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TAR20 Leg 11: Best showcasing of Japan ever?
topaz:
--- Quote from: redskevin88 on May 11, 2012, 05:14:35 AM ---90,000 - 166,000 people died in the bombings of Hiroshima & Nagasaki
100,000 people died in the bombings of Tokyo during WWII
Japan killed 30 million Asians during World War II.
Which is the bigger tragedy?
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The Japanese killed more than the Nazi Germans which they'd killed 6 million Jews, Gypsies, Communists, gays, etc. during the war? That's surprising. :gaah:
DrRox:
--- Quote from: topaz on May 08, 2012, 03:05:11 AM ---
about that being paid respect to the victims of the atom bomb,
But on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it's a different story because some Americans doesn't want to admit that kind of crime[/b/] they'd committed and they have reasons why it should had drop the bomb to that 2 cities as a result to the payback of the Pearl Harbor attack and being an alliance to the Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy during the war.
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1)Japan was a signatory of both the Hague and Geneva Conventions on the conduct of war and treatment of prisioners of war and civilian populations. Yet they did not comply with any of them.
2)The only "victims" of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs were about 40-50 Allied POWs that were in those cities being used as forced labor in factories and approximate 3,000-5,000 Korean civilians that were subjagated and taken to Japan and forced to work in the Japanese war industry. Japan made a choice to wage "unlimited/unconditional warfare" across East Asia. There was really no difference in the actions of either the Japanse military personal or civilian personal.........they all waged war. This is documented by the actions of Japanese civilian populations in the Philipines, the Marianas and in Okinawa when they fought to the death along side the Japanese military personal.
You will have to show me where dropping an atom bomb was a "crime." The War Crimes were/are all listed in the Hague and Geneva conventions. The Germans bombed civilian populations in Poland, England, and the Soviet Union, but not ONE German was charged with this crime. Japan bombed civilian populations in EVERY country they invaded, but not ONE Japanese was ever prosecuted for it. Yet you want to make it a crime for the USA because they did.........you should read a lot more history.
3)Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not revenge for Pearl Harbor. But the Doolittle Raid on Japan was retaliaton for Pearl Harbor. Fifteen planes dropped a total of 60 bombs on Japan in March/April of 1942.......that is a lot of retaliation for Pearl Harbor. There were 16 planes on the raid but one plane had mechanical problems and had to jetison its bombs before reaching Japan. 15 of the planes flew onward to China and most of the crews had to bail out when they ran out of fuel. One plane flew to Russia and the crew was interred. Of the 15 crews that reached China, 13 actually escaped capture and returned to the US. Of the two crews captured, a total of 8 airmen, the Japanese beheaded 4 of them for their "crime." Then the Japanese went on a killing spree, killing about 250,000 of Chinese population in retaliation for helping the American flyers.
Are we seeing a pattern here? It is okay for Japan to act one way, but not for other countries to act the same way, it is a crime........gimme a break!
There is an old saying......."Live by the sword and die by the sword," well that is what happened to Japan.......They chose to fight an unlimited/unconditonal war and they died by an unlimited/unconditional war. Now, if you have never heard of the Marshall Plan, it would be a good time to actuallly do some research on it.
DrRox:
--- Quote from: topaz on May 11, 2012, 06:59:50 AM ---
The Japanese killed more than the Nazi Germans which they'd killed 6 million Jews, Gypsies, Communists, gays, etc. during the war? That's surprising. :gaah:
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You really are unknowledgeable or uninformed about WWII. The Soviet Union had the most war dead of any single country......about 20-25 million total deaths, both military and civilian.
DrRox:
--- Quote from: kenchan on May 10, 2012, 01:23:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: DrRox on May 10, 2012, 12:53:56 AM ---* The TRAGEDY of Japan: Atomic Bomb Dome in Hiroshima
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It's a place where a symbol of the human tragedy of war is preserved to this day.
The one in Nagasaki (http://g.co/maps/v9f9q) embodies peace and hope, while the one in Hiroshima embodies the (dare I say this) terror of war in its raw form. They seem to convey the same hope for peace but from opposite angles, which is also interesting. Thanks for bringing this up.
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That is pretty much the same thing I felt about those memorials. They are very poignant. They reminded me of that famous quote by George Santayana, a Spanish philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist (1863-1952). “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
topaz:
--- Quote from: DrRox on May 11, 2012, 07:05:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: topaz on May 11, 2012, 06:59:50 AM ---
The Japanese killed more than the Nazi Germans which they'd killed 6 million Jews, Gypsies, Communists, gays, etc. during the war? That's surprising. :gaah:
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You really are unknowledgeable or uninformed about WWII. The Soviet Union had the most war dead of any single country......about 20-25 million total deaths, both military and civilian.
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yes, and I'd just saw this info on wikipedia, today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_War_II_Casualties.svg
And after Soviet Union, China was the 2nd place for most death during World War II.
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