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TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
theschnauzers:
They had more filming time in season 10 as they were filming 13 legs still/
You've got to look at the timeline of when and where the teams are known to be and how much time needs to be accounted for with a leg 8. It takes more time to film in another country for one leg, than to stay in a country and film for two legs back-to-back, probably with a real short pit stop. It's a question of logistics and production time, and Phil's as well as the teams.
DrRox:
--- Quote from: theschnauzers on September 04, 2012, 11:24:32 PM ---I just don't have the impression that they'd be able to squeeze in travel to another country at that point in the Race. IMHO, it's either a second leg in Russia to fly out through Moscow, or in the Netherlands.
Don't forget they have to be able to get Phil ahead of the teams and an additional country would probably use more time than is likely unaccounted for.
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Teams were seen in front of the Bolshoi Theater at ~10pm on June 8th. They were not seen again till ~10am on June 11th in front of the Amsterdam Central Train Station. That is about 58 hours of missing time. Figure in two 12 hour pit stops and that leaves about 34 hours to run a leg and travel from Moscow to Amsterdam. Of course the pit stops could be shorter, but just using 12 hours as a marker.
1) How did they get to the Amsterdam Central Train station? I am under the impression that they arrived by train, but from where.....Schipol Airport or somewhere else? Schipol is a major hub for Northwest/Delta. This means lots of Americans, especially in June, yet not one word about anyone seeing them there.
2) If they came from somewhere in Holland other than Schipol, where was it? Well some possibliities..northeastern Holland in the Groningen area or southwestern Holland in the Rotterdam/den Hague area, southeastern Holland at Eindhoven. All have international airports with connections to different places in eastern europe. Bremen, Germany has a large airport just to the east of Holland and teams could have transited to locations in eastern Holland from there. This could represent a 2nd leg in Holland, before teams were observed in Amsterdam.
3) Moscow direct to Schipol. There could have been a 2nd leg in the vicinity of Moscow on June 9/10 and then fly directly to Amsterdam and they were just not seen at Schipol on June 11,but later at Amsterdam Central Train station.
4) 34 hours is plenty of time to travel to a 3rd country in central/eastern Europe and run a leg and get to Holland.
Alenaveda:
--- Quote from: DrRox on September 05, 2012, 01:30:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: theschnauzers on September 04, 2012, 11:24:32 PM ---I just don't have the impression that they'd be able to squeeze in travel to another country at that point in the Race. IMHO, it's either a second leg in Russia to fly out through Moscow, or in the Netherlands.
Don't forget they have to be able to get Phil ahead of the teams and an additional country would probably use more time than is likely unaccounted for.
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Teams were seen in front of the Bolshoi Theater at ~10pm on June 8th. They were not seen again till ~10am on June 11th in front of the Amsterdam Central Train Station. That is about 58 hours of missing time. Figure in two 12 hour pit stops and that leaves about 34 hours to run a leg and travel from Moscow to Amsterdam. Of course the pit stops could be shorter, but just using 12 hours as a marker.
1) How did they get to the Amsterdam Central Train station? I am under the impression that they arrived by train, but from where.....Schipol Airport or somewhere else? Schipol is a major hub for Northwest/Delta. This means lots of Americans, especially in June, yet not one word about anyone seeing them there.
2) If they came from somewhere in Holland other than Schipol, where was it? Well some possibliities..northeastern Holland in the Groningen area or southwestern Holland in the Rotterdam/den Hague area, southeastern Holland at Eindhoven. All have international airports with connections to different places in eastern europe. Bremen, Germany has a large airport just to the east of Holland and teams could have transited to locations in eastern Holland from there. This could represent a 2nd leg in Holland, before teams were observed in Amsterdam.
3) Moscow direct to Schipol. There could have been a 2nd leg in the vicinity of Moscow on June 9/10 and then fly directly to Amsterdam and they were just not seen at Schipol on June 11,but later at Amsterdam Central Train station.
4) 34 hours is plenty of time to travel to a 3rd country in central/eastern Europe and run a leg and get to Holland.
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That's an strange coincidence, but Groningen is the same city where the Martinitoren is placed. The Martinitoren is the tower of the RB in TAR15.
Alenaveda:
--- Quote from: DrRox on September 05, 2012, 01:30:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: theschnauzers on September 04, 2012, 11:24:32 PM ---I just don't have the impression that they'd be able to squeeze in travel to another country at that point in the Race. IMHO, it's either a second leg in Russia to fly out through Moscow, or in the Netherlands.
Don't forget they have to be able to get Phil ahead of the teams and an additional country would probably use more time than is likely unaccounted for.
--- End quote ---
Teams were seen in front of the Bolshoi Theater at ~10pm on June 8th. They were not seen again till ~10am on June 11th in front of the Amsterdam Central Train Station. That is about 58 hours of missing time. Figure in two 12 hour pit stops and that leaves about 34 hours to run a leg and travel from Moscow to Amsterdam. Of course the pit stops could be shorter, but just using 12 hours as a marker.
1) How did they get to the Amsterdam Central Train station? I am under the impression that they arrived by train, but from where.....Schipol Airport or somewhere else? Schipol is a major hub for Northwest/Delta. This means lots of Americans, especially in June, yet not one word about anyone seeing them there.
2) If they came from somewhere in Holland other than Schipol, where was it? Well some possibliities..northeastern Holland in the Groningen area or southwestern Holland in the Rotterdam/den Hague area, southeastern Holland at Eindhoven. All have international airports with connections to different places in eastern europe. Bremen, Germany has a large airport just to the east of Holland and teams could have transited to locations in eastern Holland from there. This could represent a 2nd leg in Holland, before teams were observed in Amsterdam.
3) Moscow direct to Schipol. There could have been a 2nd leg in the vicinity of Moscow on June 9/10 and then fly directly to Amsterdam and they were just not seen at Schipol on June 11,but later at Amsterdam Central Train station.
4) 34 hours is plenty of time to travel to a 3rd country in central/eastern Europe and run a leg and get to Holland.
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--- Quote from: Neobie on September 05, 2012, 11:58:55 AM ---Does anyone have timings for the sightings in Amsterdam, especially at Central Station? I managed to snag @SNKRFRK's tweet at 12.29pm local time, but I don't have an Instagram account so I'm not sure if you can get times off the photos.
But if teams were spotted just past noon, it seems like they wouldn't have just got off a plane from Moscow. The direct flights from Moscow to Amsterdam are 0535-0655 and 1045-1215 (actual arrival 1231), meaning the times don't jive with an arrival at Schiphol at 11am-noon. Connecting flights might work, but it means teams were risking very tight connection times (an hour or so) to make it on a flight to Amsterdam.
This opens up the possibility for other places for Leg 8! But neither St Petersburg nor the Baltic states work for these timings. It'd help a lot if we knew exactly when teams were at Central Station!
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Ok, someone has to say it, even if it sounds crazy; but what if we're wrong about the missing leg? We took for granted that it was in Russia or close to it. What if our missing leg is in the Netherlands? Just a spec... :duno:
Alenaveda:
--- Quote from: Alenaveda on September 05, 2012, 06:36:25 PM ---About the non logical choice of the TAR15 RB as a switchback because the answer is already known...
Did anybody remember the number of the pickets teams had to count to complete the Detour of the Leg in Lithuania on TAR12?
Did anybody remember the number of steps of the stone stair teams had to count to complete the Detour of the Leg in Salvador, Brazil, on TAR13?
Did anybody remember the number of statues at the temple teams had to count to complete the RB of the second Leg in Indonesia of TAR19?
Do it with the pressure of the race - the Netherlands are on the second half of the race, so any mistake make a difference -, and we could easily chose it over the other two.
I don't know why, but when I think of this, always this quote pops:
Dan: "They do this one season and one person do it for eight hours"
Sam: "Why on earth would you tell me that right now?"
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