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Anyone know what the "message from The Mole" is? I'm curious!
Either the message is a clue to how The Mole will lie and sabotage the games, or it's a cryptic message. I think I may look at the contestant's bios for any clues.
I couldn't find anything in their bios. I would keep that clue in the back of your mind for when you watch the show, it may be a 2-part hidden clue.
only one person in the picture is wearing glasses? hmmmmm
But due to interviews, Jon Kelley had no idea who was the mole at the start of the show, so we can't infer that the journal #11 belongs to the mole. I think it has something to do with the letters missing. "LVN". Maybe Liz's initial?
Didn't a contestant mention in tonight's episode with her MOM skills she can tell who is telling the truth and who is lying? I can't remember who said it. Wouldn't it go along with the two clues, "Find the Mom" and "I lie with my eyes".
EW clue: I LIE WITH MY EYES
"Find the Mom"
I'm still thinking that it's a female Mole we're looking for. But they've had four female Moles so far in the entire series (including celebrity editions). Unless they wanted another female Mole...
hank4congress said...
The number on the boat? 810
I was reading my bible just now..and in the book of MARK chapter 8 verse 10, it reads..."Then right away he got into a boat with his followers and went to the area of Dalmanutha." hmm...He gets on a BOAT with his followers ....mole hunters...hmmm.. and i looked up Dalmanutha on wikipedia, and it is described as an unknown destination sometimes described to be around the area of Magdala. The FIRST MOLE EVER'S Name? Magda.
Mark...8:10...Boat...followers...unkown destination...Magda...MOLE.
I'm still thinking that it's a female Mole we're looking for. But they've had four female Moles so far in the entire series (including celebrity editions). Unless they wanted another female Mole...
wasn't the season 2 mole a guy, Bill i think?
But due to interviews, Jon Kelley had no idea who was the mole at the start of the show, so we can't infer that the journal #11 belongs to the mole. I think it has something to do with the letters missing. "LVN". Maybe Liz's initial?
March 28: Promo photos taken of each contestant (the ones you see behind the waterfall)
March 30: Over The Falls
March 31: Crusoe mission
April 1: Dinner before quiz
April 2: First quiz (after midnight), First execution
Exact dates taken from http://www.abcmedianet.com/web/display/display_main.aspx?global_id=000862&leftcol=links
I just noticed something else with the Chicago Occupation, there was a DOB of 12 - 5- 197? not sure what year it was... not so clear. Then there was a weight of 90K and then the height was 5'8"... Not sure who that could be... any ideas?
this clue has been bugging me. eleven seems too obvious? what about eyelet, evener or evened? i'm sure there may be others.emeses
A totally on the head theory, but could the producers have turned it around and the clues be pointing to the mole's victims, ie who isn't the mole rather than who is.
Just a thought.
Mom clue - Marcie
Lie with the eyes - Liz's wink in the cast intro
An IT clue - Craig
etc
ok, I am so new to this. I watched the Mole before when it was on but did not know that there was so much discussion about the clues or that there were so many clues.Welcome to the forum twilightz0ne :bigwelcome, I'm not sure that I can help but you can start here for the clues :duno:. I'm not good at spotting the clues either so don't feel bad.
I don't know how you guys find all these clues or where they come from. I watch it, I rewatch it and most of the time I miss all this stuff unless I come on here and read it. :duno:
Anyone have any tips for me to get on board with you guys....lol
Thanks
.... more clues
The Mole's Episode 2 Clue now shows: A B C B B A C C B C A
Does anyone know where a Canadian would be able to watch the episodes online?
ABC doesnt like me too much, and I would like to be able to go back and watch what I missed.
Does anyone know where a Canadian would be able to watch the episodes online?
ABC doesnt like me too much, and I would like to be able to go back and watch what I missed.
The only place I can think of is youtube
It has all the episodes there you can watch over and over, hope that helps
Try this link: http://www.youtube.com/user/moleclassic (http://www.youtube.com/user/moleclassic)
I'm new here. welcome to me and hello to you all :waves:
Craig considers himself to be a prankster with a big heart and a magnetic personality.
A B C B B A C C B C A
1 2 3 2 2 1 3 3 2 3 2
Dont forget there is also some editing happening here. Craig may have been the first one shown to say something, so be wary there.
following up jskura's theory, i change my mind and i think i have a breakthrough on the letters clue....
the clue card showed that the letters look like this:
ABCBB
ACCBCA
i was looking at some screen shots for the seating arrangement in episode 2 for the elimination and the seating arrangement is as follows:
Bobby Craig Kristen Alex Mark
A B C B B
Clay Nicole Liz Victoria Ali Paul
A C C B C A
based on that, we can see that clay, bobby, and paul had the highest grades on the quiz. Also, you can see that Liz had one of the lowest, and therefore, gets voted off.
if this concept is correct, we can assume that clay, bobby, or paul is the mole. Thanks, jskura, you were right on the theory about them being grades, i think. :js:
That would explain the 4 C's, and the reason Liz got the axe.
But if this theory is correct, Craig only got a B, while there were a number of others who received an A
They never refer to a group of people. Although one clue to be applied to more than one person, there has never in the course of all 5 seasons been a clue that just narrows it down to a group. Not an actual clue anyways. And this is an actual clue.
following up jskura's theory, i change my mind and i think i have a breakthrough on the letters clue....
the clue card showed that the letters look like this:
ABCBB
ACCBCA
i was looking at some screen shots for the seating arrangement in episode 2 for the elimination and the seating arrangement is as follows:
Bobby Craig Kristen Alex Mark
A B C B B
Clay Nicole Liz Victoria Ali Paul
A C C B C A
based on that, we can see that clay, bobby, and paul had the highest grades on the quiz. Also, you can see that Liz had one of the lowest, and therefore, gets voted off.
if this concept is correct, we can assume that clay, bobby, or paul is the mole. Thanks, jskura, you were right on the theory about them being grades, i think. :js:
No idea Cinera
I did, my OCD made me do it :D
This is back to the Chicago 12/5/1970 clue from the credits. If you use the European date style and google May 12, 1970, Chicago, you find out that Ernie Banks of the Chicago Cubs hit his 500th home run on that date in a game at Wrigley Field, off of Pat Jarvis of the Atlanta Braves. Could this point to anyone? I didn't find anything interesting for December 5th.
More fun with google -- S.666 is a senate bill aimed at giving the FDA more power to regulate tobacco products. One interesting thing about it was that the bill was introduced by Senator DeWine -- possibly a connection to the grapes clue? And the Pisco sours mentioned here and there in different episodes could also point to wine, as Pisco is a brandy made from grapes, which also make wine.
Of course I have no idea what to do with that information. :lol: I've been googling Chilean wine and Pisco looking for anything that might shed light on the LIAr part of the clue, but not finding anything. It's possible, though, that the "grapes" and "s666" clues are meant to point out more than one player who might be linked to wine (who's been shown drinking it?), and the LIAr is meant to narrow that group down to just one, so the two halves of the clue don't necessarily have to be related.
Anyway, maybe a lot to hang on an obscure Senate bill! I'd be a little more confident of my interpretation if the clue had been written as "S.666-LIAr" rather than "s666-LIAr", but what can you do?
i know Craig had the card the whole time and when the host explained about the clue, he nodded his head that he had figured it out.
Is it odd that the address was in ROMAN numerals? As in the Roman Catholic?It isn't a legal requirement to use roman numerals in a copyright notice, but it's a common practice. Figuring out that ©72 makes no sense would have eventually lead someone to Lulu cleaners (a block away from Telar restaurant), but nobody took the bait.
Is there some way we can get all the clues in one post?If you want to, go right ahead molenewbie :hithere:
Is there some way we can get all the clues in one post?
There is a screen cap posted in the eppy 4 media thread that has me puzzled. It's of Mark and the host at the time of execution. Mark has on a yellow jacket and hat and seems to be giving the host a talking to (or at least strongly expressing himself).
Subsequent screen caps show mark sitting there in a suit with the others awaiting the test results.
Could this cap be an indication that Mark is booted and he's gone up, put his jacket on and is having the little tete a tete with the host before they head off to the vehicle?
just a thought.
And there is something I dont get about the Grades clue. If they are the grades of the individual player then why is it that the the C's aren't leaving together. like if they were grades then why is it that someone with a C grade is sent home arbitrarily? Are there degrees? And im sure the lowest score wouldnt just be a C.
, since the Mole will get every answer right.
And there is something I dont get about the Grades clue. If they are the grades of the individual player then why is it that the the C's aren't leaving together. like if they were grades then why is it that someone with a C grade is sent home arbitrarily? Are there degrees? And im sure the lowest score wouldnt just be a C.
Hi, everybody. I'm new here, but I already have some suspicions of the Mole. I think that the Mole is Paul. If the second web clue (ABCBB ACCBCA) is the grades, then that leaves Clay and Paul as Mole candidates, since the Mole will get every answer right. In the first episode, Jon says, "Eat, drink, be merry, and treat it like it's your last supper." Now some people may single Mark out as the Mole. But few know that St. Paul also wrote an account of the Last Supper in his letter to the Corinthians. This also relates to the religious aspects of the show. He lives in Yonkers, which is mainly populated by Italian-Americans. That way, the Italia shirt would make sense. The religion also fits here because Vatican City, the capital of Christianity, is in Italy. What makes him such a good Mole (in my opinion) is that he tries to act like a really good contestant. The online clue (s666-LIAr) does two things. 1: Singles out Ali as the next one leaving (grapes only rules out Bobby, who was executed). 2: Gives 666, the mark of the beast, another biblical symbol. There are a few interpretations of this, some leading to Victoria, Alex, and Mark. But the grades make me think Paul. I'm not sure what to think of E_E_E_, but it may stand for eleven. If we look on the bios page on the official site, we see the Paul is the 11th one listed.
Well, those are my suspicions.
I think that the Mole is Paul.
QuoteI think that the Mole is Paul.
I've discounted Paul as the mole for several reasons but the main one is this.
On the execution quiz for episode 2, question 7. The question is:
7. In "When Pigs Fly" what did the mole do after returning from Pomaire?
A. Catch pigs.
B. Hold one end of the slingshot handle.
C. Load pigs and shoot slingshot.
D. Nothing.
Answer A would refer to Paul and Liz since they both caught pigs, but the problem is that neither of them WENT TO Pomaire, so neither of them could RETURN from there.
A better option for A would have been "The mole did not go to Pomaire".
Not the exact wording but one of the advertising lines for this week says that the best liked player suddenly becomes the least liked.
"Being blindfolded while flying 40mph down a luge... now that's something new for me."- This eliminates Bobby, Craig, Nicole because none of them were blindfolded.
EP4 Clue
EFG PQR ZOO
EP4 Clue
EFG PQR ZOO
Its an Eye exam
Maybe there are clues or its to mess with you all :lol:?
sam300 also did the Samantha Who (http://www.scrapblog.com/viewer/viewer.aspx?sbId=203871) scrapblog ..so much alike don't you think?
Seen that but dismissed it since it says MDEL. This one however........
does say mole and has the year Craig was born right above it.
More thoughts on Craig, and Mark actually. Craig's last name is SLIKE. Mark's journal that they let us peek at in EP1 while they were in the cabin has Craig jotted down as SLYKE two times. I think it's odd that he would refer to only one player by his last name. Yeah, it's typical for guys to call other guys by their last names, but usually once they're on friendly terms and he jotted down all the other guys using their first names. They supposedly "just met" that night so I find it particularly strange even if it was just a misspelling on Mark's part. What do you think this could infer if anything? The "I lie with my eyes" could point the finger at Mark. His tearful display for one. Maybe something to do with this name thing too.
Back to Craig. Someone said the Mole's color is red. Is this true? I don't know being that this is the first time I've watched the show. Craig is always wearing red, from his tennies, to his tie, to the upcoming episode and the ski beanie. Wouldn't that be a little too obvious if the other players know this tidbit?
I remember watching a behind the scenes videos on the ABC web site and it showed Craig wearing a shirt with his last name on the front in huge letters, and i believe it was one of the first days their, so it is possable that mark saw him in this shirt and it stuck in his head...idk just a thought.
Do you think that this mole's scrapbook/journal is meant to contain clues for us because if so it certainly eliminates several players(as sailorswife was saying)?
for example:
1)"Those kids really ran us all over the field..." Eliminates: Mark, Kristen
"Being blindfolded while flying 40 mph..." Eliminates: Nicole, Mark, and Craig. (Bobby and Ali were also blindfolded.
This Leaves Victoria, Clay, Paul, and Alex (who is supposedly going home this week). I really don’t like this... but Clay was in my top three anyways as well as Victoria. It seems like to much information for then to give us straight out!
hmmmmmmmmmm
Do you think that this mole's scrapbook/journal is meant to contain clues for us because if so it certainly eliminates several players(as sailorswife was saying)?
for example:
1)"Those kids really ran us all over the field..." Eliminates: Mark, Kristen
"Being blindfolded while flying 40 mph..." Eliminates: Nicole, Mark, and Craig. (Bobby and Ali were also blindfolded.
This Leaves Victoria, Clay, Paul, and Alex (who is supposedly going home this week). I really don’t like this... but Clay was in my top three anyways as well as Victoria. It seems like to much information for then to give us straight out!
hmmmmmmmmmm
Hmmmm...did ABC goof?
The being blindfolded while going on the luge clue now reads like this:
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compared to this when first posted:
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Hmmmm...did ABC goof?
The being blindfolded while going on the luge clue now reads like this:
I bet you those numbers from the last clue are the numbers of the saved journals. Alex's was saved and craigs was saved. If alex is going home then he had the number 8 journal. And If craig is the mole then he has the 11 journal.!!!!!!! I hope im not going off the deep end with these clues.
I thought the text clue was c f (11) 8. No?
crap... i wrote the wrong letter... well that throws that off :(
what number was victoria? was she 3?
well i'm trying to make sense of it. So far all of the text clues have had to do with someone going home. i missed the first one but the heart and grapes sent BOTH of those players home. Liz was wearing hearts and Bobby had the grape thingy.
cf (11) 8.
if its campfire .... then its who gets "saved" from the fire. kinda odd....
Text Clue:
cf (11) 8
craig's real birthdate is nov 20 1977...not 1978....i saw this on his facebook page when he responded to my message asking him if he was the mole.
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I haven't actually figured anything out, but here comes the number 11 again.
If we invert the clue card to read like this:
Z O O
P Q R
E F G
and substitute the letters for their corresponding numbers in the alphabet, we get:
26 15 15
16 17 18
5 6 7
Now subtract the bottom row from the middle row:
26 15 15
11 11 11
This is where I stopped unless ZOO should be left alone, then we have:
Z O O
11 11 11
I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, not that I can recall, but Craig and Kristen both come San Diego and Santa Monica respectively which are equally religious names. Perhaps a little diving into these two saints or cities might produce something. San Diego does have a world famous zoo as well. ;)
The diary also talks about playing the soccer game. That reinforces the elimination of a few suspects including Kristen again. Also, another page asks how to say something in Spanish. Why would Paul ask that question? We've seen that he's fluent in Spanish. So who does that leave?
actually i think its paul because he is in everyone's face. He obviously is liked by mark and clay. THey tend to not really say much when he goes nutso.
The women are always just like pfffft whatever and just assume he's a New York butt hole.
So that's it. From my perspective it's a 50/50 guess. I don't know about anyone else but if Paul was The Mole he would have to have the biggest set of balls in the world to be so vocal and in everyone's face all of the time. That leaves me with one option only.
The Mole is CLAY!
Thoughts?
actually i think its paul because he is in everyone's face. He obviously is liked by mark and clay. THey tend to not really say much when he goes nutso.
The women are always just like pfffft whatever and just assume he's a New York butt hole.
Watch the ABC preview for the EP5!!!! It's now online and Clay and Paul have it out BIG TIME!!! If Clay liked him before, he sure as heck doesn't now!
EP5 :
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ok so just checked on this journal for the mole and the newest thing written is:
Thought id write in my
journal this week and tip my
hand that I’m Craig or Alex?
Im not that stupid.
Don't miss me too much.
Am I just having a total blonde moment or does this not make since?
hhhhmmmmmm................
are we sure the journal #1 is infact Pauls? It was just sitting on a seat it could have been one of the other players in the van. Just a thought but the way the camera focused in on it several times makes me think it does have some importance.
The apostrophe is on the same key as the quote mark for me and I "capitalize" my apostrophes by mistake all the time...but then I can't type either so? :lol:
Oh now I see Molecule!
Heee...Mole OCD is a lot like TAR OCD...and we all have that around here! :lol:
What about the little drawing??
And why are we missing him? Where is he going? ???
i don't think the mole is insinuating craig or Alex are stupid and would slip up. Here's how i read it..
IF the Mole had a journal entry this week, it would mean the Mole still had his/her journal to write in. Since the only ones who have their journals intact are Craig and Alex, a journal entry appearing would HAVE to mean the mole was one of them.
The entry was poorly written. it should have been something more like:
"I bet you thought I'd write in my
journal this week, proving I’m Craig or Alex, didn't you?
Ha! I'm not that stupid.
Don't miss me too much." (hinting that he/she will be back with a journal entry next week as they all get journals again)
i don't think the mole is insinuating craig or Alex are stupid and would slip up. Here's how i read it..
IF the Mole had a journal entry this week, it would mean the Mole still had his/her journal to write in. Since the only ones who have their journals intact are Craig and Alex, a journal entry appearing would HAVE to mean the mole was one of them.
The entry was poorly written. it should have been something more like:
"I bet you thought I'd write in my
journal this week, proving I’m Craig or Alex, didn't you?
Ha! I'm not that stupid.
Don't miss me too much." (hinting that he/she will be back with a journal entry next week as they all get journals again)
Ok, not sure if this has been brought up...I still believe the mole is Clay and I am going to stand firm unless he gets executed of course..LOL...but with the piggy's went to market thing...did anybody take notice what the "pigs" are made of...CLAY and they show the picture of all the little pigs...any thoughts on that?
My bit: Personally, I think the mole is Mark. I know there is not a lot of clues pointing to him, but in my experience the mole is always the one that you would least expect. I mean, what good is being the mole if you purposely give hints as to your identity? He's not very suspicious, but then again neither were Kathryn or Bill.
Now as for the clues, I don't want to trust the Mole scrapbook, because I doubt the producers would REALLY put a clue in there. From what I've deduced, all it has are events that happened in that episode and a little mocking farewell to whoever it is that leaves. Someone pointed out that Paul would make the type of comments that the mole did in the scrapbook, but honestly I think anyone who had that position would be like that.
A lot of recurring things are see are the number 11, the grades, and the 'I lie with my eyes' hint. I don't really think the number 11 can really be a deciding factor in this case, because
a) The journals were chosen randomly. Therefore Craig getting Journal 11 is a coincidence.
b) A lot of the reasoning that has been shown makes sense. . . if you were trying to prove that Craig is the mole. Which leads me to my next point.
I don't know what to think about the grades (or the other clues, for that matter). I assume they have to do with the episode they were given for, so I guess I'll be watching out for anything that may be related to this week's clue. And for the 'Eyes' clue, I don't feel comfortable using it as evidence because there is no proof that its meaning has been shown yet. IN fact, more likely than not, the clue has to do with the entire season as a whole. It's too early to make assumptions.
I think, honestly, that some of these clues are being overthought. I know the hints are subtle, but they wouldn't purposely make them so obscure that you have to do a bunch of math or google search some random congress act. I remember from previous seasons, for example:
Season 1: One clue in particular I remember was after one episode, the host said '____(The guy who got executed) paid the price', and the mole's last name was Price.
Season 2: Early on in season 2 the word 'Admiral' flashed during the opening credits. Bill was an admiral.
So unless they've gone and changed it to make it harder, I doubt the clues will be difficult to figure out; rather, they will be subtle and go unnoticed.
So. . . yeah. That's my bit. Sorry if I've shot dwn your theories in this post, but cutting them down can actually help us get closer. I actually have a lot more to say, but it'll have to wait until next time. I'm getting a little long-winded as it is. Think about it!
You're totally right that people overthink things. The clues are much more simple than a lot of people remember. Usually clues for the mole in the U.S. can all be deciphered by looking at contestants bios on the official website, finding double meanings in wording, freeze framing the TV and maybe a little math.
QuoteYou're totally right that people overthink things. The clues are much more simple than a lot of people remember. Usually clues for the mole in the U.S. can all be deciphered by looking at contestants bios on the official website, finding double meanings in wording, freeze framing the TV and maybe a little math.
But it is so much fun to "pretend" we are super sleuths!!
Question 5: During the "Travelers" mission, what was the Mole wearing?
Shorts
Pants
During the opening interviews of tonight's episode, Craig was looking to his right (viewer left) when talking about almost dieing in the ambulance. I believe that psychology lie detector signs say people look to their right when creating a story and to their left when recalling. That would suggest that Craig is lying with his eyes. A bit of a stretch but something.
Nice catch knuckles thanks! :yess: I think that the fact he has journal 11 and is 11th in the opening can't be purely luck can it???
Very nice knuckles--thanks! :gj:
The whole Craig ambulance thing is still bothering me...
I worked ER for years and I can't say that I saw any evidence of hypothermia there or it being treated. Altittude sickness is a possibility still though...
But this would have been a great way to get him away for a production update, wouldn't it? :duno:
another thing i was thinking about was perhaps the producers had in mind when they created the travellers game (knowing craig and his recent health problems) that they were gonna make craig that position no matter what. if you think about it, i believe the players had to travel 5 miles in 45 minutes (?). if thats so then they're expecting the players to do 9 minute miles which i think is reasonable for the remaining 6. however i think 9 minute miles for 5 miles is NOT possible for craig.
i dont think theres any way the producers would create a game that not everyone could participate in. i guess they could always have assumed that someone would have given him a moped or bike.
I saw this mentioned on the forums on abc but during the Cage challenge when mark is the only one left and he is thinking about what he should do the camera shows the chain in the shape of an M clearly. Now the only way this could've been done is if the producers did it because when Alex went up it looked nothing like an M
Also in episode 3 Bobby had a good theory uring the fruit of the luge mission where he saw Jon with an apple and made the big apple connection to Paul being from New York aka "The Big Apple".
But in any case, Mark did not participate in the soccer challenge at all--he was running up the hill with Kristen, right?
Mark's a soccer coach. They had a challenge of soccer.
Mark's a soccer coach. They had a challenge of soccer.
The small "i"s in the journal is just the font they used, which is one of the available fonts at Scrapblog. I created the same thing using that font.. TOp one is from the journal, bottom one is from me.
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What was the fonts name?
Maybe the neurotoxin symbolizes the mole defeating Kristen. The Heart could symbolize defeating Liz. And I dont know about the Titanic thing.
Can anyone make something out of this:
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WER UQT
Where are you cutie? Does anyone else think that?
In the second picture posted by someone earlier ("I Lie with my Eyes"), look closely at the contestants eyes.
All are facing forward except one - Alex.
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During the opening interviews of tonight's episode, Craig was looking to his right (viewer left) when talking about almost dieing in the ambulance. I believe that psychology lie detector signs say people look to their right when creating a story and to their left when recalling. That would suggest that Craig is lying with his eyes. A bit of a stretch but something.That is a good deduction, however, Craig did almost die in the ambulance. While you are correct that looking to the up and to the left indicates a visually constructed image, this is not the best basis to go on. While this method has merit, you shouldn't base an opinion solely on it.
However, you may be on to something with this. I charge everyone here to try and note which way people look when they speak, so we can try to get this 'I lie with my eyes' clue solved as soon as we can.
This website can help: http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php
I have not yet seen this newest episode, but from what I hear there are some interesting clues. I plan to watch it tomorrow some time. I'll say more then.
Maybe the neurotoxin symbolizes the mole defeating Kristen. The Heart could symbolize defeating Liz. And I dont know about the Titanic thing.
Well, I think this idea was already given, but the only people to not survive the sinking of the Titanic were the ones who took the life rafts. Those who died didn't. And I'm sure you remember who didn't take the raft. Yep. Marcie. The first one to go.
And MountainsOutOfMoleHills (mind if I call you mountains?), how did you get that?
How did I get what?
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Where are you cutie? Does anyone else think that?
ok, now i'm just gonna throw this out there, i think i might be way off, but whatever... :duno:I think that represented the 30G's that whatsherface blond chick took, the bribe.
in the mole journal on the page with the grape stains, above his note, there is 3 $10 bills...10 + 10 + 10=30
craig is 30 years old....ta-da, i just solved the mole! :groan:
ok, now i'm just gonna throw this out there, i think i might be way off, but whatever... :duno:I think that represented the 30G's that whatsherface blond chick took, the bribe.
in the mole journal on the page with the grape stains, above his note, there is 3 $10 bills...10 + 10 + 10=30
craig is 30 years old....ta-da, i just solved the mole! :groan:
Just pointing out that they never show a result for Craig's quiz.
Ok, better late than never, I just got done watching the most recent episode and I too took note of the graffiti all over the place. the white building said "JAMIE" on it. Do we think Jamie is someone's mom's name? that would go with that "find the mom" clue...
would the producers be that blatant about it?
Does anyone know the mission names?wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mole_(2008_US_TV_Series)
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I know I'm going to sound like a broken record when I say this so apologizes in advance. Guys, do you seriously think that some of these things that are being mentioned could be clues? The ones that get to me the most are people who think that they're reusing clues. For example, Anderson holding an apple in season 2 was a reference to Bill being from Washington. Now I see people saying that they think John holding an apple in season 5 is a reference to Paul being from New York City. Seriously? They're going to use the same clue again? The producers are smart. They probably did that on purpose just to see if anyone would try to take that as a clue. It's the same with the number 7 repeating during celebrity Mole. Do you really think they're going to pick another number like 11 and repeat it? I give the producers credit. I sincerely doubt they'll use the same clues from past seasons in this season.
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Now the N 20 thing might actually be a clue. I mean, the camera zeroed in on that and stayed there for a while. What does the clue mean? I don't know. But I don't think it's laughing gas just because that's not all it said. It said N 20 and below that it said HL 70. I don't think only looking at one and not the other is smart. What it means? You've got me. But if I were to take anything away from this episode as far as a clue goes it'd be that.
But Paul is from Yonkers, not New York City. So the apple wouldn't refer to him anyway since he is not from The Big Apple.
Now the N 20 thing might actually be a clue. I mean, the camera zeroed in on that and stayed there for a while. What does the clue mean? I don't know. But I don't think it's laughing gas just because that's not all it said. It said N 20 and below that it said HL 70. I don't think only looking at one and not the other is smart. What it means? You've got me. But if I were to take anything away from this episode as far as a clue goes it'd be that.
Well, let's take a look at the episode shot:
(http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm372/Moleclueless/N20.jpg)
And an image I found online taken at the same vineyard (I blurred the subject's face to protect the identity of the innocent victim of this post :lol: ):
(http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm372/Moleclueless/IMG_2453_blurred.jpg)
Now what does everyone think? Did they change the labeling of the barrel for the show or was it just a random barrel for imagery-sake? Or did they get lucky and find a barrel with markings that worked as a clue? My guess is that this is a total non-clue, but along with everyone else you have to look at EVERYTHING just in case and hash it out. It's just part of the process of deduction and what makes this forum fun.
(P.S. From what little I know about all the wineries I've visited in my own home state *hic*, barrels are usually marked to identify the vineyard or origin, the date it was harvested and the strength of its contents - i.e. light toast, heavy toast, etc. HL could stand for "half-life," meaning the amount of years it would take for it to lose half its strength. I'm not entirely certain, but if so then in this case that barrel of wine from the show would take 70 years to lose half of its potency. Again, I'm no expert.)
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has anyone added these?
It's a spot in downtown L.A. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=34.05+N+118.25+W&ie=UTF8&ll=34.050199,-118.250037&spn=0.000627,0.001389&t=h&z=20); I don't get it. :duno:
oooooooooooo how's this for some juicy details!?!?!?!?!!
TWO blocks away from the co-ordinates, is where, back in the early 1900's (looks like it's gone now though), there used to be a street running next to the Northern Hotel called CLAY STREET!!!!!!
couldn't it just be barrel Number 20 since the barrel next to it is N22?
also i hae been thinking all this time that HL stood for Hectolitres which is a quantity used in wine. Like the barrel capacity was 70 Hectolitres.
but now with the Henry Lagarde clue in the journal, i think HL just stands for Henry Lagarde.
It's a spot in downtown L.A. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=34.05+N+118.25+W&ie=UTF8&ll=34.050199,-118.250037&spn=0.000627,0.001389&t=h&z=20); I don't get it. :duno:
Once again, I think people are WAAAAAY overthinking the new Mole Journal clues. I saw one definite clue. It says, "You can't be afraid of heights to be the Mole." Who said they were afraid of heights? Nicole and Craig. Bam. They're eliminated. It's that simple.
Of course, I already had those two eliminated. I'm still down to only Paul and Clay with Clay as my number one suspect.
Wow there are a lot of good detective work going on...As for the occupations of the cast, I still think the mole doesn't have a REAL bio, but that is my opinion..I am sticking with Clay being the mole and until he is executed I will believe it, maybe even after he is executed..LOL...I also did a search on him and the only clay cauley is a clay nathaniel cauley sr....maybe he is a sr. but I don't see it...I think his is bogus and that the clues are going to be simple things that people may just overlook, ie: the picture of the pigs in the journal, which are made of...wait for it...CLAY..LOL
OK!!!! I REALLY! SERIOUSLY! Think that the number on the crate behind Jon was a clue! It was only on one crate, the camera angle was in the perfect position for the crate! Just see it! I cant because my screen is too blurry. It is during Jon is explaining the wine bottle mission. The camera glides behind him. :pull
I have two things to say.
#1) Did anyone at least SEE the number on the crate?
#2) There was someone talking about a baby crying, and they couldn't figure out what it meant. Nicole-OBGYN?
In all previous episodes and editions of the Mole, clues to the identity of the mole were included in at least four or more eps. The producers have said that they have included clues during the program and the audience should try to find them. Stuff added and included in the blogs, websites, mole pages, etc. did not lead to the mole; to some of the eliminations, yes, but not to the mole.
Clues to the mole are quietly added to the scenes or are represented by actual things seen in the program: i.e. Andersons apple, sailing ship picture on the wall, etc.
Thus, for no other reason than that it may be a clue, did the camera center on a closeup of a particular label on the wine barrel. Yes, it is an actual, real life, wine barrel label. BUT just may be a clue to the mole. Which we have indicated could be that of a gas used by doctors in surgery (Nicole) or a date of November 20 (Craig)
So I am sure that this is one of the intended clues added by the producers to ep 6.
Thanks Molecule...guess I am not a great searcher..LOL...but I still say he IS the mole :)
Does any OBGYN use laughing gas.....I dont think so. Craigs is more reasonable
In episode 5, the clue card was:
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/ep5clue.jpg)
In that same episode, question 8 on the quiz was as follows:
8. At breakfast before the "Travelers" mission, where was the mole sitting? (clockwise from Jon)
Since the 6 was missing in the clue, you just count around 6 spaces and it ends up on Craig. Assigning the numbers in the clue to the other players in the order they were given looks like this.
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/breakfast.jpg)
I started wondering why the numbers in the clue were in the order they were, and thought that perhaps there was some additional meaning to it.
Since Kristen left that week I started thinking that maybe it was the execution order of the remaining players since she was number 7. The mole cannot be executed so you discard the number 6 and move on. Alex left last week but I still thought maybe that was just coincidence. But with this weeks text clue seeming to point to Nicole (who would be next in the above order) it looks like there is a chance this theory could hold up for one more week.
I am still expecting this to be disproven at any time but until that happens I think I'm gonna run with it. Until then, things don't look so good for Dr. Whiner.
Therefore, the remaining execution order is:
Nicole
Mark
Paul - runner up
Clay - winner
Craig - Mole
Okay, I know most people are saying it's Craig. And I know this isn't new information... But I think Nicole's little stunt tonight about throwing the Quiz seemed a little odd, and quite Moleish. I guarantee she was telling everyone before the quiz that she was planning on throwing in the towel, just so it would be this gigantic shock when she didn't.
I still say she's the Mole.
Hey, everyone! I'm back!
Eh, I figure 'quiting' would be just the kind of overdramatic thing Nicole would do. In fact, this kind of drama is almost expected of her by now. But I'm sure we all know that she is much too proud to quit under any circumstance. In any case, why would the mole consider even saying he/she is going to quit?
a) They can't go through with it anyways, so there is no point.
b) 'Considering' flunking the quiz and then not doing it just seems. . . well, suspicious.
Oh, and personally I think Nicole was telling the truth when she said, "When I sat down at the computer, I knew I couldn't do it." I say this because the result was a tie, and Clay got eliminated.
Now, if you're planning on purposely failing, all you would have to do is enter yourself as the mole in every question of the quiz, which is guaranteed to give you a zero. However there was a tie, which indicates that if Nicole had indeed flunked the test with a 0/10, someone else must have too. It is virtually impossible to get every question wrong by accident, considering many of the questions from this particular quiz had some very one-sided questions (Is the mole Male/Female- There is only one female. Did the mole wear a hat?- Only one person was wearing a hat, etc).
This indicates that in order for there to have been a tie, someone else (namely Clay), must have flunked the test on purpose. And. . . there is no evidence to support that he did.
One last point I think has to be made, these producers are clever. And sneaky. If you go back to previous season's clues, you find that all of them are obvious, but subtle (The apple, the boat painting- they're meanings are obvious now, but then they were easy to overlook). So I think way too much effort is being put into a lot of these analyses.
But don't let that stop any of you. There are a lot of very interesting theories floating around; I'm actually doubting my assumptions that it is Mark.
But not quite.
In episode 3 the clue card was: s666 - LIAr
Starting at the "s", count 6 spaces and you are on the "y". Count 6 more spaces and you are on the "e". Count 6 more spaces and you are on the "k".
Now we have: syek - LIAr
Using an online translator and going from English to Spanish, LIA means "plaited esparto rope".
For the second half of the clue, assign the number which corresponds to the position in the alphabet for LIA. L = 12, I = 9, A = 1.
In the first half we left off on the "k", so start there and go in the opposite direction. Go 12 spaces to the left of "k" and we stop on "y". Now go 9 spaces to the left and we stop on "p". Now go 1 space to the left and we are on "o".
That makes the clue look like this: syek - ypor. Backwards that would be ropy keys.
Either that is as close as they could get to rope keys using LIA in the clue or perhaps that is the way they say it in South America. lol In any event, using the translation for LIA, this solution seems a little too close to just be a coincidence. Now, who had a rope key (or ropy key) in episode 3? And who found the players clothes at a laundromat which just happened to be next door to a key shop?
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/keynecklace.jpg)
One last point I think has to be made, these producers are clever. And sneaky. If you go back to previous season's clues, you find that all of them are obvious, but subtle (The apple, the boat painting- they're meanings are obvious now, but then they were easy to overlook). So I think way too much effort is being put into a lot of these analyses.
But don't let that stop any of you. There are a lot of very interesting theories floating around; I'm actually doubting my assumptions that it is Mark.
But not quite.
But what has Craig done to lose money?
And of course, my most recent discovery. Last nights Widget clue was simply the number 495. If you take the first five numbers that Clay and Nicole entered into the computer on the counting mission, they come to 495. However, iit was Craing who came up with these numbers, Nicole had originally entered some other number and Craign had to correct her. This directly points to Craig.
The clue card for episode 6.
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/episode6.jpg)
At about the same time on the ABC board, 2 guys made the same post containing a shot from Marks journal. So thanks to fallingatlas and tcntk for this.
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/Marksjournal.jpg)
You can see from this that Mark was meticulously keeping track of possible sabotage chances regarding each player. Up to that point in the show there had been 10 missions, and he recorded his thoughts of each player using a "1" if he thought they did something that could be considered sabotage, "0" if he thought they didn't, and a "?" if he wasn't sure.
You can see the players names at the left side of each line, and they are listed alphabetically. The totals from the 10 missions is listed in parenthases at the right side of each line.
Al = Alex (3-3-4)
Cl = Clay (6-3-1)
Cr = Craig (4-2-4)
Kr = Kristen gone
Ni = Nicole (2-4-4)
Paul = Paul (2-4-4)
No offense but THIS is what I'm talking about when I say that some people are thinking about this waaaaaaaaaaay too much. Name one clue on one season of The Mole where a clue has involved this much examination? Counting spaces, replacing letters, come on. Take a step back and consider how ridiculous it is. With enough guessing and moving things around a person can virtually make any clue point to any person if they try that hard and are that determined to make a clue point to the person that they want.
Inserts foot in mouth****** :hearts: Peace love and welcome cincy-David.... its always good to read the beginning before jumping to the end haha Sorry. I just saw one of the clues i picked up and thought the worst!!! I am so sorry and honored that you agree with one of my clues.
Well I just have one thing to add to things that make you go HHHMMM. Why was Paul the only one that had 2 people come to see him? None of the other married couples have kids? mark's wife is prgo with kid #4. And come one Paul you are talking about maybe seeing you with and kid and you pass on several questions... did he know he did not need those and was making the show dramatic?
I was given a flat fee, not of an excessive nature. (Nor even an adequate nature, come to think of it!)What's interesting (to me, anyway) is what the runners-up receive: will it turn out that Ali's acceptance of the bribe was a smart percentage play?
Not really sure what to make of it MooM....I am sure we are all gonna say duh when it is all over as well as all of us looking like a bunch of dummies..LOL :groan:
Does the Mole get any money for being the mole?
What does everyone think of the 23 degrees thing?
A straight payment. According to Bill the Mole (source (http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article4690.art&page=1)):QuoteI was given a flat fee, not of an excessive nature. (Nor even an adequate nature, come to think of it!)What's interesting (to me, anyway) is what the runners-up receive: will it turn out that Ali's acceptance of the bribe was a smart percentage play?
No offense but THIS is what I'm talking about when I say that some people are thinking about this waaaaaaaaaaay too much. Name one clue on one season of The Mole where a clue has involved this much examination? Counting spaces, replacing letters, come on. Take a step back and consider how ridiculous it is. With enough guessing and moving things around a person can virtually make any clue point to any person if they try that hard and are that determined to make a clue point to the person that they want.
Offense? Why would I take offense? I went back and looked at each post you have made for the past month and except for a couple, each one was simply responding to a poster telling them why THEIR post was wrong and/or ridiculous. So why would I take offense because it was my turn? I will take this time though to point out something. You have mentioned numerous times that you believe the moles journal to be the best source of clues, but that seems to be provided we use excerpts that you have decided must be a clue. Otherwise, the comments in the journal are just as silly and useless as you have decided some posters theories to be. Personally, I don't put much stock in the moles journal and prefer to use what I see in the episodes as well as the clues put out by ABC. We do know those ARE clues even though we may not have been able to solve them, or maybe not even have solved them correctly.
Like you, I don't agree with every theory or suggestion that comes along, but I keep it to myself and instead concentrate on those that I believe to be of value. Being a hard core Craig is the Mole fan, of course most of what I post will be what I consider to be evidence that might help confirm that. I don't remember any on this site although there could be, but there has been occasion when I have posted something in an effort to disprove a theory being proposed about another player if I think I have a valid argument against it, and not to disagree with their theory just for the sake of disagreement.
From your previous posts, you say that Victoria was one of your main suspects, then when she was executed you switched to Clay. You were 100% sure Clay was the mole, with Paul as a backup. Why a backup if you were so sure? Now that he is gone, Paul is your mole. I COULD say that relying on the moles journal hasn't exactly provided you a very good track record, but I won't. If that's what you want to depend on the most then more power to you.
Now, you asked for one clue from one season that involved this much examination. There have been no HARD clues to solve in the past but that is because there has been no previous web clues from ABC before. We have only had clues that the producers included in the episodes and opening credits. Most of those were pretty lame......Anderson holding up Katherines bag, eating an apple, picture of a ship, MickeyD, etc. In the six years since the last real mole (celebrity moles don't count because they were pathetic), the internet has become more prevalent in interactive use and is now being utilized to provide the viewer a more involved level of participation with the show.
I agree that clues included within the episodes themselves are relatively simple, subtle, and easy to figure out. For instance, Craig was wearing a key......he found the players clothes next to a key shop. Easy and simple enough for you?
The clues given by ABC on their website are a different matter. To begin with, not everyone that watches the show cares enough to visit the site to even see them. Of the ones that do, only a small percentage of those people care enough to spend more than a few minutes trying to figure out what they mean. Those clues are going to be harder to solve than the subtleties we are given in the show. For instance, s666 - LIAr.
To paraphrase you from a previous post.....Sorry if this sounds condescending, that is not my intention. I'm just trying to post something that will help.
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The Mole Journal is a clue put out by ABC so I don't know why you wouldn't put any stock in it if you said you're going by clues ABC put out. It wouldn't be part of the official ABC Mole website if it wasn't.
Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing? I'm sorry if that's what you think I'm doing because I'm not. I'm just taking a different approach. Everyone can come around and post their theories. I decided to go at it from another angle and try to weed out the theories that I don't think have any merit. It's not like I'm dogging every single theory that's been put forth. If that's what you choose to think though then please ignore my posts.
I picked Victoria before I even knew about the mole's journal. If you read my posts like you said you did then you'd know why I picked both Clay and Paul. I said that all of the clues pointed to the mole being one of them but I wasn't sure which one. I assumed Clay much more strongly than Paul because of Paul's attitude and how he carried himself in the game. Based on the clues I said it was one or the other. But when push came to shove and I had to pick one of them as my horse to ride I had to go on my gut alone. 50/50 chance. I chose the wrong one which leaves me with Paul. If the mole is not Paul then yes, the journal clues were either not that important or I misinterpreted them. I've already providing an in depth, process of elimination post that explains how I got to that point if you care to read it.
I agree that the journal should be taken more seriously than it is on this board.
Where is your indepth analysis of who you think the mole is?
I'd like to rewatch the episode as well Nightstalker but I'm stuck in BB land :gaw
But what has Craig done to lose money?
Thanks so much puddin!!! Your the BEST!!! :hearts:
Ehat does this mean any ideas???
Interesting...
I was just rewatching the end of last week's episode in search of a game question answer--
And during the quiz, when they are showing the computer answers, on the question "When did the Mole see their loved one" the little white cursor arrow went straight to #3...
And #3 was Nicole.
I didn't see that cursor arrow used on any other questions at all, which made this one look pretty blatant.
I'll try to do a screen cap but it won't be till tomorrow.
Thanks so much puddin!!! Your the BEST!!! :hearts:
Ehat does this mean any ideas???
00711
Well, Yonkers has about 10 zip codes ranging from 10701 to 10710. If you rearrange either of those you have 00711. It could point to Paul leaving.
Paul said he put all his answers based on Craig.
Paul is gone so Craig is not the mole. Mark has done too well in winning or helping to win money. He is the big winner because he knows who the mole is.
Craig is left on the outside looking in. Nicole is the mole based on clues (N2O, ETC.
I'm not sure if anybody else said this (or if it's unfounded) but in all the eliminations I've watched, Jon (the host) hasn't even called Craig's name. (It could just be editing though). Of course this might not mean anything if Jon really doesn't know who the mole is.
I figured out the apple clue from fruit of the luge!!!!!!!! lol im hyped i know but "an apple a day keeps the dr. (mole) away"!!!
Did anyone else notice how when Paul drove off Jon say take care "slick"?
Hmmm. Craig maybe? But Jon doesn't know who the Mole is.
Did anyone else notice how when Paul drove off Jon say take care "slick"?
Hmmm. Craig maybe? But Jon doesn't know who the Mole is.
I did not notice this till you mentioned it, so I went back and watched it again.
I know this may sound crazy, but to me it sounded like Jon's voice was a voice over when saying "Take care slick", like it was added in after production. It was noticeably lower than when he said "Take it easy."
I might be listening too hard though....
I'm so glad I didn't jump on the Paul bandwagon. :jumpy: Nicole has been on my suspect list from the beginning, before I started posting on here, and I'm SO glad she's still there, and most likely the Mole.
I missed the episode, but I'm going to watch it as soon as I can online. Excited for the finale!
Did anyone see what was in the reflection of the building when they arrived at the first mission?!?!?!?! :iok
Did anyone see what was in the reflection of the building when they arrived at the first mission?The stack, which can be seen in reflection when they arrive and also during the board-walk, has "estrella" written on it. Unfortunately, Grupo Estrella is a very large corporation in Argentina, so Jon's description of an "abandoned mill on the outskirts of Buenos Aires" will have to do for now.
I am still sticking with Craig. Did anyone notice the shirt he was wearing in the first challenge. For me it looks like a red circle with an animated mole in the middle. Since there is no cross bar like in the road signs for no left turn and such, could this be a clue that Craig is the MOLE, Can anyone with the skills get a shot of this and post it for us all to see.
Dave
Did anyone see what was in the reflection of the building when they arrived at the first mission?!?!?!?! :iok
I am trying to get a shot of it, but it appeared to be a water tower that had the words SITS on it. No clue what it means or if it plays in. It was way to obvious of a reflection though not too. If anyone has a photo, please post.
Dave
Y'all know that Monday 8/4 is the final challenge and quiz, but the big reveal is not until the finale on 8/11? So we won't know the winner or the Mole till 8/11...
So you should be safe to play with us till 8/11, I think!
Ok...well I am probably going to get the I'm reading into things too much talk..LOL...but the clue was reflection...if you turn the letters around it says STIS...I looked it up and it has to do with NASA, and one of the people who invented it was a Mr. Mark Lee...I know it is out there but it could be something..hahaha
Estis also is a family name found often in Illinois and California. Anyone happen to know the maiden name of either Nicole's or Craig's mother?
:waves:
2. The doublet at the bottom, however, has "mole...male" glaringly out of place. THis is the only indication that i can see that the mole could be a male. Combine this with the screen cap floating around of a shot of mark exiting his cell with the words "male...mole" over his shoulder and you might have something!
On the postcard does the use of quotation marks ["] instead of apostophies ['] have any significance?
Welcome to this weeks episode of:GUESS THE OUTCOME
Tonight we find our mole hunters in the difficult position of having to solve a puzzle in 60 minutes in order to defuse a bomb and keep it from blowing $50,000 to smithereens.
The video which puddin linked for us in the episode 9 video thread shows that our trio have found what they think to be the correct answer and with less than one minute left head to the bomb to cut the proper wire and save their money.
They have the wire.......wire cutters are in place.......time ticking down......ready to cut........but of course a problem ensues. They start to chatter and wonder if the wire is the correct one, etc. Ohhhhh, the tension. All that money on the line. Cut the wire and the mole was unsuccessful. The three of the are seen in what appears to be a happy moment of celebration. Yeaaaa molehunters. But does it happen?
The sneek peek video released on ABC also shows the bomb defusing mission also. Toward the end we hear the bomb ticking.....then ticking even faster......just like in the movies when with 1 or 2 seconds left the hero triumphs and deactivates the bomb saving dozens of schoolchildren or a busload of cheerleaders.
But I wonder if it happens. So I am going to try and GUESS THE OUTCOME.
The celebratory pose the three are in says to me that they succeed in stopping the bomb in time. Jon walks in and tells the group: "Congratulations, you have successfully defused the bomb". A moment of silence from him to let the players look happy.......and then......."but we have a problem". "During the mission, there was interference with the timekeeping device. The second hand was prevented from moving for 6 seconds, and since you cut the wire with only 2 seconds remaining, you were actually 4 seconds late and the bomb should have detonated. Therefore, you are penalized 4 seconds and DO NOT win any money for the pot".
All this probably does not happen but I am posting it for 2 reasons. First, I like this outcome better than if they succeed and win the money. Second, in the video on ABC Craig walks over and stops the clock from moving.
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You can see Nicole standing by the board working on the solution, Mark is back by the blue wall, and Craig apparently walks over to the clock to see how much time they have left. He grabs the second hand and it quits moving but you can't tell how long he holds it because the shot cuts away.
I like surprises so I am guessing this outcome. Anyone else want to play and take a shot at it?
I'm wondering, since there is a digital timer hooked to the wires with a readout of the time left, that the clock in the middle isn't really counting down the time but is used as a pointer. Craig could have just been holding it at a certain spot so Mark (since nicole is top of screen) could pinpoint what the laser was lighting up.
That's a picture of Clay.
The ransom note has been bothering me since the When Pigs Fly challenge so I thought to take a look back at it. The one word that jumped out at me was "baby." With all the OBGYN thoughts flying around, it really stood out. Anyway, might be worth going back and watching the eppies while focusing on the final three. Some things might really start to make sense.
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Does Any one have the text clue for week nine???
Also any ideas about this weeks abc clue: 7..26..52???
So far no light bulbs for me but I am still working on it.
The ransom note has been bothering me since the When Pigs Fly challenge so I thought to take a look back at it. The one word that jumped out at me was "baby." With all the OBGYN thoughts flying around, it really stood out. Anyway, might be worth going back and watching the eppies while focusing on the final three. Some things might really start to make sense.
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I may be blind but I don't see "baby", I do see "bapy" Where is the second "B'
The ransom note has been bothering me since the When Pigs Fly challenge so I thought to take a look back at it. The one word that jumped out at me was "baby." With all the OBGYN thoughts flying around, it really stood out. Anyway, might be worth going back and watching the eppies while focusing on the final three. Some things might really start to make sense.
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here is the map with nicole's position added - - mark is the best mole ever
Im Tlling you . I know i was wrong about Paul but theres no wayy Mark is the mole. There are two journal entries that would contradict that
if the mole is someone hired by ABC to SABOTAGE the game than I don't think craig deserves to be paid :groan:
COMPILED From other members.
More Reasons Craig is the Mole:
I am sticking with my Craig is the Mole Theory. Here are some more clues.
July 26, 1952 has a special significance in Argentina, it is the day that Eva Peron died. This could point to Craig...+
Another Clue : Craig said he wanted to own his own business and theres a journal entry with the mole saying that they wanted to own their own business and craig openly said that tonight.
Take a listen to this: Ok, I heard the sounds before the commercials decided to go back on the DVR, record it and toy with it. The first part is the original audio, then reversed, then finally reversed and slowed down. I guess this could be considered (major?) SPOILER MATERIAL so listen at your own risk
http://www.swbcrew.com/moleclue.mp3
One thing i'm really curious about....the dossier. Would the Mole producers want the Mole to get the dossier? or would they want them so far away that it was impossible to get to it before an actual player did? The reason i asked this, is cause i got curious how far away the players were from the final destination (the pointy thing on the bridge). So i went to Google Earth and plotted Craig at Eva Peron's grave and Mark at the National Congress Building. I couldn't plot Nicole cause, well, who knows where here final clue would have been.
The map with their locations can be found here:
http://members.shaw.ca/squeezedrabbi...s/location.jpg
I don't think there's a snowball's chance in the fiery bowels of you know where of Craig ever making it to the bridge before Mark. Since last i checked, Craig's not a crow and cannot fly directly there, he's going to have to go the same distance as Mark all the way to the water THEN walk alllllllll the way down to the bridge. It's over double the distance Mark had to go, which is a straight shot btw.
Perhaps Craig is the mole and they wanted to ensure he didn't get the dossier before anyone else. But wouldn't that have been easy enough to do by slacking off like Nicole did? OR, is it more likely that the producers wanted to ensure the Mole got to the dossier first, thus putting Mark much much closer to the bridge than Craig?
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I think I might have just deciphered a big clue. Back in a thread talking about episode 3, someone noticed that while Jon was telling the players at the spa about the clothes mission, a clock in the background suspiciously gave a different time. Slowhatch said: "Also, if you tell players "it's already after 4 o'clock," don't be standing next to a wall clock that shows 2:46 p.m." I decided to check this out for myself, and here's what I found:
The first shot of the clock shows it displaying a time of 14:26 (or 2:26 pm). (Sorry if the pictures aren't very good.)
Later, after a commercial break, the same thing replays, but then there is a closer up shot of Jon with the clock on the right edge of the picture. This time the clock read 14:4... with the last digit slightly obscure. I was able to get a picture that showed enough of the last digit to reveal that it is a 2 (Check it out with a calculator: no other number works with the image). Thus, the time shows 14:42.
After that, there is a wider shot similar to the first that shows a time of 14:26 again. (So the clock never actually says 14:46.) Jon then says that they have reservations for 6:30 and that it is already past 4.
So, the clock, which suspiciously doesn't show the right time, suspiciously jumps forward 16 minutes and then back again in the space of 10 seconds.
Now for the interesting part. I have previously seen people trying to match up groups of numbers found in the show to passages from the Book of Mark from the Bible to see if they're clues that point to Mark as the mole. I decided to do this and looked up Mark 14:42 (the numbers even have the colon in the right spot). Here, Jesus says to his disciples, "Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”
If that isn't a clue, I don't know what is.
I have only watched episode 9 of this show, but was a huge follower of season 2 and understand that show and how it works. Just from episode 9, I could tell that Craig was the mole. Just from the huge clue in episode 9, that giant piece of artwork that they were at during the final test. It was a huge flower sculpture. The bridge that they were at was a huge piece of art. I think the mole is an artist. Jeezem that's Craig. I've read the past few pages here and haven't seen either the bridge or the flower being cited as clues to who the mole is. Forgive me if it's been mentioned before, but I searched and didn't find it.
MY PERSONAL ENDGAME SENARIO - no one has mentioned yet
craig chooses nicole as the mole
nicole chooses craig as the mole
both are wrong
mark is the best mole ever
Interesting...
I was just rewatching the end of last week's episode in search of a game question answer--
And during the quiz, when they are showing the computer answers, on the question "When did the Mole see their loved one" the little white cursor arrow went straight to #3...
And #3 was Nicole.
I didn't see that cursor arrow used on any other questions at all, which made this one look pretty blatant.
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MoleEp7cursor.jpg)
I still like this clue a lot, as well as the smokestack reflection one. I just know that means something, it is just what that is puzzling me! :lol:
Nicole: "During the Who Said That mission, was The Mole's answer disqualified?"
Does it say "success in the Mole"?
I don't see anything that looks like a name :duno:
I was looking through the mole's journal and found two things. the first being on the page with latitude and longitude. I keyed the coordinates into my GPS and they lead to San Diego, California. Craig's Hometown.
The second is something else i can't make out...i can read "is the mole" but not what's before it can somebody check that, i circled it.
Not sure how you could have gotten San Diego with that. Those coordinates are for downtown Los Angeles.
Craig IS the mole though.
It's a spot in downtown L.A. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=34.05+N+118.25+W&ie=UTF8&ll=34.050199,-118.250037&spn=0.000627,0.001389&t=h&z=20); I don't get it. :duno:
It's Rhyme Time for Nicole:
Too many visual on-air clues that point to one person as the mole
1. N2O (seen on the wine barrel) which could be Nitrous Oxide a gas used by surgeons in some kinds of pregnancies.
2. STIs (the reflection seen in the factory window) which could be for Sexually Transmitted Infections which are treated by doctors
3. Red Wine (seen at all the dinners, and close by Jon on several occassions) which could stand for Good Health a concern of doctors.
4. The curser arrow pointing at "Third" which was Nicoles position in the question asked.
5. The number "3" centered over one cell door and the same cell chosen by Nicole befoe the cell to mole task.
6. The name "NICOLE" seen in reverse through the top of the first page in the mole's dossier as it was scanned by Mark. The question here would be would the producers add the mole's name in such a big headline for Mark to see, or was it added in post-production for only the audience to see?
These clues all follow the same pattern as the clues for Bill in The Mole 2 which centered on he being an admiral.
In conclusion, it seem all to lead to
THE MOLE IS NICOLE
Heck, it even rhymes. :hearts:
If the clues for Craig are so much more concrete than the ones for Nicole, I wish someone would list what the clues are as seen in the on-air program. These are the only clues which will be shown during the last program, items planted on the ABC website or in the "mole's diary" won't be considered during the final expose. So what are the on-air clues for Craig?
I think the definitive clue this season is when Craig said he wanted to open his own business last episode. The moles journal from week 7 said that his goal was to run his own business. This is as concrete as it gets. Craig is the mole.
It's Rhyme Time for Nicole:
Too many visual on-air clues that point to one person as the mole
1. N2O (seen on the wine barrel) which could be Nitrous Oxide a gas used by surgeons in some kinds of pregnancies.
2. STIs (the reflection seen in the factory window) which could be for Sexually Transmitted Infections which are treated by doctors
3. Red Wine (seen at all the dinners, and close by Jon on several occassions) which could stand for Good Health a concern of doctors.
4. The curser arrow pointing at "Third" which was Nicoles position in the question asked.
5. The number "3" centered over one cell door and the same cell chosen by Nicole befoe the cell to mole task.
6. The name "NICOLE" seen in reverse through the top of the first page in the mole's dossier as it was scanned by Mark. The question here would be would the producers add the mole's name in such a big headline for Mark to see, or was it added in post-production for only the audience to see?
7. In the opening title construction just before the letters finally turn into reading MOLE the letters form the word MOM. An OBGYN doctor deals with moms and moms-to-be. So could refer to Nicole.
There are tons of things in everyday life that can be linking to being a doctor. "Uh-oh! Someone washed their hands! Doctors wash their hands! Nicole is the mole!"
If the clues for Craig are so much more concrete than the ones for Nicole, I wish someone would list what the clues are as seen in the on-air program. These are the only clues which will be shown during the last program, items planted on the ABC website or in the "mole's diary" won't be considered during the final expose. So what are the on-air clues for Craig?
Ep 1: At the Robinson Crusoe mission, Jon tells them the Crusoe story is based on the real life of Alexander Selkirk. Selkirks given name at birth was Selcraig. Too much of a coincidence to NOT be a clue. If it wasn't important, it wouldn't have been mentioned. Jon would have simply stated the game is based on Robinson Crusoe and your job is to guess which items he had with him. I hesitate to bring up the number 11 because frankly I am tired of hearing about all the 11 theories. But I would imagine we will be hearing about journal 11 being held up. Whether it refers to Craig being 11th in the credits or whether it means the mole had that number I don't know. But I'm sure we will hear something about it. And they did do a good job of hiding his journal number from us for several episodes, so I'm not sure how it will play out. But all that other 11 stuff people have been grasping at is just silly.
Ep 2: We see Craig show up for a mission for the first time without his glasses. While they are listening to Jons explaination of the game Craig even calls attention to it while on camera by raising his hand to his eyes and rubbing the side of his head. Admittedly not an earth shattering move all in itself but it set the stage for him wearing the glasses sometimes, and sometimes not. Goes along with the lying with my eyes thing.
Ep 3: We are clearly, and frequently, shown Craig wearing a key around his neck. When he finds the laundromat with their clothes it is next door to a key shop. Again, too much coincidence NOT to be a clue. The laundromat wasn't next to a soccerball store or an abortion clinic. It wasn't even next to a business dealing in the graphic arts. It was a key shop.
Ep 4: A somewhat weak clue here would be the large letter "C's" that are on each brick of gold the players have to carry up the mountain. One on each end. A little better clue would be the number seen on the side of the ambulance. It had no relevance to us at the time but later became clear. When we were shown Marks journal in a later episode we were shown that the numbers associated with craig was 424. This number appears in every opening and closing sequence in each episode so that makes this an on-air clue. This also made the number on the ambulance more relevant to us as well. The number was 4245000. Again, a little too coincidental NOT to be a clue. It would be no problem to digitally add this onto the vehicle just as they added things to other episodes.
Ep 5: Lets start with the word Jaime on the side of the building at the beginning of the All For One mission. I'm sure it was added digitally but it was there nonetheless. Jaime is a variant of James and in spanish both names are a variant of Diego. Such as San Diego where Craig lives. Then there was the "CRG" on the wall behind the players while they were chained together. Probably also digitally added but an on-air clue in any case.
Ep 6: During the player confessionals, there are 2 figures on a table behind each person that looks like the letter "i". During a confessional from Clay, these figures mysteriously change into 4 figures right in the middle of his talk. They are only shown for that one brief shot and were most definitely added digitally. There was 4 i's and represent "4 eyes". A term used to describe people that wear glasses. This is also the episode where we get the view of marks journal and see that the number 424 represents Craig. There is also the questionable N20 during this episode, which if it is a clue would represent November 20. Craigs birthday. On-air clues aren't going to be something as involved as "OK audience, N20 is a gas that doctors SOMETIMES use during delivery of a baby so this means our whiney doctor". Pffffttttt.
This is starting to get pretty long so I am going to cut it off here but I think this answers your question. Notice that none of these clues are based on ABC widgets, text clues, player actions, suspicious behavior, or anything of the sort. They are all based on things shown to us during the program and with the exception of N20 if you want to stretch it, they aren't really able to be applied to other players. They are based on facts of the show and are straight forward and don't really require any type of iffy logic. It's a lot like seeing a horse walk by your house. You look at it and say, "hmmm there's a horse". You don't have to twist it around at think perhaps it's really a donkey trying to trick you.
Remember that you have to look at the clues without being swayed or taken in by the red herrings. That's where people get sidetracked because they start looking at the players behaviors and suspicious activity. Every single layer on the show except for maybe Marcie and Liz did things that seemed suspicious. Some of it was on purpose and some of it is because we weren't shown everything surrounding it. And that was on purpose.....it's the nature of the show. They aren't going to give you clues at the beginning that point to one person only to give you clues at the end that point to someone else. You just have to avoid the landmines.
It's time to give it up and embrace Craig as your mole.
One More on-air clue that points to Craig.....That is quite possibly a mole on the front of that t-shirt. Since, the red cirlce has no cross bar, then Craig is a Mole.
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MoleEp8craigsshirt.jpg)
Ep 6: During the player confessionals, there are 2 figures on a table behind each person that looks like the letter "i". During a confessional from Clay, these figures mysteriously change into 4 figures right in the middle of his talk. They are only shown for that one brief shot and were most definitely added digitally. There was 4 i's and represent "4 eyes". A term used to describe people that wear glasses. This is also the episode where we get the view of marks journal and see that the number 424 represents Craig. There is also the questionable N20 during this episode, which if it is a clue would represent November 20. Craigs birthday. On-air clues aren't going to be something as involved as "OK audience, N20 is a gas that doctors SOMETIMES use during delivery of a baby so this means our whiney doctor". Pffffttttt.
but if we are to believe that last weeks clue pointed to Craig and this weeks points to Nicole then where does Mark fit in ....?
[mobile text clues
EP9: MAP REC
EP10: G BOY N is OBGYN
abc clues:
EP9: 7..26..52
EP10: THE MOLE << (blurred)
I see, I thought people were leaning towards last weeks clue to mean La Recoleta Cemetery where Craig was doing his thing with the map .
I'm not sure if anybody else said this (or if it's unfounded) but in all the eliminations I've watched, Jon (the host) hasn't even called Craig's name. (It could just be editing though). Of course this might not mean anything if Jon really doesn't know who the mole is.
:lol: Hey Groovyman - I had mentioned this is a post a week or so ago, but this is way back there, but I confer. Jon has never once shown Craigs results on the Monday night show. (This is to the best of my memory).
Dave
I'm going over to TAR next....
:yess: :wohoo:I'm going over to TAR next....
:jumpy: :hearts: :jumpy:
I thought it was interesting that the latitude and longitude was correct.
Hey! Just came to say goodbye. And maybe the mole could become a cheaper late night show. It doesnt cost much to produce the show, does it? Or maybe an internet series. Or maybe a daytime series. Or maybe a MOVIE! Well, enjoyed the show. Bye!Since you all like detective work, maybe we can interest you all in joining us in our hunt for the Amazing Race? :jumpy:
-MountainsOutOfMoleHills
Jon said that there were buried clues in each episode as to whom the mole was. Some are pretty wishy-washy and actually did not pin point the mole. Such as in ep 2 which only told us that Ali was not the mole. Or in eps 3 and 4 which supposedly told us who the final three were and could have applied to Nicole or Mark also being the mole. The single frame (in very small letters) longitude and latitude for San Diego was even hard to spot going frame by frame. Same for ep 7 when in tiny, tiny letters Rojo Corbata was hidden within the thumb print. And finally the audio clue in ep 9 which was an audio clue being played backwards.
We had some better clues such as N2O and wine.
But the producers did try to aim toward the RRF detectives this time. But how many of the clues could the average audience detect? Probably only three: CRG, 4 i's, and the fact that Craig's name was never called during the execution exercises.
These kinds of hidden clues do not attract a large audience. An audience who is watching the show "on air" and is not reviewing every scene on slo-mo videotape. Yes, it appeals to the sleuths who hang out here, but perhaps a few dozen or so do not an audience build. Sorry to say, I think that the producers did themselves a disservice by making the clues so infintesimal and only detected on frame by frame review of the videotape and so they lost audience as the series progressed (as the downward trend of viewership confirms.)
Again, sorry to say, I think we have seen the last of The Mole. :'(
Saying that, this is the GMan rounding third and being throwed out at home. :waves:
Can someone please remind me about the wine clue? I've forgotten it. Thanks!