode, the teams gathered their first clue on a Russian submarine. But Tina noted that when she and Ken arrived at the boat, the tourist attraction wasn't open. By the time it was opened three hours later, all the other teams had caught up, eliminating their advantage.
here is a photo of Toni and Dallas waiting ...

You're Gonna Get Me Killed" -- Mother/son team Dallas (left) and Toni find a Route Marker by finding the senior sonar officer from The Hunt for Red October aboard this famous Soviet submarine anchored in the Moscow River, on THE AMAZING RACE 13
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 03, 2008, 02:27:48 AM
that looks so movie like!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: gator27 on December 03, 2008, 12:19:43 PM
Why didn't the leg show the depature times? I wish cbs would put them up. I wanted to know how far behind Nick and Starr and Andrew and Dan were. I hope that they show them on the finale.  :groan:

I can offer you a hypothesis. That is that they wanted to maintain the suspense of Andrew and Dan vs. Toni/Dallas and Ken/Tina right up until the 10th pitstop. Until then, we had no reference times and could only hypothesize about how the various teams were doing. By cutting off vital start times, CBS/World Race Productions perhaps made a statement about who is in control. It was unprecedented and hopefully will never happen again.

Maybe the PitStop was not the usual 12 hours.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on December 03, 2008, 06:04:59 PM
Maybe, gator 27, but we know from a Video Extra that Ken/Tina arrived at the sub museum around 7am. Working backward, that would mean about a 615pm finish of leg 9 with a 12 hour pitstop. That's sounds about right to me. I am not saying that you are wrong, because that could account for the non-disclosure of AR10 start time, but I think it is unlikely.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: Coutzy on December 03, 2008, 06:45:45 PM
Isn't it usually not a 12 hour (or 12 hour increment eg. 36 hour, 60 hour) Pit Stop if CBS don't disclose the times the first team checked in?

Doesn't Phil usually say something like "Kynt and Vyxsin, who were the first to arrive *FLASHBACK* You're team number one *END FLASHBACK* Will depart, at XX:XX AM/PM"

Also, don't CBS play with the departure times to ensure the race stays close? I don't think they've ever let one team get on a really good flight while every other team gets hours behind on another flight.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on December 03, 2008, 10:50:01 PM
Pitstop time  is ususally 12 hours. SOmetimes it is extended to 36 hours. Rarely it has been 24 hours. Once this season I remember 18 hours. It has never been 60 hours.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on December 03, 2008, 11:47:06 PM
Oddly enough, I just heard a podcast from Dallas where he commented on the Pitstops being 12, 18, 24, or 36 hours and how they got to tour around La Paz and Angkor Wat because those were 36 hour Pitstops.

Also they said that thanks to the Passport being returned, they were able to get it back that morning (5/14), and then grab a flight on 5/14  "after all the other teams" and, while they could not get there in time for the Finale Mat, they did make it in time for the post-Mat wrap party! Maybe apskip knows which one that might have been.


Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: apskip on December 04, 2008, 07:49:18 AM
Oddly enough, I just heard a podcast from Dallas where he commented on the Pitstops being 12, 18, 24, or 36 hours and how they got to tour around La Paz and Angkor Wat because those were 36 hour Pitstops.

Also they said that thanks to the Passport being returned, they were able to get it back that morning (5/14), and then grab a flight on 5/14  "after all the other teams" and, while they could not get there in time for the Finale Mat, they did make it in time for the post-Mat wrap party! Maybe apskip knows which one that might have been.

Yes, Peach. I consulted the Timeline, which cannot answer all questions but can answer that one:

For any teams who are too late (due to retrieval of lost documents or due to not having enough money for the taxi ride) to make the 0705 flight, then the next best alternative is the combination
KL3105 SVO AMS 1010 1200 connecting with KL6033 AMS SEA  KL8067 1315 1435 connecting with SEA PDX 1600 1650

So Toni/Dallas would be through customs and ready to leave the airport by about 515pm.

There is another flight that leaves at the same time through London to get to Seattle, but arrives PDX after 7pm.
There is a flight DL47 SVO ATL 1310 1705 connecting with AS6025 ATL PDX 1900 2128.
There is a more desirable afternoon flight SU229 SVO LAX 1420 1630 connecting with QF4113 LAX PDX 1850 2115.

Take your pick.

EDITOR'S NOTE - In an interview,  Dallas stated that he retrieved the passports between 11am and 12pm. That means he was fairly certain to take SU229 at 1420 because he and Toni would not be able to make it for anything earlier.
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: georgiapeach on December 04, 2008, 08:09:24 AM
The consulate doesn't open till 9, so I expect that by the time they made the call, found out the passport was there, went there, got the passport, and then went to the airport , that they probably had to take one of those afternoon flights arr after 9.

Thanks!
Title: Re: EP10: 11/30 'You're Gonna Get Me Killed'
Post by: tory on December 04, 2008, 04:20:04 PM
peachy ty ty ty for the new pod cast.. i have been on i tunes every day looking for new ones on tv.. nothing great.. rff is the best and i look so fw to it every week i am soo glad u found another one , i have listened to the rff one 4 x all ready this week..in the car doing laundry ect..i hate house work so listing to the pod cast makes me for get i am actuly working.. love it..