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TAR20 Leg 11: Best showcasing of Japan ever?
topaz:
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--- Quote from: SuperTux on May 09, 2012, 09:09:19 AM ---This is NOT true in East Asia. Browse fora and you'll see Chinese people, Korean people and Japanese people hate each other online. :lol: Sometimes it looks funny to see them attacking each other.
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Well, not only Chinese, Koreans and Japanese people hating each other online about the war issue, the Filipinos as well. Actually, it's a different story though when both China and Philippines are making hate to each other through online when recently the Chinese navies had "invaded illegally" to a Philippine-claimed small island of Scarborough Shoal or also known as Panatag Shoal in my country. And by tomorrow, the Filipino activists will march toward to the Chinese embassy to make a protest about this issue, and it is not related to the horrors of World War 2. And if you could take a look on China right now, that country are a totalitarian and communist state and unlike before, their armed forces are becoming stronger and numerous and their war technology is somewhat modern. And that should be concern about the Asian countries right now like Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, etc.
World War 3 anyone?! :iok
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The following is our perspective in China: that island (Huangyan island in Chinese, or Scarborugh Shoal in English) belongs to China according to the history. China found this island in 1279. Guo Shoujing made some measurement experiments there. No treaty so far claims that that island belongs to Philippine. Actually the map produced by Philippine in 1980's excluded Huangyan island from Philippine's territory.
I laughed when seeing you mentioned that Chinese forces are becoming "stronger" and war technology is modern. :lol: Now netizens here in China are blaming Chinese Army for being cowards. You may see a lot of posts like "Philippine is bullying us. Why don't we fight back? Chinese government and the army are cowards. They suck. We're in another Qing Dynasty blablabla..." )-** Since China has officially proclaimed that it opposes hegemonism in all forms, I don't think China will break the promise unless Philippine doesn't do some control over the circumstances.
China is not totalitarian and, to some extent, not that communist now. :groan: Sometimes we joke that Chinese-style commusism=economic capitalism+politically ambiguous socialism. :lol3: I think presently the policies made by Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao are a little bit leaning towards the right-wing compared with the former leaders. The power of the extreme left-wing led by Bo Xilai recently collapsed in the political conflict. :duno: (See also Wang Lijun's treason case)
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oh? And I do believe that you live in China, SuperTux. Well, in that's the case, I want to watch this video coming from the other part of "China" (that is Taiwan) that shows about the issue on the disputed shoal courtesy of youtube: http://youtu.be/TaNVKC-9zlw
And I hope that video is accessible to your country and didn't blocked or censored by your government. )-**
SuperTux:
--- Quote from: topaz on May 14, 2012, 06:32:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: SuperTux on May 09, 2012, 11:46:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: topaz on May 09, 2012, 10:26:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: SuperTux on May 09, 2012, 09:09:19 AM ---This is NOT true in East Asia. Browse fora and you'll see Chinese people, Korean people and Japanese people hate each other online. :lol: Sometimes it looks funny to see them attacking each other.
--- End quote ---
Well, not only Chinese, Koreans and Japanese people hating each other online about the war issue, the Filipinos as well. Actually, it's a different story though when both China and Philippines are making hate to each other through online when recently the Chinese navies had "invaded illegally" to a Philippine-claimed small island of Scarborough Shoal or also known as Panatag Shoal in my country. And by tomorrow, the Filipino activists will march toward to the Chinese embassy to make a protest about this issue, and it is not related to the horrors of World War 2. And if you could take a look on China right now, that country are a totalitarian and communist state and unlike before, their armed forces are becoming stronger and numerous and their war technology is somewhat modern. And that should be concern about the Asian countries right now like Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, etc.
World War 3 anyone?! :iok
--- End quote ---
The following is our perspective in China: that island (Huangyan island in Chinese, or Scarborugh Shoal in English) belongs to China according to the history. China found this island in 1279. Guo Shoujing made some measurement experiments there. No treaty so far claims that that island belongs to Philippine. Actually the map produced by Philippine in 1980's excluded Huangyan island from Philippine's territory.
I laughed when seeing you mentioned that Chinese forces are becoming "stronger" and war technology is modern. :lol: Now netizens here in China are blaming Chinese Army for being cowards. You may see a lot of posts like "Philippine is bullying us. Why don't we fight back? Chinese government and the army are cowards. They suck. We're in another Qing Dynasty blablabla..." )-** Since China has officially proclaimed that it opposes hegemonism in all forms, I don't think China will break the promise unless Philippine doesn't do some control over the circumstances.
China is not totalitarian and, to some extent, not that communist now. :groan: Sometimes we joke that Chinese-style commusism=economic capitalism+politically ambiguous socialism. :lol3: I think presently the policies made by Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao are a little bit leaning towards the right-wing compared with the former leaders. The power of the extreme left-wing led by Bo Xilai recently collapsed in the political conflict. :duno: (See also Wang Lijun's treason case)
--- End quote ---
oh? And I do believe that you live in China, SuperTux. Well, in that's the case, I want to watch this video coming from the other part of "China" (that is Taiwan) that shows about the issue on the disputed shoal courtesy of youtube: http://youtu.be/TaNVKC-9zlw
And I hope that video is accessible to your country and didn't blocked or censored by your government. )-**
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It's accessible here because I'm using IPV6. I don't know what NMATV is, but I can almost ascertain that it does not represent Taiwan's official opinion.
Officially Taiwan has been silent towards Huangyan Island issue, though President Ma has proclaimed before that South China Sea and the islands in it belong to Republic of China. Actually this happened often because Taiwan is in a dilemma. If Taiwan officially makes an alliance with the mainland in case of protecting the sovereignty over the South China Sea, it means to be directly against America, which would be a great psychological burden for Taiwan; if Taiwan yields to those South East Asian nations, this would mean the loss of territory and sovereignty.
Also it's advisable to notice a fact that it is not that the nation closest to the island has the sovereignty. In the case of Huangyan island, please notice the western border of Philippine is 118°E while Huangyan Island is 117°46′E. This island doesn't belong to Philippine according to a series of treaties including the Treaty of Paris (1898) between the United States, Treaty of Washington (1900) between Spain and the United States,Convention Between the United States and Great Britain (1930), 1935 Constitution of the Philippines, Republic Act No. 3046 "Act to Define the Baselines of the Territorial Sea of the Philippines"(1961), or the 1987 Constitution of the Philippines.
DrRox:
If anyone is interested in the short version of the Manhatten Project, CBS produced a docudrama in 1989 called DAY ONE. It garnered critical acclaime for its historical accuracy, despite being a drama. It also won the Emmy for Best Drama that year. It starred Brian Denehey. It is available from Amazong on DVD.
The site of the first A Bomb test is called Trinity Site. It is in the New Mexico desert, just east of Socorro, NM. It is open to the public, only two days a year. A Saturday in Oct and another Saturday in April. It is still very radioactive. That test was on July 16, 1945, the same day that the U.S.S. Indianapolis left San Francisco for Tinian Island, with "bomb parts" of the "Little Man" bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. The test in New Mexico was a test of the "Fat Man" bomb that was dropped on Nagasaki. Kokura, Japan was the orginal target that day, but clouds obscured the city enough that the secondary target was attacked.
The planners in the Manhatten Project chose 4 Japanese cities for A bomb targets: Hiroshima, Niigata, Kokura and Nagasaki. None of these cities were ever bombed by conventional means. At the time, there were only 3 bombs........one in NM and two in Japan......but a steady arrival of more bombs was slated to start arriving in the Mariannas around Aug 18, 1945.
The bombs were not assembled and shipped. They were only shipped in parts. Final assembly only took place after the bombers actually took off from Tinian Island for the trip to Japan.
kenchan:
Just read this article - interesting insight into Japan's Nuclear Industry... Apparently the inaugural owner of the Yomiuri Giants baseball club and the CIA were involved. Interesting read! http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2012/06/01/japans-nuclear-industry-the-cia-link/
Jobby:
I really liked the Hiroshima tribute and everything, but NO, this leg was not the best Japan leg I've seen. IMO, I thought the TAR 18 Japan leg was even more memorable, with interesting archery task, waterfall and mud Detour.
The leg was first affected by many bunching points. They fly to Hiroshima on the same plane, then they try to take a bus and Brendon and Rachel got left behind, which at first was exciting, then they caught up again at the train station, where now Rachel and Dave were left behind.. and missed the ferry too... to which the teams realized they only get their clue in the morning.
SO. MUCH. DRAMA. FOR. NOTHING. IMO, there should only be one bunching per leg... and it should only happen at the start for the planes, and nothing else.
Then... just when they finished their hiroshima tribute... yet another bunching point for a train to Osaka!
When they reached Osaka, the Roadblock, was something which we have seen in TAR 15 first leg... then was more exciting, where there were more teams and they had to grab a sushi and it was also funny to watch. This leg... the audiences by the side was... bored IMO, and also, the set was really really not well done. And to be truthful, the task was lame. Which part of Japan did it showcase? Their sadistic side? I'll rather they make them go through a Ninja Warrior obstacle course.
Then come the Sushi Bingo and take pictures with Sumo standees task. Erm, I can play Sushi Bingo and do the Sumo pictures task in ANY country in the world too. That was two random and boring task. I would rather, they go to a Sumo school and learn how to fight against a Sumo wrestler.. like get past a Sumo wrestler to receive their clue or something. Or an eating task where they have to finish a Sumo Steamboat Hotpot, which is a REALLY HUGE PORTION and you can see teams gorging and trying to kill themselves with the task.
As for the Sushi Bingo, same with it, it's more fun to get teams to EAT the sushi, for example for every sushi which they do not need, they have to EAT IT or something like that... I don't know.. the Detour and Roadblock this leg just lacked loads of creativity as compared to the TAR 18 leg which I preferred more.
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