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The Head-to-Head/Face Off/Double Battle - Pros? Cons? Suggestions?

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dryedmangoez:


So there's always been lots of discussion about TAR Canada's Face Off and especially TARUS' Head-to-Head, both adapted from TAR Israel's Double Battle.

What are everyone's thoughts on the TAR twist? And specifically, TARUS' implementation of the twist after now two seasons with it. Any suggestions to improve it? Its placement in a Leg? Should it be eliminated entirely?

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--- Quote from: toanglobal on August 18, 2019, 10:40:35 PM ---... phase out Head to head task or at least not use it to elimination purpose!

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Regarding that: Let's speculate on if this is coming back. Probably, but would production put one in during the middle of a leg? It would actually make more sense to do it then, only because it would be a good "can they come back from this" story. Doubt it would happen, though.

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In an interview before TAR31's premiere and obviously after TAR32 was filmed, Phil was asked this and he basically said he doesn't see a difference whether or not it is placed at the end. So if it returns, I doubt they'd change it. Unfortunately.

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--- Quote from: toanglobal on August 19, 2019, 08:34:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mandoli on August 19, 2019, 09:10:15 AM ---
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Face-offs (head to head) were successful in Israel versions but failed in other versions because TARI's leg structure was longer (from season 2 to 6 each leg is usually covered in 3 episodes some in 4 episodes)

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--- Quote from: georgiapeach on August 19, 2019, 11:56:02 AM ---If someone writes me up a NICE summary of why it absolutely matters, I'll forward it to BVM, Phil, Pat etc.  }:>

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BourkieBoy:
First off, the US version needs to please start calling it the Face-Off. Head-To-Head has NEVER seemed right, IMO!

I don't mind seeing the H2H at the end of the US Leg, but I think it's time to change it up. I don't want to keep seeing it at the end of the leg! Put in between a Roadblock or Detour for instance!

Canada does it much better. I don't watch the Israeli version, so I can't comment on how well the Double Battle works!

georgiapeach:
I think the crucial part here is WHY the placement within a leg matters.

And why it should/shouldn't be used in the penultimate legs.

Since I have seen a lot of intelligent comments  before from you all about WHY this matters...let's try to pull together a discussion that might show Phil and production why we think this is an issue.

elthemagnifico:
The pro of putting H&H at the end of the leg is to give a trailed team a chance to fight back from elimination = an expected good drama to produce on tv

But the cons of it, and its bigger than they thought, are basically, all the other preceded tasks become useless and pointless, and racers face frustration of
the fact that no matter how good their performances are, their end placement is eventually determined by the H&H

Cyzoran:
My biggest complaint about a head to head is the waiting for another team. If I get to a Head to head with a 30 minute lead on the team behind me, it practically penalizes me. This affects my starting time of the next leg, and it doesn't matter how well I did on the previous leg. I think there should be a max time waiting for Head to heads.

When a team arrives, they should flip over an hourglass (kinda like the yields) can be 15 minutes, 30 minutes, whatever production thinks is fair. And if another team does not arrive by that time, the team should be able to bypass the Head to Head and check in.

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