live feeds 12am 9/11 (
sorry about the spelling, just want to get it posted)
Steve still pacing, Vanessa still in DR. Steve to comic room, telling John she is still in the DR, and how he's has been called out to "stop it!" Steve constantly pacing downstairs, now upstairs pacing in the HOH
(driving me crazy watching constant feed changing) yeah sitting down playing chess by himself! both sides of the board
Austin/Liz... Austin said he talked with John and Steve about f/4 but everything I said we didn't intend to honor, John needs to go this week. We need Steve to not flip out on the votes, if he feels threatened we'll tell him things he'll need to know, we'll both move forward to f/4 take her to f/3...discussing f/4 if John or Steve move forward and win the veto they will take you out then. We should be good but you never know with her.
John's up now, Steve still upstairs standing looking over the railing.
Austin wondering if they will do a reset button, he disliked the egg game. He said it took to long wanted to stop after 2nd egg. Liz said it took to long to get my groove.
Vanessa out, Steve to DR...everyone wants to talk, Vanessa going through her clothes, jewelry, just staring in her top drawer, grabs a bag of clothes and heads to hoh.
Liz saying he needs to talk to her about taking out Steve and John two of her enemies, Austin says he knows. Austin says this is too much for me then kisses Liz, getting ready to go talk to Vanessa, thinking about it sitting on the bed with Liz, now lying down thinking.
Austin to Liz, practice speech, the facts I don't know do you want to go to f/4 with them 2 where you can't play for HOH, or us two where you can't play hoh what's better odds for you
next week there's 4 of us going into f/3, if you keep us your going into f/3 if you keep those 2 you aren't guaranteed anything. Liz is saying yeh, with them you have the brains and the Braun. What if she made deals with everyone?
Austin says yeh but even then he doesn't have to follow the deal. (they think John is up in the hoh talking but he has been in the kitchen the whole time.) Austin gets up to go to the bathroom, sees John in the kitchen, Vanessa coming down.
Vanessa I just feel like
Austin, even if f/4 and John, Steve and I'm still here you have to beat them for the veto. if Liz wins hoh you have to beat them for that veto, if its me Liz and one of them, neither me or you have to win that veto, we'd be in f/3 because if John or Steve win they would probably cut Liz out of the equasion, so I think it's a logical play!
Vanessa...Right
Austin just based on that, and Liz and me are always going to take you over one of them.
Vanessa...I'm sure they would probably say that they would take me.
Austin...well sure.
Vanessa...This would work as long as Liz doesn't win the veto, if she wins the veto it f...s **** up for me.
Austin we'll cross that bridge, I can talk to her
Vanessa... that's where it leaves things for me, Austin I would love to be in the f/2 with you, I think that would be great, but you know I would love to be in the f/3 f/4, I've have had your back in this game, you've had mine and Liz too.
I had Becky and James gunning for me and Liz helped me with that, and I was thinking I never really thanked her for that. She did me some favors, it helped her but i benefited from that, so its a big deal, I don't want to go against her I really don't, even though I don't have the same deals I have with you. I've been with the girls, and I love them so much, it breaks my heart cause I don't want to.
Austin says if we are there in the f/2, I will stand up and take any blame, because we have been in it since the beginning, I got to at that point
Vanessa...Right, right
Austin...hopefully I will try my hardest to make sure he doesn't win that veto (? as to who) but if he does I guess we'll have to cross that bridge
Vanessa...really Austin I feel like we deserve to be in the finals
Austin...this is our game
Vanessa...we have played this game so hard, and like made more moves than anyone else, so many people here weren't play worthy!
Austin, that's why I got mad at the girls in like "hide and go veto"
Vanessa...like your a huge BB fan and I'm a huge game fan, and I put everything into this, and you put everything into this and I don't want to go against you in this, it would be amazing if we could make a deal...first of all you'd agree to vote the way I want this week, there'd be no going against it. I believe you guys, well first of all I believe in incentives, you know that paranoia I have at times, that's what it will be like if you flip that vote on me, or I will go for the f...ing veto, and I will guarantee you I will win it.
Austin...not happening, no that will not happen Austin and Judas give you my word.
Vanessa...mega f...ing **** will happen, I will... will it to happen...so first that vote Johnny Mac needs to go,(Austin OK) if he wins that veto I will cross that bridge later. He'll be on the block...Steve it doesn't matter if he wins the veto, he'll be on the block. You know I'm not going to quit my plan halfway through. He's the best scenerio for me to go, because quite frankly, with all the comps I have to get through, he's my biggest threat to get into f/2 cause everyone is going to take him over me, and that's my justification, I don't think we even need to out our alliance
2nd thing if you win the veto don't use it
3rd thing next week win that HOH
Austin I will go for it, if everything goes to plan and Johhny Mac goes it's Liz's ass that will be on the line next week
Vanessa...it will be Liz verses Steve, HoH try for the Veto better if you don't
Austin says he would take Steve out though.
Venessa...what you don't understand is, I know you think a f/3 with Liz is the best for you, it's actually for your game not, do you realize that?
Austin...yeh, because if she goes up in the finals with me she has more votes.
Vanessa...she'd have more votes than you matter of fact...I don't know I'd have to flip the whole jury. I'm telling you I would try, but I'm telling you she's a favorite
far from the truth here Vanessa here's the thing, with me and Steve, Steve is always taking you over me...(
she's a good manipulator)
Austin...You think?
Vanessa...I have 6 comp wins you have 3 at this point, I have 4 HOH wins, you couldn't even easily hassle it, do you understand that makes me a glaringly hot target. Like it's an easy decision, why would he, he'd even take you over Liz
Austin...for f/4 I just better bow out for my game
Vanessa...I've thought about it for your play bowing out would be better for your game, your going to make the f/3 no matter what, but if you win your going to have to take Liz, and that's low odds for you actually to win, where as with me and Steve higher odds...(tell it like it is higher odds for you f/2 is what you mean)
If you end up with Steve f/2 he's taking you and your winning...
Austin...you think so (****s getting deep)
Vanessa 100% the girls will vote in your favor, and I'm going to make sure the others will for you too, I'm going to be your biggest ally. I'm an Austin fan, I mean strategically...I speak more game with you in here, that's why we like stalemate in chess. If I'm not in the finals against you I'm rooting for you, and I would think you deserve it, Steve it would be rediculous. I would hope that if I'm up against Steve, you would vote the other way...I mean I would guarentee you if your up against Steve.
I'd hold no power if your up against Liz...because Julia is in the jury also, you understand, and it puts me in a really hard spot.
It's for your game, if you bow out of the veto
Austin...I think I just realized it now!
Vanessa...think about how you and I lock up finals every time, very close too, against Steve one of us will win, it will be better for me to win round one, cause Steve will never beat you in round two.
Austin what was round 2 last year??
Vanessa...It's climbing with the orders of Hoh's, Veto's
Austin...Steve's got that...who won it last year
Vanessa...Derrick won 1st, Cody won game 2...it's a big strong man's game, you can climb can't you, I mean (Austin, "yes") it's a huge physical aspect, you'd win, and we'd go to finals, and we'd give each other our word
Austin...I already gave you my word!
Vanessa...I mean like hand on the bible and I'm fine with that...I'd say you know Vanessa you f...ing played a good game with integrity, you got to the finals with the person you gave your word to on the 2nd day f/2.
Austin... it only happened one other time with Dan and Memphis
Vanessa...that wasn't on day 2
Austin...it wasn't?
Vanessa...it was way later...way later, when the renegades was formed...way later
Austin...I thought that was day 2
Vanessa (
back stepping) well if they did it on day 2 maybe it wasn't called the renegades then, that happened later but they might have
We both give each other our word that we take each other over Steve
Austin...absolutely
Vanessa...and if it's Liz I know it will put you in an awkward position , you throw round one, and that at least makes me feel it's somewhat f...ing fair, and I'm still going to have to win the finals, but for me even if I got that deal from Steve or John I wouldn't trust them (
Vanessa no one trusts you!!) and I think I would trust you guys cause you will owe me the reciprocation of this after...all I can have is my actions speak and it has...from your point of view, when Julia picked you in that veto...that biggest paranoia in that moment, is that you questioned me in that moment, I didn't think the veto even mattered to you, I thought for sure you knew it was my vote, I didn't know that you doubted me.
Austin...it wasn't just you I doubted everyone, I wasn't sure what was the plan, I was heated in that moment, but I figured it out.
Vanessa...you did figure it out, there was no plan at all, it was 50% me throwing the girls a bone, their not wanting to be on the block together
Austin...even if I thought, it was a smart plan
Vanessa...it really wasn't smart for myself, and I'll tell you why (she forgot what she was going to say...keeps repeating it was not smart, it was not smart...there's a reason, i cant think of it, cause aah well first of all, it pisses you off every time, there's no way your going to ask Julia why she did that, so first of all big mistake...and I know she's never going to beat you...so I better have pure intentions in this, cause I would be pissing off someone in here that is very scary to piss off. Honestly I thought she knew, the odds...
Austin...it made it more interesting
Vanessa...and with Steve...I wanna know I mean obviously my instincts are that your very close to Steve...honestly I don't understand why you would target Steve when your so close to him. Why wouldn't you want him in f/4 with you instead of Johnny?
Austin...honestly I'm not that close with him, it's more in his mind than mine, I'm generally annoyed by him, and wanted him out a lot of weeks when he was on the block, I was fine with him going. Now it's inconvienent for me to be close with him, now when he's winning HOH's and promising me safety and putting me on the block. The thing is with him in f/4 it would be putting Liz and Vanessa in jeopardy, not thinking about this being better for my game with putting Liz in jeopardy and it's probably better for my game...I was just thinking lets get the bigger targets out and win the Veto, but I will leave it to you to do what you do and maximize the veto this week, and we can figure things out. I'm not as close as he might think I am with him, I don't know how he got that in his head...I would make fun of him to people...Steve would say "your just pretending right?" I'd say "Yea" at first I was just annoyed by him, but after awhile I thought might as well play this up for people and it worked, he made HOH on the DE and put up Jackie. Once we got him in scamper squad I felt good about that...but really didn't trust him, thought he was running around doing something shady with somebody...he was everyone's #1 target, I've always distrusted him, even when he came up with that Johnny Mac **** "you can't put me and Johnny Mac up on the block, you can't do that, you can put one of us up on the block but not both of us! You can put Vanessa and me on the block that's fine...and I'm wondering what the **** is he doing, I thought maybe he was running around with James and Meg to, cause he had something with James, I always thought...and like you I never fully trusted him because he's so awkward. when he's scared he comes up to me, says were cool right?
Vanessa...what do you think of this as my justification Look the only person in this house that hasn't won 1 HOH or 2 is you Johnny, and so I would say this to Steve so obviously putting you up on the block next to him, cause honestly I think even if we get to f/3 you will take Johhny Mac everytime, why would you take me, you would have to be stupid to take me, so I'm never going to believe it no matter how much you say it. Like I wouldn't believe it for Austin to take me over Liz, or Liz to take me over Austin, and therefore I think Johnny would take you over me...therefore it comes down to I have 2 couples in the house and it comes down to who I have a better shot at am better like I'm stronger better at the things I'm good at putting John on the block because he's good at what i'm good at than Liz for instance...because he gets in my way and I get undercut with him in the game...and if it's Liz she's a bigger target with Austin (Austin...and if their in the final 4 someone is breaking them up unless they win it out right explain that to Steve and he'll know I'm on the page with him again, it will make him feel good)
Vanessa...you should tell Steve you are good with you, me and him in the f/3, I'll tell him, then you can confirm it with him. If he feels that he willl be in the f/3 then he'll be good with that and it will be ok. I'm just going to tell him I don't want him to go home this week, but I can't risk him going to the end with someone who hasn't won any HOH's...rehashing...
