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Title: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: georgiapeach on March 15, 2017, 06:22:20 AM
Biography

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2029/CbS%20Press/Brooke.jpg)
 
Age: 36
Hometown: Lynbrook, N.Y.
Current occupation: Director of Business Development at U.S. Legal Support and Attorney at Camhi & Min.

Describe what you do: I sell litigation support services to attorney clients and I am a criminal defense attorney at my law firm.

3 words to describe you: Competitive, witty and trustworthy.

Favorite hobbies: Swimming, singing, cooking, scuba diving and puzzles.

What is the accomplishment you are most proud of? I am most proud of passing the bar exam in two states on the first try.

What scares you most about traveling? Language barriers and getting lost scare me. My sense of direction isn't great (so I plan to ask for help from a lot of locals), but my high school Spanish skills can only take me so far in most countries.

What excites you most about traveling? Everything! I can't wait to see other cultures and different ways of life. I want to experience local customs and traditions, and I'm excited to see so much so quickly. I have loved this show from the moment I saw the first episode and every year I say, "I could do that". I am excited to see if I actually can.

What qualities do you hope your partner has? I hope my partner loves this game as much as I do and wants to win it just as badly. I also hope it's a guy who has brute strength because I have a feeling he's going to have to carry my backpack part of the way. I hope he has a similar sense of humor to me and that we can laugh our way around the world (although there will probably be a fair amount of yelling and crying too).

What qualities will be hard for you to put up with in a partner? I would be crushed to have a partner who isn't willing to work as a team or who isn't supportive when we are struggling. I feel like I can be a great cheerleader when someone is working through a hard task and I hope I get the same from my partner.

What do you think will be the biggest challenge you and your teammate face? If my partner and I are both super Type A we may battle for control. However, if my partner is completely laid back, I will have to stop myself from badgering them to keep up or make a decision.

What country and place would you most like to visit and why? I'd either like to dive with sharks in South Africa, safari in Africa, or see Greece since my family is from that part of the world.

What do you hope to accomplish by running The Race (other than winning one million bucks)? I want to see the world. My passport has too many blank pages and I am hoping to fix that with this experience.

Follow on Twitter and Instagram: @therealbcamhi
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: georgiapeach on March 15, 2017, 06:22:35 AM
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Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: RealityFreakWill on March 15, 2017, 10:00:13 AM
Meet Brooke Camhi From The Amazing Race Season 29

Watch New York City attorney Brooke Camhi talk about her bucket list, what kind of partner she's looking to be paired up with, and how being cast on the show's a dream come true.

https://www.youtube.com/v/q1GmObuDquU
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Platrium on April 21, 2017, 10:34:53 AM
Her attitude during the race is something one would not expect to come from an attorney. :lol: I'd prefer her complaining less. I also like her quotes this season.  :hoot:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Marionete on April 21, 2017, 04:26:29 PM
Flo & Hayley vibes <3
Love ♥
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Keepcopz on April 22, 2017, 06:46:54 AM
QUEEN

Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Theo on April 28, 2017, 08:06:18 PM
<3 goddess <3
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: BourkieBoy on April 28, 2017, 10:02:15 PM
She is so ANNOYING!!!

Just imagine Flo and her together  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 28, 2017, 11:08:21 PM
Flo & Brooke would have been  the most iconic all female team ever and thats the truth tea
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Marionete on April 29, 2017, 03:15:09 AM
Lmao where did they find her :funny:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: redskevin88 on April 29, 2017, 03:50:31 AM
Lmao where did they find her :funny:

That is the problem when you recruit people for your show.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on April 29, 2017, 03:58:17 AM
Lmao where did they find her :funny:

That is the problem when you recruit people for your show.

She's not a recruit?????

She and Scott have mentioned being superfans in the Secret Scenes.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Marionete on April 29, 2017, 08:54:51 AM
Lmao where did they find her :funny:

That is the problem when you recruit people for your show.
I see no problem whatsoever, it's glorious that Brooke was cast! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: TARUSAFan on April 30, 2017, 02:17:36 PM
She's tv gold. I like her!
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: cbacbacba1 on May 02, 2017, 08:21:06 PM
All I remember for Brooke is she yelling 'I can't ' OK almost at everything she encountered
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: georgiapeach on May 03, 2017, 04:35:42 PM
All I remember for Brooke is she yelling 'I can't ' OK almost at everything she encountered

And then gets it done with style! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Theo on May 06, 2017, 09:25:51 PM
Brooke <3
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 06, 2017, 09:45:04 PM
Brooke <3
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Marionete on May 07, 2017, 08:41:33 AM
Complain and get it done!
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 07, 2017, 09:03:35 AM
Flo Pesenti being reincarnated 26 seasons later <3
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Marionete on May 13, 2017, 05:56:13 AM
She delivers at least 3 title quotes each episode <3
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 13, 2017, 09:48:39 PM
The best casting decision in YEARS.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Marionete on May 14, 2017, 07:31:32 AM
The best casting decision in YEARS.
Let's make this a thread of us two taking turns in giving Brooke random compliments. :lol: <3
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Theo on May 15, 2017, 06:13:04 AM
can't wait for brooke channeling her inner flo pesenti in vietnam <3
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: BourkieBoy on May 15, 2017, 05:17:17 PM
can't wait for brooke channeling her inner flo pesenti in vietnam <3

It's gunna be SOOOOOO good to watch! I hope flo is watching!
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Theo on May 18, 2017, 10:06:36 PM
brooke does not disappoint <3
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 19, 2017, 03:44:35 AM
Seeing people voice their outrage on Brooke - why do people love to get off on making threats of violence towards her, it's JUST Reality TV?? :res:

Like I know it's normal for casuals to get pissed off on the smallest thing but I see actual wishes of death or injury or threats of violence directed to her on pages and it's really just not right??? :res:

I hope she sues every single one of those morons as she laughs her way to the win :)
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: elthemagnifico on May 19, 2017, 01:46:23 PM
Brooke vs People of Hanoi... :lol:

Brooke randomly yelled in the crowding residence and slammed the taxi driver seat :lol: <3
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: cbacbacba1 on May 20, 2017, 01:43:52 AM
Most entertaining player of the season  :funny:
Never fail to entertain us the viewers  :funny:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: cbacbacba1 on May 26, 2017, 01:37:59 AM
Love to Brooke for her exceling the Cup stacking RB :conf:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: BourkieBoy on May 26, 2017, 01:42:54 AM
Please dont let her and Scott win...
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 26, 2017, 01:56:23 AM
PLEASE let her and Scott win...
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 26, 2017, 01:57:26 AM
SNATCHING UP FIRST PLACE AFTER NOT WHINING ALL LEG <3333333

SHE IS WINNING!  :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Kamineko on May 26, 2017, 02:09:52 AM
Please dont let her and Scott win...

Somehow I think that you're asking for something that already happened in the past (regardless on whoever winning) to change. Just saying, no offense. :<3
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: TARUSAFan on May 26, 2017, 02:37:49 AM
Slay the Final Leg Brooke!
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 26, 2017, 04:10:51 AM
Slay the Final Leg Brooke!
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Prama on May 26, 2017, 07:18:16 AM
go get that million dollar babe <3333
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: elthemagnifico on May 26, 2017, 08:17:15 AM
go get that million dollar babe <3333

Actually $500000 each but who cares <333

Killed them queen, not literal kill ..
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Theo on May 26, 2017, 09:12:10 AM
either brooke & scott or lolo winning this season will heal my wound over sheri & cole not winning last year
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: cbacbacba1 on May 26, 2017, 09:29:18 AM
Please win  :hoot:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Marionete on May 26, 2017, 04:38:37 PM
BURN ALL THE HATERS WITH YOUR MONEY FUEL
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Platrium on May 27, 2017, 01:19:02 AM
Love to Brooke for her exceling the Cup stacking RB :conf:

She was confident about it! "I can do it!" :conf:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 27, 2017, 02:27:23 AM
BURN ALL THE HATERS WITH YOUR MONEY FUEL
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: elthemagnifico on May 27, 2017, 06:42:32 AM
Brooke/Scott last leg remind me of Logan/Chris back in S7, bickered and struggled in almost every leg, amd became bottomgod/goddeess somehow won in penultimate leg :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: TARUSAFan on May 27, 2017, 12:12:43 PM
One of the best Amazing Race Philosophies I've heard came from Brooke. Aspiring Amazing Racers should remember the saying "Pain is temporary, elimination is forever." (Camhi, 2016)
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on May 27, 2017, 08:12:02 PM
One of the best Amazing Race Philosophies I've heard came from Brooke. Aspiring Amazing Racers should remember the saying "Pain is temporary, elimination is forever." (Camhi, 2016)

The biggest crime of the season? Brooke not getting any title quotes. :(
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Kamineko on May 27, 2017, 11:47:10 PM
One of the best Amazing Race Philosophies I've heard came from Brooke. Aspiring Amazing Racers should remember the saying "Pain is temporary, elimination is forever." (Camhi, 2016)

The biggest crime of the season? Brooke not getting any title quotes. :(

We still have the final title quote right? *fingers crossed
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: TARUSAFan on May 28, 2017, 02:16:12 AM
One of the best Amazing Race Philosophies I've heard came from Brooke. Aspiring Amazing Racers should remember the saying "Pain is temporary, elimination is forever." (Camhi, 2016)

The biggest crime of the season? Brooke not getting any title quotes. :(

We still have the final title quote right? *fingers crossed

I bet she'll say more episode title worth-quotes in the Finale. :conf:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: TARUSAFan on June 01, 2017, 10:39:57 PM
Queen  :conf:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: elthemagnifico on June 01, 2017, 10:46:53 PM
Queen  :conf:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: BourkieBoy on June 02, 2017, 01:07:47 AM
My worst nightmare has been confirmed...  :groan:  :dick :chute:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on June 02, 2017, 01:17:12 AM
Queen  :conf:

Congratulations to Queen Brooke for proving the haters wrong and surpassing all the odds! :conf:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Kamineko on June 02, 2017, 01:38:01 AM
Queen  :conf:

Congratulations to Queen Brooke for proving the haters wrong and surpassing all the odds! :conf:

Congrats Brooke! :conf:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on June 02, 2017, 02:42:31 AM
Fun Fact: She is the THIRD OLDEST woman to win the Race after Kim and Joyce! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: claude_24hrs on June 02, 2017, 04:02:52 AM
Fun Fact: She is the THIRD OLDEST woman to win the Race after Kim and Joyce! :lol:

At the time of filming last year, Brooke was 36. So that she is 37 today.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: TARUSAFan on June 02, 2017, 08:13:17 AM
Expectation:
Slay the Final Leg Brooke!

Reality:      They won!


Therefore:

BURN ALL THE HATERS WITH YOUR MONEY FUEL
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Marionete on June 02, 2017, 09:04:59 AM
She's even more fun to watch than Flo!

Best thing is, she complained/moaned/cried/screamed throughout the finale all the while getting **** done :lol:

What a strange (winner's) edit actually. After Dana and now Brooke, there won't be any way to predict winners edit-wise. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Platrium on June 02, 2017, 12:53:30 PM
One of the best Amazing Race Philosophies I've heard came from Brooke. Aspiring Amazing Racers should remember the saying "Pain is temporary, elimination is forever." (Camhi, 2016)

Best quote of the season! :hrt:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: georgiapeach on June 02, 2017, 04:31:45 PM
Fun Fact: She is the THIRD OLDEST woman to win the Race after Kim and Joyce! :lol:

I don't think that is right. We had GrandMother/grandaughter team, Cathi Alden. Others too...
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: redwings8831 on June 02, 2017, 04:34:37 PM
Fun Fact: She is the THIRD OLDEST woman to win the Race after Kim and Joyce! :lol:

I don't think that is right. We had GrandMother/grandaughter team, Cathi Alden. Others too...

They didn't win though.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: georgiapeach on June 02, 2017, 04:36:13 PM
Oh got it..thanks!!
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: cbacbacba1 on June 02, 2017, 08:55:05 PM
Can TPTB got Brooke & Scoot again for all-star  :-X
They clearly are the stars that we have been desperate for few seasons  :conf:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on June 03, 2017, 07:51:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/lRLwUS91Nco

Brooke had back surgery before the Race :o
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: elthemagnifico on June 03, 2017, 08:04:17 PM
Can TPTB got Brooke & Scoot again for all-star  :-X
They clearly are the stars that we have been desperate for few seasons  :conf:

I wish  :conf: but  since they have won and WRP want to avoid the controversial cast for All Star (remember Uchenna and Joyce in TAR 11), i think they wouldn't be invited again for All Star... :(
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on June 03, 2017, 11:04:21 PM
Post-finale interview with Brooke!
https://www.youtube.com/v/vP5Z_6hL3Is
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: ghmorello on June 07, 2017, 01:17:17 PM
Brooke will be having an AMA on The Amazing Race Sub on Reddit on June 14th at 6 PM ET.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Declive on June 07, 2017, 05:12:18 PM
Brooke is 36. I'm shocked.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on June 07, 2017, 05:32:48 PM
Can TPTB got Brooke & Scoot again for all-star  :-X
They clearly are the stars that we have been desperate for few seasons  :conf:

I wish  :conf: but  since they have won and WRP want to avoid the controversial cast for All Star (remember Uchenna and Joyce in TAR 11), i think they wouldn't be invited again for All Star... :(

If they tried to get Flo, anything is possible.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: georgiapeach on June 07, 2017, 06:39:05 PM
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-brooke-camhi-talks-the-amazing-race-you-cant-prepare-yourself-feel-elation-depression-and-back-again-22140.php
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: georgiapeach on June 08, 2017, 07:22:43 PM
Part 2!

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-brooke-camhi-talks-the-amazing-race-i-was-never-going-quit-but-season-was-difficult-watch-22151.php
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Maanca on June 08, 2017, 07:37:17 PM
I'm sure she's great at what she does, but after the edit through the season, it's hard to see her as a defense attorney (the person representing the accused). They can't be like "your honor, the peoples' defense is too solid. I can't do this"
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on June 08, 2017, 08:00:11 PM
Very very interesting that 1/2 of #TheLegalTeam got her on!

Thank you Jelani <3
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: TARUSAFan on June 08, 2017, 11:47:47 PM
It makes perfect sense, a lawyer, helping out another lawyer. The reads were amazing, Brooke & Scott really strategized and played very well.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: ghmorello on June 14, 2017, 05:05:26 PM
Brooke's AMA is live on /r/TheAmazingRace.  You must have a Reddit account to ask your question(s).
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on June 15, 2017, 06:28:28 PM
Per Brooke's AMA:

-The entire task at Wrigleyvilles Dogs was edited out. Teams had to make the 10 hotdogs and there were many many toppings we had to get right.
-She applied in 2004 with a sorority sister (imagine her on TAR6/7?), 2011 with her brother (TAR19/20), a friend in 2015 (TAR28), and individual this year.
-Brooke had back surgery before the Race. 3 herniated discs and stenosis so she got a micro discectomy and a laminotomy 6 months before filming!
-They CONVINCED Tara & Joey and London & Logan to not gate-check their bags in the finale and then boarded the plane last to not make it obvious.
-Brooke had a notebook for everything (I was right about that in Vietnam! :lol:) "I had notes on every greeter, what Phil said to us at each mat, where everyone else finished, who did what task for each team... you name it, I wrote it down."
-The cast met each other in sequester and finals but were NOT allowed to communicate until the Race started.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Maanca on June 15, 2017, 06:44:16 PM
So they did cut out what would have been the actually challenging part of this finale, actually making Chicago hotdogs. Lame.

It was a pretty packed hour, but I thought the speedway got more airtime than it needed.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: gamerfan09 on June 15, 2017, 08:05:12 PM
So they did cut out what would have been the actually challenging part of this finale, actually making Chicago hotdogs. Lame.

It was a pretty packed hour, but I thought the speedway got more airtime than it needed.

And with the hotdogs actually becoming a task, it would have made the finale feel more full as well :(

Very missed opportunity.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Palperro on June 15, 2017, 09:55:10 PM
Per Brooke's AMA:

-The entire task at Wrigleyvilles Dogs was edited out. Teams had to make the 10 hotdogs and there were many many toppings we had to get right.
-She applied in 2004 with a sorority sister (imagine her on TAR6/7?), 2011 with her brother (TAR19/20), a friend in 2015 (TAR28), and individual this year.
-Brooke had back surgery before the Race. 3 herniated discs and stenosis so she got a micro discectomy and a laminotomy 6 months before filming!
-They CONVINCED Tara & Joey and London & Logan to not gate-check their bags in the finale and then boarded the plane last to not make it obvious.
-Brooke had a notebook for everything (I was right about that in Vietnam! :lol:) "I had notes on every greeter, what Phil said to us at each mat, where everyone else finished, who did what task for each team... you name it, I wrote it down."
-The cast met each other in sequester and finals but were NOT allowed to communicate until the Race started.

She's definitely a lawyer. :lol:

I think she's a lot better of a racer than some people give her credit for, especially in terms of planning and smart decisions.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: TARUSAFan on June 16, 2017, 09:00:55 PM
So that explains the sightings of them creating hot dogs, they should have shown it, we could have seen more of the teams, especially Brooke. Interesting to know that Brooke applied in S.6 with a sorority sister, we still have yet to see a team of sorority sisters.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: TARUSAFan on June 17, 2017, 08:42:11 AM
Scott & Brooke for All Stars!
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Dånooky on June 21, 2017, 06:38:32 PM
I think the editors cut out the hot dog task, because at that point it didn't make any difference in the competition
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Platrium on June 22, 2017, 07:03:28 AM
I think the editors cut out the hot dog task, because at that point it didn't make any difference in the competition

Same though. However, they could've shown a small portion of the 1st team doing it shortly.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Genius on June 24, 2017, 11:06:14 AM
Rooted for her and Scott this season. Though she whined, she got things done. I just wished that the editors showed more of her accomplishments.

Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: TARUSAFan on June 20, 2018, 07:39:25 PM
Hi Brooke and welcome to RFF. So happy you're here. Rooted for you in your season.
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: BourkieBoy on June 20, 2018, 07:40:47 PM
Hello Brooke! :waves:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Maanca on June 20, 2018, 07:41:54 PM
I also say Hello to Brooke, realizing she's on this board :D
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: cbacbacba1 on June 20, 2018, 08:15:02 PM
They should have invited you and Blair back together on this season  :conf:
A couple each being on the two experimental seasons of TAR will greatly fit the theme of reality clash  :cheer:
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: Theo on June 20, 2018, 10:56:45 PM
Petition to have Brooke/Hayley/Blair as the first ever 3-member team for All Stars <3
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: cbacbacba1 on June 21, 2018, 01:34:12 AM
Petition to have Brooke/Hayley/Blair as the first ever 3-member team for All Stars <3
May we have Scott & Hayley + Blair & Brooke  :-[
Title: Re: TAR 29: Brooke Camhi
Post by: NELs on June 21, 2018, 08:59:28 AM
Petition to have Brooke/Hayley/Blair as the first ever 3-member team for All Stars <3
May we have Scott & Hayley + Blair & Brooke  :-[

Flo and Brooke is the better combination.