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TAR 20: Art Velez and J.J. Carrell *Border Patrol Agents*
eragon:
Looks like I'm the only one here who likes Art & JJ! :lol:
Well, you're gonna see them win TAR20. :hearts: Hopefully.
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--- Quote from: starrynight on April 20, 2012, 06:33:26 AM ---Jonathan and Colin early on were like cartoon characters. Jonathan in particular was simply an annoying, self destructive person who people want off their screens from the start to the end. A bit like Chad and that other guy on TAR 17 but an even more extreme and unrelenting version. The aggression of them was as much on their partner as anyone.
The Guidos I thought were simply funny, and I don't remember them being that nasty about other teams, they pretty much seemed to keep to themselves most of the time. So I don't think they tried to intimidate, or could even be successful at doing that.
Another hate figure on TAR forums for some seems to be Rob and Amber, but again I don't think they were nasty. Maybe they played the game well in deceiving people sometimes, but all of the major players have to lie sometime to get ahead. They had some arrogance but no more than many others.
The deaf guy on TAR 14 was a bit mean as well I thought, and turned a bit aggressive. That was funny as they tried to set him up as a hero at the start. That was more like a passive aggression.
Art and JJ seem to be the first real successful villains I've seen on the seasons I've seen. They seem to not just have egos, or the ability to transfer their faults on others...they actually seem to enjoy being bad. And they also reinforce each others opinions and bad actions. They aren't very discriminating in who they attack either, you have the feeling they despise everyone. Art and JJ seem to have the ability to annoy most people while being still full of confidence themselves. They probably have more arrogance than I have seen from other racers too. And they definitely have had a role and sometimes (but not always) they have been funny in that. Hardly anyone would want them to win though as you want to see the bad guys trip up before the end.
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Everybody gets to state their own viewpoint (or when matters of fact are involved, the facts) on RFF. I have only some common ground with you, starrynight. Here is where I differ:
The Guidos were indeed destructive and nasty and not at all humorous in their efforts to block Emily and Nancy from getting on the plane in Tunis in AR1. I do agree that they were on good behavior throughout AR11.
Rob was indeed malicious in Peru in AR7 when he succeeded in blocking exit from the back door of the bus. On a plane going to Punta Arenas Chile in AR11, Rob intercepted a response from a flight attendant to Uchenna, stole the information and leftt Uchenna without it.
starrynight:
What I mean with Art and JJ is that they are different to others who try and get ahead simply by being devious in the game by taking other people's taxis, telling someone wrong information, trying to get airport staff to keep silent about flights, trying to get doors shut early, trying to delay people. I'm not sure if Art/JJ have done that stuff yet, maybe they have but I forgot. :D It's much more of a direct verbal villainousness, not always directly linked to the game even, almost like it's just for the pleasure of it. This is what for me makes them the first villains that I've seen on the show.
Bluesky:
I'm no fan of Art and J.J. - I find them to be over-the-top competitive and (at times) arrogant. But they are far from villains.
Usually villains don't do things like share prize money with another team, or return another team's lost passports when they might have hidden them, or simply let them stay lost.
From Art and J.J.'s perspective (which I don't totally agree with but think I understand), they only get ornery and nasty towards another team after that team has done something to them first.
Again, I don't totally agree with them, but I think from Art and J.J.'s perspective:
They didn't really get upset with Brendon and Rachel until B&R had followed them one too many times.
They didn't really get upset with Jamie and Nary until J&N looked them straight in the eye and continued to lie to them.
They didn't really get upset with Dave and Rachel until D&R broke their promise to them.
I think they are a bit too rigid about this, but clearly their internal "code of conduct" (we all have one, whether we realize it or not) includes 1) Pull your own weight, 2) Don't lie, and 3) Don't break promises.
And like all of us, they expect others to adhere to their own personal code of conduct, and they get really, really grumpy when that doesn't happen.
But they're not villains.
Declive:
--- Quote from: Bluesky on April 20, 2012, 02:50:52 PM ---I'm no fan of Art and J.J. - I find them to be over-the-top competitive and (at times) arrogant. But they are far from villains.
Usually villains don't do things like share prize money with another team, or return another team's lost passports when they might have hidden them, or simply let them stay lost.
From Art and J.J.'s perspective (which I don't totally agree with but think I understand), they only get ornery and nasty towards another team after that team has done something to them first.
Again, I don't totally agree with them, but I think from Art and J.J.'s perspective:
They didn't really get upset with Brendon and Rachel until B&R had followed them one too many times.
They didn't really get upset with Jamie and Nary until J&N looked them straight in the eye and continued to lie to them.
They didn't really get upset with Dave and Rachel until D&R broke their promise to them.
I think they are a bit too rigid about this, but clearly their internal "code of conduct" (we all have one, whether we realize it or not) includes 1) Pull your own weight, 2) Don't lie, and 3) Don't break promises.
And like all of us, they expect others to adhere to their own personal code of conduct, and they get really, really grumpy when that doesn't happen.
But they're not villains.
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Ditto.
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