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Title: speculation on the finale
Post by: makz3d on April 23, 2007, 10:11:41 AM
All guesses on if theres a Fast Forward or who places where etc..can go here.
puddin



I'm just throwing this out there.

I have this gut feeling that the B-52 package drop screams FF.  This is the same as when I felt the van roll-over in HK was a FF due to the fact that TAR would not pay to roll up to 4 vans.

B-52 has much connection with the local Wright Patterson Air Force Base (WPAFB) in Dayton Ohio.  They are HUGE and maybe there are 4 planes loaded & ready to go except for the box or 2 the team packs for inclusion.

Would a FF fit at this stage of the race?  Could there be 3 FF?  Right now I'm sticking with FF although I feel I'll probably change my mind before the end of the week.
Title: Re: EP12: "Oh My God, The Teletubbies Go To War."
Post by: michael on April 23, 2007, 10:13:46 AM
makz3d, didn't Phil say "this is the second of only two fast forwards on the race..." while introducing the Chas FF in hong kong?
Title: Re: EP12: "Oh My God, The Teletubbies Go To War."
Post by: makz3d on April 23, 2007, 10:15:17 AM
makz3d, didn't Phil say "this is the second of only two fast forwards on the race..." while introducing the Chas FF in hong kong?

Michael, he may have, I just don't remember.  I am easily swayed either way.
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: michael on April 23, 2007, 10:18:54 AM
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Landing in Hong Kong with a sizable lead, Oswald & Danny's only troubles stemmed from a cash shortage as they paid their taxi at Sun Wah Kiu Laundry. After Danny negotiated a discount on the fare, the best friends opened their clue to find the second of two Fast Forwards on the race.

taken from: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race11/shows/ep09/index2.shtml
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: puddin on April 23, 2007, 07:21:58 PM
Danielle and Eric have to the luckiest damn people in the whole world if they win this race I will vomit. C/M and D/K have kicked ass throughout. I hope to god the spoilers are wrong.
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: michael on April 23, 2007, 08:27:28 PM
Since I like to  B:) B:) B:) A lot, here is Michael's latest:

Thanks to the awesome apskip we have this:

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MEETING WITH GLENN WEBER AND MARIE LIZAMA
Glenn is expecting to  become a local celebrity on Guam as soon as the relevant episode airs (usually within about 10 hours after U.S. East Coast due to time difference). He got a lot of camera time when the F3 teams booked their flights to Honollulu via Tokyo-Narita on the afternoon of Saturday Dec. 16. The previous day was a big day at Guam International Airport as Uchenna/Joyce, the Guidos and Danny/Oswald all departed with Phil on CO904 through Nagoya Japan to Honolulu. Glenn told me he got a brief opportuntiy to chat with Uchenna and Joyce. Dec. 16 had Glenn as the only NW individual on the 2 ticket counters, I believe by choice since he knew what would be happening. First up was Dustin/Kandice, who booked NW 81 mid-afternoon to Narita and NW10 from there to Honolulu. Charla/Mirna actually booked the same flights through Continental's ticket counter. Last was Eric/Danielle, who had run into a NW 747 pilot who convinced them to take the 20 minute later NW73 to Narita to get the comfort of the 747. After Dustin and Kandice heard about this, they decided to change their booking to do the same. The connect time to NW10 was still quite adedquate. Their production crew of cameraman and soundman just barely made it through customs with their equipment to get on the later flight.

Remember, this is for the last leg (on the way to Hawaii) so wouldn't the order of arrival at the airport indicate the order of arrival that the teams checked into the pit stop? (this idea I actually stole from puddin!)
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: georgiapeach on April 23, 2007, 08:39:39 PM
Yeah, we all want to hear more about those "demanding" blondes! ;)
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: michael on April 23, 2007, 08:50:10 PM
Don't forget, Mirna and Charla like to go to hotels a lot of the time after leaving the pit stop, so it doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: puddin on April 23, 2007, 08:53:52 PM
Let me put my 2 cents in.. I found the forum where chevy posted that he saw the teams in Guam, now foxburns  ( I see you in the lurker bar ) posted here   (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,8579.msg172594.html#msg172594) that he wrote to chevy and chevy replied:
* Charla/Mirna were first with (again) a huge lead
Eric/Danielle were next followed by...
BQ's and...
Cha Cha Chas's (still in it in guam apparently)

now I had also sent chevy a private message and even asked him to join us here but never received a reply. So what foxburns  can do to prove that what he posted is for real or not, if he still has the message from chevy, is take a screencap or some proof that chevy ever contacted him?


Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: michael on April 23, 2007, 08:55:28 PM
so for all we know C/M don't even have a big lead?

I completely missed the Guam spoiler for some reason so I wasn't around when the excitement was there..
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: georgiapeach on April 23, 2007, 09:05:20 PM
Well foxburns--if you are out there --we would all LOVE it if you could share!

Come on out and join us! This is your week to shine!
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: mswood on April 23, 2007, 09:33:40 PM
Danielle and Eric have to the luckiest damn people in the whole world if they win this race I will vomit. C/M and D/K have kicked ass throughout. I hope to god the spoilers are wrong.
Obviously someone who isn't paying actual attention to the show.
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: Big Papi on April 23, 2007, 09:36:28 PM
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Obviously someone who isn't paying actual attention to the show.

I was going to offer up the barf bags but I had already caused a stir.
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: mswood on April 23, 2007, 09:46:08 PM
I mean really.  No offense to you kid.  I can understand people not liking hte team (after all we all have different taste).

But they have had a lot of luck, a lot of bad luck.

Lets see.

1.  First team ever pulled off a plane in the 11 seasons of the race (they conceivable could have finished first for that leg, but afterwards at best 5th.
2.  One of two teams that with provided tickets to ever miss the provided connection, putting them 12 hours back (still finished hte tasks the 2cd fastest of the 6 teams).
3.  Yielded Twice (only the 2cd time that has ever happened Weavers 1st).
4.  Only team to ever be Yielded in a leg and have a penalty placed on that same leg, and even with penalty finished the leg faster then probably ever team (will have to check that out).

AARRRGGGHHH



Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: michael on April 23, 2007, 09:48:45 PM
wow, when you see a list like that you really realize how horrible they've had it.

Some people say that "this is their own fault". I don't think you can call being pulled off a plane their own fault. Or being yielded...TWICE...my opinion is always changing, sometimes I want them not to be in the F3, other times I want them to be be in the F3. here comes to pervy side to me....it's going to be nice seeing Danielle running around in Guam with her shorts on....
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: apskip on April 23, 2007, 09:50:51 PM
Let me second the thoughts of Michael D. It appears to me that Dustin/Kandice and Eric/Danielle actually did their flights reservations at Guam airport with Northwest Airlines. However. Charla/Mirna did not. Any travel agent could have previously booked the NW flights combination and any ticket agent with a valid plate could ticket it (including Continental who actually did it or the travel agency). Charla/Mirna could easily have been first under the scenario presented. However, in the spirit of true TAR bunching, they will all be even getting off the plane in Honolulu.

Actually, a word on that. I had to wait on U.S. immigration lines in Guam (because I left the transit area, both to talk to Glenn Weber and to take public transportation up to Yigo just south of one gate of Andersen Air Force Base. I observed in Guam numerous groups traveling with one wheelchair individual and in Newark a few such groups zipping through the U.S. citizens line as a result of being given special priority. I think it's absurd, but Charla/Mirna and their cameraman and soundman may benefit from it in Hawaii. I recall reading somewhere (maybe even RFF) that that will not be allowed for the final airport, SFO, so that all teams get a level playing field there.
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: michael on April 23, 2007, 09:54:32 PM
Alright, so as of now here are my thoughts:

2 possible pit stop scenarios
1. Charla and Mirna
2. Dustin and Kandice
3. Eric and Danielle
4. Danny and Oswald

OR

1. Dustin and Kandice
2. Charla and Mirna
3. Eric and Danielle
4. Danny and Oswald

I'm not sure which one I think is more likely right now, because there really isn't any way to tell.
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: gingerman28 on April 23, 2007, 10:25:49 PM
All guesses on if theres a Fast Forward or who places where etc..can go here.
puddin



I'm just throwing this out there.

I have this gut feeling that the B-52 package drop screams FF.  This is the same as when I felt the van roll-over in HK was a FF due to the fact that TAR would not pay to roll up to 4 vans.

B-52 has much connection with the local Wright Patterson Air Force Base (WPAFB) in Dayton Ohio.  They are HUGE and maybe there are 4 planes loaded & ready to go except for the box or 2 the team packs for inclusion.

Would a FF fit at this stage of the race?  Could there be 3 FF?  Right now I'm sticking with FF although I feel I'll probably change my mind before the end of the week.


The only things that get dropped out of a B-52 are 500 or 1000  pound bombs!
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: puddin on April 23, 2007, 10:38:55 PM
Gman  :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: michael on April 24, 2007, 09:50:44 AM
OK, thanks to mrspreacher, we have more things that point towards 1st and 2nd place for either D/K or C/M. I'm beginning to suspect that C/M might not have as huge as a lead as we would have imagined by reading the spoilers.

The challenge on the Naval base involved a run through a jungle, and a short helicopter ride: Roadblock?

The challenge at the Air Force base, is part of a toy drop that Guam participates in every December: Detour, or random task all teams must do?

I'm even more extied with this new information.. :wohoo:
where is that damn web promo?
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: makz3d on April 26, 2007, 08:30:17 AM

Hey all!

I'm really off base regarding the FF for C/M.  Seeing Charla at the Roadblock was the icing on the cake.  Boy, I really blew it this time.  I did state I would probably change my mind by the end of the week.

 :ignore:
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: makz3d on April 26, 2007, 10:14:05 AM


Not sure if this is where to put this.

I've seen both Promo Videos.  I am quite irked because it almost seems as if Dustin & Kandice were ignored.  There is only a few seconds of them and I didn't try real hard to find them but they don't seem to be in the cube of 4 finalist.  Even if you check the screen captures there's only 3 or 4 pics of a BQ.

I just felt the need to bring this up.

Is CBS trying to tell us something?
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: michael on April 26, 2007, 10:16:39 AM


Not sure if this is where to put this.

I've seen both Promo Videos.  I am quite irked because it almost seems as if Dustin & Kandice were ignored.  There is only a few seconds of them and I didn't try real hard to find them but they don't seem to be in the cube of 4 finalist.  Even if you check the screen captures there's only 3 or 4 pics of a BQ.

I just felt the need to bring this up.

Is CBS trying to tell us something?

Maybe they hate the BQs!  :lol3:
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: michael on April 26, 2007, 10:12:54 PM
I'm excited to see the motivational final three speeches at the end of the episode!
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: puddin on April 26, 2007, 11:12:47 PM
" I think.. you are going to be sad on May 6th Michael"

Nice Avi  :kissy:
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: michael on April 26, 2007, 11:14:02 PM
"I think... :groan: :knuckles: (:;) :meow: I'm as delusional as you can get. In TAR7 I thought Rob and Amber were going to show up and run right on in while U/J stood asking for money to pay the taxi!"
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: puddin on April 26, 2007, 11:41:46 PM
lol..I thought or should I say "wanted" Romber to win. I was mad like forever and don't think I'm over it yet  :knuckles:
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: michael on April 26, 2007, 11:44:54 PM
lol..I thought or should I say "wanted" Romber to win. I was mad like forever and don't think I'm over it yet  :knuckles:

Sounds like me talking about this season. I'll never get over it! They came so close, they've been doing better then all the other teams right now, and a PART OF ME (I know, I know I'm being naive) still believes that they MIGHT win. I just don't want to go into the finale with not a shred of hope :( :groan:
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: puddin on April 26, 2007, 11:50:58 PM
 :2cents: :bigbaby: :ya3:
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: michael on April 26, 2007, 11:54:56 PM
 :ele: < Gretchen LOL
*random*

I may be a big baby, but I'm still awesome :whever: :hand:
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: puddin on April 27, 2007, 12:33:13 AM
Gretchen Rules :jam:

 :chillpill: :james: :CnJ:
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: michael on April 27, 2007, 12:34:49 AM
The only way I can remember that her name was Gretchen and not Meridith is by imagining the way she yelled "MERIDITH" all the time LOL I miss her!
Title: Re: "I think."...speculation on spoilers
Post by: makz3d on April 27, 2007, 08:50:39 AM

Michael,

You're not the only one wanting Dustin & Kandice to win.  I'm hoping so much that they do.  I'm wishing that boot list is wrong but I know it's probably right but it's not 100% that it's right.  That does give us some sliver of hope.

 :pray:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: apskip on April 29, 2007, 10:25:52 PM
down_with_alli stated
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3) Unfortunately I think the finale is going to be the majority of the tasks in Honolulu. Which means if you fall behind in the tasks at Honolulu (*cough* MIRNA DIVING/SWIMMING AT THE ROADBLOCK/DETOUR *cough*) then you're pretty much screwed for the 1st and 2nd flights (hence C/M coming in 3rd  )

From what I saw of the preview, I disagree. The majority of those tasks are much more likely to be on Lanai than in Honolulu.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: down_with_alli on April 29, 2007, 10:30:53 PM
down_with_alli stated
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3) Unfortunately I think the finale is going to be the majority of the tasks in Honolulu. Which means if you fall behind in the tasks at Honolulu (*cough* MIRNA DIVING/SWIMMING AT THE ROADBLOCK/DETOUR *cough*) then you're pretty much screwed for the 1st and 2nd flights (hence C/M coming in 3rd  )

From what I saw of the preview, I disagree. The majority of those tasks are much more likely to be on Lanai than in Honolulu.

Sorry, being the ignorant me that I am I just assume the Honolulu is "everywhere they go apart from the final city" lol.

 :groan:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: apskip on April 29, 2007, 11:19:07 PM
The correct word for that is "Hawaii".
Title: Re: EP13:
Post by: $HOP@HOL!C on April 30, 2007, 03:13:11 PM
Ok. They could have changed this for this season but....

What I've noticed in the past is that the order of the confessionals at the end of the penultimate episode is the same order that the teams arrive at the finish mat. Judging by this, D/K win ( :yess:), E/D are second, C/M are 3rd. Like I said, it could be different this season.
Title: Re: EP13:
Post by: $HOP@HOL!C on April 30, 2007, 03:13:59 PM
oh oops, I didn't realize that there was a seperate board for speculations, sorry
Title: Re: EP13:
Post by: michael on April 30, 2007, 03:18:01 PM
It's been like that for a couple of seasons ( I looked back at the episodes ), but I wouldn't put to much thought into it...it's probably just a coincidence..

TAR10 - James and Tyler
TAR 9 - BJ and Tyler
TAR 8 - the Linzes
TAR 7 - Uchenna and Joyce
Title: Re: EP13:
Post by: $HOP@HOL!C on April 30, 2007, 03:34:20 PM
HOPEFULLY its not!!! lol
Title: Re: EP13: "Low to the Ground, That's My Technique."
Post by: Tyler on April 30, 2007, 07:54:15 PM
Oh my, I'll die from the wait before Sunday. If Eric & Danielle wins......I won't be happy.
Title: Re: EP13: "Low to the Ground, That's My Technique."
Post by: musicman85 on April 30, 2007, 08:30:49 PM
I'm wondering if they'll be lots of running to the finish line like in season 2? I would love to see the BQ's up against E/D and BQ's beating E/D =)
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on April 30, 2007, 09:05:12 PM
Look puddin and papi

our teams get a long:

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2409/30Apr0018.jpg) :yess:

I'm guessing C/M don't make it on the same flight as them?
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on April 30, 2007, 11:12:06 PM
I wish the promo for the finale was more like the TAR7 finale promo!
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: puddin on May 01, 2007, 12:01:31 AM
No more like TAR10 promo with the winners running for their million $$$$$$$$$$$ to the mat. But you know they know Chateau would figure out the times so they went neener neener  :meow:
So Michael you want to see Kandice carry Dustin on her back ala Romber  :angel:?
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 01, 2007, 12:03:20 AM
YES PUDDIN!  :lol3:

"I can't run...!"

broke back beauty queens  :angel:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 01, 2007, 04:34:37 PM
You know what would be cool? If teams from each of the F3 teams seasons waited for them at the finish line!!
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: red_sox on May 01, 2007, 08:31:58 PM
I wonder where the DK/ED hi-5 is?
Could it be on the flight to Hawaii? Where DK change thier flight to the one ED is on.. or could it be to SF and Charla and Mirna miss the flight and tehy rejoice  :groan: :'(
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 01, 2007, 08:33:00 PM
I think it might be from Guam > Hawaii, because there is a screencap of D/K from the beginning of the leg and their hair and clothes is exactly the same as the high five
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: red_sox on May 01, 2007, 08:36:28 PM
OK well that's good then.. cos we already know C/M catch up to DK in Hawaii  :jam:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 01, 2007, 09:25:20 PM
I take it you are also praying for a miracle this Sunday?
It just dawned me on now that the probability of the boot list being wrong is like 0.1% ....whatever, stranger things have happened.

I'm wondering why we got no shots of D/K from end city
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: red_sox on May 02, 2007, 02:03:57 AM
I am more than praying for a miracle this Sunday! If Charla and Mirna win.. I will scream constantly, run out onto the street and start hugging random people, then i owuld come back inside and stare at a photo of C/M whilst laughing crazily  :lol3: :(

Honestly though, the worst case scenario for me is that C/M are winning the entire leg, and only just get beat at the very end. I would.. collapse :groan: :'(

And honestly though, i dont see the boot-list as a fact. I know it's been accruate so far, but we cant know for sure until we see it happen. You never know, and i have all y fingers and toes crossed  :jam:

(PS. I'd still be happy for Eric and Dani IF they win.. id just cry for my beloved C/M :'()
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: oceanice on May 02, 2007, 06:45:37 AM
Hi everyone! Kinda late to join this forum because TAR All-Stars is almost at its end. Anyway, I'm excited for the finale this coming Sunday... I hope Dustin and Kandice will win this season. They're my favorites!! That's why I'm rooting for them. I really do hope they will win. ;D
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: chris_oclc on May 02, 2007, 07:05:01 AM
hey guys! i'm chris, from the philippines...i just want to say reading your forum has been great and i always read it every week to keep updated on what could happen next and most of your spoilers were accurate and did came true... i hope that next season i can post more and join in speculating.... i'm really a big AR fan and this for me is the best season... i'm a BIG dustin and kandice fan, they're the best all-female team and i'd really like them to win it so bad..hehe
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 02, 2007, 10:17:34 AM
Hello chris_oclc and oceanice! Welcome to RFF :D

I am also (clearly) rooting for the BQs to win! Hopefully they are the kind of team to accept 2nd place with a smile kind of like Teri and Ian in TAR2 and just be proud that they got that far. That would be nice :D
(well, hopefully they WIN!)

 :ya3:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: serendipity on May 02, 2007, 12:43:32 PM
Michael, you are not the only one who doesn't believe the boot list, I'm with you too!  :waves:

After seeing all the episodes, I think many viewers will be pissed if D/K don't win because they are getting the best edit among all teams, AND E/D are clearly the most hated team.  (:;) So I also keep the hope that the boot list may be wrong and D/K finally win. Maybe E/D just arrive the final task first but D/K catch up and finish it faster and beat them like what BJ/Tyler did in TAR9? Just keep my hope for it...
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: BballKates on May 02, 2007, 01:23:38 PM
I mean really.  No offense to you kid.  I can understand people not liking hte team (after all we all have different taste).

But they have had a lot of luck, a lot of bad luck.

Lets see.

1.  First team ever pulled off a plane in the 11 seasons of the race (they conceivable could have finished first for that leg, but afterwards at best 5th.
2.  One of two teams that with provided tickets to ever miss the provided connection, putting them 12 hours back (still finished hte tasks the 2cd fastest of the 6 teams).
3.  Yielded Twice (only the 2cd time that has ever happened Weavers 1st).
4.  Only team to ever be Yielded in a leg and have a penalty placed on that same leg, and even with penalty finished the leg faster then probably ever team (will have to check that out).

AARRRGGGHHH





First off I am not a kid, I'm 22, thank you very much. And second that sure as hell is luck, they have been thrown every bad situation in the world and manage to get by week after week. That's luck if you ask me. I just think that Dustin and Kandice deserve to win. But even if you run a near perfect race, like the BQ's have, it doesn't matter because winning this show means you need to have a lot of things go your way. Bad luck or not, they are lucky because they have some how managed to stay around despite all the misfortunes.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: asamber1 on May 02, 2007, 02:09:00 PM
Look puddin and papi

our teams get a long:

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2409/30Apr0018.jpg) :yess:

I'm guessing C/M don't make it on the same flight as them?

Do we KNOW this isnt the plane to San Fran?  Why would they be so happy to be the only teams on a fligh to hawaii.  Danielle and Eric seem ahead in Hawaii so they would be on fist as the BQ's come in a high five each other in a two way race, with the fat rat and the hypocrite having no chance.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 02, 2007, 02:21:41 PM
there is nothing that show Eric and Danielle as being ahead din Hawaii is there?
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: puddin on May 02, 2007, 02:48:36 PM
This isn't sucks or Twop's or tarflies, if you want to slander the contestants by calling them names this is the place to do it. Root for who you want but I won't tolerate name calling. Don't hate the players hate the game.
Fair warning
with that........
ERIC & DANILLEEEEEEEE FOR THE WIN  :wohoo:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 02, 2007, 02:51:48 PM
Good warning puddin, I said it once I'll say it again: the fact that you don't want a team to win does not mean you should automatically hate them for reasons that make you seem insane.

bah, my firefox spell checker always corrects your name to "pudding"
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: Slowhatch on May 02, 2007, 10:57:21 PM
(I can't paste the picture and quote above from Michael for some reason)
It's an interesting point. We know from other spoilers that the two teams took a later 747 into Hawaii. Would they be high-fiving just for getting a more comfortable flight? I've been trying to match the interior to a 747-200 (http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/seatm/747200g/747200g.gif) without much luck. Maybe it's the flight out of Hawaii.

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Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: puddin on May 02, 2007, 11:03:27 PM
Danielle looks fresh so I was thinking the flight out of Guam ..

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP13/00515-1-2007.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP13/29Apr0034.jpg)
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 02, 2007, 11:04:40 PM
Yeah - and Dustin and Kandice are wearing the same clothes that we see them wearing when they rip open the clue (it was in one of the screencaps from the web promo)
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: gator27 on May 03, 2007, 06:16:25 AM
(I can't paste the picture and quote above from Michael for some reason)
It's an interesting point. We know from other spoilers that the two teams took a later 747 into Hawaii. Would they be high-fiving just for getting a more comfortable flight? I've been trying to match the interior to a 747-200 (http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/seatm/747200g/747200g.gif) without much luck. Maybe it's the flight out of Hawaii.

Maybe they are high fiving because they think they ditched Schmirna.
Title: Re: Speculation for EP12
Post by: mswood on May 03, 2007, 10:08:22 AM
I mean really.  No offense to you kid.  I can understand people not liking hte team (after all we all have different taste).

But they have had a lot of luck, a lot of bad luck.

Lets see.

1.  First team ever pulled off a plane in the 11 seasons of the race (they conceivable could have finished first for that leg, but afterwards at best 5th.
2.  One of two teams that with provided tickets to ever miss the provided connection, putting them 12 hours back (still finished hte tasks the 2cd fastest of the 6 teams).
3.  Yielded Twice (only the 2cd time that has ever happened Weavers 1st).
4.  Only team to ever be Yielded in a leg and have a penalty placed on that same leg, and even with penalty finished the leg faster then probably ever team (will have to check that out).

AARRRGGGHHH





First off I am not a kid, I'm 22, thank you very much. And second that sure as hell is luck, they have been thrown every bad situation in the world and manage to get by week after week. That's luck if you ask me. I just think that Dustin and Kandice deserve to win. But even if you run a near perfect race, like the BQ's have, it doesn't matter because winning this show means you need to have a lot of things go your way. Bad luck or not, they are lucky because they have some how managed to stay around despite all the misfortunes.

Sorry about the kid comment.

But to me luck is a factor for things out of your control.  Cabs who get you lost, getting yielded, getting bad info for navigation, plane problems outside your control.

Performance of tasks and being able to follow clues in my eyes are how well you perform, the things that you have the most control over.

And for instance the 2 biggest factors (or the two most common) factors in that are getting a bad cab (either a slow cab or one that takes you to the wrong place after saying they know it) and getting bad information from locals.  But it both of those you generally have a the possability of being able to correct them.  Take Dustin & Kandice who switched cabs in leg 11 (thats the correct thing to do) while Oswald & Danny kept the same driver they were having problems communiacting with (what you don't do).  And generally those erors cost teams anywhere between 5 minutes to 1 or two hours.

See I consider Dustin & Kandice to be luckier.

For example in three legs (in a row) they didn't follow the instructions of the clue (their mistake, one they had control over).  BUt they had good luck that they occured either right before equilizer's in two cases.  And in the one where they skipped a route marker, right near the Pit Stop (less then 5 miles). Can you imagine if that same error occured at the start of a leg, or even at the start of their new destination city.  Or if Phil required tehm to go back and actually perform the task in order.

Basically to me are Eric & Danielle still in the race because of luck or in spite of luck?



Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: thats right on May 03, 2007, 01:00:54 PM
Let's clear something up. Eric & Danielle did not have to take the provided tickets to Poland. They were at the very same travel agency that Charla, Mirna, Danny, and Oswald got their tickets to Poland that arrived less than an hour after Dustin & Kandice. That is not bad luck, it's carelessness. Better tickets were obviously available.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 03, 2007, 02:28:12 PM
Let's clear something up. Eric & Danielle did not have to take the provided tickets to Poland. They were at the very same travel agency that Charla, Mirna, Danny, and Oswald got their tickets to Poland that arrived less than an hour after Dustin & Kandice. That is not bad luck, it's carelessness. Better tickets were obviously available.

Obviously they tried getting onto other flights, it was all booked - that is not their fault.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: asamber1 on May 03, 2007, 05:53:09 PM
Let's clear something up. Eric & Danielle did not have to take the provided tickets to Poland. They were at the very same travel agency that Charla, Mirna, Danny, and Oswald got their tickets to Poland that arrived less than an hour after Dustin & Kandice. That is not bad luck, it's carelessness. Better tickets were obviously available.

Obviously they tried getting onto other flights, it was all booked - that is not their fault.

Yes it is, had they waited with Ozzy and Danny and Charla and Mirna it was liklly they would have been on with them.   It was obvious the ticket agents in Zazinbar were not very good.  It was stupidity.  Even if thing were booked you should never just settle for the worst flight like they did!  Seconly your point was never ever made obvious in the episode it more looked like they just gave up.  Just like how my point of from the previews Derick seem to be in first place has no proff!
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 03, 2007, 05:55:01 PM
asamber1 - C/M and D/O where at that agent for I think four hours or something like that, they had to work hard to get these two teams onto that flight, by the time E/D got there it was already booked.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 03, 2007, 10:07:27 PM
What does Kandice think of the boot-list?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/michael_dimech15/bootlisthahaha.png)
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: Chateau d If on May 03, 2007, 11:18:27 PM
 :beer:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: iargyrop on May 04, 2007, 01:55:17 AM
All I know is that I want the bootlist to be right. Plus I remember something my om would tell me when I was young. "You can know someone your whole life without really knowing them, bbut you can also know someone for 6 months and know a lot about them." Thus, for me at least the question is do two cousins who have known eachother their whole lives know eachother better than a couple that has been dating??? I would never date someone without knowing things about them, so I think Eric and Danielle have a good chance of winning in that task.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: thats right on May 04, 2007, 08:24:34 AM
asamber1 - C/M and D/O where at that agent for I think four hours or something like that, they had to work hard to get these two teams onto that flight, by the time E/D got there it was already booked.

Wrong. The ticket agent said something like "Oh, one just opened up" shortly after Eric and Danielle ended up leaving the agency. That's when the two teams got their flight.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: asamber1 on May 04, 2007, 05:33:20 PM
asamber1 - C/M and D/O where at that agent for I think four hours or something like that, they had to work hard to get these two teams onto that flight, by the time E/D got there it was already booked.

Wrong. The ticket agent said something like "Oh, one just opened up" shortly after Eric and Danielle ended up leaving the agency. That's when the two teams got their flight.

CORRECT!!!  Eric and Danielle left [fighting like what else to they do, they have their great "fake" relationship] before CM and OD got tickets!

You would think they would try to say Danielle/Eric were at least Long Distance Daters?
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: thats right on May 04, 2007, 05:41:19 PM
asamber1 - C/M and D/O where at that agent for I think four hours or something like that, they had to work hard to get these two teams onto that flight, by the time E/D got there it was already booked.

Wrong. The ticket agent said something like "Oh, one just opened up" shortly after Eric and Danielle ended up leaving the agency. That's when the two teams got their flight.

CORRECT!!!  Eric and Danielle left [fighting like what else to they do, they have their great "fake" relationship] before CM and OD got tickets!

You would think they would try to say Danielle/Eric were at least Long Distance Daters?

I'm not commenting on the relationship, but I do believe that its hard to imagine people rooting for this team in terms of skill, especially when some of their worst situations (the Poland flight, as well as the Hong Kong flight) were caused directly by their own efforts. That's not to say I don't understand that people like them in real life. Although it reflects poorly when just about every comment from them is directed negatively about someone else.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: gingerman28 on May 04, 2007, 08:34:19 PM
(I can't paste the picture and quote above from Michael for some reason)
It's an interesting point. We know from other spoilers that the two teams took a later 747 into Hawaii. Would they be high-fiving just for getting a more comfortable flight? I've been trying to match the interior to a 747-200 (http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/seatm/747200g/747200g.gif) without much luck. Maybe it's the flight out of Hawaii.

These two teams are on an Airbus 333 on NW flight 73 from GUM to NRT.  All three teams will be on a 747 from NRT to HNL
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 04, 2007, 10:45:26 PM
Less then 47 hours...I'm getting nervous!
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: down_with_alli on May 04, 2007, 10:49:43 PM
Less then 47 hours...I'm getting nervous!

Same here Michael and I've got a frickin Neuroscience test this week  :'(

I really really really hope the boot list is wrong and an all Female team wins it this season (C/M first, D/K 2nd or vice versa).

The females are PWNING this race so far...BUT I wouldn't mind if E/D win.

I just hope the bootlist is wrong  :lol: which it probably won't be  :meow:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 04, 2007, 10:57:00 PM
You know, I'm betting a lot of the bitterness towards Eric and Danielle's possible win is also because D/K and C/M have a HUGE fanbase, and this is the first time in the history of TAR that we get to F/F teams in the F3, and with such a gigantic possibility of a F/F team win, we don't get one, so a lot of people might be peeved at that, I'm sure more then 75% of the people saying rude things about E/D will get over it eventually when/if they win.

Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: down_with_alli on May 04, 2007, 11:37:37 PM
You know, I'm betting a lot of the bitterness towards Eric and Danielle's possible win is also because D/K and C/M have a HUGE fanbase, and this is the first time in the history of TAR that we get to F/F teams in the F3, and with such a gigantic possibility of a F/F team win, we don't get one, so a lot of people might be peeved at that, I'm sure more then 75% of the people saying rude things about E/D will get over it eventually when/if they win.



I think you're right. Also, a lot of people don't find them to be a "real team" quite simply because they haven't raced together before.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: iargyrop on May 05, 2007, 12:49:02 AM
I don't think E/D ar a fake team simply because they nver raced together before. It was just a new combination, and both of them agreed to race together in the race instead of racing with their original partners. I would like to see them win because I think they deserve it after the bashing they've taken all season long.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: down_with_alli on May 05, 2007, 02:18:51 AM
I don't think E/D ar a fake team simply because they nver raced together before. It was just a new combination, and both of them agreed to race together in the race instead of racing with their original partners. I would like to see them win because I think they deserve it after the bashing they've taken all season long.

Especially from Miss Alli.

That horrid bitch.

I mean...nice lady.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: red_sox on May 05, 2007, 02:55:40 AM
SPOILER ALERT:

Omh guys you wont believe it! I was just talking to my cousin who's from SF.. and she happens to work in the Botanical Gardens there! Anyways she was working when the finale was filmed and withness the final sprint to the finish line!!
She said Eric and Danielle, along with Dustin and Kandice were coming in first when they enterred the garden, with Charla and Mirna 5 minutes behind. However apparently the foot-path to the finish line was so slippery that both D/K and E/D kept on falling over and couldnt get there! Charla and Mirna then glided past, Charla on her heelies and Mirna on her shoulders!! They won the race by like 10 minutes! (D/K + E/D eventually started slitherring on thier stomochs there)

Well no need to watch the finale now... i know how it ends!!  :jumpy: :happy: :yess: :hearts:


*retreats into world of denial  :lol:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: iargyrop on May 05, 2007, 03:22:44 AM
PLEASE TELL ME YOU'RE JOKING!!!!!

SPOILER ALERT:

Omh guys you wont believe it! I was just talking to my cousin who's from SF.. and she happens to work in the Botanical Gardens there! Anyways she was working when the finale was filmed and withness the final sprint to the finish line!!
She said Eric and Danielle, along with Dustin and Kandice were coming in first when they enterred the garden, with Charla and Mirna 5 minutes behind. However apparently the foot-path to the finish line was so slippery that both D/K and E/D kept on falling over and couldnt get there! Charla and Mirna then glided past, Charla on her heelies and Mirna on her shoulders!! They won the race by like 10 minutes! (D/K + E/D eventually started slitherring on thier stomochs there)

Well no need to watch the finale now... i know how it ends!!  :jumpy: :happy: :yess: :hearts:


*retreats into world of denial  :lol:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: gien on May 05, 2007, 04:07:53 AM
SPOILER ALERT:

Omh guys you wont believe it! I was just talking to my cousin who's from SF.. and she happens to work in the Botanical Gardens there! Anyways she was working when the finale was filmed and withness the final sprint to the finish line!!
She said Eric and Danielle, along with Dustin and Kandice were coming in first when they enterred the garden, with Charla and Mirna 5 minutes behind. However apparently the foot-path to the finish line was so slippery that both D/K and E/D kept on falling over and couldnt get there! Charla and Mirna then glided past, Charla on her heelies and Mirna on her shoulders!! They won the race by like 10 minutes! (D/K + E/D eventually started slitherring on thier stomochs there)

Well no need to watch the finale now... i know how it ends!!  :jumpy: :happy: :yess: :hearts:


*retreats into world of denial  :lol:

How can charla and mirna won by 10 mins. only, if they are behind by 5 minutes with D/K and E/D (in front),  even its too slippery,  i dont think that e/d and d/k will be on back of charla/mirna by 10 mins.  but if they win,  congrats, but still im looking for Dustin/kandice as All star winners!!
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: down_with_alli on May 05, 2007, 07:11:19 AM
SPOILER ALERT:

Omh guys you wont believe it! I was just talking to my cousin who's from SF.. and she happens to work in the Botanical Gardens there! Anyways she was working when the finale was filmed and withness the final sprint to the finish line!!
She said Eric and Danielle, along with Dustin and Kandice were coming in first when they enterred the garden, with Charla and Mirna 5 minutes behind. However apparently the foot-path to the finish line was so slippery that both D/K and E/D kept on falling over and couldnt get there! Charla and Mirna then glided past, Charla on her heelies and Mirna on her shoulders!! They won the race by like 10 minutes! (D/K + E/D eventually started slitherring on thier stomochs there)

Well no need to watch the finale now... i know how it ends!!  :jumpy: :happy: :yess: :hearts:


*retreats into world of denial  :lol:

I've got an even more credible source.

WARNING SPOILER!

Well I personally know Phil, and he told me that Charla and Mirna DO win, but not the way you said.

Well you see, Eric and Danielle were coming first with Dustin and Kandice so close behind (because they had to run 15km to the finish line) when out of nowhere Mirna comes riding on a horse yelling "MORE RAPIDO! TOO LESS RAPIDO!" with Charla leading it in an armour suit carrying a chunk of beef on her heelies whilst dangling Polish sausage around her neck to make it go faster.

Then when they reach the finish line, Phil says "45,000 miles, 5 continents..." but before he can finish Mirna says "Ok ok now I come fight you HIYAH HIYAH HIYAH!" as Chalra grabs a knife and shoves it down her throat and spews all over Phil's shoes and everyone laughs and celebrates their win as they ride off into the sunset with the million dollar cheque, Mirna hollering "These people disGUST me".

Or so I've heard.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: red_sox on May 05, 2007, 08:53:49 AM
 :noway:
We'll see who's version is true when the finale aires  :jam:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: gingerman28 on May 05, 2007, 09:51:45 AM
I swore that I would never tell (had to sign a confidentiality statement and had my house up as collateral) but what the heck, the house needs painting anyway.

Due to a really bad technical screwup, TPTB, after long consultation with lawyers for the network, have decided that it would be in their  best interest to let Romber back into the race in order to avoid a potential costly law suit.  Romber pick up the chace at San Francisco airport and manage to squeek out a final run to the matt passing Eric and Danielle on the way, who by the way stopped just short of the mat to say hello to the reappearance of Romber.

So the final outcome of TARAS is that Romber win by the bill of Roib's hat.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: Big Papi on May 05, 2007, 10:11:01 AM
I swore that I would never tell (had to sign a confidentiality statement and had my house up as collateral) but what the heck, the house needs painting anyway.

Due to a really bad technical screwup, TPTB, after long consultation with lawyers for the network, have decided that it would be in their  best interest to let Romber back into the race in order to avoid a potential costly law suit.  Romber pick up the chace at San Francisco airport and manage to squeek out a final run to the matt passing Eric and Danielle on the way, who by the way stopped just short of the mat to say hello to the reappearance of Romber.

So the final outcome of TARAS is that Romber win by the bill of Roib's hat.

Dangit, Eric was wearing my good luck Bronx Bomber's cap so you're tellin' me that the Bosox eek out another win vs Yankees  :'(
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: puddin on May 05, 2007, 10:38:57 AM
I predict Big Papi uncovers Jimmy Hoffa's body at Yankee stadium :kogs
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: Big Papi on May 05, 2007, 11:03:04 AM
I predict Big Papi uncovers Jimmy Hoffa's body at Yankee stadium :kogs

 :lol3: I think Jimmy went for a swim though :diver:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: puddin on May 05, 2007, 11:34:41 AM
I predict Big Papi uncovers Jimmy Hoffa's body at Yankee stadium :kogs

 :lol3: I think Jimmy went for a swim though :diver:
Bada Bing!! ;)
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: gingerman28 on May 05, 2007, 09:19:53 PM
I predict Big Papi uncovers Jimmy Hoffa's body at Yankee stadium :kogs

Puddin, its a documented fact that he rests in the foundation of Giant Stadium (that's in New Jersey) under the Northwest corner.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: puddin on May 05, 2007, 11:09:20 PM
I predict Big Papi uncovers Jimmy Hoffa's body at Yankee stadium :kogs

Puddin, its a documented fact that he rests in the foundation of Giant Stadium (that's in New Jersey) under the Northwest corner.
  :lol: tell us what you know Gman?
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: Kogs on May 05, 2007, 11:12:31 PM
I predict Big Papi uncovers Jimmy Hoffa's body at Yankee stadium :kogs

Puddin, its a documented fact that he rests in the foundation of Giant Stadium (that's in New Jersey) under the Northwest corner.

oh crap i guessed im not aloud there anymore. oops!!!
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: mswood on May 06, 2007, 01:17:32 PM
asamber1 - C/M and D/O where at that agent for I think four hours or something like that, they had to work hard to get these two teams onto that flight, by the time E/D got there it was already booked.
Wrong. The ticket agent said something like "Oh, one just opened up" shortly after Eric and Danielle ended up leaving the agency. That's when the two teams got their flight.

CORRECT!!!  Eric and Danielle left [fighting like what else to they do, they have their great "fake" relationship] before CM and OD got tickets!

You would think they would try to say Danielle/Eric were at least Long Distance Daters?

I'm not commenting on the relationship, but I do believe that its hard to imagine people rooting for this team in terms of skill, especially when some of their worst situations (the Poland flight, as well as the Hong Kong flight) were caused directly by their own efforts. That's not to say I don't understand that people like them in real life. Although it reflects poorly when just about every comment from them is directed negatively about someone else.

Actually lets get some facts straight here (at least as presented on the show).

Yes Eric & Danielle left briefly from the agency.  But they never were helped by an agent.  If some tickets opened up (8 at least) we have no idea if any others did, and for them to do something wrong you would have to know if more tickets then the 8 that were used by Charla & Mirna and Oswald & Danny's teams (and crew) were available.  Meaning 4 more tickets would have had to open up.

After all it took 7 plus hours for Oswald & Danny to get tickets to clear up, we have no idea if Eric & Danielle being right after them would have had tickets.

What we do know about that leg is that only Dustin & Kandice performed the tasks of that day faster then they did.  Thats their performance.

In Hong Kong they did what you think should be done.  THey checked internet and they put themselves on both waiting list.  It certainly isn't their fault that Charla & Mirna who never put themselves on the 2cd flights waiting list was allowed to use Oswald & Danny's booking to get on.  They actually you know behaved like polite individuals and didn't get into any ones face and tell the locals how to do their job.  Which can't be said for either Dustin & Kandice or Charla & Mirna.  Now sure perhaps if they made abig enough stink they might have fought enough to get on board.  But ideally they shouldn't have to.

In fac the worst behavior they have shown to any local was Danielle begging to get on the connection.  They have fought very little with each other (again, I strongly suggest teams rewatch previous seasons to get an idea about teams that fight with each other).  Or hell even watch Charla & Mirna who have fought more often with each other and yelled more at each other.  Or yelled at and fought with other teams more.

One thing I do wish is that I wish we knew how consistent the travel time on the dhows were to Zanzibar.  Because just off of departure times of the rides and arrivial times at Pit Stop Eric & Danielle finished that one faster then any team (but that does have the possability of fluctuating dhow times, unless they use the motor on board to make a set time, and honestly we don't know).

But look at the airport shuffle they do.  They were the ones who managed to snag through persistence the early flight in episode #3, they were the ones to first seek out the upstairs office in Leg 6 I think, and out of that group were the only team not to get out that later flight.

They try and use internet often to get flights (we haven't for example seen Dustin & Kandice unless instructed by the clues try anthing besides the Airports).

They have performed one leg poorly when they were all on a level playing field.  Charla & Mirna have been nearly eliminated several tiems on an even playing field.  On three episodes they have taken longet to complete the days tasks then anyone and were only saved from elimiantion due to teams being behind due to flights beyond their control.

Dustin & Kandice who have raced the 2cd half of the race strong have three episodes in a row where they failed to follow the instructions fo the clues.

So really Eric & Danielle have made actually fewer out and out mistakes, they have actually performed tasks as well as any team on this season.

They have been hurt by 2 yields, a 30 minute penality and 3 cases of flight delays that were not their fault and were not risky flights that they gambled on knowing it was a risking flight.

By the end of hte season I might actually try and complete something I did for season 9 and try and get a best guess on the final three and see who actually performed the tasks faster or slower for the full season.

AS for their eit, sure they have been pissed at Oswald & Danny, Dustin & Kandice and didn't like The Guidos.  ANd get annoyed by Charla & Mirna (which only one team has said they aren't annoyed by them).

But on clips we generally get a much nicer showing by this team.

Compare that to say Oswald & Danny on clips we get a lot more poor behavior, more insulting locals, more fighting with teams, cussing each other out, cussing other racers out, ect).  Their good seems to always make the episode, their worst usually doesn't.

With Eric & Danielle between episode, clips, mat chats, interviews so far the worst has made it to the screen.  But a lot of nicer moments haven't.

For several other teams their worst doesn't make the epsiode.

Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: thats right on May 06, 2007, 02:13:12 PM
asamber1 - C/M and D/O where at that agent for I think four hours or something like that, they had to work hard to get these two teams onto that flight, by the time E/D got there it was already booked.
Wrong. The ticket agent said something like "Oh, one just opened up" shortly after Eric and Danielle ended up leaving the agency. That's when the two teams got their flight.

CORRECT!!!  Eric and Danielle left [fighting like what else to they do, they have their great "fake" relationship] before CM and OD got tickets!

You would think they would try to say Danielle/Eric were at least Long Distance Daters?

I'm not commenting on the relationship, but I do believe that its hard to imagine people rooting for this team in terms of skill, especially when some of their worst situations (the Poland flight, as well as the Hong Kong flight) were caused directly by their own efforts. That's not to say I don't understand that people like them in real life. Although it reflects poorly when just about every comment from them is directed negatively about someone else.

Actually lets get some facts straight here (at least as presented on the show).

Yes Eric & Danielle left briefly from the agency.  But they never were helped by an agent.  If some tickets opened up (8 at least) we have no idea if any others did, and for them to do something wrong you would have to know if more tickets then the 8 that were used by Charla & Mirna and Oswald & Danny's teams (and crew) were available.  Meaning 4 more tickets would have had to open up.

After all it took 7 plus hours for Oswald & Danny to get tickets to clear up, we have no idea if Eric & Danielle being right after them would have had tickets.

What we do know about that leg is that only Dustin & Kandice performed the tasks of that day faster then they did.  Thats their performance.

In Hong Kong they did what you think should be done.  THey checked internet and they put themselves on both waiting list.  It certainly isn't their fault that Charla & Mirna who never put themselves on the 2cd flights waiting list was allowed to use Oswald & Danny's booking to get on.  They actually you know behaved like polite individuals and didn't get into any ones face and tell the locals how to do their job.  Which can't be said for either Dustin & Kandice or Charla & Mirna.  Now sure perhaps if they made abig enough stink they might have fought enough to get on board.  But ideally they shouldn't have to.

In fac the worst behavior they have shown to any local was Danielle begging to get on the connection.  They have fought very little with each other (again, I strongly suggest teams rewatch previous seasons to get an idea about teams that fight with each other).  Or hell even watch Charla & Mirna who have fought more often with each other and yelled more at each other.  Or yelled at and fought with other teams more.

One thing I do wish is that I wish we knew how consistent the travel time on the dhows were to Zanzibar.  Because just off of departure times of the rides and arrivial times at Pit Stop Eric & Danielle finished that one faster then any team (but that does have the possability of fluctuating dhow times, unless they use the motor on board to make a set time, and honestly we don't know).

But look at the airport shuffle they do.  They were the ones who managed to snag through persistence the early flight in episode #3, they were the ones to first seek out the upstairs office in Leg 6 I think, and out of that group were the only team not to get out that later flight.

They try and use internet often to get flights (we haven't for example seen Dustin & Kandice unless instructed by the clues try anthing besides the Airports).

They have performed one leg poorly when they were all on a level playing field.  Charla & Mirna have been nearly eliminated several tiems on an even playing field.  On three episodes they have taken longet to complete the days tasks then anyone and were only saved from elimiantion due to teams being behind due to flights beyond their control.

Dustin & Kandice who have raced the 2cd half of the race strong have three episodes in a row where they failed to follow the instructions fo the clues.

So really Eric & Danielle have made actually fewer out and out mistakes, they have actually performed tasks as well as any team on this season.

They have been hurt by 2 yields, a 30 minute penality and 3 cases of flight delays that were not their fault and were not risky flights that they gambled on knowing it was a risking flight.

By the end of hte season I might actually try and complete something I did for season 9 and try and get a best guess on the final three and see who actually performed the tasks faster or slower for the full season.

AS for their eit, sure they have been pissed at Oswald & Danny, Dustin & Kandice and didn't like The Guidos.  ANd get annoyed by Charla & Mirna (which only one team has said they aren't annoyed by them).

But on clips we generally get a much nicer showing by this team.

Compare that to say Oswald & Danny on clips we get a lot more poor behavior, more insulting locals, more fighting with teams, cussing each other out, cussing other racers out, ect).  Their good seems to always make the episode, their worst usually doesn't.

With Eric & Danielle between episode, clips, mat chats, interviews so far the worst has made it to the screen.  But a lot of nicer moments haven't.

For several other teams their worst doesn't make the epsiode.



Facts  :lol3:

My point was that there was obviously a better flight available. I have absolutely no idea why you are talking about Dustin & Kandice doing tasks, it has nothing to do with it.

In Hong Kong they did what you think should be done.  THey checked internet and they put themselves on both waiting list.  It certainly isn't their fault that Charla & Mirna who never put themselves on the 2cd flights waiting list was allowed to use Oswald & Danny's booking to get on.  They actually you know behaved like polite individuals and didn't get into any ones face and tell the locals how to do their job.  Which can't be said for either Dustin & Kandice or Charla & Mirna.  Now sure perhaps if they made abig enough stink they might have fought enough to get on board.  But ideally they shouldn't have to.

No it is not their fault that Charla & Mirna were able to get on. HOWEVER, there is a defining moment in the episode in which Eric & Danielle decide to exchange money as opposed to actually checking in to their flight. The other two teams checked in for their stand-by (although Charla & Mirna technically were not on stand-by). That is their fault, no way denying it.

In fac the worst behavior they have shown to any local was Danielle begging to get on the connection.  They have fought very little with each other (again, I strongly suggest teams rewatch previous seasons to get an idea about teams that fight with each other).  Or hell even watch Charla & Mirna who have fought more often with each other and yelled more at each other.  Or yelled at and fought with other teams more.

That is not the worst behavior. Don't forget to include the "dirty pirate hooker" comments, the "queen" comments about the Guidos, the "you guys are pieces of sh*t", "I'm going to kick Danny and Ozzy's faces in". Let me re-iterate my first post: I said NOTHING about bickering between the two.

From what was shown, there were 3 dhows. Charla & Mirna were held up to wait for another team under the guise of bad weather, although Eric & Danielle were able to take a dhow alone. That's irrelevant to any point either of us are trying to make.

But look at the airport shuffle they do.  They were the ones who managed to snag through persistence the early flight in episode #3, they were the ones to first seek out the upstairs office in Leg 6 I think, and out of that group were the only team not to get out that later flight.

I've already mentioned airports, and the only reason they should be mentioned is Danielle's statements that they have bad airline luck. As I've mentioned 2 of the bad instances they were in (to Poland and to Hong Kong) were their fault.

And the fact that they have used the internet is relevant because...?

Ah, how quickly you overlook that Charla & Mirna get the leads they do because they work hard to get the flight which will give them a lead.

Dustin & Kandice who have raced the 2cd half of the race strong have three episodes in a row where they failed to follow the instructions fo the clues.

What is that about Dustin & Kandice failing to follow clues 3 episodes in a row? We're really reaching here. The point I'm trying to make is that Eric & Danielle are not an underdog team who have had to overcome the biggest obstacles. They may have had a few more obstacles, but they were always manageable and some were event preventable (airlines).

They have been hurt by 2 yields, a 30 minute penality and 3 cases of flight delays that were not their fault and were not risky flights that they gambled on knowing it was a risking flight.

2 yields, yes, although one is almost negligible because of the time necessary to prepare the jumpers of the Macau Tower. 30 minute penalty, yes, they ran that leg well. 2 cases of the flight delays were their fault, while the other one (to Tanzania) was not.

This is not about Oswald & Danny, stop comaring things to other teams. This is about Eric & Danielle's proclamation that they are the underdogs.

Yes, because I'm sure every other team has called another team pieces of sh*t, threatened physical violence against them, and made a slur about their sexuality.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 06, 2007, 02:18:44 PM
you might want to bold the parts you copied....it makes you look like you are having a conversation with yourself.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: puddin on May 06, 2007, 03:07:23 PM
lol, I gave up trying to figure out what thats right point is, like yesterday  :waves:
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: asamber1 on May 06, 2007, 04:21:36 PM
I don't think E/D ar a fake team simply because they nver raced together before. It was just a new combination, and both of them agreed to race together in the race instead of racing with their original partners. I would like to see them win because I think they deserve it after the bashing they've taken all season long.

Its "fake" because they were never dating.  Dont fool yourself they were never dating.  Danielle lives in Staten Island [thats new york!] Eric lives in Florida, there was never a move to NY by Eric.  If anything they were long distance or just "friends".  Secondly days after coming back from the race Danielle had a new boyfriend.  Thats why they are fake, its not a real realationship!  I would have no problem with a mixed team if it was actually a team.  The race casted them after many teams [Flo and Twin, Colin and Christie ect ect] all turned them down, the race looked at them as being the races "Rob and Amber" and it backfired completely.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: thats right on May 06, 2007, 04:24:46 PM
lol, I gave up trying to figure out what thats right point is, like yesterday  :waves:

 :hearts: Glad you aren't wasting any time. I probably couldn't have gotten through to you anyway!

Like I said before, I'm not going to comment on the relationship. The only people who can really judge that are the two of them themsevles.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: puddin on May 06, 2007, 04:35:20 PM
I don't think E/D ar a fake team simply because they nver raced together before. It was just a new combination, and both of them agreed to race together in the race instead of racing with their original partners. I would like to see them win because I think they deserve it after the bashing they've taken all season long.

Its "fake" because they were never dating.  Dont fool yourself they were never dating.  Danielle lives in Staten Island [thats new york!] Eric lives in Florida, there was never a move to NY by Eric.  If anything they were long distance or just "friends".  Secondly days after coming back from the race Danielle had a new boyfriend.  Thats why they are fake, its not a real realationship!  I would have no problem with a mixed team if it was actually a team.  The race casted them after many teams [Flo and Twin, Colin and Christie ect ect] all turned them down, the race looked at them as being the races "Rob and Amber" and it backfired completely.
You don't know what you are talking about asamber, really you are so clueless. Can you back up what you say? I know Papi can back me up and can safely say Eric & Dee were dating and at one point living together in Staten Island.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: mswood on May 06, 2007, 04:42:39 PM
thats right.

Okay just in case my speling or grammar is making it deficult to understand.

Bahavior.  All the behavior you quote is concerning other teams.  I am fairly sure that I said that Eric & Danielle haven't been rude to any locals (Random people on the street or locations they visit and all the various service industry that they use in various countries).

And that was in reference to the airport shuffle in Hong Kong where both of the other teams (Dustin & Kandice and Charla & Mirna) were in not only each other's space but also quite demanding of the ticket agent.

As for how another ticket agent placed Charla & Mirna as the 2cd team to board the 2cd flight, is Eric & Danielle fault.  How is this.  We do see them ask the agent if they are 2cd, so they do have some interaction withthe agent (and this is with all three teams at the ticket agent), we see them make use of other resources to try and get tickets (the internet) we see them get placed on the waiting list.  How is any of that wrong?  They cannot be held to account if the other agent places another team ahead of them.  And yes, they might have been able to prevent getting by passed by staying their at the counter, but what they did was the proper way of handling tickets.  Go check all the sources you have for info, find those flights avialable and make sure you get on the standby lists for each.  They did that, should they have suspected that Charla & Mirna who weren't on the waiting list (clips show that they know this), would be given tickets in advance of them?

In the flights and their connections to Warsaw, how again is this Eric & Danielle's fault.

It took over 4 hours and over 7 hours for three different teams to arrange flights.

The earlier flight at first only had enough for D&K and their crew, at least 4 hours later is when more seats cleared enough for C&M and O&D and their 4 crew men.  Eric & Danielle do check another travel agent who also says nothing is available, and they don't have 7 hours or even 4 to stay at the tavel agency's checking.  Nor is it logical to assume that just because room for 8 cleared that room for E&D and their crew was also available.  

You could have a legitimate point if anywhere in clips, screen analysis or the episode itself showed that if they stayed at that travel agency (as opposed to other one they did go to) that they could have gotten a flight.  The evidence doesn't support that assumption.  

As to the reason I mention teams (Charla & Mirna, Dustin & Kandice, and Oswald & Danny) is due to this being about why some people wuold or wouldn't root for certain teams.  Which I believe in your post you talk about ability, and thus wanted to compare that aspect to other racers still in it..

I mention several things.  One to show on an edit can effect a viewers perception of the race.  Clearly both Eric & Danielle aren't angels (won't here me say that), I again mentioned that had problems with three teams.  You mention that if most of hteir comments were negative about another team it would be easier to like them (which plays intot he edit, and again it isn't the majority of comments.  Mentioned that withthe footage that has been made avialable in one form or another that we see the worst of their behavior on the episodes and generally no onthe clips.

I used Oswald and Danny as an example of the reverse where we see a lot more of their good behavior then their negative.  Things like fighting with Teri & Ian, yelling the F word in a crowded airport, calling one of them a Son of a bitch (multiple times), insulting locals ability to speak a 2cd language and their primary language of Chinese (though on screen who do get tos ee them fight in three different episodes with each other, call a local a loser, and threaten to kill a cab driver three times (which in my opinion is worrse insulting a local then insulting another racer, but thats a personal belief).

I mention Dustin & Kandice's failure to follow the clue three times (Because those are errors they had complete control over, and yes they did occur), for comparison Eric & Danielle have apparently made on clue error (taking a cab to the detour, while Charla & Mirna made that same msitake twice).

I mention Charla and Mirna because they have shown distain to locals, service industry, specific people (Fat bitch), and been in direct verbal arguements with more racers, have more clips,and episode of fighting with each other and others then any team.

And out of those four teams I only dislike one of them.  Danny & Oswald are the reason I started watching the show in the first place, Dustin & Kandice are in my opinion the best female team, and (with a few minor issues with lying and not owning up to it) generally really like them.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: michael on May 06, 2007, 04:43:40 PM
who CARES if they are or aren't dating, 75% of the show viewers will never know that they broke up and will continue to think they got married.

some people hate people for such absurd reasons. coughcarmencough.
Title: Re: speculation on the finale
Post by: mswood on May 06, 2007, 04:50:53 PM
Its "fake" because they were never dating.  Dont fool yourself they were never dating.  Danielle lives in Staten Island [thats new york!] Eric lives in Florida, there was never a move to NY by Eric.  If anything they were long distance or just "friends".  Secondly days after coming back from the race Danielle had a new boyfriend.  Thats why they are fake, its not a real realationship!  I would have no problem with a mixed team if it was actually a team.  The race casted them after many teams [Flo and Twin, Colin and Christie ect ect] all turned them down, the race looked at them as being the races "Rob and Amber" and it backfired completely.

Actually that is factually false.

Long before All Stars was announced or teams were selected, we have knowledge of this team dating.  See interviews on the finish line at the end of season 9 (yeah know 2 seasons ago), also remember that season 11 wasn't originally scheduled as an allstar season, so they didn't have a long period of time to find out the show had interest in them as a team.

THey did in fact move in together in New York, it apparently didn't last long but it dd in fact happened.  Eric supposedily hated New York City, which surprsingly enough is even mentioned several times as a roadblock in the relationship progressing, since Danielle is doing school there and doesn't want to move and Eric again hated it there.

So we know he moved back to Florida.  This all happened long before being contacted about season 11.

The only question mark that fans might have is if they were still in any form of relationship.  That is the only factor, and frackly I don't think it was in any way a factor on getting htem int he race.  THey also approached others who had dated after the race and were no longer together.  So being together afterwards doesn't seem to be a factor ust that two people meet on the race and a new relationship started, no matter how successful or how long it lasted.

It is possible that they had never officially broken up and that they were just casually dating long distance.  On that issue we don't know.

But it really wasn't a factor (based on all the casting spoilers in what type of teams were being sought after).