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Archive => RFF Archived Boards => The Amazing Race 13 Spoilers/Speculation => Topic started by: puddin on August 22, 2008, 04:48:14 PM
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Let split this off into its own thread so we can speculate ..
BVM interview: (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/07/amazing-race.html)
• The youngest team is a tandem of two guys in their early 20s. “They’re made for television,” Van Munster says. “They’re supersmart — and they make terrible mistakes.”
AP article: (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/07/amazing-race.html)
Van Munster, who is currently scouting locations in Asia for the 14th season, promised the 13th season will include a series of firsts for the reality competition, including a mistake that ultimately prohibited one team from joining their fellow racers at the finish line, as well as a memorable first-ever stop for "The Amazing Race" in Cambodia.
CBS About: (http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race/about/)
The 13th installment of THE AMAZING RACE will feature a variety of firsts, including: Teams traveling to a real-life water world where its inhabitants live upon a floating city; first time visits for the Race to locations such as Cambodia and Kazakhstan; and one Team makes an unprecedented mistake on the road that ultimately prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line.
ok, party's over - unwinding here! just remembered that i saw phil on NBC Extra yesterday being interviewing in his home office - just briefly - but i do remember one significant thing he said which i don't think has been mentioned here before - he said " one team lost some important documentation and some valuables that was ultimately detrimental to their situation in the race, not good not good at all", and then "we make sure everybody gets home safe and sound".
so i'm not so sure about the portland mixup scenario anymore, seems like one team lost (left somewhere or had it stolen) their fanny pack with all their clues and their passports + credit card etc and that's why they don't make it to the final 3.
finally a good quote "New places and new faces make for Amazing Races"!!
I do have this clip on my DVR but not sure how complicated it would be to get it online from there...
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that is so vauge!
it can be something completley random like: One team who has already been eliminated gets arrested and cant cheer for the f3.... doubtful lol, so Ill go with -- a guido type error where they fall so far behind that they dont even make it to the finish mat.
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Maybe they have a car accident in a country where circumstances of seriousness and fault might lead to mandatory jail time!
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Maybe they have a car accident in a country where circumstances of seriousness and fault might lead to mandatory jail time!
jinx
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a guido type error has happened before though, my first thought was that it was a team in the final 3 but now I really don't know what to make of it? cheating at something, breaking a rule, and getting caught and getting thrown out?
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I remember like for one instance the dude that flew with the teams to India wrote that a couple asked him for his travel book and when asked why they said they were on a ..
well here, is this something that TPTB would frown on? just thinking ;
On the flight I met the cast and crew of next falls "Amazing Race." You give one couple your guidebook after being told that they and the camera crew are filming a travel documentary. One cameraman says it' s just a pilot and will probably come out on Discovery Channel. But when you go to hand your book to the gentleman and you ask him more about what the specific theme or title of the documentary is, he responds by putting on a cautious and direct face then points at a small black travel bag with orange and yellow stripes down the middle. I shrug my shoulders saying, "i don't know what that is." He then discreetly opens the top zipper and pulls out a black and yellow ticket just enough for me to make out the large bold letters that spell "Race" and I got it. He shook his head knowingly and we winked at each other and I returned to my seat. It all made sense then
http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/sonicbridges/1/1210064700/tpod.html
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:angel: Just taking the words at face value "makes an unprecedented mistake on the road that ultimately prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line", can mean that a non-eliminated team made a mistake, got eliminated, and couldn't even get back to greet the winners at the finish line (in Portland). Or maybe not. :duno: Or BVM is playing with words...AGAIN! :pull
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I say the Communists ate them.
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I posted this in the speculation thread .. just adding more to my theory that the team that made the mistake maybe Superbad but I hope not, I like them.
sightings in Portland (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15372.msg301507.html#msg301507)
I always thought the time of day that Superbad was spotted was odd compared to the other team sightings. Noon to 4 ish for most other teams as noted by eye witnesses
I'm pleased to report that I saw a male-male team in downtown Portland
this evening (peach: that would be 5/14) at about 6:00 local time. A cameraman and a sound man
were following them.
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Could it be that someone goes to the wrong Portland? (Maine instead of Oregon)
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There are a few Portlands in the US. That's a good guess that they went to Maine instead of Oregon.
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That would be so wrong! lol
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But so funny!
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I have looked at this for quite a while now; the conclusion I draw is that van Munster has created a mountain out of a molehole. There are 11 teams that are due to show up for the Finish Line. Only 3 of them are still competing. I see a 8/11 = 73% probability that the only impact of this unprecedented mistake is that one of the already-eliminated teams is not present at the Finish Line. There is a 27% chance that one of the three Finalist teams is impacted, which would have the result of being only two teams able to compete for the Finish Line.
So, I think this is a classic misdirect play by van Munster.
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I have looked at this for quite a while now; the conclusion I draw is that van Munster has created a mountain out of a molehole. There are 11 teams that are due to show up for the Finish Line. Only 3 of them are still competing. I see a 8/11 = 73% probability that the only impact of this unprecedented mistake is that one of the already-eliminated teams is not present at the Finish Line. There is a 27% chance that one of the three Finalist teams is impacted, which would have the result of being only two teams able to compete for the Finish Line.
So, I think this is a classic misdirect play by van Munster.
I can't agree with you apskip. All of the sequestered teams are kept together and led by the nose to wherever they have to go and whatever they have to do. No free loaders here. Even the last several eliminated teams are kept under wraps by production people (what the heck are interns for anyway). So I think it is a 100% probability that all eight eliminated teams will be brought screaming, lock, stock and barrel to the final mat in Portland.
The idea that one team gets a plane from Frankfurt to Portland Maine (via Boston) is a very real possibility and would be a real, old fashioned, hoot.
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I posted this in the speculation thread .. just adding more to my theory that the team that made the mistake maybe Superbad but I hope not, I like them.
sightings in Portland (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15372.msg301507.html#msg301507)
I always thought the time of day that Superbad was spotted was odd compared to the other team sightings. Noon to 4 ish for most other teams as noted by eye witnesses
I'm pleased to report that I saw a male-male team in downtown Portland
this evening (peach: that would be 5/14) at about 6:00 local time. A cameraman and a sound man
were following them.
Spotting one team and cameracrew late in the day (6:00PM) might very well be the team who went to Portland, ME first, and then retreated to Boston and caught a late plane to Portland, OR. With a three hour time difference between the two Portlands, this is really possible and would account for one team being spotted so late in the day.
Anyway, its food for thought.
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I did a Travelocity check of flights from Moscow to Portland, Maine, leaving on a Wednesday and it looks like a lead team could catch a very early 5:40 am flight from Moscow's DME to Munich to Chicago to Portland Maine, arriving at 4:26 pm.
Since that would not give them time to get to the other Portland by 6:00 pm I looked into the chance that they could have discovered their error while waiting at Munich. They would get to Munich at 6:55 am, their flight to Chicago would leave at 9:00 am giving them plenty of time to research the clue in hand and determine their error. (isn't this fun Gman! kinda like the extra vehicle we saw in TAR8) In their Deutsch-downtime they would scramble to catch a flight to Portland, Oregon.
And guess what? Travelocity says they could do this: Keep taking that flight to Chicago leaving at 9:00 am and arriving ORD at 11:40 am. From there they can take United 929 leaving ORD at 3:25 pm and arriving in Portland PDX at 5:41 pm. :yess:
Too bad they arrive at ORD a little too late to catch UA 581 leaving at 11:55 am and arriving PDX at 2:14 pm.
So. It's Possible! :funny:
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Chateau,
Of course teams should have been headed for Frankfurt to catch the nonstop flight to Portland OR. There is no nonstop flight from Munich to Portland. If a team mistakenly went from Moscow to Munich, they would not be able to catch up with LH468 out of Frankfurt. The standard alternative for them to reach Portland OR is:
Air Berlin 6026 Departs: 9:55a from MUC Arrives: 11:10a Düsseldorf (DUS)
[ Layover in Dusseldorf, Germany (DUS) for 1h 50m ]
LTU International 1582 Departs: 1:00p from DUS Arrives: 2:05p Vancouver Intl (YVR)
[ Layover in Vancouver, BC, Canada (YVR) for 2h 45m ]
United 8225 Departs: 4:50p YVR Arrives: 6:05p Portland (PDX)
Your route through Chicago-O'Hare is even better, as it gets them in 12 minutes earlier(if on time):
LH434 dep. MUC 0900 arr. ORD 1140
UA 929 dep. ORD 1530 arr. PDX 1753
It is possible that a travel agent screwed it up for whichever team is affected and booked them flights to the wrong Portland.
There are no nonstop flights from Munich to Boston arriving before the evening. There is one from Frankfurt:
LH422 dep. FRA 1225 arr. BOS 1430
At this point it would be easier to rent a car and drive 2 1/4 hours to Portland ME, but Amazing Race rules do not allow it unless a team is getting a Guido exit. Flying from Boston to Portland is one of those "you can't get there form here" situations as there are no nonstops in the right time frame. Leaving after 3pm there is no combination of flights that gets anyone to Portland ME until 11pm at the earliest.
If a team made the mistake and discovered it in Boston airport, then there is a nonstop Alaska Airlines 31 dep. BOS 1635 arr. PDX 2005.
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Could it be that someone goes to the wrong Portland? (Maine instead of Oregon)
Interesting :sucks
Entertainment Weekly scan Fall preview~
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/scan.jpg)
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Could it be that someone goes to the wrong Portland? (Maine instead of Oregon)
This would be one of the all-time greatest blunders in reality television history...It would make tremendous television and make Superbad worldwide stars...Too make it worse, it would be wonderful if they had a significant lead heading into the final leg....
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Scuznek, in the entire history of the Amazing Race no team has ever had a significant lead over the second place team going into the final leg in a single leg Finale as teams are bunched to guarantee a nearly equal start by WRP policy. In some double leg Finales, there was a lead that evaporated when the bunching happened to equalize the start of what could bge considered the latter leg. Reichen and Chip in AR4 had the best lead, maybe one hour in Hawaii, which gave them an edge after they landed in Phoenix.
So, a significant lead heading into the final leg is highly improbable. We know that at least 2 teams get onto the plane in Moscow to fly to Frankfurt and then on to Portland OR, so I would say that it's a sure thing.
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Oh, don't get me wrong...I realize a significant lead going into the final leg is virtually impossible..I was just commenting on the fact that it would make the supposed blunder that much more "blunder-ific" (New Word Alert!!)...
And with all the evidence that all of the wonderful folks here have surmised and investigated, it will not be the case, but, it would be positively nail-bitting television, especially if you are fans of Superbad...
I know the TAR has done a great job of making sure a Reichen/Chip lead going to the finish line is almost never going to happen again...It would totally suck to have travelled around the world and not be able to cross the finish line...
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That has happened 6 times that I remember:
1. Gary and Dave in that same AR4 went south 1500 miles to Sydney instead of in the correct direction north(before turning east in Japan (I took the Reichen/Chip and Jon/Kelly route to return from Cairns 17 months ago).
2. The famous Alaska scene in AR1 when Joe/Bill were 24 hours behind the 2 leaders.
3. Lyn/Karlyn in AR10 could not get on the best plane first from Paris to New York and had to go via Newark maybe 90 minutes behind.
4. In AR6 Adam and Rebecca got to Chicago maybe 90 minutes behind the other 2 teams.
5. In AR7 Ron and Kelly nmade the single wrong turn near the San Juan International Airport and got to the Miami area about 90 minutes behind.
6. Ray and Yolanda were an unknown amount (but mabye an hour) behind at Red Rocks Amphitheatre.
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1. Gary and Dave in that same AR4 went south 1500 miles to Sydney instead of in the correct direction north(before turning east in Japan (I took the Reichen/Chip and Jon/Kelly route to return from Cairns 17 months ago).
Ahem ;), David & Jeff
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1. Gary and Dave in that same AR4 went south 1500 miles to Sydney instead of in the correct direction north(before turning east in Japan (I took the Reichen/Chip and Jon/Kelly route to return from Cairns 17 months ago).
Ahem ;), David & Jeff
Ahem ;), Team Who!
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That has happened 6 times that I remember:
1. Gary and Dave in that same AR4 went south 1500 miles to Sydney instead of in the correct direction north(before turning east in Japan (I took the Reichen/Chip and Jon/Kelly route to return from Cairns 17 months ago).
2. The famous Alaska scene in AR1 when Joe/Bill were 24 hours behind the 2 leaders.
3. Lyn/Karlyn in AR10 could not get on the best plane first from Paris to New York and had to go via Newark maybe 90 minutes behind.
4. In AR6 Adam and Rebecca got to Chicago maybe 90 minutes behind the other 2 teams.
5. In AR7 Ron and Kelly nmade the single wrong turn near the San Juan International Airport and got to the Miami area about 90 minutes behind.
6. Ray and Yolanda were an unknown amount (but mabye an hour) behind at Red Rocks Amphitheatre.
Didn't Chip/Kim get a big lead heading into Dallas due to the (awesome) fog delay?
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1. Gary and Dave in that same AR4 went south 1500 miles to Sydney instead of in the correct direction north(before turning east in Japan (I took the Reichen/Chip and Jon/Kelly route to return from Cairns 17 months ago).
Ahem ;), David & Jeff
Ahem ;), Team Who!
the goats ;)
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That has happened 6 times that I remember:
1. Gary and Dave in that same AR4 went south 1500 miles to Sydney instead of in the correct direction north(before turning east in Japan (I took the Reichen/Chip and Jon/Kelly route to return from Cairns 17 months ago).
2. The famous Alaska scene in AR1 when Joe/Bill were 24 hours behind the 2 leaders.
3. Lyn/Karlyn in AR10 could not get on the best plane first from Paris to New York and had to go via Newark maybe 90 minutes behind.
4. In AR6 Adam and Rebecca got to Chicago maybe 90 minutes behind the other 2 teams.
5. In AR7 Ron and Kelly made the single wrong turn near the San Juan International Airport and got to the Miami area about 90 minutes behind.
6. Ray and Yolanda were an unknown amount (but mabye an hour) behind at Red Rocks Amphitheatre.
Didn't Chip/Kim get a big lead heading into Dallas due to the (awesome) fog delay?
zachattack308, all AR5 finalists were on the same plane to Denver leaving Calgary. It was only at Denver that checking their bags actually prevented Colin/Christie and Nicole/Brandon from getting onto the United flight that Chip and Kim were on to DFW; they had to wait for the American Airliens departure. It was only 18 minutes out of DFW that Chip and Kim had over Colin and Christie and maybe 10 minutes more over Nicole and Brandon.
However, the question was what the relative position of the teams at the start of that leg in the Phillipines. It was about 30 minutes and bunched to 0 as soon as teams hit the airport. None of those time differences are "significant" in my judgment.
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I have watched every single season, every single episode and still all of you folks make me feel like "The Amazing Race" Virgin with all of the knowledge that you can delve into at a moments notice.
I bow to your greatness.
:jam: :jam: :jam: :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy:
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And just for the record on Colin & Christie in Dallas, they have claimed that they more than made up for that 18 min (or whatever it was) flight difference by using a pre-arranged driver named "Earl". The ultimate piece of bad luck that brought them down was yet another flat tire in Dallas (unaired). Earl was fast and their completion of the maze task was fast.
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They kind of deserved it having Earl drive in the breakdown lane. :lol: :lol:
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They kind of deserved it having Earl drive in the breakdown lane. :lol: :lol:
noby messes with earl :sucks
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Except the flat tire genie. It was pretty clear that Earl lives a high-risk life on the road and sometimes he gets burned. However, Colin and Christie had no alternative. They were going to lose for sure if they did not take major risks, which Earl shared.
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So far there hasn't been a very large seperation between the first and 2nd team when leaving the Pit Stop to start the final leg. OUt of the US 2 person team seasons it has gone from:
0 Minute: Blake & Paige and Tara & Wil
1 Minute: Ron & Kelly and Rob & Amber
2 Minutes: BJ & Tyler and Eric & Jeremy
17 Minutes: Teri & Ian and Ken & Gerard
24 Minutes: Brandon & Nicole and Chip & Kim
27 Minutes: David & Jeff and Reichen & Chip
35 Minutes: Rob & Kimberly and Lyn & Karlynn
43 Minutes: Ronald & Christina and Tk & Rachel
46 Minutes: Rob & Brennan and Frank & Margarita
1 Hour and 2 Minutes: Dustin & Kandice and Eric & Danielle
and the largest time separation has been
1 Hour and 19 Minutes: Kris & Jon and Freddy & Kendra
Now the is time separation at the start of the leg. It is possible that the final leg could have several task in one city before traveling to the final destination and giving a team time to build up a larger lead.
And it certainly would be funny to see a team make such a dumb move.
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Some team going to the wrong Portland would be an unprecendented mistake for sure! Still, there have been two teams that finished third but weren't able to get to the Finish Line in time: Team Guido (thanks to falling so far behind in Asia), and Dave & Jeff (who took a risky flight -- I think it was to Sydney -- and couldn't get to Hawaii until the others were already on their way to Arizona, at least). In any case, going to the wrong Portland and finding out while they're on their way there is as good an "unprecedented mistake" as any.
Belle Book
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So there you have it, thanks BVM interview posted here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17604.msg352800.html#msg352800).
In addition, the season also happened to play out as one of the few The Amazing Race editions in which one of the competing teams failed to make it to the course's finish line -- an unexpected development that was welcomed by van Munster.
"I like it when people don't make it to the finish line," he said.
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So.....that probably means Andrew/Dan make it to the F3 since he also said that those two "make terrible mistakes".
So that leaves only one more unknown team in the F3.
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Now this makes sense, thanks sunnyca
ok, party's over - unwinding here! just remembered that i saw phil on NBC Extra yesterday being interviewing in his home office - just briefly - but i do remember one significant thing he said which i don't think has been mentioned here before - he said " one team lost some important documentation and some valuables that was ultimately detrimental to their situation in the race, not good not good at all", and then "we make sure everybody gets home safe and sound".
so i'm not so sure about the portland mixup scenario anymore, seems like one team lost (left somewhere or had it stolen) their fanny pack with all their clues and their passports + credit card etc and that's why they don't make it to the final 3.
finally a good quote "New places and new faces make for Amazing Races"!!
I do have this clip on my DVR but not sure how complicated it would be to get it online from there...
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I just heard the same thing on another board and it is something that I wouldn't have thought of. Losing passports or having items stolen from some racers would definateky mean that they would be unable to join the finish line with the other racers.
A little less drama for the viewer than the Portland, Maine/Portland, Oregon idea but nonetheless a major blunder.
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Now this makes sense, thanks sunnyca
ok, party's over - unwinding here! just remembered that i saw phil on NBC Extra yesterday being interviewing in his home office - just briefly - but i do remember one significant thing he said which i don't think has been mentioned here before - he said " one team lost some important documentation and some valuables that was ultimately detrimental to their situation in the race, not good not good at all", and then "we make sure everybody gets home safe and sound".
so i'm not so sure about the portland mixup scenario anymore, seems like one team lost (left somewhere or had it stolen) their fanny pack with all their clues and their passports + credit card etc and that's why they don't make it to the final 3.
finally a good quote "New places and new faces make for Amazing Races"!!
I do have this clip on my DVR but not sure how complicated it would be to get it online from there...
If the team lost their fanny pack with all their clues, passports & credit cards, that would definitely be an unprecedented mistake! It also means that Andrew & Dan might not be in the Final 3 and might be a decoy team after all, since they were seen in Portland.
Belle Book
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And we have good reason to believe that the teams finished before 6pm .. here are the sightings at Columbia Gorge and then the DanDrew sighting at 6pm
At PDX
around 12 noon
in downtown Portland:
2:30pm to 3:00pm
around 4:00pm
Bridge of Gods/Port of Cascade Locks
teams wrapping it up approx 2:30pm -3:30
Dandrew around 6pm, downtown Portland
I have never posted before but have loved TAR since season 1.
Just talked with a co-worker whose husband was hiking in the Columbia Gorge at about 2:30 pm and saw racing teams, vehicles and a helicopter in the vicinity of Bridge of the Gods. He wasn't sure what it was until she called him about the Portland rumor. Could it be the race?
I work in Cascade Locks, and there is a zip line in place right now from the Bridge of the Gods to Thunder Island. I don't know when they put it up, but it sure wasn't there yesterday! :yess: I got there in time to see the camera crews packing up and loading equipment into vans, but a fellow teacher saw two couples ride the zip line down to the island. This was between 2:30-3:30 this afternoon. There were helicopters circling the site, three camera crews at and around the bridge, and they apparently paid the owners of the Charburger restaurant to close for the day so they could secure the parking lot which overlooks the river and the zip line. There were six yellow cabs at the parking lot where the access to the island is, along with more camera crews, and the officer that I talked to said they always stage it so that people don't know for sure how many couples are left. Does that sound reasonable?
The other teacher talked to one of the cab drivers, who said he picked up two people at the airport from an overseas flight, took them to Newberg where they "ran around and looked for a clue", then drove them to Cascade Locks. For some reason someone asked him if this was Fear Factor, but he said it was more like a scavenger hunt. Apparently he has not actually seen Amazing Race himself, so didn't know anything about the usual process.
My speculation is Timberline Lodge for the finish?
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2 couples......... :jam:
I work in Cascade Locks, and there is a zip line in place right now from the Bridge of the Gods to Thunder Island. I don't know when they put it up, but it sure wasn't there yesterday! :yess: I got there in time to see the camera crews packing up and loading equipment into vans, but a fellow teacher saw two couples ride the zip line down to the island. This was between 2:30-3:30 this afternoon. There were helicopters circling the site, three camera crews at and around the bridge, and they apparently paid the owners of the Charburger restaurant to close for the day so they could secure the parking lot which overlooks the river and the zip line. There were six yellow cabs at the parking lot where the access to the island is, along with more camera crews, and the officer that I talked to said they always stage it so that people don't know for sure how many couples are left. Does that sound reasonable?
The other teacher talked to one of the cab drivers, who said he picked up two people at the airport from an overseas flight, took them to Newberg where they "ran around and looked for a clue", then drove them to Cascade Locks. For some reason someone asked him if this was Fear Factor, but he said it was more like a scavenger hunt. Apparently he has not actually seen Amazing Race himself, so didn't know anything about the usual process.
My speculation is Timberline Lodge for the finish?
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Gman and others know more about this than me, but if the difficulties arise in the last leg (starting in Moscow), then the visa might be the sticky part. Credit cards are held by production until tickets are purchased, and I'm sure some staffer holds photocopies of all the passports for racers and crew. But Russia is one of those countries that require exit visas (see here (http://moscow.usembassy.gov/russian-visas.html#ExitVisas)). The visa is tied to the individual passport: you lose the passport and you have to re-apply for a different visa.
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Good info--kind of scary! :ascared
If that is the case, then perhaps we need to be thinking about which team is perhaps NOT seen in Portland at all--whether as a decoy or not.
If the team was unable to make it to the finish line for this kind of reason, then it also seems likely they would not be able to be on hand just a few hours later.
If we use that criteria, that would seem to let out Andrew and Dan who were clearly seen in downtown Portland.
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going off this previous leg
I could see Kelly and Christy losing something essential
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going off this previous leg
I could see Kelly and Christy losing something essential
Unfortunately, so can I. I hope that's not the case.
Belle Book
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Bumped up for the King of the idiots!
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Now this makes sense, thanks sunnyca
ok, party's over - unwinding here! just remembered that i saw phil on NBC Extra yesterday being interviewing in his home office - just briefly - but i do remember one significant thing he said which i don't think has been mentioned here before - he said " one team lost some important documentation and some valuables that was ultimately detrimental to their situation in the race, not good not good at all", and then "we make sure everybody gets home safe and sound".
so i'm not so sure about the portland mixup scenario anymore, seems like one team lost (left somewhere or had it stolen) their fanny pack with all their clues and their passports + credit card etc and that's why they don't make it to the final 3.
finally a good quote "New places and new faces make for Amazing Races"!!
I do have this clip on my DVR but not sure how complicated it would be to get it online from there...
:bump
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
So what sort of dumb-ass drugs are you on "King" :lol: ?
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
So what sort of dumb-ass drugs are you on "King" :lol: ?
LMAO crap you edited your post before i had the chance to make fun of you
THAT ON WAS NOT ALWAYS THERE!
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Bitch please? *hee
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Bitch please? *hee
haha, w/e my queen...
apparently all my mistakes lately make me scared to go on TAR...maybe I will also make an unprecedented mistake.
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Good info--kind of scary! :ascared
If that is the case, then perhaps we need to be thinking about which team is perhaps NOT seen in Portland at all--whether as a decoy or not.
If the team was unable to make it to the finish line for this kind of reason, then it also seems likely they would not be able to be on hand just a few hours later.
If we use that criteria, that would seem to let out Andrew and Dan who were clearly seen in downtown Portland.
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That's what I've been thinking too, and I keep coming back to Toni and Dallas. Tina was spotted at the airport, as well as a team that the witness thought was Terrence and Sarah (very fit couple, she had dark hair, his was dark blonde). And the person who saw Andrew and Dan also saw another couple earlier in the afternoon, and he described the girl as very pretty. To me, that sounds like Nick and Starr.
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It struck me that Toni and Dallas wasn't spotted as decoy or as part of the final three too. It could be them since all the other final 6 teams were spotted in Portland. :'(
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Van Munster, who is currently scouting locations in Asia for the 14th season, promised the 13th season will include a series of firsts for the reality competition, including a mistake that ultimately prohibited one team from joining their fellow racers at the finish line,
Note that this does NOT say prevented a team from being in the final three...
My guess is that this will be someone who we do not see in Portland walking detour...
I don't think any other team will be allowed to continue in their place (ie placements won't change)
And I think this could very easily be the 4th place team eliminated in Moscow who then cannot get to the finale mat in time, although if it were a final three team, then would we have a final TWO?? I think yes, if that was the case. But team 4 seems the most likely to me.
Also:
We DO see Ken and Tina in Portland, at least if this is them:
*a very tan blond woman in a florescent green sporty outfit ~ Portland, PDX
And I always thought that the mountaineering team could refer to Nick/Starr or Terence/Sarah:
*the couple (i am assuming that by the way- could be bro/ sis) she had dark hair, he had dark blond hair. very fit and looked like the had just climbed a mtn ~ Portland, PDX
We def saw Dan/Andrew in Portland thanks to our source there...
So hmmm...Toni/Dallas might be a VERY good guess.... :'( :'( :'(
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And I always thought that the mountaineering team could refer to Nick/Starr or Terence/Sarah:
*the couple (i am assuming that by the way- could be bro/ sis) she had dark hair, he had dark blond hair. very fit and looked like the had just climbed a mtn ~ Portland, PDX
stacy, the witness, thinks it was Sarah and Terence along with Marisa and Brooke, again, the blonds make no sense to me but I wasn't there so who knows? I think its was most likely Christy and Kelly, they also wear matching Nike like clothes and have been mistaken as blonds many times in the blogs. I recall the one in Rio, something like "the blonds in pink wearing Texas shirts" for instance.
I don't look at Nick and think dark blond hair, it fits Terence better.
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So hmmm...Toni/Dallas might be a VERY good guess.... :'( :'( :'(
We actually talked about that possibility a long time ago peach? maybe on the phone?
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One of those middle of the nighters?? :funny: :funny: :funny:
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One of those middle of the nighters?? :funny: :funny: :funny:
.......or one of the ones were we talk over each other, oh wait! that's every time blahblah :bounce :lol:
The only other thing I could think, if not Toni and Dallas, is that Dandrew were left behind then were told to mosey around Portland as decoys once they landed ??? , they were late for the party? :lol:
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Hmmm...if it is a lost Visa they might not make it at all.
But we do need to work on the Pitstop time, because as posted months ago, I believe that the teams were crossing the Finish Line well before Dan/Andrew were spotted in Portland, so I do think that perhaps ALL the teams were sent out to run decoy--everyone seen in the Downtown area should be considered decoy, IMO.
Remember Portland was a very special circumstance in that we knew the finale site BEFORE the filming took place, so TARA production had every reason to put some extra security measures in place... :nualal:
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Already in the works :lol:
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And I always thought that the mountaineering team could refer to Nick/Starr or Terence/Sarah:
*the couple (i am assuming that by the way- could be bro/ sis) she had dark hair, he had dark blond hair. very fit and looked like the had just climbed a mtn ~ Portland, PDX
So hmmm...Toni/Dallas might be a VERY good guess.... :'( :'( :'(
Do we really know that Nick/Starr make F3? I don't remember a date on the Moscow spoiler. Could they be #1 in Moscow leg 1, but eliminated in Moscow leg 2? This assumes leg 1 is NEL and leg 2 gets down to F3?
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We do know. :tup:
The Moscow video is Moscow leg #2 and was taken on May 13, the day before the finale ...
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So there you have it, thanks BVM interview posted here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17604.msg352800.html#msg352800).
In addition, the season also happened to play out as one of the few The Amazing Race editions in which one of the competing teams failed to make it to the course's finish line -- an unexpected development that was welcomed by van Munster.
"I like it when people don't make it to the finish line," he said.
Van Munster, who is currently scouting locations in Asia for the 14th season, promised the 13th season will include a series of firsts for the reality competition, including a mistake that ultimately prohibited one team from joining their fellow racers at the finish line,
Note that this does NOT say prevented a team from being in the final three...
My guess is that this will be someone who we do not see in Portland walking detour...
I don't think any other team will be allowed to continue in their place (ie placements won't change)
And I think this could very easily be the 4th place team eliminated in Moscow who then cannot get to the finale mat in time, although if it were a final three team, then would we have a final TWO?? I think yes, if that was the case. But team 4 seems the most likely to me.
It depends which version of the interview you read, but in puddin's version it does sound more like one of the final 3, than the final 4. And I suspect the 'first' may not be the fact that they didn't make it to the finish line, but rather the reason why they didn't make it to the finish line ie. lost documentation rather than just a long way behind.
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After watching the newest insider videos I'm thinking maybe Nick left the fanny pack and couldn't get it back.
In the video:
The Amazing Race 13 - Nick and Starr Slip Up
The siblings leave an important item at the restaurant and have to go back to retrieve it.
In the cab Starr states that this was the 2nd time Nick left the fanny pack behind.
I could see Nick doing it a 3rd time. I sure hope he doesn't.
I want all 4 to make final 3. I want Dan/Andrew to make final 3 to be the ones to blow it.
Next week will be really sad when a team is eliminated.
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Oh no. I want them gone next definitely!!
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I want them to stay!
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Oh, come on. Can't we fantasize a bit?
Dream Scenario #1 - The team that loses their passports is not one of the final 4, but is in fact Kelly and Christy. They got bored at Loser Lodge, so they sneaked out one night and lost their passports in a local bar. There is a voiceover at the end of the finale saying "Due to their extreme stupidity, Kelly and Christy were left behind overseas and will get back some time in the next month".
Dream Scenario #2 - Dan and Andrew make it to the final 3 but lose their passports. Production tries to expedite new passports for them but are unable to get them in time and Dan and Andrew arrive in the U.S. hours after the Race is over. In retaliation for making them spend extra money on the expedited passports, Production forces Dan and Andrew to complete the Roadblock and Detour in Portland while everyone else parties at the final pitstop.
Reality: the only teams in the final 4 verified in Portland are Ken/Tina and Andrew/Dan. Nick and Starr not making it would certainly be a "first" given their record of 1st place finishes. I still think Toni and Dallas look like the ones who don't make it. (:;)
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Still Toni and Dallas for me. They ain't spotted anywhere. :groan:
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I really hope it's not Toni & Dallas who can't make it to the finish line. I like them!
Belle Book
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toni and dallas ftw
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Did anyone else notice how, when Nick/Starr arrived at the bakery, the taxi driver tried to hand them something (looked like papers) and they just walked away in a hurry? This was accompanied by the rattlesnake sound effect they use when teams are screwing up, but it didn't come up again at all during the rest of the ep. I'm thinking it's basically a case of Chekov's gun, it has to be important at some point... so I think that it was Nick and Starr leaving their passports behind at that moment.
Of course, that doesn't match up with reports of Nick/Starr being spotted in Portland...
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Did anyone else notice how, when Nick/Starr arrived at the bakery, the taxi driver tried to hand them something (looked like papers) and they just walked away in a hurry? This was accompanied by the rattlesnake sound effect they use when teams are screwing up, but it didn't come up again at all during the rest of the ep. I'm thinking it's basically a case of Chekov's gun, it has to be important at some point... so I think that it was Nick and Starr leaving their passports behind at that moment.
Of course, that doesn't match up with reports of Nick/Starr being spotted in Portland...
I just came on here to say that! The taxi driver tried to hand them something - looked like paper - and they shrugged him off. Anyone have screencaps for that? Also, the report people are mistaking as Nick/Starr more closely fits a Terrence and Sarah decoy. Nick isn't fat or anything but he isn't fit like Terrence is and Nick's hair is defintely brown, almost same color as Starr's. Would make no sense why they would say she had darker hair. As for them acting more like bro/sis, Sarah said in an interview that they had some problems relationship wise and maybe that's why they were acting more platonic.
My pick for final 3:
Ken and Tina
Dallas and Toni
Nick and Starr (but they left their visas in that taxi and can't get back to the US)
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I just came on here to say that! The taxi driver tried to hand them something - looked like paper - and they shrugged him off. Anyone have screencaps for that? Also, the report people are mistaking as Nick/Starr more closely fits a Terrence and Sarah decoy. Nick isn't fat or anything but he isn't fit like Terrence is and Nick's hair is defintely brown, almost same color as Starr's. Would make no sense why they would say she had darker hair. As for them acting more like bro/sis, Sarah said in an interview that they had some problems relationship wise and maybe that's why they were acting more platonic.
Starr (but they left their visas in that taxi and can't get back to the US)
I was watching the west coast feed of TAR and watched specifically for that point. It looked like the directions to the roadblock or at least one of those route info pieces of paper. Also in the short preview where Phil talks about losing their passport, you can clearly see Nick with his fannypack.
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The visas are not separate pieces of paper. They are stamped onto a page in the passport. A form with spaces for dates, etc., to be filled in by Russian consular offical at the time the visa is issued. They are not separate from the US passport.
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I have seen visas before, and I know they are permanently attached to a page in your passport. There was a point to why I was pointing it out - the visa being the hardest part to get when you've lost it.
Many times that I have travelled I have put my passport in my itinerary - usually a tri-folded piece of white computer paper - and the passport is exactly the right size to fit in it. I did this to avoid having my passport easily seen by someone who might later try to pick pocket it off of me. I was taught to do this on my first tour to Spain by the travel agent. My DH's family also does this for the same reason, and my MIL said they've been doing it for years.
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The visas are not separate pieces of paper. They are stamped onto a page in the passport. A form with spaces for dates, etc., to be filled in by Russian consular offical at the time the visa is issued. They are not separate from the US passport.
I know visas aren't separate pieces of paper. :lol: I didn't mean that the object looked like loose pieces of paper, I meant paper as in in flat and rectangular... and like the poster above said, they could have put their passports insider something else. I just think it would make no sense for this detail to be shown and specifically singled out with the screw up music unless it was important. And since it wasn't important in this episode, my guess is it's foreshadowing for the next.
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Getting rid of that taxi was a huge rattlesnake worthy moment as it cost them a pile of time to find a new taxi and directly put them in third place...
I see that moment but I don't think that is a we lost our passport moment, but I am loving all the spec!! Good job everybody!! :yess:
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Of course, that doesn't match up with reports of Nick/Starr being spotted in Portland...
Could it just be that Nick/Starr were brought there to do a decoy run?
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Did anyone else notice how, when Nick/Starr arrived at the bakery, the taxi driver tried to hand them something (looked like papers) and they just walked away in a hurry? This was accompanied by the rattlesnake sound effect they use when teams are screwing up, but it didn't come up again at all during the rest of the ep. I'm thinking it's basically a case of Chekov's gun, it has to be important at some point... so I think that it was Nick and Starr leaving their passports behind at that moment.
Of course, that doesn't match up with reports of Nick/Starr being spotted in Portland...
I don't recall any sightings of Nick and Starr in Portland?
anyway the clues, again
*One Team makes an unprecedented mistake that prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line
*ONE TEAM MAKES AN UNPRECEDENTED MISTAKE ON THE ROAD THAT COSTS THEM DEARLY
*the 13th season will include a series of firsts for the reality competition, including a mistake that ultimately prohibited one team from joining their fellow racers at the finish line
*and one Team makes an unprecedented mistake on the road that ultimately prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line.
**Phil: one team lost some important documentation and some valuables that was ultimately detrimental to their situation in the race, not good not good at all", and then "we make sure everybody gets home safe and sound".
** BVM: In addition, the season also happened to play out as one of the few The Amazing Race editions in which one of the competing teams failed to make it to the course's finish line -- an unexpected development that was welcomed by van Munster.
"I like it when people don't make it to the finish line," he said
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Did anyone else notice how, when Nick/Starr arrived at the bakery, the taxi driver tried to hand them something (looked like papers) and they just walked away in a hurry? This was accompanied by the rattlesnake sound effect they use when teams are screwing up, but it didn't come up again at all during the rest of the ep. I'm thinking it's basically a case of Chekov's gun, it has to be important at some point... so I think that it was Nick and Starr leaving their passports behind at that moment.
Of course, that doesn't match up with reports of Nick/Starr being spotted in Portland...
I don't recall any sightings of Nick and Starr in Portland?
anyway the clues, again
*One Team makes an unprecedented mistake that prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line
*ONE TEAM MAKES AN UNPRECEDENTED MISTAKE ON THE ROAD THAT COSTS THEM DEARLY
*the 13th season will include a series of firsts for the reality competition, including a mistake that ultimately prohibited one team from joining their fellow racers at the finish line
*and one Team makes an unprecedented mistake on the road that ultimately prohibits them from joining their fellow Racers at the finish line.
**Phil: one team lost some important documentation and some valuables that was ultimately detrimental to their situation in the race, not good not good at all", and then "we make sure everybody gets home safe and sound".
** BVM: In addition, the season also happened to play out as one of the few The Amazing Race editions in which one of the competing teams failed to make it to the course's finish line -- an unexpected development that was welcomed by van Munster.
"I like it when people don't make it to the finish line," he said
In reading these clues, I find the wording a little strange - saying that one team is ULTIMATELY prohibited from being at the finish line. The word "ultimately" is used by different people. It almost seems that the team is not immediately eliminated. I'm starting to think now that Dan/Andrew are eliminated next (and used as decoys in Portland) and that it comes down to whether the team with the lost passports can get replacements in time. Obviously, they don't. I think we my be looking at a 2 team finale, with Ken and Tina in it for sure. I'm also betting that the "Peter Pan" comment is directed toward Tina in a green outfit on a zipline.
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As much as I would want to make it to the pitstop, if I was missing my passport I would search for it. Since they told us in the preview, we can guess the team will know they lost the passport before they make it to the pitstop. If they backtrack at all, seems like they would likely be the 4th place team. Not that we haven't seen teams do stupid things, but every other time a team has forgotten their fanny pack, they didn't continue to the pitstop. They turned around.
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I don't recall any sightings of Nick and Starr in Portland?
I was actually thinking of the sighting of a M/F team, with the girl being described as very pretty. It never actually said it was Nick/Starr... my bad! :doh:
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i remberd that coment allso they said the woman had blond hair. so it has to b tina jmo.
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bump for the blind and adding that our eyewitness, stacy, thinks the teams she saw were Marisa and Brooke and Terence and Sarah. Marisa and Brooke make no sense to me but hey I wasn't there so what do I know?
Just organizing the team info witnessed in Portland here:
Well, I went down there again to check out the scene. Parked my car & lo and behold, what do I see but two people driving away in one of the minivans from the closed off lot. Jumped back in the car to follow it - they drove down to 2nd av. and are parked in front of voodoo donut. I bet they have or will have a shoot there - it's a weird Portland thing. Two people waiting in the car. Wish they would leave so I could follow them some more..
Well, sorry peeps, I had to come back to work.. After about half an hour of waiting, I walked by the van and it is a couple PAs waiting for something. Literally doing a crossword. I did see a conversation they had with what looked like the manager of Voodoo Donut. I went in there to get me a donut and asked the clerk when the Amazing Race was going to be there. He gave me a blank stare - so maybe the staff doesn't know about it, or has been instructed to not answer. Maybe they are just getting donuts for the crew.. who knows. Now I'm back to paying
Jason writes on May 15th, 2008 3:11am (http://wweek.com/wwire/?p=11881)
There was a clue box right in front of VooDoo donuts, I was there today. When nobody was close to coming, the producers would cover the box with a trash bag but when people were nearby, they would uncover the box and shoo anyone away that was standing near it. It was probably one of the last clues if the Pittock Mansion was the last stop.
They are in Portland today. I was on 5th and Salmon outside my office and two different sets of couples ran by (guy/girl and girl/girl) with a camerman and soundman each. It looked too like Amazing Race not to be.
I just ran down the street in Portland following two girls and the camera crew.
The went to voodoo doughnuts (for a clue I think) Police talked to producers because fans were running after the racers.
They thought someone was running out on a meal bill... the team got into the van and drove off.
They are in Portland today. I was on 5th and Salmon outside my office and two different sets of couples ran by (guy/girl and girl/girl) with a camerman and soundman each. It looked too like Amazing Race not to be.
I know, girl/girl was stupid.....I was a little excited about the siting. I saw them about 1:55pm running North. But, I did notice they looked awfully rested, not frazzled at all....maybe decoys.
sammyk
I was waiting to pick my boyfriend up at International arrivals around Noon today. saw a young couple, very fit and attractive and then 2 sisters (they looked related) also young and wearing matching nike workout gear- they definitely stood out, then when a camera crew w/ tons of gear started filming them running thru the terminal, well that's when it clicked! the A.R!! i love the show and had NO idea they might be in PDX. so, my boyfriend saw them in customs and he thought they had come from Moscow before PDX.
Cool! can't wait to see it on TV.
i don't recognize the teams i saw from any of those pics- the couple (i am assuming that by the way- could be bro/ sis) she had dark hair, he had dark blond hair. very fit and looked like the had just climbed a mtn.
Thanks stacy !! Were the 2 girls blond by any chance? we are missing some of the teams pictures but word is there were 2 blonds in pink.
Yes- sisters were blond!
more from the wweek.com site in comments (http://wweek.com/wwire/?p=11881). I suppose 13 - 1111 means 11 episodes *sigh*
Underwear Guy writes on May 14th, 2008 4:48pm
**SPOILER**
I followed the girls, and the camera... I would bet money this was a decoy, Sammyk you nailed it. The girls got into a WRP van near the Voodoo Doughnuts, the were asking people along the way where Voodoo was... YET NO CLUE was to be found there. They all got into a van and drove off.
I have never posted before but have loved TAR since season 1.
Just talked with a co-worker whose husband was hiking in the Columbia Gorge at about 2:30 pm and saw racing teams, vehicles and a helicopter in the vicinity of Bridge of the Gods. He wasn't sure what it was until she called him about the Portland rumor. Could it be the race?
I work in Cascade Locks, and there is a zip line in place right now from the Bridge of the Gods to Thunder Island. I don't know when they put it up, but it sure wasn't there yesterday! :yess: I got there in time to see the camera crews packing up and loading equipment into vans, but a fellow teacher saw two couples ride the zip line down to the island. This was between 2:30-3:30 this afternoon. There were helicopters circling the site, three camera crews at and around the bridge, and they apparently paid the owners of the Charburger restaurant to close for the day so they could secure the parking lot which overlooks the river and the zip line. There were six yellow cabs at the parking lot where the access to the island is, along with more camera crews, and the officer that I talked to said they always stage it so that people don't know for sure how many couples are left. Does that sound reasonable?
The other teacher talked to one of the cab drivers, who said he picked up two people at the airport from an overseas flight, took them to Newberg where they "ran around and looked for a clue", then drove them to Cascade Locks. For some reason someone asked him if this was Fear Factor, but he said it was more like a scavenger hunt. Apparently he has not actually seen Amazing Race himself, so didn't know anything about the usual process.
I saw TAR teams today as well at PDX. I drive the international buses at PDX but not today. However, I was driving the terminal parking lot buses today and saw a camera man /sound man running after a very tan blond woman in a florescent green sporty outfit, backpack and one of those TAR clue cards (?) in her hand just about the time the Germany flight would have landed. They were getting a taxi here at PDX. I had to keep my eyes on my driving but a person in the bus said they were from The Amazing Race.
My next loop around (20 minutes later), I arrived at the terminal and saw more teams grabbing a taxi. Fortunately I was driving the Employee lot bus and one of the supervisors (who got on camera & had to sign a TAR release for TV) confirmed that the teams in fact were from TAR and got off the Lufthansa flight from Germany to Portland OR. They were headed up to Washington state. He also said there were only 4 teams and perhaps the other two teams went up via Seattle first - but that of course is purely speculation.
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Okay guys, I AM able to share some more info w/ you!
With many thanks to our incredible Portland photographer who has been hard at work on our behalf!!
I'm pleased to report that I saw a male-male team in downtown Portland
this evening (peach: that would be 5/14) at about 6:00 local time. A cameraman and a sound man
were following them.
I saw them head west along Alder, then south on 10th, then east on
Morrison. They asked for directions at the food carts that occupy the
parking lot north of Alder, and they looked at a metal map kiosk at
the corner of 10th and Morrison.
They looked to be mid to late 20s or even maybe early 30s. Both were
wearing khaki trousers; the taller one was slightly heavyset and had
reddish curly hair and was wearing a baseball cap and a blue T-shirt.
The other had blonde to sandy blonde hair and no hat. Both had
backpacks.
What struck me, though, was how slowly they were moving compared to my
expections. They certainly were not running. I don't know if this
means they are a decoy, or that they are real but exhausted, or that
they are real and in last place, or what.
I often buy magazines at a store on 9th & Alder, so I asked the
cashier there if I knew anything about TAR in Portland. He said, "Oh,
is that what that was?" I said, "Is that what WHAT was?" He said he
had seen a male and a female plus two-man crew also proceeding along
Alder. I asked him when that was. He said about two hours previously,
which puts it at around 4:00 p.m. I asked him if he recalled any other
details; he said he did not, except that the girl was pretty. :-/I did not have a camera with me, but where they were is VERY central
location; and while Portland is considerably less densely occupied
than, say, LA or even Denver, I will be very surprised if no one here
managed to take a reasonable picture of at least one of the teams.
I asked our source if these guys could maybe be who he saw?
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/frats.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR13/frat2.jpg)
And so sadly, since we don't even know their names yet (that seems so wrong somehow!), he replied:
Oooh! Yes, I do think so! Their relative heights and hair colors match!
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I think any and all teams except the final 2/3 could have been run as decoy this time, there were extenuating circumstances and TPTB were aware of that. :angel:
Were the final 2/3 also collecting a clue at Voodoo doughnut? Or maybe not? :duno:
There were decoys also run after the mat, as we have said for months.
I always thought the "sisters" in matching Nike could also have been Christy/Kelly until Stacey said blonde...wish she would come back to see some pics! If you are new here, these sightings were done long before we had the cast reveal, so we didn't know the teams then.
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stacy looked at the photos and she thinks the "sisters" were Marisa and Brooke but like you peach I think it was Kelly and Christy but like I said, I wasn't there so what do I know?
Also I agree, The Frats are most likely running decoy and I do not think TPTB would not risk or run one of the final 2/3 whatever the case maybe as decoys.
I agree and in my opinion, its most likely the Frats that lost their documents.
I think the voice overs in the web promo is put there to throw us off as in misdirection, they are not going to give it away.
I also agree that the clip of the Frats at the Pittock Mansion is most likely a insider clip/ confessional by the Frats talking about all their mistakes and laughing about it as they have been doing. Then again I am grasping at straws like patlini, lol. Maybe I'm twisting it for my own selfishness for a great outcome :lol:
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If the frats lose their passports and refind them, they can still make Portland by 6PM using apskip's flights.
If anyone loses their passports for good, they almost certainly can't make Portland at all.
Wish we had a sighting that matched Toni/Dallas...
Sunrise/sunset for 5/14:
May 14, 2008 5:40 AM 8:34 PM
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stacy looked at the photos and she thinks the "sisters" were Marisa and Brooke but like you peach I think it was Kelly and Christy but like I said, I wasn't there so what do I know?
Also I agree, The Frats are most likely running decoy and I do not think TPTB would not risk or run one of the final 2/3 whatever the case maybe as decoys.
I agree and in my opinion, its most likely the Frats that lost their documents.
I think the voice overs in the web promo is put there to throw us off as in misdirection, they are not going to give it away.
I also agree that the clip of the Frats at the Pittock Mansion is most likely a insider clip/ confessional by the Frats talking about all their mistakes and laughing about it as they have been doing. Then again I am grasping at straws like patlini, lol. Maybe I'm twisting it for my own selfishness for a great outcome :lol:
If I were deciding on teams to run in Portland as decoys, I would not use anyone in the top 4. It would be difficult for the 4th place team to get to Portland in a timely fashion (w/ passports), meet with other decoys and do their other tasks. Plus they must be at the Finish when the top 3 arrive.
I would send the decoy teams out of the Portland airport a few hours before the actual top 3 arrive to throw off people like us.
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I'm not sure what you mean gator? Circumstances were different, TPTB knew that some of us knew *peach cough peach* where the finish line was before they finished, like a whole day before, plus reporters where hot on their tails so who ran as decoy's remains to be seen.
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adding this ........
(Its for us to decide which were decoys and which were the real thing. My take, based on witnesses sightings, is that the downtown Portland sightings were decoys but, can't be determined either way.)
* I was on 5th and Salmon outside my office and two different sets of couples ran by (guy/girl and girl/girl) with a camerman and soundman each. I saw them about 1:55pm running North
*I just ran down the street in Portland following two girls and the camera crew.
The went to voodoo doughnuts (for a clue I think)
** Two girls and a camera crew ran through downtown this afternoon at 2:30
*I saw a rather attractive couple/team running west on SW Alder @ 5th at approx 4pm. The sound guy didn’t look very happy. As in he was really out of shape and was having a hard time keeping up.
*I saw one of the teams running down 10th towards the Pearl as I was exiting the Pittock Building at about 4 p.m on Wednesday. This was before I knew they were in town. Youngish male and female with back packs, fanny packs w/AR logo
*I'm pleased to report that I saw a male-male team in downtown Portland
this evening
**They looked to be mid to late 20s or even maybe early 30s. Both were wearing khaki trousers; the taller one was slightly heavyset and had reddish curly hair and was wearing a baseball cap and a blue T-shirt. The other had blonde to sandy blonde hair and no hat. Both had backpacks.
*** I asked the cashier there if I knew anything about TAR in Portland. He said, "Oh,is that what that was?" I said, "Is that what WHAT was?" He said he had seen a male and a female
**** I asked him if he recalled any other details; he said he did not, except that the girl was pretty
*PDX: saw a young couple, very fit and attractive and then 2 sisters (they looked related) also young and wearing matching nike workout gear- they definitely stood out
(reply when asked to look at the contestant pictures)
**i don't recognize the teams i saw from any of those pics- the couple (i am assuming that by the way- could be bro/ sis) she had dark hair, he had dark blond hair. very fit and looked like the had just climbed a mtn
***Yes- sisters were blond!
*I saw TAR teams today as well at PDX.
** a very tan blond woman in a florescent green sporty outfit, backpack and one of those TAR clue cards (?) in her hand
***I arrived at the terminal and saw more teams grabbing a taxi.
****He also said there were only 4 teams and perhaps the other two teams went up via Seattle first - but that of course is purely speculation
Maybe we can get the sighting times together to figure when the contestants actually gathered for the actual pit stop
Maybe between 3:00, 4:00 pm?
At PDX
around 12 noon
in downtown Portland:
2:30pm to 3:00pm
around 4:00pm
around 6:00pm
Bridge of Gods/Port of Cascade Locks
teams wrapping it up approx 2:30pm
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So Andrew & Dan might be eliminated this leg and be a decoy team. Ken & Tina definitely make it to the finals. That leaves us with Nick & Starr and Toni & Dallas. Just in case there really is a jinx, I'm going to say that I hope Nick & Starr aren't the team to lose their money & passports.
Belle Book
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So Andrew & Dan might be eliminated this leg and be a decoy team. Ken & Tina definitely make it to the finals. That leaves us with Nick & Starr and Toni & Dallas. Just in case there really is a jinx, I'm going to say that I hope Nick & Starr aren't the team to lose their money & passports.
Belle Book
In my fantasy Dandrew are the ones eliminated but I don't think its the case. I hate hate hate to admit it but I'm really leaning towards Toni and Dallas losing their documents :crybabe:
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puddin I'm with you on this one too, i don't want to be but I think its Toni/Dallas :'(
and reason no. 323 to read posts before posting them
it's clutching at straws.. oops my bad :-[
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puddin I'm with you on this one too, i don't want to be but I think its Toni/Dallas :'(
and reason no. 323 to read posts before posting them
it's clutching at straws.. oops my bad :-[
grasping, clutching, whatever we want to call it patini, if Tony and Dallas we will need many straws :helpme :blaster :gaah: to kill the pain! It just might be the straw that broke the camels back :'(
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puddin I'm with you on this one too, i don't want to be but I think its Toni/Dallas :'(
and reason no. 323 to read posts before posting them
it's clutching at straws.. oops my bad :-[
grasping, clutching, whatever we want to call it patini, if Tony and Dallas we will need many straws :helpme :blaster :gaah: to kill the pain! It just might be the straw that broke the camels back :'(
and a straw to get the alcohol in quicker to ease the pain
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Hoping praying it isn't them....but if it is I am SO glad they had the first place moment.
SO the next questions is will we have a 2 or 3 person final?? ???
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Hoping praying it isn't them....but if it is I am SO glad they had the first place moment.
SO the next questions is will we have a 2 or 3 person final?? ???
3 *hopes* because a twosie would suck.
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TAR poster newbie here! I've been a major lurker until now. My thoughts?
(1) Nick/Starr
(2) Ken/Tina
(3) Toni/Dallas
Philiminated: Andrew/Dan :meow:
However...Nick loses their passports and moolah. They can't leave, and they're stuck in Moscow. I can hope, right?
Toni/Dallas FTW!!! :wohoo:
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:welcome: to RFF CABoSoxFan!
We love it when lurkers come to play!
And what a cute dog! Have fun! :waves:
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Or at least Nick & Starr can't leave Moscow until after the others all arrive! I can hope that Toni & Dallas aren't the unlucky team, either.
Belle Book
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Well, I admit that I am pretty confused right now, and trying to think all this through is making my head hurt. :gaah:
This quote kind of sticks out:
Quote from: Julz on May 14, 2008, 08:24:06 PM
I saw TAR teams today as well at PDX. I drive the international buses at PDX but not today. However, I was driving the terminal parking lot buses today and saw a camera man /sound man running after a very tan blond woman in a florescent green sporty outfit, backpack and one of those TAR clue cards (?) in her hand just about the time the Germany flight would have landed. They were getting a taxi here at PDX. I had to keep my eyes on my driving but a person in the bus said they were from The Amazing Race.
My next loop around (20 minutes later), I arrived at the terminal and saw more teams grabbing a taxi. Fortunately I was driving the Employee lot bus and one of the supervisors (who got on camera & had to sign a TAR release for TV) confirmed that the teams in fact were from TAR and got off the Lufthansa flight from Germany to Portland OR. They were headed up to Washington state. He also said there were only 4 teams and perhaps the other two teams went up via Seattle first - but that of course is purely speculation.
First of all I think it is interesting that they apparently knew that there should have been 6 teams on that final final flight (3 final teams, plus the 3 eliminated previously). If there really were only 4 teams, then that could back up my current speculation: the team that lost their passports is either still in Russia or is somewhere else trying to get their documents, and Dan and Andrew missed the connecting flight (or were way behind and got a later one) so they don't arrive until later in the afternoon. Of course I am still clinging to any hope that Dan and Andrew are eliminated next but I have a terrible feeling it is
:lala Toni and Dallas :lala
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It could also happen that it is Dan and Andrew who lost their passports, with T/D hours behind due to Dallas' lack of knowledge of history.
Notice how N/S's problems are only "getting a taxi" as shown in the first preview. While others are seen having more problems than that. That could mean something though.
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Okay i was doing mswood's questions and this thought suddenly came into my mind. Remember in TAR5 Linda and Karen left their fanny packs behind? When they left, the cameraman obviously realized it and zoomed in on the fanny packs. It was until after Linda and Karen realized it then they went back to their previous location to retrieve it. (Without the cameraman telling them)
So i'm thinking there could be this possible scenario that the team who loses their fanny pack, could be Ken and Tina (who were spotted many hours behind the teams) because i think the producers will not be that evil to not tell them where they left their packs after they lost it. I'm pretty sure they will want them to go back and retrieve it. I mean, they won't really want a team to not be present at the finish line right? But because they went back to retrieve it, they were so many hours behind, that they couldn't catch the teams in the finale leg (flights) and because they were team number #3, they were not eliminated and thus cannot fly directly to the finish line to join the other teams because they had to wait 12 hours and thus missing the flight and joining the others?
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And because they had to go back to get their packs, any other possible teams U-TURNed them and that's why it accounted for them being hours behind?
Argh, this leg is a mystery! I don't know, it's just pure speculation now!! :groan:
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@Joab, there are, however, reports of Ken and Tina sightings at Portland EARLIER than the Seattle sightings of Dan and Andrew, implying that it is not Ken and Tina who ultimately do not make it to the finish line along with the other teams.
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I know. I was just thinking for a reason why K/T are so far behind everyone?
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Okay i was doing mswood's questions and this thought suddenly came into my mind. Remember in TAR5 Linda and Karen left their fanny packs behind? When they left, the cameraman obviously realized it and zoomed in on the fanny packs. It was until after Linda and Karen realized it then they went back to their previous location to retrieve it. (Without the cameraman telling them)
So i'm thinking there could be this possible scenario that the team who loses their fanny pack, could be Ken and Tina (who were spotted many hours behind the teams) because i think the producers will not be that evil to not tell them where they left their packs after they lost it. I'm pretty sure they will want them to go back and retrieve it. I mean, they won't really want a team to not be present at the finish line right? But because they went back to retrieve it, they were so many hours behind, that they couldn't catch the teams in the finale leg (flights) and because they were team number #3, they were not eliminated and thus cannot fly directly to the finish line to join the other teams because they had to wait 12 hours and thus missing the flight and joining the others?
Joab, that is an interesting hypothesis. However, experience in AR12 and earlier in AR13 has shown us that U-Turns are only delaying teams 30 minutes (same as the hour glass, but much more exciting). That makes it an insignificant part of being behind by hours. Of course, the window to the episode 10 pitstop closes around 5pm. 12 hours affer that the time to DME (not SVO) airport and time for flight booking and airport checkin would make it impossible for a team to make it to Portland for early afternoon May 14 tasks.
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I believe that doing the other detour makes it hard for Ken and Tina to catch up, but is able to go and clinch third place ahead of the time specified by apskip.
Perhaps it is indeed Andrew and Dan who are hours behind already, due to their speedbump.
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The only reason i'm thinking now that a team loses their fannypack, goes back to pick it up and are still in the F3 (Because Dandrew cannot complete the Speedbump?) and thus they have to wait for Hours of Operation or what and misses the flight with the other 2 teams and are so behind that they couldn't make it to the finishing line at all because they have to wait for the 12 hours pitstop mandatory rest time as well.
In this way, it fits the criteria of losing important documentations (they didn't say they cannot find it back, and i'm pretty sure they did) and not making it to the finishing line?
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That's a different perspective you showed us Joab. Wow!
That is a big possibility indeed.
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This "unpredented mistake" is more thought provoking than even who wins, as puddin said.
And given how this is going to affect whether we have a final 2 or 3, I wonder if Phil won't have to do some special explaining this week to us? And I wonder if we will see a last confessional by the affected team as well?
I remember how he sat Momily and the Guidos down in Season 1 and explained to them on camera, (and hence to us), why Momily was eliminated, even though I think the Guidos arrived last, so perhaps we'll see something similar this week. Either explaining on camera to the team what happens next, which of course fills us in, or explaining directly to us...
Since this is such an unusual and pivotal week, I think TPTB won't leave us wondering for the finale, so hopefully all will be explained.
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ok i have taken 2 days maby 3 to read all the post.. any way if some one is last there last and
the other 3 teams go on raceing..so if some one is that far behind they will get philemanated. for sure also on the on comercial iwas listing very carfuly and it shows dallis but the voice is saying we have noting were do or what ever it says , and i am all most sure id is dandrew, one of them,any way this bord has got me sooo excited for sunday ng now, i can hardly wait one more day...
and ps if tht is star and nick at the finish line where r all the other teams??? so that can't b the finish line ???
in one race phill tells the teams to keep raceing rember i don't no witch one it was..??
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This "unpredented mistake" is more thought provoking than even who wins, as puddin said.
And given how this is going to affect whether we have a final 2 or 3, I wonder if Phil won't have to do some special explaining this week to us? And I wonder if we will see a last confessional by the affected team as well?
I remember how he sat Momily and the Guidos down in Season 1 and explained to them on camera, (and hence to us), why Momily was eliminated, even though I think the Guidos arrived last, so perhaps we'll see something similar this week. Either explaining on camera to the team what happens next, which of course fills us in, or explaining directly to us...
Since this is such an unusual and pivotal week, I think TPTB won't leave us wondering for the finale, so hopefully all will be explained.
I predict peach will be right, lol
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and ps if tht is star and nick at the finish line where r all the other teams??? so that can't b the finish line ???
in one race phill tells the teams to keep raceing rember i don't no witch one it was..??
The other teams aren't there yet, remember? Starr & Nick were first to arrive, greeter and all. There are no to be cont / keep on racing this season, one team is eliminated tomorrow, they will be on Bonnie Hunt on Tuesday.
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OH TY PUDDIN I WILL SET MY DVR NOW FOR IT..
what about the other teams the elemated ones.. they r allways there...
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OH TY PUDDIN I WILL SET MY DVR NOW FOR IT..
what about the other teams the elemated ones.. they r allways there...
They aren't there yet!
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I miss the TBC's and the intersections, I wonder if we'll ever get to see them again...
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I miss the TBC's and the intersections, I wonder if we'll ever get to see them again...
I doubt it. I don't really want those back, I just want more legs and bigger distances traveled in each leg. No more staying in one city all the time.
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Hooky, can you please give a single example of 3 legs in a row in any city in any Amazing Race? You can't, because there is no such example. Even 2 legs in a row in the same city is rare. In fact, it's never happened in a U.S. Amazing Race based on my going back to every episode of all 12 previous Amazing Races. the closest one comes was in AR9 where episode 1 is in Sao Paulo and episode 2 is in the countryside up to 90 miles away. I don't consider that 2 consecutive legs.
So, my conclusion is tha the Amazing Race has never "stayed in one city all the time."
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This race? 2 legs in Moscow and 2 legs in Delhi. I wouldn't have minded two legs in Siem Reap though :lol:
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It is very rarely when all of you detectives are as stumped and befuddled as you are right now with the whole unprecidented mistake conundrum. Let me throw this out here and see just what sticks. Could this "unprecidented mistake" just be some sort of elaborate ruse to throw the TAR dectectives off? Could Van Muster and associated have planted this gigantic mistake in the game to allow everyone here to focus on it rather than the pictorial, editorial and bogged evidence that is collected so easily? Are we making too much of this mistake? I know that CBS and Van Muster and Co. are never happy with the evidence that is collected by you guys, so maybe this hot little tidbit is a game within the game?
Just a thought...(I don't even believe it, either)
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i was watching the clip also veryclosly last night. and dall has his head in the cab saying 300 or 400 dollars i can't rember so they have there money ie pass ports also?? as for stealing a cab i don;t think there r peanatlys for that i have seen that done in other seasons. we have ruruns on 2 diff channellss, i saw tar 12 final 4 yd on some random chanell and it was when they left mubi, i saw the hotel and the ticket agent but they were leaving, forjapan, on that leg..
any way bc to this race i still don't c why pl r so sure toni and dallis get philemated????
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It is very rarely when all of you detectives are as stumped and befuddled as you are right now with the whole unprecidented mistake conundrum. Let me throw this out here and see just what sticks. Could this "unprecidented mistake" just be some sort of elaborate ruse to throw the TAR dectectives off? Could Van Muster and associated have planted this gigantic mistake in the game to allow everyone here to focus on it rather than the pictorial, editorial and bogged evidence that is collected so easily? Are we making too much of this mistake? I know that CBS and Van Muster and Co. are never happy with the evidence that is collected by you guys, so maybe this hot little tidbit is a game within the game?
Just a thought...(I don't even believe it, either)
This would not suprise me at all.
Could losing passports and $$ = misplaced?
Could losing passports and $$ = no affect on the race because it was the 4th place team?
4 hr plus football time on the East Coast
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Basically someone loses their sh!t and can no longer be in the final 3, can not compete, cannot get to Portland, therefore are eliminated from the competition. One team probably advances to the final 3, most likely the lucky bastards.
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:meow: those foot ball ppl.. wel i am going to my friends @ 6ish so i am sure by the time the movie is over and i get home and get the tv bk dvrd i will not HAVE TO WATCH COMMERICALS YEA!!!
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It is very rarely when all of you detectives are as stumped and befuddled as you are right now with the whole unprecidented mistake conundrum. Let me throw this out here and see just what sticks. Could this "unprecidented mistake" just be some sort of elaborate ruse to throw the TAR dectectives off? Could Van Muster and associated have planted this gigantic mistake in the game to allow everyone here to focus on it rather than the pictorial, editorial and bogged evidence that is collected so easily? Are we making too much of this mistake? I know that CBS and Van Muster and Co. are never happy with the evidence that is collected by you guys, so maybe this hot little tidbit is a game within the game?
Just a thought...(I don't even believe it, either)
RFF should get its own reality:
"The Amazing Stalking" a competition for reality fans to try and discover the ending of a show's season before it airs lol