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TAR: Where are we Going? Suggestions for the Future!
georgiapeach:
--- Quote from: G.B. on December 27, 2020, 01:42:42 AM ---Burning the U-Turn Board
It is a strong opinion of mine that this should not be allowed. I do not think a team should be allowed to U-Turn a team that they know is ahead of them. In essence, this would boil down to not being permitted to U-Turn someone whose picture is already on the U-Turn board, showing they've passed by it already.
When this was first used against Abbie & Ryan in Season 21, I remember thinking "Oh that's a pretty clever way to abuse a loophole, but the producers will probably adjust the rules accordingly in the future". But they didn't, and teams still do it to this day.
I don't think it's very fair, and it's a much too powerful move. It's pretty much a death sentence. It's such a strange methodology too, to look and say "We're going to knowingly U-Turn this team who is literally ahead of us and will not be affected by this", feels like such an abuse of the formula.
Patch this bug out, please.
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My guess is that we won't be seeing this happen again. :d025:
Xoruz:
--- Quote from: RachelLeVega on December 27, 2020, 10:58:52 AM ---I feel like a quick fix is to have only one picture of each team remaining on the race in stock, make the "courtesy of" picture lot the same size as the U-Turn victim. That way, teams won't be able to U-Turn the team who's already used the board. Of course, this fixes only one form of this usage.
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I just want to make sure I understand what you said. Correct me if I misunderstood. If there are five teams left, there should just be the five large photos and no second set of smaller photos.
If that's the case, then doing that would be an additional punishment for a U-Turned team. For example, Bill & Cathi wouldn't have been able to U-Turn Laurence & Zac on TAR 19.
I agree that teams should be prohibited from U-Turning a team that already used the first U-Turn slot. I do acknowledge that it won't completely ban board burning, but it'll be extremely difficult in a final 5 scenario like 32's.
stunami:
--- Quote from: RachelLeVega on December 27, 2020, 10:58:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: G.B. on December 27, 2020, 01:42:42 AM ---Burning the U-Turn Board
It is a strong opinion of mine that this should not be allowed. I do not think a team should be allowed to U-Turn a team that they know is ahead of them. In essence, this would boil down to not being permitted to U-Turn someone whose picture is already on the U-Turn board, showing they've passed by it already.
When this was first used against Abbie & Ryan in Season 21, I remember thinking "Oh that's a pretty clever way to abuse a loophole, but the producers will probably adjust the rules accordingly in the future". But they didn't, and teams still do it to this day.
I don't think it's very fair, and it's a much too powerful move. It's pretty much a death sentence. It's such a strange methodology too, to look and say "We're going to knowingly U-Turn this team who is literally ahead of us and will not be affected by this", feels like such an abuse of the formula.
Patch this bug out, please.
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I feel like a quick fix is to have only one picture of each team remaining on the race in stock, make the "courtesy of" picture lot the same size as the U-Turn victim. That way, teams won't be able to U-Turn the team who's already used the board. Of course, this fixes only one form of this usage.
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But the problem with that is now teams will know the order they are in. One thing with the U-Turn is not knowing what rank you are (unless you saw some pictures on the board). I remember in the first seasons of the U-Turn there was this issue of : we want to U-Turn a team but we are not sure who's behind us, so the risk is we should U-turn *random team * but maybe they already passed.
I guess a solution would be you can't U-Turn a team who used a U-Turn already. (And only their pictures would be out of the options, not those who already passed and didn't use the U-Turn)
G.B.:
--- Quote from: Xoruz on December 27, 2020, 12:32:16 PM ---If that's the case, then doing that would be an additional punishment for a U-Turned team. For example, Bill & Cathi wouldn't have been able to U-Turn Laurence & Zac on TAR 19.
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Huh? Why?
Honestly there's no need for any of these rules regarding pictures and stuff, all there needs to be is a written rule that if somebody has used the first U-Turn slot, you can't U-Turn them.
It might even add drama to things. There might be a group of teams in an alliance who want to work together and also want to burn the second slot of the U-Turn board. One member of the alliance uses the first slot. The next team in the alliance then has the task of burning the board, but if they can't U-Turn the first team, well then things become interesting. They COULD U-Turn someone else in their alliance in an effort to burn the board, but without knowing for sure if that team is ahead, then they risk accidentally U-Turning their own alliance member. This would make it a much, much riskier move.
--- Quote from: georgiapeach on December 27, 2020, 12:28:13 PM ---My guess is that we won't be seeing this happen again. :d025:
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You say that, but I thought the exact same thing back in Season 21 as I said...
AFVet1982:
I haven't read the whole thread, but I agree with the posters who are advocating for a "return to the basics." I like having teams read the clue at the start of the next leg, maybe a montage of teams reading the clue from start to finish (just a few words from each team spliced together so the entire clue is read -- I think that's been done, but not to the degree I'm suggesting). I also agree regarding the local greeters, other reality stars, etc. TRAUSAFan's post from back in 2016 I think is pretty much spot-on. Two things to close on: I like Phil's intros as mentioned (by TRUSAFan, I believe), they provide continuity from the last episode/leg, and I also think that burning the U-Turn board needs to be fixed, perhaps as simply as prohibiting a team from U-Turning a team that's already used that U-Turn.
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