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DrRox:
Team collusion goes all the way back to TAR1. It has always been a part of the race. In TAR5, they introduced the Yield and that was the first time that a team(s) could actively hinder/delay another team. In that race, Chip/Kym, Bowling Moms and Brandon/Nicole colluded to yield Colin/Christie. Like it or love it, it is part of the race.   

apskip:

--- Quote from: zacz on November 26, 2012, 03:59:22 AM ---I agree with those who have said that was a really clever and unique way to use a double U-Turn to get rid of a strong team. I doubt there will be anymore double-Uturns in the coming season now that this strategy has emerged. They will have to come up with something else.

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zacz,

You are absolutely right. It's called a single U-Turn and it's been in existence since approximately AR5!

starrynight:
I understand the strategy, but collusion can mean (like here) a weaker team (Chippendales) being used for other teams.  And apparently Trey and Lexy had some kind of problem with Abbie and Ryan so it was more a personal thing, probably the same with the twins. Chippendales actually worked together with Abbie and Ryan before, so for them it was like they were pressured in a group situation (with the other teams) to do it.

Ultimately though even if you consider it a good move for some of the teams is it actually a good move for the audience?  Surely you want the stronger teams in to the end so you can have a more exciting race?  I would want that, it's frustrating to see weaker teams (particularly if not that entertaining) keep in at the expense of more interesting and arguably better ones.  And the production will manipulate things as they want anyway I'm sure.   

apskip:

--- Quote from: Topita on November 26, 2012, 07:15:09 AM ---
Basically they're just still in it because two other teams who seemed more competent racers (the rockers and Abby & Ryan) got eliminated because of bad luck and/or strategy of the other teams. They obviously don't feel like they should be in the race anymore either, judging by how they've been talking about it. :( I like them, don't get me wrong, I just think other teams deserved to be here more than they do at this point.


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The primary reason Ryan and Abbie were eliminated was their trouble in reaching Frankfurt after the 1245pm-arriving-in- Amsterdam flight. If they had gotten it they would have been immune to any U-Turn because they would have a 3 hour 50 minute lead on Josh and Brent. It was only the mess changing planes in Frankfurt which go them eliminated, as the time to do the Organ Grind DETOUR had to be far less than the lead they would have had.

bcp19:
I'm a little confused by the flights out of Moscow, do airlines run different schedules in the summer?  In looking at the site I use in the fantasy games, I found 2 direct flights that leaves at 2155 and gets in at 2240 (KLM and Aeroflot) in Amsterdam at Sheremetyevo.  The first 2 teams should have had plenty of time to make these flighst.  All of these flights would have arrived ahead of the ones they were on as well:

Domodedovo
2310 - 0830 Ukraine Intl Airlines
2310 - 1135 Ukraine Intl Airlines

Sheremetyevo
2155 - 2240 KLM
2155 - 2240 Aeroflot
0645 - 0720 KLM
0645 - 0720 Aeroflot
2345 - 0840 Czech Airlines
2225 - 0855 Air France
2205 - 0950 LOT Polish Airlines
2240 - 1030 El Al Isreal Airlines
2140 - 1055 Air Baltic
2140 - 1105 Alitalia

Vnukovo
2225 - 1040 Turkish Airlines

In addition, the pitstop times seem off.  Using what we know: ~Jun 11.  Chips/Tery & Lexi got to the Classroom before 0800 (HoO).  They then took the test ~12 times (you see them failing #11) If we use 2-5 mins a round that's 24-60 minutes.  20 minutes by taxi to the Movers detour.  Since N&N were arriving as T&L were leaving, and were ~1.5 hours behind, we can ballpark .5-1.0 hours for Movers (Chips & T/L are in much better shape).  20 minutes by taxi to the park, 5-10 mins or so looking for the PS and we have a range from 0920 to 1100 for them to get to the PS yet they leave at 7:32PM... 9-10 hours PS? From the shadows as the twins ran to the pitstop, I was figuring 1030-1130, so 1115 + 10 = 2155 and it works, But from the shadows Abbey and Ryan would have been around 1730 ., so with their 0528 departure, this puts them at 1930 if we use the 10 hours above..  You can still see sunlight hitting the tops of the trees when Josh and Brent arrive, so they got there before 2112 (sunset) and we know them to be almost 3 hours behind (0811 departure).  This causes another snag though... 10 hours would be 2211, almost an hour after sunset.

Thoughts?

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