Post by: puddin on May 12, 2008, 11:52:21 PM
10/5/08 (Su.) 8:00 PM CBS (#1302) Do You Like American Candy? (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17595.0.html)
10/12/08 (Su.) 8:00 PM CBS (#1303) Did You Push My Sports Bra Off the Ledge? (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17615.0.html)
10/19/08 (Su.) 8:00 PM CBS (#1304) I Wonder If They Like Blondes in New Zealand? (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17653.0.html)
10/26/08 (Su.) 8:00 PM CBS (#1305) Do It Like a Madman (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17721.0.html)
11/2/08 (Su.) 8:00 PM CBS (#1306) Please Hold While I Singe My Skull (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17744.0.html)
11/9/08 (Su.) 8:00 PM CBS (#1307) My Nose Is on Fire (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17766.0.html)
11/16/08 (Su.) 8:00 PM CBS (#1308) I’m Like an Angry Cow (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17762.0.html)
11/23/08 (Su.) 8:00 PM CBS (#1309) That Is Studly (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17796.0.html)
11/30/08 (Su.) 8:00 PM CBS (#1310) You're Gonna Get Me Killed (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17845.0.html)
12/7/08 (Su.) 8:00 PM CBS (#1311) Title N/A
schedule per thefutoncritic (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch.aspx?id=amazing_race&view=listings)
per spoilers.. (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.0.html)
April22-LA Memorial Coliseum to Sao Paulo, Brazil (11 teams of 2)
April23-Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro International Airport, Brazil
April24-Bahia de Brazil --rappel at Elevador Lacerda
April25-Bahia de Brazil --Fortaleza, Brazil find key phrase on painted wall
April26-Fortaleza, Brazil --Bolivia
April27-Fortaleza, Brazil --Bolivia
April28-La Paz, Bolivia (U-Turn sighting)
April29-Santa Cruz, Bolivia (Phil airport Sighting airport not a leg)
April30-Santiago, Chile (airport connection)
May1- (IDL)
May2-Auckland, NZ
May3- Auckland, NZ to Cambodia
May4-Siem Reap/Angkor Watt, Cambodia ( 7 teams?)
May5-Siem Reap, Cambodia
May6-Thailand International Airport-Delhi India---New Delhi, India ( connection/aiport) (6 teams)
May7- New Delhi, India.....
May8- Old Delhi
May9- Delhi to Kazakhstan
May10- Almaty, Kazakhstan
May11-Moscow, Russia
May12- Moscow, Russia
May13- Moscow, Russia --Frankfurt, Germany(connection only) to USA Portland, Oregon
Thanks to Neobie for the map
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Route Map, thanks to CBS
1. Salvador, Brazil
2. Fortaleza, Brazil
3. La Paz, Bolivia
4. Te Puke, New Zealand
5. Siem Reap, Cambodia
6. New Delhi, India
7. Old Delhi, India
8. Almaty, Kazakhstan
9. Moscow, Russia
10. Moscow, Russia
11. Portland, Oregon
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Post by: Mrs Shrek on May 13, 2008, 05:06:19 PM
It seems strange that there would be no sightings from all those blog happy European tourists, but if they took a route off the beaten path, then it could help account for the disappearance of our racers, and the delay/absence of any tourist blogs.
From a production point of view, it is better to lose the race detectives in the second half of the filming, to keep the end bootlist secret, and the route could possibly have been planed to reduce the risk of sightings in the second half of filming. :duno:
Post by: patlini on May 13, 2008, 08:41:37 PM
last time around we didn't anything of them in Ireland, Lithuania or Italy so I think Europe will be in the mix
Post by: gingerman28 on May 13, 2008, 09:33:42 PM
Post by: apskip on May 13, 2008, 10:50:02 PM
per spoilers.. (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.0.html)
April22-LA to Sao Paulo, Brazil (11 teams of 2)
April23-Sao Paulo, Brazil
April24-Bahia de Brazil --rappel at Elevador Lacerda
April25-Bahia de Brazil
April26-somewhere South America
April27-somewhere South America
April28-La Paz, Bolivia (U-Turn sighting)
April29-Santa Cruz, Bolivia (Phil Sighting)
April30-Santiago, Chile (airport)
May1- (IDL)
May2-
May3-
May4-Siem Reap/Angkor Watt, Cambodia (6 or 7 teams?)
May5
May6-Thailand International Airport (5 or 6 teams?)
May7-Delhi India?
May8-Dubai International Airport?
May9-
May10-
May11-
May12-
May13-USA Portland Oregon?
May14-USA Portland Oregon?
puddin, this looks basically right. I count 6 legs there before Dubai International Airport. It is not clear whether a stop in Dubai makes it 7. I have been working for hours on various scenarios of flights for legs 7, 8, 9 and 10 assuming that teams go right on from Dubai. Here is what I have:
May 8 leg 7 DBX ALA (Almaty) to take AR13 to Kazakhstan for 24 hours 0705 1030
May 9 TransAtlantic641 and 941 from ALA through TSE (Astana) to FRA 1610 2135
May 10 leg 8 Frankfurt for 24 hours(tasks plus pitstop)
May 11 leg 9 FRA to somewhere else close in Germany (Baden Baden, Heidleberg, Stuttgart, Mannheim, Mainz Koblenz, Cologne would be among the top choices for such a side trip)
May 12 finish that leg with a 36 hour extended pitstop
May 13 leg 10 FRA PDX 0945 1120 LH 468, then tasks around the Portland area until FINISH LINE
Post by: puddin on May 13, 2008, 11:18:54 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on May 13, 2008, 11:40:13 PM
I think that one or two legs in Europe is quite viable, the racers usually self drive so that is harder to spoil and as it is getting down to the wire less teams so not so much herding in big groups.
last time around we didn't anything of them in Ireland, Lithuania or Italy so I think Europe will be in the mix
I agree that self driving would make the teams harder to spot, and I also know that BvM's quotes can often be taken with a pinch of salt, but heading straight off to Europe just doesn't seem very "original and insane"
Visiting somewhere like Kazakhstan, or bypassing Europe all together would perhaps help fill those criteria :duno:
Post by: apskip on May 14, 2008, 07:03:48 AM
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I count 6 legs there before Dubai International Airport. It is not clear whether a stop in Dubai makes it 7. I have been working for hours on various scenarios of flights for legs 7, 8, 9 and 10 assuming that teams go right on from Dubai. Here is what I have:
May 8 leg 7 DBX ALA (Almaty) to take AR13 to Kazakhstan for 24 hours 0705 1030
May 9 641 and 941 from ALA through TSE (Astana) to FRA 1610 2135
May 10 leg 8 Frankfurt for 24 hours(tasks plus pitstop)
May 11 leg 9 FRA to somewhere else close in Germany (Baden Baden, Heidleberg, Stuttgart, Mannheim, Mainz Koblenz, Cologne would be among the top choices for such a side trip)
May 12 finish that leg with a 36 hour extended pitstop
May 13 leg 10 FRA PDX 0945 1120 LH 468, then tasks around the Portland area until FINISH LINE
OK, I have continued thinking about this and there are a few things I don't like about it:
1. only 1 leg in Kazakhstan. Why not 2?
2. There aren't 11 legs, which would include 2 TBCs/non-elimins plus 8 elimination points plus 1 Finale.
So, what have I done about that. You guessed it, an alternate speculation:
May 8 leg 7 DBX ALA (Almaty) 0705 1030 followed by tasks
May 9 leg 8 KC854 ALA TSE(Astana) 1540 1740 followed by tasks
May 10 leg 9 TSE FRA TransAtlanic921 1500 1710 TSE FRA folowed by going somewhere within 2 hours of Frankfurt. Choices include Baden Baden, Heidleberg, Stuttgart, Mannheim, Mainz Koblenz, and Cologne. I've been to all except Stuttgart(which was visited by an earlier Amazing Race) and all are worth a visit.
May 11 tasks
May 12 release from 36 hour pitstop
May 13 leg 11 FRA PDX 0945 1120 LH 468, then tasks around the Portland area until FINISH LINE
There it is, not the way I would normally do it but if you need to fit 5 legs into 6 days one the few ways that can be done. I will add that I researched all flights from AMS to PDX and from FRA to PDX. There is only one that gave me a morning arrival, LH468 as shown above. Also I did serious research to come up with the two character airline code for Trans Atlantic Airlines, but it appears that there isn't one.
Post by: georgiapeach on May 14, 2008, 07:39:14 AM
Adding that I believe the finale to be May 14, not 13 with teams possibly arriving Portland 5/14 AM as is traditionally done?
And wondering if there is any possibility of bringing them in via Vancouver? (pure spec on my part as Vancouver/Victoria would be something I would LOVE to see). I see arr flights at Portland from there, but have no idea if getting teams TO Vancouver is possible! :lol:
Post by: patlini on May 14, 2008, 08:58:19 AM
Also Georgia and Armenia.
Post by: Zack. on May 14, 2008, 11:47:35 AM
Other possibilities? more of the Baltic states, Bulgaria, Crete (probably flying from Athens), Romania, Albania.
Post by: apskip on May 14, 2008, 02:49:56 PM
There are no non-stop flights from Toronto to Portland. However, there are good connections in the right time frames involving United Airlines:
UA1101 YYZ ORD 0625 0707 connect with UA257 ORD PDX 0801 1023
AC8497 YYZ DEN 0845 1020 connect with UA369 DEN PDX 1117 1255
UA1103 YYZ ORD 0800 0842 connect with UA1103 ORD PDX 1020 1236
The problem with Toronto is that coming in from FRA there are 6 nonstops, but all arrive in the afternoon. From AMS it's one afternoon and two evening nonstop arrivals for a total of 3.
From Vancouver, the fundamentals are marginal to start with. The distance from Europe to YVR is about the same as to PDX. Flights in to YVR include no nonstops from AMS; there are 2 single-connection in LHR flights. From FRA there is one nonstop into YVR, LH492 1310 1420 but it is not in the right time frame. That arrival is too late to get a full set of tasks done that day and its too early to transfer teams to flights that leave the next morning. I cannot rationalize Vancouver as a transit point or leg stopover for AR13.
Post by: gingerman28 on May 14, 2008, 08:53:44 PM
Like you apskip's, I would love to see the race go to Kazakhstan but wish we had some hard proof, still we can keep our fingers crossed. Its just beautiful from what I've seen :tup:
That is where all the Russian space capsuls land. Maybe some kind of connection.
Post by: apskip on May 14, 2008, 08:56:04 PM
I also did the same type of analysis for Paris-CDG and for London-Heathrow and Madrid and none had any nonstop flights to PDX. I extended that analysis to several additional major European cities. None has any nonstop flights. That includes Prague, Helsinki, Stockholm and Lisbon. These cities can do a front end flight to connect into LH468 from FRA or NW91 from AMS even though they have no nonstop flights:
Copenhagen SA5639 0700 0840 CPH FRA
Warsaw KL1362 0645 0835 WAW AMS
Vienna UA8959 0635 0800 VIE FRA
Rome LH3853 0645 0845 FCO FRA or KL1596 0615 0845 FCO AMS
Post by: apskip on May 14, 2008, 08:58:10 PM
Like you apskip's, I would love to see the race go to Kazakhstan but wish we had some hard proof, still we can keep our fingers crossed. Its just beautiful from what I've seen :tup:
That is where all the Russian space capsuls land. Maybe some kind of connection.
GMAn, right you are. Its near Almaty which when I was growing up was called Alma Ata and there was a Russian space center there.
Post by: Neobie on June 10, 2008, 06:00:29 AM
ETA: Getting mixed up over India again. Did the teams leave Cambodia on the 6th, arriving in Delhi that evening? And they were seen in Dubai airport by the night of the 7th? :pull
| Leg 1 | Los Angeles to Sao Paulo to to Salvador | 22/23/24 April | ||
| Leg 2 | Salvador to Fortaleza | 25/26 April (speculative end date) | ||
| Leg 3 | Fortaleza to La Paz (maybe Santa Cruz between) | 27/28/29 April | ||
| Leg 4 | La Paz to Auckland | 30 April, 1/2 May | ||
| Leg 5 | Auckland to Cambodia | 3/4 May Extended Pitstop from night of 4th to morning of 6th? | ||
| Leg 6 | Cambodia to Delhi | 6 May | ||
| Leg 7 | Delhi to Dubai | 7 May (speculative end date) | ||
| Leg 8 | Dubai to somewhere | 8/9 May (speculative dates) | ||
| Leg 9 | Somewhere to Moscow | 10 May (speculative dates) | ||
| Leg 10 | Moscow to somewhere | 11/12 May (speculative dates) | ||
| Leg 11 | Somewhere to Frankfurt to Portland | 13/14 May (speculative start date) |
Post by: JonLover on June 10, 2008, 08:41:30 AM
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I tried solving the question whether TAR13 went to Dubai for tasks or not.
I went around the city by riding a cab. I hailed around 15 taxis just to ask the drivers if they have seen some sort of people running around the city, with backpacks and camera crew running after them.
I went to the Dubai Airport Terminal 1 to ask some of the employees there if there are gossips of TAR coming to the airport. I was a little tame here since I am afraid they might think I am a terrorist.
I went to the famous landmarks of Dubai to ask the people working in the vicinity. I went to Burj Dubai, Burj Al Arab, Souk Madinat, Dubai Marina, Old and New Souq.
But the answer was NONE.
Could it be teams just had connecting flights here? And if the spoiler is right that there is a team of JEWISH FRATS, I doubt if they go to any Arab countries like UAE since it is very risky to enter the country.
Just my thoughts
Post by: apskip on June 10, 2008, 09:41:51 AM
Post by: Neobie on June 10, 2008, 09:46:27 AM
Time is very tight in the second half of the race though...
Speculation? Exactly the way I feel about Kazakhstan.
Post by: puddin on June 12, 2008, 07:37:28 PM
It's not perfect but now we have a base of sorts to work with..........it will be updated when we get more info and when I come across something that was overlooked.
If the slides annoy you press "view all images"
Also the dates on the slideshows are the date they were uploaded by me, not the date they were taken.
Post by: puddin on June 12, 2008, 07:45:02 PM
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Post by: puddin on June 12, 2008, 11:02:00 PM
Post by: puddin on June 12, 2008, 11:07:54 PM
Post by: puddin on June 12, 2008, 11:10:54 PM
Old Delhi
Post by: puddin on June 12, 2008, 11:11:54 PM
Almaty, Kazakhstan
Post by: puddin on June 12, 2008, 11:12:32 PM
Moscow, Russia
Post by: puddin on June 12, 2008, 11:16:01 PM
Moscow, Russia 5/?/08
I found some info here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.msg302201.html#msg302201) for WRP Group/ CBS in Russian:
12.05.2008 Sb “ASPECT” insured the civil liability of the American telecommunication companies CBS Of corporation and WRP Of group. The responsibility of companies is insured to the period of conducting the surveys of tv program in the territory of Russia. Limit of the responsibility of insurer - 1[mln] of US dollars
peach (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.msg302202.html#msg302202) follows up with:
*And I can't exactly say how I know , but I just got confirmation that the race was definitely in Delhi as we suspected, and also was in Moscow!!
production slideshow , again thanks to schwarzmoor's find
Map thanks to Boingo
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Pitstop! All-Russia Centre (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15372.msg304136.html#msg304136)
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Post by: puddin on June 12, 2008, 11:21:57 PM
Post by: puddin on June 12, 2008, 11:32:51 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 13, 2008, 01:33:10 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on June 13, 2008, 06:39:05 AM
But maybe put it directly in the Page 1 update? You are too modest... :kuss:
Post by: apskip on June 13, 2008, 09:40:20 AM
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peach gives us the final pitstop a day before the race ends...
Final Pitstop! Pittock Mansion
Now, my recollection is that the Finale was May 14 and Peach's public statement about where the pitstop was was on May 14. That's would seem to me to be the same day. Despite what the local newspaper indicated, there was no race on Thursday May 15 because it was already over.
Post by: apskip on June 13, 2008, 09:49:28 AM
Post by: Chateau d If on June 13, 2008, 02:56:03 PM
puddin stated:Quotepeach gives us the final pitstop a day before the race ends...
Final Pitstop! Pittock Mansion
Now, my recollection is that the Finale was May 14 and Peach's public statement about where the pitstop was was on July 14. That's would seem to me to be the same day. Despite what the local newspaper indicated, there was no race on Thursday May 15 because it was already over.
Well she did tell us a day before the race ended.
Us just does not include you.
Post by: georgiapeach on June 13, 2008, 03:13:58 PM
puddin stated:Quotepeach gives us the final pitstop a day before the race ends...
Final Pitstop! Pittock Mansion
Now, my recollection is that the Finale was May 14 and Peach's public statement about where the pitstop was was on July 14. That's would seem to me to be the same day. Despite what the local newspaper indicated, there was no race on Thursday May 15 because it was already over.
Heee...looks like I have until July 14 to spill the beans anyway! :lol:
And yes, Delhi has been confirmed as a pitstop for some time now. ;)
But Kathmandu? Where the heck did that come from? ???
Jason, our wonderful blogger, went on to Kathmandu and had a great time, but the Race? To the best of my knowledge, there is zero evidence for the race going to Kathmandu...although yes, it is a fabulous place!
Post by: puddin on June 13, 2008, 03:40:12 PM
This is speculation so maybe thats where Kathmandu came from?
Me? I want Sucre, Bolivia for the second leg, just dreaming here :waves:
And while I'm here I think another leg in India and or somewhere Russia will fill in the blanks in the missing leg (s) ( the dates really are tight huh?)
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 13, 2008, 05:11:27 PM
( the dates really are tight huh?)
I guess that in itself would fulfil BVM's criteria of this season being crazy and insane....
Post by: puddin on June 13, 2008, 05:24:21 PM
puddin stated:Quotepeach gives us the final pitstop a day before the race ends...
Final Pitstop! Pittock Mansion
Now, my recollection is that the Finale was May 14 and Peach's public statement about where the pit stop was was on May 14. That's would seem to me to be the same day. Despite what the local newspaper indicated, there was no race on Thursday May 15 because it was already over.
Oh now I see what your saying apskips :res:. peach knew the Pittock Mansion was the finish line because we talked on the phone that day. the 12th to be exact, ( I have the bills to prove it :lol:) extensively and she told me "I know where the final mat is!!" and she wanted to post it but, after a talk with Chateau & I she felt that revealing the Mansion was not a good idea as the media & mass would have been at the doorstep tripping the racers as they ran to the mat :neener:. Not that peach needs it but, I can vouch for her word , it unfolded as it was happening and all because peachs wonderful people skills .., she really is a peach :tup: :hugs: :hearts:
Post by: Chateau d If on June 13, 2008, 05:53:16 PM
Post by: puddin on June 13, 2008, 07:06:05 PM
Yes that. And I e-mailed Peach a GE view of the Mansion grounds shortly after she told me the name of the place. That e-mail is time-stamped May 12th.We were even on the phone and we were trying to get the little google map man up the mansion driveway and peach was cracking me up because she had him standing on top of the car, I was :funny:
Post by: georgiapeach on June 13, 2008, 07:24:36 PM
But pssst--it was on the 13th! :tup:
I love you all too and thanks... :ghug:
But Hey! The finale is SO last month! :zz:
Who wants to help me find the START?? :lol3:
And what about Forteleza? ??? Is that a real possibility?
Post by: Chateau d If on June 13, 2008, 07:42:04 PM
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Who wants to help me find the START??
You missed your chance to bargain with BVM ! One start for one finish
Post by: puddin on June 13, 2008, 08:22:22 PM
And I kept seeing backpackers on the driveway! :lol: Fun!
But pssst--it was on the 13th! :tup:
I love you all too and thanks... :ghug:
But Hey! The finale is SO last month! :zz:
Who wants to help me find the START?? :lol3:
And what about Forteleza? ??? Is that a real possibility?
I don't even understand why theirs any doubt and why we feel that have to prove what we know is true. If it were some newbie with 1 post I would understand the doubts but this is peach were talking about not some new kid on the block :res: :hand:
Post by: georgiapeach on June 13, 2008, 08:29:09 PM
QuoteWho wants to help me find the START??
You missed your chance to bargain with BVM ! One start for one finish
DARN! :lol3: Now why didn't I think of that??!! :funny: :funny:
The ultimate irony for this forum was the three of us having the info and all three of us not feeling that sharing it was the right thing to do. And then also to actively want to help be sure the actual site would be secure until they were done with filming. Isn't that just bizarre?? :rotf:
But thanks to puddin and Chateau we did our part, I think! So despite our love of spoiling, sometimes the RACE itself comes first, as it did that day. And I am so, so proud of our team for that! :hearts:
But really guys...
Moving onwards now! :carryon: :dancer:
Post by: puddin on June 13, 2008, 09:01:11 PM
I finally found a team in the album. It's the mother and son team!
Could it be a roadblock? It seems he's going to retrieve a net which contains the fish
Looks like another dried fish task in the works ??? :lol:
From the shots in the floating village on Tonle Sap
We know the Roadblock is at Angkor sooooooo we know the Mom/Son are doing a detour
I think this is the task being set up hired locals , they are bringing the net baskets and wooden boats, the fish are in the pens and this is where they have to retrieve them? also we see Phil being filmed near the fish pens.
We see the Mom/Son team returning? a basket/net to the one boat. But we hear from the one witness that the African American team was loading baskets into the back of one of the blue trucks that we see. And where do the 7 boats with flags come in?
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Post by: georgiapeach on June 13, 2008, 09:53:48 PM
So our team in the water...
Are they retrieving a fish basket? Have to get so many of the little suckers? :lol:
Oh my...I'm having season 10 flashbacks where we had darn fish everywhere! :lol3: I don't think we ever did find the Tanzanian ones after they cancelled that pitstop...
And the blue trucks? I've been thinking they were on them after the boats but before Angkor Wat...
But suppose it is the other way around? Suppose the trucks are taking them to Tonle Sap for the water task...and maybe they come back to Sien Reap on the nice boats?? And is this getting to be a lot to do in one day? ???
Post by: Neobie on June 15, 2008, 02:10:36 AM
Map fixed (and moved downthread)!
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 15, 2008, 11:31:11 PM
Thanks to GeorgiaPeach, we now confirm that Chateau and Apskip were correct! :jam:
Map fixed!
That solves it then, the south american part of the map looks correct now!!!.
Leg 1: Los Angeles, California ^^^^^ Sao Paulo, Brazil
Leg 2: Sao Paulo, Brazil ^^^^^ Salvador de Bahia, Brazil
Leg 3: Salvador de Bahia, Brazil ^^^^^ Fortaleza, Brazil
Leg 4: Fortaleza, Brazil ^^^^^ La Paz and Santa Cruz (Pitstop), Bolivia
( One leg in these four is a Non Elimination Leg)
Leg 5: Santa Cruz, Bolivia ^^^^^ Auckland, New Zealand (1 Hour from my home :pull)
Leg 6: Auckland, New Zealand ^^^^^ Siem Reap Town, Cambodia
Leg 7: Siem Reap Town, Cambodia ^^^^^ Dehli, India
Leg 8: Dehli, India ^^^^^ Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Leg 9: Dubai, United Arab Emirates ^^^^^ ...................... (I believe this is Kazachstan)
Leg 10: ...................... (I believe this is Kazachstan) ^^^^^ Moscow, Russia
Leg 11: Moscow, Russia ^^^^^ Frankfurt, Germany ^^^^^ Portland, Oregon
This excludes flight connections (layovers) and so on!!
Post by: puddin on June 16, 2008, 12:13:06 AM
3 legs in SA
Fortaleza = speculation
Kazakhstan = speculation
AHA! Remember 1311?
Matt flies to Auckland next, which from here is 1304. So I guess there are three legs in South America.
(Fred and Brent go to cover 1303, which means Bolivia.)
Cambodia would be Leg 5, and Leg 6 India, or maybe Cambodia Part II. Wow!
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 16, 2008, 12:58:21 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2008, 05:28:24 AM
I actually woke up with some dates bothering me, so maybe y'all can help??
April 23 --what happened on that day? Where are our guys and what are they doing? Why do we not see them till elevator on 4/24? Are they sleeping outside somewhere that night?
April 29-30--okay, bear with me here and then set me straight...
Chateau figured it out (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15365.msg301631.html#msg301631) long before we had confirmation from the blogger that the teams were actually seen in La Paz on the 28th...making the pitstop that night (28).
We see Phil (passing thru?) Santa Cruz on the 29th. We know he likes to stay a jump ahead of the teams.
We see teams arriving in Santiago airport tired and dirty on the 30th, prior to the flight to Auckland.
We can assume that production needs to be absolutely sure that teams do NOT miss that flight to Auckland, or things really will go haywire. So we can guess that they might want them in or very nearby Santiago in plenty of time to be sure they can not miss the flight...so no tight connections into Santiago--instead, have them already there.
So if that is true, looks like the choices would be:
An extended pitstop in La Paz, with leisurely travel to Santiago on the 30th to catch that flight. So if this is the case, wouldn't teams be arriving clean and rested, fresh off their extended pitstop w/ loads of time to bathe and do laundry? ??? And arr late that day could mean a possibility of missing the Auckland flight if they get held up along the way...
OR...could we possibly squeeze in an actual leg .....in or nearby Santiago??
Pitstop night of 4/28 La Paz
Travel to Santiago 4/29 (Phil a little ahead of the teams on the morning of 4/29 going via Santa Cruz)
Arrival later (when??) in Santiago...
(apskip has told us HERE (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15365.msg301088.html#msg301088) that:
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So, it takes much of the day to get to Santiago and the plane arrives at 1725 if from either LaPaz or Santa Cruz. This dictates that the arrival day in SCL has to be Tuesday April 29(alowing a REST DAY) or Wed. April 30 to connect with LAN 801 at 2245 on 4/30.
Tasks...
(But how to fit in a pitstop? Is there time? We have maybe 24 hours here from when teams could arr Santiago 1725 4/29 to when teams are back at Santiago airport 4/30...Possible? Or could we see the return of the "keep on racing" here?)
Tasks on 4/30 making them tired and dirty...
Arrival 5 ish to Santiago airport 4/30 ....and a long flight to Auckland giving them time to rest up a little.
I'm also looking for 11 legs and keep coming up short...But this would help:
Leg 1 LA to Salvador
Leg 2 somewhere in SA
Leg 3 La Paz
Leg 4 Santiago area
Leg 5 North Island, NZ
Leg 6 Siem Reap, Cambodia
Leg 7 Delhi, India
Leg 8 unknown
Leg 9 unknown
Leg 10 Moscow
Leg 11 race to Portland finale
OR:
Leg 8 unknown
Leg 9 Moscow
Leg 10 unknown
Leg 11 race to Portland finale
Anyway, this is all "woke up from a sound sleep" thinking about this thinking...
So what do y'all think?
Could we squeeze in one more SA leg...or not? ???
:helpme
Post by: apskip on June 16, 2008, 09:29:55 AM
Earliest arrival if on April 29 would be at 1725 and the flight out to Auckland leaves Santiago at 2245 on April 30. There would be time for a TBC in Santiago, but not a full pitstop. There is no reasonable way teams could finish tasks within hours after arrival. It is possible that a task schedule for Santiago was very quick and compact, but I doubt it. The REST DAY hypothesis is still the most likely, although that begs the question of why the teams were dirty.
Post by: puddin on June 16, 2008, 10:11:46 AM
Yet another blog: (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.msg301833.html#msg301833)
Tuesday, May 6, 2008
Just to catch up....
So I just got back into Thailand from Cambodia.... which is why i haven't posted in a while. Ends up that Cambodia is not a telecommunications mecca. Anyways, everything has kinda been a whirlwind. Covered 3 countries in 2 weeks and it kinda feels like we are on "The Amazing Race".... and i mean literally. Yesterday we were in Angkor Wat (more of that story later... it is AMAZING... you should look up pictures... seriously a Wonder of the Ancient world--- i thought better than the stuff i saw in Rome) The Amazing Race was filming at Angkor the same day we were there. AND THEN... we end up at the airport to fly to Bangkok from Cambodia... and who was on our airplane.... thats right.... 3 teams competing on the next season of the Amazing Race. We are sitting there and then all the sudden all these camera and sound guys are filming everything. And the producer guy was sitting in the seat right behind me and vida. CRAZY!! So now we consider ourselves official unofficial cast members. And before all this started I was telling vida that i thought it felt like we were on the amazing race.
and yet another blog (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.msg302210.html#msg302210)
more Siem Reap (http://paulmarkthirnan.blogspot.com/2008/05/angkor-wat-cambodia.html)
We didn't manage to take a picture of it but i think we ran into a couple doing the Amazing Race here. We'll have to check out the next season but the couple was being followed by a camera man and they had to find a specific face in the ruins. I did my best to make a cameo between this and Bollywood I am really getting my face out there.
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 16, 2008, 03:03:41 PM
Leg 1 L.A to Salvador, Brazil??
Post by: Chateau d If on June 16, 2008, 03:17:27 PM
Post by: puddin on June 16, 2008, 05:31:18 PM
I want to play with the fish :sucksI finally found a team in the album. It's the mother and son team!
Could it be a roadblock? It seems he's going to retrieve a net which contains the fishLooks like another dried fish task in the works ??? :lol:
From the shots in the floating village on Tonle Sap
We know the Roadblock is at Angkor sooooooo we know the Mom/Son are doing a detour
I think this is the task being set up hired locals , they are bringing the net baskets and wooden boats, the fish are in the pens and this is where they have to retrieve them? also we see Phil being filmed near the fish pens.
We see the Mom/Son team returning? a basket/net to the one boat. But we hear from the one witness that the African American team was loading baskets into the back of one of the blue trucks that we see. And where do the 7 boats with flags come in?
Back to playing with the fish
Hes wet as in wading in Tonle Sap Lake wet ..
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2008, 02:38:05 AM
So thanks to Puddin, Rob and Nivaldo, we have our lost SA leg in Fortaleza!!
But....filming 4/25? When they are doing the Elevator task in Salvador on the 24th? How can this work?
How can we get them to and from there please? Does this then also make Forteleza an extended Pitstop?? (Leg 2 Netherlands was an extended one last season...)
Can someone please spell out for me when they have to leave to get to La Paz by the 28th? And how they get there from Salvador so fast?
And re Portugal:
Hmmmm....In AllStars when the first legs were all in SA...wasn't the sequester NOT in Portugal for the first few teams? Are we all convinced that the first teams DO go to Portugal this time??
I totally agree with the need for a minder to take the elim'd teams there. and know this is the most likely scenario..but just don't want to overlook any faint possibility that Portugal does not = sequester...
Post by: Neobie on June 22, 2008, 03:11:35 AM
(They'd better make this one though, the next one is TAM arriving three and a half hours later!)
Let's say Fortaleza's a regular Pit Stop, and teams depart at 2am on the 26th. Using the entire day to get to Sao Paulo if they need to (many many flights a day), they'd still be able to catch Aerosur to La Paz (connecting through Santa Cruz), departing at 4pm and arriving 8pm that same night. Which leaves the 27th blank... so...
I'd agree with GeorgiaPeach, Fortaleza's probably an extended Pit Stop!
(I'd upgrade Fortaleza to confirmed then?)
Map moved downthread!
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2008, 10:02:06 AM
Post by: apskip on June 22, 2008, 01:44:19 PM
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But....filming 4/25? When they are doing the Elevator task in Salvador on the 24th? How can this work?
How can we get them to and from there please? Does this then also make Forteleza an extended Pitstop?? (Leg 2 Netherlands was an extended one last season...)
Can someone please spell out for me when they have to leave to get to La Paz by the 28th? And how they get there from Salvador so fast?
Let's take thesee one at a time. I have always had a problem with teams not reaching Salvador mid-afternoon on April 23. It appears that maybe they did. They start tasks late afternoon on the 23rd and continue with the elevator task on the morning of April 24. They they start a pitsotp in the early afternoon and get released from it early morning April 25. They take the following flights:
Quote by apskip, post #146 in Timelines thread, 6/09/08, with a few minor additions
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Here is what could have happened beteen Salvador and Bolivia:
April 25 Salvador to Forteleza
flight possibiities SSA to FOR include:
GOL1642 0645 0940
GOL1260 1100 1350
TAM8003 1130 1310
TAM3366 0230 0415
TAM3894 1900 2210
SSA REC TAM3152 2150 2300 connecting with REC FOR TAM3158 2340 0055
GOL1830 1700 1940
GOL1804 2250 2355
April 26
tasks and pitstop in Fortaleza
April 27 Fortaleza to Bolivia via Sao Paulo
GOL1402 0605 0950
GOL1773 1150 1530
TAM 3301 1715 2015
TAM 3302 1330 1830
TAM 3717 1410 1745
GOL1789 1440 1810
GOL1849 2000 2330
I add these flights to get from GRU to VVI:
TAM Mercosur 707 GRU ASU 1530 1710, connecting in ASU with TAM Mercosur 705 GRU ASU 1830 2010
and these to get from GRU to LPB(which is what teams probably did):
TACA130 GRU LIM 1755 2100 connecting in LIM with TACA35 LIM LPB 2155 0045
LANPeru780 GRU LIM 1530 1840 connecting in LIM with LANPeru 567 LIM LPB 0025 0305
So, that basically indicates that:
1. You can get from SSA to FOR on the morning of April 25.
2. A extended pitstop is possible but there should be a third pitstop before Bolivia. We have shed no light on that, although it could be a TBC that occurs in Santiago.
3. The way teams get from Fortaleza to Bolivia is an arduous set of flights that go first to Sao Paulo and then to either Asuncion or Lima before landing in Santa Cruz or in LaPaz. If there is an extended pitstop his can be done on the 27th if teams start early. Otherwise, the 26th if teams start early.
4. Could the extra leg be a second one in Bolivia if there eas no extendede pitstop in Fortaleza? Yes, it definitely could.
Post by: Neobie on June 22, 2008, 07:18:21 PM
There seems to be a quicker flight connecting through Santa Cruz than TACA's 12.45am arrival; Aerosur flight combination 301/211 departs Sao Paulo at 4.00pm and arrives in La Paz at 8.30pm.
I think we should keep Salvador on April 24. The girls were seen at Rio that morning right? Unless... they're really that far behind...
I'm deducing from the whiteboard's "1304 = Auckland" that there are three legs in South America. So here's what I have:
Day One - April 22 (confirmed - sightings in Los Angeles & Chicago)
Depart morning from Los Angeles, half connect through Chicago
Arrive evening at Sao Paulo
Day Two - April 23
Spend the day in Sao Paulo, maybe racing for departure times on Day Three (as per usual)
Day Three - April 24 (confirmed - sightings in Rio de Janeiro)
Depart morning from Sao Paulo for Salvador
Salvador Pit Stop in the evening
Day Four - April 25 (confirmed - Nivaldo spoiler)
Depart Salvador in the morning for Fortaleza
Fortaleza Pit Stop in the afternoon
Day Five - April 26
Extended Pit Stop
Day Six - April 27
Depart early morning for La Paz, arriving at night
Day Seven - April 28 (confimed - sightings in La Paz)
Racing in La Paz
But what happens on April 29, for teams to arrive at night in Santiago on the 30th, tired and dirty? Phil's in Santa Cruz, but does this mean anything? A leg that goes from La Paz to Santa Cruz ending in a TBC, or something else completely?
Post by: apskip on June 22, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
I cannot accept as credible reports that teams float around both Sao Paolo and Rio De Janeiro without a pitstop. It makes no sense. I have to discount the sighting of arrival in Salvador on the mornign of April 24. It only makes sense if the leading teams arrive there on April 23 and come direct from Sao Paulo airport without stopping in Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro, do some tasks until hitting an hours of operation constraint, and then finish with the repelling morning of April 24. Maybe some lagging teams have Amazing Race capacity constraints(i.e. artificial ones caused by limits set by World Race Production officials on teams for each rational flight) and don't arrive until the 24th.
The question of whether this is another South American TBC or pitstop in Bolivia or Santiago is still an open one. I am liking the "Santiago TBC" possibility more and more.
Post by: Chateau d If on June 23, 2008, 05:34:58 PM
We probably have to settle on one of the two extended pit stops (Fortaleza or La Paz). I don't know which way to go on that. There is a lot of spare time to play with.
Post by: georgiapeach on June 23, 2008, 08:10:11 PM
But I am still confused... :lol:!
I am thinking that apskip might be right about the sighting on the 24th because:
I reviewed the blog itself and you know what? The blog was posted on 4/26 but as far as I can tell we DO NOT actually have the date itself listed in the sighting! Unless we can can find out which day had fog delays? I think we assumed the 24th but maybe we aren't right...
From newman 44 at this forum :
My friends have been living in Brazil for the last few months and this is an excerpt from her blog posted on April 26th:
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For those of you who are unfamiliar with the reality TV show, The Amazing Race, it is a competition where people travel all over the world in a hectic rat race to come in first and win the big prize. I..m actually not all that familiar with the show myself but I..m pretty sure they were on my airplane.
This situation happened completely by chance. From Cordoba, we were to have a stop over in Porto Alegre another stop in Sao Paulo and then arrive in Salvador in the afternoon. Because of fog, the airport in Porto Alegre was closed, so we had to detour to Rio and from there, fly to Salvador, which was actually much more efficient and convenient.
At the airport in Rio, we noticed several film crews and people in teams of two, often wearing matching outfits. These two girls from Texas (according to their t-shirts anyway) were wearing matching black biker shorts, bright pink tank tops and a ton of make-up. I think the t-shirt was pretty accurate. Anyway, we noticed them being interviewed by the film crews, acting out dramatic situations and so-on. When it came time to board we talked to some of them and lent one of them our brazil book, although they didn..t give us many details about what they were doing. There was a delay in taking off and one team asked if they could move closer to the front. As soon as they did, all the other contestants tried to do the same. It was kind of annoying becuase I think it delayed our take-off even more. Anyway, at that point, we were pretty confident that if it wasn..t The Amazing Race, it was an amazing race of some sort.
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I am trying to confirm the dates but this might take awhile...
Assuming we were wrong about the 24th--would this work?? Building on Neobie's:
Day One - April 22 (confirmed - sightings in Los Angeles & Chicago)
Depart morning from Los Angeles, half connect through Chicago
Travel via Sao Paulo (for some?) (I also like the idea of looking for a departure time--something similar to the beach tasks we saw before in a previous season as Chateau suggested)
Day Two - April 23
Some Transit Rio en route to Salvador-- arr Salvadore >>Day 1 of Salvador tasks>> Hours of Ops??
Day Three - April 24
Salvador Elevator task>>Pitstop
Day Four - April 25 (confirmed - Nivaldo spoiler)
Depart Salvador in the morning for Fortaleza
Fortaleza Pit Stop in the afternoon
Day Five - April 26
Extended Pit Stop
Day Six - April 27
Depart early morning for La Paz, arriving at night
Day Seven - April 28 (confimed - sightings in La Paz)
Racing in La Paz>>Pitstop?
April 29 depart La Paz
But what happens on April 29, for teams to arrive at night in Santiago on the 30th, tired and dirty? Phil's in Santa Cruz, but does this mean anything? A leg that goes from La Paz to Santa Cruz ending in a TBC, or something else completely?
If leg 4 is Auckland...then we have no more legs in SA, right?
1=departure to Salvador
2=Salvador to Fortaleza
3=Fortaleza to La Paz
But as per my previous post upstream about this--I really think they need them safely in Santiago well before that flight to Auckland so as not to risk them messing up the remainder of the timeline.
Is there any way we can have them actually DO something in Santiago?? :lol:
Post by: puddin on June 23, 2008, 10:12:39 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on June 23, 2008, 10:22:18 PM
Post by: Neobie on June 23, 2008, 11:14:50 PM
I'm not sure how airports operate with regard to fog. Do they turn away flights for much longer after bad weather has lifted? (GOL 7469 departs Cordoba at 5.35am, FWIW.)
Fog timings per Weather Underground
22nd: Nil
23rd: 2.35am to 4.00am
24th: 3.23am to 8.18am
25th: Nil
26th: 5.08am to 9.00am
Post by: Chateau d If on June 23, 2008, 11:45:19 PM
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 24, 2008, 02:04:42 AM
I'm not sure how airports operate with regard to fog. Do they turn away flights for much longer after bad weather has lifted? (GOL 7469 departs Cordoba at 5.35am, FWIW.)
The usual practice I believe is that if the flight is already in the air when the landing airport is officially closed, then they are returned to the original airport, or redirected to an alternative airport (depends on length of flight, and amount of fuel on board among other things). If the landing airport is closed before the flight is due to take off, the plane often remains grounded until the landing airport reopens. In the case of this flight, if it was on the 23rd, the Porto Alegre airport would most likely have been reopened well before the departure of the flight, so I doubt it would have caused delays, where as on the 24th, as Chateau said it very definately would have caused delays, as the original flight may not have been cleared for departure until at least 8:30ish, around 3 hours late
Post by: apskip on June 24, 2008, 07:03:28 AM
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But what happens on April 29, for teams to arrive at night in Santiago on the 30th, tired and dirty? Phil's in Santa Cruz, but does this mean anything? A leg that goes from La Paz to Santa Cruz ending in a TBC, or something else completely?
If leg 4 is Auckland...then we have no more legs in SA, right?
1=departure to Salvador
2=Salvador to Fortaleza
3=Fortaleza to La Paz
But as per my previous post upstream about this--I really think they need them safely in Santiago well before that flight to Auckland so as not to risk them messing up the remainder of the timeline.
Is there any way we can have them actually DO something in Santiago??
Now, let's address these questions one by one:
1. As things stand now, it is likely there was a TBC somewhere in South America. It could have been Fortaleza, but more likely was in Santiago or Santa Cruz after a pitstop in LaPaz.
2. No more legs in South America? Possible but not likely.
3. Need for teams to be in Santiago in advance of the evening of April 30 - yes, absolutely.
4. Is there anything teams can do in Santiago? For startes they could visit a conference room in a building filled with actors so they could figure out which mine in a painting is the correct one based on one character clues they get from the actors posing as businessmen. No, wait, that's the plot of AR11, episode 2. What they can do in AR13 is:
a, Visit Plaza de Armas
b. Visit Cerro San Cristobal, the highest point in Santiago
c. Visit any of 2 major art museums or one nationla museum
d. Moneda Palace
e. Bellavista bohemian area
Post by: georgiapeach on June 24, 2008, 05:14:46 PM
I'm definitely happy if they are in Santiago for a leg but I'm still trying to make it work in my mind, much less the airports! :lol3:
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Now, let's address these questions one by one:
1. As things stand now, it is likely there was a TBC somewhere in South America. It could have been Fortaleza, but more likely was in Santiago or Santa Cruz after a pitstop in LaPaz.
2. No more legs in South America? Possible but not likely.
Why a TBC please? I thought we did away with those last season?
Why not likely? How can we make it all fit? The whiteboard shows Auckland as 13-04, right? Does that suggest Leg 4? If so, we only have 3 legs in SA....
Santa Cruz is just Phil passing thru, right?
But I can't shake the idea that there must be something in Santiago so I am :pull
Post by: apskip on June 24, 2008, 07:38:59 PM
I am not familiar with the 13-04 on a white board in Auckland, so I can't help you with the assumption that there were only 3 legs in South America.
I don't recall any announcements indicating that TBCs were dead, but I do recall one for AR12 that NELs were dead. That proved to be rubbish. Two legs have to be one of the other. I prefer TBCs, particularly in an enviroment where there is not enough time for a pitstop, which could be a fourth South America leg in Bolivia or in Santiago.
No, Santa Cruz is not just Phil passing through. It could well be a TBC leg. The flights from LaPaz to Santiago are very time-consuming and the route through Santa Cruz is more drect, more intelligent and faster as I recall(but remember that my recall isn't what it used to be).
Your desire to have a leg in Santiago is directly attributable to the fact that teams show up muddy, which would not happen during a REST DAY in Santiago on April 30.
Post by: puddin on June 24, 2008, 08:24:56 PM
AHA! Remember 1311?
Matt flies to Auckland next, which from here is 1304. So I guess there are three legs in South America.
(Fred and Brent go to cover 1303, which means Bolivia.)
Cambodia would be Leg 5, and Leg 6 India, or maybe Cambodia Part II. Wow!
Lots of red and yellow on that staircase on the 23rd of April. Task for our racers?
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15356.0;attach=75255;image)
Post by: apskip on June 24, 2008, 10:04:59 PM
Post by: apskip on June 25, 2008, 07:59:26 AM
AHA! Remember 1311?
Matt flies to Auckland next, which from here is 1304. So I guess there are three legs in South America.
(Fred and Brent go to cover 1303, which means Bolivia.)
Cambodia would be Leg 5, and Leg 6 India, or maybe Cambodia Part II. Wow!
Lots of red and yellow on that staircase on the 23rd of April. Task for our racers?
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15356.0;attach=75255;image)
Neobie, I have gone to masive effort to discover just where flight 3179 goes. I first narrowed it down to TAM as the airline. Next I had to figure out which was the departing city. It was not Fortzleza as I had expected. It was a morning flight from Salvador to Buesnos Aires:
JJ 3179 Salvador 07:45, Terça-feira SP(Guarulhos) 10:20, Terça-feira 0 Airbus A321
This must have been on April 25 or possibly the 26th. The choices in GRU are to go to Buenos Aires or to Santiago to catch the transSouth Pacific flight.
Post by: puddin on June 25, 2008, 10:15:33 AM
Bertram, Phil and Hayma Washington are on G3 1600 on the morning of the 23rd, leaving Rio at 10.30am and arriving Salvador at 12.30pm? (We were talking about this back on Page 15.) The two-letter airline code doesn't match, but AA, AH, HA and HH yield flights in Detroit, Algeria, Iceland and Germany respectively.
The race stared on the 22nd. Phil does not even have time to set foot in Sao Paulo, let alone eliminate a team there. Salvador belongs in Leg One!
At the top left corner, Matt leaves Salvador on the 25th on JJ 3179 to Sao Paulo to get to Auckland on the 27th, through Santiago or Buenos Aires. JJ 3895 and LA 5229 for Fred Meyer and Brent Benedetti also get to Sao Paulo, and I have no idea why they need to take separate flights.
Post by: georgiapeach on June 28, 2008, 06:48:53 PM
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I reviewed the blog itself and you know what? The blog was posted on 4/26 but as far as I can tell we DO NOT actually have the date itself listed in the sighting! Unless we can can find out which day had fog delays? I think we assumed the 24th but maybe we aren't right...
From newman 44 at this forum :
My friends have been living in Brazil for the last few months and this is an excerpt from her blog posted on April 26th:
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For those of you who are unfamiliar with the reality TV show, The Amazing Race, it is a competition where people travel all over the world in a hectic rat race to come in first and win the big prize. I..m actually not all that familiar with the show myself but I..m pretty sure they were on my airplane.
This situation happened completely by chance. From Cordoba, we were to have a stop over in Porto Alegre another stop in Sao Paulo and then arrive in Salvador in the afternoon. Because of fog, the airport in Porto Alegre was closed, so we had to detour to Rio and from there, fly to Salvador, which was actually much more efficient and convenient.
At the airport in Rio, we noticed several film crews and people in teams of two, often wearing matching outfits. These two girls from Texas (according to their t-shirts anyway) were wearing matching black biker shorts, bright pink tank tops and a ton of make-up. I think the t-shirt was pretty accurate. Anyway, we noticed them being interviewed by the film crews, acting out dramatic situations and so-on. When it came time to board we talked to some of them and lent one of them our brazil book, although they didn..t give us many details about what they were doing. There was a delay in taking off and one team asked if they could move closer to the front. As soon as they did, all the other contestants tried to do the same. It was kind of annoying becuase I think it delayed our take-off even more. Anyway, at that point, we were pretty confident that if it wasn..t The Amazing Race, it was an amazing race of some sort.
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I am trying to confirm the dates but this might take awhile...------------------------------------------------------------
Assuming we were wrong about the 24th--would this work?? Building on Neobie's:
Day One - April 22 (confirmed - sightings in Los Angeles & Chicago)
Depart morning from Los Angeles, half connect through Chicago
Travel via Sao Paulo (for some?) (I also like the idea of looking for a departure time--something similar to the beach tasks we saw before in a previous season as Chateau suggested)
Day Two - April 23
Some Transit Rio en route to Salvador-- arr Salvadore >>Day 1 of Salvador tasks>> Hours of Ops??
Day Three - April 24
Salvador Elevator task>>Pitstop
Day Four - April 25 (confirmed - Nivaldo spoiler)
Depart Salvador in the morning for Fortaleza
Fortaleza Pit Stop in the afternoon
Day Five - April 26
Extended Pit Stop
Day Six - April 27
Depart early morning for La Paz, arriving at night
Day Seven - April 28 (confimed - sightings in La Paz)
Racing in La Paz>>Pitstop?
April 29 depart La Paz
:jumpy: :hearts: :jumpy:
Newman44 kindly recontacted his friend for us and here is her reply:
"We saw them at the airport in Rio on April 23. I'm not sure of the time but it was probably at around noon. We got to Salvador at around 4pm. They were on that flight. Unfortunatly, I don't have anymore info but I hope that helps."
So we can safely assume now (I think) that all teams arr Salvador on 4/23 lateish afternoon?
So maybe there are some Hours of Op to slow them down?
Anyway, one puzzle solved! :thankyou: :yourock: newman! :hugs:
Post by: Neobie on June 28, 2008, 07:35:43 PM
It now looks like a TAR4 style start - rush somewhere in the city to pick up staggered tickets, then off across the country you go!
(GOL 1830 from 2.35pm to 4.30pm seems to be the only flight within that time frame.)
Post by: Chateau d If on June 29, 2008, 03:20:24 PM
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Newman44 kindly recontacted his friend for us and here is her reply:
"We saw them at the airport in Rio on April 23. I'm not sure of the time but it was probably at around noon. We got to Salvador at around 4pm. They were on that flight. Unfortunatly, I don't have anymore info but I hope that helps."
So we can safely assume now (I think) that all teams arr Salvador on 4/23 lateish afternoon?
So our Cordoba-sourced tourist diverted from Porto Alegre and would have arrived at the Rio airport at about 9:12 am. It sounds like they must have missed their chance to get on Gol Transportes Aereos flight # 1600 which left Rio on at 10:30 am. If so, then they had to wait for a flight that arrived in Salvador around 4 pm. That would have been Gol Transportes Aereos flight # 1830 which left Rio on at 2:35 pm and arrived at Salvador at 4:30 pm. They report seeing the Teams around noon at the Rio airport.
This could not have happened on the 23rd because our teams (Pinks in particular) had just arrived at Sao Paulo's airport at 10:05 am. They were still coming from Chicago on United flight 843. How could they get from Sao Paulo to Rio by noon?
The earliest they could arrive would be by using LanExpress # 750 leaving Sao Paulo at 12:40 pm and arriving at Rio at 1:45 pm. So I don't think our teams were seen on April 23rd at Rio.
The fog (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/SBPA/2008/4/24/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA) also supports that it was April 24th. :jam:
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Hmm, the 23rd? Apskip scores again!
cold day in Hell
Post by: apskip on June 29, 2008, 03:50:55 PM
Train # Departs Dep. date Dep. time Arrives Arr. date Arr. time Travel time Route Class
038 (Afanasy Nikitin) Moscow Leningradsky 6/07/2008 00:23 St. Petersburg Moskovsky 6/07/2008 08:48 8h 25min
030A Moscow Leningradsky 6/07/2008 01:05 St. Petersburg Moskovsky 6/07/2008 10:00 8h 55min
024 (Yunost) Moscow Leningradsky 6/07/2008 12:30 St. Petersburg Moskovsky 6/07/2008 20:10 7h 40min
160 (Aurora Express) Moscow Leningradsky 6/07/2008 16:30 St. Petersburg Moskovsky 6/07/2008 21:45 5h 15min
056 Moscow Leningradsky 6/07/2008 20:10 St. Petersburg Moskovsky 7/07/2008 04:55 8h 45min
028 (North Palmira) Moscow Leningradsky 6/07/2008 21:30 St. Petersburg Moskovsky 7/07/2008 05:30 8h 0min
052 Moscow Leningradsky 6/07/2008 22:11 St. Petersburg Moskovsky 7/07/2008 05:25 7h 14min
026 (Smena) Moscow Leningradsky 6/07/2008 23:00 St. Petersburg Moskovsky 7/07/2008 06:40 7h 40min
006 (Nikolaevsky Express) Moscow Leningradsky 6/07/2008 23:30 St. Petersburg Moskovsky 7/07/2008 07:00 7h 30min
002 (Red Arrow) Moscow Leningradsky 6/07/2008 23:55 St. Petersburg Moskovsky 7/07/2008 07:55 8h 0min
004 (Express) Moscow Leningradsky 6/07/2008 23:59 St. Petersburg Moskovsky 7/07/2008 08:00 8h 1min
However, assuming that teams went to the Moscow pitstop the afternoon of May 11, the 12 hour pitstop would take the clock to the early morning hours of May 12, the next train departs at 1230 and arrives May 12 at 2010.
This does not indicate that taking the train between Moscow and St. Petersburg would have been a good idea. Flying makes much more sense. There are 108 daily flights listed(I'm sure some of those are code-share duplicates) from Moscow to St. Petersburg that takes 100 minutes. That's the way I would have designed it. AR13 teams could arrive early in the morning and have all day for tasks to complete before 6pm before having a 36 hour pitstop.
Post by: Neobie on June 30, 2008, 04:25:38 PM
Legs 1-6 and Legs 10-11 down, just three more to go!
Post by: puddin on June 30, 2008, 05:38:39 PM
btw, you rock Neobie!
Post by: georgiapeach on June 30, 2008, 05:56:27 PM
QuoteNewman44 kindly recontacted his friend for us and here is her reply:
"We saw them at the airport in Rio on April 23. I'm not sure of the time but it was probably at around noon. We got to Salvador at around 4pm. They were on that flight. Unfortunatly, I don't have anymore info but I hope that helps."
So we can safely assume now (I think) that all teams arr Salvador on 4/23 lateish afternoon?
So our Cordoba-sourced tourist diverted from Porto Alegre and would have arrived at the Rio airport at about 9:12 am. It sounds like they must have missed their chance to get on Gol Transportes Aereos flight # 1600 which left Rio on at 10:30 am. If so, then they had to wait for a flight that arrived in Salvador around 4 pm. That would have been Gol Transportes Aereos flight # 1830 which left Rio on at 2:35 pm and arrived at Salvador at 4:30 pm. They report seeing the Teams around noon at the Rio airport.
This could not have happened on the 23rd because our teams (Pinks in particular) had just arrived at Sao Paulo's airport at 10:05 am. They were still coming from Chicago on United flight 843. How could they get from Sao Paulo to Rio by noon?
The earliest they could arrive would be by using LanExpress # 750 leaving Sao Paulo at 12:40 pm and arriving at Rio at 1:45 pm. So I don't think our teams were seen on April 23rd at Rio.
The fog (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/SBPA/2008/4/24/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA) also supports that it was April 24th. :jam:
I undertand that it is a tight connection...but why not again?
If they arrive SP at 1005 that gives them time to catch the flight to Rio--then the tight bit is getting the Rio flight to Salvador at 235, right? The noonish time is a little loose..so I'm thinking it could still work?? What am I missing? ???
I just never like to discount an eyewitness account from a reliable witness... :( When I asked abut the date I really emphasized how important the date and time were so I am sure they did their best to give us accurate info....
Post by: Neobie on June 30, 2008, 08:46:17 PM
Post by: puddin on June 30, 2008, 09:03:03 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on June 30, 2008, 09:05:16 PM
Maybe they had to connect via Sao Paulo to get a better connection? ??? :duno:
Post by: puddin on June 30, 2008, 09:31:07 PM
* The gal said there was one team that was 'hippie' like with long white hair (she demonstrated with her hands at mid chest level).
*They were an older couple, as in, male and female. She estimated their ages to be 40's or 50's. She also mentioned the two girls and another team that was just a regular young couple in their 20's.
*I just point blank asked "Where were they flying to?" And he said "Brazil. Sao Paulo, Brazil"
*He also confirmed the Hippie couple. They are old enough to be originals from the 60's.
*He said there were 5 teams going via UA and 6 teams via AA.
*So there you have it: 11 teams of two. Off to their first destination in Sao Paulo.
Post by: apskip on June 30, 2008, 10:50:57 PM
From GRU to Salvador (SSA), you have these flights:
JJ 3172 1310 1550
G3 1884 1350 1605
G3 1776 1545 1855
JJ 3894 1600 1825
G3 1816 1610 1825
From GIG to SSA, you have these flights:
JJ 3192 1233 1433
G3 1830 1435 1630
G31602 1610 1810
So, why would any AR13 team want to go through Rio de Janeiro unless there was some unusual situation that booked up all the GRU SSA flgihts?
Post by: Neobie on June 30, 2008, 11:28:51 PM
If we're doing the first-leg-pick-a-ticket-or-sign-up-for-timings-charter-debunching thing we usually do, TPTB might want to arrange for mandatory timings that arrive within narrow timings. The 4.30pm arrival the girls take through Rio would couple well with the 3.50pm and 4.05pm arrivals on the direct flights from Sao Paulo...
Apskip, would you be able to figure out how Phil got from LA to Rio to be able to catch his 10.30am flight to Salvador on the 23rd - the one we have on the whiteboard?
Post by: georgiapeach on June 30, 2008, 11:43:13 PM
Can you point me to where we saw Phil in Rio on the 23rd please??
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 30, 2008, 11:51:36 PM
Post by: puddin on July 01, 2008, 12:35:16 AM
...omgomg what?
Hey peach..........
Bertram, Phil and Hayma Washington are on G3 1600 on the morning of the 23rd, leaving Rio at 10.30am and arriving Salvador at 12.30pm? (We were talking about this back on Page 15.) The two-letter airline code doesn't match, but AA, AH, HA and HH yield flights in Detroit, Algeria, Iceland and Germany respectively.
The race stared on the 22nd. Phil does not even have time to set foot in Sao Paulo, let alone eliminate a team there. Salvador belongs in Leg One!
At the top left corner, Matt leaves Salvador on the 25th on JJ 3179 to Sao Paulo to get to Auckland on the 27th, through Santiago or Buenos Aires. JJ 3895 and LA 5229 for Fred Meyer and Brent Benedetti also get to Sao Paulo, and I have no idea why they need to take separate flights.
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15356.0;attach=75250;image)
Post by: Kiwi Jay on July 01, 2008, 12:51:02 AM
Post by: puddin on July 01, 2008, 12:54:56 AM
visa versa puddin... I was also wondering Survivor Gabons release date has been set to Sept.18, has TAR 13 been released as on Survivor Fever it said something like schedules released would that refer to TAR also....Start here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15354.msg303690.html#msg303690).
Post by: georgiapeach on July 01, 2008, 01:22:08 AM
But if Phil isn't in Sao Paulo at all, then at most that is just a quick stop to grab a clue place, right? Or perhaps still just transit? ???
Post by: Chateau d If on July 01, 2008, 01:31:14 AM
Take American Airlines # 1520 leaving LAX at 12:00 noon and arriving in Miami at 7:50 pm.
Then take American Airlines # 905 leaving Miami at 11:10 pm and arriving in Rio at 8:15 am.
Post by: Neobie on July 01, 2008, 07:38:18 AM
So I guess it's safe enough (using Phil's times as a gauge) for the flight to happen on the 23rd?
Apskip's right - the connection through Rio is at best the fourth quickest flight that reaches Salvador, and half the teams are diverted there? Looks a bit strange for contestants to find that themselves... Did production force them onto it through charter flights?
(Wait, weren't the teams spotted on the morning of the 24th at the elevator? Doesn't that kind of make the whole argument of 23rd versus 24th moot?)
A compiled version of everyone's posts for easy reference; the flights we're looking at - if the 23rd holds true - are:
Contestants' flight from Los Angeles to Sao Paulo
UA 843 from Los Angeles to Chicago, 2.05pm to 8.05pm
UA 843 from Chicago to Salvador, 9.32pm to 10.05am
Contestants' Rio flight from Sao Paulo to Salvador
LA 750 from Sao Paulo to Rio de Janeiro, 12.40pm to 1.45pm
G3 1830 from Rio de Janeiro to Salvador, 2.35pm to 4.30pm
Contestants' flights from Sao Paulo to Salvador
leaving later than our Rio connection and arriving earlier
G3 1978, 12.50pm to 3.05pm
JJ 3172 / AF 6341 / LA 5962 / UA 9835, 1.30pm to 3.50pm
G3 1884, 1.50pm to 4.05pm
Phil's flights from Los Angeles to Salvador
AA 1520 from Los Angeles to Miami, 12.00pm to 7.50pm
AA 905 from Miami to Rio de Janeiro, 11.10pm to 8.15am
G3 1600 from Rio de Janeiro to Salvador, 10.30am to 12.30pm
Post by: apskip on July 01, 2008, 08:56:38 AM
1. Rio is northeast of Sao Paulo and so Salvador is northeast of Rio.
2. It makes sense for Phil to take a shorter route through Rio. It has much longer connect times and makes it less likely he will miss a connection or be delayed.
3. I haven't seen anything to nail down any AR13 teams going through Rio. It makes little sense when there are ample nonstop flights from Sao Paulo to Salvador. It is easy for observers to confuse the entourage Phil travels with with the racers themselves.
Post by: puddin on July 01, 2008, 10:11:19 AM
Let me note a few things::duno: Still unsure if were looking at 2 sets of girl/girl team but thats for another topic.
1. Rio is northeast of Sao Paulo and so Salvador is northeast of Rio.
2. It makes sense for Phil to take a shorter route through Rio. It has much longer connect times and makes it less likely he will miss a connection or be delayed.
3. I haven't seen anything to nail down any AR13 teams going through Rio. It makes little sense when there are ample nonstop flights from Sao Paulo to Salvador. It is easy for observers to confuse the entourage Phil travels with with the racers themselves.
Anyway......
LAX~two blondes wearing hot pink sweatsuits
ORD~Blondes in Pink
Bangkok, Thailand~2 girls, both from Texas, one blond, one brunette
From newman 44 at this forum (http://tinyurl.com/4wwpbw) :
My friends have been living in Brazil for the last few months and this is an excerpt from her blog posted on April 26th:
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For those of you who are unfamiliar with the reality TV show, The Amazing Race, it is a competition where people travel all over the world in a hectic rat race to come in first and win the big prize. I..m actually not all that familiar with the show myself but I..m pretty sure they were on my airplane.
This situation happened completely by chance. From Cordoba, we were to have a stop over in Porto Alegre another stop in Sao Paulo and then arrive in Salvador in the afternoon. Because of fog, the airport in Porto Alegre was closed, so we had to detour to Rio and from there, fly to Salvador, which was actually much more efficient and convenient.
At the airport in Rio, we noticed several film crews and people in teams of two, often wearing matching outfits. These two girls from Texas (according to their t-shirts anyway) were wearing matching black biker shorts, bright pink tank tops and a ton of make-up. I think the t-shirt was pretty accurate. Anyway, we noticed them being interviewed by the film crews, acting out dramatic situations and so-on. When it came time to board we talked to some of them and lent one of them our brazil book, although they didn..t give us many details about what they were doing. There was a delay in taking off and one team asked if they could move closer to the front. As soon as they did, all the other contestants tried to do the same. It was kind of annoying becuase I think it delayed our take-off even more. Anyway, at that point, we were pretty confident that if it wasn..t The Amazing Race, it was an amazing race of some sort.
Post by: Chateau d If on July 01, 2008, 11:24:22 AM
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I haven't seen anything to nail down any AR13 teams going through Rio.
This where we say "Read the thread".
On Phil's flight G3 1600 Rio to Salvador, we don't really know that it is on April 23rd. I looked at the whiteboard shot and the date is rubbed out or missing. Just a little bit of a "4" shows up for April. As in: nn/4 Where we can't see any "nn".
Many production folk listed out on the right side of the board are on this flight. Why can't it be 24/4 ? BVM etc are on the left side of the board and the date is clear: 23/4.
I'm still believing that Teams have to fetch something in Sao Paulo. When they went through LAX would they be asking for tickets to Sao Paulo but really knowing that they were going to Salvador and just not feeling like telling the ticket agents that they want to get to Salvador? Why wouldn't they tell the agents what their destination was? Did they think that the agents could not book the flights for the final leg to Salvador? It seems hard to swallow. Maybe it's just me? :duno:
Post by: georgiapeach on July 01, 2008, 11:58:54 AM
I can't see how they will have time to do much more than grab a clue of some sort to bunch them all back up there... (remember that our Chicago flight is just one of at least 2 flights to Sao Paolo)
And we have an eyewitness account placing teams on a flight to Salvador on 4/23. Mistaken re the date? I can't say but I think we believe it till proven otherwise.
Post by: puddin on July 01, 2008, 12:20:39 PM
Many production folk listed out on the right side of the board are on this flight. Why can't it be 24/4 ? BVM etc are on the left side of the board and the date is clear: 23/4.
I always thought it was continued
(http://i28.[banned image hosting site].com/pm2yx.jpg)
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15483.0;attach=75512;image)
Post by: Chateau d If on July 01, 2008, 12:29:23 PM
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And we have an eyewitness account placing teams on a flight to Salvador on 4/23. Mistaken re the date? I can't say but I think we believe it till proven otherwise.
Yea, eye witness information is good evidence. But this is just one of those times when good evidence is in conflict with other evidence and all you can do is play it both ways until some cracks appear in the logic.
Wheels up! Off to Glendale:
Post by: georgiapeach on July 01, 2008, 12:37:50 PM
Post by: puddin on July 01, 2008, 12:38:43 PM
Post by: apskip on July 03, 2008, 08:53:39 AM
There is a major issue in figuring out where a previously not identified leg is. This arises because prior timelines have marked the legs up through leg 6 in Delhi. Since release from Delhi cannot be before May 7, there is not enough time left for teams to complete two full legs and fly to Moscow arriving midday May 12(which they have to do to meet the pitstop timing assumptions). So here are 3 alternatives to fix that:
1. Even though I say it is not enough time, WRP plans 3 legs between Delhi and Moscow.
2. There was a second leg in Cambodia involving a TBC, then later a pitstop.
3. There was a TBC leg in Santiago in spite of the piece of evidence that 1304 ends in Auckland.
Of these 3, I like the 2 legs in Cambodia best. Since teams apparently do not depart until the morning of May 6, they have about 48 hours to do so plus get in a TBC and later pitstop. I am have changed the Timeline to reflect that.
Post by: puddin on July 03, 2008, 10:29:19 AM
I think these a roughly correct..that whole camera date thingy and all :lol:, help me Neobie!
Salvador de Bahia from April 19 to 25
Auckland from April 28 to May 1 (2 ?)
Cambodia from May 4 to 5th
Delhi from May 6 to 9
Moscow from May 10 to 13th
Neobie quote:
I'm afraid I might have to cast extra doubt on Dubai...
The blog on Dubai, posted at 1.04am on May 8th, says "I didnt expect the news that i heard last night". If the timestamp belongs to Dubai or Philippines time, the sighting would have been on or before the 6th. Even if we use the generous US timezone, it would suggest the sighting was at least on the 7th.
Teams fly from Cambodia to India on the 6th (I'm reading this correctly, am I not?), arriving that evening in Delhi after most Hours of Operation. Is there any way we could make this work out?
Post by: Chateau d If on July 03, 2008, 12:28:02 PM
Have Fun! :waves:
Good for you Chateau :hearts:, ditto that, have a blast!! :waves:
Okay, I am on such a cloud now. :hearts: :hearts:
Please go see Brooke perform Feist's 1234 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae3ARdKPpro) And then go buy your tix to see the Tour when it hits your town.
Post by: puddin on July 31, 2008, 06:36:05 PM
South America
Oceania
Asia
Eurasia/Europe
With the season 13 debut of CBS’ The Amazing Race looming just around the corner (okay, Sept. 28), exec producer Bertram Van Munster slipped us a few clues about the upcoming globetrot.
• The race takes 23 days, covers nearly 40,000 miles, spans five continents, and features some far-flung locales never before seen on the show, including Angkor Wat, Cambodia and La Paz, Bolivia.
Post by: gingerman28 on July 31, 2008, 09:11:02 PM
Why do I not know this? we don't include North America or do we?
South America
Oceania
Asia
Eurasia/Europe
With the season 13 debut of CBS’ The Amazing Race looming just around the corner (okay, Sept. 28), exec producer Bertram Van Munster slipped us a few clues about the upcoming globetrot.
• The race takes 23 days, covers nearly 40,000 miles, spans five continents, and features some far-flung locales never before seen on the show, including Angkor Wat, Cambodia and La Paz, Bolivia.
Five Continents? The teams did not go through Australia nor Antarctica. That leaves North America, South America, Asia and Europe. Then the fifth CONTINENT would have to be Africa. Oceania is not a continent, it is a grouping of Pacific islands that are not part of any continent. So did the teams go from Dubai to Africa during those missing days between Delhi and Moscow?
Post by: Mrs Shrek on July 31, 2008, 10:18:01 PM
Post by: puddin on July 31, 2008, 10:51:04 PM
I had Oceania as NZ Mrs Shrek , lol
anyway
TAR12~
The race covered four continents, visiting ten countries, five of which were previously unvisited. The newly visited countries included Ireland, Burkina Faso, Lithuania, Croatia and Taiwan. Also, for the first time, the finish line was not in the contiguous United States.
Post by: Kiwi Jay on July 31, 2008, 10:52:07 PM
Africa could be true, I always wished they could sneek into Egypt and when I saw Egypt on Wikipedia, I was pleased until it got taken off that is!!
Could africa be plausable :duno:
Post by: Mrs Shrek on August 01, 2008, 12:37:42 AM
I had Oceania as NZ Mrs Shrek , lol
Sorry puddin, I should have used the quote function before, I was replying to gingerman's post.
Five Continents? The teams did not go through Australia nor Antarctica. That leaves North America, South America, Asia and Europe. Then the fifth CONTINENT would have to be Africa. Oceania is not a continent, it is a grouping of Pacific islands that are not part of any continent. So did the teams go from Dubai to Africa during those missing days between Delhi and Moscow?
Post by: puddin on August 01, 2008, 01:03:57 AM
Europe
Africa
Asia
North America
6 Race summary
6.1 Leg 1 (United States → Ireland)
6.2 Leg 2 (Ireland → Netherlands)
6.3 Leg 3 (Netherlands → Burkina Faso)
6.4 Leg 4 (Burkina Faso)
6.5 Leg 5 (Burkina Faso → Lithuania)
6.6 Leg 6 (Lithuania → Croatia)
6.7 Leg 7 (Croatia → Italy)
6.8 Leg 8 (Italy → India)
6.9 Leg 9 (India → Japan)
6.10 Leg 10 (Japan → Taiwan)
6.11 Leg 11 (Taiwan → United States)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_12
Post by: georgiapeach on August 01, 2008, 01:27:25 AM
BVM is not exactly known for his geography! :lol:
I'll bet NZ is his 5th continent!
Post by: puddin on August 01, 2008, 01:39:53 AM
Guys, remember what apskip would say if he was here...I've been meaning to start a thread, things BVM has lied about or was wrong about, lmao
BVM is not exactly known for his geography! :lol:
I'll bet NZ is his 5th continent!
Post by: TARAsia Fan on August 01, 2008, 09:23:18 AM
Lies - Thompson Twins :funny: :funny: :funny:
Post by: georgiapeach on August 01, 2008, 11:16:44 AM
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experts now consider the long-established continent of Australia to be better defined as Australia/Oceania, which then combines and includes all of (Australia), the large island groups of New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Fiji, Solomons, and the countless volcanic and coral islands of the south Pacific Ocean, including those of Micronesia, Melanesia and Polynesia. In short, OCEANIA is now one of the most diverse and fascinating areas on the planet.
From wiki:
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New Zealand does not lie in a continental group. Rather New Zealand consists of two main islands (and a number of smaller ones) which are located in the South Pacific Region.
Politically, New Zealand is part of Oceania.
Mrs Shrek's Australiasia works for me!!
But 23 days :yes:
5 continents :yes:
40,000 miles (come on, nobody trusts BVM on this, right?? :lol:)
La Paz!! Our bicycles!! :yes:
Angkor Wat!! :yes:
Moscow!! :yes:
Congrats to all the TAR Detectives!! :party: What a TEAM!!
Post by: sunnyca on August 01, 2008, 11:33:38 AM
Post by: georgiapeach on August 01, 2008, 11:49:45 AM
Post by: puddin on August 01, 2008, 12:26:15 PM
Quote
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Ireland is one of five new countries The Amazing Race 12 filmed in, along with Croatia, Lithuania and two African countries with names that van Munster said most people can't pronounce.
"It's very exciting to go to new locations because we have gone to places where people have never seen a television camera or have never seen television," he explained. "But these are the people we also have to work with. So from a producer's perspective, it's more than exciting."
Post by: Neobie on August 18, 2008, 08:12:52 AM
Does the gap between the 7th and the 13th (Delhi and Moscow) warrant three legs, or just two? Because timeline-wise Cambodia would be the most probable place to host two legs. (Otherwise it'd be an extended Pit Stop.)
Post by: patlini on August 18, 2008, 10:33:14 AM
flight links for dubai/dehli to almata
http://www.almata.kz/services/railway/air/dubai.php
http://www.almata.kz/services/railway/air/delhi.php
Post by: apskip on August 18, 2008, 11:25:28 AM
TK1079 0445 0910 DEL IST connecting in Istanbul to TK1350 IST ALA 1940 0400+1
This is a 23 hour jaunt, but it does fly 6 times each week. I consider it more likely than if the route is nonstop from Delhi to Almaty.
The big question for the AR13 route right now was one of the places home to 2 legs of AR13 (Siem Reap being the most probable) or is there some other pitstop on the way to Almaty. I have no answer to that right now.
Post by: puddin on August 18, 2008, 11:41:06 AM
Like apskips, I'd take Dubai out of the mix and agree Cambodia probable 2 legs and will stick with Somewhere India as one of the other so called missing legs.
Post by: patlini on August 18, 2008, 01:01:20 PM
trains instead of boats
but from Dehli to the "stans" its over the himalayas and then through bandit country so highly unlikely
though it could be a way for them to get from Almaty to Moscow, probably a 2 day train journey
Post by: Hooky on August 18, 2008, 02:03:42 PM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on August 18, 2008, 02:08:36 PM
Post by: patlini on August 18, 2008, 02:16:01 PM
Post by: apskip on August 18, 2008, 08:57:46 PM
Post by: apskip on August 25, 2008, 07:14:46 AM
Another speculation is based on van Munster's statement that much Kazakhstan footage was shot in "the capital of Kazakhstan." Many people do not know that the capital of Kazahstan was moved from Almaty to Astana 11 years ago. That might include Bertram, who is traditionally suspect on much geography information or might just be using an old atlas(that happens to me on occasion).
Post by: 2old4tech on September 12, 2008, 01:06:39 PM
From an old news article http://www.turks.us/article.php?story=20050705095345754 (http://www.turks.us/article.php?story=20050705095345754) a floating city was to be built in Turkey. The "Freedom City/Freedom Ship" has been pretty well debunked as scam/pipedream, but maybe some building did get started. It's definitely "mysterious".
Is there still a gap in the Delhi/Dubai/Almaty region? Turkey is in the neighborhood.
Post by: puddin on September 12, 2008, 01:10:47 PM
Post by: puddin on September 23, 2008, 07:16:01 PM
abarry90
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My in laws saw filming in progress back in early may in Morocco. I am guessing Morocco may be one of the unknow locations?
Post by: georgiapeach on September 23, 2008, 08:34:39 PM
Post by: puddin on September 23, 2008, 09:19:31 PM
Post by: apskip on September 23, 2008, 10:38:01 PM
Would they go to Morocco (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=3160509&view=findpost&p=10831523) again? Early May would fit ...after India I suppose.The basic answer is that it is theoretically possible for the 8th or 9th leg to be in Morocco, but I find that pretty unlikely. You would have to travel from Delhi to Casablanca or Marrakesh or Rabat or Tangier. That would be 4878 miles to Casablanca and slightly less to the others. Next, you would have to travel back to Kazazhstan, which is 5720 miles from Casablanca to Astana or slightly less from other Moroccan cities and slightly more to go to Almaty. That's 10600 miles (the distance from New York to Cairns Australia). This would not have been the way WRP did it. If the race went to Kazakhstan first, you still have about the same mileage to reach Moscow via Morocco.
abarry90QuoteMy in laws saw filming in progress back in early may in Morocco. I am guessing Morocco may be one of the unknow locations?
Post by: puddin on September 26, 2008, 01:23:28 PM
3 legs in South America
1 leg NZ
1 leg Cambodia
2 legs India
1 leg Kazakhstan
2 in Russia
1 Portland Oregon
Post by: puddin on September 26, 2008, 01:27:36 PM
1. Salvador, Brazil
2. Fortaleza, Brazil
3. La Paz, Bolivia
4. Te Puke, New Zealand
5. Siem Reap, Cambodia
6. New Delhi, India
7. Old Delhi, India
8. Almaty, Kazakhstan
9. Moscow, Russia
10. Moscow, Russia
11. Portland, Oregon
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/26Sep0001.jpg)
Post by: puddin on September 26, 2008, 01:28:52 PM
Why am I not shocked @ Almaty, lol poor BVM gets it wrong again!
Post by: apskip on September 26, 2008, 03:03:10 PM
I was actually right about India and Moscow, 2 legs per Matts photos :)
Why am I not shocked @ Almaty, lol poor BVM gets it wrong again!
puddin, while I am glad that you are actually right about India and Moscow, 2 legs, I am very curious on the basis for such judgments. I haven't seen that logic on RFF yet.
Post by: puddin on September 26, 2008, 03:37:30 PM
Oh now I have to dig, lol but its around here somewhere.I was actually right about India and Moscow, 2 legs per Matts photos :)
Why am I not shocked @ Almaty, lol poor BVM gets it wrong again!
puddin, while I am glad that you are acutally right about India and Moscow, 2 legs, I am very curious on the basis for such judgments. I haven't seen that logic on RFF yet.
Post by: gingerman28 on September 26, 2008, 04:02:58 PM
There you have it ...
1. Salvador, Brazil
2. Fortaleza, Brazil
3. La Paz, Bolivia
4. Te Puke, New Zealand
5. Siem Reap, Cambodia
6. New Delhi, India
7. Old Delhi, India
8. Almaty, Kazakhstan
9. Moscow, Russia
10. Moscow, Russia
11. Portland, Oregon
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/26Sep0001.jpg)
Shouldn't that map show the teams going down to Santiago, Chile (didn't we have a sighting at the Santiago Airport?)and then across the Pacific to New Zealand. The map has the teams going back across the Atlantic, Africa and the Indian Ocean to reach New Zealand.
Post by: puddin on September 26, 2008, 04:07:17 PM
Delhi photos May 6th to the 9th, Moscow photos May 10-13th.
But the production/Delhi photos begin on May 6th and end on May 9th then pick up again on May 10th in Moscow. Did Matt/production hang around in Delhi extra days or was Delhi longer than we originally thought and Dubai not even in the picture? The evidence for Dubai/airport was not solid if I recall.So you want to talk about the pictures in this thread so moving on....for New Delhi I found this:
Radhey Shiam Balkishan & Sons
Since its production maybe the "grains" is a task? These are dated May 7 but we decided that its May 8th? I'm confused on the dates.
puddin, if you wish to be less confused on timing, consult the latest Timetable in the Timetables and Flight Information thread. We had the spotting of teams in Dubai airport on the morning of May 8 as indicated by JonLover(post 150 in this Spoilers thread). That could only happen if they left Delhi on May 7.
I'm afraid I might have to cast extra doubt on Dubai...
The blog on Dubai, posted at 1.04am on May 8th, says "I didnt expect the news that i heard last night". If the timestamp belongs to Dubai or Philippines time, the sighting would have been on or before the 6th. Even if we use the generous US timezone, it would suggest the sighting was at least on the 7th.
Teams fly from Cambodia to India on the 6th (I'm reading this correctly, am I not?), arriving that evening in Delhi after most Hours of Operation. Is there any way we could make this work out?
Chateau? (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.504.html) Post 504? :lol:
I never took Dubai as gospel Neobie :sucks , I think they spend more time in Delhi/New Delhi per Matt's time that he spent in India. Now if only I could twist someones are to make me a little map of where Matt has been in New Delhi :snicker: :kuss:
Would it be possible to have a second leg in India? Either a leg in New Dehli (the contrast between Old and New would be a good way to have two legs in India without much work I don't think) or have teams take an uncomfortable train ride to somewhere else (just like in the old days),Oh I miss the trains zach. I don't know about trains but I'm leaning towards 2 legs in what I'll safely call India :lol:.
Post by: Chateau d If on September 26, 2008, 04:13:25 PM
Quote
Shouldn't that map show the teams going down to Santiago, Chile (didn't we have a sighting at the Santiago Airport?)and then across the Pacific to New Zealand. The map has the teams going back across the Atlantic, Africa and the Indian Ocean to reach New Zealand.
Santiago is just a connection. It does not get a pushpin. And about the flight over Pacific vs Atlantic, I bet it is drawn as Atlantic only for illustrative purposes (artistic license) .
Puddin, where did you find that map anyway?
Post by: puddin on September 26, 2008, 04:25:35 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on September 26, 2008, 04:41:17 PM
I think that they must have thought--if you can't beat 'em (meaning us), join 'em! :lol:
CBS releasing spoilers--is the world ending? :ascared
Post by: apskip on September 26, 2008, 04:54:50 PM
There you have it ...
1. Salvador, Brazil
2. Fortaleza, Brazil
3. La Paz, Bolivia
4. Te Puke, New Zealand
5. Siem Reap, Cambodia
6. New Delhi, India
7. Old Delhi, India
8. Almaty, Kazakhstan
9. Moscow, Russia
10. Moscow, Russia
11. Portland, Oregon
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/26Sep0001.jpg)
Shouldn't that map show the teams going down to Santiago, Chile (didn't we have a sighting at the Santiago Airport?)and then across the Pacific to New Zealand. The map has the teams going back across the Atlantic, Africa and the Indian Ocean to reach New Zealand.
I have multiple problems with this CBS map. Remember where this originated, World Race Productions, and consider the credibility of the source on these type of issues, that he has practically none. The drawing of a route across the Atlantic and Indian Oceans when we know and they know that it isn't so is exemplary. I also have a problem with the placement of LaPaz on the map of South America. It gives the impression that LaPaz is rright on the Pacific Ocean, but Bolivia is a land-locked country and LaPaz appears to my crude measurement system to be about 180 miles from the Pacific as the crow flies.
OK, so I now assume that puddin used this CBS map for the 2 legs India and 2 legs Moscow "proof". I have never before seen CBS in 12 prior seasons provide the total route in advance. Even though we had most of it, there were the two areas where there were missing legs and we knew Kazakhstan but were not sure that the place was Almaty (even though that made better sense than Astana and despite more misdirection attempts by you know who). I am sceptical that we have been given the missing legs now by CBS. I would like to see some supporting evidence for Old Delhi/NewDelhi in 2 legs and for 2 legs Moscow. What we have looks to me to support 1 leg and leave those 2nd leg questions entirely open.
I will despite my misgivings issue a new Timeline for AR13 that incorporates the legs as presented on the CBS map.
Post by: puddin on September 26, 2008, 05:04:49 PM
There you have it ...
1. Salvador, Brazil
2. Fortaleza, Brazil
3. La Paz, Bolivia
4. Te Puke, New Zealand
5. Siem Reap, Cambodia
6. New Delhi, India
7. Old Delhi, India
8. Almaty, Kazakhstan
9. Moscow, Russia
10. Moscow, Russia
11. Portland, Oregon
Shouldn't that map show the teams going down to Santiago, Chile (didn't we have a sighting at the Santiago Airport?)and then across the Pacific to New Zealand. The map has the teams going back across the Atlantic, Africa and the Indian Ocean to reach New Zealand.
I have multiple problems with this CBS map. Remember where this originated, World Race Productions, and consider the credibility of the source on these type of issues, that he has practically none. The drawing of a route across the Atlantic and Indian Oceans when we know and they know that it isn't so is exemplary. I also have a problem with the placement of LaPaz on the map of South America. It gives the impression that LaPaz is rright on the Pacific Ocean, but Bolivia is a land-locked country and LaPaz appears to my crude measurement system to be about 180 miles from the Pacific as the crow flies.
OK, so I now assume that puddin used this CBS map for the 2 legs India and 2 legs Moscow "proof". I have never before seen CBS in 12 prior seasons provide the total route in advance. Even though we had most of it, there were the two areas where there were missing legs and we knew Kazakhstan but were not sure that the place was Almaty (even though that made better sense than Astana and despite more misdirection attempts by you know who). I am sceptical that we have been given the missing legs now by CBS. I would like to see some supporting evidence for Old Delhi/NewDelhi in 2 legs and for 2 legs Moscow. What we have looks to me to support 1 leg and leave those 2nd leg questions entirely open.
I will despite my misgivings issue a new Timeline for AR13 that incorporates the legs as presented on the CBS map.
Using logic, again Matt's photo's, if you want the direct link to the photo's just message me Apskips.
INDIA, May 6th to the 9th
RUSSIA, May 10th to the 13th
Post by: georgiapeach on September 26, 2008, 05:17:13 PM
http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx/?news=332438
The Pitstop box on the map gives the stops/legs.
Post by: apskip on September 27, 2008, 08:27:50 AM
Using logic, again Matt's photo's, if you want the direct link to the photo's just message me Apskip(Note that there is no "s" at the end of "apskip", puddin).
Well, I recall making this comment previously(because it turns out puddin made here original claim for this on Aug. 19). The fact that Matt was in Delhi for 4 days and the fact that he was in Moscow for 4 days does not mean that AR13 stayed for the entirety fo those periods. There are multiple Matts running around for World Race Productions, so someone else could have picked up somewhere else. I consider it probable that puddin is right, but I will not conclude that there was no side trip to Nepal, for example, or 2 legs in Kazakhstan with the available evidence. Show me a racer in thr Delhi area and it Moscow for those 4 days at each place and then you have evidence that is beyond questioning.
Post by: georgiapeach on September 27, 2008, 09:29:29 AM
I'm not understanding this discussion.
We are talking fact now. The time for "wants" or "maybes" or "possibilities" is past.
FACT: CBS has released the route and announced all of the Pitstops.
FACT: The Pitstops are: (see the box in the lower left corner on the OFFICIAL CBS Route Map? The one that says PITSTOPS?)
1. Salvador, Brazil
2. Fortaleza, Brazil
3. La Paz, Bolivia
4. Te Puke, New Zealand
5. Siem Reap, Cambodia
6. New Delhi, India
7. Old Delhi, India
8. Almaty, Kazakhstan
9. Moscow, Russia
10. Moscow, Russia
11. Portland, Oregon
FACT: The route is no longer up for discussion, it is what it is.
Since when would CBS call a leg a Moscow leg and send teams to Nepal instead? After announcing Moscow in a major press release?
Time to accept the facts, IMO! :groan:
Post by: Boingo on September 27, 2008, 11:33:44 AM
Well IMHO, having two legs in the same city sorta suggest a TBC in both Moscow and Delhi/New Delhi. That would imply there are NO non-elimination legs (thank god). I'm cool with that. That also fits with Matts photos, as IMHO, there don't seem to be enough locations/tasks for two pitstops in Moscow and Delhi/New Delhi, so a TBC makes sense.
Having a TBC in the next-to-next last leg may turn out to be a great idea. I never liked non-elimination legs anyway. Don't recall BVM saying anything about non-elim legs in this season.
I wonder if Matt still has a job with WRP after all this.... :funny:
Post by: georgiapeach on September 27, 2008, 11:54:14 AM
Because if we take that map literally, it says PITSTOPS in Delhi x2 and Moscow x2.
But since it is CBS, I guess they could mean LEGS and not actual Pitstops?? :iok
I am mystified at CBS doing this unless they seriously decided since we had the route, they might as well concede, :lol:
Post by: Boingo on September 27, 2008, 12:02:27 PM
Can you have a TBC if you have a pitstop?
Because if we take that map literally, it says PITSTOPS in Delhi x2 and Moscow x2.
But since it is CBS, I guess they could mean LEGS and not actual Pitstops?? :iok
I am mystified at CBS doing this unless they seriously decided since we had the route, they might as well concede, :lol:
:groan: I know peach, the term "pitstop" is very controversial... so I deliberately avoided using it and just went with "legs".
BTW, has TAR ever had 2 pitstops in the same city ???
....cue the pitstop greeter..."Welcome to Moscow".... one week later, cue the greeter... "Welcome to Moscow, AGAIN!" :funny:
;)
Post by: georgiapeach on September 27, 2008, 12:38:21 PM
BTW, has TAR ever had 2 pitstops in the same city ???
....cue the pitstop greeter..."Welcome to Moscow".... one week later, cue the greeter... "Welcome to Moscow, AGAIN!" :funny:
;)
:funny: :funny: :funny: :funny:
Boingo makes me laugh... :jumpy:
Well, that's a good point though. Probably not? So CBS said Pitstops and they should have said Legs---I can buy that!
Good thing we know that our Moscow video has to be the last Pitstop/Leg by the dates...
Post by: puddin on September 27, 2008, 01:02:20 PM
I'll take India for 2 legs and all of Russia for a total of 3. I'll now pass on Cambodia as 2 pit stops, rather on day 2 in Cambodia teams search for a clue that takes them to obscure India, how else would they know that the place in India was obscure? They must have had a "clue".
Wasn't it an obscure location in Delhi? I thought it was probably the grain place.... ???
From Jason:QuoteGirls: Um, can you do us a favor? So you're going to India?
Me: No, actually Nepal.
Girls: Oh. Is that near India?
Girls: Well, we need to find something in India and thought you might be able to help since you were going near there.
Me: Okkkkkkkkk. But I'm actually going to Nepal.
Girls: Well, we're looking for something really obscure in Delhi.
The point being is that they normally get a clue, fly to Delhi, India then get a clue in say Delhi to tell them what the first task is not ""go to some place obscure India, get it?
Remember they were on flight from Bangkok to Delhi when they talked to Jason, not in Delhi.
So I'm thinking the last task in Cambodia was seaching for the faces (brb)QuoteWe didn't manage to take a picture of it but i think we ran into a couple doing the Amazing Race here. We'll have to check out the next season but the couple was being followed by a camera man and they had to find a specific face in the ruins.
http://paulmarkthirnan.blogspot.com/2008/05/angkor-wat-cambodia.html
Blog (http://myweirdmindwonders.blogspot.com/2008/05/just-to-catch-up.html)
Tuesday, May 6, 2008
Just to catch up....
So I just got back into Thailand from Cambodia.... which is why i haven't posted in a while. Ends up that Cambodia is not a telecommunications mecca. Anyways, everything has kinda been a whirlwind. Covered 3 countries in 2 weeks and it kinda feels like we are on "The Amazing Race".... and i mean literally. Yesterday we were in Angkor Wat (more of that story later... it is AMAZING... you should look up pictures... seriously a Wonder of the Ancient world--- i thought better than the stuff i saw in Rome) The Amazing Race was filming at Angkor the same day we were there. AND THEN... we end up at the airport to fly to Bangkok from Cambodia... and who was on our airplane.... thats right.... 3 teams competing on the next season of the Amazing Race. We are sitting there and then all the sudden all these camera and sound guys are filming everything. And the producer guy was sitting in the seat right behind me and vida. CRAZY!! So now we consider ourselves official unofficial cast members. And before all this started I was telling vida that i thought it felt like we were on the amazing race.
Post by: Boingo on September 27, 2008, 01:04:05 PM
Post by: apskip on September 27, 2008, 01:47:59 PM
:pull
I'm not understanding this discussion.
We are talking fact now. The time for "wants" or "maybes" or "possibilities" is past.
FACT: CBS has released the route and announced all of the Pitstops.
FACT: The Pitstops are: (see the box in the lower left corner on the OFFICIAL CBS Route Map? The one that says PITSTOPS?)
1. Salvador, Brazil
2. Fortaleza, Brazil
3. La Paz, Bolivia
4. Te Puke, New Zealand
5. Siem Reap, Cambodia
6. New Delhi, India
7. Old Delhi, India
8. Almaty, Kazakhstan
9. Moscow, Russia
10. Moscow, Russia
11. Portland, Oregon
FACT: The route is no longer up for discussion, it is what it is.
Since when would CBS call a leg a Moscow leg and send teams to Nepal instead? After announcing Moscow in a major press release?
Time to accept the facts, IMO! :groan:
If the individuals in charge knew what the "facts" were, I might be able accept this. BVM and Jonathan Littman have made many misstatements in his public pronoucements. Where do you think CBS is getting the information for their map from? Is it a reliable source who is free from error? The answer is clearly the negative.
Post by: puddin on September 27, 2008, 01:55:54 PM
:res: not to beat a point to death.... IIRC, didn't BVM say that they have a scavenger hunt scheduled for the racers in Moscow. I can see the post-production folks stretching that concept into an extended leg. As far as Delhi/New Delhi goes, they have done a TBC before in a previous TAR season in India. :angel: We shall see. :sucksI would think that they want to keep the "speedbump" going and we can't have one of those without a non-elim-penalty.
Post by: georgiapeach on September 27, 2008, 02:11:13 PM
Why do we need a NEL with a speedbump please?? ???
Sorry, I must be caffeine deficient today! :lol3: Or maybe too much sun? :funny:
Post by: gingerman28 on September 27, 2008, 02:51:15 PM
So when can we start on TAR14?
Oh, yes, I guess we should still watch TAR13 on Sunday just for the heck of it (and keep the ratings up so that we do get a renewal.
Post by: puddin on September 27, 2008, 02:54:41 PM
Yes, Moscow is supposed to be a scavenger hunt--I can't think of any other good reason to go to Chateau's rather obscure museum (nice as it is!)...
Why do we need a NEL with a speedbump please?? ???
Sorry, I must be caffeine deficient today! :lol3: Or maybe too much sun? :funny:
Instead of going home or being "marked for elimination" -- a non-elimination leg penalty used during the show's last two seasons -- Kynt and Vyxsin will now face a special upcoming Speed Bump task.
"Sometime during the next leg of the race, you're going to encounter a new twist in the race, and it's called a Speed Bump," explained host Phil Keoghan to Kynt and Vyxsin. "A Speed Bump is a task that only you have to complete -- all the other teams keep racing. You won't know when it's coming, and as a result of doing the Speed Bump you may find yourselves behind, which means you may have to do a lot of work to catch up if you want to stay in the race."
Post by: puddin on September 27, 2008, 02:55:42 PM
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Post by: puddin on September 27, 2008, 03:26:02 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on September 27, 2008, 04:36:12 PM
Tonle Sap Lake, near Siem Reap.
Post by: patlini on September 27, 2008, 07:12:34 PM
New Delhi/Old Delhi semantics
Post by: puddin on September 27, 2008, 08:11:49 PM
Post by: georgiapeach on September 27, 2008, 09:06:18 PM
For me, the locations are the best part but will be interested to see the feedback they get on this. I think it is the sudden turnaround in what they have always done that has taken a lot of people by surprise.
Post by: puddin on September 28, 2008, 02:14:31 AM
Marketing
CBS heavily promoted the new season, including placing advertising on the top of three hangar buildings at Los Angeles International Airport prior to the premiere.[13] Unlike other seasons, CBS has provided a location map to viewers of where the Race will be traveling prior to the start of the season.[14] This could also be due to the fact that spoiler sites like RealityFanForum and their The Amazing Race Detectives or "TAR Detectives" had spoiled most of the 13th season of The Amazing Race before any cast names had been released, thus, releasing the location map somewhat diminished those spoilers.
source wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_13)
Post by: Chateau d If on September 28, 2008, 02:18:25 AM
Go in and add the bit about Portland: :neener: that'll really get the self-appointed bosses mad.
Post by: puddin on September 28, 2008, 02:32:05 AM
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Post by: puddin on September 28, 2008, 02:44:17 AM
Post by: Kiwi Jay on September 28, 2008, 03:45:47 AM
Post by: gingerman28 on September 28, 2008, 11:27:12 AM
So is CeeBeeEss blaming the TAR detectives for spoiling the entire TAR13 series? Tough :neener:
Post by: puddin on October 01, 2008, 07:36:36 PM
Prizes Sweepstakes Entry Periods Starts at 3:00:00 AM ET on: Sweepstakes Entry Periods Ends at 2:59:59 AM ET on: Drawing Dates:
SWEEPSTAKES ONE:
-One (1)Trip to Belize and One (1) Secondary Prize 9/28/08 (EP)
SWEEPSTAKES TWO:
One (1)Trip to Cabo San Lucas and One (1) Secondary Prize 10/12/08 (EP3)
SWEEPSTAKES THREE:
One (1) Trip to US Virgin Islands of St. John and One (1) Secondary Prize 10/26/08 (EP5)
SWEEPSTAKES FOUR:
One (1) Trip to - Kauai and One (1) Secondary Prize 11/9/08 (EP7)
SWEEPSTAKES FIVE:
One (1)Trip to Punta Cana and One (1) Secondary Prize 11/23/08 (EP9)
SWEEPSTAKES SIX:
One (1) Trip to Anguilla and One (1) Secondary Prize 11/30/08 (EP10)
making our finale on perhaps Dec 7th which some of you have probably all ready figured out. wahhhhhhhh
Post by: puddin on November 07, 2008, 11:26:11 PM
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Post by: georgiapeach on November 08, 2008, 03:56:24 PM